WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 8, 2018

Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 5:58pm listener james from westwood: w00t! DJ/rupture! FMU legend!
	6:01pm melinda: Hi all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm chris: Yeah! Rupture! Woohoo!
	♥ 6:06pm Kat in Chicago: I miss rupture!
	🤖 ♥ 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Cool to hear DJ Rupture again. I loved the Mudd Up! program.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: Distracted walking is a real problem!
	♥ 6:09pm Kat in Chicago: I resolve to get Jace's book this week and read it
	♥ 6:10pm βrian: I never, ever walk while looking at a screen or having things in my ear. Call it survival instinct, but it seems more like common sense.
	6:10pm queems: i’m on my phone reading these comments RIGHT NOW
	♥ 6:10pm northguineahills: I just gave my percussionist the link for all the /rupture mixes he posted. Same thing here, βrian.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm listener james from westwood: LOL, in the tech barons' minds, screens are for the Morlocks! ::checks Twitter::
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I choose to have headphones & select my Audio world - but still don't own a Screen mobile... For me this includes Info/Talk podcasts - like Psychedelic Salon - & I'm an Astrology Enthusiast - so quality programs re that...fairly high-minded stuff that requires some cognitive attention...as well as Music of all kinds, of course... So - what do you think of Kindle?
	6:15pm queems: god i love birds
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Interwebz were supposed to be all Decentralizing - & of course it's 1/10th of 1% thru whom everything gets funneled...
	♥ 6:16pm dale: i've had an lg dumb phone and upgraded it recently. to a bigger lg dumb phone. i just don't need it. but i have a computer and internet as well - i'm sure most people with iphones don't.
	6:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Lyrebirds evidencing sounds of very things destroying their habitat: www.youtube.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm listener james from westwood: Vast majority of my friends dig Kindles. I use the PC Kindle app, but tend to completely forget I have the book, b/c it's not a physical object I see on my nightstand.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Here's a survey question for you t'tonics: have you ever bought a ringtone?
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm Bas NL: I made my own ringtones.. does that count?
	6:20pm queems: i bought a “call me maybe” ringtone back in 2012 but i have made my own since then
	♥ 6:20pm βrian: Never bought a ringtone, but I did follow a hacker's tutorial to load one on my Motorola Pebble, once.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: I always make my own ringtones; I'm just curious if the old ringtone economy is still around.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: It would be nice to take the bird's version to use as your own tone.
	6:21pm Listener Robert: "Mudd Up" was "years ago"? I feel so old now! Without looking it up, I'm guessing it was on as recently as 2015.
	♥ 6:22pm Kat in Chicago: The bird version would be cool. I bought a Gilbert Gottfried "booty call" ringtone once
	6:22pm Andrew S: i still have my iphone but i dont have service anymore so i just move books and podcasts and music from my computer to take on the road. If i "need" wifi I usually dont have to go far. I didnt realise how terribly addicted I was to my phone until i cut it off. I miss the wfmu app though :)
	6:22pm queems: i really want a text tone of the guy saying SCIENCE from she blinded me with science
	♥ 6:22pm northguineahills: Almost akin to a Jaques Attali quote...
	♥ 6:23pm northguineahills: I keep my phone on silent and non-vibrant all the time.
	♥ 6:23pm βrian: I alway wanted a wood thrush ringtone, but I realized it would enchant me so much that I couldn't possibly pick up.
	6:23pm Listener Robert: Guess I was off by a bit. Longtime listeners, make your guess before looking at the archives link.
	♥ 6:23pm Kat in Chicago: 2012?
	♥ 6:24pm northguineahills: What Kat said, or 2011.
	♥ 6:24pm βrian: Auto-tune hurts my ears and makes my lunch lurch upwards.
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'This Is Your Brain on Music' by Daniel Levitin says Music uses more dif parts of the brain @ once then anything else.
	♥ 6:26pm Kat in Chicago: I have a quote of something Jace said on Mudd Up! on my Facebook profile: “…You know, playing this music, I’m like, ‘This is really weird.’ But I also feel like we’ve just passed the whole point where normal is a thing anymore. It’s all kind of really weird, and we’re gonna just have to get used to the fact that normal’s a thing of the past, and everything’s gonna be strange from here on in.” - DJ/Rupture on Mudd Up! on WFMU, December 6, 2010
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: On my old Motorola RAZR flip phone, I made my own audio clip "Pick up the phone!" ringtone. Just used the default tone since then.
	♥ 6:27pm βrian: I have no apps on my iPhone, but I like that I can easily send mixed-case texts with all the appropriate diacritics in place. I don't have to text-mumble any more!
	6:28pm Dean: As to who controls the archive, see Clifford Lynch's marvelous recent contribution to First Monday, "Stewardship in the 'Age of Algorithms'": http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/8097/6583
	🤖 ♥ 6:30pm chris: thanks, Kat! love that idea.
	♥ 6:30pm northguineahills: I don't know, I have two stacks of vinyl and cassettes from noise/DIY/weirdo/ ???? bands I've seen in the last three months (I have still have yet to hook up my phonographs and tape players).
	♥ 6:30pm βrian: Thanks, Dean. For some reason, I don't follow many biblio-esque channels any more.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Blockchain <answer to everything>
	6:31pm Dean: I myself am selective, βrian, but I always scan the FM TOC, and I'm a big Lynch fan. I attended much of his stewardship seminar last semester.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Patreon...Listener Supported webio...Libertarianism - or Socialism?
	♥ 6:33pm βrian: Yep. Lynch has always been solid. I needs to remind myself. [Backwater ennui, I guess]
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Bas NL: I started listening via Live365 way back. It suggested listening to hundreds of stations and after two months that number had reduced to one single suggestion... WFMU. There is something to be said for systems that learn you to listen in a certain way.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Medium is the Massage / Message / Mass Age
	6:37pm Dean: "I happen to have Mr. McLuhan right here..."
	6:37pm Davis: i remember atari st cubase defaulted to 120 bpm..
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I have written a few microtonal apps too. Jace's plugins sound like fun!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Fascinating. Sufis - you didn't know - the Esoteric Mystics of Islam, like the Dervishes - persecuted now by Taliban& Isis...
	6:38pm Davis: tons of tracks were that speed late 80s, early 90s
	6:39pm Davis: also the tempo for marching military bands-- colonel bogey and all that.... twice heartbeat speed
	♥ 6:40pm βrian: Apropos of nothing, I just purchased a brand new top-of-the-line Apple laptop, along with two brand new most-recent peripherals. The cables that came with the peripherals were not compatible with the laptop. Qu'est-ce que le phoque!
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm listener james from westwood: Excellent quote! I've never bought a ringtone. On the legacy mobiles previous to the iPhone, I just used the tones installed. On the iPhone, I almost immediately carved out a loop from the Conet Project's Lincolnshire Poacher numbers station.
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Indeed there are biases in software - just try to use programs when you are blind.
	6:42pm Dean: Perhaps less apropos of nothing, Ed Felten's recent posts at Freedom to Tinker about singularity are illuminating.
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: Otherwise put: "It just doesn't work."
	♥ 6:46pm northguineahills: Just like written/verbalized languages, coding languages limit what can and cannot be actualized.
	6:49pm Dean: I wish I could say I had my files stored on a cassette from 1976, when I learned rudimentary programming in high school calculus on a Wang.
	♥ 6:49pm βrian: Hmm, maybe an old FOX db file.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Bas NL: Thanks Jace! Good thoughs!
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Oldest file: I've migrated several past computers' contents to the current ones, but I also have a paper tape of a program I wrote in the 70s. it actually predates files.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: So there must be autotunes that know about microtonal scales, right?
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Phil with the phone: Call in at 201-209-9368! my oldest file is the AIM incoming message sound file. Still being used for my text messages lol
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: AIM, RIP!
	♥ 6:54pm βrian: Henceforth, I want trigger warnings when you're going to play auto-tune! Otherwise, I may have to turn you over to the Social Justice Kittens.
	6:55pm JakeGould: Oldest digital file? Do floppy disks count. I still have a 3.5" floppy disk with system admin tools I used to carry around in 1992 or so during my first job out of college. Also from that era? McAfee on floppy to disinfect 386 PCs in the pre Windows 95 days.
	6:55pm Dean: OED identifies a 1954 reference to "file" in the Journal of the Ass'n of Computing Machinery, in the context of "a 'master' tape."
	6:55pm Listener Robert: I used to program on punch cards, mostly keypunched myself -- but didn't save any of the decks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: That tape was punched out by a KSR33 Teletype! en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Like a dope, I tossed some 80-column punch cards that had some of my small programs from college days.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I had some punch cards too, but they actually weren't as old as that tape!
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm chris: Cumbia! Si si si!
	♥ 6:57pm Jeff Moore: Oh, yeah - for strictly nostalgic purposes I still have a punched-card deck containing a program I wrote (in PL/I for an IBM 360) to print out swim meet slips - also from the 1970s somewhere. It probably also includes whatever JCL was required for compile-and-go.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I have some 8" floppies, but no way to read them.
	6:57pm yippie: it all depends on your definition of digital, machines can read almost anything now
	♥ 6:58pm βrian: I'm sure I have floppy files, but surely no way to read them.
	♥ 6:58pm northguineahills: I just tossed lost of academic data on zip disks and zip drives as most of that data is freely available or I have copies of them.
	♥ 6:58pm dale: pretty sure i have zip disks and a jaz drive around.
	6:58pm JakeGould: I also used to have a pirated copy of the game “Moonbase IO” for the Atari 400 home computer on cassette with a hand typed label I got in 1982 or so when I copied games with two boomboxes connected with a homemade 3.5mm audio dubbing cable.
	♥ 6:58pm northguineahills: (this would have been 97-98).
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Bas NL: I started with programming by toggling switches on a 6809 system :\|
	6:59pm JakeGould: BYE!!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark and Jace!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: The cassette program storage is really fun! My Prophet 600 can save its patches on cassette.
	♥ 6:59pm Kat in Chicago: Even in Chicago :)
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Yes, thanks Mark & Jace!
	♥ 7:00pm melinda: When I was a kid my dad used IBM punch cards for note paper, I think he still has some.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @bas NL I could toggle the RIM loader on that PDP/8e with my eyes closed.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Phil with the phone: Here I am thinking I have an old file from 15 years ago and you dinosaurs have punch cards. Much respect, see you all next week!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Our high school had a Radio Shack TRS-80. I wonder what became of that computer? It saved data onto audio cassettes.
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm chris: thanks Mark and Jace!
	♥ 7:01pm northguineahills: Cumbia!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Off to fry some vocals now.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Bas NL: @Webhamster Henry.. now THAT'S programming ;D
	🤖 ♥ 7:03pm Webhamster Henry: Nowadays, teenagers know all these gaming tricks; so it's kind of the same thing!
	♥ 7:41pm Jeff Moore: I used to have the front-panel machinations to boot a PDP-11/40 from an RK05 in muscle memory... and my, didn't those DEC machines have lovely switches! Was it the LOAD ADRS switch which went up (for safety) instead of down?

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 8, 2018

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January 8, 2018: Jace Clayton, aka DJ /rupture, author, "Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture"

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This week on Techtonic, a live phone interview with Jace Clayton, aka DJ /rupture, who hosted Mudd Up! on WFMU for five years (archives are here). Jace's recent book Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture offers a fascinating glimpse into how digital technology has changed music, and culture, in communities around the world:

Links:
• Jace Clayton bio
• Uproot Listening Guide - handpicked music to accompany each chapter of Jace's book
• Gbadu and the Moirai Index (2018), Jace's performance piece to be staged near Wall Street
• Sufi Plug Ins, created by Jace Clayton & team: "Sufi Plug Ins version 1, released in May 2012, is a free suite of seven audio software tools for Ableton Live (Max4Live). They include four software synthesizers hardwired to North African maqam scales with quartertone tuning built-in, a device called DEVOTION which lowers your computer’s volume 5 times a day during call to prayer (presets include Agnostic, Fervent, Devout), and a drone machine."
• Jace on PBS Newshour and NPR's All Things Considered

From 2014's "Instrumentational Complexity of Music Genres and Why Simplicity Sells", referenced in Jace's Uproot Listening Guide:

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Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 5:58pm listener james from westwood: w00t! DJ/rupture! FMU legend!
	6:01pm melinda: Hi all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm chris: Yeah! Rupture! Woohoo!
	♥ 6:06pm Kat in Chicago: I miss rupture!
	🤖 ♥ 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Cool to hear DJ Rupture again. I loved the Mudd Up! program.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: Distracted walking is a real problem!
	♥ 6:09pm Kat in Chicago: I resolve to get Jace's book this week and read it
	♥ 6:10pm βrian: I never, ever walk while looking at a screen or having things in my ear. Call it survival instinct, but it seems more like common sense.
	6:10pm queems: i’m on my phone reading these comments RIGHT NOW
	♥ 6:10pm northguineahills: I just gave my percussionist the link for all the /rupture mixes he posted. Same thing here, βrian.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm listener james from westwood: LOL, in the tech barons' minds, screens are for the Morlocks! ::checks Twitter::
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I choose to have headphones & select my Audio world - but still don't own a Screen mobile... For me this includes Info/Talk podcasts - like Psychedelic Salon - & I'm an Astrology Enthusiast - so quality programs re that...fairly high-minded stuff that requires some cognitive attention...as well as Music of all kinds, of course... So - what do you think of Kindle?
	6:15pm queems: god i love birds
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Interwebz were supposed to be all Decentralizing - & of course it's 1/10th of 1% thru whom everything gets funneled...
	♥ 6:16pm dale: i've had an lg dumb phone and upgraded it recently. to a bigger lg dumb phone. i just don't need it. but i have a computer and internet as well - i'm sure most people with iphones don't.
	6:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Lyrebirds evidencing sounds of very things destroying their habitat: www.youtube.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm listener james from westwood: Vast majority of my friends dig Kindles. I use the PC Kindle app, but tend to completely forget I have the book, b/c it's not a physical object I see on my nightstand.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Here's a survey question for you t'tonics: have you ever bought a ringtone?
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm Bas NL: I made my own ringtones.. does that count?
	6:20pm queems: i bought a “call me maybe” ringtone back in 2012 but i have made my own since then
	♥ 6:20pm βrian: Never bought a ringtone, but I did follow a hacker's tutorial to load one on my Motorola Pebble, once.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: I always make my own ringtones; I'm just curious if the old ringtone economy is still around.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: It would be nice to take the bird's version to use as your own tone.
	6:21pm Listener Robert: "Mudd Up" was "years ago"? I feel so old now! Without looking it up, I'm guessing it was on as recently as 2015.
	♥ 6:22pm Kat in Chicago: The bird version would be cool. I bought a Gilbert Gottfried "booty call" ringtone once
	6:22pm Andrew S: i still have my iphone but i dont have service anymore so i just move books and podcasts and music from my computer to take on the road. If i "need" wifi I usually dont have to go far. I didnt realise how terribly addicted I was to my phone until i cut it off. I miss the wfmu app though :)
	6:22pm queems: i really want a text tone of the guy saying SCIENCE from she blinded me with science
	♥ 6:22pm northguineahills: Almost akin to a Jaques Attali quote...
	♥ 6:23pm northguineahills: I keep my phone on silent and non-vibrant all the time.
	♥ 6:23pm βrian: I alway wanted a wood thrush ringtone, but I realized it would enchant me so much that I couldn't possibly pick up.
	6:23pm Listener Robert: Guess I was off by a bit. Longtime listeners, make your guess before looking at the archives link.
	♥ 6:23pm Kat in Chicago: 2012?
	♥ 6:24pm northguineahills: What Kat said, or 2011.
	♥ 6:24pm βrian: Auto-tune hurts my ears and makes my lunch lurch upwards.
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'This Is Your Brain on Music' by Daniel Levitin says Music uses more dif parts of the brain @ once then anything else.
	♥ 6:26pm Kat in Chicago: I have a quote of something Jace said on Mudd Up! on my Facebook profile: “…You know, playing this music, I’m like, ‘This is really weird.’ But I also feel like we’ve just passed the whole point where normal is a thing anymore. It’s all kind of really weird, and we’re gonna just have to get used to the fact that normal’s a thing of the past, and everything’s gonna be strange from here on in.” - DJ/Rupture on Mudd Up! on WFMU, December 6, 2010
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: On my old Motorola RAZR flip phone, I made my own audio clip "Pick up the phone!" ringtone. Just used the default tone since then.
	♥ 6:27pm βrian: I have no apps on my iPhone, but I like that I can easily send mixed-case texts with all the appropriate diacritics in place. I don't have to text-mumble any more!
	6:28pm Dean: As to who controls the archive, see Clifford Lynch's marvelous recent contribution to First Monday, "Stewardship in the 'Age of Algorithms'": http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/8097/6583
	🤖 ♥ 6:30pm chris: thanks, Kat! love that idea.
	♥ 6:30pm northguineahills: I don't know, I have two stacks of vinyl and cassettes from noise/DIY/weirdo/ ???? bands I've seen in the last three months (I have still have yet to hook up my phonographs and tape players).
	♥ 6:30pm βrian: Thanks, Dean. For some reason, I don't follow many biblio-esque channels any more.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Blockchain <answer to everything>
	6:31pm Dean: I myself am selective, βrian, but I always scan the FM TOC, and I'm a big Lynch fan. I attended much of his stewardship seminar last semester.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Patreon...Listener Supported webio...Libertarianism - or Socialism?
	♥ 6:33pm βrian: Yep. Lynch has always been solid. I needs to remind myself. [Backwater ennui, I guess]
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Bas NL: I started listening via Live365 way back. It suggested listening to hundreds of stations and after two months that number had reduced to one single suggestion... WFMU. There is something to be said for systems that learn you to listen in a certain way.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Medium is the Massage / Message / Mass Age
	6:37pm Dean: "I happen to have Mr. McLuhan right here..."
	6:37pm Davis: i remember atari st cubase defaulted to 120 bpm..
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I have written a few microtonal apps too. Jace's plugins sound like fun!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Fascinating. Sufis - you didn't know - the Esoteric Mystics of Islam, like the Dervishes - persecuted now by Taliban& Isis...
	6:38pm Davis: tons of tracks were that speed late 80s, early 90s
	6:39pm Davis: also the tempo for marching military bands-- colonel bogey and all that.... twice heartbeat speed
	♥ 6:40pm βrian: Apropos of nothing, I just purchased a brand new top-of-the-line Apple laptop, along with two brand new most-recent peripherals. The cables that came with the peripherals were not compatible with the laptop. Qu'est-ce que le phoque!
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm listener james from westwood: Excellent quote! I've never bought a ringtone. On the legacy mobiles previous to the iPhone, I just used the tones installed. On the iPhone, I almost immediately carved out a loop from the Conet Project's Lincolnshire Poacher numbers station.
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Indeed there are biases in software - just try to use programs when you are blind.
	6:42pm Dean: Perhaps less apropos of nothing, Ed Felten's recent posts at Freedom to Tinker about singularity are illuminating.
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: Otherwise put: "It just doesn't work."
	♥ 6:46pm northguineahills: Just like written/verbalized languages, coding languages limit what can and cannot be actualized.
	6:49pm Dean: I wish I could say I had my files stored on a cassette from 1976, when I learned rudimentary programming in high school calculus on a Wang.
	♥ 6:49pm βrian: Hmm, maybe an old FOX db file.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Bas NL: Thanks Jace! Good thoughs!
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Oldest file: I've migrated several past computers' contents to the current ones, but I also have a paper tape of a program I wrote in the 70s. it actually predates files.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: So there must be autotunes that know about microtonal scales, right?
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Phil with the phone: Call in at 201-209-9368! my oldest file is the AIM incoming message sound file. Still being used for my text messages lol
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: AIM, RIP!
	♥ 6:54pm βrian: Henceforth, I want trigger warnings when you're going to play auto-tune! Otherwise, I may have to turn you over to the Social Justice Kittens.
	6:55pm JakeGould: Oldest digital file? Do floppy disks count. I still have a 3.5" floppy disk with system admin tools I used to carry around in 1992 or so during my first job out of college. Also from that era? McAfee on floppy to disinfect 386 PCs in the pre Windows 95 days.
	6:55pm Dean: OED identifies a 1954 reference to "file" in the Journal of the Ass'n of Computing Machinery, in the context of "a 'master' tape."
	6:55pm Listener Robert: I used to program on punch cards, mostly keypunched myself -- but didn't save any of the decks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: That tape was punched out by a KSR33 Teletype! en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Like a dope, I tossed some 80-column punch cards that had some of my small programs from college days.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I had some punch cards too, but they actually weren't as old as that tape!
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm chris: Cumbia! Si si si!
	♥ 6:57pm Jeff Moore: Oh, yeah - for strictly nostalgic purposes I still have a punched-card deck containing a program I wrote (in PL/I for an IBM 360) to print out swim meet slips - also from the 1970s somewhere. It probably also includes whatever JCL was required for compile-and-go.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I have some 8" floppies, but no way to read them.
	6:57pm yippie: it all depends on your definition of digital, machines can read almost anything now
	♥ 6:58pm βrian: I'm sure I have floppy files, but surely no way to read them.
	♥ 6:58pm northguineahills: I just tossed lost of academic data on zip disks and zip drives as most of that data is freely available or I have copies of them.
	♥ 6:58pm dale: pretty sure i have zip disks and a jaz drive around.
	6:58pm JakeGould: I also used to have a pirated copy of the game “Moonbase IO” for the Atari 400 home computer on cassette with a hand typed label I got in 1982 or so when I copied games with two boomboxes connected with a homemade 3.5mm audio dubbing cable.
	♥ 6:58pm northguineahills: (this would have been 97-98).
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Bas NL: I started with programming by toggling switches on a 6809 system :\|
	6:59pm JakeGould: BYE!!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark and Jace!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: The cassette program storage is really fun! My Prophet 600 can save its patches on cassette.
	♥ 6:59pm Kat in Chicago: Even in Chicago :)
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Yes, thanks Mark & Jace!
	♥ 7:00pm melinda: When I was a kid my dad used IBM punch cards for note paper, I think he still has some.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @bas NL I could toggle the RIM loader on that PDP/8e with my eyes closed.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Phil with the phone: Here I am thinking I have an old file from 15 years ago and you dinosaurs have punch cards. Much respect, see you all next week!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Our high school had a Radio Shack TRS-80. I wonder what became of that computer? It saved data onto audio cassettes.
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm chris: thanks Mark and Jace!
	♥ 7:01pm northguineahills: Cumbia!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Off to fry some vocals now.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Bas NL: @Webhamster Henry.. now THAT'S programming ;D
	🤖 ♥ 7:03pm Webhamster Henry: Nowadays, teenagers know all these gaming tricks; so it's kind of the same thing!
	♥ 7:41pm Jeff Moore: I used to have the front-panel machinations to boot a PDP-11/40 from an RK05 in muscle memory... and my, didn't those DEC machines have lovely switches! Was it the LOAD ADRS switch which went up (for safety) instead of down?

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 8, 2018

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