WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 24, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtractionists!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Hey Mark.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Today, we all get to cancel with abandon!
	6:02pm Old Dave: This should be interesting!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyon Drives! The Techgin is Techrye this week, but definitely ready for some Techtonic. There were too many things I wanted to destroy, so I sent nothing in. Excited for the show, though! ultradamno, David, WHH, hey there!
	6:02pm Carmichael: 433 days and counting for me.
	6:03pm ARB: LoL Lantern Jawzzzz.... Hi Mark! Hi friends!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	🤖 6:03pm DjLorraine: Hi all
	6:03pm Rolando: Hello friends, Studio A, yay !!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: All hail the Skeletons!
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Subscribers!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: 💀☠️💯
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. Let's put the "no" in technology.
	6:08pm David in London: Handy, ultradamno, WHH, Carmichael, Ken et al. Greetings groovers.
	6:08pm David in London: Bas!
	6:08pm Feldpausch: At least we have choices... like WFMU chat boards instead of social media
	6:08pm Mike W: technology? heck no...um...logy
	6:09pm Ike: I'd ban your mom!!! Wait, that joke doesn't make any sense. Unless your mom is a robot in combat boots.
	6:09pm ultradamno: In most cases criminalizing uses of the technology is preferable/practical (not to sound like a 'guns don't kill people' guy) Hi DiL!
	6:10pm ARB: Love Neil Hamburger!
	🤖 6:10pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and Throwers of Technology into The East River listeners.
	🤖 6:11pm tim from champaign (now washington): Ike - please,please,please ban my mom! Please......
	🤖 6:11pm Folsom: Any discussion of Desantis signing the anti-ban law?
	6:11pm P-90: If digital technology suddenly completely disappeared tomorrow, there would be an enormous, all-consuming effort to create analog-based technologies that do all the things that digital technologies do, that people have lived with and won’t want to do without.
	6:11pm Carmichael: I say "convo" technology like Siri, Alexa, etc ...
	6:11pm Barbie: How about the ‘Link’ phone kiosks.
	🤖 6:11pm Folsom: If I could ban any technology, I'd ban the lever.
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Would ban whatever allows Corporations to track us & trace us & share our data across platforms - for the role this plays in allowing the Tech Monoplies to monetize us, our patronage, normal activity & even our identities. Also for the utter & willful lack of transparency this has always involved & represents.
	6:13pm WR: Is You Bet Your Life! available on a streaming service. Let me go look.
	6:14pm ARB: I prefer slow journalism, is that a movement?
	6:14pm Ike: @Barbie, Alphabet/Google would just create a new shell co. and make kiosks called Lunk NYC or something instead, LOL.
	6:15pm ultradamno: On the ipad mini I have the choice isn't home/chronological but a switch marked "see the best posts first" That's not too leading.
	🤖 6:16pm chresti: Ban auto correct.
	6:16pm ARB: This banned could be your life
	6:17pm ultradamno: Chresti FTW!
	6:19pm ARB: Right on Haley, not insane at all!
	6:19pm Rolando: or ... we could all "tell the truth, always", especially companies, and work for the good of the other person, in everything - loving listening to the listeners.
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening, WFMU Land!!
	🤖 6:19pm chresti: Hi ultra!
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: There have been streaming services that are lots better for musicians, but outside of Bandcamp, they are kind of unknown.
	6:20pm LiXiviated Life: We should ban banning
	6:20pm ultradamno: Hiya chresti!
	6:20pm castor: ban internet advertisements
	6:21pm Barbie: Agree Ike
	6:21pm adampsyche: oh lawd just give me a list of 12 and i'll pick 10
	6:22pm hoeg: LIX right on! «C'est interdit de interdire»
	6:22pm ultradamno: Has anyone said racist facial recognition?
	6:22pm queems: TOO FAR
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: Yay ARB!
	🤖 6:22pm tim from champaign (now washington): Down with Spotify! Up with Scottify!
	6:22pm ARB: THE ENTIRE INTERNET
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: WebHenry: Seems it's as simple as who's getting filthy rich & who's getting starved out. They stole the internet from us - & take no accountability for what they publish - either to share the wealth with creators, nor to moderate the harmful material.
	6:23pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark, i don't know if you've already done this, but perhaps a program on how Spotify and Pandora exploit artists.
	6:23pm moparlarry: I’d ban AI before it kills us. Hasn’t dystopian science fiction provided enough warnings about how it ends?
	🤖 6:24pm chresti: I hope bandcamp doesn't become a streaming service. ARB, how would we listen to your shows?
	6:24pm Feldpausch: ARB! I can live without internet but can't live w/o Cannibal Stew
	6:24pm ARB: I would start a mix tape by mail club don't worry
	6:24pm adampsyche: chresti its in their user profile right?
	🤖 6:24pm herb.nyc: Ha, no internet! Then mark becomes an fm RADIO dj playing MUSIC. I just asked Neil Hamburger- he is sooooo for it!
	6:25pm queems: i already said this on olivia’s board but i’d ban that robot that roams around stop & shop
	6:26pm Rolando: These are amazing comments, heart felt and all too real, its like we are afflicted with some sort of plague or illness, from which we wish to be released, ... we mostly hail from a time before technology, but imagine the poor souls born into this, they may not know a better way, for simpler way of doing things.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: Hey I'm a command liner from way back!
	6:26pm joe mulligan: @Herb, what's Neil Hamburger doing this Thursday? Cancel it! Neil Hamburger's in town!
	6:26pm adampsyche: ban drug tests (not exactly new tech but harmful)
	🤖 6:26pm chresti: Hi Mark! Is that Dean? Hi Dean!
	6:27pm WR: Dean! Haven't bumped into him in the comments in a while.
	6:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Smart thotful callers.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: Before the mouse there was the excellent light pen!
	6:27pm Feldpausch: Applause for no automobiles. Less autos, more bike lanes, more bikes.
	6:27pm Ike: @Queems does it still have those stupid googly eyes?
	6:27pm David in London: Doug looks like he’s beamed in from 40 years in the future in the Mother of All Demos. Astounding.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: I used two game paddles on an Apple ][ to act like a mouse in 1981 or so.
	6:28pm hoeg: using a mouse is like going to foreign country and just pointing and grunting
	6:28pm Carmichael: I was working at Intel in the early 80s. They were talking about this new technology called "the mouse" and also about "ethernet cards".
	6:28pm David in London: His original mouse was made of wood. As they all should still be.
	6:28pm castor: definitely should ban nuclear weapons, it's crazy we haven't yet.
	6:28pm ultradamno: Splinters! That'll learn 'em!
	6:29pm HyperDose: Yayy Henry!
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: I ban myself!
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: Hi Adam, what's in their user profile?
	🤖 6:30pm DjLorraine: I hadn't thought about that
	6:31pm ultradamno: There should be no telephone you can talk on while walking around in a supermarket.
	6:31pm adampsyche: heya chresti, the section that says "Hosts these programs:"
	6:31pm Feldpausch: Hi Chresti. Who's profile?
	🤖 6:32pm herb.nyc: Wait, webhamster henry submitted TWICE. That’s not right.
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also fun would be an app that asks "why?" to every question or phone call.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): I understand, Webhamster. I've felt like calling the cops on myself on occasion.
	🤖 6:32pm DjLorraine: Bring back the real phone operators oh yes please
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: Neil? Thursday? I’m calling a mulligan!
	6:33pm S.: Enjoying all your shows! Your topics and the idea is vitally important! I’d like to share with you one book that I’ve recently read, and if you didn’t read it, I think it might be quite interesting for you and I imagine for most your listeners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostCapitalism
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: One of us clearly fails CAPTCHAs.
	6:33pm adampsyche: no give us Kramer "why don't you just tell me the movie that you'd like to go to tonight"
	6:33pm Carmichael: Ha, my sister was an operator in the 60s.
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: I actually made a musical sampler instrument out of those robocalls.
	6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...you mean - you don't like being patronized - by not even a human being ?? Like you don't matter / the problem is you not their service ??...
	6:34pm ARB: More than that it's the saccharine insincerity that phone tech operators are required to pour upon us "I just want to thank you SO much for choosing Page Plus Cellular, it means so much to us..."
	6:34pm joe mulligan: I've spent about 6 months saying yes to all the extended auto warranty people, and actually getting a human. when they ask what car I have I tell them a 1990 Tesla. they hang up. now they dont even call me anyomre
	6:34pm Fuzzy: Your call is important to us!
	6:34pm David in London: And please don’t play Vivaldi’s Four fucking Seasons for the BILLIONTH time whilst I’m on hold!
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: joe love it !
	🤖 6:35pm chresti: Adam, I was asking ARB how we would listen to her show if there was no internet.
	6:35pm Richard S: I'd ban SMART HOMES - or "smart devices" i general. Your refrigerator does NOT need to be connected to the Internet. Your car most certainly doesn't.
	6:36pm moparlarry: Add Siri to the list- if you have any regional dialect, you might as well be talking to a brick
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Headphones = Choice. For You & the Other.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: @Fuzzy here's something I made some years ago: www.echonyc.com...
	🤖 6:36pm tim from champaign (now washington): As much as I love music, keep it inside!
	6:36pm HyperDose: Bluetooth degrades audio quality. Only buy high-end speakers and headphones if you have to.
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: They'd use batteries.
	6:36pm joe mulligan: haha @Herb it was a skit Neil Hamburger did in the past www.youtube.com...
	6:36pm ultradamno: Also, loud speakers on motorcycles! That's a hat on a hat as far as being a nuisance goes.
	6:37pm markinbrooklyn: Ban bluetooth speakers in public! Make it illegal to use speakerphone in public!
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Clearly you were on the train with Gaylord.
	6:38pm David in London: Also video advertisements on the escalators at tube stations (subway stations). Visual pollution.
	6:38pm adampsyche: ah ty chresti, gotcha. yeah, without internet, no woof moo for me.
	6:38pm ultradamno: I love my Riva bluetooth speakers (though only the early pre-smart Turbo)
	🤖 6:38pm DjLorraine: Auto correct needs to go, I agree
	6:39pm casey: it's not the technology. most technology is fine given respectful use. it's the fact that our government gives most of their attention to companies and little attention to the safety and welfare of the people. protect the commons. digital, actual, virtual etc.
	6:40pm HyperDose: @adampsyche Have you tried cupping your hand to your ear to try and pick up 91.1? Works sometimes
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AUTOINCORRECT ! Ding ding ding... Honestly - useful when it helps - so so so continuously aggravating when it does not ! Needs an overhaul @ the least.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: I used to live in the Car Alarm district of Brooklyn. My kid was born at home to the sound of a car alarm.
	6:40pm ultradamno: Plus no one has ever responded to a car alarm as intended. Also, and said this one a week or two ago, consumer semi-automatic firearms.
	6:40pm ARB: My next door neighbor sets off his own car alarm all night with a remote control, to punish his girlfriend when they get in a fight.
	6:41pm moparlarry: Casey nailed it
	6:41pm JT: Mark, you can’t arbitrate taste. While I too would agree with the music choice, I would still want the Bluetooth listener to wear headphones.
	6:41pm adampsyche: BOATS THAT CAN'T BEND: the suez canal blocking boat could have been bent and it can free itself: hyperdose: that only works for goatie white's show
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Thunderstorms used to set them off in concert.
	6:42pm TDK60: Hello Mark. Late so will listen.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Also: the sound of raking leaves is great!
	6:42pm Feldpausch: Good lord the leaf blowers. This strikes a nerve. Noise pollution plus air pollution. Stop this.
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: I was at an outdoor concert that set off the car alarms in the parking lot. Yes, ban leafblowers.
	6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: casey yes well said. As this Program has articulated explicitly - it's a question now of : What are Human People for - ?!?? The Tech Monopolies & their Crapitalist production have more recognition & power than us now...
	6:43pm ed: Spot on Mark. Leaf Blowers! Idiot devices. EWspecially when they're used on went rainy and windy days!
	6:43pm Glenn: We banned leaf blowers in Maplewood
	6:43pm ARB: Wack the Weedwacker while you're at it
	6:43pm Fuzzy: Yes -- car alarms and leaf blowers can go fuck themselves!
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bluetooth speakers around the house work great for me. I can bring the tunes downstairs to the laundry room or upstairs to the bathroom, etc. Using them on a subway is obnoxious.
	🤖 6:43pm tim from champaign (now washington): Let's all pitch in to purchase an already polluted waterfront so that Mark can safely blow off steam and chuck tech items into the water to his hearts content.
	6:44pm Fuzzy: Ban lawns -- total waste of time and resources!
	6:44pm HyperDose: @Glenn I just moved from there. That was an eventful MOL thread. So electric are banned now too?
	6:44pm ARB: Ban Humans
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: Franco LOVES to use the leafblower.
	6:44pm adampsyche: i'm with fuzzy and now i'm with ARB
	6:44pm ultradamno: Or even a rake
	6:44pm Glenn: No electric are permitted
	🤖 6:44pm DjLorraine: Or change the angle of the leaf blower
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: You can also use a flamethrower.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hilarious. Awful - but hilarious.
	🤖 6:45pm tim from champaign (now washington): Man, if you get paid by the hour, use a goddamn broom.
	6:45pm Old Dave: Know what you mean. There is no place safe from leaf blowers. Pushing dust and pollen into my home and car as if I dont have enough
	6:45pm moparlarry: An old man in the neighborhood uses the leaf blower for everything- leafs, snow, dust. He’s clearly retired and needs a hobby instead of REEEEEEEEEEEEEE at 8am
	6:45pm pgalub: I read once that some car thieves intentionally set off car alarms before they smash the window to cover up the sound of the glass breaking. People are that used to the sound of car alarms.
	6:45pm Matt: And in the suburbs, leaf blowers throw organic matter into streams and watersheds and cause nitrogen pollution and harmful algae blooms.
	6:46pm P-90: Thanks! @Ten (plus one) Listener contributors
	6:46pm ARB: I like leaves, even dead ones
	🤖 6:46pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Me too, ARB.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: I was gonna submit a NO to food delivery apps. But Neil told me no. But Bitcoin, yeah, maybe toss that technology.
	6:47pm ultradamno: By the way, I saw Dan Harmon is doing some kind of series through a blockchain network (I understand any of this but something in it has to be banned)
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Minor technology complaint: I bought an electric lawn mower the other day and to register the warranty they want me to create an account on their web site. I don't want to create an account. Ban the requirement for creating accounts to register products!
	6:47pm JT: Ditto leaf blowers and car alarms
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Mark: don't forget to NFT the show when you a're done.
	6:48pm ultradamno: ....don't understand, rather.
	6:48pm Justin: I hate leaf blowers but they are a necessary evil in the world of residential and commercial landscaping. If I didn’t have clean sidewalks at the end of a job I wouldn’t get paid. No possible way I’m sweeping up 500 feet of sidewalk per job.
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: re dead leaves, my p-t job involves COMPOSTing
	🤖 6:48pm tim from champaign (now washington): Wait...Elon Musk was using SNL to hawk his shit?
	6:49pm Carmichael: Just like every other actor, singer, athlete, etc ...
	6:49pm TDK60: Can we ban those fake chorus gizmos "singers" use?
	6:50pm ARB: Please ban autotune!
	6:50pm ultradamno: But everyone focused on how brave he was for "coming out" as on the spectrum and not how much more bitcoin material there suddenly was on SNL
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...What's that word ?? Douchecoin ??...
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What about Tulips in Medieval Holland ??
	6:51pm ultradamno: There was also a distinct lack of material about calling first responders "pedophiles"
	6:51pm HyperDose: @ARB But that would make SoundCloud obsolete!
	6:52pm adampsyche: can we ban SF interbreeding of software devs? www.newsbreak.com...
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...next thing you know an UnrealityTV villain is POTUS...
	6:53pm David in London: Can we ban WeWork? That styled itself as ‘tech company’, so it can make the list.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: The article is right: Dogecoin has always been a joke. I'm trying to get some Exposure Coin: ruefish.com...
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: Been driving the truck, have not been able to comment but, Oh. Do I have subway stories...
	6:54pm Androu B.: Any technology that can be exploited by fringe extremist groups and other rogue elements begs to be banned. Here's a thought: Why not have retailers conduct a background check for each and every consumer who intends to purchase a computer, phone, or other tech device with internet connectivity, the same way they do for gun purchasers. This way, anyone found to exploit said tech to encourage hate-mongering or extremist activity over the net could be traced and prosecuted. That may sound like I'm encouraging a police state, but with so much concern over extremist activity following the Insurgence, we desperately need a solution to discourage Pro-Trumpers and fringies from corrupting our collective way of life @Carmichael & @Richard S. I second both your suggestions.
	6:55pm Old Dave: herb- going on 28 years as a compost maker in the tons range. And got into bio char last year. A lot of work actually but maybe a "coin" will arrive to reward us someday?
	6:55pm ultradamno: So he made his tweet into a...snapchat? Is that the one where messages self destructed?
	6:55pm Mennlinn Rebarts: How about "Douche-coin"
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: @Castor @6:28 “How many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned?” Yeah.
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Where's that red pill again?
	6:56pm Fuzzy: Gaslight (GSL)
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: The case to ban nosy listening devices: www.gocomics.com... Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Sounds a lot like the 45th President's call to action on 1/6 and the "that's not what I intended" explanation.
	6:57pm ultradamno: And the made a joke about it being "a hustle" on update. Just laying out there because, cynically, it won't make a difference.
	🤖 6:57pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Awesome program, as always!
	6:57pm castor: oh I'm always wearing my skepticles
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Ban the moving image!!! It’s time has come
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark! This was a fun show!
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm ultradamno: Double your fry!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm P-90: Thanks Mark. Enjoy that week in Tahiti!
	6:58pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark & ya’ll!!! Great show
	6:58pm wendy del formaggio: Thank you, Mark! Stay safe and healthy.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: I like listener participation! Also, now all the sports equipment can go back in your closet!
	6:58pm Fuzzy: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Sorry didn't have much time to be on the comment board this evening.
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: But good comments & thanks to all the listeners who sent in submissions.
	6:59pm JT: Thanks Mark … great show
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: @JT @Fuzzy @Webham @Wendy @Paul @Stillwell @P-90 @Handy @ultra @carmichael & everyone else - thanks! See you in 2 weeks!
	🤖 7:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, Mecha Maiko!
	10:45pm Firebottle: From the future... the last part of this show sounds like an episode of Loudermilk.
	3:04pm UncleMarty: Late, agree re noise pollution - super stressful: Car Alarm w/out shut off is illegal. I have used a 8x11 Avery label on front windshield pointing this out. Car straight pipe exhaust modifications break 140 decibels & set off all car alarms in area & are illegal. * Small IC motors (leaf blowers) pollute more per minute than a 1950s car and have no muffler. Lastly: Light pollution - bring back the stars !

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 24, 2021

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May 24, 2021: Listeners banning tech

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Tonight: Listeners banning tech

On the April 26 show we spoke with Dennis Glover about his novel Factory 19, in which a group of people in Hobart, Australia ban all technology invented after 1948. I asked listeners to send in short audio reflections describing what one tech they would ban. We'll hear them tonight.

Links:

• Dogecoin Is Up Because It’s Funny (by Matt Levine in Bloomberg, May 6, 2021): “At some point, something is just real,” said Sam Bankman-Fried, the Hong Kong-based chief executive officer of the FTX crypto exchange. “If Dogecoin is stupid and valueless, it shouldn’t be worth $90 billion. How about gold or Bitcoin or euros? Our collective imagination has given them value, and now we just think about them having value.”
. . .
Dogecoin, started in 2013 as a joke based on the Shiba Inu breed of dog, may become so accepted by the mainstream it might evolve into a payment option at retailers . . . Just imagine traveling 10 years back in time and trying to explain this to someone; just imagine what an idiot you’d feel like. “There’s going to be this online currency that people think is a form of digital gold, and then there’s going to be a different online currency that is a parody of the first one based on a meme about a talking Shiba Inu, and that one will have a market capitalization bigger than 80% of the companies in the S&P 500, and its value will fluctuate based on things like who is hosting ‘Saturday Night Live’ and whether people tweet a hashtag about it on the pot-joke holiday, and Bloomberg will write articles and banks will write research notes about those sorts of catalysts, and it will remain a perfectly ridiculous content-free parody even as people properly take it completely seriously because there are billions of dollars at stake.”

• A Dogecoin cocreator called Elon Musk a 'self-absorbed grifter' in a now deleted tweet after Tesla said it would stop accepting payment in bitcoin (Business Insider, May 14, 2021): "Jackson Palmer said, 'Reminder: Elon Musk is and always will be a self-absorbed grifter.' He also said in a follow-up tweet that he would be 'removing this in 1 min as that's all I have to say and I enjoy the quiet life.'"

• Citizen CEO Offered To Personally Fund La Arson Manhunt — For The Wrong Person (by Scott Morris in The Verge, May 21, 2021): "As wildfires raged through Southern California last weekend, an app called Citizen offered an unorthodox bounty over livestream and in push alerts to local residents: “hunt down” the alleged arsonist, and we’ll give you $30,000 cash. In the hours that followed, it became clear the app was mistaken. The man pictured had no connection to the fires, and once he was located by law enforcement, he was quickly released for lack of evidence. 'We are actively working to improve our internal processes to ensure this does not occur again,' the company said in a statement after the release. 'This was a mistake we are taking very seriously.'"

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Listeners banning tech: 10 listeners describe what technology they'd ban.
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	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Listeners banning tech "Listeners banning tech"	0:19:59 (Pop-up)
Spitting Image	I'm a Car Man "I'm a Car Man" by "Spitting Image"	0:44:21 (Pop-up)
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Mecha Maiko	Meet Me At The Arcade	0:56:00 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtractionists!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Hey Mark.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Today, we all get to cancel with abandon!
	6:02pm Old Dave: This should be interesting!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyon Drives! The Techgin is Techrye this week, but definitely ready for some Techtonic. There were too many things I wanted to destroy, so I sent nothing in. Excited for the show, though! ultradamno, David, WHH, hey there!
	6:02pm Carmichael: 433 days and counting for me.
	6:03pm ARB: LoL Lantern Jawzzzz.... Hi Mark! Hi friends!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	🤖 6:03pm DjLorraine: Hi all
	6:03pm Rolando: Hello friends, Studio A, yay !!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: All hail the Skeletons!
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Subscribers!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: 💀☠️💯
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. Let's put the "no" in technology.
	6:08pm David in London: Handy, ultradamno, WHH, Carmichael, Ken et al. Greetings groovers.
	6:08pm David in London: Bas!
	6:08pm Feldpausch: At least we have choices... like WFMU chat boards instead of social media
	6:08pm Mike W: technology? heck no...um...logy
	6:09pm Ike: I'd ban your mom!!! Wait, that joke doesn't make any sense. Unless your mom is a robot in combat boots.
	6:09pm ultradamno: In most cases criminalizing uses of the technology is preferable/practical (not to sound like a 'guns don't kill people' guy) Hi DiL!
	6:10pm ARB: Love Neil Hamburger!
	🤖 6:10pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and Throwers of Technology into The East River listeners.
	🤖 6:11pm tim from champaign (now washington): Ike - please,please,please ban my mom! Please......
	🤖 6:11pm Folsom: Any discussion of Desantis signing the anti-ban law?
	6:11pm P-90: If digital technology suddenly completely disappeared tomorrow, there would be an enormous, all-consuming effort to create analog-based technologies that do all the things that digital technologies do, that people have lived with and won’t want to do without.
	6:11pm Carmichael: I say "convo" technology like Siri, Alexa, etc ...
	6:11pm Barbie: How about the ‘Link’ phone kiosks.
	🤖 6:11pm Folsom: If I could ban any technology, I'd ban the lever.
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Would ban whatever allows Corporations to track us & trace us & share our data across platforms - for the role this plays in allowing the Tech Monoplies to monetize us, our patronage, normal activity & even our identities. Also for the utter & willful lack of transparency this has always involved & represents.
	6:13pm WR: Is You Bet Your Life! available on a streaming service. Let me go look.
	6:14pm ARB: I prefer slow journalism, is that a movement?
	6:14pm Ike: @Barbie, Alphabet/Google would just create a new shell co. and make kiosks called Lunk NYC or something instead, LOL.
	6:15pm ultradamno: On the ipad mini I have the choice isn't home/chronological but a switch marked "see the best posts first" That's not too leading.
	🤖 6:16pm chresti: Ban auto correct.
	6:16pm ARB: This banned could be your life
	6:17pm ultradamno: Chresti FTW!
	6:19pm ARB: Right on Haley, not insane at all!
	6:19pm Rolando: or ... we could all "tell the truth, always", especially companies, and work for the good of the other person, in everything - loving listening to the listeners.
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening, WFMU Land!!
	🤖 6:19pm chresti: Hi ultra!
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: There have been streaming services that are lots better for musicians, but outside of Bandcamp, they are kind of unknown.
	6:20pm LiXiviated Life: We should ban banning
	6:20pm ultradamno: Hiya chresti!
	6:20pm castor: ban internet advertisements
	6:21pm Barbie: Agree Ike
	6:21pm adampsyche: oh lawd just give me a list of 12 and i'll pick 10
	6:22pm hoeg: LIX right on! «C'est interdit de interdire»
	6:22pm ultradamno: Has anyone said racist facial recognition?
	6:22pm queems: TOO FAR
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: Yay ARB!
	🤖 6:22pm tim from champaign (now washington): Down with Spotify! Up with Scottify!
	6:22pm ARB: THE ENTIRE INTERNET
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: WebHenry: Seems it's as simple as who's getting filthy rich & who's getting starved out. They stole the internet from us - & take no accountability for what they publish - either to share the wealth with creators, nor to moderate the harmful material.
	6:23pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark, i don't know if you've already done this, but perhaps a program on how Spotify and Pandora exploit artists.
	6:23pm moparlarry: I’d ban AI before it kills us. Hasn’t dystopian science fiction provided enough warnings about how it ends?
	🤖 6:24pm chresti: I hope bandcamp doesn't become a streaming service. ARB, how would we listen to your shows?
	6:24pm Feldpausch: ARB! I can live without internet but can't live w/o Cannibal Stew
	6:24pm ARB: I would start a mix tape by mail club don't worry
	6:24pm adampsyche: chresti its in their user profile right?
	🤖 6:24pm herb.nyc: Ha, no internet! Then mark becomes an fm RADIO dj playing MUSIC. I just asked Neil Hamburger- he is sooooo for it!
	6:25pm queems: i already said this on olivia’s board but i’d ban that robot that roams around stop & shop
	6:26pm Rolando: These are amazing comments, heart felt and all too real, its like we are afflicted with some sort of plague or illness, from which we wish to be released, ... we mostly hail from a time before technology, but imagine the poor souls born into this, they may not know a better way, for simpler way of doing things.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: Hey I'm a command liner from way back!
	6:26pm joe mulligan: @Herb, what's Neil Hamburger doing this Thursday? Cancel it! Neil Hamburger's in town!
	6:26pm adampsyche: ban drug tests (not exactly new tech but harmful)
	🤖 6:26pm chresti: Hi Mark! Is that Dean? Hi Dean!
	6:27pm WR: Dean! Haven't bumped into him in the comments in a while.
	6:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Smart thotful callers.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: Before the mouse there was the excellent light pen!
	6:27pm Feldpausch: Applause for no automobiles. Less autos, more bike lanes, more bikes.
	6:27pm Ike: @Queems does it still have those stupid googly eyes?
	6:27pm David in London: Doug looks like he’s beamed in from 40 years in the future in the Mother of All Demos. Astounding.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: I used two game paddles on an Apple ][ to act like a mouse in 1981 or so.
	6:28pm hoeg: using a mouse is like going to foreign country and just pointing and grunting
	6:28pm Carmichael: I was working at Intel in the early 80s. They were talking about this new technology called "the mouse" and also about "ethernet cards".
	6:28pm David in London: His original mouse was made of wood. As they all should still be.
	6:28pm castor: definitely should ban nuclear weapons, it's crazy we haven't yet.
	6:28pm ultradamno: Splinters! That'll learn 'em!
	6:29pm HyperDose: Yayy Henry!
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: I ban myself!
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: Hi Adam, what's in their user profile?
	🤖 6:30pm DjLorraine: I hadn't thought about that
	6:31pm ultradamno: There should be no telephone you can talk on while walking around in a supermarket.
	6:31pm adampsyche: heya chresti, the section that says "Hosts these programs:"
	6:31pm Feldpausch: Hi Chresti. Who's profile?
	🤖 6:32pm herb.nyc: Wait, webhamster henry submitted TWICE. That’s not right.
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also fun would be an app that asks "why?" to every question or phone call.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): I understand, Webhamster. I've felt like calling the cops on myself on occasion.
	🤖 6:32pm DjLorraine: Bring back the real phone operators oh yes please
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: Neil? Thursday? I’m calling a mulligan!
	6:33pm S.: Enjoying all your shows! Your topics and the idea is vitally important! I’d like to share with you one book that I’ve recently read, and if you didn’t read it, I think it might be quite interesting for you and I imagine for most your listeners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostCapitalism
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: One of us clearly fails CAPTCHAs.
	6:33pm adampsyche: no give us Kramer "why don't you just tell me the movie that you'd like to go to tonight"
	6:33pm Carmichael: Ha, my sister was an operator in the 60s.
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: I actually made a musical sampler instrument out of those robocalls.
	6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...you mean - you don't like being patronized - by not even a human being ?? Like you don't matter / the problem is you not their service ??...
	6:34pm ARB: More than that it's the saccharine insincerity that phone tech operators are required to pour upon us "I just want to thank you SO much for choosing Page Plus Cellular, it means so much to us..."
	6:34pm joe mulligan: I've spent about 6 months saying yes to all the extended auto warranty people, and actually getting a human. when they ask what car I have I tell them a 1990 Tesla. they hang up. now they dont even call me anyomre
	6:34pm Fuzzy: Your call is important to us!
	6:34pm David in London: And please don’t play Vivaldi’s Four fucking Seasons for the BILLIONTH time whilst I’m on hold!
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: joe love it !
	🤖 6:35pm chresti: Adam, I was asking ARB how we would listen to her show if there was no internet.
	6:35pm Richard S: I'd ban SMART HOMES - or "smart devices" i general. Your refrigerator does NOT need to be connected to the Internet. Your car most certainly doesn't.
	6:36pm moparlarry: Add Siri to the list- if you have any regional dialect, you might as well be talking to a brick
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Headphones = Choice. For You & the Other.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: @Fuzzy here's something I made some years ago: www.echonyc.com...
	🤖 6:36pm tim from champaign (now washington): As much as I love music, keep it inside!
	6:36pm HyperDose: Bluetooth degrades audio quality. Only buy high-end speakers and headphones if you have to.
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: They'd use batteries.
	6:36pm joe mulligan: haha @Herb it was a skit Neil Hamburger did in the past www.youtube.com...
	6:36pm ultradamno: Also, loud speakers on motorcycles! That's a hat on a hat as far as being a nuisance goes.
	6:37pm markinbrooklyn: Ban bluetooth speakers in public! Make it illegal to use speakerphone in public!
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Clearly you were on the train with Gaylord.
	6:38pm David in London: Also video advertisements on the escalators at tube stations (subway stations). Visual pollution.
	6:38pm adampsyche: ah ty chresti, gotcha. yeah, without internet, no woof moo for me.
	6:38pm ultradamno: I love my Riva bluetooth speakers (though only the early pre-smart Turbo)
	🤖 6:38pm DjLorraine: Auto correct needs to go, I agree
	6:39pm casey: it's not the technology. most technology is fine given respectful use. it's the fact that our government gives most of their attention to companies and little attention to the safety and welfare of the people. protect the commons. digital, actual, virtual etc.
	6:40pm HyperDose: @adampsyche Have you tried cupping your hand to your ear to try and pick up 91.1? Works sometimes
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AUTOINCORRECT ! Ding ding ding... Honestly - useful when it helps - so so so continuously aggravating when it does not ! Needs an overhaul @ the least.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: I used to live in the Car Alarm district of Brooklyn. My kid was born at home to the sound of a car alarm.
	6:40pm ultradamno: Plus no one has ever responded to a car alarm as intended. Also, and said this one a week or two ago, consumer semi-automatic firearms.
	6:40pm ARB: My next door neighbor sets off his own car alarm all night with a remote control, to punish his girlfriend when they get in a fight.
	6:41pm moparlarry: Casey nailed it
	6:41pm JT: Mark, you can’t arbitrate taste. While I too would agree with the music choice, I would still want the Bluetooth listener to wear headphones.
	6:41pm adampsyche: BOATS THAT CAN'T BEND: the suez canal blocking boat could have been bent and it can free itself: hyperdose: that only works for goatie white's show
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Thunderstorms used to set them off in concert.
	6:42pm TDK60: Hello Mark. Late so will listen.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Also: the sound of raking leaves is great!
	6:42pm Feldpausch: Good lord the leaf blowers. This strikes a nerve. Noise pollution plus air pollution. Stop this.
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: I was at an outdoor concert that set off the car alarms in the parking lot. Yes, ban leafblowers.
	6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: casey yes well said. As this Program has articulated explicitly - it's a question now of : What are Human People for - ?!?? The Tech Monopolies & their Crapitalist production have more recognition & power than us now...
	6:43pm ed: Spot on Mark. Leaf Blowers! Idiot devices. EWspecially when they're used on went rainy and windy days!
	6:43pm Glenn: We banned leaf blowers in Maplewood
	6:43pm ARB: Wack the Weedwacker while you're at it
	6:43pm Fuzzy: Yes -- car alarms and leaf blowers can go fuck themselves!
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bluetooth speakers around the house work great for me. I can bring the tunes downstairs to the laundry room or upstairs to the bathroom, etc. Using them on a subway is obnoxious.
	🤖 6:43pm tim from champaign (now washington): Let's all pitch in to purchase an already polluted waterfront so that Mark can safely blow off steam and chuck tech items into the water to his hearts content.
	6:44pm Fuzzy: Ban lawns -- total waste of time and resources!
	6:44pm HyperDose: @Glenn I just moved from there. That was an eventful MOL thread. So electric are banned now too?
	6:44pm ARB: Ban Humans
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: Franco LOVES to use the leafblower.
	6:44pm adampsyche: i'm with fuzzy and now i'm with ARB
	6:44pm ultradamno: Or even a rake
	6:44pm Glenn: No electric are permitted
	🤖 6:44pm DjLorraine: Or change the angle of the leaf blower
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: You can also use a flamethrower.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hilarious. Awful - but hilarious.
	🤖 6:45pm tim from champaign (now washington): Man, if you get paid by the hour, use a goddamn broom.
	6:45pm Old Dave: Know what you mean. There is no place safe from leaf blowers. Pushing dust and pollen into my home and car as if I dont have enough
	6:45pm moparlarry: An old man in the neighborhood uses the leaf blower for everything- leafs, snow, dust. He’s clearly retired and needs a hobby instead of REEEEEEEEEEEEEE at 8am
	6:45pm pgalub: I read once that some car thieves intentionally set off car alarms before they smash the window to cover up the sound of the glass breaking. People are that used to the sound of car alarms.
	6:45pm Matt: And in the suburbs, leaf blowers throw organic matter into streams and watersheds and cause nitrogen pollution and harmful algae blooms.
	6:46pm P-90: Thanks! @Ten (plus one) Listener contributors
	6:46pm ARB: I like leaves, even dead ones
	🤖 6:46pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Me too, ARB.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: I was gonna submit a NO to food delivery apps. But Neil told me no. But Bitcoin, yeah, maybe toss that technology.
	6:47pm ultradamno: By the way, I saw Dan Harmon is doing some kind of series through a blockchain network (I understand any of this but something in it has to be banned)
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Minor technology complaint: I bought an electric lawn mower the other day and to register the warranty they want me to create an account on their web site. I don't want to create an account. Ban the requirement for creating accounts to register products!
	6:47pm JT: Ditto leaf blowers and car alarms
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Mark: don't forget to NFT the show when you a're done.
	6:48pm ultradamno: ....don't understand, rather.
	6:48pm Justin: I hate leaf blowers but they are a necessary evil in the world of residential and commercial landscaping. If I didn’t have clean sidewalks at the end of a job I wouldn’t get paid. No possible way I’m sweeping up 500 feet of sidewalk per job.
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: re dead leaves, my p-t job involves COMPOSTing
	🤖 6:48pm tim from champaign (now washington): Wait...Elon Musk was using SNL to hawk his shit?
	6:49pm Carmichael: Just like every other actor, singer, athlete, etc ...
	6:49pm TDK60: Can we ban those fake chorus gizmos "singers" use?
	6:50pm ARB: Please ban autotune!
	6:50pm ultradamno: But everyone focused on how brave he was for "coming out" as on the spectrum and not how much more bitcoin material there suddenly was on SNL
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...What's that word ?? Douchecoin ??...
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What about Tulips in Medieval Holland ??
	6:51pm ultradamno: There was also a distinct lack of material about calling first responders "pedophiles"
	6:51pm HyperDose: @ARB But that would make SoundCloud obsolete!
	6:52pm adampsyche: can we ban SF interbreeding of software devs? www.newsbreak.com...
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...next thing you know an UnrealityTV villain is POTUS...
	6:53pm David in London: Can we ban WeWork? That styled itself as ‘tech company’, so it can make the list.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: The article is right: Dogecoin has always been a joke. I'm trying to get some Exposure Coin: ruefish.com...
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: Been driving the truck, have not been able to comment but, Oh. Do I have subway stories...
	6:54pm Androu B.: Any technology that can be exploited by fringe extremist groups and other rogue elements begs to be banned. Here's a thought: Why not have retailers conduct a background check for each and every consumer who intends to purchase a computer, phone, or other tech device with internet connectivity, the same way they do for gun purchasers. This way, anyone found to exploit said tech to encourage hate-mongering or extremist activity over the net could be traced and prosecuted. That may sound like I'm encouraging a police state, but with so much concern over extremist activity following the Insurgence, we desperately need a solution to discourage Pro-Trumpers and fringies from corrupting our collective way of life @Carmichael & @Richard S. I second both your suggestions.
	6:55pm Old Dave: herb- going on 28 years as a compost maker in the tons range. And got into bio char last year. A lot of work actually but maybe a "coin" will arrive to reward us someday?
	6:55pm ultradamno: So he made his tweet into a...snapchat? Is that the one where messages self destructed?
	6:55pm Mennlinn Rebarts: How about "Douche-coin"
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: @Castor @6:28 “How many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned?” Yeah.
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Where's that red pill again?
	6:56pm Fuzzy: Gaslight (GSL)
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: The case to ban nosy listening devices: www.gocomics.com... Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Sounds a lot like the 45th President's call to action on 1/6 and the "that's not what I intended" explanation.
	6:57pm ultradamno: And the made a joke about it being "a hustle" on update. Just laying out there because, cynically, it won't make a difference.
	🤖 6:57pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Awesome program, as always!
	6:57pm castor: oh I'm always wearing my skepticles
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Ban the moving image!!! It’s time has come
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark! This was a fun show!
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm ultradamno: Double your fry!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm P-90: Thanks Mark. Enjoy that week in Tahiti!
	6:58pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark & ya’ll!!! Great show
	6:58pm wendy del formaggio: Thank you, Mark! Stay safe and healthy.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: I like listener participation! Also, now all the sports equipment can go back in your closet!
	6:58pm Fuzzy: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Sorry didn't have much time to be on the comment board this evening.
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: But good comments & thanks to all the listeners who sent in submissions.
	6:59pm JT: Thanks Mark … great show
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: @JT @Fuzzy @Webham @Wendy @Paul @Stillwell @P-90 @Handy @ultra @carmichael & everyone else - thanks! See you in 2 weeks!
	🤖 7:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, Mecha Maiko!
	10:45pm Firebottle: From the future... the last part of this show sounds like an episode of Loudermilk.
	3:04pm UncleMarty: Late, agree re noise pollution - super stressful: Car Alarm w/out shut off is illegal. I have used a 8x11 Avery label on front windshield pointing this out. Car straight pipe exhaust modifications break 140 decibels & set off all car alarms in area & are illegal. * Small IC motors (leaf blowers) pollute more per minute than a 1950s car and have no muffler. Lastly: Light pollution - bring back the stars !

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