WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from February 21, 2022

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Drives! The Techgin has some other stuff mixed with it, but there's always room for Techtonic. Gotta get the monsters fed, though,
	6:00pm DanFA: The earth is flat, y'all. We've all been conned!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! This book looks like it would pair well with Cultish.
	6:01pm mr 6: Happy Monday all (Friday for me)
	🤖 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm DanFA: In all seriousness, the investigative podcast Oh No, Ross and Carrie! did a really good mini-series on Flat Earthers a couple of years ago. maximumfun.org...
	6:01pm Roland from Australia: Hello All, What excitement awaits us today?
	6:02pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontillas
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techees!
	6:02pm P-90: actually an oblate spheroid
	6:03pm Iphone 11: It's more of a triangle IMO
	6:04pm wendy del formaggio: Oh dang! I’m psyched for the Flat Earther chat! Thanks, Mark. :-)
	6:04pm P-90: Earth is an oblate spheroid a sphere-like shape that is slightly flattened at the poles, and slightly bulging at the equator.
	6:05pm lazy pierogi: it's turtles all the way down
	6:05pm (Murakami Whywolf))): B-b-b-ut Big Corporations like Google, and Amazon publicly act as if the world weren't flat, _surely_ they can't be on the side of anything?
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: HellooOOO!
	6:05pm Greg from ZONE 5: I'm doing my own research.
	6:06pm castor: Hello Mark and everyone! Looking forward to this. There was a great “All Gas No Breaks” episode on a Flat Earther convention.
	6:06pm yippie: my freaking geometry teacher tried to tell me triangles all have 90 degrees. he was the real flat earther.
	6:06pm Dean from Old Bridge: This is gonna be an interesting show lol
	6:07pm P-90: Actually had someone (law school graduate!) tell me about these YouTube videos that he felt were pretty persuasive about the flatness of the Earth
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. I want to hear how they explain mountains, which, to my knowledge, are not flat.
	6:07pm joe mulligan: that Calvin & Hobbes cartoon is spot on. But now I'm beginning to wonder if we're just going through an evolution phase as humans.. conspiring wild stories to make up for the boredom of life under less adversity that's a byproduct of modern conveniences through technology
	6:07pm Ciggy: My avatar is a flat earther. B-flat from Church Street, nyc.
	6:08pm P-90: btw: do they think the Moon is flat too?
	🤖 6:08pm PaulRobeson1920: Hii
	6:08pm Rolando: Jumping in very early here, should we not be listening to the flat earthers to find out exactly what they are thinking? Also what would’ve happened if we got rid of every philosopher who stood up on the Acropolis, who’s ideas we did not like?
	6:08pm Iphone 11: Moon is just painted onto the ceiling
	6:08pm (((Murakami Whywolf): What helps bring them together is 0.) shared belief on the part of many in a.) Scriptural inerrancy and b.) their particular interpretation of Scripture, and 1.) Belief that they are small voices telling The Truth against large and powerful entities—corporations, government, of course The Jews and The Masons—and their passion and relative powerlessness _prove_ that they're right.
	6:09pm yippie: i only do non-euclidian geometry, thats how anti-flat earth i am
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: "People are falling off all the time" -- Mr. Question Man, Ernie Kovacs.
	6:10pm kevlicki: I met some folks that were sailing in Baja California. They told me about a family of flat earth believers that were sailing as well. They didn’t know how to navigate by constellations nor directional, and would just tag along near other boats going the direction they wanted to…
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP they will allow that mountains have elevation. In fact many Flat Earthers believe that the world is ringed by a ridge of extremely high ice-mountains (so high that one shouldn't try to pass them).
	6:10pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Greg from ZONE 5: As I'm dying to ask everyone who says that: how did you learn to do research, and how well? I spent years learning to do research decently…perhaps I was slow.
	6:11pm solo mon: Remember the old maps that just said “here be dragons” around the edges? Here be dragons.
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: I’ve seen the dragons
	6:13pm Rolando: What about the fact that we only see one side of the moon? 🌓
	6:13pm kevlicki: https://i.imgflip.com/3d2ts1.jpg If the earth was flat, cats…
	6:13pm P-90: Over 2000 years ago Eratosthenes was able to closely estimate the circumference of the (spherical) Earth by observing the differences in the shadows of objects of identical height at different latitudes, measured at the same time on the same day of the year. How do the Flat Earthers account for this?
	🤖 6:13pm DjLorraine: This is the show that 11 million should be tuning into
	6:15pm solo mon: The earth is flat but folded like origami into a globe shape.
	6:15pm (((Murakami Whywolf): It's not a theory, it's an hypothesis—a well-disproved one, by an hypothesis none the less. Rolando: We don't see only one side, we see about 60% of the surface over the course of the month, and the rest of that other surface from orbit about the Moon.
	6:15pm joe mulligan: @(((Murakami Whywolf) to your point I've been hearing more about conspiracy theories propagating by people who feels powerless in society and want to place blame on the powerful controlling rich. It's pretty much right out of the "simp/incel" playbook
	6:15pm dale: we need crazy people. otherwise micah and ken wouldn't have a show.
	6:15pm Franco Twinkie: The flat earth pancake breakfast coming right up.
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU is my flat earth community.
	6:16pm P-90: Right! “we only see one side of the Moon”… until we fly around to the other side and see it from there
	6:16pm kevlicki: Ah! A place where people with odd thoughts and fringe taste can come together in community….🤔…WFMU!!!!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Flat Earth Man has a posh British accent!
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: What I'm interested in is how the alt-right (rather, the highly skilled, highly monetized PR firms that create the alt-right in their -chan etc. platforms and then send it out in the world) intersects with the historical conspiracy theory and the business model of social media and how extremely well they captured those platforms. The belief in the flat earth is honestly kind of secondary -- follow the money to who profits from all this, and I wonder how closely it matches the same ones who profit from Jan. 6.
	6:17pm P-90: @Webhamster: Amen!
	🤖 6:17pm chresti: This all distracts from the fact that earth is a misshapen egg shape
	6:17pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Good evening Mark & Kelly !
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Techtonic from May 20, 2019 with "Behind the Curve" director Daniel J. Clark: www.wfmu.org...
	6:17pm Listener Robert: Big Globe must be behind it.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Some of those krinkly weird eggs are really tasty, chresti!
	6:18pm timinoak: Chresti!! haha. yes.
	6:18pm P-90: @chresti: it’s an “oblate spheroid”
	6:18pm Rolando: The Rollercoast by Alfred Bester? This book highlights how we all seek thrills ...to some degree or another, so is this not what these folks are doing? Is this not what happens with Social Media.
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: @solo Mon @6:15 The most accurate spacial representation of the Earth wfmu.org... "Dymaxion Map," the Fuller Projection Map is the only flat map of the entire surface of the Earth which reveals our planet as one island in one ocean, without any visually obvious distortion of the relative shapes and sizes of the land areas, and without splitting any continents.”
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: So is the ice wall melting due to global warming?
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: What global warming, Webhamster H? The ice walls would never allow it!
	6:20pm solo mon: The cow that jumped over the moon was interviewed by Kermit the Frog in 1979.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @kevlicki (6:13) good one
	6:21pm timinoak: better to debate christians?
	6:21pm Tom from Stirling.: If the Earth is flat, are all the other planets in the solar system also flat?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @PaulRobeson1920 good one, thanks
	6:21pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I had an in-law who was a member of a Christian cult ("The Bible Speaks"). The originator of it was a pastor who eventually was convicted of fraud after he was found to've lied to a Ms Dovydenas to get millions, saying that if she gave him the money his wife's nonexistent migraines would be cured, another time that it would save a missionary imprisoned in Roumania who'd already been freed. The in-law said she stayed in the cult 'for the community'. It makes me glad I'm autistic and introverted.
	6:21pm ultradamno: Damn pilots..
	6:21pm Rolando: Ahhh that is a long way. I did one way London to Sydney non-stop and that felt like it took forever to get there.
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: If the planets are stuck on the celestial sphere, how does say Jupiter rotate?
	6:22pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Tom from Stirling.: Traitor! Do you not believe in Terran Exceptionalism?!!!
	6:22pm dale: so do these clowns think the world is just a flat mercator projection?
	6:23pm P-90: You can sit on the International Space Station and watch the spherical, obviously “ball-shaped” Earth rotate beneath you, the spot on the Earth that you start watching will come back around every 92 minutes, over and over again. Explain that, bitches.
	6:23pm timinoak: "a little futile"is the description of this era
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: This show is much more fun that Ken's brain transplant show.
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: So when it rotates it goes splatt?
	6:24pm castor: Part of the mistrust of science also has to do with big corporations creating fake studies to “prove” their products were safe, such as tobacco and oil companies. They widely spread the concept of “alternative facts” and “biased science”, and then the counter from progressive scientists and environmentalists and such claiming the others are corporate shills. That contesting of truth on both sides is what opened the flood gates.
	6:25pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Handy Haversack: A lot of extreme-Right media have long been sponsored by quack cures for diseases, and for that matter for owing taxes. I think they know that the audience for these programmes are self-selected for 0.) credulence and 1.) believe in individual solutions.
	6:25pm castor: @P-90, the problem is only a handful of people can ACTUALLY do that, the rest just have to take their word for it
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Why do people believe anything, anyway?
	6:26pm Fidel: So, does anyone fall off of the edge of the earth to these people?
	6:26pm Jack: Don't feed the trolls...
	6:26pm solo mon: When the space station is the world’s best rotating restaurant.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: K8 has landed safely in Seattle. I forgot to ask her whether she could see the ice wall. Whywolf, here's some well-researched delving into the money and patterns of alt-right creation: cup.columbia.edu...
	6:27pm ultradamno: By the way, not entirely unrelated, John Oliver did an exceptional on how critical race theory reached hysteria proportions.
	🤖 6:27pm Ken From Hyde Park: Like this projection, dale? www.xkcd.com...
	6:27pm dale: i wonder how deep the round pancake shaped earth is. and if there's a bizarro world on the other side.
	6:28pm ultradamno: exceptional *piece, that is
	6:28pm P-90: Even “Admiral” Bill Shatner saw the curvature of the Earth beneath him during his suborbital hop in 2021.
	6:28pm Davey: @ultradamno I was just typing that same comment
	6:29pm joe mulligan: YouTube - the virality of technology that draws people who are bored to death. It's not terminator robots that will destroy humans in the Singularity, it's humans themselves who will destroy humans
	6:29pm (Murakami Whywolf))): P-90: Have YOU been up there? No!, you believe what someone—probably Soros, am I not right, do you not become overcome with fear at seeing that name?—have paid or frightened other people into saying. Less snarkily: Vietnam and he Gulf War, then the election of Barack Obama, left a lot of people not in a mood to trust _any_ authority…except random would-be shepherds screaming 'Wake up, sheep!'.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Ken, beware when projecting yourself into the abyss lest &c. &c.
	6:30pm joe mulligan: meaning the AI algorithms will let us kill ourselves rather than robots.
	6:31pm P-90: @Webhamster: you’re right, maybe it’s all this “believing” this and “believing” that which is the cause of much of the trouble in the world
	6:32pm joe mulligan: it all comes back to the like button, groups, and ad revenue linked to it
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: @joe mulligan good point. The inventor of the Facebook "like" button has since gone public saying he regrets what he did.
	6:33pm P-90: er… “Soros”?!
	6:33pm timinoak: "fringe" seeming to be about 30% of america
	6:33pm _Ike_: Kelly Weill also appeared on the QAnon Anonymous podcast recently and that was fascinating as well.
	6:34pm Davey: I believe it was Adam Conover who got a "scientific study" published a transcript of his TV show in a supposed peer-reviewed journal (?) I could be misremembering. Critical thought is vital in evaluating "science" -- but people are not taught to think critically and equate "research" with watching YouTube videos
	6:34pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: The 'critical race theory' mess is interesting because we have a Patient Zero for it in Christopher Rufo, who explicitly said that not only must the term be demonised, but _anything_ that they opposed should be tied to it whether it were part of it or not.
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Dish, Ike!
	6:36pm ultradamno: @MW Yeah, and it works precisely because he knew he had one indirect direct line to the ear of an impressionable president
	6:36pm P-90: She’s right! These “radical beliefs” are alternate worlds for dysfunctional people to escape to
	6:36pm (Murakami Whywolf))): joe mulligan: Well before we kill ourselves off, A.I.s will frequently pass the Turing Tests because we humans' responses will have become increasingly boring and formulaic.
	6:37pm Fidel: Marketers and advertisers have data on all these groups on Facebook. Hackers, please release!!!!
	6:37pm Fidel: Why isn't FB hacked more often?
	6:38pm P-90: These beliefs are like drugs. They are a refuge from a reality that an individual finds challenging.
	🤖 6:38pm Wendy del Formaggio: I keep thinking about Hannah Arendt in this conversation, and how she draws a direct line from people experiencing isolation to them having/ committing alarming beliefs / actions.
	🤖 6:38pm Bas NL: Mid program. I think Earth is a: O Sphere O Flat O Oblate Spheroid O A rock band
	6:38pm Fidel: We need laws to make these algorithms public
	6:39pm Fidel: Wendy--hopefully, after pandemic subsides that isolation will lessen
	6:40pm Re6ecca: My son who is 13 and in 7th grade had to write a fake news article for his Global Affairs class. He wrote an article describing Joe Biden as a Flat Earther and believes the moon landing was staged!! I found it amusing as does he!
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Bas: Trick question! The answer is "Maurice White."
	6:40pm (((Murakami Whywolf): P-90: The alternate world in which many of these people believe that the world is ruled by an all-powerful, all-knowing, Father. Since things obviously don't look such were the case—e.g. a black man was 'elected' President—they have to believe in a Satan who's screwing things up and keeping things from Being Perfect, e.g. living in a Great America where a man's a _man_. They often believe in both a literal Satan but also in earthly stand-ins.
	6:40pm Franco Twinkie: Could it be that flat earth beliefs give people who are looking for a reason to ditch their friends and family a ready made out?
	6:40pm P-90: See? K-Pop fandom can serve all the same purposes in someone’s life as Qanon. Or Flat-Eartherism.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Wendy, I thought it was "Mostly harmless."
	6:40pm Tommy in Neversink: I'm in the Flat Bread community . Bill Gates is just trying to sell more yeast
	6:41pm Dean: I dunno. I kinda like crazy notions. They make me wonder about where I'm coming from. I'm uncomfortable with the notion that alternate accounts are the equivalent of "flat earth." Skepticism is critical, and in both directions.
	6:41pm Rolando: It all goes back to the "light bulb" we spend to much time awake and chasing something we can't find, ... and we forget the spiritual side of our being. Another concern is that we collect in cohorts, by age, from school to the work place, so we are like chickens which need their beaks chopped so we don't pick each other to death .. big subject .. too much to deal with in a short note :)
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: @Wendy Added to the list! :)
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: @ Re6ecca I like the old joke about Kubrick did stage the moon landing but since he was such a perfectionist he had to film it on location
	6:42pm solo mon: I’m an earth flatterer. I try to compliment the earth as much as possible.
	6:42pm _Ike_: @Tommy, so fans of bread bowls are your mortal enemies?
	6:43pm Feldy: Do flat-earther's think the moon is flat, too?
	6:43pm P-90: Can’t wait for Mark’s episode about K-Pop cultism
	6:43pm ?: I think that photo of the equator show that Ship is about a foot short of a first down. 4th and a foot.Play ball!
	6:43pm Feldy: OLO Solo :)
	6:44pm ultradamno: @Feldy They believe it's an artificial light in the sky.
	6:44pm dale: some people will think flat earthers are insane but believe in jesus christ as their savior. i don't get religion either.
	6:45pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Dean: Scepticism in all directions is a good idea, but we will inevitably weigh it more in some than others. Having seen the fruits of the scientific method—good and bad—indicate that it's pretty good at getting a fairly consistent map of reality, and that most scientists I've observed and been keep pretty well to it (even Francis Collins didn't try to use prophetic dreams at work), I will be more sceptical of Flat Earthers than of nearly everyone else from Erastosthenes onward.
	6:45pm solo mon: Fat earth vs flat earth
	6:45pm ultradamno: flatearthmodels.com
	6:46pm Franco Twinkie: Are carbonated beverages partly to blame?
	🤖 6:46pm MarciB: We watched "The Social Dilemma" this weekend. This confirms all of the horrors in that movie.
	6:46pm dale: franco - grape crush and mr. pibb!
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: I knew it!
	6:47pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Folsom: "Futurama" had Pres. Truman, on seeing wht he thought was an hostile alien, decide to shift resources from faking a Moon landing to actually doing it.
	6:47pm P-90: So the monetization of “clicks”, “views”, “likes” is what’s finally going to destroy human civilization?
	6:47pm ?: I prefer a more Rubenesque Earth
	🤖 6:48pm MarciB: P-90 I'm afraid so
	6:48pm P-90: ? for the win!
	6:48pm castor: @Wendy, that’s so true! Im also reminded of Nietzsche “Immediately upon the appearance of corruption anywhere, a motley superstition gets the upper hand, and the hitherto universal belief of a people becomes colourless and impotent in comparison with it; for superstition is freethinking of the second rank, he who gives himself over to it selects certain forms and formulae which appeal to him, and permits himself a right of choice. The superstitious man is always much more of a "person," in comparison with the religious man, and a superstitious society will be one in which there are many individuals and a delight in individuality. Seen from this standpoint superstition always appears as a progress in comparison with belief, and as a sign that the intellect becomes more independent and claims to have its rights.”
	6:48pm Re6ecca: @Folsom Haha!
	6:50pm P-90: There ya go. Ol’ Fred Nietzsche had this sussed out ages ago….
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also Futurama, in the episode where the crew visited a 2-dimensional world: "Third dimension? I can't picture that! You're dumb."
	6:50pm ?: Much more disturbed by the reports of microwave weaponry being used on people.
	6:51pm _Ike_: @Handy@6:34, hard to sum up, but it was a fun listen because she was allowed to curse since it was a podcast not a broadcast. One of the few podcasts I bother to set aside time to listen to. WFMU needs more terrible shows so I can break away more often and listen to other things, ha ha.
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Ike: Your last sentence, YES. haha
	🤖 6:52pm Folsom: @Ike I forgot to thank you a couple of weeks ago when you talked about tanks, I had to do some research but figured it out, i'm very surprised
	6:52pm P-90: “Eight Dudes in Silicon Valley” that’s my Netflix series pitch
	6:52pm Listener Robert: Ike calling Kenny G, you are needed on WFMUs schedule.
	6:53pm adampsyche: tanks?
	6:53pm ?: Your welcome
	6:53pm Tom from Stirling.: youre welcome
	6:53pm _Ike_: @KfHP, Futurama is brilliant. I didn't like the second iteration of Futurama as much -- apparently they were being cheap and didn't have a real writers' room when they brought it back, so the scripts were just being written by one person each instead of being passed around to different writers who would each add more jokes, the way they're supposed to do it. So among the Comedy Central episodes, most of the best ones are the more dramatic, dramedy-ish, or conceptual ones. So I have mixed feelings about it being revived yet again.
	🤖 6:54pm Wendy del Formaggio: Ahhhh! MKUltra! Every time I hear those words I wanna go hide under the table.
	6:54pm (Murakami Whywolf))): P-90: Well, yes, but only because 'we' 'want' it to, that is enough people want what's being sold to make it profitable. That's why Fascism and Bolshevism did just fine with just radio and the press and men willing to kill and inflict pain; I don't believe in Mr Hurst's remedies because just The Web and us are all that's needed. castor: _Excellent_ Nietzsche quote. I have long since stopped being surprised by people who claim to 'reject Authority' when what they actually do is reject conventional Authority but treat other authorities with zero scepticism…and feel liberated.
	6:54pm Rolando: I honestly enjoy Mark Hurst's show so much, however, I sometimes wish Techtonic went just a little further out, a little riskier, a little more adventurous. For example: lets talk about Universal ID.
	6:54pm _Ike_: @Folsom... ... ...you mean "tankies"? Sure, glad I could help!
	6:54pm dale: station needs an area 51 art bell type of show.
	6:54pm ultradamno: Well, they're bringing it back again without John (Bender) DiMaggio
	6:55pm joe mulligan: good point about MK Ultra, Mark. I still don't know what to believe about the Havana Syndrome
	🤖 6:55pm Folsom: @Ike they could always bring back Narduar and Dave Emory
	6:55pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	6:55pm Pop: I heard Ken is an alien from outer space
	🤖 6:55pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks again for an excellent show, Mark! It's a mitzvah.
	6:56pm Listener Robert: Dale, there seems to be a slump now in those types of Webcasts as well as broadcasts.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: "A little more dedicated to truth": and hard work to get that far! Thanks for doing the work, Mark! Later on, Ice Walls.
	6:56pm castor: Thanks Mark!!!
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: @Ike yes I was trying to be obscure so not get anyone in trouble
	6:56pm P-90: Just remember: the Earth is an oblate spheroid.
	6:56pm Wenzo Toad: thanks Mark
	6:56pm WR: Thank you Mark! Can we hack the algorithm to amplify your efforts?
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Agreed, Ike. Thanks, Mark. See you on the other side ... of something?
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: Do U want to meet intelligent life in the Universe?
	6:56pm Blobs: @Mark nice show tonight, thank you! Any thoughts on the Orwellian, extrajudicial financial surveillance & repression currently happening in Canada? :)
	6:56pm castor: @Whywolf exactly!
	6:57pm mkultradamno: I don't know, when Jim Carrey got to the edge, it didn't look like ice to me
	6:57pm _Ike_: Thanks Mark! @ultra, if they don't at least spin that into a series of jokes about fake Benders trying to replace the real Bender a la fake versions of Superman coming back from the dead, then the writers are truly hopeless.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: - Look in a mirror Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Catchy song. "Don't let 'em take your mind, man."
	6:58pm Fidel: "stupid sphere"--shape prejudice
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for joining me this evening!
	6:58pm P-90: o-b-l-a-t-e s-p-h-e-r-o-I-d
	6:58pm mkultradamno: Balls ARE ridiculous, unlike the majestic plate
	6:58pm Feldy: Not Shock G's best work
	6:58pm timinoak: Electrons are okay though!
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: It's clear to me that there is a parallel between the flat earth society and Bizarro World. All sorts of nutty backwards types of behavior were presented as proof how you could have a society that functioned more or less by it's own rules. The main difference between the two is Bizarro Word was a cube.
	6:59pm mkultradamno: Flat Earth Man has a problem staying on point
	6:59pm Fidel: is this guy related to the Times Square singing cowboy?
	6:59pm DanFA: This is absolutely slaps.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Follow the money. When they send their dues to the Flat Earth Society, where does the money go?
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: The Bad Religion tune is now an answer song!
	7:00pm P-90: @Franco: you’re right, it’s all about rejection of norms
	7:00pm lazy pierogi: guess i can remove my flat earther gARB now

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from February 21, 2022

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	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Drives! The Techgin has some other stuff mixed with it, but there's always room for Techtonic. Gotta get the monsters fed, though,
	6:00pm DanFA: The earth is flat, y'all. We've all been conned!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! This book looks like it would pair well with Cultish.
	6:01pm mr 6: Happy Monday all (Friday for me)
	🤖 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm DanFA: In all seriousness, the investigative podcast Oh No, Ross and Carrie! did a really good mini-series on Flat Earthers a couple of years ago. maximumfun.org...
	6:01pm Roland from Australia: Hello All, What excitement awaits us today?
	6:02pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontillas
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techees!
	6:02pm P-90: actually an oblate spheroid
	6:03pm Iphone 11: It's more of a triangle IMO
	6:04pm wendy del formaggio: Oh dang! I’m psyched for the Flat Earther chat! Thanks, Mark. :-)
	6:04pm P-90: Earth is an oblate spheroid a sphere-like shape that is slightly flattened at the poles, and slightly bulging at the equator.
	6:05pm lazy pierogi: it's turtles all the way down
	6:05pm (Murakami Whywolf))): B-b-b-ut Big Corporations like Google, and Amazon publicly act as if the world weren't flat, _surely_ they can't be on the side of anything?
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: HellooOOO!
	6:05pm Greg from ZONE 5: I'm doing my own research.
	6:06pm castor: Hello Mark and everyone! Looking forward to this. There was a great “All Gas No Breaks” episode on a Flat Earther convention.
	6:06pm yippie: my freaking geometry teacher tried to tell me triangles all have 90 degrees. he was the real flat earther.
	6:06pm Dean from Old Bridge: This is gonna be an interesting show lol
	6:07pm P-90: Actually had someone (law school graduate!) tell me about these YouTube videos that he felt were pretty persuasive about the flatness of the Earth
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. I want to hear how they explain mountains, which, to my knowledge, are not flat.
	6:07pm joe mulligan: that Calvin & Hobbes cartoon is spot on. But now I'm beginning to wonder if we're just going through an evolution phase as humans.. conspiring wild stories to make up for the boredom of life under less adversity that's a byproduct of modern conveniences through technology
	6:07pm Ciggy: My avatar is a flat earther. B-flat from Church Street, nyc.
	6:08pm P-90: btw: do they think the Moon is flat too?
	🤖 6:08pm PaulRobeson1920: Hii
	6:08pm Rolando: Jumping in very early here, should we not be listening to the flat earthers to find out exactly what they are thinking? Also what would’ve happened if we got rid of every philosopher who stood up on the Acropolis, who’s ideas we did not like?
	6:08pm Iphone 11: Moon is just painted onto the ceiling
	6:08pm (((Murakami Whywolf): What helps bring them together is 0.) shared belief on the part of many in a.) Scriptural inerrancy and b.) their particular interpretation of Scripture, and 1.) Belief that they are small voices telling The Truth against large and powerful entities—corporations, government, of course The Jews and The Masons—and their passion and relative powerlessness _prove_ that they're right.
	6:09pm yippie: i only do non-euclidian geometry, thats how anti-flat earth i am
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: "People are falling off all the time" -- Mr. Question Man, Ernie Kovacs.
	6:10pm kevlicki: I met some folks that were sailing in Baja California. They told me about a family of flat earth believers that were sailing as well. They didn’t know how to navigate by constellations nor directional, and would just tag along near other boats going the direction they wanted to…
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP they will allow that mountains have elevation. In fact many Flat Earthers believe that the world is ringed by a ridge of extremely high ice-mountains (so high that one shouldn't try to pass them).
	6:10pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Greg from ZONE 5: As I'm dying to ask everyone who says that: how did you learn to do research, and how well? I spent years learning to do research decently…perhaps I was slow.
	6:11pm solo mon: Remember the old maps that just said “here be dragons” around the edges? Here be dragons.
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: I’ve seen the dragons
	6:13pm Rolando: What about the fact that we only see one side of the moon? 🌓
	6:13pm kevlicki: https://i.imgflip.com/3d2ts1.jpg If the earth was flat, cats…
	6:13pm P-90: Over 2000 years ago Eratosthenes was able to closely estimate the circumference of the (spherical) Earth by observing the differences in the shadows of objects of identical height at different latitudes, measured at the same time on the same day of the year. How do the Flat Earthers account for this?
	🤖 6:13pm DjLorraine: This is the show that 11 million should be tuning into
	6:15pm solo mon: The earth is flat but folded like origami into a globe shape.
	6:15pm (((Murakami Whywolf): It's not a theory, it's an hypothesis—a well-disproved one, by an hypothesis none the less. Rolando: We don't see only one side, we see about 60% of the surface over the course of the month, and the rest of that other surface from orbit about the Moon.
	6:15pm joe mulligan: @(((Murakami Whywolf) to your point I've been hearing more about conspiracy theories propagating by people who feels powerless in society and want to place blame on the powerful controlling rich. It's pretty much right out of the "simp/incel" playbook
	6:15pm dale: we need crazy people. otherwise micah and ken wouldn't have a show.
	6:15pm Franco Twinkie: The flat earth pancake breakfast coming right up.
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU is my flat earth community.
	6:16pm P-90: Right! “we only see one side of the Moon”… until we fly around to the other side and see it from there
	6:16pm kevlicki: Ah! A place where people with odd thoughts and fringe taste can come together in community….🤔…WFMU!!!!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Flat Earth Man has a posh British accent!
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: What I'm interested in is how the alt-right (rather, the highly skilled, highly monetized PR firms that create the alt-right in their -chan etc. platforms and then send it out in the world) intersects with the historical conspiracy theory and the business model of social media and how extremely well they captured those platforms. The belief in the flat earth is honestly kind of secondary -- follow the money to who profits from all this, and I wonder how closely it matches the same ones who profit from Jan. 6.
	6:17pm P-90: @Webhamster: Amen!
	🤖 6:17pm chresti: This all distracts from the fact that earth is a misshapen egg shape
	6:17pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Good evening Mark & Kelly !
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Techtonic from May 20, 2019 with "Behind the Curve" director Daniel J. Clark: www.wfmu.org...
	6:17pm Listener Robert: Big Globe must be behind it.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Some of those krinkly weird eggs are really tasty, chresti!
	6:18pm timinoak: Chresti!! haha. yes.
	6:18pm P-90: @chresti: it’s an “oblate spheroid”
	6:18pm Rolando: The Rollercoast by Alfred Bester? This book highlights how we all seek thrills ...to some degree or another, so is this not what these folks are doing? Is this not what happens with Social Media.
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: @solo Mon @6:15 The most accurate spacial representation of the Earth wfmu.org... "Dymaxion Map," the Fuller Projection Map is the only flat map of the entire surface of the Earth which reveals our planet as one island in one ocean, without any visually obvious distortion of the relative shapes and sizes of the land areas, and without splitting any continents.”
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: So is the ice wall melting due to global warming?
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: What global warming, Webhamster H? The ice walls would never allow it!
	6:20pm solo mon: The cow that jumped over the moon was interviewed by Kermit the Frog in 1979.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @kevlicki (6:13) good one
	6:21pm timinoak: better to debate christians?
	6:21pm Tom from Stirling.: If the Earth is flat, are all the other planets in the solar system also flat?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @PaulRobeson1920 good one, thanks
	6:21pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I had an in-law who was a member of a Christian cult ("The Bible Speaks"). The originator of it was a pastor who eventually was convicted of fraud after he was found to've lied to a Ms Dovydenas to get millions, saying that if she gave him the money his wife's nonexistent migraines would be cured, another time that it would save a missionary imprisoned in Roumania who'd already been freed. The in-law said she stayed in the cult 'for the community'. It makes me glad I'm autistic and introverted.
	6:21pm ultradamno: Damn pilots..
	6:21pm Rolando: Ahhh that is a long way. I did one way London to Sydney non-stop and that felt like it took forever to get there.
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: If the planets are stuck on the celestial sphere, how does say Jupiter rotate?
	6:22pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Tom from Stirling.: Traitor! Do you not believe in Terran Exceptionalism?!!!
	6:22pm dale: so do these clowns think the world is just a flat mercator projection?
	6:23pm P-90: You can sit on the International Space Station and watch the spherical, obviously “ball-shaped” Earth rotate beneath you, the spot on the Earth that you start watching will come back around every 92 minutes, over and over again. Explain that, bitches.
	6:23pm timinoak: "a little futile"is the description of this era
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: This show is much more fun that Ken's brain transplant show.
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: So when it rotates it goes splatt?
	6:24pm castor: Part of the mistrust of science also has to do with big corporations creating fake studies to “prove” their products were safe, such as tobacco and oil companies. They widely spread the concept of “alternative facts” and “biased science”, and then the counter from progressive scientists and environmentalists and such claiming the others are corporate shills. That contesting of truth on both sides is what opened the flood gates.
	6:25pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Handy Haversack: A lot of extreme-Right media have long been sponsored by quack cures for diseases, and for that matter for owing taxes. I think they know that the audience for these programmes are self-selected for 0.) credulence and 1.) believe in individual solutions.
	6:25pm castor: @P-90, the problem is only a handful of people can ACTUALLY do that, the rest just have to take their word for it
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Why do people believe anything, anyway?
	6:26pm Fidel: So, does anyone fall off of the edge of the earth to these people?
	6:26pm Jack: Don't feed the trolls...
	6:26pm solo mon: When the space station is the world’s best rotating restaurant.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: K8 has landed safely in Seattle. I forgot to ask her whether she could see the ice wall. Whywolf, here's some well-researched delving into the money and patterns of alt-right creation: cup.columbia.edu...
	6:27pm ultradamno: By the way, not entirely unrelated, John Oliver did an exceptional on how critical race theory reached hysteria proportions.
	🤖 6:27pm Ken From Hyde Park: Like this projection, dale? www.xkcd.com...
	6:27pm dale: i wonder how deep the round pancake shaped earth is. and if there's a bizarro world on the other side.
	6:28pm ultradamno: exceptional *piece, that is
	6:28pm P-90: Even “Admiral” Bill Shatner saw the curvature of the Earth beneath him during his suborbital hop in 2021.
	6:28pm Davey: @ultradamno I was just typing that same comment
	6:29pm joe mulligan: YouTube - the virality of technology that draws people who are bored to death. It's not terminator robots that will destroy humans in the Singularity, it's humans themselves who will destroy humans
	6:29pm (Murakami Whywolf))): P-90: Have YOU been up there? No!, you believe what someone—probably Soros, am I not right, do you not become overcome with fear at seeing that name?—have paid or frightened other people into saying. Less snarkily: Vietnam and he Gulf War, then the election of Barack Obama, left a lot of people not in a mood to trust _any_ authority…except random would-be shepherds screaming 'Wake up, sheep!'.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Ken, beware when projecting yourself into the abyss lest &c. &c.
	6:30pm joe mulligan: meaning the AI algorithms will let us kill ourselves rather than robots.
	6:31pm P-90: @Webhamster: you’re right, maybe it’s all this “believing” this and “believing” that which is the cause of much of the trouble in the world
	6:32pm joe mulligan: it all comes back to the like button, groups, and ad revenue linked to it
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: @joe mulligan good point. The inventor of the Facebook "like" button has since gone public saying he regrets what he did.
	6:33pm P-90: er… “Soros”?!
	6:33pm timinoak: "fringe" seeming to be about 30% of america
	6:33pm _Ike_: Kelly Weill also appeared on the QAnon Anonymous podcast recently and that was fascinating as well.
	6:34pm Davey: I believe it was Adam Conover who got a "scientific study" published a transcript of his TV show in a supposed peer-reviewed journal (?) I could be misremembering. Critical thought is vital in evaluating "science" -- but people are not taught to think critically and equate "research" with watching YouTube videos
	6:34pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: The 'critical race theory' mess is interesting because we have a Patient Zero for it in Christopher Rufo, who explicitly said that not only must the term be demonised, but _anything_ that they opposed should be tied to it whether it were part of it or not.
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Dish, Ike!
	6:36pm ultradamno: @MW Yeah, and it works precisely because he knew he had one indirect direct line to the ear of an impressionable president
	6:36pm P-90: She’s right! These “radical beliefs” are alternate worlds for dysfunctional people to escape to
	6:36pm (Murakami Whywolf))): joe mulligan: Well before we kill ourselves off, A.I.s will frequently pass the Turing Tests because we humans' responses will have become increasingly boring and formulaic.
	6:37pm Fidel: Marketers and advertisers have data on all these groups on Facebook. Hackers, please release!!!!
	6:37pm Fidel: Why isn't FB hacked more often?
	6:38pm P-90: These beliefs are like drugs. They are a refuge from a reality that an individual finds challenging.
	🤖 6:38pm Wendy del Formaggio: I keep thinking about Hannah Arendt in this conversation, and how she draws a direct line from people experiencing isolation to them having/ committing alarming beliefs / actions.
	🤖 6:38pm Bas NL: Mid program. I think Earth is a: O Sphere O Flat O Oblate Spheroid O A rock band
	6:38pm Fidel: We need laws to make these algorithms public
	6:39pm Fidel: Wendy--hopefully, after pandemic subsides that isolation will lessen
	6:40pm Re6ecca: My son who is 13 and in 7th grade had to write a fake news article for his Global Affairs class. He wrote an article describing Joe Biden as a Flat Earther and believes the moon landing was staged!! I found it amusing as does he!
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Bas: Trick question! The answer is "Maurice White."
	6:40pm (((Murakami Whywolf): P-90: The alternate world in which many of these people believe that the world is ruled by an all-powerful, all-knowing, Father. Since things obviously don't look such were the case—e.g. a black man was 'elected' President—they have to believe in a Satan who's screwing things up and keeping things from Being Perfect, e.g. living in a Great America where a man's a _man_. They often believe in both a literal Satan but also in earthly stand-ins.
	6:40pm Franco Twinkie: Could it be that flat earth beliefs give people who are looking for a reason to ditch their friends and family a ready made out?
	6:40pm P-90: See? K-Pop fandom can serve all the same purposes in someone’s life as Qanon. Or Flat-Eartherism.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Wendy, I thought it was "Mostly harmless."
	6:40pm Tommy in Neversink: I'm in the Flat Bread community . Bill Gates is just trying to sell more yeast
	6:41pm Dean: I dunno. I kinda like crazy notions. They make me wonder about where I'm coming from. I'm uncomfortable with the notion that alternate accounts are the equivalent of "flat earth." Skepticism is critical, and in both directions.
	6:41pm Rolando: It all goes back to the "light bulb" we spend to much time awake and chasing something we can't find, ... and we forget the spiritual side of our being. Another concern is that we collect in cohorts, by age, from school to the work place, so we are like chickens which need their beaks chopped so we don't pick each other to death .. big subject .. too much to deal with in a short note :)
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: @Wendy Added to the list! :)
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: @ Re6ecca I like the old joke about Kubrick did stage the moon landing but since he was such a perfectionist he had to film it on location
	6:42pm solo mon: I’m an earth flatterer. I try to compliment the earth as much as possible.
	6:42pm _Ike_: @Tommy, so fans of bread bowls are your mortal enemies?
	6:43pm Feldy: Do flat-earther's think the moon is flat, too?
	6:43pm P-90: Can’t wait for Mark’s episode about K-Pop cultism
	6:43pm ?: I think that photo of the equator show that Ship is about a foot short of a first down. 4th and a foot.Play ball!
	6:43pm Feldy: OLO Solo :)
	6:44pm ultradamno: @Feldy They believe it's an artificial light in the sky.
	6:44pm dale: some people will think flat earthers are insane but believe in jesus christ as their savior. i don't get religion either.
	6:45pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Dean: Scepticism in all directions is a good idea, but we will inevitably weigh it more in some than others. Having seen the fruits of the scientific method—good and bad—indicate that it's pretty good at getting a fairly consistent map of reality, and that most scientists I've observed and been keep pretty well to it (even Francis Collins didn't try to use prophetic dreams at work), I will be more sceptical of Flat Earthers than of nearly everyone else from Erastosthenes onward.
	6:45pm solo mon: Fat earth vs flat earth
	6:45pm ultradamno: flatearthmodels.com
	6:46pm Franco Twinkie: Are carbonated beverages partly to blame?
	🤖 6:46pm MarciB: We watched "The Social Dilemma" this weekend. This confirms all of the horrors in that movie.
	6:46pm dale: franco - grape crush and mr. pibb!
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: I knew it!
	6:47pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Folsom: "Futurama" had Pres. Truman, on seeing wht he thought was an hostile alien, decide to shift resources from faking a Moon landing to actually doing it.
	6:47pm P-90: So the monetization of “clicks”, “views”, “likes” is what’s finally going to destroy human civilization?
	6:47pm ?: I prefer a more Rubenesque Earth
	🤖 6:48pm MarciB: P-90 I'm afraid so
	6:48pm P-90: ? for the win!
	6:48pm castor: @Wendy, that’s so true! Im also reminded of Nietzsche “Immediately upon the appearance of corruption anywhere, a motley superstition gets the upper hand, and the hitherto universal belief of a people becomes colourless and impotent in comparison with it; for superstition is freethinking of the second rank, he who gives himself over to it selects certain forms and formulae which appeal to him, and permits himself a right of choice. The superstitious man is always much more of a "person," in comparison with the religious man, and a superstitious society will be one in which there are many individuals and a delight in individuality. Seen from this standpoint superstition always appears as a progress in comparison with belief, and as a sign that the intellect becomes more independent and claims to have its rights.”
	6:48pm Re6ecca: @Folsom Haha!
	6:50pm P-90: There ya go. Ol’ Fred Nietzsche had this sussed out ages ago….
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also Futurama, in the episode where the crew visited a 2-dimensional world: "Third dimension? I can't picture that! You're dumb."
	6:50pm ?: Much more disturbed by the reports of microwave weaponry being used on people.
	6:51pm _Ike_: @Handy@6:34, hard to sum up, but it was a fun listen because she was allowed to curse since it was a podcast not a broadcast. One of the few podcasts I bother to set aside time to listen to. WFMU needs more terrible shows so I can break away more often and listen to other things, ha ha.
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Ike: Your last sentence, YES. haha
	🤖 6:52pm Folsom: @Ike I forgot to thank you a couple of weeks ago when you talked about tanks, I had to do some research but figured it out, i'm very surprised
	6:52pm P-90: “Eight Dudes in Silicon Valley” that’s my Netflix series pitch
	6:52pm Listener Robert: Ike calling Kenny G, you are needed on WFMUs schedule.
	6:53pm adampsyche: tanks?
	6:53pm ?: Your welcome
	6:53pm Tom from Stirling.: youre welcome
	6:53pm _Ike_: @KfHP, Futurama is brilliant. I didn't like the second iteration of Futurama as much -- apparently they were being cheap and didn't have a real writers' room when they brought it back, so the scripts were just being written by one person each instead of being passed around to different writers who would each add more jokes, the way they're supposed to do it. So among the Comedy Central episodes, most of the best ones are the more dramatic, dramedy-ish, or conceptual ones. So I have mixed feelings about it being revived yet again.
	🤖 6:54pm Wendy del Formaggio: Ahhhh! MKUltra! Every time I hear those words I wanna go hide under the table.
	6:54pm (Murakami Whywolf))): P-90: Well, yes, but only because 'we' 'want' it to, that is enough people want what's being sold to make it profitable. That's why Fascism and Bolshevism did just fine with just radio and the press and men willing to kill and inflict pain; I don't believe in Mr Hurst's remedies because just The Web and us are all that's needed. castor: _Excellent_ Nietzsche quote. I have long since stopped being surprised by people who claim to 'reject Authority' when what they actually do is reject conventional Authority but treat other authorities with zero scepticism…and feel liberated.
	6:54pm Rolando: I honestly enjoy Mark Hurst's show so much, however, I sometimes wish Techtonic went just a little further out, a little riskier, a little more adventurous. For example: lets talk about Universal ID.
	6:54pm _Ike_: @Folsom... ... ...you mean "tankies"? Sure, glad I could help!
	6:54pm dale: station needs an area 51 art bell type of show.
	6:54pm ultradamno: Well, they're bringing it back again without John (Bender) DiMaggio
	6:55pm joe mulligan: good point about MK Ultra, Mark. I still don't know what to believe about the Havana Syndrome
	🤖 6:55pm Folsom: @Ike they could always bring back Narduar and Dave Emory
	6:55pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	6:55pm Pop: I heard Ken is an alien from outer space
	🤖 6:55pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks again for an excellent show, Mark! It's a mitzvah.
	6:56pm Listener Robert: Dale, there seems to be a slump now in those types of Webcasts as well as broadcasts.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: "A little more dedicated to truth": and hard work to get that far! Thanks for doing the work, Mark! Later on, Ice Walls.
	6:56pm castor: Thanks Mark!!!
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: @Ike yes I was trying to be obscure so not get anyone in trouble
	6:56pm P-90: Just remember: the Earth is an oblate spheroid.
	6:56pm Wenzo Toad: thanks Mark
	6:56pm WR: Thank you Mark! Can we hack the algorithm to amplify your efforts?
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Agreed, Ike. Thanks, Mark. See you on the other side ... of something?
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: Do U want to meet intelligent life in the Universe?
	6:56pm Blobs: @Mark nice show tonight, thank you! Any thoughts on the Orwellian, extrajudicial financial surveillance & repression currently happening in Canada? :)
	6:56pm castor: @Whywolf exactly!
	6:57pm mkultradamno: I don't know, when Jim Carrey got to the edge, it didn't look like ice to me
	6:57pm _Ike_: Thanks Mark! @ultra, if they don't at least spin that into a series of jokes about fake Benders trying to replace the real Bender a la fake versions of Superman coming back from the dead, then the writers are truly hopeless.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: - Look in a mirror Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Catchy song. "Don't let 'em take your mind, man."
	6:58pm Fidel: "stupid sphere"--shape prejudice
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for joining me this evening!
	6:58pm P-90: o-b-l-a-t-e s-p-h-e-r-o-I-d
	6:58pm mkultradamno: Balls ARE ridiculous, unlike the majestic plate
	6:58pm Feldy: Not Shock G's best work
	6:58pm timinoak: Electrons are okay though!
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: It's clear to me that there is a parallel between the flat earth society and Bizarro World. All sorts of nutty backwards types of behavior were presented as proof how you could have a society that functioned more or less by it's own rules. The main difference between the two is Bizarro Word was a cube.
	6:59pm mkultradamno: Flat Earth Man has a problem staying on point
	6:59pm Fidel: is this guy related to the Times Square singing cowboy?
	6:59pm DanFA: This is absolutely slaps.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Follow the money. When they send their dues to the Flat Earth Society, where does the money go?
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: The Bad Religion tune is now an answer song!
	7:00pm P-90: @Franco: you’re right, it’s all about rejection of norms
	7:00pm lazy pierogi: guess i can remove my flat earther gARB now

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