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Favoriting April 5, 2021: Tim Harford, author, "The Data Detective"

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Tonight: Tim Harford, author, "The Data Detective"

Links:

The Data Detective: Ten Easy Rules to Make Sense of Statistics, by Tim Harford (published in the UK as How to Make the World Add Up: Ten Rules for Thinking Differently About Numbers)

timharford.com, Tim's official website

Cautionary Tales, Tim's podcast

Interview of Tim Harford, on Numberphile, about the statistics of storks and babies

Other links

• From Hannah Ritchie, recommended books on statistics, including Tim's book

The Decisions We Made: Looking back at what made The COVID Tracking Project work (by Erin Kissane, March 31, 2021): "A lot of our research and context work was about trying to find out what the numbers states published actually represented."

Google Is Testing Its Controversial New Ad Targeting Tech in Millions of Browsers (EFF, March 30, 2021): "A switch has silently been flipped in millions of instances of Google Chrome: those browsers will begin sorting their users into groups based on behavior, then sharing group labels with third-party trackers and advertisers around the web. . . . FLoC is a terrible idea. Google's launch of this trial - without notice to the individuals who will be part of the test, much less their consent - is a concrete breach of user trust in service of a technology that should not exist."

533 million Facebook users' phone numbers and personal data have been leaked online (Business Insider, April 3, 2021). And from Axios today: "A leaker said Saturday they were making public personal information on 533 million Facebook users, including phone numbers, locations, birth dates and other data. ... The leak includes data from 32 million users in the U.S., 11 million users in the U.K., and 6 million users in India. The leaked data contains phone numbers, Facebook IDs, full names, locations, birth dates, bios and email addresses. It does not contain password information."

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtomshoes!
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:01pm
headcleaner:

yeah math!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Detechtonitecives!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives!

Techgin is poured! I'm ready!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Ike:

Magic is just incomprehensibly advanced mathematics.
Avatar 6:05pm
Rolando:

Yay ... it's Rainy in Australia and I'm ready for the Techtonic show. Let it loose Mark !!
  6:05pm
headcleaner:

your pics are on the money, Mark
  6:05pm
David in London:

Evening Technoids! Hi Mark.
Ah, the esteemed Tim, good.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

I hope They Might Be Giants is listening tonight and immediately rejiggers and releases "(She Was a) Data Detective."

Evening, David!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and data points.
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Handy Haversack:

Congrats, Mark! Had my second one this very morning in the bright Brooklyn day!
  6:06pm
JBoogie:

It's not a vaccine. do your research, people
  6:07pm
(another) Patrick in Hoboken:

The relief of having been vaccinated, and the difference it makes to your life, is underestimated I think
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Bas NL:

Our national database for vaccination was hacked. Not kidding.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
melinda:

Hi Mark and everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry:

I know something about the glut of Clinical Trial data.
  6:07pm
David in London:

Handy, ultradamno, Bas, Ken et al.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Bas NL:

Hi DiL!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

That is basically the conversation Kate and I had every time she quoted the latest stats from Gothamist to me.

Ave, Bas!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all! Thanks for joining in!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Bas NL:

Hi Handy!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, David in Londata!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

@headcleaner thanks - had fun putting together the images for this show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

@Ken and Bas in the Netherlandata
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Webhamster Henry:

I like how the name is less clickbait-y in the UK edition.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

and @Handata Haversack
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
nathan:

I've been reading "The Wake" by Paul Kingsnorth after hearing his interview on here. Really cool stuff! I was surprised by how quickly I acclimated to the pseudo-Old-English
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Carmichael:

Heya Mark and citizens.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

Oh, DiL, that book I mentioned to you some months ago, Better Data Visualizations, should be available now, if you're still interested.

Hey, ultradamnata!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Hwy Mark and everyone! I enjoyed the statistics classes I took in college. They were social service/sociology focused classes.I actually still use some of what I learned in sussing out information that presented.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm a promoter of the Mode and Median (and n-iles) as the stats to present rather than the mean.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@nathan glad to hear it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
melinda:

Interesting story.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ed F. Sleestak:

It's toasted!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Bas NL:

'Lies, damned lies, and statistics.'
  6:16pm
David in London:

But ironically, it was Richard Doll’s use of statistics that really proved the link between smoking and cancer.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
ultradamno:

Hey Handy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

@DiL Tim starts his book with the whole case study about how that link was finally established
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

You'll be shocked to learn in this amazing satire, written by Bill Dana ("José Jimenez"), that smoking was seen as cancerous in the late 50's and even then, the tobacco companies were trying to spin their way out of trouble. listen. All dialog in period ad-speak! www.echo.net...
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Jeff Moore:

Okay, that's a really solid nerd joke up top.

Also: LeVar Burton for "Jeopardy!" Host!
  6:17pm
headcleaner:

here's that book - http://cup.columbia.edu/book/better-data-visualizations/9780231193115
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Handy Haversack:

Is Russel Crowe in that case study? I think it's easier to believe things when Russel Crowe says so.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jeff next week: irrational humor
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Jeff Moore:

@Mark H:

<rimshot>
  6:20pm
David in London:

Thanks Handy. I’ll take a look at that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Webhamster Henry:

Sharing grows that social network that they use to feed the beast.
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Rolando:

The truth is sometimes as plain and simple as it first appears to be .... at other times it's the complete opposite. (I'll take that as my own).
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Handy Haversack:

Well, the word "home" in regular America means you're being manipulated by finance and banking, so you can't say Silicon Valley didn't learn from the best.
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northguineahills:

I like my life uncertain, it's a blessing and a curse...
  6:24pm
David in London:

Damnit, I have to just say that (as a Brit) having Mark H and Tim H together is just my absolute dream team.
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Mark Hurst:

@DiL too kind, sir
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Handy Haversack:

David's a Brit?!?
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Jackie:

Loved this recent paper on the seduction of clarity: philpapers.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Webhamster Henry:

Flu trends got botted.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Social media trolls at it again, bothering female Egyptian sea captain Marwa Elselehdar. They're trying to pin blame on her for the Suez Canal problem while she was in Alexandria at the time.
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ultradamno:

If you click on the timeline thing on Twitter while set to chronological, it says "go back home"
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Rolando:

I have been hanging around Micro.Blog a lot more, and staying away from Twitter ... Good one @Handy Haversack - they truly have learned from the best and make you feel like your social tag and followers are akin to property and real estate.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Handy Haversack:

We don't yet know that alchemical gold *won't* grant eternal life. John of Rupecissa is only one data point!
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tim from champaign (now washington):

I'm digging this bed music.
  6:30pm
Dave Miss:

Good interview Mark.
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Mark Hurst:

@Jackie thanks for that link! I will take a look.
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ultradamno:

And sometimes it just throws you back to home without prompting, much like You Tube likes to reverse no autoplay settings
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Mark Hurst:

@Tim thanks
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Mark Hurst:

@Dave Miss thanks
  6:30pm
Fragonard:

This is a GREAT interview. Very insightful
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northguineahills:

@Ken: I saw that! bloody buggerrs biased against females yet again,,,,
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Mark Hurst:

@Fragonard thank you!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
ultradamno:

Anyone else lose the feed for a minute?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Webhamster Henry:

We really old programmers remember when software was not shared - it was rare enough to even sell it. Every company had its own computer department maintaining their own business systems. The programmers then were alchemical in Tim's sense.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Eki:

Thanks for that note about US/UK titles for this book. I’ve added an appropriate note for this at Very Large Audiobook Co. Hopefully RH doesn’t get irritable about it.
  6:34pm
GC in transit:

Has Sarah Brayne been a guest on the show yet?

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/predict-and-surveil-9780190684099?cc=us&lang=en&
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Handy Haversack:

GC: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Webhamster Henry:

I used to say: a computer report doesn't have a signature; its conclusions, reached in an opaque manner, then become an undeniable basis for (bad) business decisions.
  6:39pm
David in London:

As a data and analytics bod by trade, I whole heartedly endorse that: analysing data and communicating the end results of that analysis are two waaaay different things / skill sets.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

@DiL I appreciate your dataviz for Techtonic last summer!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Hello Mark! Hello friends! Mark, as usual, I'm loving this show.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

Lousy data set: unemployment statistics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

@Wendy thanks for joining! And thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry:

Viagra subsidizes lots of other drugs, it's so profitable.
  6:42pm
David in London:

Analysing that Viagra data set, why were they making it so hard?

Thanks Mark. Always at your disposal.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
ultradamno:

I see what you did there.
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melinda:

@DiL hahaha
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Handy Haversack:

Hey, Wendy!

Related to this, I find there are a lot of people who cite how "the vaccine" can't be "safe" because normal development times are years long -- without looking at the fact that that timeframe is a construct of what is valued and funded just as much as the accelerated timeframe of these products.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry:

That' a whole other program for you , Mark, : those godawful surveys.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham I agree
  6:44pm
Cris Lom:

Pie charts get user too hungry
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Handy yes - developing drugs kind of starts with "is there a market for this?"
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Mark Hurst:

@Cris ha
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Bas NL:

Once received a call from a company: 'Our computer told me to call you.' Why? 'I'm not sure..' Tell your computer thanks for calling, bye.
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northguineahills:

The dangers of infomatics....(something I do).
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Handy Haversack:

Bas, you should have asked to speak with the computer!
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melinda:

@Handy the more accurate claim would be that any mid to long term hazards are unknowable at this stage
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Handy Haversack:

Hell yeah, Tim! Roll for initiative!
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mace:

Hey!! DnD is my job! Sometimes we use discord too
  6:47pm
David in London:

Nightingale’s visualisations are truly awesome. She used them to show the high command that more soldiers were dying in poor field hospitals than in actual combat. Seriously cutting edge work they were.
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mace:

Nat 20s all day
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listener james from westwood:

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by an algorithm.
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Handy Haversack:

Yeah, mace!
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Bas NL:

Ha, ha! Should have thought of that Handy! He kept calling on a monthly basis for half a year!
  6:47pm
Listener Robert:

You found an outstanding person to interview there, thanks!
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mace:

Very informative
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Webhamster Henry:

More great visualizations, c/o former WFMU DJ Donna Summer (Jason Forrest) are by W.E.B. Dubois. www.newyorker.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark Hurst: best theatrical sarcasm voice in radio! "Emergent!"
  6:50pm
Fragonard:

I’m changing my name to Al Gorithm
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WR:

No time for something like D&D. Barely can keep up with WFMU programs and attendant playlist comments.
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northguineahills:

if I had a nickel for every time I worked in gov't and made a decision based on our analysis....(it was an analysis, not a truth (that's what QA/QC and ground truthing is for)).
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mace:

bummer, it's like gaming therapy
  6:52pm
Fragonard:

@WR that’s how it should be! Go WUFMOO
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

We went from "hopefully twice a month" to every damn week over Zoom and Discord pretty much on pandemic week one.

D&D-wise, you gutterminds!
  6:53pm
Cris Lom:

It's like quantum physics... data is portrayed relative to a goal/end-point, some goals are quiet obscure
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Bas NL:

The statistics lean heavily towards you leaving Twitter, Mark.
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ultradamno:

Doxfest 2021
  6:54pm
headcleaner:

I'm so glad the only FB account I ever had was a total fake, front to back
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Handy Haversack:

Great episode, Mark -- really good interview.

Great to be here with you all: you're tonic yourselves!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Ike:

Can’t find Tweetdeck on iOS. Fellow Twitter addicts, is Twitterific any good for de-algorithmic-izing your timeline on an iPhone? Anyone tried it? I’m going to check it out.
  6:55pm
David in London:

Such a great show today Mark, I could easily have listened to another two hours of it.

OK, night all. See ya later, saved your data!
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Rolando:

You're a wise man headcleaner - wish I could say the same.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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melinda:

Great show Mark, thanks!
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tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks, Mark. I enjoyed the slight variation of the them today with exploring data analysis. Always enlightening and interesting.

I'm not so sure about Station Manager Ken's live broadcast of a head transplant next week.
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Ike:

On the rare occasion that I use FB anymore, I try to remember to often claim that I am a lumberjack.
  6:57pm
lpfnrobin:

Great show TY
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Feldpausch:

Thanks Mark and Tim!
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Handy Haversack:

Other good ideas for getting off bad stuff available here: goodreports.com

!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

-'Say goodbye, Data!' -'Goodbye data.'
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

A WFMU DVD premium a few years ago included Youtube videos of the Russian dog head transplant , so Ken is an expert.
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northguineahills:

Thanks Mark and Tim.

I use Zillow for GIS purposes.....
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

Well, more books and podcasts to busy myself with. Thanks!
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ultradamno:

That Robin Hood is a thing after the entire run of Silicon Valley (with it's Pied Piper software) is funny...
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northguineahills:

If it existed in 2003, my MA thesis computer model would have been so much easier...
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WR:

Thank you Mark for another great program.
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listener james from westwood:

And Dr. Schillace's show should be a treat! The FMU record fair projected that Russian transplant film on the wall one year.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Great comments tonight. See you in two weeks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Handy Haversack:

Have a nice break, Mark! But if SV wins while you're away ...
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