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Favoriting May 25, 2020: Steven Levy, author, "Facebook: The Inside Story"

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Tonight: Steven Levy, author, "Facebook: The Inside Story"


A Brief History of Facebook, by Jen Sorensen.


About Steven Levy:

• Previous appearance on Techtonic: December 18, 2017 episode

• Website: stevenlevy.com

• Twitter: @stevenlevy

• Book: Facebook: The Inside Story

• Wired magazine contributions

• Other Techtonic interviews on Facebook:
    - Siva Vaidhyanathan, author, "Antisocial Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us and Undermines Democracy" (June 25, 2018)
    - Roger McNamee, author, "Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe" (May 6, 2019)

Tech news:

• White Supremacist Groups Are Thriving on Facebook (Tech Transparency Project, May 21, 2020): "Facebook's 'Related Pages' feature often directed users visiting white supremacist Pages to other extremist or far-right content, raising concerns that the platform is contributing to radicalization."

• Facebook will pay $52 million in settlement with moderators who developed PTSD on the job (The Verge, May 12)

• September 16, 2019 Techtonic: Sarah T. Roberts, author of "Behind the Screen," on content moderators

• Why Facebook Censored an Anti-Trump Ad (by Steven Levy in his Wired Plaintext newsletter, May 15, 2020)

• Facebook and Instagram roll out Shops, turning business profiles into storefronts (TechCrunch, May 19)

• Grandmother ordered to delete Facebook photos under GDPR (BBC, May 21)

Resources mentioned:

• deletefacebook.com

• Invisible Hands

• Bed Stuy Strong

• New Jersey Pandemic Relief Fund

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techsbookies!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Question Mark and the Techterions.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicinsiders!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Canons!
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Webhamster Henry:

I read S. Levy's WIRED newsletter
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonilogicals!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Greetings, Mark and Techtobequers.
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brainiac:

I'm a Lud. There, I said it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
melinda:

Hi gang.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Mark Hurst:

ultra, Webham, Bas, Handy, chresti, KfHP, brianiac, and melinda, hi! Thanks for joining.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Baja Joe:

Hidey Ho Mark.
  6:05pm
JakeGould:

Work from home began for me on March 9th. So that is like pushing 11 weeks now?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Mark Hurst:

Greetings, Baja Joe
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Mark Hurst:

@Jake 11 sounds about right
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

Hey, everyone! I have been reading and mostly away from the keyboard ALL DAY. What a way to spend a holiday. Hope you're all doing OK.

Kate and I loved Scott's fill-in but sure missed Mark time.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Bas NL:

Google just told me on my android phone they have not seen where i am for a long while.. how nice.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

Yeah, March 12 for me, Jake. Today was revelatory.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
Bas NL:

I'm returning to work tomorrow. With all kinds of safeguards.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

The spectrum of douchebaggery there, Zuckerberg.
  6:10pm
TJP:

And you think Facebook doesn't do the same thing for radical leftwing groups?
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bud:

if fb decided what it policed, it would be described as fascist
  6:12pm
George in Bushwick:

what has become of ello and startpage?
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herb.nyc:

yes, Scott Williams did a great show last wk. I did a simple cassette trick circa 1987. I had 2 tape decks play into 1 recording tape deck and got diff content on left and right channels. My 90min tape became 180mins of poop!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
Baja Joe:

It's like the Kramer Coffee Table Book!
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herb.nyc:

Steven Levy back a 2nd time. Maybe he'll get it right this time.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
ultradamno:

And now Giphy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:19pm
ultradamno:

...it's for the data, man www.fastcompany.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:23pm
ultradamno:

Don't 'rascals' generally have facial expressions?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
melinda:

@ultradamno haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
Mark Hurst:

And moustache twirlers generally have moustaches
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:25pm
ultradamno:

Yeah, hoodie-fiddlers doesn't have the same ring.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:25pm
Handy Haversack:

Would sure be nice if Signal natively supported use that doesn't require a cell phone contract, though.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:27pm
ultradamno:

Never really thought about it before, never having had the urge to inflict a handlebar mustache on my face, that the twirling was because of the wax detroitbeardcollective.com...
  6:28pm
queems:

i hate instagram’s algorithm timeline
  6:29pm
queems:

i know that’s not what i’m supposed to be taking away from this but
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

What are the chances that Facebook will buy TikTok at some point?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:33pm
ultradamno:

Gyfcat was the other one I was wondering if they or a competitor like Amazon or Alphabet would scoop up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:35pm
Mark Hurst:

@queems algorithmic timelines are the worst.. and FB/IG absolutely depend on them financially
  6:36pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Hi Mark, great show. Not germane to this program, but possibly an idea for another? There are ads out there for what I can only call "smart guitar amps." You go, Alexa follow my guitar. And it supplies rhythm tracks. As a musician, I find this horrifying.
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Mark Hurst:

@KenfHP very low probability. TikTok is Chinese-owned with ties to Chinese Communist Party security services (which Zuck to date has been unable to partner with, not for lack of trying)
  6:37pm
queems:

@mark i just want people to see the pictures of my cat the minute i post them
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northguineahills:

A virtual Latvian friend of mine, hosts the Eastern Border Podcast: theeasternborder.lv , he's been in many Euro-American podcast history/tech podcast conferences.

He's Lativian, and his podcast, The Eastern Border,: theeasternborder.lv , explores contemporary politics b/tn Russia and the former eastern bloc, and the history and culture of the border region of Russia from the Tsarist times, to contemporary history. The focus pans to surveilence, and technology over the ages.

He recently posted on FB, a sardonic/ironic meme created by an artist friend about the conspiracies against Russia: theeasternborder.lv... (the artist was Russian, it shows a woman, w/ pride flags, Israeli and Ukrainian flags, a Nazi armband, masonic imagery, w/ dollars spilling out (symbolizing neoliberalism), stabbing the Russian bear w/ an american flag).

He was banned from Facebook, b/c offended Russians were offended by the image, and he was reported for hate speech. Even acast (his podcast host), temporarily banned him. This just shows the hypocracy that FB has for, "hate speech".

Mark, he'd make a good interview, if you want the point of view of a Latvian fluent in Russian and English.
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Mark Hurst:

@Peter good idea. Tentatively hoping to cover music + tech in next week's episode - we'll see
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northguineahills:

lo siento por, TLDR, wall of text...
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melinda:

I keep getting ads for men's clothing in my Instagram feed.
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Mark Hurst:

@queems oh it's such a simple solution, just pay FB/IG a bunch of money and they'll be happy to show your photos to your friends. everything on Facebook/Instagram is pay-to-play now. totally toxic & gross.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:39pm
Mark Hurst:

@ngh thanks for the pointer! I'll have to take a look.
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melinda:

Hate speech is a problematic concept to begin with.
  6:41pm
queems:

@mark i’ve heard that from my friends who own small businesses and use instagram as a platform to sell. it’s wild but not unsurprising. i do miss the days when the instagram was for filtered square pictures and youtube was a bunch of weirdos making videos that nobody wanted to watch
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northguineahills:

That was by far my longest WoofMoo comment, but, I felt it was precient w/ the subject at hand...
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melinda:

My facebook usage has not increased during quarantine. The new design is hideous.
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Mark Hurst:

@queems the internet still has weird & authentic (and non-pay-to-play) spaces - like WFMU itself - but they're not anywhere near Big Tech. For example - switching.software/replace/instagram/
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bud:

a reasonable expectation in a free society is that people can think for themselves. to the extent people can't discern fact from truth or make value judgments about what they read, our educational system is failing and our efforts should be focused there instead of asking corporations to restrict speech. why are we scared of people reading nazi propaganda?
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Mark Hurst:

@bud it's a different issue - FB is actually *suggesting* nazi propaganda to people, because it makes FB money.
  6:46pm
queems:

i’m going to read more about pixelfed, for sure. i still use tumblr to post photos but i know that nobody ever looks at them
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

@queems the more of us get off Big Tech services, the more of us will be on the weird/authentic services and will see your photos there
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melinda:

I still have a flickr account.
  6:48pm
queems:

@mark hope you all like pictures of cats
  6:48pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Mark, thank you. I am concerned by anything contributing to the dumbing down of culture.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
ultradamno:

twitter.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm
ultradamno:

Exactly. That kind of thing (the "what does he really think" question) muddied the water with Trump early on.
  6:57pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

queems I love cat pictures.. have 2 of my own.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Bas NL:

Lot's of court cases in The Netherlands at the moment on protection of personal information!
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bud:

i see fb and yt exposing how dumb people really are in what we thought were modern times. zuck appears amoral to me and i don't like seeing people i know in ways that i don't relate to them, but i don't get how it's harmful.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Corey:

Thanks for the great show Mark. One of the silver linings to lockdown has been that it's changed my Monday habits so that I can catch this show. Be well all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks for fighting the fight Mark!
  6:58pm
queems:

thanks mark, all
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Steven. Keep resisting!
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northguineahills:

Thanks, Steven and Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark. Another important show.
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bud:

thx
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, all! Appreciate you listening in & chatting.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

@Bas send over any good news of tech-related court cases from NL!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Healing vibes to Brian May.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:01pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Or: Haigvbst ra a.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:01pm
Bas NL:

I was just reading a great article in the news paper.. it's in dutch.. i'll see if there's international coverage!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:06pm
Bas NL:

Here's webpage of THE dutch watchdog on personal data protection. They enforce the new legislation. They are doing a good job and are handing out steep fines. autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl...
  7:41pm
JakeGould:

Hey! Here is the red wheelbarrow poem.


so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens
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UncleMarty:

Can't find the Scott WIlliams fill in as of this date .... help? (& yes, I have rebooted my PC)
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