WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 31, 2022

Listener comments!
	5:55pm Listener Robert: Not to put down Mr. Hurst, but I always look forward to when Ken hosts this show, because he always has saved up a great topic or gimmick of some sort. I just thought of something in that connection, Ken: Ever thought of providing a monthly, bimonthly, or quarterly slot for shows? Seems to me there'd be people who'd want to do a show REGULARLY but NOT SO FREQUENTLY as weekly, and would be better that way.
	🤖 6:01pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!
	6:01pm Yes: Yo ken + friends
	🤖 6:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Hi Ken and all!!!! Staysh!!!
	6:01pm Doug in JC: Ok, forget Spotify. We need to talk about the Wordle news
	6:01pm HyperDose: Sort of like Radio Row, but more tech and current event-focused, Robert?
	6:01pm Niall: I love that Napster appears to be the most remunerative (lease predatory?) service.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Ken! All!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: I need to blow my nose. Where's the Snottify app at?
	6:01pm Baycon Wivegg: Hi DJ Station Manager Ken. Have usually turned away by now.
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Evening, Ken! Excited for brouhaha-adjacent discussion. Listener R: See Radio Row, the Drop In, the Wiggle Room, etc.
	6:01pm marcel: RIP wordle : (
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Ken - you should do a Techtonic theme remix like Scott did!
	6:01pm P-90: “Mr. Hurst”? You mean Mark Hurst’s dad?
	6:02pm melinda: howdy SM Ken
	6:03pm rdb: joe rogaine?
	6:03pm Joey Joe Joe: Show some respect to Niles Lufgren, Ken! It’s his fight too!
	6:03pm P-90: I don’t think I’ve heard anyone call it “Rogangate” yet
	6:03pm melinda: Neil is overreacting, yes
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Staysh!
	6:03pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hello Ken
	6:04pm marcel: so who has redeemed their four weeks of free amazon music yet
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Any reason to dump Spotify is fine.
	6:04pm Baycon Wivegg: Already affected Spotify. Mainstream media unleased an avalanche of notes over the weekend claiming that Spotify has had $2 billion wiped off its market value because of the actions of Neil Young and others in opposing Joe Rogan’s content on the platform have now been exposed as embarrassing fake news…However, as Summit News' Steve Watson noted, and as pointed out by many on social media, the drop in value of Spotify stock is part of a longer downward trend that started before Neil Young uttered a word about Rogan.” “…since they announced Young was gone and Rogan is staying, their stock is actually up slightly.” https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/spotify-adds-billions-market-neil-young-nothingburger
	6:04pm P-90: Neil is not overreacting. Guy like Neil only has one possible reaction in any situation.
	6:05pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I don't use spotify. I'm in poverty.
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: New anonymous alias. Same crap rhetoric. The wheel turns.
	6:05pm listener phillip (in the bronx): @Ken- loved your interview on "Hoboken talks" with irwin
	6:06pm JeremyB: I think Neil Young can do whatever he wants in terms of his music. I don't think it will help a boycott going.
	6:06pm Cassettivity: I think you ended the discussion with "he went to Amazon"... for the ethics?
	6:06pm Niall: This calls for a Spinal Tap reunion. That would be a good five-minute bit.
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: I'm in lots of services, but because no one listens, I can't really compare how effective they are.
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil Young enjoys a good hot air balloon ride. he writes better in the air
	6:07pm admiral crisp: If they pull Rogan wouldn’t Spotify owe him a ton of money?
	6:07pm Glistener MW: My primary concern here is how this will affect my Pono Store purchases.
	6:07pm Listener Robert: "Cash value 1/100 cent."
	6:07pm Marie: Neil successfully made a big point. Now maybe he could do something about Alex Jones
	6:07pm Baycon Wivegg: “The one bright spot in all this — and it is a significant one — is that liberals have become such extremists in their quest to silence all adversaries that they are generating their own backlash, based in disgust for their tyrannical fanaticism.”
	6:07pm I’m with Neil: But I listen to Rogan and think he has skills. That are often clouded by dumbass
	6:08pm solo mon: We all know the pullout method doesn’t work.
	6:08pm P-90: Dolly Parton looked like she was considering a move…
	6:08pm Cassettivity: @solo mon! lolzzzz
	6:08pm WO Town Wick: I have dropped Spotify premium because of this, mostly because I can no longer ignore the low pay to musicians. I plan on living without for a months and then may go to Qobuz, since they pay bands more.
	6:08pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I dont want to be mean. But Neal Young is a washed up hippie? Hes more irrelevant than Bob Dylan who listens to his music anymore. Boomers?I guess
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: I'm on Team Neil for for pulling his music from Spotify. I didn't like his "I go or he goes" gambit. Like SPotify would ditch a cash cow,
	6:09pm HyperDose: Never understood streaming. Always preferred having the local files. No internet, no problem.
	6:09pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I find it interesting that its a showdown between talk radio and classic rock.
	6:09pm JeremyB: Tom Sharpling also pulled his podcast from spotify
	6:09pm Vertual: I'm disappointed that Barry Manilow didn't join Neil Young.
	6:10pm morphe': Pandora (2010?? = just before or after)- I remember when still teaching in NYC Alt HS (17-21 yer olds) ..I could play a song and get a continuous commercial free stream while the students were writing and I thought it great ... Guess not !!!
	🤖 6:10pm DjLorraine: Happy chinese new year: Water Tiger
	6:10pm listener phillip (in the bronx): In my life I have never listened to a podcast.
	6:10pm Niall: I wonder what Reply-All's gonna do.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Streams are for paddling, HyperDose. You better believe that's a paddlin'.
	6:10pm Baycon Wivegg: “...That is why there is much more at stake in this campaign to have Rogan removed from Spotify than whether this extremely popular podcast host will continue to be heard there or on another platform. If liberals succeed in pressuring Spotify to abandon their most valuable commodity, it will mean nobody is safe from their petty-tyrant tactics. But if they fail, it can embolden other platforms to similarly defy these bullying tactics, keeping our discourse a bit more free for just awhile longer.”
	6:10pm Glistener MW: Good point re: most musicians not controlling their own rights. I take it Neil Young fully owns/controls his own catalog, then?
	6:10pm adampsyche: happy lunar new year eve! dumplings and noodles on the way
	6:11pm Philip: Plenty of Neil Young music still available on Spotify.
	6:11pm listener phillip (in the bronx): Ohh what a huge surprise hippie baby boomers.
	🤖 6:11pm Bas NL: Does WFMU pay Neil Young for plays?
	6:11pm WO Town Wick: I listen to the Men in Blazers weekly podcast. I wonder what they'll do--if they'll pull from Spotify.
	6:11pm Glistener MW: David Crosby Inexplicably Demands Spotify Choose Between Him and 99% Invisible Podcast: thehardtimes.net...
	6:11pm Tom from Stirling: Did the old FM radio stations pay Neil Young or any other artists when played on the station? NO
	6:11pm dale: someone takes a stand and everyone sees a bandwagon.
	6:12pm melinda: I think we need to question accusations of 'misinformation'. One of the doctors who was on Rogan has more signatures of support from other physicians than the 250 or whatever who petitioned Spotify.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: I take it Nickelback would be associated with music wrongs?
	6:12pm I’m with Neil: I preferred Joe on YouTube Not fond of the Spotify and it’s more difficult to access his archives then it was in the past. Spotify went up 13% today
	6:12pm choggie: The real skinny on the risks of Covid: stop watching TV, get un-fat and un-diabetic (stop eating the shit TV sells you) and place the blame SQUARELY upon the lab in China where the shit came from. The biggest risk of the virus is to the world economy. Don't forget, mortality of Covid has been and will probably remain at less than ONE PERCENT of the world's population. Grow some.brains people, stop letting petty tyrants in your state governments dictate how and where you are allowed to live your lives
	6:12pm Tom from Stirling: Foo Fighters?! NOoooo! I mean Yeeeessss!
	6:12pm Doug in JC: Pat Sajak is a nazi
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Liberal- in the context of 1960 America- means you think all people are born innately good and we need laws that reflect this fact Has anyone told Neil Young to be careful?
	6:12pm adampsyche: that podcast person is the absolute worst, and no I don't need to listen to know that.
	6:12pm marcel: wow choggie thats total bs
	6:13pm I’m with Neil: And choggie don’t forget Take lots of steroids
	6:13pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Little Miss Can't be Wrong! They were roomates with the Blues Traveller whom, to my knowlege, NEVER been played on WFMU.
	6:13pm adampsyche: choggie did that podcast person send you here
	6:13pm YETI BOB: melinda: it's pretty bad, he's encouraging people in their 20s not to get vaxxed b/c they healthy (nevermind that they can still spread the virus), he's touting ivermectin, somebody needs to make the guy shut up. free speech does not mean speech free of consequences (shouting "fire")
	6:13pm LCBD: Mark Hurst would not like to hear that you went to YouTube!
	6:13pm Tom from Stirling: Thom Yorke? Take his shite off Spotify. Please
	6:14pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I love how these burned out hippies talk as though it's the 60s again and what they say is relevant.
	6:14pm choggie: We'll pick it apart Marcel instead of dismissing the entire comment. Knee jerking I'm not, you perhaps??
	6:14pm Niall: @Bas NL: radio stations pay songwriters via a blanket license (ASCAP?), IIRC.
	6:14pm Baycon Wivegg: All True Chhoggie, but the PTB are using it to herd us into global ID with greenpass, etc. Very dangerous.
	6:14pm Niall: Assuming that question was asked in good faith.
	6:15pm Marie: Any numbers on Spotify annual profits?
	🤖 6:15pm Bas NL: Thanks Niall. That would be similar as over here.
	6:15pm HyperDose: Neil was also the guy who thought a Toblerone shaped FLAC player was the future when such players were already obsolete.
	6:15pm dale: never listened to spotify. usually just have the radio on.
	6:15pm Doug in JC: I feel like it's more ethical to pirate music than it is to use spotify
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: If I didn't find the whole enterprise so vapid and depressing, I guess we could keep a record of the sockpuppet names Baycon / Poor Listener / etc. use to endlessly say the same nonsense.
	6:15pm I’m with Neil: Btw The IMF was rather upset with china discussing another lockdown as it would kibosh the 2-4.8% growth of the world economy this year. Money over people Oh Spotify pays .01per100 streams
	6:16pm P-90: I don’t think Neil ever for one second in his boomer artist/activist life thought that “all people are born innately good and we need laws that reflect this fact.”
	6:16pm listener phillip (in the bronx): Do you know how much I pay for unlimited GB on my Samsung A10e smartphone? $60 dollars a month
	6:16pm solo mon: Buskers make more money. Fisherman’s wharf is the new billboard top 10.
	6:16pm G: Instead of pennies from heaven, it's tenths of a penny from hell.
	6:16pm marcel: neil young kinda manages to stay relevant by complaining about sound quality, which is sort of impressive
	6:16pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young angry about Joe Rogen. Isn't that his gripe? Not that the artists don't get paid. Suddenly Neil finds Spotify is not paying artists. He knew that all along, did he not?
	6:16pm choggie: My dad died from covid, because he was overweight and had a bad heart.. mom and myself were hardly effected. Tens of thousands of people have had multiple vaccinations and still contract the virus how good really is a vaccine that was rolled out in the last 2 years should be the question in your mind. How long did it take to create an effective polio vaccine?
	6:17pm Listener Robert: But Yeti, since the vaccines we have for CoVID-19 don't provide sterilizing immunity or even significantly diminish virion counts in nose secretions, vaccination DOES NOT reduce the chance of someone else catching your CoVID-19, Eh, it's all moot now anyway. Omicron is vaccinating us all with very little morbidity.
	6:17pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: 10 mills=1 penny. This might be a useful unit.
	6:17pm YETI BOB: FFS we're heading into the 3rd year of this crap, approaching a million people dead in the USA, and its folks crazy addiction to "independent research" and "freedom" that's keeping it from ending. i'm ready to be free of this effing pandemic!
	6:17pm Andrew Waterloo: The problem with Spotify is I don't have enough hours in the day to get significant bang for that subscription fee
	6:17pm Glistener MW: Eve6, giving us the "inside-out" on Spotify
	6:17pm Tom from Stirling: And radio stations never paid musicians anyway!!!
	6:17pm listener phillip (in the bronx): One month and I'm still battling covid "omicron"
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Some people are sponsored by a stream - and actively pushed by "The Algorithm", so I'm sure some people make somewhat more from streaming services.
	6:18pm adampsyche: hey choggie the vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and hospitalizations amd deaths.
	6:18pm Baycon Wivegg: That's right Tom I am not aware that Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, etc have claimed it was royalty disputes for leaving Spotify, on the contrary, they explicitly sight Joe Rogan alone for their departure. They willingly accept the pay agreements they enjoyed.
	6:18pm Carmichael: Finally made it. So, a different way for an artist to look at it: free advertising. But some, like Neil, don't see the merit. Either way the artist owns the product and therefore has the choice.
	6:18pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Donated last year to get Mark Hurst to add Crucify Spotify to the Techtonic outro for a month. I stand by that.
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil is away and westward bound, high above the clouds he flys
	6:18pm marcel: choggie, not a fan of letting people die via uncontrolled spread of a virus even if they're not in full health (and that's also not a guarantee against getting seriously, life-threateningly ill -- the only think that comes pretty damn close to it is a recent vaccination)
	6:18pm TDK60: Hi Ken.
	6:19pm Andrew Waterloo: Joe Rogan isn't Columbo. He's the detective at the beginning that tells Columbo the case is an easy solve, the detective that has completely bought into the frame up.
	6:19pm morphe': Niall - tried to write at the end of Olivia - Spring or Summer ??? Brandon Quay or some cans at my Grandparents' tomb(and other Flynns) in Killshannig
	6:19pm P-90: “…if liberals succeed in pressuring Spotify into abandoning…” who wrote that steaming pile of childish bullshit?
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Very much, WHHenry. It's Payola. Olivia's newsletter had a good article about it recently, but I can't find the URL. I think, though, that searching around the name of the guy who made the chart at the top of the playlist will get you there.
	6:19pm Doug in JC: The polio vaccine came out in 1948 you clod (+ my condolences)
	6:19pm YETI BOB: Listener Robert: that's just incorrect. Vaccination reduces the risk of spreading the virus.
	6:19pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I got "omicron" somehow maybe the city of NY wont push the vaccine on me
	🤖 6:19pm DjLorraine: Harmful misformation is not free speach. Team Earth
	🤖 6:19pm tim from washington: Not TCBY!?!
	6:19pm I’m with Neil: I got my COVID the same week I got the vac Good timing. My dr thinks it helped keep it easy. Anosmia totally sucked and took months to get over
	6:19pm marcel: but anyway, not too interested in debating the covid stuff, that's settled anyway (at least where i live they're just letting it rip through now)
	6:19pm melinda: @Listener Robert you are right. I've followed the doctors everyone is pissed about and a lot of the things people are calling misinformation is actually supported by other well-credentialed and less controversial doctors.
	6:20pm Niall: @morphe' - firepit in my back yard or at one of my pals', even! I'll be home by Paddy's Day and there until August.
	6:20pm YETI BOB: this is bad for my blood pressure, i'm out
	6:20pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young et al are mad at Joe Rogan!!!! Not the lack of payment!!!! Isn't that the point of all this hoopla!!??
	6:21pm joe mulligan: never liked podcasts, always thought they were just idiot op-eds
	6:21pm annette: get those dumplings cookin. happy new year. dumps on the house.
	6:21pm choggie: Agreed Adam. Those in the highest risk categories benefit from the vaccine. Big Pharma will still win, as will the tiny tyrants like the Cali governor making sweeping totalitarian mandates, as will the cunts banning travel and inventing bullshit like vac-padsports. Worse are they than the virus itself
	6:21pm morphe': Niall - sounds good ...
	6:21pm Baycon Wivegg: I can't afford streaming.
	6:21pm Switchblade Batman: I unsubscribed from Spotify the other day. I was looking to go for a while, but the Rogan thing was the final nail in the coffin.
	6:21pm Listener Robert: Yeti, where are your data coming from? Before the vaccines were deployed, there was hope they would have such an effect. Maybe they even DID reduce transmission somewhat for the strains them prevalent. But for the strains we've had since the 2nd half of 2021, no.
	6:21pm Jeff Moore: I continue to root against Spotify because of how badly they pay artists and because their streams just don't sound particularly good. I didn't realistically expect for the stands by Neil Young and friends to take down the rotten edifice which is Spotify, but I was letting myself cheer for them from the sidelines. I'm sure Tidal is far from blameless, but I've been enjoying using them as my promary streaming service for years. The music sounds good via Tidal, and while everybody underpays artists, they don't seem to do it as badly at Tidal as at Spotify.
	6:22pm Niall: @morphe' I wonder if you're related to my Aunt Joan, nee Flynn, from Maharees. "some cans at my Grandparents' tomb" - this is dangerously close to one of my favorite recent Alan Partridge gags: "cans at the cenotaph!"
	6:22pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Melinda, I am trying to email you through the WFMU Freindship Portal.
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: You can’t spell Spotify without iffy.
	6:22pm Carmichael: I've never listened to Spotify and never intend to. Just another social media device to take and not to give.
	6:22pm K: Don't listen to Spotify. Never did. Team Neil here.
	6:22pm Marie: I was hoping Howard Stern would crucify tucker c. because tucker insulted him but I don't think he is picking up on that
	6:23pm TheRealMattClarke: The worst thing about Spotify is how little they pay for the content they sell.
	6:23pm melinda: @Neil thanks for the heads up
	6:23pm common: Same here, carmicheal and K
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1920: “Evil does not naturally dwell in the world, in events, or in people. Evil is a by-product of forgetfulness, laziness, or distraction: it arises when we lose sight of our true aim in life. When we remember that our aim is spiritual progress, we return to striving to be our best selves. This is how happiness is won.”
	6:23pm Baycon Wivegg: “In modern-day American liberalism, however, censorship is a virtual religion. They simply cannot abide the idea that anyone who thinks differently or sees the world differently than they should be heard…”
	6:23pm marcel: what explains the different payouts of the different platforms?
	6:24pm Carmichael: BTW, I am an old hippie and still relevant.
	6:24pm P-90: The fee structure for artists on streaming services is a completely separate issue, the artists who’ve renounced Spotify because Rohan is still there all made it clear that his CoV19 dis/misinfo was their issue in this case.
	6:24pm Baycon Wivegg: That sounds like Krisnamurti PaulRobeson.
	6:24pm McGroovey: I've never seen the need for Spotify. I listen to music other places, and I get podcasts other places. Spotify doesn't matter. I have my own music, when I know what I want to listen to, or I have WFMU when I don't know what I want to listen to. Or, to sample things in not sure about, i do that in Bandcamp or YouTube. Podcasts? I use RSS feeds and an RSS reader app.
	6:24pm _Ike_: @Handy, I believe its original name was Hooda or some such. Maybe starting w/a "W". @Phillip, $60 is too much. Switch to Tello, Page Plus, or H2O Wireless.
	6:24pm Cassettivity: For me, the question isn't that we need to make sure that the only message being discussed is the 'right' one. This is the problem with the term 'misinformation'. That term implies that it's a binary thing. We all have seen that science evolves and changes (cigarettes, aspirin, etc) and I don't think we should censor things because they are counter to what the government & Pharma is promoting (most people are only get their info from these sources, so I feel its safe to make this generalization). I grew up strongly skeptical of government and big Pharma.
	6:24pm choggie: Doug in JC, yeah, and they started working on the Polio vac in the 30s.....took over 20 years to develop a successful vaccine. Common cold and flus will be with us for probably another 100+ years
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What about Techtonic's main assertion - that SpottyFee's business model is in fact about surveilling user behavior ? & they are utterly & totally not transparent (that means honest) about it. Is investing majorly in lethal disinformation & the debilitation of our society surprise?
	6:24pm julian in LA: lots of the use "misinformation" without actually saying what the misinformation is....
	6:25pm TDK60: The only folks I send $ to for music is this freeform outfit, right here.
	6:25pm seedfriend: Good thinking
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *any surprise
	6:25pm julian in LA: meanwhile Amazon is pure evil but it's perfectly ok for heil to be there?
	6:26pm Glistener MW: !!! NAPSTER is back? Whoa! -- I hadn't heard hide nor hair of them as an entity since their ridiculous product-placement in "The Italian Job" 2003 remake
	6:26pm Baycon Wivegg: Exactly julian,, ust goes to show what a fuckn sellout Neil Young is.
	🤖 6:26pm Folsom: I got youtube music since i had the old google play music, it is pretty poor but i get youtube ad free along with it, so i keep it.
	6:27pm julian in LA: sounds like this was a deal he make with amazon before he even made this statement lol
	6:27pm adampsyche: can we have a wfmu app with local caching so that i can play Duane Train archives whenever I want, signal or no signal
	6:27pm Carmichael: That's right, TDK. The hardest working DJs in show business get my $.
	6:27pm TheRealMattClarke: "Youtube Music " is not "Youtube". "Youtube Music" is a subscription music service like Spotify.
	6:27pm Cassettivity: Also, just curious how many people angry with Rogan have listened to these controversial podcasts?
	6:27pm morphe': No - Tadhg Flynn (my mother's brother) Married Eillen Goodwin of Killshanig .. and she moved to Stradbally ..The Goodwins were established there .. The Goodwins on the low Rd between Castle and Stradbally Strand were Goodwins from Killshannig.. Never knew there were Flynn's by birth out there... Maybe on the Fahamore side?
	6:27pm coelacanth∅: yet certain wfmu show host get a large % of the songs they play from youboob
	6:27pm TDK60: I'm more concerned that some quack gets to have access to millions, spewing anti-medical garbage. But that's "freedom" to those morons.
	6:27pm julian in LA: that's why i only pay for WFMU
	6:28pm K: Streaming has obviously gutted the music industry. Touring is the only way to make money in the biz. Spotify also disrupts FM radio. Unfortunately millennials don't care all that much. FMU is an excellent example of the anti-Spotify solution.
	6:28pm Mike J: The ethicist Tom Murray said, "You reward what you value." Clearly Spotify values quackery over responsible content.
	6:28pm HyperDose: Spotify downloaders are trash. Use a Deezer or Tidal ripper
	6:28pm adampsyche: Cassettivity:why do i need to listen to the podcast, the reported views are horrible
	6:28pm Marie: Part of the problem, to me, is that these super-large, digital entities are hard to change. How does an average person make an impact on a Facebook or other large digital entity? We have to advocate.
	6:28pm Cassettivity: The Rogan 'apology' video is interesting to watch, if people are curious.
	6:28pm julian in LA: how about if you dont like joe rogan dont listen? lol live and let live
	6:28pm Tom from Stirling: The virus is on the downswing. NOW Neil Young gets outraged. Money Money. Neil Young dun got old.
	🤖 6:28pm Will the Sound Guy: I'm Team WFMU
	6:29pm Niall: @morphe' I know some goodwins, too. Noel worked on my house about 15 years ago! And his sister cooks (cooked?) at a resto in Castle, Pisces.
	6:29pm Carmichael: I think Abbie Hoffman started it all with Steal This Book.
	6:29pm choggie: K. SPOT ON live performance is where the $ is for most musicians. Just look at how much KLUTCH tours....or did before Covid. You work hard until you can't anymore
	🤖 6:29pm PaulRobeson1920: Steal this comment
	6:29pm Cassettivity: @adampsyche I've found it really interesting to investigate views I disagree with. I've often surprised myself when I don't rely on second/third hand info
	6:29pm minkwest: Me too Will!
	6:29pm Niall: @morphe' And I'm pretty sure Noel's my Aunt Joan's cousin.
	6:29pm gauche knee: From best to worst: Napster, Tidal, Apple, Spotify, YT per $1 earned for artist Will check out Npster & Tdal. Thanks for these breakdowns, Ken!
	6:29pm Baycon Wivegg: Covid is equal to the flu. It's 97% survivable. Natural immunity is superior to nMRA. Those that died were very old or and comorbities. Old people in nursing homes were euthanized to increase deaths, hospitals were paid north of $100. for a dead "Covid" paitent
	6:30pm Baycon Wivegg: That is $100,000. Not $100.
	6:30pm marcel: i agree @Marie and that's also why i'm wondering what would happen if really a lot of people switch to amazon or apple or maybe even tidal. would they then have the market power to impose worse payouts? i just dont see a rational reason for a company like tidal to pay that much more money to their artists. guess it's a scale thing like the caller said: more streams on spotify so you make the same money you make on tidal even with less payout
	6:30pm Carmichael: Whooda, you're pretty bad at anonymizing yourself.
	🤖 6:31pm tim from washington: The main reason I don't use streaming services is the lack of human curation. I only listen to music other than Techtonic and Fuzzy Glove hour so I have no use for podcasts. I don't want what I hear to be determined by an algorythm. Along with that I think the payout to musicians is bullshit.
	6:31pm Cassettivity: @Adampsyche when I heard him talk about ivermectin, I have to be honest, I felt like this was an exploration of some kind of 'other idea'. It was like listening to someone say "hey you know, it seems like this other thing might work? I wonder, what do you think?" and then people just talk about it
	6:31pm choggie: That's right Bacon, and life itself is about 90% survivable!!
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Wow, Baycon, you really take the "con" in your name seriously.
	6:31pm rdb: "after a while"
	6:31pm Niall: Ah, man, I dunno if I can stick around this chat. G'night, all. Morphe', keep an eye out for me, let's make this Bag of Cans happen!
	6:31pm P-90: “AFTER A WHILE he becomes pretty trite”?!!!
	6:31pm adampsyche: swipe left
	6:32pm chris_in_space: A Neil Young song better than "My New Robot?" NO WAY!
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Don't feed the trolls, folks.
	6:32pm Niall: This is the worst episode of the Best Show I've heard.
	6:32pm annette: shame that we are tearing each other up. after 2 years we have no sound guidance or info. PERIOD.
	6:32pm Baycon Wivegg: Rogan doesn't have anything to apologize for
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: Yeah. It's not bringing out my best either, Niall. YB had the right idea. Why yell at walls?
	6:32pm julian in LA: no can point to what the "misinformation" actually is. they just don't like joe rogan
	6:32pm Marie: Comedian expert on Covid
	6:32pm TDK60: Get vaxxed.
	6:32pm P-90: Rohan’s apology wasn’t “sincere” about anything but the threat to his deal with Spotify
	6:32pm Carmichael: Watch the doc on The Comedy Store. Rogan gets beat up fairly badly, seems he created his "dismissal".
	6:33pm HyperDose: "misinformation" is now just a buzzword people use when someone has an opinion that doesn't align with where they get their media from.
	6:33pm marcel: jeez that comment section really is a dumpster fire haha
	🤖 6:33pm tim from washington: I like screwball comedy. Steve Martin is hilarious!
	6:33pm Baycon Wivegg: Annette there is overwhelming information just not on main street propaganda or government sources.
	6:33pm melinda: @HyperDose exactly
	6:33pm julian in LA: "misinformation" is the lefts version of "fake news" its just a way to shut down opinions you dont agree with
	6:33pm Tom from Stirling: Next caller please. Thank you for calling.
	6:34pm minkwest: Rogan's listeners don't know better though. Many are just blind followers.
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: That would be the "far-wrong"..
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: HyperD @633 exactly
	6:34pm Andrew Waterloo: Tim Pool has reached a point where you actually feel a bit bad mocking him.
	6:34pm Niall: Night, @handy! Or at least I'll catch you with the next show, ja
	6:35pm gauche knee: I agree with this caller, Rogan is an idiot…who knows how to make money. Lots of idiots are millionaires.
	6:35pm Cassettivity: This guys take on Joe is pretty interesting
	6:35pm The Butterman: Joe is an exceptional MMA commentator and expert. Let’s leave it at that. I once pushed him out of the way in Vegas because he wan in my way getting talked to by female fans and was blocking my way at the hostess station. I gave him a shove.
	6:35pm julian in LA: no article actually says what the misinformation is... just like with dave chapelle... no one can actually quote a anti trans joke
	6:35pm Tom from Stirling: Okay already. Say bye bye. Yeah, Chris. Bye bye
	6:35pm coelacanth∅: i never heard of joe rogan before a few days ago. i still don't give a shit about it.
	6:35pm Baycon Wivegg: When the Vaxx / 'Rona fans get surrounded by truth they scream like little girls.
	6:35pm Listener Robert: I don't watch Joe Rogan. (I used to watch Fred Roggin, though -- "Roggin's Heroes".) But as to the complaint that he doesn't know the subject matter, how many talk show hosts does that not apply to?
	6:35pm adampsyche: thank you for the reminder Ken
	6:36pm julian in LA: it's like trying to give a book report without reading the damn book and just looking at headlines about the book
	6:36pm dale: why do you need to respect someone just for having a lot of followers? hitler and trump would demand respect if that's the only basis.
	6:36pm adampsyche: that was for Hyde Park Ken! peace
	6:36pm julian in LA: whats the misinformation ken? can you even say?
	6:37pm julian in LA: or are you just quoted corporate news sources funded by pfizer like NPR?
	6:37pm marcel: hey julian, that's the misinformation, i found it in a second while googling ’Healthy young people don’t need a Covid vaccine’ ‘The myocarditis risk is higher from vaccines than from Covid’ ’Ivermectin can drive this pathogen to extinction’ ‘mRNA vaccines are gene therapy’ “I’m not gonna get vaccinated. I have antibodies, it doesn’t make any sense.” Lockdowns ‘make things worse’
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil, be careful! It’s a longgg wayy down
	6:37pm Fredericks: What? I can't hear you. The radio is too loud.
	6:37pm P-90: I can’t take this “you have to give Joe Rogan respect for…” seriously. No he doesn’t do “deep research”’on anything, not just Covid, and yes he’s a straight up liar who has told any lie he thought would get him attention. So what respect does he deserve? For making some good money from his pigsty…
	6:38pm van chinski: The idea that you have to respect anyone who's popular or good at a job but spews right wing conspiracy garbage --? Eff that.
	6:38pm marcel: you wont give a shit though because you do not think this is misinformation and you think this is all true. but dont be so disingenuous, just say you disagree with the overwhelming majority of serious scientists and you rather side with some ridiculous clowns
	6:38pm julian in LA: lol healthy young people dont need vaccines they have a death rate of .01%
	6:38pm Baycon Wivegg: “The corporate media still has the ability to render a company toxic, and the Democratic Party more now than ever has the power to abuse their lawmaking and regulatory powers to impose real punishment for disobedience, as it has repeatedly threatened to do. If Facebook or Spotify are deemed to be so toxic that no Good Liberals can use them without being attacked as complicit in fascism, white supremacy or anti-vax fanaticism, then that will severely limit, if not entirely sabotage, a company's future viability.”
	6:38pm annette: @gauch. lump those kardashians into the dumpster fire. dumb rich idiots.
	6:38pm minkwest: I don't think Rogan apologized. He stated that he was aiming to make interesting conversations that people enjoy. He's an entertainer who takes no responsibility for the fact that his huge audience is largely gullible and easily manipulated.
	6:38pm Marie: I know someone who is a Lyndon LaRoucher who loved Trump. Finally this guy had to let the Trumplove go but he continues to hold with ideas that are largely held to be be lunacy--I have to conclude that there is something off about his brain or that he just likes to think he knows better than almost everyone else
	6:39pm Tommy in Neversink: Ken you're talking to a nut
	6:39pm marcel: everything covid-adjacent really brings out the galaxy brains. anyway have a good evening
	6:39pm van chinski: This woman is ridiculous. Lies, conspiracy theories and proven misinformation aren't "other views" ffs.
	6:39pm JeremyB: She isn't listening to anything you said ken, she is batshit crazy looking to pick a fight
	6:39pm Baycon Wivegg: DR. Rogan invented the mRNA tech. It is disingenuous to claim the government isn't censoring Drs and professional DJ Ken.
	6:40pm Glistener MW: Tribalized/polarized caller complains about tribalizing / polarization. SMH.
	6:40pm Tommy in Neversink: ken ..hang up
	6:40pm rdb: free speech for the people I AGREE WITH
	6:40pm van chinski: De-platform this phone call
	🤖 6:40pm DjLorraine: Many people don't know they have an underlying condition. Many children died needlessly. Not everyone recovers enough to have a healthy interaction with their own life. Long covid is torture.
	6:40pm WO Town Wick: Techtonic has been anti Spotify, anti google and anti Facebook for years. This lady is annoying and probably not a regular WFMU listener.
	6:40pm Polly.: wow - this is serious tinfoil hat talk
	6:40pm Glistener MW: I'd rather listen to Neil Young than this caller.
	6:40pm Baycon Wivegg: *Dr. Malone developed the mRNA
	6:41pm JeremyB: END this call!
	6:41pm K: Musicians DO go other places if they have half a brain. Bandcamp is a pretty fair platform that FMU supports heartily.
	6:41pm drew: Oh, for SMK to credit another venue with ruining music! Big of him. It's why I listen here, after all.
	6:41pm morphe': Marie - you don't believe Kissinger and others were communists involved in LSD pedophile orgies in the '60s-70s??? Are you crazy!!!
	6:41pm JeremyB: LOL
	6:41pm Niall: Oh jesus bad-faith callers, too. Okay, let's see what's on Resonance FM and Dublin Digital Radio. Night, all.
	6:41pm melinda: @marcel it's not the overwhelming majority of serious scientists
	6:41pm LCBD: Hear hear JeremyB!
	6:41pm evancuts: Always awkward when Ken's wife calls live.
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: Bandcamp is pretty nice to artists.
	6:41pm Andrew Waterloo: Robert Malone spent several months showcases a video claiming it was proof a covid Vaccine death.. it turned out the video was from 2013... that's stunning research
	6:41pm julian in LA: @marcel here are the actual numbers from the american association of perdiatrics : https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
	6:41pm bringmerain: Dude that lady wanted NONE of it lolololol
	6:42pm Baycon Wivegg: “... but liberals in particular are clearly the hegemonic culture force in key institutions: media, academia and Hollywood. That is why it is a mistake to assume that we are near the end of their orgy of censorship and de-platforming victories. It is far more likely that we are much closer to the beginning than the end.”
	6:42pm K: @Niall Good choices!
	6:42pm dale: send that lady a pretty little hat!
	6:42pm Jeff Moore: @Bas: Yes! Yay Bandcamp!
	6:42pm TDK60: "Culture war"? It's a frigging medical nightmare. The question below all the others is the vax. and the b.s. spewed by pandemo-fascists.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! CAN YOU HEAR ME FROM UP THERE?
	6:42pm JeremyB: Look, dump the garbage streams, listen to WFMU, buy your music from record shops and bandcamp and put the bandcamp app on your phone.
	6:42pm Tom from Stirling: Gang up on the girl who disagrees with the FMU viewpoint.
	6:42pm julian in LA: the vaccine doesn't stop covid. so may people are triple vaxxed and have covid. it's just a corporate cash grab
	🤖 6:43pm Will the Sound Guy: Bandcamp is extending the first friday to the artist program. I forget how long, but they're actually doing good.
	6:43pm WO Town Wick: LOL at evancuts @6:41
	6:43pm Carmichael: Don't confuse liberals with progressives, whooda.
	6:43pm JeremyB: If you don't like what's on WFMU check the archives or listen to www.ynotradio.net
	6:43pm annette: JEREMY. YAY. YAY. YAY.
	6:43pm P-90: In a free market, a “platform” like Spotify, which is a private business, is free to choose who they carry on their service. They have ZERO interest in “silencing” anyone or “violating their rights.” If Spotify’s management chooses to choose to cut Rogan because they believe it’s what their shareholders and customers prefer, that’s THEIR right, their freedom.
	6:43pm kevlicki: Hi everyone, what’s the topic? Neil you g vs David Crosby, sting vs Copeland are hot dogs sandwiches?
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! HOLD ON TO THE BASKET WITH BOTH HANDS! NEIL? CAN YOU HEAR ME?
	6:43pm Kovan: @Bas @Jeff Moore. One more for Bandcamp!!
	6:43pm dale: julian - the hope is that it prevents you from getting sick enough to go on a ventilator.
	6:43pm Tommy in Neversink: Tom from Stirling......her disagreements were fine ....she wouldn't let ken talk
	6:43pm Marie: To state the obvious: The beef about presenting misinformation about Covid is because there are scientific facts about it and sometimes they are distorted or conflicting information is presented about that and it has real-world negative effects. That is what Neil is protesting. Why would people defend the presentation of bad info. on a god-damn pandemic?
	6:43pm Tom from Stirling: Ken showed real patience with that angry caller. Kudos to Ken.
	6:43pm bringmerain: Jeremy ❤
	6:44pm Listener Robert: Marcel, those are mostly either puffery or simple factual judgments. In my judgment too, healthy young people don't benefit from a Covid vaccine, knowing what we know now -- and I work in immunology, so I follow and know this shit. The person who said they weren't going to get vaccinated because they have antibodies must have the from natural immunity, which is more effective than the single-epitope mRNA vaccines produce. The myocarditis figures are still in flux, and for people in certain age groups, it now looks like the risk of myocarditis truly is greater from the vaccine than from exposure to the most prevalent current strain of the virus.
	6:44pm solo mon: Play something from Neil Young Trans album please!
	6:44pm minkwest: I find it odd that 2 years in, so many people still don't know what the vaccines do and why people have chosen to take them.
	6:44pm (Murakami Whywolf))): She mentioned some guy name 'Mark Malone'[sp?] repeatedly when Mr Freedman hadn't mentioned him at all. This meant that her interest was somewhere else even as she accused Freedman of not really talking about what he was talking about.
	6:44pm Glistener MW: Yes to Bandcamp! They give a little over 80% (I believe 83 or 87%?) of each dollar of a purchase to the artists -- and 100% on "Bandcamp Friday", the first Friday of every month. I love when WFMU DJs post direct links to artists' bandcamp pages
	6:44pm dale: ken - i thought t-bone was your favorite neil song.
	6:44pm Baycon Wivegg: If people would seek out their own information and avoid the Mainstream propaganda, there would be much less disagreement amongst us.
	6:44pm julian in LA: @dale youre not going on the ventilator unless you are at high risk and have preexisting conditions.
	6:44pm JeremyB: Good point ken!
	6:44pm LCBD: Please play Neil Young! Agreed Tom from Stirling! Ken, you deserve a medal for that one
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...that SpottyFee's business model is in fact about surveilling user behavior ? ...No? Nothing? ...Nevermind... That SpottyFees is destroying Music. That it's simultaneously paying a truly obscene amount to a Professional Bloviator to propagate lethal lies & stir up social dissonance.
	6:44pm bringmerain: YES Team NEIL YOUNG 4ever she really just found wfmu today for real 🪵
	6:45pm K: @Kovan @Bas @Jeff Moore Bandcamp is it (online). Team Bandcamp.
	6:45pm melinda: that was a great episode
	6:45pm Fishtown Mike: @minkwest, never underestimate the power of the American moron.
	6:45pm Shonda: I think you are wacked, Bayco
	6:45pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young is the one who only got mad at Spotify now. Not FMU.
	6:45pm julian in LA: why does the FDA want to seal the safety research for 75 years? that speaks volumes right there. that's some JFK stuff
	6:45pm P-90: If that caller listened to the station regularly, she would know how LONG and how often these issues have been discussed and debated.
	6:46pm coelacanth∅: there are lots and lots of assholes who consider those who don't agree with them the enemy. people they formerly loved and like, formerly respected the opinions of. suddenly they're WRONG. ...because they must be idiots after all if they're not sold on the same viewpoint.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: The real problem is monopoly and platforming of streaming music, streaming video etc. People don't realize they can stream their own music, but that feeds into the futility of adding your tears to the rainstorm, in the metaphor of Roy Batty.
	6:46pm Carmichael: WTF are you talking about, Julian?! Cite your sources.
	6:46pm JeremyB: yeah rogan is gonna get a ton of subs out of this
	6:47pm adampsyche: these noodles are amazing
	6:47pm Fuzzy: Never listened to Spotify before -- the only streaming service I give money to is WFMU (NJ non-local here.) I'd rather jam with Neil than listen to Bro Rogan.
	6:47pm julian in LA: it's like oh i heard on NPR and NYT that the vaccine stops the spread... well guess who pays their bills? PFIZER!
	6:47pm Vanessa bikes: I always suspect that people are thinking all news is good news for business.
	6:47pm malĥerbo (nl): https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/freshwater/deaths-from-dirty-water/story
	6:47pm morphe': I was calling to shift the topic to musicians getting paid .. on hold .... I had a whole "integrity" problem starting in the late 70s .. I discovered NYU New Afternoon Show (EFD) and then FMU (also quit my coke biz and got a minimum wage job and Barnes&Noble) and stopped buying records ... still went to live music and paid the bands all the time but felt bad about not buying music = same until 2022???
	6:47pm Baycon Wivegg: Carmichael, YOU demanding sources!? that's a hoot. You won't even read them!
	6:48pm Carmichael: How's West Virginia, whooda? he he
	🤖 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: Less Spotify, more Scottify! That's my motto!
	🤖 6:48pm Will the Sound Guy: I want some source material to read up on...
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...we also need to stop pandering to untenable Hypotheses by referring to them as Theories...
	6:49pm Old Dave: Ottawa is blowing up? Why? I thought Canadians were able to be nice and deal with life, including possibly being a truck driver who withholds some urges to be the big jerk of the moment.
	🤖 6:49pm DjLorraine: I thought Joe Rogan interviewed Dr David Systrum or Dr Jared Younger
	6:49pm minkwest: Given that Neil has moved to Amazon music, the focus should be on Rogan and his influence and responsibliity given his influence.
	6:49pm Baycon Wivegg: Passive aggressive much Charm?
	6:49pm melinda: @julian I don't know if it's JFK level but it's definitely not a good sign. The court ordered them to release the data sooner though, like in 8 months or so.
	6:49pm Thurston Howl: I support anti-vaxer's right to drag this pandemic on until the end of time.
	6:49pm HyperDose: Rogan is the person they're using as an example to highlight a bigger issue. He got a great financial deal from something he built from the ground up. Isn't that the American dream? The arguments against him seem to reek of jealousy because he's hyper successful in several fields.
	6:50pm Listener Robert: Minkwest, 2 years is not a long time at all to study the effect of a new vaccine technology on a new virus.
	6:50pm JeremyB: Yeah but Neil sending people over to amazon isn't the answer either
	6:50pm malĥerbo (nl): Aka making commercials: making money from lies
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: It's not a commercial break... it's our transmitter that broke.
	6:50pm adampsyche: i'm so happy that the comments board gets reset every show
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL WE LOVE YOU! USE TWO HANDS! HIGH WINDS IN OHIO
	6:50pm Cassettivity: Issue aside, the way people are referring to 'misinformation' makes me feel like I am in a dystopian future.
	6:50pm julian in LA: @melinda... that's good! gonna be full of black lines lol
	6:50pm K: @JeremyB Neil oughta send em over to Bandcamp. WTF!
	6:51pm Hoboken Pete: @Bas NL Bandcamp is good to artists. I've listened to many artists on FMU and bought music from it. It's interesting however that Spotify (through their nutty algorithm) has made me aware of a lot of live shows of bands I've listened to on the platform (by posting tour dates). I've seen 3x times as much live music because of it. Maybe a more direct way of supporting your favorite artist by seeing them live?
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: hahaha...i don't think she was listening!
	6:51pm Tommy in Neversink: Hyper Dose...really ? Jealousy....that's pretty ridicules
	6:51pm melinda: @Cassettivity I know what you mean
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: 2/3 of Americans will never attend university
	6:52pm carrots: worst Techtonic ever…
	6:52pm Vanessa bikes: curious about what Ken was going to talk about before this happened.. did he say?
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: i Love Neil. he's a senile fool and i Love him.
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: @Hoboken Pete Maybe something Bandcamp could pick up on?
	6:52pm solo mon: Spotify only pays .0001 cents for every misinformation.
	6:52pm julian in LA: it's all tribalism.. if trump was president no one would be taking the vaccine and the
	6:52pm P-90: And who is this “Mark Malone”? I don’t want to know, do I…?
	6:52pm gauche knee: Idk what the big deal is, EVERYONE knows the NewsRadio Cast from best to worst is : Phil Hartman, Stephen Root, Vicki Lewis, Dave Foley, Andy Dock, Khandi Alexander, Maura Tierney, & Joe Rogan dead last.
	6:52pm Tom from Stirling: Thought the point Neil Young is making is that people are dying from the bad info spewed by Joe Rogan.
	6:53pm Baycon Wivegg: The rest of the world will wake up and be very angry that they were gaslighted by their own government to introduce tyranny
	6:53pm melinda: @P-90 it's Robert Malone
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL DO YOU HEAR US? WE LOVE YOU DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND
	6:53pm van chinski: There's disagreeing with someone's opinion and there's calling someone out for pushing horsecrap "science". It's not arguing over favorite bands or movies. People are goddamn dying.
	6:53pm TDK60: That's the point, Tom @ 6:52.
	6:53pm _Ike_: @HyperDose, I don't think a lot of WFMU listeners care that much about standard American "success" or money, so why would they be jealous? I can't speak for everybody else though.
	6:53pm morphe': A LOVELY CALL !!!!!!! And seemingly from newly recently crazy Canada !!!!
	6:54pm HyperDose: @Tommy There's a lot of public people I don't agree with. Their opinions differ than mine. I choose not to listen to them instead of throwing a conniption fit about it.
	6:54pm annette: geeze, caller. get to yer point.
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: Organizing is an art. leadership is so important in any organizing effort
	6:54pm Tome: * Go to the window ,,, * !<>!
	6:54pm I’m with Neil: And I’m Chris from Brooklyn The Venn diagram of Joe Rogan and authoritarian morons in his audience is frightening He Like the former guy Is afraid of losing his audience Hence the stupidity. That and a large dose of Dunning Kruger
	6:54pm Shonda: This chat board today is an illustration of why I am not on Twitter or Facebook--overconfident, angry nuts, like Bayco.
	6:55pm G: @Shonda. Correctamundo.
	6:55pm Tom from Stirling: Yeah, TDK60. But everyone got sidetracked with the music royalties etc.
	6:55pm Baycon Wivegg: I am not on fb or twitter Shonda
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! WINDY, DO YOU HEAR ME! WINDY
	6:55pm minkwest: I think back to listening to the NYT's scary podcast Rabbit Hole about Youtube algorithms and the effect on the viewer. I feel like the message can be extrapolated to other platforms equally.
	6:55pm julian in LA: it's all tribalism. people who dont want to get vaccinated aren't going to suddenly take it because neil young lol
	6:55pm Fredericks: MRNA has been in the works for 20 years or more.
	6:55pm G: @Shonda: On both "sides"
	6:56pm Fuzzy: It's a Freak Show, folks. And if you're in the USA, you've got a front-row seat!
	6:56pm solo mon: I think Darryl Hannah is behind this all.
	6:56pm Baycon Wivegg: I am confident in the information I researched for myself.
	6:56pm JeremyB: I agree KEN!
	6:56pm Adam West Coaster: The preceding call was perfect!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! WE LOVE YOU! BE CAREFUL YOUR BALLON IS SO HIGH
	6:56pm dale: take the next hour ken.
	6:56pm HyperDose: One hundred percent, Julian in LA
	6:56pm Tome: Neil Young ? Protesting ? shocking !<>!
	6:56pm dday: Christ Station Manager Ken, put your clothes back on. I'm still stuck on the Taylor Ham or pork roll debate. I hope I live long enough to find the answer.
	6:56pm julian in LA: if TRUMP was still president NEIL would be telling everyone to not take the vaccine
	6:56pm P-90: Neil couldn’t live with sharing a platform with someone who was intentionally broadcasting lies about an epidemic, so he exercised his “agency” to terminate his business with them. Why would he just say “I quit” and conceal his reason for leaving?
	6:56pm Carmichael: @Shonda, normally these boards are pretty mellow, all about the music. This particular show causes lots of kooky remarks.
	6:56pm Listener Robert: Yes, Fredericks, it has been in the works that long, and it is a great idea, but this is the first large scale experience with it.
	6:56pm melinda: @solo mon I've heard that theory elsewhere
	6:57pm Shonda: You believe what you want to believe, Bayco--good luck with that
	6:57pm minkwest: Oh Shonda, as a Canadian dealing with the current angry convoy, twitter and facebook have me beyond anxious. I have been turning to WFMU to keep from losing my mind.
	6:57pm TDK60: Get vaxxed.
	6:57pm LCBD: Thanks Ken! Well done and bravo for amazing patience!
	🤖 6:57pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Staysh!!!
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Thanks, Ken! Keep On Rocking In The Free World!
	6:57pm Old Dave: I'm on team Neil. Not that i like him.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Ken! Peace &Love Ya’ll!!
	6:57pm Feldy: Thanks Ken. Staying on the WFMU platform for life
	6:57pm gauche knee: A bit of a whirlwind & interesting energy but a good show, Ken!
	6:58pm Tommy in Neversink: Neil isn't expecting more people to get vaccinated because of this . He just wants them to get the correct information in order make that decision
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, -жеи. Keep flattening the curve!
	6:58pm Baycon Wivegg: I do my own research it's not easy or fun but I know what I am talking about.
	6:58pm Carmichael: Anti-mask Anti-vax Anti-sign-on
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Ken!
	6:58pm woj: bathe my ears in the hang glider of suicide terrorists!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Ken!
	6:58pm julian in LA: everyone loses with cancel culture
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Ken. You were very sweet to that nice caller (whose name I didn't catch).
	6:58pm listener phillip (in the bronx): OMG😱 I thought ken was joking about the song
	6:58pm ottovonbqe: when you are on the side of censorship in America you have lost the plot. Sorry Neil Young, Sorry WFMU.
	6:58pm bleubombersune: Ken thanks for the insightful broadcast
	🤖 6:59pm Folsom: @Carmichael the Uyghur topic also brings out the crazies.
	6:59pm Baycon Wivegg: Mucho thankso DJ Ken! Thanks for not doing that nude floating head thing :)
	🤖 6:59pm tim from washington: Thanks Staysh! Guys - I'm pro hang gliders.
	6:59pm P-90: Actually, mRNA vaccines have been “in development” since the early eighties. This story about “the vaccine was made too fast” is another disinfo lie.
	6:59pm dale: people keep saying don't listen to mainstream media and do your own research. but you're only going to accept the 'research' that shores up your original viewpoint.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Wait ... I lost count. How many on each team was there?
	6:59pm solo mon: You call it cancel I call I curation
	6:59pm melinda: yes thanks for covering this Ken
	6:59pm McGroovey: I Shazamed this Neil song do that the data merchants know it's getting played somewhere. Everyone else should do the same.
	6:59pm Tom from Stirling: Is Thom Yorke still taking his music off Spotify? Hope so.
	6:59pm julian in LA: censorship is never the answer....
	6:59pm Tommy in Neversink: ottovonbqe: when you are on the side of lies you have lost the plot
	6:59pm McGroovey: *so that...
	6:59pm lazy pierogi: thanks ken and mark
	6:59pm annette: great show, Ken . great conversation, all. this is how we keep our country together.
	6:59pm HyperDose: Great show, Ken. Real hot potatoes tonight!
	6:59pm ?: On a lighter note, does anyone know anything about the music alternative RADIOOOOO app?
	6:59pm ottovonbqe: whatever, man. you're lost
	6:59pm gauche knee: Cancel cancel cancel culture.
	7:00pm Adam West Coaster: Thank you, Ken and Mark!
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: julian very true
	7:00pm Baycon Wivegg: i don't own a tv
	7:00pm julian in LA: used to be saying cloth masks didn't work was misinformation.... now it's "information" it's all kinda BS TBH
	7:00pm radioronan: .thanks Ken!
	7:00pm ottovonbqe: Julian right on.
	7:00pm Feldy: Niel could have replaced all of his music on Spotify with new material about fighting Covid.
	🤖 7:00pm DjLorraine: Propaganda is never the answer
	7:00pm choggie: You'll never convince the hardcore Kool-Aide drinkers Baycon..... The majority will lways be usefully idiots
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: yes i must say, i still Love Neil. and Fuck Him.
	7:01pm julian in LA: yeah thanks ken sorry i was a winey a hole lol
	7:01pm choggie: ....and it probably IS Daryl Hannah's fault
	7:02pm Baycon Wivegg: I know choggie, I just haven't been anywhere and not get cancelled. fun
	7:02pm (((Murakami Whywolf): P-90: A good point: people have been working on corona virus vaccines since the SARS outbreak, i.e. back when Ken's shows were half mashups.
	7:02pm Gabrielle: Read about RADIOOOOO app in the Nyer during the pandemic and it's free and awesome. But, feel like it's too good to be true. Any feedback? Didn't get thru the program to ask.
	7:03pm coelacanth∅: cancel culture is idiot culture. but idiots don't realise this.
	7:04pm Listener Robert: Murakami, they've been working on it since even earlier, with some successes. But there was never such a large scale experience as this. Not that easy to predict results when you use something on huge numbers of people.
	7:04pm (((Murakami Whywolf))): dale: The funny thing is that I had to be trained and to learn how to 'do my own research', and do it awhile before I did it well, even though it was in a fairly narrow subject. Why shouldn't Dunning-Kruger apply to people's abilities to do research?
	7:04pm Baycon Wivegg: Thanks a again Ken. Was nice to meet Hank on the podcast
	7:08pm Listener Robert: What can be said is that the mRNA vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 had a good benefit-risk profile in vulnerable demographics against the strains of virus that were prevalent early. But they didn't provide sterilizing immunity as had been hoped by some, and eventually the virus, partly due to the selection pressure provided by the vaccines themselves, mutated to escape. Fortunately the strains that have now emerged are about as pathogenic as the common cold, and are unlikely to ever mutate into something worse.
	7:09pm bringmerain: thanks Ken you did techtonic proud
	7:10pm Listener Robert: RNA-dependent RNA polymerase has no proofreading, so the replication of RNA viruses is very unfaithful, resulting quickly in lots of mutants.
	7:13pm Listener Robert: Many virologists think the common cold viruses we have now began at various times in the past as pandemic agents that in some cases caused a lot of deaths and debility. 2 years ago many predicted exactly what has happened: the replacement of the more pathogenic strain with a highly contagious, but merely a nuisance, strain that will be endemic, like the rest of the cold viruses.
	7:15pm Listener Robert: And the time period some were predicting that process to take? About 2 years. Spot on!
	7:16pm melinda: @Listener Robert thanks for the info
	7:24pm I’m with Neil: Real fun part of the culture war discussion was Ken dealing with his idols role in a kerfuffle. Neat point Robert. We are all descended from survivors of the 1918 pandemic. And most westerners the bubonic plague. As for Neil. Go buy some Lionel trains and keep him flush. Such a great show tonight. Ken is the best at handling calls. As for the American anger quotient: Too much teevee on steroids. Aka cellphone narcosis.
	7:24pm coelacanth∅: yet people still getting "boosters, even though the only people getting hit hard by the viruses now have been "vaxinated" oh well, we can never do enough to increase the wealth of billionaires.
	7:25pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Ken, by the way!
	7:29pm Listener Robert: Now they're promoting mRNA vaccine boosters for such a short term effect, it may actually be due to the NONSPECIFIC immunity boost you get for a short period by injecting ANYTHING foreign.
	7:39pm melinda: @coel it's a shame @Robert interesting
	7:57pm weiterso: Hi ARB, enjoyed the show a lot! Thank you!
	7:58pm weiterso: Hi ARB, enjoyed the show a lot! Thank you!

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	5:55pm Listener Robert: Not to put down Mr. Hurst, but I always look forward to when Ken hosts this show, because he always has saved up a great topic or gimmick of some sort. I just thought of something in that connection, Ken: Ever thought of providing a monthly, bimonthly, or quarterly slot for shows? Seems to me there'd be people who'd want to do a show REGULARLY but NOT SO FREQUENTLY as weekly, and would be better that way.
	🤖 6:01pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!
	6:01pm Yes: Yo ken + friends
	🤖 6:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Hi Ken and all!!!! Staysh!!!
	6:01pm Doug in JC: Ok, forget Spotify. We need to talk about the Wordle news
	6:01pm HyperDose: Sort of like Radio Row, but more tech and current event-focused, Robert?
	6:01pm Niall: I love that Napster appears to be the most remunerative (lease predatory?) service.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Ken! All!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: I need to blow my nose. Where's the Snottify app at?
	6:01pm Baycon Wivegg: Hi DJ Station Manager Ken. Have usually turned away by now.
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Evening, Ken! Excited for brouhaha-adjacent discussion. Listener R: See Radio Row, the Drop In, the Wiggle Room, etc.
	6:01pm marcel: RIP wordle : (
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Ken - you should do a Techtonic theme remix like Scott did!
	6:01pm P-90: “Mr. Hurst”? You mean Mark Hurst’s dad?
	6:02pm melinda: howdy SM Ken
	6:03pm rdb: joe rogaine?
	6:03pm Joey Joe Joe: Show some respect to Niles Lufgren, Ken! It’s his fight too!
	6:03pm P-90: I don’t think I’ve heard anyone call it “Rogangate” yet
	6:03pm melinda: Neil is overreacting, yes
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Staysh!
	6:03pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hello Ken
	6:04pm marcel: so who has redeemed their four weeks of free amazon music yet
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Any reason to dump Spotify is fine.
	6:04pm Baycon Wivegg: Already affected Spotify. Mainstream media unleased an avalanche of notes over the weekend claiming that Spotify has had $2 billion wiped off its market value because of the actions of Neil Young and others in opposing Joe Rogan’s content on the platform have now been exposed as embarrassing fake news…However, as Summit News' Steve Watson noted, and as pointed out by many on social media, the drop in value of Spotify stock is part of a longer downward trend that started before Neil Young uttered a word about Rogan.” “…since they announced Young was gone and Rogan is staying, their stock is actually up slightly.” https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/spotify-adds-billions-market-neil-young-nothingburger
	6:04pm P-90: Neil is not overreacting. Guy like Neil only has one possible reaction in any situation.
	6:05pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I don't use spotify. I'm in poverty.
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: New anonymous alias. Same crap rhetoric. The wheel turns.
	6:05pm listener phillip (in the bronx): @Ken- loved your interview on "Hoboken talks" with irwin
	6:06pm JeremyB: I think Neil Young can do whatever he wants in terms of his music. I don't think it will help a boycott going.
	6:06pm Cassettivity: I think you ended the discussion with "he went to Amazon"... for the ethics?
	6:06pm Niall: This calls for a Spinal Tap reunion. That would be a good five-minute bit.
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: I'm in lots of services, but because no one listens, I can't really compare how effective they are.
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil Young enjoys a good hot air balloon ride. he writes better in the air
	6:07pm admiral crisp: If they pull Rogan wouldn’t Spotify owe him a ton of money?
	6:07pm Glistener MW: My primary concern here is how this will affect my Pono Store purchases.
	6:07pm Listener Robert: "Cash value 1/100 cent."
	6:07pm Marie: Neil successfully made a big point. Now maybe he could do something about Alex Jones
	6:07pm Baycon Wivegg: “The one bright spot in all this — and it is a significant one — is that liberals have become such extremists in their quest to silence all adversaries that they are generating their own backlash, based in disgust for their tyrannical fanaticism.”
	6:07pm I’m with Neil: But I listen to Rogan and think he has skills. That are often clouded by dumbass
	6:08pm solo mon: We all know the pullout method doesn’t work.
	6:08pm P-90: Dolly Parton looked like she was considering a move…
	6:08pm Cassettivity: @solo mon! lolzzzz
	6:08pm WO Town Wick: I have dropped Spotify premium because of this, mostly because I can no longer ignore the low pay to musicians. I plan on living without for a months and then may go to Qobuz, since they pay bands more.
	6:08pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I dont want to be mean. But Neal Young is a washed up hippie? Hes more irrelevant than Bob Dylan who listens to his music anymore. Boomers?I guess
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: I'm on Team Neil for for pulling his music from Spotify. I didn't like his "I go or he goes" gambit. Like SPotify would ditch a cash cow,
	6:09pm HyperDose: Never understood streaming. Always preferred having the local files. No internet, no problem.
	6:09pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I find it interesting that its a showdown between talk radio and classic rock.
	6:09pm JeremyB: Tom Sharpling also pulled his podcast from spotify
	6:09pm Vertual: I'm disappointed that Barry Manilow didn't join Neil Young.
	6:10pm morphe': Pandora (2010?? = just before or after)- I remember when still teaching in NYC Alt HS (17-21 yer olds) ..I could play a song and get a continuous commercial free stream while the students were writing and I thought it great ... Guess not !!!
	🤖 6:10pm DjLorraine: Happy chinese new year: Water Tiger
	6:10pm listener phillip (in the bronx): In my life I have never listened to a podcast.
	6:10pm Niall: I wonder what Reply-All's gonna do.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Streams are for paddling, HyperDose. You better believe that's a paddlin'.
	6:10pm Baycon Wivegg: “...That is why there is much more at stake in this campaign to have Rogan removed from Spotify than whether this extremely popular podcast host will continue to be heard there or on another platform. If liberals succeed in pressuring Spotify to abandon their most valuable commodity, it will mean nobody is safe from their petty-tyrant tactics. But if they fail, it can embolden other platforms to similarly defy these bullying tactics, keeping our discourse a bit more free for just awhile longer.”
	6:10pm Glistener MW: Good point re: most musicians not controlling their own rights. I take it Neil Young fully owns/controls his own catalog, then?
	6:10pm adampsyche: happy lunar new year eve! dumplings and noodles on the way
	6:11pm Philip: Plenty of Neil Young music still available on Spotify.
	6:11pm listener phillip (in the bronx): Ohh what a huge surprise hippie baby boomers.
	🤖 6:11pm Bas NL: Does WFMU pay Neil Young for plays?
	6:11pm WO Town Wick: I listen to the Men in Blazers weekly podcast. I wonder what they'll do--if they'll pull from Spotify.
	6:11pm Glistener MW: David Crosby Inexplicably Demands Spotify Choose Between Him and 99% Invisible Podcast: thehardtimes.net...
	6:11pm Tom from Stirling: Did the old FM radio stations pay Neil Young or any other artists when played on the station? NO
	6:11pm dale: someone takes a stand and everyone sees a bandwagon.
	6:12pm melinda: I think we need to question accusations of 'misinformation'. One of the doctors who was on Rogan has more signatures of support from other physicians than the 250 or whatever who petitioned Spotify.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: I take it Nickelback would be associated with music wrongs?
	6:12pm I’m with Neil: I preferred Joe on YouTube Not fond of the Spotify and it’s more difficult to access his archives then it was in the past. Spotify went up 13% today
	6:12pm choggie: The real skinny on the risks of Covid: stop watching TV, get un-fat and un-diabetic (stop eating the shit TV sells you) and place the blame SQUARELY upon the lab in China where the shit came from. The biggest risk of the virus is to the world economy. Don't forget, mortality of Covid has been and will probably remain at less than ONE PERCENT of the world's population. Grow some.brains people, stop letting petty tyrants in your state governments dictate how and where you are allowed to live your lives
	6:12pm Tom from Stirling: Foo Fighters?! NOoooo! I mean Yeeeessss!
	6:12pm Doug in JC: Pat Sajak is a nazi
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Liberal- in the context of 1960 America- means you think all people are born innately good and we need laws that reflect this fact Has anyone told Neil Young to be careful?
	6:12pm adampsyche: that podcast person is the absolute worst, and no I don't need to listen to know that.
	6:12pm marcel: wow choggie thats total bs
	6:13pm I’m with Neil: And choggie don’t forget Take lots of steroids
	6:13pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Little Miss Can't be Wrong! They were roomates with the Blues Traveller whom, to my knowlege, NEVER been played on WFMU.
	6:13pm adampsyche: choggie did that podcast person send you here
	6:13pm YETI BOB: melinda: it's pretty bad, he's encouraging people in their 20s not to get vaxxed b/c they healthy (nevermind that they can still spread the virus), he's touting ivermectin, somebody needs to make the guy shut up. free speech does not mean speech free of consequences (shouting "fire")
	6:13pm LCBD: Mark Hurst would not like to hear that you went to YouTube!
	6:13pm Tom from Stirling: Thom Yorke? Take his shite off Spotify. Please
	6:14pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I love how these burned out hippies talk as though it's the 60s again and what they say is relevant.
	6:14pm choggie: We'll pick it apart Marcel instead of dismissing the entire comment. Knee jerking I'm not, you perhaps??
	6:14pm Niall: @Bas NL: radio stations pay songwriters via a blanket license (ASCAP?), IIRC.
	6:14pm Baycon Wivegg: All True Chhoggie, but the PTB are using it to herd us into global ID with greenpass, etc. Very dangerous.
	6:14pm Niall: Assuming that question was asked in good faith.
	6:15pm Marie: Any numbers on Spotify annual profits?
	🤖 6:15pm Bas NL: Thanks Niall. That would be similar as over here.
	6:15pm HyperDose: Neil was also the guy who thought a Toblerone shaped FLAC player was the future when such players were already obsolete.
	6:15pm dale: never listened to spotify. usually just have the radio on.
	6:15pm Doug in JC: I feel like it's more ethical to pirate music than it is to use spotify
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: If I didn't find the whole enterprise so vapid and depressing, I guess we could keep a record of the sockpuppet names Baycon / Poor Listener / etc. use to endlessly say the same nonsense.
	6:15pm I’m with Neil: Btw The IMF was rather upset with china discussing another lockdown as it would kibosh the 2-4.8% growth of the world economy this year. Money over people Oh Spotify pays .01per100 streams
	6:16pm P-90: I don’t think Neil ever for one second in his boomer artist/activist life thought that “all people are born innately good and we need laws that reflect this fact.”
	6:16pm listener phillip (in the bronx): Do you know how much I pay for unlimited GB on my Samsung A10e smartphone? $60 dollars a month
	6:16pm solo mon: Buskers make more money. Fisherman’s wharf is the new billboard top 10.
	6:16pm G: Instead of pennies from heaven, it's tenths of a penny from hell.
	6:16pm marcel: neil young kinda manages to stay relevant by complaining about sound quality, which is sort of impressive
	6:16pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young angry about Joe Rogen. Isn't that his gripe? Not that the artists don't get paid. Suddenly Neil finds Spotify is not paying artists. He knew that all along, did he not?
	6:16pm choggie: My dad died from covid, because he was overweight and had a bad heart.. mom and myself were hardly effected. Tens of thousands of people have had multiple vaccinations and still contract the virus how good really is a vaccine that was rolled out in the last 2 years should be the question in your mind. How long did it take to create an effective polio vaccine?
	6:17pm Listener Robert: But Yeti, since the vaccines we have for CoVID-19 don't provide sterilizing immunity or even significantly diminish virion counts in nose secretions, vaccination DOES NOT reduce the chance of someone else catching your CoVID-19, Eh, it's all moot now anyway. Omicron is vaccinating us all with very little morbidity.
	6:17pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: 10 mills=1 penny. This might be a useful unit.
	6:17pm YETI BOB: FFS we're heading into the 3rd year of this crap, approaching a million people dead in the USA, and its folks crazy addiction to "independent research" and "freedom" that's keeping it from ending. i'm ready to be free of this effing pandemic!
	6:17pm Andrew Waterloo: The problem with Spotify is I don't have enough hours in the day to get significant bang for that subscription fee
	6:17pm Glistener MW: Eve6, giving us the "inside-out" on Spotify
	6:17pm Tom from Stirling: And radio stations never paid musicians anyway!!!
	6:17pm listener phillip (in the bronx): One month and I'm still battling covid "omicron"
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Some people are sponsored by a stream - and actively pushed by "The Algorithm", so I'm sure some people make somewhat more from streaming services.
	6:18pm adampsyche: hey choggie the vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and hospitalizations amd deaths.
	6:18pm Baycon Wivegg: That's right Tom I am not aware that Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, etc have claimed it was royalty disputes for leaving Spotify, on the contrary, they explicitly sight Joe Rogan alone for their departure. They willingly accept the pay agreements they enjoyed.
	6:18pm Carmichael: Finally made it. So, a different way for an artist to look at it: free advertising. But some, like Neil, don't see the merit. Either way the artist owns the product and therefore has the choice.
	6:18pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Donated last year to get Mark Hurst to add Crucify Spotify to the Techtonic outro for a month. I stand by that.
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil is away and westward bound, high above the clouds he flys
	6:18pm marcel: choggie, not a fan of letting people die via uncontrolled spread of a virus even if they're not in full health (and that's also not a guarantee against getting seriously, life-threateningly ill -- the only think that comes pretty damn close to it is a recent vaccination)
	6:18pm TDK60: Hi Ken.
	6:19pm Andrew Waterloo: Joe Rogan isn't Columbo. He's the detective at the beginning that tells Columbo the case is an easy solve, the detective that has completely bought into the frame up.
	6:19pm morphe': Niall - tried to write at the end of Olivia - Spring or Summer ??? Brandon Quay or some cans at my Grandparents' tomb(and other Flynns) in Killshannig
	6:19pm P-90: “…if liberals succeed in pressuring Spotify into abandoning…” who wrote that steaming pile of childish bullshit?
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Very much, WHHenry. It's Payola. Olivia's newsletter had a good article about it recently, but I can't find the URL. I think, though, that searching around the name of the guy who made the chart at the top of the playlist will get you there.
	6:19pm Doug in JC: The polio vaccine came out in 1948 you clod (+ my condolences)
	6:19pm YETI BOB: Listener Robert: that's just incorrect. Vaccination reduces the risk of spreading the virus.
	6:19pm listener phillip (in the bronx): I got "omicron" somehow maybe the city of NY wont push the vaccine on me
	🤖 6:19pm DjLorraine: Harmful misformation is not free speach. Team Earth
	🤖 6:19pm tim from washington: Not TCBY!?!
	6:19pm I’m with Neil: I got my COVID the same week I got the vac Good timing. My dr thinks it helped keep it easy. Anosmia totally sucked and took months to get over
	6:19pm marcel: but anyway, not too interested in debating the covid stuff, that's settled anyway (at least where i live they're just letting it rip through now)
	6:19pm melinda: @Listener Robert you are right. I've followed the doctors everyone is pissed about and a lot of the things people are calling misinformation is actually supported by other well-credentialed and less controversial doctors.
	6:20pm Niall: @morphe' - firepit in my back yard or at one of my pals', even! I'll be home by Paddy's Day and there until August.
	6:20pm YETI BOB: this is bad for my blood pressure, i'm out
	6:20pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young et al are mad at Joe Rogan!!!! Not the lack of payment!!!! Isn't that the point of all this hoopla!!??
	6:21pm joe mulligan: never liked podcasts, always thought they were just idiot op-eds
	6:21pm annette: get those dumplings cookin. happy new year. dumps on the house.
	6:21pm choggie: Agreed Adam. Those in the highest risk categories benefit from the vaccine. Big Pharma will still win, as will the tiny tyrants like the Cali governor making sweeping totalitarian mandates, as will the cunts banning travel and inventing bullshit like vac-padsports. Worse are they than the virus itself
	6:21pm morphe': Niall - sounds good ...
	6:21pm Baycon Wivegg: I can't afford streaming.
	6:21pm Switchblade Batman: I unsubscribed from Spotify the other day. I was looking to go for a while, but the Rogan thing was the final nail in the coffin.
	6:21pm Listener Robert: Yeti, where are your data coming from? Before the vaccines were deployed, there was hope they would have such an effect. Maybe they even DID reduce transmission somewhat for the strains them prevalent. But for the strains we've had since the 2nd half of 2021, no.
	6:21pm Jeff Moore: I continue to root against Spotify because of how badly they pay artists and because their streams just don't sound particularly good. I didn't realistically expect for the stands by Neil Young and friends to take down the rotten edifice which is Spotify, but I was letting myself cheer for them from the sidelines. I'm sure Tidal is far from blameless, but I've been enjoying using them as my promary streaming service for years. The music sounds good via Tidal, and while everybody underpays artists, they don't seem to do it as badly at Tidal as at Spotify.
	6:22pm Niall: @morphe' I wonder if you're related to my Aunt Joan, nee Flynn, from Maharees. "some cans at my Grandparents' tomb" - this is dangerously close to one of my favorite recent Alan Partridge gags: "cans at the cenotaph!"
	6:22pm Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Melinda, I am trying to email you through the WFMU Freindship Portal.
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: You can’t spell Spotify without iffy.
	6:22pm Carmichael: I've never listened to Spotify and never intend to. Just another social media device to take and not to give.
	6:22pm K: Don't listen to Spotify. Never did. Team Neil here.
	6:22pm Marie: I was hoping Howard Stern would crucify tucker c. because tucker insulted him but I don't think he is picking up on that
	6:23pm TheRealMattClarke: The worst thing about Spotify is how little they pay for the content they sell.
	6:23pm melinda: @Neil thanks for the heads up
	6:23pm common: Same here, carmicheal and K
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1920: “Evil does not naturally dwell in the world, in events, or in people. Evil is a by-product of forgetfulness, laziness, or distraction: it arises when we lose sight of our true aim in life. When we remember that our aim is spiritual progress, we return to striving to be our best selves. This is how happiness is won.”
	6:23pm Baycon Wivegg: “In modern-day American liberalism, however, censorship is a virtual religion. They simply cannot abide the idea that anyone who thinks differently or sees the world differently than they should be heard…”
	6:23pm marcel: what explains the different payouts of the different platforms?
	6:24pm Carmichael: BTW, I am an old hippie and still relevant.
	6:24pm P-90: The fee structure for artists on streaming services is a completely separate issue, the artists who’ve renounced Spotify because Rohan is still there all made it clear that his CoV19 dis/misinfo was their issue in this case.
	6:24pm Baycon Wivegg: That sounds like Krisnamurti PaulRobeson.
	6:24pm McGroovey: I've never seen the need for Spotify. I listen to music other places, and I get podcasts other places. Spotify doesn't matter. I have my own music, when I know what I want to listen to, or I have WFMU when I don't know what I want to listen to. Or, to sample things in not sure about, i do that in Bandcamp or YouTube. Podcasts? I use RSS feeds and an RSS reader app.
	6:24pm _Ike_: @Handy, I believe its original name was Hooda or some such. Maybe starting w/a "W". @Phillip, $60 is too much. Switch to Tello, Page Plus, or H2O Wireless.
	6:24pm Cassettivity: For me, the question isn't that we need to make sure that the only message being discussed is the 'right' one. This is the problem with the term 'misinformation'. That term implies that it's a binary thing. We all have seen that science evolves and changes (cigarettes, aspirin, etc) and I don't think we should censor things because they are counter to what the government & Pharma is promoting (most people are only get their info from these sources, so I feel its safe to make this generalization). I grew up strongly skeptical of government and big Pharma.
	6:24pm choggie: Doug in JC, yeah, and they started working on the Polio vac in the 30s.....took over 20 years to develop a successful vaccine. Common cold and flus will be with us for probably another 100+ years
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What about Techtonic's main assertion - that SpottyFee's business model is in fact about surveilling user behavior ? & they are utterly & totally not transparent (that means honest) about it. Is investing majorly in lethal disinformation & the debilitation of our society surprise?
	6:24pm julian in LA: lots of the use "misinformation" without actually saying what the misinformation is....
	6:25pm TDK60: The only folks I send $ to for music is this freeform outfit, right here.
	6:25pm seedfriend: Good thinking
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *any surprise
	6:25pm julian in LA: meanwhile Amazon is pure evil but it's perfectly ok for heil to be there?
	6:26pm Glistener MW: !!! NAPSTER is back? Whoa! -- I hadn't heard hide nor hair of them as an entity since their ridiculous product-placement in "The Italian Job" 2003 remake
	6:26pm Baycon Wivegg: Exactly julian,, ust goes to show what a fuckn sellout Neil Young is.
	🤖 6:26pm Folsom: I got youtube music since i had the old google play music, it is pretty poor but i get youtube ad free along with it, so i keep it.
	6:27pm julian in LA: sounds like this was a deal he make with amazon before he even made this statement lol
	6:27pm adampsyche: can we have a wfmu app with local caching so that i can play Duane Train archives whenever I want, signal or no signal
	6:27pm Carmichael: That's right, TDK. The hardest working DJs in show business get my $.
	6:27pm TheRealMattClarke: "Youtube Music " is not "Youtube". "Youtube Music" is a subscription music service like Spotify.
	6:27pm Cassettivity: Also, just curious how many people angry with Rogan have listened to these controversial podcasts?
	6:27pm morphe': No - Tadhg Flynn (my mother's brother) Married Eillen Goodwin of Killshanig .. and she moved to Stradbally ..The Goodwins were established there .. The Goodwins on the low Rd between Castle and Stradbally Strand were Goodwins from Killshannig.. Never knew there were Flynn's by birth out there... Maybe on the Fahamore side?
	6:27pm coelacanth∅: yet certain wfmu show host get a large % of the songs they play from youboob
	6:27pm TDK60: I'm more concerned that some quack gets to have access to millions, spewing anti-medical garbage. But that's "freedom" to those morons.
	6:27pm julian in LA: that's why i only pay for WFMU
	6:28pm K: Streaming has obviously gutted the music industry. Touring is the only way to make money in the biz. Spotify also disrupts FM radio. Unfortunately millennials don't care all that much. FMU is an excellent example of the anti-Spotify solution.
	6:28pm Mike J: The ethicist Tom Murray said, "You reward what you value." Clearly Spotify values quackery over responsible content.
	6:28pm HyperDose: Spotify downloaders are trash. Use a Deezer or Tidal ripper
	6:28pm adampsyche: Cassettivity:why do i need to listen to the podcast, the reported views are horrible
	6:28pm Marie: Part of the problem, to me, is that these super-large, digital entities are hard to change. How does an average person make an impact on a Facebook or other large digital entity? We have to advocate.
	6:28pm Cassettivity: The Rogan 'apology' video is interesting to watch, if people are curious.
	6:28pm julian in LA: how about if you dont like joe rogan dont listen? lol live and let live
	6:28pm Tom from Stirling: The virus is on the downswing. NOW Neil Young gets outraged. Money Money. Neil Young dun got old.
	🤖 6:28pm Will the Sound Guy: I'm Team WFMU
	6:29pm Niall: @morphe' I know some goodwins, too. Noel worked on my house about 15 years ago! And his sister cooks (cooked?) at a resto in Castle, Pisces.
	6:29pm Carmichael: I think Abbie Hoffman started it all with Steal This Book.
	6:29pm choggie: K. SPOT ON live performance is where the $ is for most musicians. Just look at how much KLUTCH tours....or did before Covid. You work hard until you can't anymore
	🤖 6:29pm PaulRobeson1920: Steal this comment
	6:29pm Cassettivity: @adampsyche I've found it really interesting to investigate views I disagree with. I've often surprised myself when I don't rely on second/third hand info
	6:29pm minkwest: Me too Will!
	6:29pm Niall: @morphe' And I'm pretty sure Noel's my Aunt Joan's cousin.
	6:29pm gauche knee: From best to worst: Napster, Tidal, Apple, Spotify, YT per $1 earned for artist Will check out Npster & Tdal. Thanks for these breakdowns, Ken!
	6:29pm Baycon Wivegg: Covid is equal to the flu. It's 97% survivable. Natural immunity is superior to nMRA. Those that died were very old or and comorbities. Old people in nursing homes were euthanized to increase deaths, hospitals were paid north of $100. for a dead "Covid" paitent
	6:30pm Baycon Wivegg: That is $100,000. Not $100.
	6:30pm marcel: i agree @Marie and that's also why i'm wondering what would happen if really a lot of people switch to amazon or apple or maybe even tidal. would they then have the market power to impose worse payouts? i just dont see a rational reason for a company like tidal to pay that much more money to their artists. guess it's a scale thing like the caller said: more streams on spotify so you make the same money you make on tidal even with less payout
	6:30pm Carmichael: Whooda, you're pretty bad at anonymizing yourself.
	🤖 6:31pm tim from washington: The main reason I don't use streaming services is the lack of human curation. I only listen to music other than Techtonic and Fuzzy Glove hour so I have no use for podcasts. I don't want what I hear to be determined by an algorythm. Along with that I think the payout to musicians is bullshit.
	6:31pm Cassettivity: @Adampsyche when I heard him talk about ivermectin, I have to be honest, I felt like this was an exploration of some kind of 'other idea'. It was like listening to someone say "hey you know, it seems like this other thing might work? I wonder, what do you think?" and then people just talk about it
	6:31pm choggie: That's right Bacon, and life itself is about 90% survivable!!
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Wow, Baycon, you really take the "con" in your name seriously.
	6:31pm rdb: "after a while"
	6:31pm Niall: Ah, man, I dunno if I can stick around this chat. G'night, all. Morphe', keep an eye out for me, let's make this Bag of Cans happen!
	6:31pm P-90: “AFTER A WHILE he becomes pretty trite”?!!!
	6:31pm adampsyche: swipe left
	6:32pm chris_in_space: A Neil Young song better than "My New Robot?" NO WAY!
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Don't feed the trolls, folks.
	6:32pm Niall: This is the worst episode of the Best Show I've heard.
	6:32pm annette: shame that we are tearing each other up. after 2 years we have no sound guidance or info. PERIOD.
	6:32pm Baycon Wivegg: Rogan doesn't have anything to apologize for
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: Yeah. It's not bringing out my best either, Niall. YB had the right idea. Why yell at walls?
	6:32pm julian in LA: no can point to what the "misinformation" actually is. they just don't like joe rogan
	6:32pm Marie: Comedian expert on Covid
	6:32pm TDK60: Get vaxxed.
	6:32pm P-90: Rohan’s apology wasn’t “sincere” about anything but the threat to his deal with Spotify
	6:32pm Carmichael: Watch the doc on The Comedy Store. Rogan gets beat up fairly badly, seems he created his "dismissal".
	6:33pm HyperDose: "misinformation" is now just a buzzword people use when someone has an opinion that doesn't align with where they get their media from.
	6:33pm marcel: jeez that comment section really is a dumpster fire haha
	🤖 6:33pm tim from washington: I like screwball comedy. Steve Martin is hilarious!
	6:33pm Baycon Wivegg: Annette there is overwhelming information just not on main street propaganda or government sources.
	6:33pm melinda: @HyperDose exactly
	6:33pm julian in LA: "misinformation" is the lefts version of "fake news" its just a way to shut down opinions you dont agree with
	6:33pm Tom from Stirling: Next caller please. Thank you for calling.
	6:34pm minkwest: Rogan's listeners don't know better though. Many are just blind followers.
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: That would be the "far-wrong"..
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: HyperD @633 exactly
	6:34pm Andrew Waterloo: Tim Pool has reached a point where you actually feel a bit bad mocking him.
	6:34pm Niall: Night, @handy! Or at least I'll catch you with the next show, ja
	6:35pm gauche knee: I agree with this caller, Rogan is an idiot…who knows how to make money. Lots of idiots are millionaires.
	6:35pm Cassettivity: This guys take on Joe is pretty interesting
	6:35pm The Butterman: Joe is an exceptional MMA commentator and expert. Let’s leave it at that. I once pushed him out of the way in Vegas because he wan in my way getting talked to by female fans and was blocking my way at the hostess station. I gave him a shove.
	6:35pm julian in LA: no article actually says what the misinformation is... just like with dave chapelle... no one can actually quote a anti trans joke
	6:35pm Tom from Stirling: Okay already. Say bye bye. Yeah, Chris. Bye bye
	6:35pm coelacanth∅: i never heard of joe rogan before a few days ago. i still don't give a shit about it.
	6:35pm Baycon Wivegg: When the Vaxx / 'Rona fans get surrounded by truth they scream like little girls.
	6:35pm Listener Robert: I don't watch Joe Rogan. (I used to watch Fred Roggin, though -- "Roggin's Heroes".) But as to the complaint that he doesn't know the subject matter, how many talk show hosts does that not apply to?
	6:35pm adampsyche: thank you for the reminder Ken
	6:36pm julian in LA: it's like trying to give a book report without reading the damn book and just looking at headlines about the book
	6:36pm dale: why do you need to respect someone just for having a lot of followers? hitler and trump would demand respect if that's the only basis.
	6:36pm adampsyche: that was for Hyde Park Ken! peace
	6:36pm julian in LA: whats the misinformation ken? can you even say?
	6:37pm julian in LA: or are you just quoted corporate news sources funded by pfizer like NPR?
	6:37pm marcel: hey julian, that's the misinformation, i found it in a second while googling ’Healthy young people don’t need a Covid vaccine’ ‘The myocarditis risk is higher from vaccines than from Covid’ ’Ivermectin can drive this pathogen to extinction’ ‘mRNA vaccines are gene therapy’ “I’m not gonna get vaccinated. I have antibodies, it doesn’t make any sense.” Lockdowns ‘make things worse’
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: Neil, be careful! It’s a longgg wayy down
	6:37pm Fredericks: What? I can't hear you. The radio is too loud.
	6:37pm P-90: I can’t take this “you have to give Joe Rogan respect for…” seriously. No he doesn’t do “deep research”’on anything, not just Covid, and yes he’s a straight up liar who has told any lie he thought would get him attention. So what respect does he deserve? For making some good money from his pigsty…
	6:38pm van chinski: The idea that you have to respect anyone who's popular or good at a job but spews right wing conspiracy garbage --? Eff that.
	6:38pm marcel: you wont give a shit though because you do not think this is misinformation and you think this is all true. but dont be so disingenuous, just say you disagree with the overwhelming majority of serious scientists and you rather side with some ridiculous clowns
	6:38pm julian in LA: lol healthy young people dont need vaccines they have a death rate of .01%
	6:38pm Baycon Wivegg: “The corporate media still has the ability to render a company toxic, and the Democratic Party more now than ever has the power to abuse their lawmaking and regulatory powers to impose real punishment for disobedience, as it has repeatedly threatened to do. If Facebook or Spotify are deemed to be so toxic that no Good Liberals can use them without being attacked as complicit in fascism, white supremacy or anti-vax fanaticism, then that will severely limit, if not entirely sabotage, a company's future viability.”
	6:38pm annette: @gauch. lump those kardashians into the dumpster fire. dumb rich idiots.
	6:38pm minkwest: I don't think Rogan apologized. He stated that he was aiming to make interesting conversations that people enjoy. He's an entertainer who takes no responsibility for the fact that his huge audience is largely gullible and easily manipulated.
	6:38pm Marie: I know someone who is a Lyndon LaRoucher who loved Trump. Finally this guy had to let the Trumplove go but he continues to hold with ideas that are largely held to be be lunacy--I have to conclude that there is something off about his brain or that he just likes to think he knows better than almost everyone else
	6:39pm Tommy in Neversink: Ken you're talking to a nut
	6:39pm marcel: everything covid-adjacent really brings out the galaxy brains. anyway have a good evening
	6:39pm van chinski: This woman is ridiculous. Lies, conspiracy theories and proven misinformation aren't "other views" ffs.
	6:39pm JeremyB: She isn't listening to anything you said ken, she is batshit crazy looking to pick a fight
	6:39pm Baycon Wivegg: DR. Rogan invented the mRNA tech. It is disingenuous to claim the government isn't censoring Drs and professional DJ Ken.
	6:40pm Glistener MW: Tribalized/polarized caller complains about tribalizing / polarization. SMH.
	6:40pm Tommy in Neversink: ken ..hang up
	6:40pm rdb: free speech for the people I AGREE WITH
	6:40pm van chinski: De-platform this phone call
	🤖 6:40pm DjLorraine: Many people don't know they have an underlying condition. Many children died needlessly. Not everyone recovers enough to have a healthy interaction with their own life. Long covid is torture.
	6:40pm WO Town Wick: Techtonic has been anti Spotify, anti google and anti Facebook for years. This lady is annoying and probably not a regular WFMU listener.
	6:40pm Polly.: wow - this is serious tinfoil hat talk
	6:40pm Glistener MW: I'd rather listen to Neil Young than this caller.
	6:40pm Baycon Wivegg: *Dr. Malone developed the mRNA
	6:41pm JeremyB: END this call!
	6:41pm K: Musicians DO go other places if they have half a brain. Bandcamp is a pretty fair platform that FMU supports heartily.
	6:41pm drew: Oh, for SMK to credit another venue with ruining music! Big of him. It's why I listen here, after all.
	6:41pm morphe': Marie - you don't believe Kissinger and others were communists involved in LSD pedophile orgies in the '60s-70s??? Are you crazy!!!
	6:41pm JeremyB: LOL
	6:41pm Niall: Oh jesus bad-faith callers, too. Okay, let's see what's on Resonance FM and Dublin Digital Radio. Night, all.
	6:41pm melinda: @marcel it's not the overwhelming majority of serious scientists
	6:41pm LCBD: Hear hear JeremyB!
	6:41pm evancuts: Always awkward when Ken's wife calls live.
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: Bandcamp is pretty nice to artists.
	6:41pm Andrew Waterloo: Robert Malone spent several months showcases a video claiming it was proof a covid Vaccine death.. it turned out the video was from 2013... that's stunning research
	6:41pm julian in LA: @marcel here are the actual numbers from the american association of perdiatrics : https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
	6:41pm bringmerain: Dude that lady wanted NONE of it lolololol
	6:42pm Baycon Wivegg: “... but liberals in particular are clearly the hegemonic culture force in key institutions: media, academia and Hollywood. That is why it is a mistake to assume that we are near the end of their orgy of censorship and de-platforming victories. It is far more likely that we are much closer to the beginning than the end.”
	6:42pm K: @Niall Good choices!
	6:42pm dale: send that lady a pretty little hat!
	6:42pm Jeff Moore: @Bas: Yes! Yay Bandcamp!
	6:42pm TDK60: "Culture war"? It's a frigging medical nightmare. The question below all the others is the vax. and the b.s. spewed by pandemo-fascists.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! CAN YOU HEAR ME FROM UP THERE?
	6:42pm JeremyB: Look, dump the garbage streams, listen to WFMU, buy your music from record shops and bandcamp and put the bandcamp app on your phone.
	6:42pm Tom from Stirling: Gang up on the girl who disagrees with the FMU viewpoint.
	6:42pm julian in LA: the vaccine doesn't stop covid. so may people are triple vaxxed and have covid. it's just a corporate cash grab
	🤖 6:43pm Will the Sound Guy: Bandcamp is extending the first friday to the artist program. I forget how long, but they're actually doing good.
	6:43pm WO Town Wick: LOL at evancuts @6:41
	6:43pm Carmichael: Don't confuse liberals with progressives, whooda.
	6:43pm JeremyB: If you don't like what's on WFMU check the archives or listen to www.ynotradio.net
	6:43pm annette: JEREMY. YAY. YAY. YAY.
	6:43pm P-90: In a free market, a “platform” like Spotify, which is a private business, is free to choose who they carry on their service. They have ZERO interest in “silencing” anyone or “violating their rights.” If Spotify’s management chooses to choose to cut Rogan because they believe it’s what their shareholders and customers prefer, that’s THEIR right, their freedom.
	6:43pm kevlicki: Hi everyone, what’s the topic? Neil you g vs David Crosby, sting vs Copeland are hot dogs sandwiches?
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! HOLD ON TO THE BASKET WITH BOTH HANDS! NEIL? CAN YOU HEAR ME?
	6:43pm Kovan: @Bas @Jeff Moore. One more for Bandcamp!!
	6:43pm dale: julian - the hope is that it prevents you from getting sick enough to go on a ventilator.
	6:43pm Tommy in Neversink: Tom from Stirling......her disagreements were fine ....she wouldn't let ken talk
	6:43pm Marie: To state the obvious: The beef about presenting misinformation about Covid is because there are scientific facts about it and sometimes they are distorted or conflicting information is presented about that and it has real-world negative effects. That is what Neil is protesting. Why would people defend the presentation of bad info. on a god-damn pandemic?
	6:43pm Tom from Stirling: Ken showed real patience with that angry caller. Kudos to Ken.
	6:43pm bringmerain: Jeremy ❤
	6:44pm Listener Robert: Marcel, those are mostly either puffery or simple factual judgments. In my judgment too, healthy young people don't benefit from a Covid vaccine, knowing what we know now -- and I work in immunology, so I follow and know this shit. The person who said they weren't going to get vaccinated because they have antibodies must have the from natural immunity, which is more effective than the single-epitope mRNA vaccines produce. The myocarditis figures are still in flux, and for people in certain age groups, it now looks like the risk of myocarditis truly is greater from the vaccine than from exposure to the most prevalent current strain of the virus.
	6:44pm solo mon: Play something from Neil Young Trans album please!
	6:44pm minkwest: I find it odd that 2 years in, so many people still don't know what the vaccines do and why people have chosen to take them.
	6:44pm (Murakami Whywolf))): She mentioned some guy name 'Mark Malone'[sp?] repeatedly when Mr Freedman hadn't mentioned him at all. This meant that her interest was somewhere else even as she accused Freedman of not really talking about what he was talking about.
	6:44pm Glistener MW: Yes to Bandcamp! They give a little over 80% (I believe 83 or 87%?) of each dollar of a purchase to the artists -- and 100% on "Bandcamp Friday", the first Friday of every month. I love when WFMU DJs post direct links to artists' bandcamp pages
	6:44pm dale: ken - i thought t-bone was your favorite neil song.
	6:44pm Baycon Wivegg: If people would seek out their own information and avoid the Mainstream propaganda, there would be much less disagreement amongst us.
	6:44pm julian in LA: @dale youre not going on the ventilator unless you are at high risk and have preexisting conditions.
	6:44pm JeremyB: Good point ken!
	6:44pm LCBD: Please play Neil Young! Agreed Tom from Stirling! Ken, you deserve a medal for that one
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...that SpottyFee's business model is in fact about surveilling user behavior ? ...No? Nothing? ...Nevermind... That SpottyFees is destroying Music. That it's simultaneously paying a truly obscene amount to a Professional Bloviator to propagate lethal lies & stir up social dissonance.
	6:44pm bringmerain: YES Team NEIL YOUNG 4ever she really just found wfmu today for real 🪵
	6:45pm K: @Kovan @Bas @Jeff Moore Bandcamp is it (online). Team Bandcamp.
	6:45pm melinda: that was a great episode
	6:45pm Fishtown Mike: @minkwest, never underestimate the power of the American moron.
	6:45pm Shonda: I think you are wacked, Bayco
	6:45pm Tom from Stirling: Neil Young is the one who only got mad at Spotify now. Not FMU.
	6:45pm julian in LA: why does the FDA want to seal the safety research for 75 years? that speaks volumes right there. that's some JFK stuff
	6:45pm P-90: If that caller listened to the station regularly, she would know how LONG and how often these issues have been discussed and debated.
	6:46pm coelacanth∅: there are lots and lots of assholes who consider those who don't agree with them the enemy. people they formerly loved and like, formerly respected the opinions of. suddenly they're WRONG. ...because they must be idiots after all if they're not sold on the same viewpoint.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: The real problem is monopoly and platforming of streaming music, streaming video etc. People don't realize they can stream their own music, but that feeds into the futility of adding your tears to the rainstorm, in the metaphor of Roy Batty.
	6:46pm Carmichael: WTF are you talking about, Julian?! Cite your sources.
	6:46pm JeremyB: yeah rogan is gonna get a ton of subs out of this
	6:47pm adampsyche: these noodles are amazing
	6:47pm Fuzzy: Never listened to Spotify before -- the only streaming service I give money to is WFMU (NJ non-local here.) I'd rather jam with Neil than listen to Bro Rogan.
	6:47pm julian in LA: it's like oh i heard on NPR and NYT that the vaccine stops the spread... well guess who pays their bills? PFIZER!
	6:47pm Vanessa bikes: I always suspect that people are thinking all news is good news for business.
	6:47pm malĥerbo (nl): https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/freshwater/deaths-from-dirty-water/story
	6:47pm morphe': I was calling to shift the topic to musicians getting paid .. on hold .... I had a whole "integrity" problem starting in the late 70s .. I discovered NYU New Afternoon Show (EFD) and then FMU (also quit my coke biz and got a minimum wage job and Barnes&Noble) and stopped buying records ... still went to live music and paid the bands all the time but felt bad about not buying music = same until 2022???
	6:47pm Baycon Wivegg: Carmichael, YOU demanding sources!? that's a hoot. You won't even read them!
	6:48pm Carmichael: How's West Virginia, whooda? he he
	🤖 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: Less Spotify, more Scottify! That's my motto!
	🤖 6:48pm Will the Sound Guy: I want some source material to read up on...
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...we also need to stop pandering to untenable Hypotheses by referring to them as Theories...
	6:49pm Old Dave: Ottawa is blowing up? Why? I thought Canadians were able to be nice and deal with life, including possibly being a truck driver who withholds some urges to be the big jerk of the moment.
	🤖 6:49pm DjLorraine: I thought Joe Rogan interviewed Dr David Systrum or Dr Jared Younger
	6:49pm minkwest: Given that Neil has moved to Amazon music, the focus should be on Rogan and his influence and responsibliity given his influence.
	6:49pm Baycon Wivegg: Passive aggressive much Charm?
	6:49pm melinda: @julian I don't know if it's JFK level but it's definitely not a good sign. The court ordered them to release the data sooner though, like in 8 months or so.
	6:49pm Thurston Howl: I support anti-vaxer's right to drag this pandemic on until the end of time.
	6:49pm HyperDose: Rogan is the person they're using as an example to highlight a bigger issue. He got a great financial deal from something he built from the ground up. Isn't that the American dream? The arguments against him seem to reek of jealousy because he's hyper successful in several fields.
	6:50pm Listener Robert: Minkwest, 2 years is not a long time at all to study the effect of a new vaccine technology on a new virus.
	6:50pm JeremyB: Yeah but Neil sending people over to amazon isn't the answer either
	6:50pm malĥerbo (nl): Aka making commercials: making money from lies
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: It's not a commercial break... it's our transmitter that broke.
	6:50pm adampsyche: i'm so happy that the comments board gets reset every show
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL WE LOVE YOU! USE TWO HANDS! HIGH WINDS IN OHIO
	6:50pm Cassettivity: Issue aside, the way people are referring to 'misinformation' makes me feel like I am in a dystopian future.
	6:50pm julian in LA: @melinda... that's good! gonna be full of black lines lol
	6:50pm K: @JeremyB Neil oughta send em over to Bandcamp. WTF!
	6:51pm Hoboken Pete: @Bas NL Bandcamp is good to artists. I've listened to many artists on FMU and bought music from it. It's interesting however that Spotify (through their nutty algorithm) has made me aware of a lot of live shows of bands I've listened to on the platform (by posting tour dates). I've seen 3x times as much live music because of it. Maybe a more direct way of supporting your favorite artist by seeing them live?
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: hahaha...i don't think she was listening!
	6:51pm Tommy in Neversink: Hyper Dose...really ? Jealousy....that's pretty ridicules
	6:51pm melinda: @Cassettivity I know what you mean
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: 2/3 of Americans will never attend university
	6:52pm carrots: worst Techtonic ever…
	6:52pm Vanessa bikes: curious about what Ken was going to talk about before this happened.. did he say?
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: i Love Neil. he's a senile fool and i Love him.
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: @Hoboken Pete Maybe something Bandcamp could pick up on?
	6:52pm solo mon: Spotify only pays .0001 cents for every misinformation.
	6:52pm julian in LA: it's all tribalism.. if trump was president no one would be taking the vaccine and the
	6:52pm P-90: And who is this “Mark Malone”? I don’t want to know, do I…?
	6:52pm gauche knee: Idk what the big deal is, EVERYONE knows the NewsRadio Cast from best to worst is : Phil Hartman, Stephen Root, Vicki Lewis, Dave Foley, Andy Dock, Khandi Alexander, Maura Tierney, & Joe Rogan dead last.
	6:52pm Tom from Stirling: Thought the point Neil Young is making is that people are dying from the bad info spewed by Joe Rogan.
	6:53pm Baycon Wivegg: The rest of the world will wake up and be very angry that they were gaslighted by their own government to introduce tyranny
	6:53pm melinda: @P-90 it's Robert Malone
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL DO YOU HEAR US? WE LOVE YOU DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND
	6:53pm van chinski: There's disagreeing with someone's opinion and there's calling someone out for pushing horsecrap "science". It's not arguing over favorite bands or movies. People are goddamn dying.
	6:53pm TDK60: That's the point, Tom @ 6:52.
	6:53pm _Ike_: @HyperDose, I don't think a lot of WFMU listeners care that much about standard American "success" or money, so why would they be jealous? I can't speak for everybody else though.
	6:53pm morphe': A LOVELY CALL !!!!!!! And seemingly from newly recently crazy Canada !!!!
	6:54pm HyperDose: @Tommy There's a lot of public people I don't agree with. Their opinions differ than mine. I choose not to listen to them instead of throwing a conniption fit about it.
	6:54pm annette: geeze, caller. get to yer point.
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: Organizing is an art. leadership is so important in any organizing effort
	6:54pm Tome: * Go to the window ,,, * !<>!
	6:54pm I’m with Neil: And I’m Chris from Brooklyn The Venn diagram of Joe Rogan and authoritarian morons in his audience is frightening He Like the former guy Is afraid of losing his audience Hence the stupidity. That and a large dose of Dunning Kruger
	6:54pm Shonda: This chat board today is an illustration of why I am not on Twitter or Facebook--overconfident, angry nuts, like Bayco.
	6:55pm G: @Shonda. Correctamundo.
	6:55pm Tom from Stirling: Yeah, TDK60. But everyone got sidetracked with the music royalties etc.
	6:55pm Baycon Wivegg: I am not on fb or twitter Shonda
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! WINDY, DO YOU HEAR ME! WINDY
	6:55pm minkwest: I think back to listening to the NYT's scary podcast Rabbit Hole about Youtube algorithms and the effect on the viewer. I feel like the message can be extrapolated to other platforms equally.
	6:55pm julian in LA: it's all tribalism. people who dont want to get vaccinated aren't going to suddenly take it because neil young lol
	6:55pm Fredericks: MRNA has been in the works for 20 years or more.
	6:55pm G: @Shonda: On both "sides"
	6:56pm Fuzzy: It's a Freak Show, folks. And if you're in the USA, you've got a front-row seat!
	6:56pm solo mon: I think Darryl Hannah is behind this all.
	6:56pm Baycon Wivegg: I am confident in the information I researched for myself.
	6:56pm JeremyB: I agree KEN!
	6:56pm Adam West Coaster: The preceding call was perfect!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: NEIL! WE LOVE YOU! BE CAREFUL YOUR BALLON IS SO HIGH
	6:56pm dale: take the next hour ken.
	6:56pm HyperDose: One hundred percent, Julian in LA
	6:56pm Tome: Neil Young ? Protesting ? shocking !<>!
	6:56pm dday: Christ Station Manager Ken, put your clothes back on. I'm still stuck on the Taylor Ham or pork roll debate. I hope I live long enough to find the answer.
	6:56pm julian in LA: if TRUMP was still president NEIL would be telling everyone to not take the vaccine
	6:56pm P-90: Neil couldn’t live with sharing a platform with someone who was intentionally broadcasting lies about an epidemic, so he exercised his “agency” to terminate his business with them. Why would he just say “I quit” and conceal his reason for leaving?
	6:56pm Carmichael: @Shonda, normally these boards are pretty mellow, all about the music. This particular show causes lots of kooky remarks.
	6:56pm Listener Robert: Yes, Fredericks, it has been in the works that long, and it is a great idea, but this is the first large scale experience with it.
	6:56pm melinda: @solo mon I've heard that theory elsewhere
	6:57pm Shonda: You believe what you want to believe, Bayco--good luck with that
	6:57pm minkwest: Oh Shonda, as a Canadian dealing with the current angry convoy, twitter and facebook have me beyond anxious. I have been turning to WFMU to keep from losing my mind.
	6:57pm TDK60: Get vaxxed.
	6:57pm LCBD: Thanks Ken! Well done and bravo for amazing patience!
	🤖 6:57pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Staysh!!!
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Thanks, Ken! Keep On Rocking In The Free World!
	6:57pm Old Dave: I'm on team Neil. Not that i like him.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Ken! Peace &Love Ya’ll!!
	6:57pm Feldy: Thanks Ken. Staying on the WFMU platform for life
	6:57pm gauche knee: A bit of a whirlwind & interesting energy but a good show, Ken!
	6:58pm Tommy in Neversink: Neil isn't expecting more people to get vaccinated because of this . He just wants them to get the correct information in order make that decision
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, -жеи. Keep flattening the curve!
	6:58pm Baycon Wivegg: I do my own research it's not easy or fun but I know what I am talking about.
	6:58pm Carmichael: Anti-mask Anti-vax Anti-sign-on
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Ken!
	6:58pm woj: bathe my ears in the hang glider of suicide terrorists!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Ken!
	6:58pm julian in LA: everyone loses with cancel culture
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Ken. You were very sweet to that nice caller (whose name I didn't catch).
	6:58pm listener phillip (in the bronx): OMG😱 I thought ken was joking about the song
	6:58pm ottovonbqe: when you are on the side of censorship in America you have lost the plot. Sorry Neil Young, Sorry WFMU.
	6:58pm bleubombersune: Ken thanks for the insightful broadcast
	🤖 6:59pm Folsom: @Carmichael the Uyghur topic also brings out the crazies.
	6:59pm Baycon Wivegg: Mucho thankso DJ Ken! Thanks for not doing that nude floating head thing :)
	🤖 6:59pm tim from washington: Thanks Staysh! Guys - I'm pro hang gliders.
	6:59pm P-90: Actually, mRNA vaccines have been “in development” since the early eighties. This story about “the vaccine was made too fast” is another disinfo lie.
	6:59pm dale: people keep saying don't listen to mainstream media and do your own research. but you're only going to accept the 'research' that shores up your original viewpoint.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Wait ... I lost count. How many on each team was there?
	6:59pm solo mon: You call it cancel I call I curation
	6:59pm melinda: yes thanks for covering this Ken
	6:59pm McGroovey: I Shazamed this Neil song do that the data merchants know it's getting played somewhere. Everyone else should do the same.
	6:59pm Tom from Stirling: Is Thom Yorke still taking his music off Spotify? Hope so.
	6:59pm julian in LA: censorship is never the answer....
	6:59pm Tommy in Neversink: ottovonbqe: when you are on the side of lies you have lost the plot
	6:59pm McGroovey: *so that...
	6:59pm lazy pierogi: thanks ken and mark
	6:59pm annette: great show, Ken . great conversation, all. this is how we keep our country together.
	6:59pm HyperDose: Great show, Ken. Real hot potatoes tonight!
	6:59pm ?: On a lighter note, does anyone know anything about the music alternative RADIOOOOO app?
	6:59pm ottovonbqe: whatever, man. you're lost
	6:59pm gauche knee: Cancel cancel cancel culture.
	7:00pm Adam West Coaster: Thank you, Ken and Mark!
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: julian very true
	7:00pm Baycon Wivegg: i don't own a tv
	7:00pm julian in LA: used to be saying cloth masks didn't work was misinformation.... now it's "information" it's all kinda BS TBH
	7:00pm radioronan: .thanks Ken!
	7:00pm ottovonbqe: Julian right on.
	7:00pm Feldy: Niel could have replaced all of his music on Spotify with new material about fighting Covid.
	🤖 7:00pm DjLorraine: Propaganda is never the answer
	7:00pm choggie: You'll never convince the hardcore Kool-Aide drinkers Baycon..... The majority will lways be usefully idiots
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: yes i must say, i still Love Neil. and Fuck Him.
	7:01pm julian in LA: yeah thanks ken sorry i was a winey a hole lol
	7:01pm choggie: ....and it probably IS Daryl Hannah's fault
	7:02pm Baycon Wivegg: I know choggie, I just haven't been anywhere and not get cancelled. fun
	7:02pm (((Murakami Whywolf): P-90: A good point: people have been working on corona virus vaccines since the SARS outbreak, i.e. back when Ken's shows were half mashups.
	7:02pm Gabrielle: Read about RADIOOOOO app in the Nyer during the pandemic and it's free and awesome. But, feel like it's too good to be true. Any feedback? Didn't get thru the program to ask.
	7:03pm coelacanth∅: cancel culture is idiot culture. but idiots don't realise this.
	7:04pm Listener Robert: Murakami, they've been working on it since even earlier, with some successes. But there was never such a large scale experience as this. Not that easy to predict results when you use something on huge numbers of people.
	7:04pm (((Murakami Whywolf))): dale: The funny thing is that I had to be trained and to learn how to 'do my own research', and do it awhile before I did it well, even though it was in a fairly narrow subject. Why shouldn't Dunning-Kruger apply to people's abilities to do research?
	7:04pm Baycon Wivegg: Thanks a again Ken. Was nice to meet Hank on the podcast
	7:08pm Listener Robert: What can be said is that the mRNA vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 had a good benefit-risk profile in vulnerable demographics against the strains of virus that were prevalent early. But they didn't provide sterilizing immunity as had been hoped by some, and eventually the virus, partly due to the selection pressure provided by the vaccines themselves, mutated to escape. Fortunately the strains that have now emerged are about as pathogenic as the common cold, and are unlikely to ever mutate into something worse.
	7:09pm bringmerain: thanks Ken you did techtonic proud
	7:10pm Listener Robert: RNA-dependent RNA polymerase has no proofreading, so the replication of RNA viruses is very unfaithful, resulting quickly in lots of mutants.
	7:13pm Listener Robert: Many virologists think the common cold viruses we have now began at various times in the past as pandemic agents that in some cases caused a lot of deaths and debility. 2 years ago many predicted exactly what has happened: the replacement of the more pathogenic strain with a highly contagious, but merely a nuisance, strain that will be endemic, like the rest of the cold viruses.
	7:15pm Listener Robert: And the time period some were predicting that process to take? About 2 years. Spot on!
	7:16pm melinda: @Listener Robert thanks for the info
	7:24pm I’m with Neil: Real fun part of the culture war discussion was Ken dealing with his idols role in a kerfuffle. Neat point Robert. We are all descended from survivors of the 1918 pandemic. And most westerners the bubonic plague. As for Neil. Go buy some Lionel trains and keep him flush. Such a great show tonight. Ken is the best at handling calls. As for the American anger quotient: Too much teevee on steroids. Aka cellphone narcosis.
	7:24pm coelacanth∅: yet people still getting "boosters, even though the only people getting hit hard by the viruses now have been "vaxinated" oh well, we can never do enough to increase the wealth of billionaires.
	7:25pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Ken, by the way!
	7:29pm Listener Robert: Now they're promoting mRNA vaccine boosters for such a short term effect, it may actually be due to the NONSPECIFIC immunity boost you get for a short period by injecting ANYTHING foreign.
	7:39pm melinda: @coel it's a shame @Robert interesting
	7:57pm weiterso: Hi ARB, enjoyed the show a lot! Thank you!
	7:58pm weiterso: Hi ARB, enjoyed the show a lot! Thank you!

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