WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from November 17, 2019

Listener comments!
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	♥ 9:01am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @fred, welcome, @holland oats!
	♥ 9:03am ParUbi: Good morning, exonauts!
	9:04am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...never know when the WiFis will be on to steal in my trap ....always righteous to catch most of D.O. !
	🦀 ♥ 9:04am listener james from westwood: Had a feeling we might be fêting that luminary today.
	9:05am Doug Schulkind: Sunday morning and my tatas are in a twist!
	9:05am Doug Schulkind: Speaking of a twist, I’ll be back after yoga.
	♥ 9:08am Jeff Golick: Good morning to you, @ParUbi! Steal away, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! @listener james knows what's up! @Doug, twist away!
	9:13am ?: Gorgeous stuff, Jeff! Glad to be keeping the tributes to Jan Erik Kongshaug going during The Stork Club later today. Between us both we can only scratch the surface of this guy's output.
	9:14am Stork: oops! forgot to ID meself on that last comment. Helloooo, Outsters!
	♥ 9:15am Jeff Golick: @Stork, my Sunday budday! Had a feeling that was you!
	9:16am Stork: None other, sadly... despite all the make-overs, i remain me.
	♥ 9:25am ParUbi: Is "Geometry" also "Geometry of Caves"?
	♥ 9:27am Jeff Golick: Yes, it is! The quartet appears to have adopted "Geometry" as the group name. (Remind me not to take my eye off of the decks in order to write a comment.)
	🦀 ♥ 9:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): …hopping aboard for the sonic journey with you! Greetings, Jeff and all d:O riders!
	🦀 ♥ 9:30am hyde: gooooood morning
	♥ 9:32am Jeff Golick: Welcome aboard, @Granny Spicy Tuna! What is up, @hyde? Good to see you!
	🦀 ♥ 9:34am hyde: just lazin' around and listening to DO Radio
	♥ 9:38am Jeff Golick: Hey, me too.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am WR: Requesting permission to come aboard for Destination: OUT, sir.
	♥ 9:40am ParUbi: Ooh, looks like that Geometry album comes out next month-- no wonder I couldn't find it. That track was delicious.
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: @WR, permission granted, and feel free to walk about the cabin.
	♥ 9:43am Jeff Golick: @ParUbi, glad you liked it; I keep coming back to that record. (Probably shouldn't be jumping the gun like that, though.)
	♥ 9:45am Jeff Golick: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and declare Katarsis4 the greatest sax quartet to come out of Lithuania.
	♥ 9:51am ParUbi: I have a fingernail's grip on Mandarin Chinese, but I was able to create a Xiami account for myself and clumsily explore the mainland Chinese jazz underground and make some penpals. There's apparently quite a scene in Beijing. I think fishing in distant or newly openned pools is so rewarding.
	♥ 9:51am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	♥ 9:52am Jeff Golick: WOW, @ParUbi, that sounds cool as hell.
	♥ 9:52am Jeff Golick: Greets, @coelacanth∅!
	♥ 9:54am ParUbi: Here's one guy I remember: 李鐵橋
	♥ 9:55am ParUbi: The characters google fairly well lol
	♥ 9:57am coelacanth∅: those characters bring many results on duckduckgo, none of which i know what to do with! - except some youboob videos for later
	♥ 9:58am ParUbi: I have to make that switch to duckduckgo, with Google's "don't be evil" becoming such a joke
	♥ 9:59am coelacanth∅: that's awesome you could do that though,PU -like knowing the secret password for a club
	10:01am Linda Lee: hello! love these beautiful sounds on a grey November day!
	♥ 10:02am ParUbi: It really felt like it too. I had to set up a VPN for streaming through Xiami. It was about as hacker as I've ever been.
	♥ 10:03am Jeff Golick: @Linda Lee!
	10:03am Linda Lee: hi Jeff! :-)
	♥ 10:04am coelacanth∅: i think i could only learn another language by being immersed. i've tried the formal way with no success but picked up phrases fairly easily around friends and family.
	♥ 10:04am ParUbi: Hi Linda!
	10:05am Linda Lee: hi ParUbi! :-) what's that image?
	🦀 ♥ 10:06am WR: Time flies, Ware transitioned in 2012.
	♥ 10:06am ParUbi: Haha, it's just some logs poking out of the water with an overcast sky reflected.
	10:07am Linda Lee: wow! i was guessing someone had painted some wood chunks against a sky. very cool.
	🦀 ♥ 10:08am fred: There have been a few Chinese people applying for jobs at work, but sadly it's not possible because of visa denial issues. The Man is worried about them stealing our business secrets. But if contemporary music is so big economically, how come funding is so scarce?
	10:11am Linda Lee: Jeff, your whole show gives me food i didn't know i was hungry for. thanks! :-D
	♥ 10:11am ParUbi: It cheers me to know, however, that there are experimental weirdos all over the world. So, with all the tension between our governments, there are just a load of freaks who want to connect.
	♥ 10:12am Jeff Golick: @Linda Lee, that warms my heart.
	10:13am Linda Lee: happy to do so! that warms mine! :-D
	🦀 ♥ 10:13am duke: Hello Jeff and everyone
	♥ 10:13am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @duke!
	10:14am davefromtoronto: this show is like a delicious meal but i have to finish the brussel sprouts to get dessert...
	10:15am Linda Lee: @ParUbi ~ 'course, the big boys in charge know no nationality ~ so these governments all connect on some level as well!
	♥ 10:15am Jeff Golick: Belatedly: I totally cosign the move AWAY from Google and to something like Duck Duck Go, which I have made my default search engine on all devices. I've been reading a book called THE AGE OF SURVEILLANCE CAPITALISM (Mark Hurst had the author on his show several months back), and it's blowing my mind.
	♥ 10:16am Jeff Golick: (of course, there is also google maps, gmail, google drive, etc. to worry about.)
	10:16am Linda Lee: refer to comment above. :-D it's madness to expect our new world to function like a 20th century place. heads up kids!
	🦀 ♥ 10:17am hyde: google is the worst
	♥ 10:17am Jeff Golick: Hi, @davefromtoronto! What are the Brussels sprouts? What is dessert?
	10:18am Linda Lee: i don't think we've found the means for active resistance quite yet, but some of us are working on it.
	🦀 ♥ 10:18am hyde: my favorite description of Google came from an ex exec there who called it "an advertising company with a lot of expensive hobbies"
	10:19am Linda Lee: ha!! good one. nice looking avatar ya got there, hyde!
	10:19am davefromtoronto: the brussel sprouts are usually the crazy sax solos - the rest is all dessert!
	🦀 ♥ 10:19am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, yeah, Linda Lee, some of us are working on it!
	10:20am Linda Lee: oh dear. here come the Lesspeyuns.. good morning hon!
	🦀 ♥ 10:22am hyde: @Linda thanks! it's a pic of my long gone one-eyed cat Satu
	10:22am Linda Lee: a special cat for sure. i can tell.
	🦀 ♥ 10:23am hyde: she was one of the greats
	♥ 10:23am coelacanth∅: i like brussels sprouts if they're done well. i Love David S Ware.
	10:23am Linda Lee: there's something about those black cats..
	♥ 10:24am ParUbi: @Coel-- I've been teaching myself Chinese with an app for years now. I've discovered that I'm forgetting the language as the same rate that I'm learning it.
	10:25am Linda Lee: @ParUbi ~ is that due to lack of conversational practice?
	🦀 ♥ 10:25am doctorjazz: Hello assembled Outies!
	♥ 10:26am coelacanth∅: oh ParUbi that's excellent! ...and terrible!
	10:26am Linda Lee: hey dj! :-)
	♥ 10:27am Jeff Golick: Yo, @doctorjazz!
	10:27am Linda Lee: my god look at that ram! almost a traditional symbol all by hisself!
	🦀 ♥ 10:28am WR: I couldn't tell when it transitioned to next tune until the trombones took over. Both tunes are out with swinging pulse.
	🦀 ♥ 10:28am fred: Yet there is a positive side to google knowing all about me: very ambiguous searches do come up with tour date for bands. Duck Duck Go doesn't find these. And I guess my search history is so specific that google doesn't bother showing me adds anymore
	♥ 10:28am ParUbi: @Linda-- Exactly.
	10:29am Linda Lee: so you can absorb, but the brain's missing the habit.
	♥ 10:30am Jeff Golick: @fred: that is indeed the trade-off. Whether google "knowing" you is a good thing or not is perhaps just a personal preference.
	10:32am Linda Lee: me, i'd prefer they didn't, if i can pick up the slack myself ~ ony because there's absolutely no way of knowing how your tracking information is being used & by whom. all kinds of folks who are interested in how you think & will pay to know.
	♥ 10:33am coelacanth∅: oh and @10.11 it's a great discovery. it's always come out in bits but over the last couple of years i've heard so much way-the-fuck out there music from far away lands, a lot of which was made decades ago, when my mind imagined such an ocean (pun intended!) between our worlds. ...yes a like little mycelium networks eventually stretching out to meet each-other and create a huge mycelium of freaks!
	10:33am Linda Lee: it's not what you buy, for example, but how. behavioral stuff. the way you make connections & process information. the way you communicate & with whom..
	🦀 ♥ 10:33am fred: My take is using/training google for music/work searches, and using Duck Duck Go for more personal things. I get tailored results when I need them (though I still haven't managed to get google to give me info about the Korean/Japanese band 01)
	10:35am Linda Lee: i think we can pretty much assume that we're all engaged in the development of AI now. so: behavioral stuff.
	🦀 ♥ 10:35am hyde: there's a fascinating WSJ article on Friday that details how Google engineers chose to alter the search algorithms so that it favored big businesses over smaller ones
	🦀 ♥ 10:35am doctorjazz: Cool set! (Reminds me...Maria Schneider will be playing in a few weeks, like hearing new big bands)
	10:36am Linda Lee: @hyde, i'll bet that's super basic stuff by now.
	🦀 ♥ 10:36am hyde: another cool factoid in that piece was that Google made $116 billion in advertising revenue in just the last year
	🦀 ♥ 10:37am fred: I should add that I'm pretty paranoid, with many email addresses and browser settings. I'll have to bring that down a notch because I ran into more issues than usual during the October fundraiser
	🦀 ♥ 10:37am doctorjazz: Got to see simmering I've wanted to catch forages Friday, David Grisman. Still Got his chops (and he's very cute).
	10:39am Linda Lee: the worst part of this is, there's just no way to opt out at this point. not really, if you communicate at all with anyone else on earth. so resistance will probably involve engagement, not ghosting.
	🦀 ♥ 10:40am hyde: @Linda Lee yep
	♥ 10:41am Jeff Golick: @LL: have you read this Zuboff book?
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am hyde: hmmmm, when i used to see J Mascis play drums in Deep Wound at the Greenfield Grange i would never have imagined thirty plus years later there'd be this
	10:41am Linda Lee: i haven't, but i do think i've heard him interviewed.
	♥ 10:41am ParUbi: This is another guy who was really active in the Chinese underground music community-- he's well known enough here now to have a bandcamp article about him! daily.bandcamp.com...
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): right on, Linda Lee! (and, hi! i was distracted by some secret Lesspeyun conspiracy there)
	10:42am Linda Lee: good for you, Granny! :-D
	🦀 ♥ 10:42am fred: @Linda Lee: Nothing new there: engagement gets more results than passivity
	10:43am Linda Lee: well said, fred.
	10:44am Linda Lee: i'm thinking passivity isn't even an option!
	🦀 ♥ 10:44am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yeah, fred (and hi!)
	🦀 ♥ 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): that was a fun cover of Petty
	🦀 ♥ 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yes, all us exhibitionistic accuchatters need a few accuvoyeurs to confound
	10:45am Linda Lee: actually thought it was an older Petty!
	10:46am Linda Lee: accuvoyeurs!! good one!
	🦀 ♥ 10:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): LL: that thought crossed my mind, too!
	10:47am Linda Lee: real similar vocal phrasing.
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): and, hey! all you lurking peepers, i dare you to jump in and say howdy at anytime, it's always a treat to get a fresh opinion around here
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am WR: This Made to Break tune is the first Vandermark project that I've heard I wanted to know and hear more. Always respected his playing but that cut, particularly the electronics with the saxophone swinging outstanding for my taste.
	♥ 10:49am Stanley: Howdy! But fresh opinion? You'll be lucky!
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): it's always worth a try, Stanley!
	10:50am fleep: Howdy! My opinions are worthless.
	🦀 ♥ 10:50am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i'll settle for moist opinion
	♥ 10:50am Jeff Golick: @hyde @ 10:41 - HA! @LL: Zuboff (a she, btw) was on Mark Hurst's show, a good listen: www.wfmu.org...
	10:51am John from Florham park: @Geanny I don’t know if this is a fresh opinion but I am digging the sounds in here
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): And there it IS!!! fleeeeeeeeeep!
	♥ 10:51am coelacanth∅: ParUbi i've got some bookmarked, Thanks when i searched before i entered "李鐵橋 jazz" and got a few music videos. i just took off the "jazz" and very different results. i still don't know what they mean though!
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): JfFP: [secret handshake]
	10:51am Linda Lee: ah yes. right! thanks.
	♥ 10:52am coelacanth∅: fleep! yours too?
	♥ 10:52am Jeff Golick: How do, @Stanley! You're as fresh as they come.
	10:52am John from Florham park: @Granny back atcha
	♥ 10:52am ParUbi: @Coel-- This is the evil of Google again, but Google translate is pretty useful with this kind of thing.
	♥ 10:53am Jeff Golick: @fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! Let us be the judge of that.
	♥ 10:53am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @John from Florham park!
	10:53am Linda Lee: so therein is our problem, ParUbi..
	♥ 10:54am coelacanth∅: it's true duckduckgo doesn't do the translation thing well
	🦀 ♥ 10:54am WR: I too admit no awareness of Kongshaug before now. There is an interview as reference link on his wikipedia page that is very interesting, modest guy or keeping his technique to himself, hmmmm. Wondering if Marion Brown ECM recording is on your list for today.
	10:54am John from Florham park: @Jeff morning back
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am hyde: but wait if fleep's opinions are worthless then isn't fleep's opinion on his opinions being worthless in itself worthless
	10:55am Linda Lee: i'm not sure we've ever known a more insidious danger to our common well being ~ because this one works from the inside, on what appears to be a voluntary basis.
	🦀 ♥ 10:56am hyde: (or hers)
	10:56am John from Florham park: @granny @linda lee what is this secret conspiracy you are talking about:)
	♥ 10:57am Jeff Golick: Hey, @WR, that Brown is an all-timer, but I don't think Kongshaug worked on that one - was recorded in NYC.
	10:57am Linda Lee: you mean the Lesspeyuns? heck they're everywhere!
	🦀 ♥ 10:57am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): JfFp: most men would like to know and very few would understand :)
	♥ 10:57am Jeff Golick: Kongshaug NYTimes obit: www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 10:57am coelacanth∅: and on my laptop gobble maps is far better than ddg's; but that might be a preferences thing i can change. usually i just pull up a map on duckduckgo and find the route myself... almost the old-fashioned way; rather than let gobble make my route, and know my whereabouts
	10:58am John from Florham park: @Granny ha ha ha
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am doctorjazz: Ida Lupino, no?
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): coelacanth∅: yeah, it's worth the adjustment, even if we've been acclimated to the relative convenience of gobble. What price this convenience?!
	♥ 10:59am coelacanth∅: hyde, good point. i don't think we should believe him; his opinions are not worthless...
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am Stork: Terje Rypdal's music can be skeery!! I've got one by TR coming up on The Stork Club. The "brief" tribute I had planned has grown like a magic beanstalk since this morning - it's now a rather lengthy affair, and I'm still discovering more - so I do hope you're diggin' the Kongshaug. Ooh! Bley!! Yay!!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am doctorjazz: My playlist doesn't seem to Havre it listed (it's or of sync with the audio)
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): fleep is our accuherder, i shall not rant
	♥ 11:01am Jeff Golick: Human error, @doc!
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am doctorjazz: Now it's there..weird.
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh this Paul Bley is lovely
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am WR: Be very careful with Gogg translation. I have several Chinese co-workers and when I use the machine translation for their social media sometimes it is really bizarre and if we weren't able check due to their being fairly fluent in English, major misunderstanding could result.
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am doctorjazz: Always did love this tune (Ida Lupino, that is)
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am hyde: i've got an Ida Lupino film (The Hitchhiker, a good one) playing in the background on TCM right now!
	🦀 ♥ 11:03am doctorjazz: Carla wrote it.
	11:03am Linda Lee: Granny, i'm seeing a society packed into a speeding car on a winding cliffside road & we're thinkin' about learning to steer! 'course it's a driverless car.
	11:04am John from Florham park: Oh and earlier you were all talking about Chinese jazz players too bad there is the Great Wall of China that you can’t hear stations like this
	11:04am Linda Lee: yes it's taking us places .. but, but..
	🦀 ♥ 11:05am WR: RE: the Marion Brown "Faun..." date, wow, misinformed since 1970 I have been.
	🦀 ♥ 11:05am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): Linda Lee: worry not, if we go over the edge it's usually a soft landing
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: I may be wrong about that, @WR, as this Maupin was also recorded in NYC so who knows. Those very early ECMs were not overseen by Either, I believe; he was given tapes.
	11:07am Linda Lee: ah! so it's safe to jump out early!
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: (Eicher, for Either above.)
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, i was thinking of the secret society!!!! hee hee!!!!
	11:08am Linda Lee: oh!! hahaha!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am doctorjazz: Didn't get to the ECM tribute, (Jazz at Lincoln Center), heard from someone there it was great.
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): as famous Lesspeyun wannabe, David Lee Roth, said, "Might as well jump."
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am doctorjazz: Though the rumor was that Eicher had some health issues
	11:09am Linda Lee: was he? outed!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:12am WR: Linda Lee @11:03, more problematic is that it appears driverless but several major forces are trying to control and are eyeing us as potential fuel rather than passengers.
	🦀 ♥ 11:12am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): WR: astute observation indeed
	11:12am Linda Lee: sure! someone created the damn thing & put us in it!
	11:14am Linda Lee: absolutely right on.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am fred: For a while I regularly annoyed DJs asking them to name who engineered their live sets. Until one influential DJ told me it was disrespectful to DJs, and to stop or else, so I stopped
	♥ 11:16am Jeff Golick: That is lame, @fred. Unusual, too, in my experience, as most DJs I know are all too eager to credit the engineer.
	11:16am Linda Lee: 'stop or else' ..? who's in charge here, Al Capone? :-D
	🦀 ♥ 11:16am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): so we disrespect engineers instead? huh?
	♥ 11:16am Jeff Golick: (to be clear: lame that you were told it was disrespectful.)
	11:17am John from Florham park: @WR more like Soylent green
	🦀 ♥ 11:18am doctorjazz: This Abercrombe is great fusion!
	🦀 ♥ 11:19am hyde: i bought this Old and New Dreams when it came out. so great.
	11:20am Doug Schulkind: Blackwell on this piece!
	11:21am Doug Schulkind: Sounds like three or four percussionists. Breathtaking.
	🦀 ♥ 11:21am doctorjazz: Great band!
	♥ 11:22am Jeff Golick: And the Drummer hisself emerges!
	🦀 ♥ 11:22am fred: His point was the DJ made things happen, he'd credit the engineer if they did a good enough job. But that call is his, not a mere listener's
	11:22am Linda Lee: beautiful work.
	🦀 ♥ 11:23am doctorjazz: He managed to get New Orleans feel initio 3a free jazz context.
	🦀 ♥ 11:23am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i have a friend who is a union light designer and the thanks she gets. oy, when she does her job well, no one notices
	♥ 11:25am coelacanth∅: fred, that "influential" dj sounds like an arrogant schmuck
	11:26am Linda Lee: sort of like a midwife, isn't she! :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:27am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): LL: let's see how far influential DJs get without compotent engineers, and how mana gala events succeed without proper lighting
	🦀 ♥ 11:28am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): *many
	11:28am Linda Lee: even better yet, let's not! :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): let's just credit each other for our work and leave the egos in the nap room
	11:29am Linda Lee: right on!
	♥ 11:30am Jeff Golick: Rare jazz French horn here, via John Clark.
	🦀 ♥ 11:31am doctorjazz: You could do many shows never leaving the ECM catalog!
	🦀 ♥ 11:32am fred: @GST: I think you can tell the most crucial jobs by how you only notice them when they mess up. Like foundation, you expect them to be there, until they're not, and then you're in trouble
	♥ 11:32am Jeff Golick: Yeah, ECM is sort of squeezing out my planned Roswell Rudd nod.
	♥ 11:34am Jeff Golick: @fred/@GST: I'm a book editor. I brought home a book I'd worked on recently, and showed by daughter. She asked, "Is your name in it?" When I said no, she lost all interest.
	11:36am Doug Schulkind: I believe Stork will be paying tribute to the “ECM sound” on the Stork Club, coming up next on the Drummer Stream.
	🦀 ♥ 11:36am WR: Damnit Jeff, you and the GTD stream commentors have done it again, I had planned to finish some work reports this morning and while I'm reading the NYT obit the wife says, when are we going to start making lunch and my work laptop was never opened. Another lovely Sunday morning with D:O.
	♥ 11:37am Jeff Golick: YES! You're...welcome, @WR?
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am fred: @Jeff: At least she's still showing interest in whether your name is in it, not hers. Count your blessings
	🦀 ♥ 11:39am doctorjazz: You've actually never left 1970s ECM.
	♥ 11:39am Jeff Golick: And YES: The Stork Club, up at the top of the hour, digs deeper into that Kongshaug Konception: wfmu.org...
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: @doc: yeah, made kind of a conscious decision to mine that period.
	11:44am Doug Schulkind: Drummer Stream 10th anniversary is coming up next summer.
	🦀 ♥ 11:45am doctorjazz: I hadn't heard he passed (what happens when you sleep in, just saw the obit). It's interesting how things/opinions change over time. The ECM sound, now pretty much universally praised, earlyon was criticized often for being "dry".
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yay, a decade of my favorite stream! By gum, i hope to be the one to adopt this stream next year, when fleep's turn ends
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am fred: @Doug: so the dreaded teen years are soon coming upon us (well, you)
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am doctorjazz: Almost went for the adoption myself this year...
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): doctorjazz: i tried, but that cunning fleep was too stealth and swift for me!
	🦀 ♥ 11:49am doctorjazz: Got to see Old and New Dreams, and once a duet of Blackwell and Cherry in a dive bar in the East Village.
	♥ 11:50am alanr: Thank you for including the 84th birthday man, Roswell!
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am doctorjazz: Great Show (as usual), Jeff, thanks! (Rudd was great!)
	11:51am Linda Lee: once there were dive bars packed with magic!
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am fred: You won't get competition from me. I take adoption way too seriously (my brother and sister were adopted). But you can fall back to a worthy show like this one
	🦀 ♥ 11:52am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): fred: i was adopted, too <3
	♥ 11:52am Jeff Golick: You bet, @alanr! Glad you are here for it!
	♥ 11:53am Jeff Golick: (@Doug: we should start planning the 10th bday party soon...)
	🦀 ♥ 11:53am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i take WFMU seriously, but fleep is another matter entirely! :)
	🦀 ♥ 11:54am fred: What does it tell about the station that instead of dreading the next marathon, we're planning for it months in advance?
	11:54am Linda Lee: thanks so much for a beautiful show, Jeff! perfect!
	♥ 11:54am Jeff Golick: My absolute pleasure, @LL!
	11:55am davefromtoronto: great show jeff - even the brussel sprouts tasted good!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): this Allen track is magnificent
	♥ 11:56am Jeff Golick: Yay, @davefromtoronto!
	11:56am Linda Lee: it helps if the sprouts are fresh & well cooked. :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:57am hyde: thanks!
	11:57am fleep: Cunning fleep just made himself a kugel while inspired by the ECM set. Full credit to the noodlemaker, Manischewitz. And GST, next year, this baby's yours, if we get the adoption board to play ball.
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am fred: Brussel sprouts are off limits for me (blood thinners) but this show is what I need!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, we must be OUT. Thanks, Jeff and folx!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am listener james from westwood: Lovely stuff for a gloomy Sunday—thanks, Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am doctorjazz: (Over time I've been able to listen with my wife around without headphones (you've helped, Jeff). Even went t to see BassDrumBone with me (wouldn't say she loved it, though...)
	11:59am fleep: Thanks, Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am fred: Thanks Jeff!
	♥ 12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! Excellent as always! take care
	♥ 12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thank YOU, @GST, @ljfw, @doc, @fleep, @fred, and @coel and all who lurk just out of sight!

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November 17, 2019: New & old, Kongshaug and Rudd.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970	0:02:08 (Pop-up)
Junius Paul	Bowl Hit "Bowl Hit" by "Junius Paul"	Ism	International Anthem	2019	0:04:35 (Pop-up)
Avram Fefer	Song for Dyani "Song for Dyani" by "Avram Fefer"	Testament	Clean Feed	2019	0:08:26 (Pop-up)
Geometry	Sun Grazing "Sun Grazing" by "Geometry"	Geometry of Distance	Relative Pitch Records	2019	0:12:07 (Pop-up)
Daniel Carter, Brad Farberman, Billy Martin	Prince of Naps > Prince of Hair	Just Don't Die	Ropeadope	2019	0:22:42 (Pop-up)
Aaron Novik	Room of Lost Love - Loss of Lost Love	The Hotel of 13 Losses	Aaron Novik	2019	0:30:09 (Pop-up)
Aaron Novik	Ballroom of Lost Faith - Lost Dignity - Lost Soul	The Hotel of 13 Losses	Aaron Novik	2019	0:34:25 (Pop-up)
John Chantler	We're Always at the End (Part 1)	Tomorrow Is Too Late	Room40	2019	0:36:56 (Pop-up)
Katarsis4	Vai capi as buvau sauna mergele	Katarsis4	NoBusiness Records	2019	0:40:15 (Pop-up)
Charles Rumback & Ryley Walker	Idiot Parade	Little Common Twist	Thrill Jockey	2019	0:47:01 (Pop-up)
David S. Ware Quartet	Reflection "Reflection" by "David S. Ware Quartet"	Théâtre Garonne, 2008	AUM Fidelity	2019	0:51:04 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"				1:03:04 (Pop-up)
Made to Break	Meccano Number 7 (for Julio Cortazar)	F4 Fake	Trost Records	2019	1:09:54 (Pop-up)
Keefe Jackson's Project Project	Dragon Fly	Just Like This	Delmark	2007	1:23:26 (Pop-up)
Matt Wilson Quartet	Why Can't We Be Friends?	That's Gonna Leave a Mark	Palmetto	2009	1:34:38 (Pop-up)
J Mascis	Don't Do Me Like That "Don't Do Me Like That" by "J Mascis"	Don't Do Me Like That	Sub Pop	2019	1:38:45 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Natural Food	Fair Breeze on Buzzard's Bay				1:40:59 (Pop-up)
Engineered by Jan Erik Kongshaug (RIP)
Jan Garbarek	Fountain of Tears - Part I and II	SART	ECM	1971	1:47:15 (Pop-up)
Terje Rypdal	Lontano II "Lontano II" by "Terje Rypdal"	Terje Rypdal	ECM	1971	1:53:24 (Pop-up)
Paul Bley	Ida Lupino "Ida Lupino" by "Paul Bley"	Open, to Love	ECM	1973	1:58:29 (Pop-up)
Bennie Maupin	Mappo "Mappo" by "Bennie Maupin"	The Jewel in the Lotus	ECM	1974	2:05:01 (Pop-up)
John Abercrombie	Red and Orange "Red and Orange" by "John Abercrombie"	Timeless	ECM	1975	2:12:34 (Pop-up)
Old and New Dreams	Togo "Togo" by "Old and New Dreams"	Old and New Dreams	ECM	1979	2:17:17 (Pop-up)
Jack DeJohnette	Dream Stalker "Dream Stalker" by "Jack DeJohnette"	New Directions	ECM	1978	2:22:54 (Pop-up)
John Clark	Silver Rain, Pt. III "Silver Rain, Pt. III" by "John Clark"	Faces	ECM	1981	2:28:41 (Pop-up)
Barre Phillips	Ingul-Buz "Ingul-Buz" by "Barre Phillips"	Three Day Moon	ECM	1978	2:34:42 (Pop-up)
Bill Connors	Sad Hero "Sad Hero" by "Bill Connors"	Theme to the Gaurdian	ECM	1975	2:38:32 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"				2:42:58 (Pop-up)
Marshall Allen (feat. Roswell Rudd)	The Summoning	Ceremonial Healing	RareNoise Records	2019	2:50:21 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975	2:56:54 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	♥ 9:01am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @fred, welcome, @holland oats!
	♥ 9:03am ParUbi: Good morning, exonauts!
	9:04am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...never know when the WiFis will be on to steal in my trap ....always righteous to catch most of D.O. !
	🦀 ♥ 9:04am listener james from westwood: Had a feeling we might be fêting that luminary today.
	9:05am Doug Schulkind: Sunday morning and my tatas are in a twist!
	9:05am Doug Schulkind: Speaking of a twist, I’ll be back after yoga.
	♥ 9:08am Jeff Golick: Good morning to you, @ParUbi! Steal away, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! @listener james knows what's up! @Doug, twist away!
	9:13am ?: Gorgeous stuff, Jeff! Glad to be keeping the tributes to Jan Erik Kongshaug going during The Stork Club later today. Between us both we can only scratch the surface of this guy's output.
	9:14am Stork: oops! forgot to ID meself on that last comment. Helloooo, Outsters!
	♥ 9:15am Jeff Golick: @Stork, my Sunday budday! Had a feeling that was you!
	9:16am Stork: None other, sadly... despite all the make-overs, i remain me.
	♥ 9:25am ParUbi: Is "Geometry" also "Geometry of Caves"?
	♥ 9:27am Jeff Golick: Yes, it is! The quartet appears to have adopted "Geometry" as the group name. (Remind me not to take my eye off of the decks in order to write a comment.)
	🦀 ♥ 9:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): …hopping aboard for the sonic journey with you! Greetings, Jeff and all d:O riders!
	🦀 ♥ 9:30am hyde: gooooood morning
	♥ 9:32am Jeff Golick: Welcome aboard, @Granny Spicy Tuna! What is up, @hyde? Good to see you!
	🦀 ♥ 9:34am hyde: just lazin' around and listening to DO Radio
	♥ 9:38am Jeff Golick: Hey, me too.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am WR: Requesting permission to come aboard for Destination: OUT, sir.
	♥ 9:40am ParUbi: Ooh, looks like that Geometry album comes out next month-- no wonder I couldn't find it. That track was delicious.
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: @WR, permission granted, and feel free to walk about the cabin.
	♥ 9:43am Jeff Golick: @ParUbi, glad you liked it; I keep coming back to that record. (Probably shouldn't be jumping the gun like that, though.)
	♥ 9:45am Jeff Golick: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and declare Katarsis4 the greatest sax quartet to come out of Lithuania.
	♥ 9:51am ParUbi: I have a fingernail's grip on Mandarin Chinese, but I was able to create a Xiami account for myself and clumsily explore the mainland Chinese jazz underground and make some penpals. There's apparently quite a scene in Beijing. I think fishing in distant or newly openned pools is so rewarding.
	♥ 9:51am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	♥ 9:52am Jeff Golick: WOW, @ParUbi, that sounds cool as hell.
	♥ 9:52am Jeff Golick: Greets, @coelacanth∅!
	♥ 9:54am ParUbi: Here's one guy I remember: 李鐵橋
	♥ 9:55am ParUbi: The characters google fairly well lol
	♥ 9:57am coelacanth∅: those characters bring many results on duckduckgo, none of which i know what to do with! - except some youboob videos for later
	♥ 9:58am ParUbi: I have to make that switch to duckduckgo, with Google's "don't be evil" becoming such a joke
	♥ 9:59am coelacanth∅: that's awesome you could do that though,PU -like knowing the secret password for a club
	10:01am Linda Lee: hello! love these beautiful sounds on a grey November day!
	♥ 10:02am ParUbi: It really felt like it too. I had to set up a VPN for streaming through Xiami. It was about as hacker as I've ever been.
	♥ 10:03am Jeff Golick: @Linda Lee!
	10:03am Linda Lee: hi Jeff! :-)
	♥ 10:04am coelacanth∅: i think i could only learn another language by being immersed. i've tried the formal way with no success but picked up phrases fairly easily around friends and family.
	♥ 10:04am ParUbi: Hi Linda!
	10:05am Linda Lee: hi ParUbi! :-) what's that image?
	🦀 ♥ 10:06am WR: Time flies, Ware transitioned in 2012.
	♥ 10:06am ParUbi: Haha, it's just some logs poking out of the water with an overcast sky reflected.
	10:07am Linda Lee: wow! i was guessing someone had painted some wood chunks against a sky. very cool.
	🦀 ♥ 10:08am fred: There have been a few Chinese people applying for jobs at work, but sadly it's not possible because of visa denial issues. The Man is worried about them stealing our business secrets. But if contemporary music is so big economically, how come funding is so scarce?
	10:11am Linda Lee: Jeff, your whole show gives me food i didn't know i was hungry for. thanks! :-D
	♥ 10:11am ParUbi: It cheers me to know, however, that there are experimental weirdos all over the world. So, with all the tension between our governments, there are just a load of freaks who want to connect.
	♥ 10:12am Jeff Golick: @Linda Lee, that warms my heart.
	10:13am Linda Lee: happy to do so! that warms mine! :-D
	🦀 ♥ 10:13am duke: Hello Jeff and everyone
	♥ 10:13am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @duke!
	10:14am davefromtoronto: this show is like a delicious meal but i have to finish the brussel sprouts to get dessert...
	10:15am Linda Lee: @ParUbi ~ 'course, the big boys in charge know no nationality ~ so these governments all connect on some level as well!
	♥ 10:15am Jeff Golick: Belatedly: I totally cosign the move AWAY from Google and to something like Duck Duck Go, which I have made my default search engine on all devices. I've been reading a book called THE AGE OF SURVEILLANCE CAPITALISM (Mark Hurst had the author on his show several months back), and it's blowing my mind.
	♥ 10:16am Jeff Golick: (of course, there is also google maps, gmail, google drive, etc. to worry about.)
	10:16am Linda Lee: refer to comment above. :-D it's madness to expect our new world to function like a 20th century place. heads up kids!
	🦀 ♥ 10:17am hyde: google is the worst
	♥ 10:17am Jeff Golick: Hi, @davefromtoronto! What are the Brussels sprouts? What is dessert?
	10:18am Linda Lee: i don't think we've found the means for active resistance quite yet, but some of us are working on it.
	🦀 ♥ 10:18am hyde: my favorite description of Google came from an ex exec there who called it "an advertising company with a lot of expensive hobbies"
	10:19am Linda Lee: ha!! good one. nice looking avatar ya got there, hyde!
	10:19am davefromtoronto: the brussel sprouts are usually the crazy sax solos - the rest is all dessert!
	🦀 ♥ 10:19am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, yeah, Linda Lee, some of us are working on it!
	10:20am Linda Lee: oh dear. here come the Lesspeyuns.. good morning hon!
	🦀 ♥ 10:22am hyde: @Linda thanks! it's a pic of my long gone one-eyed cat Satu
	10:22am Linda Lee: a special cat for sure. i can tell.
	🦀 ♥ 10:23am hyde: she was one of the greats
	♥ 10:23am coelacanth∅: i like brussels sprouts if they're done well. i Love David S Ware.
	10:23am Linda Lee: there's something about those black cats..
	♥ 10:24am ParUbi: @Coel-- I've been teaching myself Chinese with an app for years now. I've discovered that I'm forgetting the language as the same rate that I'm learning it.
	10:25am Linda Lee: @ParUbi ~ is that due to lack of conversational practice?
	🦀 ♥ 10:25am doctorjazz: Hello assembled Outies!
	♥ 10:26am coelacanth∅: oh ParUbi that's excellent! ...and terrible!
	10:26am Linda Lee: hey dj! :-)
	♥ 10:27am Jeff Golick: Yo, @doctorjazz!
	10:27am Linda Lee: my god look at that ram! almost a traditional symbol all by hisself!
	🦀 ♥ 10:28am WR: I couldn't tell when it transitioned to next tune until the trombones took over. Both tunes are out with swinging pulse.
	🦀 ♥ 10:28am fred: Yet there is a positive side to google knowing all about me: very ambiguous searches do come up with tour date for bands. Duck Duck Go doesn't find these. And I guess my search history is so specific that google doesn't bother showing me adds anymore
	♥ 10:28am ParUbi: @Linda-- Exactly.
	10:29am Linda Lee: so you can absorb, but the brain's missing the habit.
	♥ 10:30am Jeff Golick: @fred: that is indeed the trade-off. Whether google "knowing" you is a good thing or not is perhaps just a personal preference.
	10:32am Linda Lee: me, i'd prefer they didn't, if i can pick up the slack myself ~ ony because there's absolutely no way of knowing how your tracking information is being used & by whom. all kinds of folks who are interested in how you think & will pay to know.
	♥ 10:33am coelacanth∅: oh and @10.11 it's a great discovery. it's always come out in bits but over the last couple of years i've heard so much way-the-fuck out there music from far away lands, a lot of which was made decades ago, when my mind imagined such an ocean (pun intended!) between our worlds. ...yes a like little mycelium networks eventually stretching out to meet each-other and create a huge mycelium of freaks!
	10:33am Linda Lee: it's not what you buy, for example, but how. behavioral stuff. the way you make connections & process information. the way you communicate & with whom..
	🦀 ♥ 10:33am fred: My take is using/training google for music/work searches, and using Duck Duck Go for more personal things. I get tailored results when I need them (though I still haven't managed to get google to give me info about the Korean/Japanese band 01)
	10:35am Linda Lee: i think we can pretty much assume that we're all engaged in the development of AI now. so: behavioral stuff.
	🦀 ♥ 10:35am hyde: there's a fascinating WSJ article on Friday that details how Google engineers chose to alter the search algorithms so that it favored big businesses over smaller ones
	🦀 ♥ 10:35am doctorjazz: Cool set! (Reminds me...Maria Schneider will be playing in a few weeks, like hearing new big bands)
	10:36am Linda Lee: @hyde, i'll bet that's super basic stuff by now.
	🦀 ♥ 10:36am hyde: another cool factoid in that piece was that Google made $116 billion in advertising revenue in just the last year
	🦀 ♥ 10:37am fred: I should add that I'm pretty paranoid, with many email addresses and browser settings. I'll have to bring that down a notch because I ran into more issues than usual during the October fundraiser
	🦀 ♥ 10:37am doctorjazz: Got to see simmering I've wanted to catch forages Friday, David Grisman. Still Got his chops (and he's very cute).
	10:39am Linda Lee: the worst part of this is, there's just no way to opt out at this point. not really, if you communicate at all with anyone else on earth. so resistance will probably involve engagement, not ghosting.
	🦀 ♥ 10:40am hyde: @Linda Lee yep
	♥ 10:41am Jeff Golick: @LL: have you read this Zuboff book?
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am hyde: hmmmm, when i used to see J Mascis play drums in Deep Wound at the Greenfield Grange i would never have imagined thirty plus years later there'd be this
	10:41am Linda Lee: i haven't, but i do think i've heard him interviewed.
	♥ 10:41am ParUbi: This is another guy who was really active in the Chinese underground music community-- he's well known enough here now to have a bandcamp article about him! daily.bandcamp.com...
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): right on, Linda Lee! (and, hi! i was distracted by some secret Lesspeyun conspiracy there)
	10:42am Linda Lee: good for you, Granny! :-D
	🦀 ♥ 10:42am fred: @Linda Lee: Nothing new there: engagement gets more results than passivity
	10:43am Linda Lee: well said, fred.
	10:44am Linda Lee: i'm thinking passivity isn't even an option!
	🦀 ♥ 10:44am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yeah, fred (and hi!)
	🦀 ♥ 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): that was a fun cover of Petty
	🦀 ♥ 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yes, all us exhibitionistic accuchatters need a few accuvoyeurs to confound
	10:45am Linda Lee: actually thought it was an older Petty!
	10:46am Linda Lee: accuvoyeurs!! good one!
	🦀 ♥ 10:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): LL: that thought crossed my mind, too!
	10:47am Linda Lee: real similar vocal phrasing.
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): and, hey! all you lurking peepers, i dare you to jump in and say howdy at anytime, it's always a treat to get a fresh opinion around here
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am WR: This Made to Break tune is the first Vandermark project that I've heard I wanted to know and hear more. Always respected his playing but that cut, particularly the electronics with the saxophone swinging outstanding for my taste.
	♥ 10:49am Stanley: Howdy! But fresh opinion? You'll be lucky!
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): it's always worth a try, Stanley!
	10:50am fleep: Howdy! My opinions are worthless.
	🦀 ♥ 10:50am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i'll settle for moist opinion
	♥ 10:50am Jeff Golick: @hyde @ 10:41 - HA! @LL: Zuboff (a she, btw) was on Mark Hurst's show, a good listen: www.wfmu.org...
	10:51am John from Florham park: @Geanny I don’t know if this is a fresh opinion but I am digging the sounds in here
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): And there it IS!!! fleeeeeeeeeep!
	♥ 10:51am coelacanth∅: ParUbi i've got some bookmarked, Thanks when i searched before i entered "李鐵橋 jazz" and got a few music videos. i just took off the "jazz" and very different results. i still don't know what they mean though!
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): JfFP: [secret handshake]
	10:51am Linda Lee: ah yes. right! thanks.
	♥ 10:52am coelacanth∅: fleep! yours too?
	♥ 10:52am Jeff Golick: How do, @Stanley! You're as fresh as they come.
	10:52am John from Florham park: @Granny back atcha
	♥ 10:52am ParUbi: @Coel-- This is the evil of Google again, but Google translate is pretty useful with this kind of thing.
	♥ 10:53am Jeff Golick: @fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! Let us be the judge of that.
	♥ 10:53am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @John from Florham park!
	10:53am Linda Lee: so therein is our problem, ParUbi..
	♥ 10:54am coelacanth∅: it's true duckduckgo doesn't do the translation thing well
	🦀 ♥ 10:54am WR: I too admit no awareness of Kongshaug before now. There is an interview as reference link on his wikipedia page that is very interesting, modest guy or keeping his technique to himself, hmmmm. Wondering if Marion Brown ECM recording is on your list for today.
	10:54am John from Florham park: @Jeff morning back
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am hyde: but wait if fleep's opinions are worthless then isn't fleep's opinion on his opinions being worthless in itself worthless
	10:55am Linda Lee: i'm not sure we've ever known a more insidious danger to our common well being ~ because this one works from the inside, on what appears to be a voluntary basis.
	🦀 ♥ 10:56am hyde: (or hers)
	10:56am John from Florham park: @granny @linda lee what is this secret conspiracy you are talking about:)
	♥ 10:57am Jeff Golick: Hey, @WR, that Brown is an all-timer, but I don't think Kongshaug worked on that one - was recorded in NYC.
	10:57am Linda Lee: you mean the Lesspeyuns? heck they're everywhere!
	🦀 ♥ 10:57am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): JfFp: most men would like to know and very few would understand :)
	♥ 10:57am Jeff Golick: Kongshaug NYTimes obit: www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 10:57am coelacanth∅: and on my laptop gobble maps is far better than ddg's; but that might be a preferences thing i can change. usually i just pull up a map on duckduckgo and find the route myself... almost the old-fashioned way; rather than let gobble make my route, and know my whereabouts
	10:58am John from Florham park: @Granny ha ha ha
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am doctorjazz: Ida Lupino, no?
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): coelacanth∅: yeah, it's worth the adjustment, even if we've been acclimated to the relative convenience of gobble. What price this convenience?!
	♥ 10:59am coelacanth∅: hyde, good point. i don't think we should believe him; his opinions are not worthless...
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am Stork: Terje Rypdal's music can be skeery!! I've got one by TR coming up on The Stork Club. The "brief" tribute I had planned has grown like a magic beanstalk since this morning - it's now a rather lengthy affair, and I'm still discovering more - so I do hope you're diggin' the Kongshaug. Ooh! Bley!! Yay!!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am doctorjazz: My playlist doesn't seem to Havre it listed (it's or of sync with the audio)
	🦀 ♥ 11:00am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): fleep is our accuherder, i shall not rant
	♥ 11:01am Jeff Golick: Human error, @doc!
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am doctorjazz: Now it's there..weird.
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh this Paul Bley is lovely
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am WR: Be very careful with Gogg translation. I have several Chinese co-workers and when I use the machine translation for their social media sometimes it is really bizarre and if we weren't able check due to their being fairly fluent in English, major misunderstanding could result.
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am doctorjazz: Always did love this tune (Ida Lupino, that is)
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am hyde: i've got an Ida Lupino film (The Hitchhiker, a good one) playing in the background on TCM right now!
	🦀 ♥ 11:03am doctorjazz: Carla wrote it.
	11:03am Linda Lee: Granny, i'm seeing a society packed into a speeding car on a winding cliffside road & we're thinkin' about learning to steer! 'course it's a driverless car.
	11:04am John from Florham park: Oh and earlier you were all talking about Chinese jazz players too bad there is the Great Wall of China that you can’t hear stations like this
	11:04am Linda Lee: yes it's taking us places .. but, but..
	🦀 ♥ 11:05am WR: RE: the Marion Brown "Faun..." date, wow, misinformed since 1970 I have been.
	🦀 ♥ 11:05am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): Linda Lee: worry not, if we go over the edge it's usually a soft landing
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: I may be wrong about that, @WR, as this Maupin was also recorded in NYC so who knows. Those very early ECMs were not overseen by Either, I believe; he was given tapes.
	11:07am Linda Lee: ah! so it's safe to jump out early!
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: (Eicher, for Either above.)
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, i was thinking of the secret society!!!! hee hee!!!!
	11:08am Linda Lee: oh!! hahaha!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am doctorjazz: Didn't get to the ECM tribute, (Jazz at Lincoln Center), heard from someone there it was great.
	🦀 ♥ 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): as famous Lesspeyun wannabe, David Lee Roth, said, "Might as well jump."
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am doctorjazz: Though the rumor was that Eicher had some health issues
	11:09am Linda Lee: was he? outed!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:12am WR: Linda Lee @11:03, more problematic is that it appears driverless but several major forces are trying to control and are eyeing us as potential fuel rather than passengers.
	🦀 ♥ 11:12am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): WR: astute observation indeed
	11:12am Linda Lee: sure! someone created the damn thing & put us in it!
	11:14am Linda Lee: absolutely right on.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am fred: For a while I regularly annoyed DJs asking them to name who engineered their live sets. Until one influential DJ told me it was disrespectful to DJs, and to stop or else, so I stopped
	♥ 11:16am Jeff Golick: That is lame, @fred. Unusual, too, in my experience, as most DJs I know are all too eager to credit the engineer.
	11:16am Linda Lee: 'stop or else' ..? who's in charge here, Al Capone? :-D
	🦀 ♥ 11:16am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): so we disrespect engineers instead? huh?
	♥ 11:16am Jeff Golick: (to be clear: lame that you were told it was disrespectful.)
	11:17am John from Florham park: @WR more like Soylent green
	🦀 ♥ 11:18am doctorjazz: This Abercrombe is great fusion!
	🦀 ♥ 11:19am hyde: i bought this Old and New Dreams when it came out. so great.
	11:20am Doug Schulkind: Blackwell on this piece!
	11:21am Doug Schulkind: Sounds like three or four percussionists. Breathtaking.
	🦀 ♥ 11:21am doctorjazz: Great band!
	♥ 11:22am Jeff Golick: And the Drummer hisself emerges!
	🦀 ♥ 11:22am fred: His point was the DJ made things happen, he'd credit the engineer if they did a good enough job. But that call is his, not a mere listener's
	11:22am Linda Lee: beautiful work.
	🦀 ♥ 11:23am doctorjazz: He managed to get New Orleans feel initio 3a free jazz context.
	🦀 ♥ 11:23am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i have a friend who is a union light designer and the thanks she gets. oy, when she does her job well, no one notices
	♥ 11:25am coelacanth∅: fred, that "influential" dj sounds like an arrogant schmuck
	11:26am Linda Lee: sort of like a midwife, isn't she! :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:27am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): LL: let's see how far influential DJs get without compotent engineers, and how mana gala events succeed without proper lighting
	🦀 ♥ 11:28am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): *many
	11:28am Linda Lee: even better yet, let's not! :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): let's just credit each other for our work and leave the egos in the nap room
	11:29am Linda Lee: right on!
	♥ 11:30am Jeff Golick: Rare jazz French horn here, via John Clark.
	🦀 ♥ 11:31am doctorjazz: You could do many shows never leaving the ECM catalog!
	🦀 ♥ 11:32am fred: @GST: I think you can tell the most crucial jobs by how you only notice them when they mess up. Like foundation, you expect them to be there, until they're not, and then you're in trouble
	♥ 11:32am Jeff Golick: Yeah, ECM is sort of squeezing out my planned Roswell Rudd nod.
	♥ 11:34am Jeff Golick: @fred/@GST: I'm a book editor. I brought home a book I'd worked on recently, and showed by daughter. She asked, "Is your name in it?" When I said no, she lost all interest.
	11:36am Doug Schulkind: I believe Stork will be paying tribute to the “ECM sound” on the Stork Club, coming up next on the Drummer Stream.
	🦀 ♥ 11:36am WR: Damnit Jeff, you and the GTD stream commentors have done it again, I had planned to finish some work reports this morning and while I'm reading the NYT obit the wife says, when are we going to start making lunch and my work laptop was never opened. Another lovely Sunday morning with D:O.
	♥ 11:37am Jeff Golick: YES! You're...welcome, @WR?
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am fred: @Jeff: At least she's still showing interest in whether your name is in it, not hers. Count your blessings
	🦀 ♥ 11:39am doctorjazz: You've actually never left 1970s ECM.
	♥ 11:39am Jeff Golick: And YES: The Stork Club, up at the top of the hour, digs deeper into that Kongshaug Konception: wfmu.org...
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: @doc: yeah, made kind of a conscious decision to mine that period.
	11:44am Doug Schulkind: Drummer Stream 10th anniversary is coming up next summer.
	🦀 ♥ 11:45am doctorjazz: I hadn't heard he passed (what happens when you sleep in, just saw the obit). It's interesting how things/opinions change over time. The ECM sound, now pretty much universally praised, earlyon was criticized often for being "dry".
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): yay, a decade of my favorite stream! By gum, i hope to be the one to adopt this stream next year, when fleep's turn ends
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am fred: @Doug: so the dreaded teen years are soon coming upon us (well, you)
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am doctorjazz: Almost went for the adoption myself this year...
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): doctorjazz: i tried, but that cunning fleep was too stealth and swift for me!
	🦀 ♥ 11:49am doctorjazz: Got to see Old and New Dreams, and once a duet of Blackwell and Cherry in a dive bar in the East Village.
	♥ 11:50am alanr: Thank you for including the 84th birthday man, Roswell!
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am doctorjazz: Great Show (as usual), Jeff, thanks! (Rudd was great!)
	11:51am Linda Lee: once there were dive bars packed with magic!
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am fred: You won't get competition from me. I take adoption way too seriously (my brother and sister were adopted). But you can fall back to a worthy show like this one
	🦀 ♥ 11:52am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): fred: i was adopted, too <3
	♥ 11:52am Jeff Golick: You bet, @alanr! Glad you are here for it!
	♥ 11:53am Jeff Golick: (@Doug: we should start planning the 10th bday party soon...)
	🦀 ♥ 11:53am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): i take WFMU seriously, but fleep is another matter entirely! :)
	🦀 ♥ 11:54am fred: What does it tell about the station that instead of dreading the next marathon, we're planning for it months in advance?
	11:54am Linda Lee: thanks so much for a beautiful show, Jeff! perfect!
	♥ 11:54am Jeff Golick: My absolute pleasure, @LL!
	11:55am davefromtoronto: great show jeff - even the brussel sprouts tasted good!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): this Allen track is magnificent
	♥ 11:56am Jeff Golick: Yay, @davefromtoronto!
	11:56am Linda Lee: it helps if the sprouts are fresh & well cooked. :-)
	🦀 ♥ 11:57am hyde: thanks!
	11:57am fleep: Cunning fleep just made himself a kugel while inspired by the ECM set. Full credit to the noodlemaker, Manischewitz. And GST, next year, this baby's yours, if we get the adoption board to play ball.
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am fred: Brussel sprouts are off limits for me (blood thinners) but this show is what I need!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oh, we must be OUT. Thanks, Jeff and folx!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am listener james from westwood: Lovely stuff for a gloomy Sunday—thanks, Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am doctorjazz: (Over time I've been able to listen with my wife around without headphones (you've helped, Jeff). Even went t to see BassDrumBone with me (wouldn't say she loved it, though...)
	11:59am fleep: Thanks, Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am fred: Thanks Jeff!
	♥ 12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! Excellent as always! take care
	♥ 12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thank YOU, @GST, @ljfw, @doc, @fleep, @fred, and @coel and all who lurk just out of sight!

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