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Favoriting April 13, 2020: David Sax, author, "The Soul of an Entrepreneur"

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Tonight: David Sax, author, "The Soul of an Entrepreneur"


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About David Sax:

• David's book: The Soul of an Entrepreneur: Work and Life Beyond the Startup Myth

• David's website: saxdavid.com

• David on Twitter: @saxdavid

Tech news:

• Privacy Cannot Be a Casualty of the Coronavirus (NYT Editorial Board, April 7)

• Apple and Google Team Up to 'Contact Trace' the Coronavirus (NYT, April 10)

• Answering the 12 Biggest Questions About Apple and Google's New Coronavirus Tracking Project (The Verge, April 11)

• The Coronavirus Is Showing Us Which Entrepreneurs Matter (David Sax in the NYT, April 10)

• How to Help in a Pandemic: Ask Before You Donate 1,000 Pizzas (Ginia Bellafante in the NYT, April 10)

• Google creates online unemployment application with state of New York (CNBC, April 9)

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  David Sax, author of "The Soul of an Entrepreneur," about entrepreneurialism in the age of corona.
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Listener comments!

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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Quarantonics!
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Carmichael:

Heya Mark. What should I be scared about today?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:01pm
ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtoncubines!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:01pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Particles! Tech gin is poured. All we need is ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtones!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonichomes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Webham, Carmichael (plenty), ultra, Handy, chresti, Bas! Thanks for joining in.
  6:03pm
johnzo:

not sick yet! my city’s a hotspot so... I may be soon!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry:

I've been involved in a few startups. Some made it to being bought out.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Handy Haversack:

Stay safe, johnzo!
  6:04pm
Dave Miss:

Hello quarantechos
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi @johnzo & @Dave!
  6:06pm
JakeGould:

Bet the n t Apple Watch will be able to take your temperature.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark. Who's serving the quarantinis tonight?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

You brought the blue skies to Brooklyn, Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jake - yes
@KfHP - thought you were bringing them!
@Handy - naw it was Olivia
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
ultradamno:

Amorphous Future, great new wave band.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
ultradamno:

By the way, Fauci just had to walk back his fundamentally true statements about how a quicker white house response would have saved lives.
  6:11pm
JakeGould:

@ultradamno: Grass is blue.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

It'll be like the new "Find My Phone" feature which will ask other phones where it is - not just WiFi or GPS location.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
melinda:

hi frenz
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

@melinda welcome!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:14pm
chris:

govt ask = indemnification of privacy law suits = more profit!
hi, Mark and folks.
  6:14pm
JakeGould:

@WebmasterHenry: Bluetooth Low Energy. Always be scannin’
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jake or scammin'
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@chris hi!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry:

Bezos Black Mirror...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm
Bas NL:

Experts in The Netherlands posed that at least 60% of mobile users should install a tracking app to be at all significant in halting the spread. South-Korea had some 16% app installed a week (?) ago.
  6:15pm
JakeGould:

*rimshot*
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm
Handy Haversack:

Though in that narrow example, not having a smartphone AND not shopping at Whole Foods seem like features, not bugs.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm
ultradamno:

Comedy Central came off with a short called Patty Cake that brings up Alexa surveillance as a Joe Rogan conspiracy theory. twitter.com...
  6:16pm
Sam:

Sneak in behind someone else? Go in the exit door?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

@Sam get ready for facerec to place a call to the local police.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
Webhamster Henry:

Obscure algorithm case in point: "Credit ratings".
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:20pm
ultradamno:

Well, we're already at a point where people treat you like you're amish if you don't have a smart phone.
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melinda:

@ultradamno true.
  6:22pm
The old pooperoo:

Actually, most of the Amish I've seen in the Wal Marts have smart phones.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:23pm
ultradamno:

Those are probably mennonites, not amish
  6:23pm
The old pooperoo:

Whatever, it still makes me feel kind of funny having a flip phone
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

1. get buzzword
2. Initial funding / stealth mode
3. ???
4. sucker some big fish into buying you
5. $$$$
  6:24pm
JakeGould:

On an NYC public radio station they had some “expert” on saying people should not be taking more money out of the bank during this Coronavirus crisis. Logic being credit and debit and smartphone payments are “safer.” Nonsense. Cash is very useful in a fractured economy. I can buy stuff off quickly with cash. Cash is not “dirty” enough to get you sick. But you can’t trace cash, right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham you've got it right. Though some startups skip step 3.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

the 3. is where they pretend to work, "work fast and break things" while they are disrupting .. usually their own employees.
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TDK60:

Hello.
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Mark Hurst:

@Jake good point. Wonder how they define "safer"
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Mark Hurst:

@TDK welcome!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:27pm
ultradamno:

Microdoses. They even ruined acid.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:27pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

This makes Joe Hollier's Light Phone seem more appealing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:27pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham employees? "We're 'disrupting' employees... let's have gig workers only"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

I paid with Apple PAu at the farmer's market on Saturday - they wanted to discourage cash and use non-contact payments.
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Mark Hurst:

@ultra "Don't do drugs, kids, or you might end up turning into a tech bro, which would be a shame"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

The market was limited to a small number of people, so we could be spread out.
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Mark Hurst:

@Webham how about I ball up a five-spot and toss it to them, can I still get a banana bread?
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melinda:

@Jake yeah, I've been using credit cards in lieu of cash lately but I fear that corona will be used as an excuse to go cashless in the future.
  6:30pm
JakeGould:

“Kids! Don’t do drugs! Unless you are entitled and white and have a great idea that can be distilled into an app with no vowels in its name!”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

@mark YOU TOUCHED IT! EEEEEW! VIRUSSSS!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:30pm
Handy Haversack:

"Going cashless" just means "going employeeless."
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jake "Silly rabbit, drugs are for Stanford grads!"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

School boards might be hoping for "Teacherless".
  6:31pm
JakeGould:

@Mark: They are riding on the myth that physical money is a dirt sponge. It might be. But it does not convey germs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
Mark Hurst:

Less is more (margins)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

Lots of my co-workers were Slavics and South Agents.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jake good thing there's no such thing as viruses online... the Internet is completely squeaky clean!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

South Asians that is.
  6:33pm
JakeGould:

Same public radio station had Mel Brooks’ son on yo discuss how pandemics play out. Dude has only written zombie fiction.
  6:34pm
JakeGould:

Coronavirus is like malware that has logged into my nose port.
  6:35pm
JakeGould:

I regularly pay cash tips even when the bill is charged and if I need to explain why then you’ve never worked a service job.
  6:37pm
JakeGould:

@melinda: Germs last longer on non-porous surfaces than others. Germs and bacteria die in wood and paper because they get soaked into them then suffocate. Germs thrive on metals and plastics if there is moisture.
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Mark Hurst:

@Jake reminds me of how Silicon Valley delivery startups were skimming the tips people were trying to give - via digital, cashless transactions - to gig workers. Any opaque transaction is an open invitation for Silicon Valley-style exploitation & abuse.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

How long will it take to invent a version of electronic money that isn't traceable? On my phone, say I transfer $20 from may bank account into a "petty cash" app and when I buy something, it takes the money from that? The vendor just sees it as a virtual $10 bill + $.67 in virtual coins?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
Webhamster Henry:

We had the Cicso Values™ on the little card we used to get into the building.
  6:38pm
JakeGould:

@Mark: Bingo!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:39pm
ultradamno:

The promise of a bobblehead at the end of the day is why most people sacrifice for the sake of personal ethics.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:40pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Ken welcome to crypto currency! but more in line with our values is local currency. If you are in the Hudson Valley (that Hyde Park), check out the Hv Current.
  6:41pm
JakeGould:

A museum in NYC once gave away free tote bags and admission for people who took a short survey. Part of the survey included providing your social security number.
  6:42pm
AG:

Love the interview Mark. Any recommendations on where to buy the book? Preferably maximizing the money to the author?
  6:42pm
The old pooperoo:

Survey: are you an idiot? Give us your SS number for the answer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
melinda:

@Jake I know. I've been using credit cards as a courtesy to the stores that want them instead of cash. They say corona lasts up to 24 hours on cardboard so I assume it's the same for paper money.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
ultradamno:

I read a story online about a woman in Florida (where else) who got arrested for putting plastic eggs stuffed with pornography in peoples mailboxes, but isn't basically this happening without consequence every minute? abcnews.go.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hint: give them someone else's SSN. Someone should dox Mitch McConnell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:45pm
Andrew Waterloo:

In Canada we have plastic money now
  6:45pm
Karl Marx:

I would disagree, David
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:45pm
Mark Hurst:

@AG thanks! I recommend the bookshop.org link at left - here 'tis: bookshop.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:46pm
Andrew Waterloo:

@Ultradammo, if that was Berkly instead of Florida it would sound like an art project
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:46pm
Handy Haversack:

The research is interesting, and it's always good to remember that the idea presented by finance and media is always whiter and younger than reality. But I remain extremely leery of solutions to the evils of capitalism that rely on more, different, or supposedly kinder forms of capitalism. I just have trouble buying that reality.
  6:47pm
AG:

Appreciate it. I will definitely be purchasing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:48pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Ah, so. Thanks, Henry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:48pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy - David Courtwright's book makes a good case that capitalism has changed (see archives)... also Jonathan Tepper's book from a couple years back (interview also in archives). Idea being that capitalism has gotten more rapacious recently... longer argument than I can put in small comment box
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:48pm
Webhamster Henry:

I got a little taste of the future because my electricity went out this afternoon - so that standard kind of emergency needs to work in a corona viral context.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
Mark Hurst:

@AG thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

Future: that is, the climate crisis billion dollar disaster season.
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UncleMarty:

The greatest foe of democracy is capitalism.
Fetishising the cult of entrepreneurship solves nothing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
Handy Haversack:

I hear you, Mark, and there are definitely pulses and waves in its rapaciousness ... but I think the nature of the beast might be hard to tamp down for long at a time. Peaks in high feudalism, early Industrial Revolution, and now as protections stop being enough ... I am not sure I think that the controls can ever hold it back on any kind of long-term basis.

Will go back to those archived shows! (And see if I posted the same comment!)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:52pm
Bas NL:

Over here there's local restaurants that cook for hospital staff too. They opened a funding campaign to cover the costs.. it works!
  6:52pm
Skitch:

Great interview! As an Antri-preneur myself, I'll look forward to this read.
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melinda:

@Henry yeah, everything being online and remote right now just makes me think even more about how fragile our systems are.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:52pm
Webhamster Henry:

Yeah people are making lots of masks and food in my area.
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Mark Hurst:

@Skitch thanks!
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Jeff Moore:

It's also the thing with feathers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jeff good one (and hi!)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hehe SHELTER IN PLACE ADVENTURE.
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Jeff Moore:

Hi!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
Handy Haversack:

Thank you, Mark, for another excellent program! Gonna start cooking so am saying my thanks now -- much appreciated!

(And Olivia on BOARD OPS -- thanks for bringing the blue skies back!)
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ratso:

thanks, that was really good. and I like the new image of the PC game.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy thanks for joining! Hope dinner is tasty.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & David! Thanks Olivia!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
Mark Hurst:

@ratso thanks. Sorry but we all have to play that game for awhile now
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Carmichael:

Thanks Mark. I'm scared now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm
Mark Hurst:

@Carmichael sorry not sorry
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

Cuomo gots to be Cuomo.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
chris:

Cobol programmers back in demand! hooboy. thanks, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

ADD A TO SUM GIVING TOTAL.
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melinda:

Small entrepreneurs are important. The alternative is all worker owned cooperatives and or state-owned business. I'm all for worker-owned cooperatives but it's unrealistic to expect that single model to dominate the whole economy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
listener james from westwood:

Mark, you are a weekly sentinel of tech accountability. Thank you for keeping us honest about keeping tech honest.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
queems:

LOLOLOL
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

@james appreciate your kind words!
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melinda:

@James I like that: weekly sentinel of tech accountability
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

Stick around for Vocal Fry!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi queems, lurker-until-now!
  6:59pm
Dave Miss:

Thanks Mark
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Well, at least he didn't as Farcebook to "fix" things.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

@melinda figure it's worth trying - "be the change you want to see in the world" and all that
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
queems:

@mark my cuomo rage brought me out of hiding
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark! You ... disrupter you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

@webham @DaveMiss thanks for joining!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:01pm
melinda:

@queems haha
  5:59pm
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