WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 1, 2021

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Ears on and Techgin poured, Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Also chopping potatoes and cauliflower. But I'll be hearing you!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Technoughts!
	6:01pm Feldy: Ready Freddy
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Handy! Ultra, all!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: No Jar-Jar shaming on this show please.
	🤖 6:02pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi all! Warm greetings WFMU world!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hey Mark. I'm looking forward to this interview.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Bas!
	6:03pm Roland from Australia: Good morning everyone.
	🤖 6:04pm Folsom: Don't they still have a way to go? I thought Ken doesn't overestimate the numbers.
	6:04pm solo mon: Heyyyy mannnn
	6:04pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Very often problems can't be solved because their roots are the roots of things we also want, or at least things 'we' 'want'. For example, recreational drug abuse is essentially impossible to avoid in a society in which the economy runs on people being taught that they can buy things to become happier. (…and that in turn is very hard to avoid because very often it is true. I don't buy on impulse, but everything I buy makes me happy and generally continues to do as long as it lasts.) Similarly, ghetto drugs-pushing is hard to prevent in a society in which it's much better to have money than not and where aggressive and effective salesmanship in many other contexts is seen as a sign of manliness.
	6:05pm ARB: Happy bicentepisode +1 Mark!
	6:05pm HyperDose: Love the makeover, Solo! Hey ARB!
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: Congrats on that milestone! Can't imagine the station without this program raising our consciousness each Monday.
	🤖 6:05pm PaulRobeson1920: Awww well, shucks Mark! Thank you for standing for the truth! Baby
	6:05pm Sonderangebot: Hi Mark (and all) and congrats!
	6:06pm ARB: Hi Perdose!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Evening.
	🤖 6:07pm herb.nyc: 200 hours? Maybe we should get a prenup?
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Bill of Digital Rights ~
	6:08pm solo mon: Like, fer sure HyperD.
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: Mark - to answer some of these questions I think we should give Meta a fair shake. Naw! Just kidding!
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: Fix the internet? Hit the F7 key.
	🤖 6:10pm DjLorraine: Cool book cover David Yoon NYT bestseller
	6:11pm ultradamno: So how does the name change help anything when it's still immediately associated with the face of the problem?
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Start a fire & then phone it in. Hey nothing sociopathic there.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: I like this already, I was just warning some people about Google Maps etc, being used to correlate you to nearby stores and customers.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @Webham good idea to warn people against Google Maps
	6:15pm Tom from Stirling.: Yeah, why was the internet created? Why?
	🤖 6:16pm tim from washington: @Tom from Stirling - so Deadheads in the 70s could nerd out about the Grateful Dead.
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: ~ What would the internet be like without the moving image? ~
	6:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wait - Dystopian Novel doesn't have a 100% happy ending ?? As Orwell said - the challenge is to Stay Human towards each other.
	6:17pm Little Danny: hi Mark, hi everybody
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Tom from Stirling here's the book that explains it all - www.indiebound.org...
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: Serious public discourse can ONLY take place through the printed word
	6:18pm shiloh in spirit: hi everyone
	6:18pm Little Danny: oh man exactly the hierarchy
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..." 'indiebound' would like to know your location "...
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @shiloh @Danny & everybody here - welcome! Thanks for being with me this evening.
	6:19pm Tom from Stirling.: The information super highway. Remember that?
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Love Fiction used as this sort of Tool.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Tech generations are notoriously short.
	6:20pm Megaroni: What a great interview, thanks Mark and Rob from TPSP for bringing us this truth that we all struggle with!
	6:20pm JeremyB: Anyone read Johnathan Coulton's graphic novel Solid State? It's a bit of fun and a bit depressing: www.goodreads.com...
	6:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have had the impulse to process my FutureShock by employing RetroFuturist SciFi imagery. Like - look how Weird this is now.
	6:24pm The Butterman: Self-coal rolling cars. That’s what we need!
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: We haven't mastered cars, or sewage.
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @Butterman heh don't give Elon any ideas
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I keep coming back to that parable Al Gore used in Inconvenient Truth: The Frog in Boiling Water. If you heat it up slowly enuff - he may staY & get cooked - whereas if you did it quickly, he'd jump out & live. The movement of an OvertonWindow is by no means always Progressive.
	6:25pm joe mulligan: there will be a major war between self-driving car owners and people who want the freedom to drive their own cars when there's any attempt to make the roads safer with self-driving mandates. my body my car
	6:25pm ultradamno: Marie Kondo does not spark joy
	🤖 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920: Theories reflect their creators world view, both as the world is and as the world should be Neil Postman wrote a book “How To Watch The T.V News” —- yeah talk about the why and how
	6:27pm joe mulligan: the irony is that it will be rolling coal pickup owners vs. electric self driving car owners. smdh
	6:27pm DanFA: It's the economy, stupid.
	🤖 6:27pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science.“
	6:27pm annie: @PRobeson: love neil's work
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: My take on Marie Kondo: www.dropbox.com...
	6:28pm DanFA: Mark, you're going to have to revise your shirt to include Metaverse.
	🤖 6:28pm tim from washington: I'm going to read Version Zero for sure. Tech in 2018 is some real Buck Rogers shit in my book - hahaha.
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1920: “An improved means to an unimproved end…” Me too! Annie!
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @joe mulligan good point - that's another element of our dystopia, i.e., "you can only choose one side: the coal-rollers or the Elon Musk cult members"
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Neophilia
	6:29pm shiloh in spirit: has anyone mentioned the bottle of barbecue sauce in zuckerberg's living room?
	6:29pm ultradamno: @Webmaster Thanos does take the idea and run with it.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @DanFA true. maybe next year's t-shirt will be FULL of text, all the companies to avoid...
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Futurism ...which aligned somewhat with Fascism. Like Henry Ford.
	6:29pm The Butterman: I knew you’d appreciate my coal rolling comment, Marc. I really felt bad for you. I know that was an upsetting experience.
	6:30pm ultradamno: Webhamster, excuse me.
	6:30pm Franco Twinkie: This is what I wonder constantly - who asked for all this shit? What I see everywhere, is people without souls screwing everybody else for fun and profit. Put the emphasis on fun.
	6:30pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and folks. I began with Windows for Workgroups.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Butterman ahh it's fine, thanks - actually what was even scarier was a different story (I didn't get around the telling) on the same trip, that took place on the New Jersey Turnpike... yikes
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: @ultradamno I don't mind, it's everyone's inner autocorrect.
	6:31pm JohnEBGood: Wear your damn T-Shirt! I love it and it matches my shorts! and whatever you do .....
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @JohnEBGood thanks!
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: For us little app people, it's only a 15% cut now ... progress from the Applecentric Universe!
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Built-In Obsolescence - & in Tech - not being RetroCompatible - is there a sound Engineering merit in this ?? Somehow don't think that's the motivation anymore.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: I knew John Perry Barlow a little. yeah, full of himself.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @Webham by revenue, something like 99% of Apple's App Store revenue is still subject to Apple's theft of 30%. The small-app-developer sop was for PR purposes - a cynical move.
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil Postman in “Technopoly” defines -cyberspace- as the place our consciousness goes when we “use” the internet!!!!!!!!
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: Hiiii
	6:35pm Andy: What are good ways to get off the internet? I need tips everyone. I hate it, but you cant avoid it ....
	🤖 6:35pm tim from washington: WFMU's own Jesse Jarnow's book "Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America" covers some aspects of of early internet including John Perry Barlow. I'd highly recommend it.
	6:36pm ultradamno: Well, that ("it was just work") was Office Space for a lot of people too
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @tim good point. I interviewed Jesse about "Heads" on the October 29, 2018 episode of Techtonic: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Because of these crazy "Everything will change!" declarations, it leads people to think there will be a tech fix for climate change, which really means "yeah, you can keep using your car."
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: Yes! I could never sit through episodes of the Silicon Valley show, because it was too real. I already know and can't stand those guys.
	🤖 6:37pm tim from washington: Excellent, Mark! I'm going to check that out.
	6:38pm Franco Twinkie: The archetype of all pure thought is illustrated in the movie The Brain That Wouldn't Die. A vengeful decapitated head in a pan, controlling a monsters in the closet.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Creativity. Love this.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Franco good one - I think I saw the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version of that movie
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Jeff Moore hi! Yes I totally felt the same way
	6:38pm ultradamno: I liked it, even though it's now known the bro culture was going on in the actual set
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff Moore I didn't see Silicon Valley, but I did see "Halt and Catch Fire" which was clearly different, but smelled the same as the early personal computer scene in a lot of ways!
	6:39pm Andy: The country looks more like Infinite Jest every day
	🤖 6:39pm chresti: Hi Mark and David and techtonoids!
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1920: Bucky Fuller created many useful words!!!!!! “Operation Manual for Spaceship Earth” and you bet your life he understands what humanity is capable of
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @ultra is there a good press account of those happenings? I never came across that.
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @chresti welcome!
	6:40pm ultradamno: www.msn.com...
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @ultra thanks
	6:41pm JohnEBGood: I like the show Dark Matter ; ) they all wake up with no memory . well almost
	6:42pm Jeff Moore: For an author in this space: check out Steph Cha's books.
	6:42pm Old Dave: Another brilliant interview- love this! Thanks
	6:42pm Carmichael: @Andy, delete your apps to facebook and instagram. That's a good start.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: This sounds like a fun book!
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: Great interview!!!!
	🤖 6:43pm Wendy del Formaggio: What a great interview. Thanks, as always, Mark, and thanks to David, too.
	6:43pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you so much David Yoon and Mark!
	6:44pm DanFA: Get off my lawn!
	6:44pm DanFA: Hey @Chresti
	🤖 6:45pm tim from washington: Great interview! I've added David's book to my reading list.
	6:45pm Roland from Australia: Nice chap this David Yoon. Pleasant interview.
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: I will read this book “Version Zero" You have my word
	6:45pm WR: Refreshing to learn of another person asking questions that need to be asked.
	6:45pm Jeff Moore: ...and by "this space", I mean books by and about people who aren't by default all white. Steph Cha's books (so far) fall more into the hardboiled detective vein (but a modern take)
	6:46pm DanFA: Mark, have you read The Contrarian, it's about arch-nemesis Peter Thiel?
	6:46pm ARB: Infinite Jest is great and quite prescient, but not essential
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: Are you renaming Techtonic to " Metatonic"?
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I need to actually read more - & VersionZero should be included.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1920: Hey Jeff! @6:45 I’m wondering? Have you ever read any of Paul Robeson’s written works?
	6:48pm Carmichael: If you change the company name, it's a different company. 😉🤗🤣
	6:48pm ohme: "Maul the Meta!" could be a new tagline for signing off lol.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like - your MetaData...
	6:49pm I k e: Dark Matter?!?! That's not a bad show but it's a strange recommendation since it's not a tech show. It's a low-budget Canadian sci-fi show. Takes a while to get going and then it got cancelled on a cliffhanger after season 3. Definitely surprisingly effective use of limited resources though (looks like it was done with someone's piggy bank, a few PCs, some old Toronto warehouses, and some painted cardboard, but creatively writes around that).
	6:49pm Doug in JC: Somebody pointed out that none of these tech guys happened to notice that Stephenson's metaverse was a dystopia
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: I'm sorry to go across the grain, but David Foster Wallace is a much better essayist and journalist than novelist. His work for hire is collected.
	6:49pm WR: Zuckerberg is getting new curtains to try to avoid prying citizens,
	6:49pm joe mulligan: classic corporate playbook, esp in social media and adtech.. you've done wrong and your name is tarnished, do you apologize? no just change ya name
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: @PaulRobeson1920: "The" Paul Robeson, as in the famous singer and actor and such? Why, no! He wrote books as well?
	🤖 6:50pm tim from washington: In the Seattle Time on Friday October 22 Facebook took out a full page ad basically stating "we're cool, we have the same concerns you do".
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Distraction is the PrestiDigitator's first & primary tool. Bread & Circuits.
	6:51pm DanFA: Hahahahhahahhahah
	🤖 6:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: RRN63: "Bread & Circuits." haha.
	6:51pm Doug in JC: @Franco I'm in the middle of my first read of Infinite Jest and you're not wrong. It's still good! But his essays are great
	🤖 6:51pm tim from washington: Agreed Franco Twinkie. DFW is beloved but his fiction is not for me.
	6:51pm shiloh in spirit: really glad my dad uninstalled facebook just a few days before they announced this crappy... thing
	6:51pm ARB: I agree with you Fracno, but Broom Of The System is hilarious
	🤖 6:52pm DjLorraine: Branding and buzz words...
	6:52pm ultradamno: There was a piece on VR on the show FXX show Cake (a Psychotown segment) where parents put a VR helmet on baby at birth so he'll ahead of everyone else, being acclimated to the virtual world so young, and virtually acclimate him to the knowledge of his world being virtual, virtually as a boy. "And when will he be out of it? Never" "Yeah, maybe never"
	6:52pm DanFA: We're all doomed.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: You bet yer life, Jeff! @6:50 A whole world of truth and brilliant perspective awaits
	6:53pm Doug in JC: Bread and Circuits was a great hardcore band
	6:53pm ultradamno: Here it is www.youtube.com...
	6:53pm Carmichael: Meta World Peace ...
	6:53pm shiloh in spirit: the graphics aren't even that good or anything, online VR has looked like this for years
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Another scary name change is that J&J made a new subsidiary LTL Management, explicitly to own the talcum powder division and immediately go bankrupt, shielding J&J from lawsuits. Their talcum powder has some asbestos in it.
	6:53pm WR: Convergence in calling out tech is coming?
	6:53pm Franco Twinkie: So is Consider The Lobster Alina.
	6:54pm JohnEBGood: Hey, I was born in 1960. John Lennon and Janis Joplin had cool specs.
	6:55pm ARB: I would say the same for William T. Vollmann, the journalism far exceeds the fiction
	🤖 6:55pm tim from washington: Zuckerberg goes to SuperCuts? Dude's a billionaire so why does he need to pay for a shitty haircut?
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I ❤️ supercuts
	6:55pm full_english_breakfast: david yoon in your interview mentioned how adtech companies build profiles by tracking scrolling behaviour... one thing to fear from facebook's metaverse plans is how much more rich psychological profiling facebook connected vr devices might enable... e.g. read your emotional state based on your head movements (and soon vr headsets will track your eye movements as well)
	6:55pm mndave: This dillhole.
	6:55pm ultradamno: Not as cool as Martin Rev, he was ready for this img.musicianbio.org...
	6:56pm Old Dave: Big DFW fan here- worth your time if you enjoy reading.
	6:56pm Franco Twinkie: And he doesn't drive Alina! Worth pondering.
	6:56pm solo mon: Barfmoji to Zuck.
	6:56pm Fredericks: HerbNYC: What happens if I hit the F7?
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Just so you know, Kenzo is not tracking your scrolling.
	🤖 6:56pm DjLorraine: Iks peery ants
	🤖 6:57pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Feldy: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Good presentation tonight.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think Zuckerbird has taken note on DoanldDrumpf who revised Hitler for 21stCentury USA: The people will believe a Lie not only the Bigger - but the Stupider it is.
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. great stuff. Version Zero is on the list now. :)
	6:58pm JohnEBGood: Thanx Mark. You the b.....................
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Someone said Zuck looks like a Q-Tip. Spot on in more ways than one.
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: A big step to make the internet a more serious and rational place - do away with the moving image! Thanks Mark!!! Thank you 10,000 times!! Thank u
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	6:59pm Little Danny: thank you Mark
	7:00pm ultradamno: This reminds me, the original Buffy, an anti-vaxxer, has tested positive
	7:00pm Andy: Infinite Jest is truly great. I hope you enjoy it Doug. Stay with it!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Thx As Ever MH ~
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Ready for the ARB experience
	7:01pm Andy: Doug did you notice that the president is an orange skinned entertainer in IJ? And he wrote that in the early 90s
	🤖 7:34pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark and David!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 1, 2021

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November 1, 2021: David Yoon, author, "Version Zero"

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Tonight: David Yoon, author, "Version Zero"

Bio: David Yoon is the New York Times bestselling author of Frankly in Love, Super Fake Love Song, and for adult readers, Version Zero and City of Orange. He’s a William C. Morris Award finalist and an Asian/Pacific American Award for Young Adult Literature Honor book recipient. He's co-publisher of Joy Revolution, a Random House young adult imprint dedicated to love stories starring people of color. He's also co-founder of Yooniverse Media, which currently has a first look deal with Anonymous Content for film/TV development. David grew up in Orange County, California, and now lives in Los Angeles with his wife, novelist Nicola Yoon, and their daughter.

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Ears on and Techgin poured, Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Also chopping potatoes and cauliflower. But I'll be hearing you!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Technoughts!
	6:01pm Feldy: Ready Freddy
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Handy! Ultra, all!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: No Jar-Jar shaming on this show please.
	🤖 6:02pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi all! Warm greetings WFMU world!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hey Mark. I'm looking forward to this interview.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Bas!
	6:03pm Roland from Australia: Good morning everyone.
	🤖 6:04pm Folsom: Don't they still have a way to go? I thought Ken doesn't overestimate the numbers.
	6:04pm solo mon: Heyyyy mannnn
	6:04pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Very often problems can't be solved because their roots are the roots of things we also want, or at least things 'we' 'want'. For example, recreational drug abuse is essentially impossible to avoid in a society in which the economy runs on people being taught that they can buy things to become happier. (…and that in turn is very hard to avoid because very often it is true. I don't buy on impulse, but everything I buy makes me happy and generally continues to do as long as it lasts.) Similarly, ghetto drugs-pushing is hard to prevent in a society in which it's much better to have money than not and where aggressive and effective salesmanship in many other contexts is seen as a sign of manliness.
	6:05pm ARB: Happy bicentepisode +1 Mark!
	6:05pm HyperDose: Love the makeover, Solo! Hey ARB!
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: Congrats on that milestone! Can't imagine the station without this program raising our consciousness each Monday.
	🤖 6:05pm PaulRobeson1920: Awww well, shucks Mark! Thank you for standing for the truth! Baby
	6:05pm Sonderangebot: Hi Mark (and all) and congrats!
	6:06pm ARB: Hi Perdose!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Evening.
	🤖 6:07pm herb.nyc: 200 hours? Maybe we should get a prenup?
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Bill of Digital Rights ~
	6:08pm solo mon: Like, fer sure HyperD.
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: Mark - to answer some of these questions I think we should give Meta a fair shake. Naw! Just kidding!
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: Fix the internet? Hit the F7 key.
	🤖 6:10pm DjLorraine: Cool book cover David Yoon NYT bestseller
	6:11pm ultradamno: So how does the name change help anything when it's still immediately associated with the face of the problem?
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Start a fire & then phone it in. Hey nothing sociopathic there.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: I like this already, I was just warning some people about Google Maps etc, being used to correlate you to nearby stores and customers.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @Webham good idea to warn people against Google Maps
	6:15pm Tom from Stirling.: Yeah, why was the internet created? Why?
	🤖 6:16pm tim from washington: @Tom from Stirling - so Deadheads in the 70s could nerd out about the Grateful Dead.
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: ~ What would the internet be like without the moving image? ~
	6:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wait - Dystopian Novel doesn't have a 100% happy ending ?? As Orwell said - the challenge is to Stay Human towards each other.
	6:17pm Little Danny: hi Mark, hi everybody
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Tom from Stirling here's the book that explains it all - www.indiebound.org...
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: Serious public discourse can ONLY take place through the printed word
	6:18pm shiloh in spirit: hi everyone
	6:18pm Little Danny: oh man exactly the hierarchy
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..." 'indiebound' would like to know your location "...
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @shiloh @Danny & everybody here - welcome! Thanks for being with me this evening.
	6:19pm Tom from Stirling.: The information super highway. Remember that?
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Love Fiction used as this sort of Tool.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Tech generations are notoriously short.
	6:20pm Megaroni: What a great interview, thanks Mark and Rob from TPSP for bringing us this truth that we all struggle with!
	6:20pm JeremyB: Anyone read Johnathan Coulton's graphic novel Solid State? It's a bit of fun and a bit depressing: www.goodreads.com...
	6:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have had the impulse to process my FutureShock by employing RetroFuturist SciFi imagery. Like - look how Weird this is now.
	6:24pm The Butterman: Self-coal rolling cars. That’s what we need!
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: We haven't mastered cars, or sewage.
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @Butterman heh don't give Elon any ideas
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I keep coming back to that parable Al Gore used in Inconvenient Truth: The Frog in Boiling Water. If you heat it up slowly enuff - he may staY & get cooked - whereas if you did it quickly, he'd jump out & live. The movement of an OvertonWindow is by no means always Progressive.
	6:25pm joe mulligan: there will be a major war between self-driving car owners and people who want the freedom to drive their own cars when there's any attempt to make the roads safer with self-driving mandates. my body my car
	6:25pm ultradamno: Marie Kondo does not spark joy
	🤖 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920: Theories reflect their creators world view, both as the world is and as the world should be Neil Postman wrote a book “How To Watch The T.V News” —- yeah talk about the why and how
	6:27pm joe mulligan: the irony is that it will be rolling coal pickup owners vs. electric self driving car owners. smdh
	6:27pm DanFA: It's the economy, stupid.
	🤖 6:27pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science.“
	6:27pm annie: @PRobeson: love neil's work
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: My take on Marie Kondo: www.dropbox.com...
	6:28pm DanFA: Mark, you're going to have to revise your shirt to include Metaverse.
	🤖 6:28pm tim from washington: I'm going to read Version Zero for sure. Tech in 2018 is some real Buck Rogers shit in my book - hahaha.
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1920: “An improved means to an unimproved end…” Me too! Annie!
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @joe mulligan good point - that's another element of our dystopia, i.e., "you can only choose one side: the coal-rollers or the Elon Musk cult members"
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Neophilia
	6:29pm shiloh in spirit: has anyone mentioned the bottle of barbecue sauce in zuckerberg's living room?
	6:29pm ultradamno: @Webmaster Thanos does take the idea and run with it.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @DanFA true. maybe next year's t-shirt will be FULL of text, all the companies to avoid...
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Futurism ...which aligned somewhat with Fascism. Like Henry Ford.
	6:29pm The Butterman: I knew you’d appreciate my coal rolling comment, Marc. I really felt bad for you. I know that was an upsetting experience.
	6:30pm ultradamno: Webhamster, excuse me.
	6:30pm Franco Twinkie: This is what I wonder constantly - who asked for all this shit? What I see everywhere, is people without souls screwing everybody else for fun and profit. Put the emphasis on fun.
	6:30pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and folks. I began with Windows for Workgroups.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Butterman ahh it's fine, thanks - actually what was even scarier was a different story (I didn't get around the telling) on the same trip, that took place on the New Jersey Turnpike... yikes
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: @ultradamno I don't mind, it's everyone's inner autocorrect.
	6:31pm JohnEBGood: Wear your damn T-Shirt! I love it and it matches my shorts! and whatever you do .....
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @JohnEBGood thanks!
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: For us little app people, it's only a 15% cut now ... progress from the Applecentric Universe!
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Built-In Obsolescence - & in Tech - not being RetroCompatible - is there a sound Engineering merit in this ?? Somehow don't think that's the motivation anymore.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: I knew John Perry Barlow a little. yeah, full of himself.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @Webham by revenue, something like 99% of Apple's App Store revenue is still subject to Apple's theft of 30%. The small-app-developer sop was for PR purposes - a cynical move.
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil Postman in “Technopoly” defines -cyberspace- as the place our consciousness goes when we “use” the internet!!!!!!!!
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: Hiiii
	6:35pm Andy: What are good ways to get off the internet? I need tips everyone. I hate it, but you cant avoid it ....
	🤖 6:35pm tim from washington: WFMU's own Jesse Jarnow's book "Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America" covers some aspects of of early internet including John Perry Barlow. I'd highly recommend it.
	6:36pm ultradamno: Well, that ("it was just work") was Office Space for a lot of people too
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @tim good point. I interviewed Jesse about "Heads" on the October 29, 2018 episode of Techtonic: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:37pm Webhamster Henry: Because of these crazy "Everything will change!" declarations, it leads people to think there will be a tech fix for climate change, which really means "yeah, you can keep using your car."
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: Yes! I could never sit through episodes of the Silicon Valley show, because it was too real. I already know and can't stand those guys.
	🤖 6:37pm tim from washington: Excellent, Mark! I'm going to check that out.
	6:38pm Franco Twinkie: The archetype of all pure thought is illustrated in the movie The Brain That Wouldn't Die. A vengeful decapitated head in a pan, controlling a monsters in the closet.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Creativity. Love this.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Franco good one - I think I saw the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version of that movie
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Jeff Moore hi! Yes I totally felt the same way
	6:38pm ultradamno: I liked it, even though it's now known the bro culture was going on in the actual set
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff Moore I didn't see Silicon Valley, but I did see "Halt and Catch Fire" which was clearly different, but smelled the same as the early personal computer scene in a lot of ways!
	6:39pm Andy: The country looks more like Infinite Jest every day
	🤖 6:39pm chresti: Hi Mark and David and techtonoids!
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1920: Bucky Fuller created many useful words!!!!!! “Operation Manual for Spaceship Earth” and you bet your life he understands what humanity is capable of
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @ultra is there a good press account of those happenings? I never came across that.
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @chresti welcome!
	6:40pm ultradamno: www.msn.com...
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @ultra thanks
	6:41pm JohnEBGood: I like the show Dark Matter ; ) they all wake up with no memory . well almost
	6:42pm Jeff Moore: For an author in this space: check out Steph Cha's books.
	6:42pm Old Dave: Another brilliant interview- love this! Thanks
	6:42pm Carmichael: @Andy, delete your apps to facebook and instagram. That's a good start.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: This sounds like a fun book!
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: Great interview!!!!
	🤖 6:43pm Wendy del Formaggio: What a great interview. Thanks, as always, Mark, and thanks to David, too.
	6:43pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you so much David Yoon and Mark!
	6:44pm DanFA: Get off my lawn!
	6:44pm DanFA: Hey @Chresti
	🤖 6:45pm tim from washington: Great interview! I've added David's book to my reading list.
	6:45pm Roland from Australia: Nice chap this David Yoon. Pleasant interview.
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: I will read this book “Version Zero" You have my word
	6:45pm WR: Refreshing to learn of another person asking questions that need to be asked.
	6:45pm Jeff Moore: ...and by "this space", I mean books by and about people who aren't by default all white. Steph Cha's books (so far) fall more into the hardboiled detective vein (but a modern take)
	6:46pm DanFA: Mark, have you read The Contrarian, it's about arch-nemesis Peter Thiel?
	6:46pm ARB: Infinite Jest is great and quite prescient, but not essential
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: Are you renaming Techtonic to " Metatonic"?
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I need to actually read more - & VersionZero should be included.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1920: Hey Jeff! @6:45 I’m wondering? Have you ever read any of Paul Robeson’s written works?
	6:48pm Carmichael: If you change the company name, it's a different company. 😉🤗🤣
	6:48pm ohme: "Maul the Meta!" could be a new tagline for signing off lol.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like - your MetaData...
	6:49pm I k e: Dark Matter?!?! That's not a bad show but it's a strange recommendation since it's not a tech show. It's a low-budget Canadian sci-fi show. Takes a while to get going and then it got cancelled on a cliffhanger after season 3. Definitely surprisingly effective use of limited resources though (looks like it was done with someone's piggy bank, a few PCs, some old Toronto warehouses, and some painted cardboard, but creatively writes around that).
	6:49pm Doug in JC: Somebody pointed out that none of these tech guys happened to notice that Stephenson's metaverse was a dystopia
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: I'm sorry to go across the grain, but David Foster Wallace is a much better essayist and journalist than novelist. His work for hire is collected.
	6:49pm WR: Zuckerberg is getting new curtains to try to avoid prying citizens,
	6:49pm joe mulligan: classic corporate playbook, esp in social media and adtech.. you've done wrong and your name is tarnished, do you apologize? no just change ya name
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: @PaulRobeson1920: "The" Paul Robeson, as in the famous singer and actor and such? Why, no! He wrote books as well?
	🤖 6:50pm tim from washington: In the Seattle Time on Friday October 22 Facebook took out a full page ad basically stating "we're cool, we have the same concerns you do".
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Distraction is the PrestiDigitator's first & primary tool. Bread & Circuits.
	6:51pm DanFA: Hahahahhahahhahah
	🤖 6:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: RRN63: "Bread & Circuits." haha.
	6:51pm Doug in JC: @Franco I'm in the middle of my first read of Infinite Jest and you're not wrong. It's still good! But his essays are great
	🤖 6:51pm tim from washington: Agreed Franco Twinkie. DFW is beloved but his fiction is not for me.
	6:51pm shiloh in spirit: really glad my dad uninstalled facebook just a few days before they announced this crappy... thing
	6:51pm ARB: I agree with you Fracno, but Broom Of The System is hilarious
	🤖 6:52pm DjLorraine: Branding and buzz words...
	6:52pm ultradamno: There was a piece on VR on the show FXX show Cake (a Psychotown segment) where parents put a VR helmet on baby at birth so he'll ahead of everyone else, being acclimated to the virtual world so young, and virtually acclimate him to the knowledge of his world being virtual, virtually as a boy. "And when will he be out of it? Never" "Yeah, maybe never"
	6:52pm DanFA: We're all doomed.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: You bet yer life, Jeff! @6:50 A whole world of truth and brilliant perspective awaits
	6:53pm Doug in JC: Bread and Circuits was a great hardcore band
	6:53pm ultradamno: Here it is www.youtube.com...
	6:53pm Carmichael: Meta World Peace ...
	6:53pm shiloh in spirit: the graphics aren't even that good or anything, online VR has looked like this for years
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Another scary name change is that J&J made a new subsidiary LTL Management, explicitly to own the talcum powder division and immediately go bankrupt, shielding J&J from lawsuits. Their talcum powder has some asbestos in it.
	6:53pm WR: Convergence in calling out tech is coming?
	6:53pm Franco Twinkie: So is Consider The Lobster Alina.
	6:54pm JohnEBGood: Hey, I was born in 1960. John Lennon and Janis Joplin had cool specs.
	6:55pm ARB: I would say the same for William T. Vollmann, the journalism far exceeds the fiction
	🤖 6:55pm tim from washington: Zuckerberg goes to SuperCuts? Dude's a billionaire so why does he need to pay for a shitty haircut?
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I ❤️ supercuts
	6:55pm full_english_breakfast: david yoon in your interview mentioned how adtech companies build profiles by tracking scrolling behaviour... one thing to fear from facebook's metaverse plans is how much more rich psychological profiling facebook connected vr devices might enable... e.g. read your emotional state based on your head movements (and soon vr headsets will track your eye movements as well)
	6:55pm mndave: This dillhole.
	6:55pm ultradamno: Not as cool as Martin Rev, he was ready for this img.musicianbio.org...
	6:56pm Old Dave: Big DFW fan here- worth your time if you enjoy reading.
	6:56pm Franco Twinkie: And he doesn't drive Alina! Worth pondering.
	6:56pm solo mon: Barfmoji to Zuck.
	6:56pm Fredericks: HerbNYC: What happens if I hit the F7?
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Just so you know, Kenzo is not tracking your scrolling.
	🤖 6:56pm DjLorraine: Iks peery ants
	🤖 6:57pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Feldy: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Good presentation tonight.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think Zuckerbird has taken note on DoanldDrumpf who revised Hitler for 21stCentury USA: The people will believe a Lie not only the Bigger - but the Stupider it is.
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. great stuff. Version Zero is on the list now. :)
	6:58pm JohnEBGood: Thanx Mark. You the b.....................
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Someone said Zuck looks like a Q-Tip. Spot on in more ways than one.
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: A big step to make the internet a more serious and rational place - do away with the moving image! Thanks Mark!!! Thank you 10,000 times!! Thank u
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	6:59pm Little Danny: thank you Mark
	7:00pm ultradamno: This reminds me, the original Buffy, an anti-vaxxer, has tested positive
	7:00pm Andy: Infinite Jest is truly great. I hope you enjoy it Doug. Stay with it!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Thx As Ever MH ~
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Ready for the ARB experience
	7:01pm Andy: Doug did you notice that the president is an orange skinned entertainer in IJ? And he wrote that in the early 90s
	🤖 7:34pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark and David!

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