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Favoriting August 11, 2019: August heys.

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Artist Track Album Label Year Comments Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble  Tatas-Matoes   Favoriting Congliptious  Nessa  1968    0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Sun Ra 

The Perfect Man   Favoriting

My Brother The Wind, Vol. I 

Saturn Research  

1970 

 

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Keith Tippett  August Air   Favoriting 1992.05 - Queen Elizabeth Hall, London  [no label]  1992    0:06:21 (Pop-up)
The Attic  Aimless at the Beach   Favoriting Summer Bummer  NoBusiness Records  2019    0:46:31 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Dick Khoza 

Lilongwe   Favoriting

 

 

 

 

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Charlie Haden  Out of Focus   Favoriting The Golden Number  Horizon  1976  w Don Cherry  1:09:00 (Pop-up)
Henry Threadgill Sextett  Sweet Holy Rag   Favoriting Rag, Bush and All  Novus  1989    1:15:49 (Pop-up)
Codona  New Light   Favoriting Codona  ECM  1979    1:29:06 (Pop-up)
Steely Dan  My Old School   Favoriting Countdown to Ecstasy  ABC Records  1973    1:42:42 (Pop-up)
Augustus Pablo & the Upsetter  Vibrate Onn   Favoriting b/w "Dub Onn"  Black Art  1977    1:48:43 (Pop-up)
Israel Vibration  I'll Go Through   Favoriting The Same Song  Top Ranking  1978    1:52:56 (Pop-up)
Keith Hudson & Augustus Pablo  Fat Baby   Favoriting b-side to "Fight On Fight On"  Mafia  1972    1:57:04 (Pop-up)
Drosselbart  An einem Tag im August   Favoriting b/w "O'Driscoll"  Polydor  1971    1:59:43 (Pop-up)
Crystalized Movements  August Arising   Favoriting Revelations from Pandemonium  Twisted Village  1992    2:02:54 (Pop-up)
Mary Halvorson & Jessica Pavone  One Day in August   Favoriting Prairies  Lucky Kitchen  2005    2:05:15 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Booker T. & The MGs 

Melting Pot   Favoriting

 

 

 

 

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Matt Bauder & Day in Pictures  August and Counting   Favoriting Nightshades  Clean Feed  2014    2:16:11 (Pop-up)
The Claudia Quintet  August 5th, 2006 (For Kate Schroeder and Family)   Favoriting For  Cuneiform  2007    2:23:08 (Pop-up)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk  Lonesome August Child   Favoriting Reeds & Deeds  Mercury  1963    2:32:44 (Pop-up)
Giovanni Guidi  15th of August   Favoriting Avec le Temps  ECM  2019    2:37:50 (Pop-up)
Ernest Hood  August Haze   Favoriting Neighborhoods  Thistlefield Records  1975    2:43:57 (Pop-up)
Talking Heads  This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody)   Favoriting Speaking in Tongues  Sire  1983    2:52:03 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Dudu Pukwana & Spear 

Flute Music   Favoriting

Flute Music 

Caroline 

1975 

 

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:01am
fred:

Good morning Jeff and those headed out. Though I'm staying in for the next three hours
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hyde:

hello!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:01am
Jeff Golick:

Yay, @fred!
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listener james from westwood:

Morning, Jeff and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:02am
Jeff Golick:

Hey there, @hyde!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:03am
Jeff Golick:

@listener james! Good morning to you, sir.
Avatar 9:06am
Freaky Tiki:

Morning, y'all! Rare moment when I can listen live.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:08am
Jeff Golick:

Heyo, @Freaky Tiki!
Avatar 🦀 9:10am
duke:

Good morning Jeff and D:Oers
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:11am
Jeff Golick:

Greetings, @duke!
  9:12am
Doug Schulkind:

Full-throated hellooooo from Lobsterland!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:13am
Jeff Golick:

Now that your throat is butter-coated, it's probably all the easier to bellow like that. Hi, @Doug!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:18am
Jeff Golick:

Scheduling note: I've seen Halloween displays in stores already.
  9:22am
Doug Schulkind:

With last night’s lobster boil, I said “I think I’ll go without butter this time,” aiming for a more healthful approach. It turns out I have bad aim.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:23am
listener james from westwood:

Butterfingers!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:23am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Doug, i can hear you from Tel Aviv. Hello, everyone!
Avatar 9:24am
Freaky Tiki:

As a teacher, I've always found the back to school displays more spooky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:24am
Jeff Golick:

@Granny Spicy Tuna! Shalom.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:25am
Jeff Golick:

@Freaky: understandable.
  9:25am
John in England:

What has happened to the destination-out.com website?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:26am
Jeff Golick:

Hi, @John in England. It's offline due to some server difficulty. We're working on getting it reinstated.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:26am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Shalom, Jeff. No lobster here, but the streets are paved with gluten and shakshuka.
  9:27am
Doug Schulkind:

Next year in Jerusalem, GST!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:27am
Jeff Golick:

What is "shakshuka?"
  9:28am
John in England:

Glad to hear that. Thanks for the update.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:29am
Jeff Golick:

Sure. Glad you're still interested!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:31am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Jeff: shakshuka is a tasty dish of eggs poached in a peppery tomato sauce. I am doing an investigation of the many shakshuka offerings here. I plan to spend my 50th birthday (Tuesday) in Jerusalem.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:31am
Uncle Michael:

I thiught the streets were paved with halvah. Thats what that stuff is for,right?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:31am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

UM: it's the buildings that are made of halva
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:32am
Jeff Golick:

@UM! I love me some marble halvah. Which is why I am now the size of a building.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:33am
Stanley:

Hi Jazz Cats
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34am
Jeff Golick:

Speaking of cool cats, here's @Stanley!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:34am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i wish i had some huge speakers to blast this through. wow.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:34am
Uncle Michael:

I'm convinced halvah is why my grandmother is dead...that or the fact that she was born 100 years ago.
  9:35am
Doug Schulkind:

I made a shakshuka for the family last week. Eggs for dinner is a simple delight. Especially the same mole part.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:36am
holland oats:

yo d:o! peeps!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37am
Jeff Golick:

Huh. My grandmother, too, gave me my first taste of halvah. She is also dead. Coincidence???
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37am
Jeff Golick:

What is up, @holland oats!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:38am
Jeff Golick:

What is the opposite of a "foodie?" That is what I am.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:38am
Jeff Golick:

"Garbage eater?"
Avatar 🦀 9:38am
hyde:

man, i loovvvvvvv shaksuka
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:40am
Sem:

Hello, Jeff, and greetings Sunday Jazz-O'philes.
Avatar 🦀 9:41am
hyde:

the opposite of foodie is people like a friend i have who seems to basically just think eating is a pain and might happily exist on nothing but soylent or the like
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:41am
Jeff Golick:

Hi, @Sem! Great to see you!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:41am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

hyde: that is why i am going to Jerusalem for my birthday. My pilgrimage is to go to Tmol Shilshom where i ate my first (and so far favorite) shakshuka.
Avatar 🦀 9:42am
hyde:

@GSt that sounds super cool.
  9:44am
Doug Schulkind:

Share the recipe if you can, Granny.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45am
Jeff Golick:

@hyde: I'm not quite as bad as your friend, but I do find that my inherent laziness tends to outweigh my desire to eat something good.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:45am
fred:

@hyde@9:41: that's pretty close to my outlook. Except I'd go with Guinness instead of soylent. And probably still go for the occasional onigiri run
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:46am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

I just looked at theTmol Shilshom calendar and it looks like they've lined up kpouz player Gilad Weiss to play for my birthday. Now i'm even MORE excited.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:49am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Doug: i think all shakshuka practitioners guard their recipes ferociously. But i'll send you mine (lots of tomato paste and harissa)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 9:56am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

and i totally meant kopuz, not kpouz
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:04am
doctorjazz:

Hey all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06am
alanr:

thank you giving me such a powerful and soulful background (or perhaps foreground), while I clean my apartment in Brooklyn.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:07am
fred:

@GST: Is the kopuz related to the Kyrgyz komuz? A quick google search says it might be, but I've trained it too well from home, so my results are very skewed
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:08am
listener james from westwood:

Holy shit, Stork!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:08am
holland oats:

WOOT!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:08am
listener james from westwood:

AGES ago I mused about Stork as a glorious GTDR candidate, so I feel prophetic.
Avatar 🦀 10:09am
hyde:

oooh, cool. i heard a Wayne Shorter tune on WHRB the other day and was thinking about how good he is
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:11am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fred: i think so, however i must admit some ignorance in that department
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:12am
Jeff Golick:

@alanr! My absolute pleasure. What's this "cleaning" you speak of?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:13am
fred:

@GST: It doesn't matter anyway. Enjoy your birthday, the show, and the shakshuka (never had that, looks tasty)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:14am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fred: thanks! i am sure it will be enjoyable, whatever it is
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:16am
Jeff Golick:

Are there two more innately musical people than Don Cherry and Charlie Haden?
Avatar 10:17am
fleep:

Greetings, humans!
Avatar 10:18am
Linda Lee:

what amazing sounds for this beautiful morning! thanks Jeff!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:19am
Jeff Golick:

Swimming in on a wing and a fin, it's @fleep!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20am
Jeff Golick:

Hi, @Linda Lee! Aw, you're welcome and thanks for being here!
Avatar 10:21am
Linda Lee:

pleasure! usually feel a bit bereft first thing 'til i hear the right sounds, so you're the savior today. :-)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:21am
doctorjazz:

Ahhh, the Sextette, fabulous band!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:22am
Jeff Golick:

Belated greets, @doctorjazz! I did see you up there earlier...
Easily one of the best bands of the 1980s.
Avatar 🦀 10:26am
hyde:

yeah, this is a great record
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:27am
doctorjazz:

Never developed a taste for shakshuka, do like half a (my mom loved it). Just a falafel, schnitzel kind of guy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28am
alanr:

@jeff golick: sweeping and mopping floors, scrubbing the bathtub and toilet, kitchen surfaces.....all the normal things about cleaning. No metaphors. Just weekly work. LOL
work. LOL
Avatar 10:29am
Linda Lee:

how awful, alanr! :-D
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:31am
doctorjazz:

Do like halva,that should have read...
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:33am
doctorjazz:

I'd love to visit Tel Aviv and Jerusalem again, been a long time (my younger daughter is going out seriously with an Israeli expat, so who knows...)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:35am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

yep, about 15 years ago i got mixed up with an Israeli expat sweeter than halva… and now look where i am! :)

and this track is filling me with joy
Avatar 🦀 10:36am
hyde:

hmmm, i was just listening to Colin Walcott the other day too.was digging it.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:36am
doctorjazz:

Been to see 2 older jazz guys the last 2 weeks...Abdullah Ibrahim with Ekaya, and last night Eddie Palmieri. They are both in their 80s. You can tell they are older, but they both put pin great shows! So glad I caught them.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:37am
doctorjazz:

Codona is another of those amazing bands!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:38am
Jeff Golick:

Two great shows, @doc!
Avatar 🦀 10:38am
hyde:

@doc that's awesome.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:43am
doctorjazz:

Benny Carter holds the record for the oldest jazz musician I've seen that I wasn't sad I went to see him. He was making fabulous music into his 90s, used to catch him often at The West End. (And he was really sweet as well. I was looking at some Fake Books someone was selling outside of the club, and he came up to me and had an encouraging conversation with me. Not that I was a serious musician, but he waa so nice).
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:44am
doctorjazz:

Ahhh,for to the Dan as well, good hubby!
Avatar 10:45am
Linda Lee:

that's a lovely story about Mr Carter, doc. generosity all around.
Avatar 10:46am
Linda Lee:

the truly great are *generous*.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:46am
doctorjazz:

I came to those early albums for the lyrics and tunes,but stayed for the guitar.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:47am
Jeff Golick:

Agreed, @LL.
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Linda Lee:

that might be because there's humility. what they carry is so great they know it's not theirs to keep.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:49am
doctorjazz:

Ok,donned my Woof Moo T shirt, time to walk the pooches.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50am
Jeff Golick:

Happy walking @doc, and doggos!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:50am
doctorjazz:

I don't know, Carter was just such a gentleman in every way. You could feel it from the stage, and he was very sweet and friendly.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:50am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

LL: i'll third that sentiment. so true.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:51am
Jeff Golick:

Time for another round of "which Jeff is this."
Avatar 10:53am
Linda Lee:

humility & brilliance. the gifts hand in hand. very cool to witness it.
Avatar 10:54am
Linda Lee:

makes artists who place themselves above their audience look darn foolish.
Avatar 10:55am
Linda Lee:

especially because your art takes both. without the audience, what have you got?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 10:55am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

LL: sing it, sister!
Avatar 10:56am
Linda Lee:

am i right? :-)
glad you're having a fine time, Granny!
Avatar 11:00am
Linda Lee:

here's one: what's non-binary for 'sister'? cousin? honey bun? :-D
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Linda Lee:

oh! 'an einem im august' isn't Tim Curry doing 'locomotive breath'!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:03am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

thanks, Linda Lee— it's fun to play with words— i like sxter, personally. Just throw an x into the word and it's neutral!
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Linda Lee:

cool! :-D :-D
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:03am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

cousin is one of my favorite word to share with kindred spirits, too <3
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Linda Lee:

i like it too, cuz! :-D also find 'cuz' funny.
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Linda Lee:

jus' cuz.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:06am
fred:

Is sibling binary?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:06am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

right on, cuz!
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Linda Lee:

don't think so, fred.
  11:06am
Doug Schulkind:

Just back from a 2-mile walk along the waterfront. Dog ate many clams along the way. Ran into a 110-pound chocolate lab named Hershey who our pup played with three years ago. Good times!
Avatar 11:07am
Linda Lee:

'my cousin in san francisco'. i like that. ;-)
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Linda Lee:

hi Doug! which waterfront might that be?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:07am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

sibling is neutral, and one that i fold into my ceremonies and oblations
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:08am
Jeff Golick:

Clam dog! One-ten is a big ol' lab.
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Linda Lee:

what thrills me, still, is the concept of intentional family. love it.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:10am
Brian in UK:

Hello Jeff and someday folk.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:10am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Linda Lee: once again, i am with you there, cuz! <3 Ain't got much bio family these days, but i have a gorgeous, widespread family of choice
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:11am
listener james from westwood:

@Doug, that is peak vacationing right there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:11am
northguineahills:

I'm here and there....
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:12am
fred:

I think French is far more gendered than English. You wouldn't have a way out with "cousin", it would be a "cousin/cousine" choise. Then again, we assign gender to everything, so maybe it's been overused into meaninglessness. (Sadly, no)
Avatar 11:13am
Linda Lee:

love it!! :-)
i don't have much bio family either. how nice to consider that potential. in isolation, as i tend to feel now, it's a real lifesaver. but! that means you have to be in a place where you can find your new family. so i should come down out of the mountains!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:14am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fred: Lantinx folx have been playing with the similarly-gendered Spanish for years and coming up with some creative solutions. My sweetie tells me that Hebrew is even more intensely gendered than French and Spanish.
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Linda Lee:

oh gosh, as far as gendered language go, yes, english is *far* more forgiving.
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Linda Lee:

gosh, Granny, how is that possible??
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:15am
doctorjazz:

I read that Threadgill called it a Sextette (in an interview) because he counted the 2 drums as 1. FWIW.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:16am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i've seen a non-binary Spanish speaker identify as Lantin@ (in text, at least—how would you pronounce that?)
Avatar 🦀 11:16am
hyde:

man, now i want a clam dog
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Linda Lee:

there's the kick.. how do ya say these things?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:17am
fred:

@GST: We have something called inclusive writing here where the "cousin" example would be "cousin.e", plural "cousin.e.s". Problem here too is how do you pronounce that?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:17am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Linda Lee: apparently in Hebrew the entire grammatic structure is different depending on if you're talking to a male or a female. But we recently met a gender activist who is a native Hebrew speaker, so we're going to find out how to wrangle that.
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Linda Lee:

ho ma gosh!
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Linda Lee:

how do non-binary people tangle with that one?
constantly, i'd' guess.
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Linda Lee:

the fact that there's so much written that we haven't agreed on, in terms of pronunciation .. points to the fact that we're all online too much :-D
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:19am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i encourage people to approach it playfully, or we'll all get so frustrated we'll give up (this goes for just about everything in life)
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Linda Lee:

yes. beautiful.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20am
Jeff Golick:

Big hellos to @Brian in UK and @northguineahills! I see you!
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Linda Lee:

was just listening to Alan Watts on the subject of play. dead on!
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Linda Lee:

poor man was apparently tormented ~ but still brilliant.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:21am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i mean, doesn't this track sound playful? isn't that part of why it's so enjoyable?
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Linda Lee:

what we have in play is *potential*. that's what keeps us involved in it, yes?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:24am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

a wise teacher encouraged folx to listen to our imaginations with "joke mind." The open-minded, "ok, and then what?" that allows us to enjoy a good joke.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:24am
doctorjazz:

Love this Bauder and crew (he taps as the dogs wind around his legs and leave him hopelessly tangled)
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Linda Lee:

(which is also what draws us to jazz! openness in the conventional structure to potential variation.)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:25am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Jeff and all: thanks for indulging this conversation. I will step back now and encourage others to play. :)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:26am
fred:

@GST: good point, but good jokes are too few (there's only one Joke Lanz, for instance)
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:26am
Uncle Michael:

Today's batch of gazpacho Andaluz will be ready just about when the show ends.
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Linda Lee:

that's very cool, Granny. in tune to the cosmic goof. :-)
Jeff''s been very indulgent, yes. thanks Jeff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28am
Jeff Golick:

Hey, I love the conversation. Don't have much to add, but agree that a light(-hearted) touch is really useful when wading into unknown language waters. Never hurts to ask, nicely, too.

Every once in a while, we'll all end up eating a clam. (I think that's what the jazz musos call it...)
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Linda Lee:

ahaha! 'eating a clam'? i only have one visual for that one.. & i'm sure it's the wrong one.
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Linda Lee:

i like this Claudia Quintet piece lots. but the whole show's been marvelous.
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:32am
fred:

@LL! re intentional family: my brother and sister were adopted. I'm white, my brother is Asian, my sister is black. Done wonders to open my mind, but it also means I'm often labeled a racist
Avatar 11:33am
Linda Lee:

what? why?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:34am
doctorjazz:

Such a lovely set!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:36am
doctorjazz:

I've also heard a wrong note referred to as a clam.
...also don't get that Fred
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:39am
fred:

@LL: Especially with Asians (my sister was adopted much later in my early teens), having grown up with my brother means it can get really hard for me to tell whether someone is Asian or white. To a lesser extent, Asian or black or white. I'm by no means color-blind, but it's something I have to work on, because it comes out as denying someone's identity
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Linda Lee:

ah. wow.
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Linda Lee:

so that's seen as racist? wow..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41am
Jeff Golick:

@fred: Your awareness of it is the main thing. I think?
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:42am
fred:

@Jeff: More like the lack thereof
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hyde:

i gotta go pick up lunch. thanks for the cool music. bye all!
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:43am
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fred: ah. race (like gender) seems to be based on perception rather than biology (hence the concept of "passing"). Again, the best approach is to respect the other person's self-identification. And be playful! :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:43am
Jeff Golick:

Bye, @hyde! Happy lunching!
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Linda Lee:

seems like a bit of a stretch to equate color-blindness with racism tho'..
Avatar 🦀 Swag For Life Member 11:44am
fred:

@LL: It's what GST just said: I should respect how people self-identify
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Linda Lee:

yes, right. 'race' doesn't actually exist, biologically. just a convenient precept for 19th century industrialists to use as a wedge between workers who might be allies against exploitation. so here we are, assuming it has a biological basis.
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Uncle Michael:

Gotta tend to the soup...thanks for the choons, Jeff! Bye all!
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Linda Lee:

self-identity is really all we have to go on. for sure. the probabilities are often assumed & rightly, but still, self-identity is the thing.
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Jeff Golick:

Happy souping, @UM! Thanks for being here!
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Jeff Golick:

Yeah, respecting each other as we wish to be seen -- why so hard?
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Linda Lee:

lack of communication makes it hard.
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Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

happy people are harder to oppress?
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northguineahills:

thanks, Jeff!
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fred:

Maybe because we don't advertise it as clearly as we think. Though by now I have more WFMU T-shirts than non-station ones. It should be clear how I wish to be identified
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Linda Lee:

classes of people unified in numbers are harder to oppress.
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Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Jeff! thank you for an amazing three-hours of sonic bliss and the opportunity to enjoy intelligent (and playful!) conversation with folx around the world. (I just hope SMK doesn't chastise me for blowing my comment limit!!!)
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northguineahills:

@LL:As we all know race is both a conscious and unconscious cultural construct.
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Linda Lee:

@fred ~ & then there's physicality as advertisement, leading to assumption.
@ngh ~ yep.
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Jeff Golick:

There's a comment limit?

Bye for now, @ngh! Thanks for being here.
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Linda Lee:

i've been chastised too, Granny. but i don't think he's minding the streams as much as the flagship show meant to invite new listeners.
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listener james from westwood:

Taking the last moments mobile on my phone as I check laundry; thanks Jeff!
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Jeff Golick:

My absolute pleasure, @GST!
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Jeff Golick:

My pleazh, @ljfw!
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fred:

@LL: Yeah. It's hard. Otherwise it would just be boring
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rw:

Thx JG! Beautiful.
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Linda Lee:

@Jeff, yes, i lost commenting privileges for short time because of 'over commenting'. surprised? :-D
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Doug Schulkind:

Answering Linda lee @11:07

Stonington, Maine
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Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Jeff: some of us were contacted for, er, our "generous" amount of comments on the boards. I was told to keep it to 20 per show. <3
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Linda Lee:

lovely, Doug! :-)
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doctorjazz:

Great show, fun comments, great week all!
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fleep:

Thank you for a great morning wake up, Jeff.
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Clam Dog:

I love you all, too!
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Linda Lee:

thanks so much, Jeff! beautiful show! (final comment today. so there.)
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Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Eat more clams!
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Howard Johnson:

All you can eat clams!
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fred:

Thanks Jeff! I hope whatever keeps you from the radio next week proves enjoyable. And happy birthday to your dad!
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Doug Schulkind:

Maybe just maybe get used to hearing Stork around these parts... Stay tuned.
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Stanley:

Thanks Jeff
Great stuff, guys
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fred:

@Doug: that sounds like (possibly) great news
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Jeff Golick:

Bye for now--and thanks!--@Linda Lee; @GST; @HoJo; @fred; @Stanley; our benefactor @fleep; @doc; and @rw (hi/bye)!
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