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April 6, 2020: Chris Gilliard on surveillance during corona
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Tonight: Chris Gilliard, privacy scholar, on surveillance during corona
Above: The Nib
About our guest, Dr. Chris Gilliard:
• Chris on Twitter: @hypervisible
• Chris's past Techtonic appearances: July 8, 2019 interview and Nov 25, 2019 Congressional testimony.
• Chris's website: hypervisible.com
News mentioned during the show:
• Doc Searls on Zoom's privacy policy (March 30)
• Zoom CEO's apology and next steps (Apr 1)
• Every Zoom Security and Privacy Flaw So Far, and What You Can Do to Protect Yourself (by Glenn Fleishman in Tidbits.com, Apr 3)
• Security and Privacy Implications of Zoom (by Bruce Schneier, Apr 3)
• Move Fast & Roll Your Own Crypto: A Quick Look at the Confidentiality of Zoom Meetings (Citizen Lab, Apr 3): "We discourage the use of Zoom at this time for use cases that require strong privacy and confidentiality."
• NYC forbids schools from using Zoom for remote learning due to privacy and security concerns (by Alex Zimmerman in Chalkbeat, Apr 4)
• Zoom alternatives in the Verge (Apr 1)
by Runa Sandvik
• 'Fever detection' cameras to fight coronavirus? Experts say they don't work (April Glaser for NBC News, Apr 27, 2020)
• Screening for Covid "by listening to you breathing over the phone." (here's my comment)
• How Racial Health Disparities Will Play Out in the Pandemic (by Julia Craven in Slate, March 30, 2020)
• The Digital Response to the Outbreak of COVID-19 (by Sean McDonald, March 30, 2020): "No matter your interpretation of the COVID-19 response, one thing should be universal: emergencies are not a blank cheque for state or digital platform power." Thanks to Chris for the pointer.
• Google revises COVID-19 ad ban after backlash (by Emily Birnbaum in Protocol, April 2, 2020): "Google on Thursday announced that it will soon allow political advertisers to begin running ads about coronavirus, walking back a stringent ban after facing pressure from Democrats who told Protocol it unfairly censored their speech about a pivotal election year issue."
• Zoom CEO seems to blame the user (via Tony Wan on Twitter, Apr 1, 2020): "We are used to working with clients w/ IT expertise in privacy and security."
• Mass school closures in the wake of the coronavirus are driving a new wave of student surveillance (by Drew Harwell in WaPo, April 1): "All of this surveillance," said Audrey Watters, a writer for the blog Hack Education, "is just not ideal for this very human practice of teaching and learning." ... "To take a test you need to let a stranger have a video recording of your room? Are you kidding me?" said Bill Fitzgerald, a researcher at the nonprofit group Consumer Reports who specializes in education technology.
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Handy Haversack:
Yeah, sometimes I have good experiences with jitsi, and sometimes it's unusable. Haven't been able to figure out if it's number of people on a single call or number of people using the platform at once.
But I do a bunch of scrubs after having to use Zoom, and as Mark is saying RIGHT NOW don't talk about potentially illegal activities, immigration statuses, or even politics that could be used against me in a _It Can't Happen Here_ happening kind of deal.
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Jitsi DOES work on Firefox -- it just says it's not optimized for it when you start it up.
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I can't wait to have people aiming their phones at me on the street and calling out "UNCLEAN! OUTCAST, UNCLEAN!"
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@handy yes disappointing... even Safari is essentially partially funded by Google, as Google pays Apple ~$9B per year to be the default search engine. You have to pick your battles, I guess... I favor Safari and Brave.
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@Fuzzy - Just installed CookieAutoDelete.
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Turns out, landlines still actually connect you with people just fine.
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JakeGould:
But let’s not forget what got us here: Straight out online and offline greed.
When the U.S. had strong Unions that protected workers, companies in the U.S. shifted manufacturing overseas.
Flash forward and we have China as a global manufacturing giant. Why are they like that? They treat their workers and general population like garbage. No protections.
Also look at why diseases like COVID-19 spawn. The Chinese government sees environmental practices as optional. The environment there is terrible and toxic. And it lends itself to breed disease.
Now we are suffering from it.
• The U.S. ships manufacturing overseas where protections are a joke.
• The U.S. government penny pinches so we have a barely functional health care system and national stockpiles for emergencies are eliminated.
• The U.S. pandemic response team, an idea spawned by George W. Bush and made a reality by Barack Obama was dismantled as an unnecessary cost.
This is complex in some ways, but simple. It’s all vile.
anon:
I don't have to use zoom every day. And I don't HAVE to see/hear/join these convos. I can live without. Should I just delete the app now and load it if I really have to in future?
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And, relatedly, does anyone make one-page sheets for just this purpose?
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...but yeah how do you tell people how bad gobble is when their heads are deeply buried?
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