WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from June 9, 2013

Listener comments!
	♥ 9:03pm Dave Mandl: Evening, friends.
	9:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: DAVE!
	9:04pm doca: hello dave m., i'm glad to be able to hear your show afrter some weeks i couldn't.
	9:04pm bloopy: Greetings Dave HAL-9000 voice
	♥ 9:05pm Dave Mandl: @doca: Welcome back.
	♥ 9:05pm davex: Good evening, Dave and all!
	9:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's Good to be here, Man(dl). ...I'll tak HAL Dave-isms over endless Cheech&Chong...
	♥ 9:06pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, RevRab, bloopy, davex
	9:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: takE ...I can feel my mind going...
	9:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: bad news(?): no more wine good news: this Mac I was given rips CDs real fast!; even w/ my big file mp4ish settings... - Jazz!: The skills of Classical people - a lotta the dynamix of Rawk or Blooz : - Try It!: It cannot hurt yoo...
	9:25pm Droll: Is microtonal music worth stopping cooking, washing hands, and going into other room to comment? Yes.
	♥ 9:26pm G: I hear the world of echoes in this one.
	♥ 9:26pm Dave Mandl: Personally, I've never cooked. But I'd say definitely yes.
	9:41pm Droll: That 2%, is that measured in time, or track counts?
	♥ 9:43pm Dave Mandl: Hmmm...good question. Time, I guess. This is only 5 1/2 minutes, so I think I'm OK.
	♥ 9:43pm Dave Mandl: Acid Mothers Temple next. I think I'm OK calling them not-RnR.
	♥ 9:48pm G: Maybe? -- If it wouldn't pass a Beavis and Butthead approval test, it is not plain vanilla RnR
	9:48pm fleep: Melting Paraiso is great on top of ravioli. If you cook.
	♥ 9:49pm G: "this is some weird shit, Beav" doesn't pass that metric :)
	9:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - an' ifyer gonna be pedantic - I gotta jump in every week & make a distinction 'twixt Rock'n'Roll & Rock...
	9:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: '73YugoslavFuzzMonster Vs. Godzilla!
	♥ 9:58pm Dave Mandl: I want to see that film.
	9:59pm Colm: now there's some dance music!
	10:00pm fleep: What a time saver
	10:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...this needs a NumbersStation to really be complete...do I hear the Buckinghams in there?...
	♥ 10:01pm Dave Mandl: Too complicated for me. But the ELP was enough.
	10:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...sit you down father, rest you...a serviceable villain...everybodys got one...#9...
	10:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ☆
	♥ 10:03pm Dave Mandl: I wish I'd been on the air when John Lennon turned on that radio.
	♥ 10:03pm Dave Mandl: I'd be really really famous now.
	♥ 10:05pm Dave Mandl: For those of you who didn't get the obscure reference...RR quoted King Lear, from the radio broadcast that got included in I Am the Walrus.
	♥ 10:08pm G: some of us were sick enough to know that :p :p
	♥ 10:09pm Dave Mandl: I'd be surprised if you didn't. We've got some seriously knowledgeable listeners.
	10:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the obscure Beatles, from the obscure 20th Century, from the obscscure planet Earth... - G will give us the entire Shakespearean context...
	♥ 10:12pm Dave Mandl: That's the band Yoko Ono used to be in, right?
	10:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - sort of, AvantGuardians. Track was in fact more like 'Two Virgins' than 'Walrus'...
	♥ 10:16pm G: @RR63: my rep is already bad enough, i should demur :p
	10:21pm dk: lord, rhys chatham + oneida. that's going to be a hell of a show. i think i gave myself chronic tinnitus just imagining it.
	♥ 10:22pm Dave Mandl: Right, you want to be selling earplugs at that show. You'll make a fortune.
	10:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - relation of Sunny Murray to Sun Ra? Last Poets?
	♥ 10:32pm Dave Mandl: He's best known as the drummer in Albert Ayler's band.
	♥ 10:33pm Dave Mandl: I don't know of any connection to Sun Ra or Last Poets, but it's possible.
	10:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Ta. ...Think I read somewhere Hendrix recorded w/ the Last Poets very late for him...
	10:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - just reminded me of Last Poets...
	♥ 10:36pm Dave Mandl: It's possible about Hendrix. Every year it seems another set of tapes surfaces. I don't know how he did it.
	♥ 10:37pm Dave Mandl: Murray's playing with Ayler is fantastic. Completely original, like Ayler's playing.
	10:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Hendrix had 3&1/2 years (as a famous person)! - Buddy Holly died @ 22.
	♥ 10:39pm pacific standard simon: Jimi Hendrix with The Last Poets www.me.umn.edu... It's probably down there in the FMU vinyl library.
	10:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cheers! That's it.
	10:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it's been noted that the backwards drums on 'Are You Experienced?' are quite prescient of HipHop 'scratching'...
	10:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& the scratchy percussive sounds on guitar too, in fact...
	♥ 10:54pm pacific standard simon: Holy smoke, I love this record!
	♥ 10:57pm Dave Mandl: @pss: The Winkies? That was just reissued.
	♥ 10:58pm Dave Mandl: Best known for the cover, probably.
	♥ 10:59pm pacific standard simon: Yep. I bought it from an import bin in '76, and hoarded it through all the Winkies-less digital years.
	♥ 11:02pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's not a record you see very often. I was surprised to see the reissue. But glad it's available.
	♥ 11:05pm pacific standard simon: I edited the "Mailman" section out of the Dylan cover and used it for an all-cover-version mix CD of Highway 61!
	11:07pm Droll: I noticed they've stopped making computers with CD/DVD drives in them. I wonder how much longer before the typical home has no CD/DVD player at all. I can't imagine people having nostalgia for CD and supporting the format for another decade.
	11:09pm bloopy: i like the sound when dave stacks the cds.. :)
	11:09pm Droll: A picture of the members of the band? Freudian slip?
	♥ 11:10pm pacific standard simon: Droll, what are you talking about? My brand new Dell and Acer both have DVD drives.
	♥ 11:11pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: Haha. Yes, true.
	♥ 11:11pm G: pic of the band's members
	♥ 11:13pm Dave Mandl: www.gettyimages.com...
	♥ 11:13pm G: i have a march 2013 laptop that came with a dvd drive, not an extra. eventually i suppose they will go the way of the floppy disk drive of the 90s. not quite yet...
	11:13pm Droll: PSS, No tablet or phone has one, and very few laptops do. The trend is very clear.
	♥ 11:15pm pacific standard simon: The Winkies definitely had a gay-ish slant to them ("Twilight Masquerade"); the cover may have been the designer's interpretation of that. I think it sabotaged the record. Also don't think the band "members" posed for it.
	11:15pm Droll: G, When CD goes obsolete, the only record stores left will just sell records. How poetic!
	11:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I've heard about what Droll's talking about... - Saw the Charlie Haden Quartet give a free show - & he recalled how in the OrnetteColeman days they put 'Free Jazz' on the marquee - & people lined up expecting not to have to pay... - Compare that cover to 'Sticky Fingers' by Warhol...
	♥ 11:17pm G: an older relative got a virus and asked me for help. she said no CDs in stores said you could load from the CD -- you needed net access. but the virus was preventing net access, so i had to download antivirus to another comp, and get it on the infected comp with a flash drive. what good did her CD drive do her? none.
	♥ 11:17pm pacific standard simon: But that cover was conservative compared to its contemporary, Roxy Music's Country Life, which was covered up, but sold anyway.
	♥ 11:21pm pacific standard simon: Tablets and phones don't have room for a CD drive and have never had them. I haven't seen a laptop that didn't have a CD drive -- my Acer certainly has one.
	11:21pm Droll: Software is moving towards the subscription model, which makes users totally dependent on vendors. As you note, you already need a working computer to fix a computer now... The software treadmill and defective bloatware have been around for about a decade... It's all too depressing to even consider.
	11:23pm Droll: PSS, Apple stopped putting DVD drives on Macs laptops over a year ago.
	11:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - reminds me of discussing new Liberace flick on latest Irwin's comments: Irwin thot it well done but a Gay OD (my words) for a hetero - I commented that I felt (a little) the same about 'Velvet Goldmine' about 70's GlitterRock by Todd Haynes. My hangup - thot it (VG) really good anyhow...
	♥ 11:24pm pacific standard simon: Well, there you go... right into the Mac Vs. the rest of the world war.
	11:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - &/or Mac leading (by force?)...
	11:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - digital-optical is perhaps not ideal for mechanical reasons (skipping CDs anyone?)...They want us on their Cloud though, yeah...
	11:31pm Droll: Apple is a Red Herring. CD/DVD, and physical media in general, is rapidly losing ground to streaming and download. It's more convenient for consumers and easier for IP owners to control. Modern computer form factors don't even have peripherals for physical media. CD/DVD is not coming back.
	♥ 11:33pm pacific standard simon: I don't doubt that CDs/DVDs will eventually be displaced by another recording medium (solid state, probably); I was objecting to this premature statement by Droll: "I noticed they've stopped making computers with CD/DVD drives in them."
	♥ 11:34pm YETI BOB: Droll: All currently made computers have USB ports & USB peripherals are readily available and cheap.
	11:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - when Music 1st went Digital - it was my 1st thot that why not have a big library somewhere & just go 'pay per view' (listen)? It's the obvious thing to do. - Yeah - there are USB ports to plug a CD drive into - but I heard it too that computers - some computers - Macs I do believe - were already being made w/out drives built-in standard.
	11:36pm Droll: I agree "Stopped" was too strong, however tablets are used as computers and are replacing the "traditional" computer market, and none of those devices have CD/DVD built-in. Yes, there will be peripherals for a long time, but as far as building it in as standard equipment, that's not on the roadmap.
	♥ 11:40pm 12539: I say, Put the "Big Library" in Jersey City, NJ, and make the 'pay per listen' a voluntary donation. I think it might work.
	11:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 12539: FMU now does take up the better part of my listening time! - W/ staggering accessibility - Listening Time becomes what it's All About. - & what I really hope is that it swings over to Sound Quality as a priority: The 20th Century was about bigger & bigger sound - than Digital hit, & it got more & more Compressed - exactly the Opposite thing! - to make small files & go over the Net. So as storage & bandwidth get 'easier' - I hope we go from MP3ish to MP4ish (CD quality), or even better...
	♥ 11:46pm pacific standard simon: Could be, 12539... could be... I'll say this, though: There's no way I would have gotten sucked into the WFMU vortex as deeply as I have if I hadn't been able to burn shows onto CDs and play them at work on a MP3-enabled CD boombox.
	♥ 11:48pm YETI BOB: when i was a kid i'd record WFMU onto C-90 cassettes and listen to them on a sony walkman while i was mowing lawns. those were the days. (and i wish i hadn't gotten rid of all those cassettes!)
	11:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeti: Analog FMU!
	11:50pm Droll: PSS, You burn CDs of WFMU shows?! I will not question your dedication to the CD format again.
	11:56pm trish: Remember the cd markeing lie? "They'll never break. They'll never skip." Reviews had teens whipping them around like frisbees.
	♥ 11:56pm G: never drink the koolaid.
	11:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & the 16-bit sampling rate was almost arbitrary ...(as you know) all the early Mastering pure crap...
	♥ 11:58pm 12539: Thanks, Dave.
	11:59pm Droll: If you put one in a microwave that's quite a spectacle -- they're not so tough. See you next week, DM.
	♥ 11:59pm pacific standard simon: Rockin' Dave M.
	♥ 12:00am Dave Mandl: Hey, thanks, all. Have a great week. See you next Sunday.
	12:00am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they made gagillion$, then kept the price @ $17, sold all the record companies to MultiNational Lawyers, & wondered why they didn't sell any CDs/Music!!...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from June 9, 2013

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June 9, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Musette	Concon Anne "Concon Anne" by "Musette"	Drape Me In Velvet	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Claudia Quintet	Keramag "Keramag" by "The Claudia Quintet"	Royal Toast	0:04:07 (Pop-up)
Jemeel Moondoc & William Parker with Hamid Drake	Blues for Katie, Part 1	New World Pygmies Vol. 2	0:12:18 (Pop-up)
Duane Pitre	Comprovisation for Justly Tuned Ukelin No. 1	V/A: The Harmonic Series	0:18:09 (Pop-up)

V-Effect	Master/Slave "Master/Slave" by "V-Effect"	Stop Those Songs	0:31:18 (Pop-up)
Fire	Could You Understand Me "Could You Understand Me" by "Fire"	Could You Understand Me	0:34:11 (Pop-up)
Deep Purple	Maybe I'm a Leo "Maybe I'm a Leo" by "Deep Purple"	Machine Head	0:37:56 (Pop-up)
Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso UFO	Born Free Stone Free	In Search of the Lost Divine Arc	0:43:31 (Pop-up)

Egnekn	Bonus Track Super Re-Mix of Greatest Hits	8 Track Magic	0:55:27 (Pop-up)
Art Fleury	Fabbrica Rosa "Fabbrica Rosa" by "Art Fleury"	I Luoghi del Potere	1:01:52 (Pop-up)
Alloy Orchestra	Factory "Factory" by "Alloy Orchestra"	Lonesome	1:06:30 (Pop-up)
Avey Tare & Panda Bear	Essplode "Essplode" by "Avey Tare & Panda Bear"	Danse Manatee	1:10:36 (Pop-up)

Invert	Machine "Machine" by "Invert"	Invert	1:18:35 (Pop-up)
Sunny Murray	An Even Break (Never Give a Sucker)	An Even Break (Never Give a Sucker)	1:21:16 (Pop-up)
Suicide	Diamonds, Fur Coat, Champagne	Second Album	1:29:39 (Pop-up)
Akron/Family	No-Room "No-Room" by "Akron/Family"	Sub Verses	1:32:30 (Pop-up)
Prinzhorn Dance School	Hamworthy Sports and Leisure Center	Prinzhorn Dance School	1:39:39 (Pop-up)

Jad & David Fair	The Abominable Snowman	Monster Songs for Children	1:47:42 (Pop-up)
The Winkies	Mailman - It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry	The Winkies	1:50:27 (Pop-up)
The Gist	Love at First Sight "Love at First Sight" by "The Gist"	Embrace the Herd	1:55:21 (Pop-up)
Nalle	Nothing Gold Can Stay "Nothing Gold Can Stay" by "Nalle"	The Siren's Wave	1:59:02 (Pop-up)

Mostly Other People Do the Killing	Biggertown	This Is Our Moosic	2:09:42 (Pop-up)
Zoot Sims	Maria Ninguém "Maria Ninguém" by "Zoot Sims"	João Gilberto: The Hits of João Gilberto	2:15:58 (Pop-up)
The Hi-Lo's	I Don't Want to Cry Anymore	Listen!	2:16:58 (Pop-up)
Shelley Faberes	Johnny Loves Me "Johnny Loves Me" by "Shelley Faberes"	The Best of Shelley Fabares	2:20:17 (Pop-up)
Kuupuu	Valonhalu "Valonhalu" by "Kuupuu"	Sous Juju	2:22:27 (Pop-up)

Morphogenesis	Solarisation Bridge	Charivari Music	2:31:16 (Pop-up)
Intelligence	Spellers and Counters	Boredom and Terror	2:37:09 (Pop-up)
Fad Gadget	Back to Nature "Back to Nature" by "Fad Gadget"	Best of	2:39:29 (Pop-up)
Pan-American	Relay "Relay" by "Pan-American"	Cloud Room, Glass Room	2:44:55 (Pop-up)

Anomonous	[Track 3] "[Track 3]" by "Anomonous"	Anomonous	2:55:23 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 9:03pm Dave Mandl: Evening, friends.
	9:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: DAVE!
	9:04pm doca: hello dave m., i'm glad to be able to hear your show afrter some weeks i couldn't.
	9:04pm bloopy: Greetings Dave HAL-9000 voice
	♥ 9:05pm Dave Mandl: @doca: Welcome back.
	♥ 9:05pm davex: Good evening, Dave and all!
	9:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's Good to be here, Man(dl). ...I'll tak HAL Dave-isms over endless Cheech&Chong...
	♥ 9:06pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, RevRab, bloopy, davex
	9:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: takE ...I can feel my mind going...
	9:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: bad news(?): no more wine good news: this Mac I was given rips CDs real fast!; even w/ my big file mp4ish settings... - Jazz!: The skills of Classical people - a lotta the dynamix of Rawk or Blooz : - Try It!: It cannot hurt yoo...
	9:25pm Droll: Is microtonal music worth stopping cooking, washing hands, and going into other room to comment? Yes.
	♥ 9:26pm G: I hear the world of echoes in this one.
	♥ 9:26pm Dave Mandl: Personally, I've never cooked. But I'd say definitely yes.
	9:41pm Droll: That 2%, is that measured in time, or track counts?
	♥ 9:43pm Dave Mandl: Hmmm...good question. Time, I guess. This is only 5 1/2 minutes, so I think I'm OK.
	♥ 9:43pm Dave Mandl: Acid Mothers Temple next. I think I'm OK calling them not-RnR.
	♥ 9:48pm G: Maybe? -- If it wouldn't pass a Beavis and Butthead approval test, it is not plain vanilla RnR
	9:48pm fleep: Melting Paraiso is great on top of ravioli. If you cook.
	♥ 9:49pm G: "this is some weird shit, Beav" doesn't pass that metric :)
	9:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - an' ifyer gonna be pedantic - I gotta jump in every week & make a distinction 'twixt Rock'n'Roll & Rock...
	9:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: '73YugoslavFuzzMonster Vs. Godzilla!
	♥ 9:58pm Dave Mandl: I want to see that film.
	9:59pm Colm: now there's some dance music!
	10:00pm fleep: What a time saver
	10:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...this needs a NumbersStation to really be complete...do I hear the Buckinghams in there?...
	♥ 10:01pm Dave Mandl: Too complicated for me. But the ELP was enough.
	10:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...sit you down father, rest you...a serviceable villain...everybodys got one...#9...
	10:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ☆
	♥ 10:03pm Dave Mandl: I wish I'd been on the air when John Lennon turned on that radio.
	♥ 10:03pm Dave Mandl: I'd be really really famous now.
	♥ 10:05pm Dave Mandl: For those of you who didn't get the obscure reference...RR quoted King Lear, from the radio broadcast that got included in I Am the Walrus.
	♥ 10:08pm G: some of us were sick enough to know that :p :p
	♥ 10:09pm Dave Mandl: I'd be surprised if you didn't. We've got some seriously knowledgeable listeners.
	10:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the obscure Beatles, from the obscure 20th Century, from the obscscure planet Earth... - G will give us the entire Shakespearean context...
	♥ 10:12pm Dave Mandl: That's the band Yoko Ono used to be in, right?
	10:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - sort of, AvantGuardians. Track was in fact more like 'Two Virgins' than 'Walrus'...
	♥ 10:16pm G: @RR63: my rep is already bad enough, i should demur :p
	10:21pm dk: lord, rhys chatham + oneida. that's going to be a hell of a show. i think i gave myself chronic tinnitus just imagining it.
	♥ 10:22pm Dave Mandl: Right, you want to be selling earplugs at that show. You'll make a fortune.
	10:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - relation of Sunny Murray to Sun Ra? Last Poets?
	♥ 10:32pm Dave Mandl: He's best known as the drummer in Albert Ayler's band.
	♥ 10:33pm Dave Mandl: I don't know of any connection to Sun Ra or Last Poets, but it's possible.
	10:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Ta. ...Think I read somewhere Hendrix recorded w/ the Last Poets very late for him...
	10:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - just reminded me of Last Poets...
	♥ 10:36pm Dave Mandl: It's possible about Hendrix. Every year it seems another set of tapes surfaces. I don't know how he did it.
	♥ 10:37pm Dave Mandl: Murray's playing with Ayler is fantastic. Completely original, like Ayler's playing.
	10:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Hendrix had 3&1/2 years (as a famous person)! - Buddy Holly died @ 22.
	♥ 10:39pm pacific standard simon: Jimi Hendrix with The Last Poets www.me.umn.edu... It's probably down there in the FMU vinyl library.
	10:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cheers! That's it.
	10:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it's been noted that the backwards drums on 'Are You Experienced?' are quite prescient of HipHop 'scratching'...
	10:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& the scratchy percussive sounds on guitar too, in fact...
	♥ 10:54pm pacific standard simon: Holy smoke, I love this record!
	♥ 10:57pm Dave Mandl: @pss: The Winkies? That was just reissued.
	♥ 10:58pm Dave Mandl: Best known for the cover, probably.
	♥ 10:59pm pacific standard simon: Yep. I bought it from an import bin in '76, and hoarded it through all the Winkies-less digital years.
	♥ 11:02pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's not a record you see very often. I was surprised to see the reissue. But glad it's available.
	♥ 11:05pm pacific standard simon: I edited the "Mailman" section out of the Dylan cover and used it for an all-cover-version mix CD of Highway 61!
	11:07pm Droll: I noticed they've stopped making computers with CD/DVD drives in them. I wonder how much longer before the typical home has no CD/DVD player at all. I can't imagine people having nostalgia for CD and supporting the format for another decade.
	11:09pm bloopy: i like the sound when dave stacks the cds.. :)
	11:09pm Droll: A picture of the members of the band? Freudian slip?
	♥ 11:10pm pacific standard simon: Droll, what are you talking about? My brand new Dell and Acer both have DVD drives.
	♥ 11:11pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: Haha. Yes, true.
	♥ 11:11pm G: pic of the band's members
	♥ 11:13pm Dave Mandl: www.gettyimages.com...
	♥ 11:13pm G: i have a march 2013 laptop that came with a dvd drive, not an extra. eventually i suppose they will go the way of the floppy disk drive of the 90s. not quite yet...
	11:13pm Droll: PSS, No tablet or phone has one, and very few laptops do. The trend is very clear.
	♥ 11:15pm pacific standard simon: The Winkies definitely had a gay-ish slant to them ("Twilight Masquerade"); the cover may have been the designer's interpretation of that. I think it sabotaged the record. Also don't think the band "members" posed for it.
	11:15pm Droll: G, When CD goes obsolete, the only record stores left will just sell records. How poetic!
	11:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I've heard about what Droll's talking about... - Saw the Charlie Haden Quartet give a free show - & he recalled how in the OrnetteColeman days they put 'Free Jazz' on the marquee - & people lined up expecting not to have to pay... - Compare that cover to 'Sticky Fingers' by Warhol...
	♥ 11:17pm G: an older relative got a virus and asked me for help. she said no CDs in stores said you could load from the CD -- you needed net access. but the virus was preventing net access, so i had to download antivirus to another comp, and get it on the infected comp with a flash drive. what good did her CD drive do her? none.
	♥ 11:17pm pacific standard simon: But that cover was conservative compared to its contemporary, Roxy Music's Country Life, which was covered up, but sold anyway.
	♥ 11:21pm pacific standard simon: Tablets and phones don't have room for a CD drive and have never had them. I haven't seen a laptop that didn't have a CD drive -- my Acer certainly has one.
	11:21pm Droll: Software is moving towards the subscription model, which makes users totally dependent on vendors. As you note, you already need a working computer to fix a computer now... The software treadmill and defective bloatware have been around for about a decade... It's all too depressing to even consider.
	11:23pm Droll: PSS, Apple stopped putting DVD drives on Macs laptops over a year ago.
	11:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - reminds me of discussing new Liberace flick on latest Irwin's comments: Irwin thot it well done but a Gay OD (my words) for a hetero - I commented that I felt (a little) the same about 'Velvet Goldmine' about 70's GlitterRock by Todd Haynes. My hangup - thot it (VG) really good anyhow...
	♥ 11:24pm pacific standard simon: Well, there you go... right into the Mac Vs. the rest of the world war.
	11:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - &/or Mac leading (by force?)...
	11:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - digital-optical is perhaps not ideal for mechanical reasons (skipping CDs anyone?)...They want us on their Cloud though, yeah...
	11:31pm Droll: Apple is a Red Herring. CD/DVD, and physical media in general, is rapidly losing ground to streaming and download. It's more convenient for consumers and easier for IP owners to control. Modern computer form factors don't even have peripherals for physical media. CD/DVD is not coming back.
	♥ 11:33pm pacific standard simon: I don't doubt that CDs/DVDs will eventually be displaced by another recording medium (solid state, probably); I was objecting to this premature statement by Droll: "I noticed they've stopped making computers with CD/DVD drives in them."
	♥ 11:34pm YETI BOB: Droll: All currently made computers have USB ports & USB peripherals are readily available and cheap.
	11:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - when Music 1st went Digital - it was my 1st thot that why not have a big library somewhere & just go 'pay per view' (listen)? It's the obvious thing to do. - Yeah - there are USB ports to plug a CD drive into - but I heard it too that computers - some computers - Macs I do believe - were already being made w/out drives built-in standard.
	11:36pm Droll: I agree "Stopped" was too strong, however tablets are used as computers and are replacing the "traditional" computer market, and none of those devices have CD/DVD built-in. Yes, there will be peripherals for a long time, but as far as building it in as standard equipment, that's not on the roadmap.
	♥ 11:40pm 12539: I say, Put the "Big Library" in Jersey City, NJ, and make the 'pay per listen' a voluntary donation. I think it might work.
	11:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 12539: FMU now does take up the better part of my listening time! - W/ staggering accessibility - Listening Time becomes what it's All About. - & what I really hope is that it swings over to Sound Quality as a priority: The 20th Century was about bigger & bigger sound - than Digital hit, & it got more & more Compressed - exactly the Opposite thing! - to make small files & go over the Net. So as storage & bandwidth get 'easier' - I hope we go from MP3ish to MP4ish (CD quality), or even better...
	♥ 11:46pm pacific standard simon: Could be, 12539... could be... I'll say this, though: There's no way I would have gotten sucked into the WFMU vortex as deeply as I have if I hadn't been able to burn shows onto CDs and play them at work on a MP3-enabled CD boombox.
	♥ 11:48pm YETI BOB: when i was a kid i'd record WFMU onto C-90 cassettes and listen to them on a sony walkman while i was mowing lawns. those were the days. (and i wish i hadn't gotten rid of all those cassettes!)
	11:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeti: Analog FMU!
	11:50pm Droll: PSS, You burn CDs of WFMU shows?! I will not question your dedication to the CD format again.
	11:56pm trish: Remember the cd markeing lie? "They'll never break. They'll never skip." Reviews had teens whipping them around like frisbees.
	♥ 11:56pm G: never drink the koolaid.
	11:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & the 16-bit sampling rate was almost arbitrary ...(as you know) all the early Mastering pure crap...
	♥ 11:58pm 12539: Thanks, Dave.
	11:59pm Droll: If you put one in a microwave that's quite a spectacle -- they're not so tough. See you next week, DM.
	♥ 11:59pm pacific standard simon: Rockin' Dave M.
	♥ 12:00am Dave Mandl: Hey, thanks, all. Have a great week. See you next Sunday.
	12:00am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they made gagillion$, then kept the price @ $17, sold all the record companies to MultiNational Lawyers, & wondered why they didn't sell any CDs/Music!!...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from June 9, 2013

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