WFMU: Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from December 21, 2016

Listener comments!
	🥁 ♥ 2:03pm doctorjazz: Hi, David and Ruth (and Ridgewooders out there)
	♥ 2:09pm weinstein: Doctor, greetings to you and all.
	♥ 2:13pm weinstein: I mistyped my playlist. This first track is LiButti and Khilko!
	♥ 2:28pm fred: Good afternoon David and listeners, including the one doctor I'm not fed up with seeing
	🥁 ♥ 2:41pm doctorjazz: Hey Fred! How are you feeling? Always nice to see you posting here!
	♥ 2:43pm weinstein: Sympathetic with Fred and looking for 2017 to be a doctor-free year along with some other freedoms.
	♥ 2:50pm fred: @doctorjazz: Most pains are now mere aches, so there's welcome progress. How was Sister Act?
	🥁 ♥ 2:52pm doctorjazz: As a totally unprejudiced, unbiased dad of one of the ensemble performers, I thought it was GREAT! Went twice this past weekend, sure we'll catch more before the run ends.
	♥ 2:54pm fred: I have a strong feeling that these sets were better experienced live than on crappy PC speakers. No surprise in a show referencing Phill Niblock
	♥ 3:01pm weinstein: Headphones might help some. Good stereo stuff. But this is a conversation worth having. How effective can experimental sound be on radio in the age of MP3s and mobile phone speakers?
	♥ 3:09pm fred: My short answer is that the live experience is hard to translate for such immersive music. But after a month cut off from music, I'd say something still beats nothing My left ear is almost useless except through bones, so headphones are not a great option for me.
	🥁 ♥ 3:13pm doctorjazz: most small speakers won't cut this stuff, but it's better than not hearing it at all. Live is best, but getting hard to get out a lot as I get older. (House concert in Philly 2 weeks ago, Nels Cline/Gerald Cleaver/Larry Ochs) was great! I have a recording of it, not the same as having been there (and it's the same performance!).
	♥ 3:13pm weinstein: Understood. Radio can do something fabulous. The live show is not going to be replaced. We can have both.
	3:15pm Dean: "Something still beats nothing" is a salutary perspective, for sure. The conversation need not be exclusive to experimental sound, though. Same goes for a recital of Debussy on piano, Bach on harpsichord, or works performed by large ensembles or orchestras. The criterion of effectiveness is fidelity. That's a loaded term: fidelity to what? Measured according to which factors? This is why I recognize that quite often my experience is that it's not a matter of the enjoyment of music per se. It's a matter of the enjoyment of playing records or listening to recordings of music.
	♥ 3:18pm fred: Maybe radio can't convert someone who has never heard this kind of music. But it's worth trying, and weirdos like me can try to fill in the blanks. I'm sure I missed a lot, but I'm now very much interested in seeing Hisayasu Takashio, Kelvin Daly and Project Kandata
	🥁 ♥ 3:20pm doctorjazz: @Dean, you're venturing into dangerous audiophile territory, fidelity to what indeed. I agree listening to recorded music and to a concert are different experiences, and can be enjoyed on their own terms, though.
	♥ 3:22pm weinstein: Which brings us to another quaking subject. I learned nearly everything (at least early on) from DJs who introduced me to new music. And almost nothing from "genius" algorithms or targeted playlists.
	♥ 3:25pm fred: Music can get personal quickly for me. I usually walk a lot -- and really fast -- often coming back from shows at night. Even with earbuds and my hearing limitations, music is essential, but some things work better than others for me in these situations. I grab these moments and enjoy. It's not fidelity at all, but I'm not going to apologize
	🥁 ♥ 3:33pm doctorjazz: listen a lot to my phone walking the dog, or a portable music player and can enjoy it a lot. And, love listening to big speakers when I have time to settle and just listen. It's all good...(started listening to music using a Sony 3 inch long transistor radio in the late 60's, and got hooked).
	♥ 3:34pm fred: Automated playlists are a joke. The research lab where I work has people trying their hand at that, and the best worldwide are far away from getting interesting results. For WFMU listeners, at least As I often say about the station, I listen to like what I hear, not to hear what I like
	🥁 ♥ 3:39pm doctorjazz: If I only get fed stuff I know or similar to what I already know, I get bored pretty quickly. FMU does work to get my ears open to stuff I haven't heard yet, which I love.
	♥ 3:41pm fred: I started walking to music in the late 70's, with a smallish tape recorder (like 3 times the size of cassette, a walkman was a luxury item then) in a custom, holster-like bag my mother had made for me
	♥ 3:42pm weinstein: 90% of the country is living in both a political and sonic echo chamber. Fred's "to like what I hear" philosophy is a tiny key to saving the universe.
	3:44pm Dean: @doctorjazz, I know well the risk. Put it this way: I subscribed for about a year during the '80s (maybe early '90s) to Absolute Sound and Stereophile. During that year I'm convinced I read everything that could possibly be written about the fidelity of audio equipment. (Same goes for wine via Wine Spectator. One year sated me for life.) Yet the disputes continue, over and over and over again. WFMU is definitely a source of revelation, as was Fanfare magazine when I read it regularly to select classical and new material for the library where I worked. The enthusiasm of the knowledgeable reviewers (like that of WFMU DJs and friends who pay attention to music) is catching.
	3:45pm malinki kahuna mele: fantastic music..it all sounds great to me, I am listening through real speakers...
	3:49pm Dean: Another example of radio as a vehicle for shared enthusiasm: I used to stay with a friend in Fairfield, CT, right around the Memorial Day weekend. On the holiday a local station traditionally played a Frank Zappa tribute show. I've never been a big Zappa fan, but I loved the annual heaping portion of his music.
	🥁 ♥ 3:51pm doctorjazz: Really enjoying the Roulette that's on now.
	♥ 3:52pm fred: Then there's sheer randomness. I found out about Godspeed You Black Emperor while looking for Juliana Hatfield records (not that far alphabetically) and liking the cover. I took a chance on that record, went to a show, and that's how I first heard about Instants Chavirés. The rest is personal history.
	♥ 3:54pm weinstein: Thanks to all. I really like the spirit and thoughtfulness and generosity here. I'll vote for paying attention, real speakers, Zappa, and randomness every time.
	♥ 3:55pm fred: Another act of Bob: I found WFMU leafing through a French TV guide in a dentist's waiting room. I don't even have a TV. No idea how the link got there
	3:57pm malinki kahuna mele: you sir have impeccable taste. I have really enjoyed every set in this show. listening for around 2months now and perusing your archived shows as well. and Praise "Bob"
	♥ 3:57pm fred: The laser show is hard to convey in a radio show, but I hope I'll hear Ikue Mori again soon
	♥ 4:01pm weinstein: Blushing and chuckling.
	🥁 ♥ 4:03pm doctorjazz: Great stuff, catch you next week..
	4:03pm Dean: Not exactly random, but I remember my introduction to Yes c.1973. I spied a Close to the Edge 8-track in the back seat of a neighbor's VW. I would have been 14-ish; he had probably graduated from high school. He let me borrow the tape, which I played on my parents' crappy turntable/radio/8-track unit. I had to own the album, so I purchased a copy (at K Mart, perhaps?) and shared it with friends my age. That was our introduction to progressive rock. Hasn't flagged much since.
	♥ 4:07pm weinstein: And now your good taste is codified as Yes goes into the Rock and Roll Thing of Fame. But maybe let's save that hot discussion for the future... best to you all what is ahead!
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Doug Schulkind: Greetings from Confluence, PA. About 100 feet from the swift waters of the Youghiogheny (aka "the Yock") River.
	4:08pm Scraps: thank god, i almost missed honda ibarra & mori
	4:08pm Dean: ISWYDT. "But maybe..."

Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from December 21, 2016

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December 21, 2016: Time Sculptors

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Artist	Track	Album	Comments
Time Sculptors with special nod to Phill Niblock
	a song
Phill Niblock	Live Set "Live Set" by "Phill Niblock"	Work Series curated by David Watson	Sound behind DJ: Pre-recorded multi-tracks by Niblock with live musicians David Watson, David First, and Tom Chiu.
Chris LiButti & Ivan Khilko	Live Set	Work Series curated by David Watson	Feedback system for guitar and bass with metal rods on strings recorded 10/26/16 at The Sump.
Gen Ken Montgomery & Chris Penalosa	Live Set	Work Series/Zaimph Record Release hosted by David Watson and Marcia Bassett	Circuits, gadgets, transducers, stones, pet toys recorded live at The Sump 11/30/16.
Hisayasu Takashio with Kelvin Daly & Project Kandata	Live Set	23 Windows 2016 Fall Salon	Live sculpture ritual with sounds via contact microphones; Kelvin Daly, handmade string instrument; Project Kandata, synthesizers recorded by Dok Gregory at 23 Windows 11/5/16.
Yuka C. Honda, Susie Ibarra, Ikue Mori	Live Set	Roulette Festival of Mixology	Synths, samples, drums, percussion, laptop and lots of electronics (and a laser light show!) recorded at Roulette 2/20/16.

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Listener comments!
	🥁 ♥ 2:03pm doctorjazz: Hi, David and Ruth (and Ridgewooders out there)
	♥ 2:09pm weinstein: Doctor, greetings to you and all.
	♥ 2:13pm weinstein: I mistyped my playlist. This first track is LiButti and Khilko!
	♥ 2:28pm fred: Good afternoon David and listeners, including the one doctor I'm not fed up with seeing
	🥁 ♥ 2:41pm doctorjazz: Hey Fred! How are you feeling? Always nice to see you posting here!
	♥ 2:43pm weinstein: Sympathetic with Fred and looking for 2017 to be a doctor-free year along with some other freedoms.
	♥ 2:50pm fred: @doctorjazz: Most pains are now mere aches, so there's welcome progress. How was Sister Act?
	🥁 ♥ 2:52pm doctorjazz: As a totally unprejudiced, unbiased dad of one of the ensemble performers, I thought it was GREAT! Went twice this past weekend, sure we'll catch more before the run ends.
	♥ 2:54pm fred: I have a strong feeling that these sets were better experienced live than on crappy PC speakers. No surprise in a show referencing Phill Niblock
	♥ 3:01pm weinstein: Headphones might help some. Good stereo stuff. But this is a conversation worth having. How effective can experimental sound be on radio in the age of MP3s and mobile phone speakers?
	♥ 3:09pm fred: My short answer is that the live experience is hard to translate for such immersive music. But after a month cut off from music, I'd say something still beats nothing My left ear is almost useless except through bones, so headphones are not a great option for me.
	🥁 ♥ 3:13pm doctorjazz: most small speakers won't cut this stuff, but it's better than not hearing it at all. Live is best, but getting hard to get out a lot as I get older. (House concert in Philly 2 weeks ago, Nels Cline/Gerald Cleaver/Larry Ochs) was great! I have a recording of it, not the same as having been there (and it's the same performance!).
	♥ 3:13pm weinstein: Understood. Radio can do something fabulous. The live show is not going to be replaced. We can have both.
	3:15pm Dean: "Something still beats nothing" is a salutary perspective, for sure. The conversation need not be exclusive to experimental sound, though. Same goes for a recital of Debussy on piano, Bach on harpsichord, or works performed by large ensembles or orchestras. The criterion of effectiveness is fidelity. That's a loaded term: fidelity to what? Measured according to which factors? This is why I recognize that quite often my experience is that it's not a matter of the enjoyment of music per se. It's a matter of the enjoyment of playing records or listening to recordings of music.
	♥ 3:18pm fred: Maybe radio can't convert someone who has never heard this kind of music. But it's worth trying, and weirdos like me can try to fill in the blanks. I'm sure I missed a lot, but I'm now very much interested in seeing Hisayasu Takashio, Kelvin Daly and Project Kandata
	🥁 ♥ 3:20pm doctorjazz: @Dean, you're venturing into dangerous audiophile territory, fidelity to what indeed. I agree listening to recorded music and to a concert are different experiences, and can be enjoyed on their own terms, though.
	♥ 3:22pm weinstein: Which brings us to another quaking subject. I learned nearly everything (at least early on) from DJs who introduced me to new music. And almost nothing from "genius" algorithms or targeted playlists.
	♥ 3:25pm fred: Music can get personal quickly for me. I usually walk a lot -- and really fast -- often coming back from shows at night. Even with earbuds and my hearing limitations, music is essential, but some things work better than others for me in these situations. I grab these moments and enjoy. It's not fidelity at all, but I'm not going to apologize
	🥁 ♥ 3:33pm doctorjazz: listen a lot to my phone walking the dog, or a portable music player and can enjoy it a lot. And, love listening to big speakers when I have time to settle and just listen. It's all good...(started listening to music using a Sony 3 inch long transistor radio in the late 60's, and got hooked).
	♥ 3:34pm fred: Automated playlists are a joke. The research lab where I work has people trying their hand at that, and the best worldwide are far away from getting interesting results. For WFMU listeners, at least As I often say about the station, I listen to like what I hear, not to hear what I like
	🥁 ♥ 3:39pm doctorjazz: If I only get fed stuff I know or similar to what I already know, I get bored pretty quickly. FMU does work to get my ears open to stuff I haven't heard yet, which I love.
	♥ 3:41pm fred: I started walking to music in the late 70's, with a smallish tape recorder (like 3 times the size of cassette, a walkman was a luxury item then) in a custom, holster-like bag my mother had made for me
	♥ 3:42pm weinstein: 90% of the country is living in both a political and sonic echo chamber. Fred's "to like what I hear" philosophy is a tiny key to saving the universe.
	3:44pm Dean: @doctorjazz, I know well the risk. Put it this way: I subscribed for about a year during the '80s (maybe early '90s) to Absolute Sound and Stereophile. During that year I'm convinced I read everything that could possibly be written about the fidelity of audio equipment. (Same goes for wine via Wine Spectator. One year sated me for life.) Yet the disputes continue, over and over and over again. WFMU is definitely a source of revelation, as was Fanfare magazine when I read it regularly to select classical and new material for the library where I worked. The enthusiasm of the knowledgeable reviewers (like that of WFMU DJs and friends who pay attention to music) is catching.
	3:45pm malinki kahuna mele: fantastic music..it all sounds great to me, I am listening through real speakers...
	3:49pm Dean: Another example of radio as a vehicle for shared enthusiasm: I used to stay with a friend in Fairfield, CT, right around the Memorial Day weekend. On the holiday a local station traditionally played a Frank Zappa tribute show. I've never been a big Zappa fan, but I loved the annual heaping portion of his music.
	🥁 ♥ 3:51pm doctorjazz: Really enjoying the Roulette that's on now.
	♥ 3:52pm fred: Then there's sheer randomness. I found out about Godspeed You Black Emperor while looking for Juliana Hatfield records (not that far alphabetically) and liking the cover. I took a chance on that record, went to a show, and that's how I first heard about Instants Chavirés. The rest is personal history.
	♥ 3:54pm weinstein: Thanks to all. I really like the spirit and thoughtfulness and generosity here. I'll vote for paying attention, real speakers, Zappa, and randomness every time.
	♥ 3:55pm fred: Another act of Bob: I found WFMU leafing through a French TV guide in a dentist's waiting room. I don't even have a TV. No idea how the link got there
	3:57pm malinki kahuna mele: you sir have impeccable taste. I have really enjoyed every set in this show. listening for around 2months now and perusing your archived shows as well. and Praise "Bob"
	♥ 3:57pm fred: The laser show is hard to convey in a radio show, but I hope I'll hear Ikue Mori again soon
	♥ 4:01pm weinstein: Blushing and chuckling.
	🥁 ♥ 4:03pm doctorjazz: Great stuff, catch you next week..
	4:03pm Dean: Not exactly random, but I remember my introduction to Yes c.1973. I spied a Close to the Edge 8-track in the back seat of a neighbor's VW. I would have been 14-ish; he had probably graduated from high school. He let me borrow the tape, which I played on my parents' crappy turntable/radio/8-track unit. I had to own the album, so I purchased a copy (at K Mart, perhaps?) and shared it with friends my age. That was our introduction to progressive rock. Hasn't flagged much since.
	♥ 4:07pm weinstein: And now your good taste is codified as Yes goes into the Rock and Roll Thing of Fame. But maybe let's save that hot discussion for the future... best to you all what is ahead!
	🥁 ♥ 4:08pm Doug Schulkind: Greetings from Confluence, PA. About 100 feet from the swift waters of the Youghiogheny (aka "the Yock") River.
	4:08pm Scraps: thank god, i almost missed honda ibarra & mori
	4:08pm Dean: ISWYDT. "But maybe..."

Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from December 21, 2016

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