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Favoriting February 22, 2021: Annie Jacobsen, author, "First Platoon"

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Tonight: Annie Jacobsen, author, "First Platoon"

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• First Platoon: A Story of Modern War in the Age of Identity Dominance, by Annie Jacobsen

• @AnnieJacobsen (Twitter)

• AnnieJacobsen.com (author site)

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• Techtonic reading list, from listener Cris: a chronological list of the books featured on past shows.

• Re the consequences of mis-identification (unintentional or possibly intentional), here's past guest Jack Poulson commenting (Feb 16) on the recent Palantir Q4 earnings call:



"Palantir in every missile... or drone" - or perhaps both: Palantir controlling a drone with a missile.

• On drones, listen to the Sept 9, 2019 Techtonic: Arthur Holland Michel, author, Eyes in the Sky: The Secret Rise of Gorgon Stare and How It Will Watch Us All.

• On Palantir, listen to the recent Jan 18, 2021 Techtonic with Sarah Brayne, author, Predict and Surveil: Data, Discretion, and the Future of Policing.

• Chris Gilliard, past guest, quoted in OneZero (Feb 16): "Amazon is essentially selling fear... They're selling the idea that a more surveilled society is a safer one."

• See also Chris Gilliard (Feb 16): "When people point out that surveillance, no matter its ostensible use, is inevitably going to be used against Black folks, this is what they mean." The LAPD Asked Ring Owners to Hand Over Footage of BLM Protesters (Gizmodo, Feb 16), which quotes this Intercept piece by Sam Biddle (Feb 16).

• See also the original emails between Amazon Ring and the LAPD, courtesy the EFF: "Ring’s in-house law enforcement liaisons were helping officers use an interface that would allow them to send bulk video requests to specific neighborhoods or broader geographic areas."

• And see also Vice (Aug 5, 2019): Amazon Is Coaching Cops on How to Obtain Surveillance Footage Without a Warrant.

• Below, law-enforcement partnerships with Ring, courtesy that same EFF piece:



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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:00pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives!

The Techgin is poured, and from the look of today's topic, we're gonna need it!

I might be cooking during parts of the show, but I will be listening. Who could ear-look away?!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtontenants!
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listener james from westwood:

How do, Mark and all!
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Lay it on me, Mark!
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melinda:

hola techtons
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Doug in JC:

Oops, I poured tech cider. Hope that's ok. I had a fancy mushroom dinner and it seems appropriate to follow
  6:02pm
TIGER:

Hello World!
  6:02pm
David in London:

Hello Technoids! Greetings Mark.
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Carmichael:

Heya Mark and tech heads.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

ultradamno, James, Tim, Melinda, Doug, David, Carmichael, good to see you, Techpals!

Doug, what kind of cider?
  6:04pm
David in London:

Handy, ultradamno, Tim, Doug, Melinda, Carmichael. Hello groovesome folk.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
ultradamno:

In other tech failures, Daft Punk have broken up. They are programmed for an insincere, disappointing reunion tour cash grab in seven years, though.

Hiya Handy, DiL!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Handy Haversack:

(Or I guess what cider OS are you on?)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Hey DiL!
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Doug in JC:

Doc's. something something small batch. Great place to visit if you get a chance!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
DjLorraine:

Hi Mark, Olivia, Scott and Annie Jacobson
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Warm greetings one and all!
  6:05pm
Davefrom Brooklyn:

Thanks Mark for all you bring to our table. Last weeks authors book was fantastic
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Rich in Washington:

It's a crucial stage of a modern band's revenue stream, ultradamno - the 'break-up'.
  6:06pm
Roland from Australia:

Hello from Rainbow Beach, Australia, one never knows what’s on the menu, but I think FB have stepped over the line agains all Australians and I suspect this Austaliann news ban this will go down as a tipping point in FB’s well deserved future. I learned from this show, that FB negotiate discuss and embrace and then at the last minute pull away from the negociation with an aggressive slap and well planned attack and here we have it right in front of us but at a Continental scale.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
sbw:

Hi, Mark and everybody, from Venice, California!
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Doug in JC:

Also, hello everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining in!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark, all!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

GutenNoches
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
-Ken:

oooh I just realized I read Annie's Area 51 book.. Hi everybody. Drinking Techquila, myself
  6:07pm
David in London:

Daft Punk won’t be playing at my house.
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Claire from Montclair:

Hi all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

@Ken this story is definitely one to enjoy a favorite beverage with...
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Doug in JC:

@David Everyone has their price...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
-Ken:

Spoiler! Spoiler! Reveal what it is!
  6:08pm
headcleaner:

@roland - goes to show that we're probably all better off just ditching FB altogether
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melinda:

Ready for informative and shocking!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
ultradamno:

Hiya Rich, it is all part of the trajectory
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HyperDose:

Uh oh, we have chicken pox...again.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:11pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark and bio-units.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Changed @ the speed of ScienceFiction.'
Oh - this thing I'm feeling is that Future Shock I used to hear about...
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
herb.nyc:

And tv crime shows can biometric-ize us. Like yesterday's "the equalizer" (dumb show, I can't turn away)
  6:12pm
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is there a way on wfmu to post anonymous comments with tor browser
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melinda:

@Ken I'd like to check out her Area 51 book. I read another book about Area 51 but disappointed as it was sort of geared towards aircraft nerds, which I am not.
  6:12pm
Cris:

Ello
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Handy Haversack:

Though "panopticon" means that we modify our behavior to conform because of the idea of being observed -- actual observation is not necessary if we all assume all of this is being observed. I wonder when we'll hit that point -- or if we already have.

tl;dr: Don't take the coffee the cop offers you!
  6:13pm
David in London:

When the inevitable scandal emerges about the misuse of gait-related biometric data, will it be Gaitgate?

I’ll get my coat...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:14pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Oh I’ll be Glistening alright! Putting 51% of the responsibility for listening on the receiver.

Jesus! War is the enemy of all common people everywhere! Horrible horrible war.

Panopticon concept coined by Foucault
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melinda:

@David in London hehe
  6:14pm
yip:

biometrics sounds greek to me
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

War is the Opposite of Civilization.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm
PaulRobeson1920:

The lessons from the Vietnam war are as fresh and poignant today as 50 years ago... Horrible horrible war.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
ultradamno:

Let Canada have the biometric system, I'm sticking to good old bioinches.
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tim from champaign (now washington):

@David - That's a step too far.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

War is Foggy, is what I have heard...
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PaulRobeson1920:

19 teen years old was average age of the American solider in Vietnam. WWII average age was 26
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melinda:

holy shit
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Mark Hurst:

@melinda it gets worse
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Bas NL:

Follow the money.
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herb.nyc:

Our constitution protects us from casual collection of our biometrics? Those lousy terrorists have no constitutional rights, however, sez Bill Barr (I think)
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Uncle Michael:

I'm going to have to listen to this on the archive.
  6:20pm
Ed:

I wonder if the DOD is getting biometric data from Google's FIT band Data?
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chris in the redwoods:

nininininineteen. nineteen. (thanks Hardcastle)
also timid greetings Mark and folks. this whole subject turns my stomach (defense spending *and* dystopian present).
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full_english_breakfast:

should i be a shit-stirrer or a chillionaire today
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

We're Bringing the War Back Home
...nothing new there...
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herb.nyc:

Next week, Abbi Jacobsen of Broad City, plz.
  6:22pm
Robby:

I am really not shocked or surprised by this. Don’t know what special information I have, but I kind of assumed that this was long happening.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Bill of Digital Rights slips an ocean even further away - hohum...
  6:24pm
Cris:

31,587,910 People was viable for the gov
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
ultradamno:

...and Disenchantment, she'd have to plug her current project.
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Fredericks:

This predictive policing is exactly what's happening in Pasco County Florida.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:25pm
DjLorraine:

DaveinLondon, Gaitgate hehe
  6:25pm
david:

i think in the west is even worse since we have google and facebook following us everywhere through our phones. and many people are now giving them access to their living rooms through alexa and whatnot. we don't need soldiers scanning us house by house, we blindly give them all this data
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Fredericks:

projects.tampabay.com...
  6:25pm
headcleaner:

@mark: this unnamed president = Obama?
  6:27pm
Dano:

Both important and scary.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
chris in the redwoods:

going for a walk, but will catch the remainder in the archives. thanks, Mark.
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herb.nyc:

"Throw a bowl of spaghetti at the wall" our guest says. I say "watch the movie The Odd Couple w Lemon and Matthau”.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
Megaroni:

This author is so brave and I am grateful to you Techtonic to be hearing it on your show rather than YouTube!
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HyperDose:

War is totally bunk, man.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm
PaulRobeson1920:

A sense of Tribe. Sebastian Junger
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Folsom:

@herb.nyc "Now it's garbage!
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Fredericks:

This part reminds of what I heard people saying about Trayvon Martin after he was shot. It's criminalizing the victims of violence after the fact.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

What Malcolm X said about the power of a Medium to brand the Oppressor & the Oppressed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:37pm
full_english_breakfast:

what does Annie Jacobsen think about the JFK assassination?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1920:

A loving society is our goal. To bring about a loving society and create not merely “peace in our time” but peace in all time. For all men and women. We are not helpless before this task or hopeless of its success...

But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just. We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success. Confident and unafraid, we labor on--not toward a strategy of annihilation but toward a strategy of peace.
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Fredericks:

Yes, Rev.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
ultradamno:

There was a nice montage of media people declaring they went to Harvard on John Oliver last night (off the graphic)
  6:40pm
David in London:

Gorgon Stare. Ye Gods. The clue’s in the name.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:41pm
PaulRobeson1920:

95% of the worlds Poppy is grown in Afghanistan (2010)
  6:41pm
Spence in Baltimore:

Actually, the surveillance plane in Baltimore was grounded. Thanks to the new mayor, the contract was ended.
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TDK60:

Hi Mark, and thanks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1920:

One of main principals of journalism is follow the money? Right
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:45pm
PaulRobeson1920:

“War Is A Racket”

The Vietnam war 1954-1975 Cruel horrible war. Why? Why!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:45pm
ultradamno:

@DiL there are loopholes to that stare issue though, it seems twitter.com...
  6:46pm
Ed:

The whole episode recalls most of the music Jello Biafra wrote with the Dead Kennedys, Like "I am the Owl" or almost all of his spoken word albums.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:46pm
coelacanth∅:

i'm pretty sure most trump/bush supporters would say a few innocent afganis getting killed is a small price to pay for "our" "safety"
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Palantir sounds like the tech Blackwater.
  6:49pm
headcleaner:

coelacanth∅ - so would obama/biden/clinton, but with a lot more obfuscation. (No, I'm not saying they're equivalent to trump/bush. But we're far from out of the woods, as far as this stuff goes)
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Ike:

@David@6:25, oh, the Chinese govt. definitely has its own versions of all of our social networks: www.dw.com...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Problem w/ War politically is the Republican Party beats its chest as Patriotic Nationalists - & escalating Military Spending &tc.
...then the Democratic Party 'has to' show it is 'Patriotic' too by being Militaristic. Military spending in the USA is the largest thing the human race has ever engaged in. Is this for Peace?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

News of the Future™: "North Korean hackers successfully tapped the Palantir database."
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HyperDose:

That's it, I'm getting a typewriter
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Megaroni:

Greedazon is thee most evil ever! Please continue to call them out Mark!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

& as a Tolkien fan - resent the lift of the word 'Palantir' - when a distinct Tolkien theme was the evil of military-industrial technology against humanity... Also ironic - as the Palantiri enabled people to perceive things @ a distance - & often as not screwed up their judgment &/or morale by doing so...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:53pm
PaulRobeson1920:

“Handsome Johnny with a rifle In his hand and here comes the guided missile...”

we will live together as brothers or perish together as fools.

I choose brotherhood. <3
  6:54pm
Cris:

Selling insurance policies
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Also from Vice: John Deere not implementing right-to-repair policies that they promised. www.vice.com...
  6:54pm
Cris:

Without any insurance
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tim from champaign (now washington):

This is not very eloquent nor original but Amazon sucks major ass.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1920:

A loving society is a worthy goal. Good for one and good for all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark, Annie!
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Handy Haversack:

A great and necessary show tonight, Mark! Thanks so much.

Hey, Tech pals, we're all wearing masks. Carry paint along, and if you happen to notice an Amazon Ring, well ... nature abhors an identity vacuum.
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HyperDose:

Vice's tech coverage is great. I miss the Cyberwar show. Riveting television.
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melinda:

@tim it does
  6:56pm
wendy del formaggio:

Your show is a mitzvah, Mark Hurst!
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listener james from westwood:

Many thanks, Mark!
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melinda:

Thanks Mark!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Has been observed that you keep your Police & your Military separate because - one protects the People - & the there defends against Enemies - & if you bring them together - the People become the Enemy.
This has been catastrophic enuff w/ guns & standard soldier equipment
- but here is the tale of A.I. involved in the same...
  6:57pm
headcleaner:

we miss you daniel!
  6:57pm
Roland from Australia:

Loved the show, thanks
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listener james from westwood:

hah, I was telling someone over the weekend who'd ask me WTF was going on in Australia that I'd have a better sense of it after listening to this show! Looking forward to the scoop next week!
  6:57pm
David in London:

Thanks Mark.
Bedtime for me, night all.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, appreciate your comments tonight.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

* the OTHER defends...
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Mark Hurst:

@DiL good night and may you dream of many puns.
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HyperDose:

Take care David
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks, Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
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