WFMU: Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 10, 2017

Listener comments!
	♥ 7:04pm David D: Thanks for that Jesse - and this sounds amazing.
	♥ 7:05pm gloomsday: i hope everyone's having a nice evening so far :) this is just what i needed as my workday winds down.
	♥ 7:06pm northguineahills: When Jesse comes on, it means I've been at work waaaay tooo long. (I'm still working off the week I missed b/c of Irma, tonight should be the last late/late evening).
	7:06pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey David and gloomsday, welcome to your Tuesday soundscape. David, any time!
	♥ 7:07pm Dave in Vermont: tuned in for the first time in a long time and thankful
	♥ 7:10pm gloomsday: glad to hear that tonight's the last late evening for you, northguineahills. you were working late last week if i remember correctly.
	♥ 7:11pm gloomsday: this track is absolutely beautiful.
	7:11pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey northguineahills, have a drink on me! Hi Dave, as always, welcome back!
	7:13pm Mayuko: Good evening Jesse! My internet has been not reliable today but listening now.
	♥ 7:13pm melinda: Hi people!
	7:15pm glenn: hello. www.panoramitalia.com...
	7:15pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey Mayuko! You can play the game of is this the recording or the internet's down and that's just the real life neighbors..
	7:17pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hi melinda! Welcome Glenn!
	♥ 7:18pm northguineahills: Yep, I was working late last week as well, but that was so I could get off at noon last Friday to take a party bus to Orlando to see a US soccer game.
	♥ 7:22pm Webhamster Henry: I'm enjoying this little trip to the sea!
	7:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey Henry! Palliser Bay is on the southern end of the North island of New Zealand for everyone's visualization cues
	♥ 7:25pm coelacanth∅: hello Jesse and Jessters
	♥ 7:25pm Webhamster Henry: Google Earthing it now!
	7:26pm Jesse Kaminsky: heya coelacanthø!
	♥ 7:27pm northguineahills: Well, Jesse answered my question.
	♥ 7:27pm listener james from westwood: Evening Jesse and all! This is a deeply calming track. I do hope to make it to New Zealand someday.
	7:30pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey James, let me take your brain there!
	♥ 7:32pm Webhamster Henry: That bay is not too far from where the MS Mikhail Lermontov sank. I took that boat to Europe in 1976.
	♥ 7:33pm melinda: I'd like to visit both New Zealand and Australia.
	7:33pm Jesse Kaminsky: Just think, if you hadn't gotten off in Europe you could have visited the area afterall!
	♥ 7:34pm gloomsday: me too, melinda. new zealand is way way up there on my list of places to visit. this track is only feeding the travel bug.
	♥ 7:36pm Webhamster Henry: I'd certainly like to go to NZ!
	♥ 7:36pm northguineahills: ole! I'll check you for a second when I get home before I go off to see the last US World Cup qualifier (at a pub, this time). Time to leave the office and dodge the feral cats!
	♥ 7:36pm melinda: I made a recording on Casco Bay last week, but it did not sound oceanic like this.
	7:38pm Jesse Kaminsky: Good luck northguineahills, say hi to the cats!
	♥ 7:39pm melinda: I miss cats.
	♥ 7:41pm gloomsday: coming home to my little feline is one of my daily joys. they're such fascinating and silly creatures.
	7:46pm glenn: i have two you can have, if they don't start behaving a little better.
	7:46pm glenn: the adorable little bastards.
	♥ 7:47pm gloomsday: aww, hehe! are they being wily little beasties?
	♥ 7:48pm coelacanth∅: i've recorded ice falling into a glass bowl of water (falling because i was dropping it) -slowed it down, added some echo. pretty cool. i'm not hearing that crackling sound in this recording though...
	7:48pm glenn: well, when they're not sleeping.
	♥ 7:52pm melinda: I love cats, but they can be real pains in the ass, too.
	7:53pm still b/p: Was back down on the Casco Bay waterfront by E. Prom trail this afternoon. Lots of good sound but, other than waves lapping on old beat granite sea wall, most of it human-made: general recreational and work boat traffic, cruise ship long horn blasts before departure, bullhorned instruction and kid noise from small flocks of little boats practicing sailing-school maneuvers.
	♥ 7:53pm melinda: Knocking over water glasses was always a favorite.
	♥ 7:53pm listener james from westwood: Ages ago I bookmarked, on a now-moribund computer, a link to a recording of deep lake ice cracking. Sounded like sci-fi lasers.
	♥ 7:55pm coelacanth∅: i don't miss cats. i'm in their company fairly often; i don't need to live with them.
	7:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: Tonight's images are of paintings by Barbara Takenaga: www.barbaratakenaga.com
	♥ 7:56pm melinda: @b/p haha, that's where I was and there is a lot of human-made noise. Some good bird tweets, mixed with service vehicles. I like the Eastern Prom trail.
	7:57pm geezerette: Hello, Jesse and folks! Images look like Deco Dreamtime.
	♥ 7:57pm melinda: Those cruise ship blasts are loud.
	7:58pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey geezerette! Yeah they definitely have the dots for it!
	♥ 7:58pm coelacanth∅: i haven't heard a thing from my speakers in maybe 10 minutes...is this "10:33"?
	♥ 7:58pm northguineahills: iTunes won't turn on at home. Been trying for five minutes (the pop-up has been freezing as well, but that's on my end).
	7:59pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, you should be hearing sounds from the street in Vrindavan, India
	♥ 8:00pm northguineahills: finally, I was about to hook my phone to my stereo.
	8:00pm Jesse Kaminsky: I mean you could be
	♥ 8:01pm melinda: I like the Indian street sounds.
	♥ 8:01pm coelacanth∅: james i've heard that in nature (or something like it) - unfortunately before i had a good recording device. pretty astounding.
	♥ 8:06pm coelacanth∅: i guess my player quit right at the end of the ice falling into a pond. 'didn't hear any of "on the road" until now. ...one of the hazards of listening to ambient/field recordings. i was waiting for something to happen that i could hear!
	8:08pm Jesse Kaminsky: You can read some words about the recordings from India by Becoming Vision on their bandcamp: becomingvision.bandcamp.com...
	8:10pm still b/p: After a few decades here, in last few years I'm enjoying many more sessions of waterfront idleness, (distracted) reading, scene enjoyment. Particularly there for eager boat-watching...gimme handsome older powerboats or classically styled (though insanely expensive) new ones instead of the crass white fiberglass models that unappealingly make something humpy, chumpy and stocky out of their would-be streamlining. Ptooey. Welcome to Boat Bash Corner everybody.
	♥ 8:11pm coelacanth∅: the 3rd definition of "music" in the funk & wagnalls comprehensive standard dictionary (©1933): "3.any pleasing succession of sounds."
	8:12pm Jesse Kaminsky: hmm, does it have to be pleasing?
	8:13pm still b/p: Succession of Sound has the ring of an early 70s pop soul/R&B group name.
	♥ 8:17pm northguineahills: Cool, this is on Hospital Productions!
	8:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: This is Dominick Fernow so pretty much is Hospital Productions
	♥ 8:19pm coelacanth∅: i think so. the first 2 definitions: "1. the art of rhythmic combination of tones 2.a composition executed according to musical rule." - so there we can have what's undeniably music, though maybe nobody likes it; but if it's a noise, like say the sound of someone vomiting so it doesn't fall into the first 2 categories, and no one likes it, then i think it's not music. (though somebody somewhere does in fact like the sound of someone vomiting)
	♥ 8:22pm northguineahills: Wow! This is very different from most of the other stuff of his I've heard. He used to have a noise record store in the East Village (where a reggae rec store used to be), I got a lot of great stuff there, nice lad!
	8:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, there's no way to know that someone somewhere doesn't like a given thing so we pretty much have to assume that everything is probably music then. Ultimately the question to me is like "is it art," not nearly as useful a question as "is it interesting"
	8:25pm Jesse Kaminsky: @northguineaills, yeah, this project has been going for a while now I think but getting more and more ambient as he goes it seems
	♥ 8:28pm coelacanth∅: Jesse i agree; though maybe we can define it subjectively and say (i.e.) "it's music to me. it's not music to him." (which of course means -it it music.)
	♥ 8:28pm northguineahills: Thanks Jesse, I'm out. Hear ya next week. I tried to have my donations go to yours and Kurt's, but my receipt just said I donated generically to all of WFMU. I want the GTDS to be repped, so I just asked Joe McGasko to make it so. Adios!
	8:29pm Jesse Kaminsky: Awesome, thanks very much northguineaills!! Have a great week!
	♥ 8:29pm northguineahills: @coel: I think I'm even at post-Cageian sense of the definition of music at this point.
	♥ 8:31pm coelacanth∅: anyway, i was surprised to find that 3rd definition in this dictionary; which i knew to contain this: "pagan 1.pertaining to pagans; heathenish 2.a worshiper of false gods; a heathen; idolater 3.an irreligious person."
	♥ 8:32pm coelacanth∅: ngh, i'm going to have to meditate on that!
	♥ 8:41pm Webhamster Henry: @ngh/@ceolacanthø From my top 10 list of 2013: Is it over? A collection of Not Listening Pieces (Not Listening Space: 2013) What is music? Up until now, it's more or less been defined as organized sound. John Cage extended this with the recognition that the act of listening itself organizes sound. Well, the folks at Not Listening Space have taken that a step further: not even paying attention organizes sound. This is a collection of text instructions by Odine Polly Ferris, which you are encouraged not to read or interpret in any way. It's my guess, not having read the book myself, that you were actually participating in a Not Listening Space piece right up until the moment you read about it here.
	8:51pm still b/p: Assessing the unheard: Groucho in The Cocoanuts -- "The first musical number on the program will be a piccolo solo, which we will skip."
	♥ 8:52pm coelacanth∅: ha! amusing, but i may not agree...or i may not understand! - the one thing i think is that all sound is organised, so therefore music - even if no one hears it; possibly and probably by different elements ("sources"; "composers") that may or may not be aware of or collaborating with the other elements, or even aware of anything at all.
	8:55pm still b/p: I will skip....out, to hear a friend playing music tonight. She always wants me to play spoons, which I don't do very well. Enjoyed these tracks. Thanks.
	8:57pm Jesse Kaminsky: hey still b/p, yes! always opt for the live music if you can!
	♥ 8:57pm coelacanth∅: still that's funny. i love Groucho. ciao
	♥ 8:59pm coelacanth∅: i was going to go back out for live music. i still have my shoes on, but i'm apprehensive about commitment. i have to have an early start tomorrow.
	9:01pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, the word "organized" can be tough, it's tempting to think that organized things have to have an organizer and so therefore music must be a product of consciousness. You could also think of the term to be organized like molecular structures, which are more or less self-forming, then it really comes from the nature of sound production itself. Or another idea might be that the organization goes hand in hand with the perception of the sounds and there is no objective music, only subjective..
	♥ 9:07pm Doug Schulkind: Yawa everybody!
	♥ 9:07pm coelacanth∅: - the latter being what Cage was going for? ...i don't think it has to be consciously created, as long as it's consciously perceived. i've laid in bed in the morning listening to the world get going and perceived it as a symphony. so in terms of perception it's a product of consciousness, but not in terms of it's creation.
	♥ 9:08pm coelacanth∅: hey Doug!
	♥ 9:14pm Doug Schulkind: Hey, coel!
	9:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hiya Doug!
	♥ 9:19pm coelacanth∅: the 2nd idea has me relating it to some terminology that's got me into unpleasantness in a completely different field. i've said (regarding a health issue) "the body's designed to work [such & such] a way" - and people assume i'm referring to being "designed by God", just because i used the word designed; but my intention was along the lines of that concept of molecularly; or "designed by evolution", or even just a succession of events...so it's "designed" by nature...organised.
	♥ 9:21pm coelacanth∅: yeah i really like these pictures.
	9:23pm Jesse Kaminsky: They're really big, wall sized some of them. She has a wall piece up now at Mass Moca which I haven't been able to see yet
	♥ 9:25pm coelacanth∅: my computer will freeze if i go to her site now. i have to wait till i'm on a different one.
	♥ 9:25pm Doug Schulkind: "Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili (a) binaural recording" by Sandro Mussida from Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili." is my new favorite sentence in the (mostly) English language.
	♥ 9:26pm melinda: coel that reminds me of an episode my dad told me about that's kind of the reverse of what you described. He was seeing a doctor for a shoulder injury and commented that human shoulders hadn't fully adapted to our upright state (or something like that) and the doctor said he didn't believe in evolution.
	9:29pm Jesse Kaminsky: That's the funny thing about evolution though it doesn't really need you to believe in it in order to work as an idea
	♥ 9:31pm coelacanth∅: melinda - wow! that's surprising both because i forget that even doctors are sometimes not very smart, but also because that's pretty unprofessional of him to say it to his patient.
	♥ 9:31pm melinda: Right?
	♥ 9:32pm melinda: What could have been an interesting conversation about anatomy came to a screeching halt.
	♥ 9:32pm coelacanth∅: i've tried to tell people they can both believe in (their) god ("God") AND acknowledge evolution. they ain't havin' it.
	♥ 9:34pm melinda: I may have used the word 'designed' in the way you described, but it does give people ammunition if they want to see you as a closet theist.
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: haha, it's true....but i have a tough time altering the way i communicate to accommodate others. my life might be easier if i could do it but i'm stubborn - as my posts on the wfmu comment boards sometimes are testimonial to.
	♥ 9:40pm melinda: troublemaker, haha
	♥ 9:40pm coelacanth∅: (i actually don't think of myself as stubborn! ...but maybe in that regard)
	♥ 9:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jesse! Excellent program. see y'all
	10:00pm Jesse Kaminsky: thanks everyone!

Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 10, 2017

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October 10, 2017: light and lively

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	New
Becoming Vision	Orissa "Orissa" by "Becoming Vision"	Hindu heart		2017	*
Tim Prebble	Palliser Bay "Palliser Bay" by "Tim Prebble"	EDITION 001 Palliser Bay	HISSandaROAR	2017	*
Scutopus	Ice falling from trees into thawing duck pond, Winter 2016	Seasons		2017	*
Becoming Vision	On the road "On the road" by "Becoming Vision"	Vrindavan		2017	*
	a song
Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement	Jungle Is A Shapeshifter	Ambient Black Magic	Hospital Productions	2017	*
Airhead	Antipolo "Antipolo" by "Airhead"		Hemlock Recordings	2017	*
Butch	Dope "Dope" by "Butch"		Play It Say It	2015
Danny Daze & Shokh	Aire "Aire" by "Danny Daze & Shokh"	Speicher 98	Kompakt Extra	2017	*
Helena Hauff	Gift "Gift" by "Helena Hauff"		Ninja Tune	2017
Robert Aiki Aubrey Lowe	Yawa Sdlrow	Marlek	MILD VILNC	2017
Music behind DJ: Dominique Dumont	La Bataille de Neige
Sandro Mussida	Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili (a) binaural recording	Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili	Metrica	2017
Die Angel	Kitka "Kitka" by "Die Angel"	Entropien I	Cosmo Rhythmatic	2017
Richard Horowitz	Never Tech No Foreign Answer	Eros In Arabia	Freedom To Spend	2017/1981
Ploy	Footprints In Solid Rock (Peder Mannerfelt's Rock Solid Remix)	Remixes - 2	Timedance	2017
HAEX-HRLL	North Of Warren "North Of Warren" by "HAEX-HRLL"	Further From The Truth LP	Giallo Disco	2017	*
Electra	Dream Space Inbetween "Dream Space Inbetween" by "Electra"	Dream House Volume 1.2	Blind Jacks Journey	2013
Funky Green Dogs From Outer Space	Reach For Me	Don't Techno For An Answer Volume 2	TRIBAL America/Guerilla	1992

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Listener comments!
	♥ 7:04pm David D: Thanks for that Jesse - and this sounds amazing.
	♥ 7:05pm gloomsday: i hope everyone's having a nice evening so far :) this is just what i needed as my workday winds down.
	♥ 7:06pm northguineahills: When Jesse comes on, it means I've been at work waaaay tooo long. (I'm still working off the week I missed b/c of Irma, tonight should be the last late/late evening).
	7:06pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey David and gloomsday, welcome to your Tuesday soundscape. David, any time!
	♥ 7:07pm Dave in Vermont: tuned in for the first time in a long time and thankful
	♥ 7:10pm gloomsday: glad to hear that tonight's the last late evening for you, northguineahills. you were working late last week if i remember correctly.
	♥ 7:11pm gloomsday: this track is absolutely beautiful.
	7:11pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey northguineahills, have a drink on me! Hi Dave, as always, welcome back!
	7:13pm Mayuko: Good evening Jesse! My internet has been not reliable today but listening now.
	♥ 7:13pm melinda: Hi people!
	7:15pm glenn: hello. www.panoramitalia.com...
	7:15pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey Mayuko! You can play the game of is this the recording or the internet's down and that's just the real life neighbors..
	7:17pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hi melinda! Welcome Glenn!
	♥ 7:18pm northguineahills: Yep, I was working late last week as well, but that was so I could get off at noon last Friday to take a party bus to Orlando to see a US soccer game.
	♥ 7:22pm Webhamster Henry: I'm enjoying this little trip to the sea!
	7:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey Henry! Palliser Bay is on the southern end of the North island of New Zealand for everyone's visualization cues
	♥ 7:25pm coelacanth∅: hello Jesse and Jessters
	♥ 7:25pm Webhamster Henry: Google Earthing it now!
	7:26pm Jesse Kaminsky: heya coelacanthø!
	♥ 7:27pm northguineahills: Well, Jesse answered my question.
	♥ 7:27pm listener james from westwood: Evening Jesse and all! This is a deeply calming track. I do hope to make it to New Zealand someday.
	7:30pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey James, let me take your brain there!
	♥ 7:32pm Webhamster Henry: That bay is not too far from where the MS Mikhail Lermontov sank. I took that boat to Europe in 1976.
	♥ 7:33pm melinda: I'd like to visit both New Zealand and Australia.
	7:33pm Jesse Kaminsky: Just think, if you hadn't gotten off in Europe you could have visited the area afterall!
	♥ 7:34pm gloomsday: me too, melinda. new zealand is way way up there on my list of places to visit. this track is only feeding the travel bug.
	♥ 7:36pm Webhamster Henry: I'd certainly like to go to NZ!
	♥ 7:36pm northguineahills: ole! I'll check you for a second when I get home before I go off to see the last US World Cup qualifier (at a pub, this time). Time to leave the office and dodge the feral cats!
	♥ 7:36pm melinda: I made a recording on Casco Bay last week, but it did not sound oceanic like this.
	7:38pm Jesse Kaminsky: Good luck northguineahills, say hi to the cats!
	♥ 7:39pm melinda: I miss cats.
	♥ 7:41pm gloomsday: coming home to my little feline is one of my daily joys. they're such fascinating and silly creatures.
	7:46pm glenn: i have two you can have, if they don't start behaving a little better.
	7:46pm glenn: the adorable little bastards.
	♥ 7:47pm gloomsday: aww, hehe! are they being wily little beasties?
	♥ 7:48pm coelacanth∅: i've recorded ice falling into a glass bowl of water (falling because i was dropping it) -slowed it down, added some echo. pretty cool. i'm not hearing that crackling sound in this recording though...
	7:48pm glenn: well, when they're not sleeping.
	♥ 7:52pm melinda: I love cats, but they can be real pains in the ass, too.
	7:53pm still b/p: Was back down on the Casco Bay waterfront by E. Prom trail this afternoon. Lots of good sound but, other than waves lapping on old beat granite sea wall, most of it human-made: general recreational and work boat traffic, cruise ship long horn blasts before departure, bullhorned instruction and kid noise from small flocks of little boats practicing sailing-school maneuvers.
	♥ 7:53pm melinda: Knocking over water glasses was always a favorite.
	♥ 7:53pm listener james from westwood: Ages ago I bookmarked, on a now-moribund computer, a link to a recording of deep lake ice cracking. Sounded like sci-fi lasers.
	♥ 7:55pm coelacanth∅: i don't miss cats. i'm in their company fairly often; i don't need to live with them.
	7:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: Tonight's images are of paintings by Barbara Takenaga: www.barbaratakenaga.com
	♥ 7:56pm melinda: @b/p haha, that's where I was and there is a lot of human-made noise. Some good bird tweets, mixed with service vehicles. I like the Eastern Prom trail.
	7:57pm geezerette: Hello, Jesse and folks! Images look like Deco Dreamtime.
	♥ 7:57pm melinda: Those cruise ship blasts are loud.
	7:58pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey geezerette! Yeah they definitely have the dots for it!
	♥ 7:58pm coelacanth∅: i haven't heard a thing from my speakers in maybe 10 minutes...is this "10:33"?
	♥ 7:58pm northguineahills: iTunes won't turn on at home. Been trying for five minutes (the pop-up has been freezing as well, but that's on my end).
	7:59pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, you should be hearing sounds from the street in Vrindavan, India
	♥ 8:00pm northguineahills: finally, I was about to hook my phone to my stereo.
	8:00pm Jesse Kaminsky: I mean you could be
	♥ 8:01pm melinda: I like the Indian street sounds.
	♥ 8:01pm coelacanth∅: james i've heard that in nature (or something like it) - unfortunately before i had a good recording device. pretty astounding.
	♥ 8:06pm coelacanth∅: i guess my player quit right at the end of the ice falling into a pond. 'didn't hear any of "on the road" until now. ...one of the hazards of listening to ambient/field recordings. i was waiting for something to happen that i could hear!
	8:08pm Jesse Kaminsky: You can read some words about the recordings from India by Becoming Vision on their bandcamp: becomingvision.bandcamp.com...
	8:10pm still b/p: After a few decades here, in last few years I'm enjoying many more sessions of waterfront idleness, (distracted) reading, scene enjoyment. Particularly there for eager boat-watching...gimme handsome older powerboats or classically styled (though insanely expensive) new ones instead of the crass white fiberglass models that unappealingly make something humpy, chumpy and stocky out of their would-be streamlining. Ptooey. Welcome to Boat Bash Corner everybody.
	♥ 8:11pm coelacanth∅: the 3rd definition of "music" in the funk & wagnalls comprehensive standard dictionary (©1933): "3.any pleasing succession of sounds."
	8:12pm Jesse Kaminsky: hmm, does it have to be pleasing?
	8:13pm still b/p: Succession of Sound has the ring of an early 70s pop soul/R&B group name.
	♥ 8:17pm northguineahills: Cool, this is on Hospital Productions!
	8:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: This is Dominick Fernow so pretty much is Hospital Productions
	♥ 8:19pm coelacanth∅: i think so. the first 2 definitions: "1. the art of rhythmic combination of tones 2.a composition executed according to musical rule." - so there we can have what's undeniably music, though maybe nobody likes it; but if it's a noise, like say the sound of someone vomiting so it doesn't fall into the first 2 categories, and no one likes it, then i think it's not music. (though somebody somewhere does in fact like the sound of someone vomiting)
	♥ 8:22pm northguineahills: Wow! This is very different from most of the other stuff of his I've heard. He used to have a noise record store in the East Village (where a reggae rec store used to be), I got a lot of great stuff there, nice lad!
	8:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, there's no way to know that someone somewhere doesn't like a given thing so we pretty much have to assume that everything is probably music then. Ultimately the question to me is like "is it art," not nearly as useful a question as "is it interesting"
	8:25pm Jesse Kaminsky: @northguineaills, yeah, this project has been going for a while now I think but getting more and more ambient as he goes it seems
	♥ 8:28pm coelacanth∅: Jesse i agree; though maybe we can define it subjectively and say (i.e.) "it's music to me. it's not music to him." (which of course means -it it music.)
	♥ 8:28pm northguineahills: Thanks Jesse, I'm out. Hear ya next week. I tried to have my donations go to yours and Kurt's, but my receipt just said I donated generically to all of WFMU. I want the GTDS to be repped, so I just asked Joe McGasko to make it so. Adios!
	8:29pm Jesse Kaminsky: Awesome, thanks very much northguineaills!! Have a great week!
	♥ 8:29pm northguineahills: @coel: I think I'm even at post-Cageian sense of the definition of music at this point.
	♥ 8:31pm coelacanth∅: anyway, i was surprised to find that 3rd definition in this dictionary; which i knew to contain this: "pagan 1.pertaining to pagans; heathenish 2.a worshiper of false gods; a heathen; idolater 3.an irreligious person."
	♥ 8:32pm coelacanth∅: ngh, i'm going to have to meditate on that!
	♥ 8:41pm Webhamster Henry: @ngh/@ceolacanthø From my top 10 list of 2013: Is it over? A collection of Not Listening Pieces (Not Listening Space: 2013) What is music? Up until now, it's more or less been defined as organized sound. John Cage extended this with the recognition that the act of listening itself organizes sound. Well, the folks at Not Listening Space have taken that a step further: not even paying attention organizes sound. This is a collection of text instructions by Odine Polly Ferris, which you are encouraged not to read or interpret in any way. It's my guess, not having read the book myself, that you were actually participating in a Not Listening Space piece right up until the moment you read about it here.
	8:51pm still b/p: Assessing the unheard: Groucho in The Cocoanuts -- "The first musical number on the program will be a piccolo solo, which we will skip."
	♥ 8:52pm coelacanth∅: ha! amusing, but i may not agree...or i may not understand! - the one thing i think is that all sound is organised, so therefore music - even if no one hears it; possibly and probably by different elements ("sources"; "composers") that may or may not be aware of or collaborating with the other elements, or even aware of anything at all.
	8:55pm still b/p: I will skip....out, to hear a friend playing music tonight. She always wants me to play spoons, which I don't do very well. Enjoyed these tracks. Thanks.
	8:57pm Jesse Kaminsky: hey still b/p, yes! always opt for the live music if you can!
	♥ 8:57pm coelacanth∅: still that's funny. i love Groucho. ciao
	♥ 8:59pm coelacanth∅: i was going to go back out for live music. i still have my shoes on, but i'm apprehensive about commitment. i have to have an early start tomorrow.
	9:01pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, the word "organized" can be tough, it's tempting to think that organized things have to have an organizer and so therefore music must be a product of consciousness. You could also think of the term to be organized like molecular structures, which are more or less self-forming, then it really comes from the nature of sound production itself. Or another idea might be that the organization goes hand in hand with the perception of the sounds and there is no objective music, only subjective..
	♥ 9:07pm Doug Schulkind: Yawa everybody!
	♥ 9:07pm coelacanth∅: - the latter being what Cage was going for? ...i don't think it has to be consciously created, as long as it's consciously perceived. i've laid in bed in the morning listening to the world get going and perceived it as a symphony. so in terms of perception it's a product of consciousness, but not in terms of it's creation.
	♥ 9:08pm coelacanth∅: hey Doug!
	♥ 9:14pm Doug Schulkind: Hey, coel!
	9:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hiya Doug!
	♥ 9:19pm coelacanth∅: the 2nd idea has me relating it to some terminology that's got me into unpleasantness in a completely different field. i've said (regarding a health issue) "the body's designed to work [such & such] a way" - and people assume i'm referring to being "designed by God", just because i used the word designed; but my intention was along the lines of that concept of molecularly; or "designed by evolution", or even just a succession of events...so it's "designed" by nature...organised.
	♥ 9:21pm coelacanth∅: yeah i really like these pictures.
	9:23pm Jesse Kaminsky: They're really big, wall sized some of them. She has a wall piece up now at Mass Moca which I haven't been able to see yet
	♥ 9:25pm coelacanth∅: my computer will freeze if i go to her site now. i have to wait till i'm on a different one.
	♥ 9:25pm Doug Schulkind: "Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili (a) binaural recording" by Sandro Mussida from Ventuno Costellazioni Invisibili." is my new favorite sentence in the (mostly) English language.
	♥ 9:26pm melinda: coel that reminds me of an episode my dad told me about that's kind of the reverse of what you described. He was seeing a doctor for a shoulder injury and commented that human shoulders hadn't fully adapted to our upright state (or something like that) and the doctor said he didn't believe in evolution.
	9:29pm Jesse Kaminsky: That's the funny thing about evolution though it doesn't really need you to believe in it in order to work as an idea
	♥ 9:31pm coelacanth∅: melinda - wow! that's surprising both because i forget that even doctors are sometimes not very smart, but also because that's pretty unprofessional of him to say it to his patient.
	♥ 9:31pm melinda: Right?
	♥ 9:32pm melinda: What could have been an interesting conversation about anatomy came to a screeching halt.
	♥ 9:32pm coelacanth∅: i've tried to tell people they can both believe in (their) god ("God") AND acknowledge evolution. they ain't havin' it.
	♥ 9:34pm melinda: I may have used the word 'designed' in the way you described, but it does give people ammunition if they want to see you as a closet theist.
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: haha, it's true....but i have a tough time altering the way i communicate to accommodate others. my life might be easier if i could do it but i'm stubborn - as my posts on the wfmu comment boards sometimes are testimonial to.
	♥ 9:40pm melinda: troublemaker, haha
	♥ 9:40pm coelacanth∅: (i actually don't think of myself as stubborn! ...but maybe in that regard)
	♥ 9:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jesse! Excellent program. see y'all
	10:00pm Jesse Kaminsky: thanks everyone!

Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 10, 2017

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