WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from December 14, 2022

Listener comments!
	10:02pm headcleaner: Welcome to my pleasure garden
	♥ 10:03pm WR: Hi, will be listening as I heat up some soup.
	10:03pm Sam Segal: I prefer that to your pain garden, headcleaner!
	♥ 10:04pm coelacanth∅: Aloha Sam, centaurs
	♥ 10:04pm doctorjazz: 2 chords, lots of energy! (will check out, then hopefolly back in for a bit, then back tomorrow in the archives).
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Heat away, WR! I had soup tonight as well. Kimchi and tofu soup. What soup is on in your home tonight?
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Howdy, Coel!
	♥ 10:05pm doctorjazz: I just finished my soup a few minutes ago as well, the soup kitchen meets!
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Thanks for dropping in, Doc! See you soon, hopefully.
	♥ 10:07pm chresti: The shape on the upper left is a bird feeder? Urinal? Water fountain"
	♥ 10:07pm chresti: *?
	10:08pm still b/p: Big high heel shoe pointing toward us!
	10:09pm Sam Segal: It is quite unclear, Chresti! Bird feeder seems possible. SBP's suggestion seems viable as well.
	♥ 10:09pm coelacanth∅: yes i think that's it
	♥ 10:10pm coelacanth∅: maybe it's a big high-heeled shoe-shaped bird feeder
	♥ 10:10pm zzz: that was a cool track, and long! i need to do more exploring of built to spill. hey DJ SS and all!
	♥ 10:10pm chresti: And the tree stump/branch is giving it the finger?
	♥ 10:11pm coelacanth∅: -to try to attract colorful birds
	♥ 10:11pm coelacanth∅: i think that's a giant snail,chresti
	♥ 10:12pm coelacanth∅: (giving it the finger)
	10:12pm still b/p: Birds tune/fly in for Chia Chia Heels.
	♥ 10:12pm chresti: We recently saw these guys with Yo la tengo.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: I've never actually gone that deep on Built to Spill myself, zzz. But I've loved that specific track since I first heard it at my old college radio station.
	♥ 10:13pm chresti: I see, the finger is a perch.
	10:14pm Sam Segal: How were Death Cab live, Chresti?
	♥ 10:15pm coelacanth∅: same for me Sam (@1013). i've liked that song a lot ever since i first heard it -about 15 minutes ago
	♥ 10:16pm coelacanth∅: (obviously not true, as i clickystarred it in 2015. but i forgot about it)
	♥ 10:19pm coelacanth∅: i saw death cab for cutie at the siren festival at coney island c.2004. i wasn't very interested in them and they didn't disappoint.
	10:20pm still b/p: At the left margin, a tall Minion with a necktie looks across the bushes to the house on the right..
	♥ 10:21pm zzz: listened to a lot of the modest mouse album with ‘float on’ around the time it came out. loved it! haven’t really listened back to it since or really any other modest mouse
	10:24pm Sam Segal: Float On was my gateway into Modest Mouse. I still love that song. I wonder how it would play at karaoke.
	♥ 10:24pm coelacanth∅: i always said modest mouse is okay but you only need one of their albums. any one will do.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: If I had to pick one Modest Mouse album, it would be "The Lonesome Crowded West," which I believe they're playing in full on tour right now.
	♥ 10:29pm coelacanth∅: i was with someone who had 4 modest mouse albums on cassette (1 album/side -"bootleg") and i think we listened to that one the most.
	10:29pm rw: Hello!
	♥ 10:30pm chresti: I've heard the names BTS, MMouse but not familiar with the music. Behind the bird finger perch, still b/p?
	10:30pm Sam Segal: rw, may I just say...hello.
	10:31pm rw: Sam, you may. And I appreciate.
	♥ 10:32pm chresti: Death Cab had a sensational light show
	10:33pm northguineahills: Looks like i missed a great first set...
	10:34pm Sam Segal: NGH, I am glad to know you think those artists are great.
	10:35pm Sam Segal: Luckily, NGH, you made it in time for the Raï set.
	10:35pm Sam Segal: This is the best new song I heard in 2022.
	10:35pm northguineahills: I know a little too much about MM...(Isaac Brock live a 1.5 years in Gainesville b/c his gf lived there. He'd give me recs that subpop sent him, and he cooks a mean shrimp gumbo...)
	10:37pm Sam Segal: Wow! I also crossed paths with Isaac Brock once, although not to the extent that you did. I once drove him from his hotel to a gig. He vaped in the back of the van, and we had some stilted conversation about how much I love "The Lonesome Crowded West."
	♥ 10:37pm chresti: hi rw!
	♥ 10:37pm coelacanth∅: greetings rw!
	10:37pm northguineahills: Doug Martsch of BTS was also in the Treepeople and the Halo Benders
	♥ 10:38pm coelacanth∅: sorry Sam, tuned away for the autotune.
	10:38pm northguineahills: oh, take a drink of the can of coela....
	10:38pm Sam Segal: Haha, I remember from when I made my auto-tune premium that you are not a fan, Coel.
	♥ 10:40pm zzz: wow no kidding on this track. listen at high volume
	10:41pm Sam Segal: Can't imagine how good this would sound blasting out of a blown out car speaker
	♥ 10:42pm coelacanth∅: yes, "not a fan" is one way to put it! i consider it a disease in african contemporary music! i did an extensive african music playlist (over 5000 songs) and very little new music because most of it either has autotune, it's cheesy american-style music, or it rap.
	♥ 10:43pm coelacanth∅: ("very little" being relative)
	10:44pm Sam Segal: None other than Flea on bass on this track. None other than Robert Fripp on guitar!
	10:46pm Sam Segal: @Coel, there may be one other track in this set that deploys auto-tune. I'll try to provide fair warning.
	♥ 10:47pm coelacanth∅: early rai didn't have studio vocal trickery. the singers actually sang those intricate melismatic parts; but now it's usually done with electronics. it's a shame in my opinion.
	♥ 10:48pm coelacanth∅: haha,Thanks Sam! i like this one a lot!
	♥ 10:49pm coelacanth∅: (not that i'm remotely an expert on rai)
	10:49pm northguineahills: @coel: what does radiotelevione italiana have to do w/ pop music forms of algiers?
	10:49pm Sam Segal: I think there's a touch of auto-tune on this one.
	♥ 10:52pm coelacanth∅: ngh is that a riddle?!
	♥ 10:54pm doctorjazz: Back for a bit!
	10:55pm Sam Segal: Doc! Glad to have you for a spell.
	10:56pm northguineahills: @coel: radiotelevisione italiana is abbreviated as RAI (for tv, radio, and the record label)
	10:57pm Sam Segal: Oh dear. I undersold the amount of auto-tune in this set, Coel. I think I may have even sought out the tunes with auto-tune, now that I think about it.
	10:57pm rw: Loving the auto-tune!
	10:57pm northguineahills: today's pic is in Maspeth, queens, in the break of row houses on the south side of Flushing Ave where it intersects 59th Ave.
	♥ 10:58pm coelacanth∅: Sam, i know! that's interesting ngh. would not have guessed it
	10:58pm rw: Crank that shit.
	♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: Is that funny electronic sound intermittently in the vocals autotune? It's bizarre...
	10:59pm Sam Segal: That is exactly what the auto-tune is, Doc.
	11:01pm rw: Normally I'm not a fan, but I like how far they're pushing it.
	11:02pm rw: It took me some time to appreciate the kind of cheeze they're pedaling here too.
	11:03pm northguineahills: of course, auto-tune was originally invented to measure pitch. then to slightly 'correct' pitches of instrumental then vocal recordings in post production. it only was just after the turn of the millenia that it was used purposefully to an singular effect unto itself, as most of us are accustomed to r&b, later hiphop, and now international musics...
	11:04pm still b/p: Pedaling the Raicycle.
	♥ 11:06pm coelacanth∅: i do appreciate it when it's used as an instrument, as opposed to a crutch for people who cannot sing -or dumbass record companies who foolishly decided along the way that "perfect" is better, so they force it on perfectly good singers. (though in any usage i consider it dehumanizing and it grates on my nerves heavily and immediately)
	11:08pm northguineahills: don't forget the title, "chebi" (which i believe is the same as cheb)
	11:10pm Sam Segal: Ah yes, Chebi!
	♥ 11:11pm coelacanth∅: i think it grew in usage mainly because record companies saw it as a tool to save them money... considerably fewer vocal takes -just sing it shitty and fix it with autotune. but yeah now people have embraced it. which makes me sad (because of the dehumanizing)
	♥ 11:12pm coelacanth∅: (people also imagine themselves becoming part robot. we are very sick!)
	11:13pm northguineahills: coel and Rev Rabbit confirmed as the same person... ;p
	11:13pm still b/p: I may have missed it elsewhere, but Cher's "Believe" was where I, and I believe a lotta other folks, first noted the aututune effect used in the manner that went on to such overkill thereafter. It was at least used with some discrimination in the song -- just a dash of it. (Footnote: "she became the oldest female artist ever to have the no. 1 song on the Billboard chart, a distinction she still holds 20 years later.")
	11:15pm Dean: I don't think it is per se dehumanizing. I love it as an instrument, albeit one not always elegantly wielded. I'm not sure what it means for a musical instrument to "dehumanize" anything. Zapp's "More Bounce to the Ounce" was way before Cher.
	11:15pm northguineahills: musically, it's been in the public consciousness longer then I've been alive (according to hack quartet from dusseldorf.)
	11:15pm northguineahills: (people imagining themselves becoming part robot)
	♥ 11:17pm doctorjazz: Sax intonation sounds a bit suspicious...
	11:17pm northguineahills: @Dean: i concur. then again, many instruments in many contexts are not used 'elegantly', at least w/ artistic intent. (whatever that is)
	11:18pm northguineahills: btw, it's been a quarter century since the first autotune commercial release...
	11:19pm DL in LA: Hi Sam, I appreciate how your sound levels are always so good. Sometimes some shows on the streams can sound a little blown out, or the opposite, too low.
	♥ 11:19pm coelacanth∅: ngh what???!
	11:20pm northguineahills: sept 19, 1997
	♥ 11:20pm doctorjazz: Story Mode sounds like jazz-rock fusion
	♥ 11:22pm coelacanth∅: when Cher used it it was an effect. intentionally up front, not trying to hide it. and we all knew Cher could sing it fine without help. i don't much like that song but i have no problem with the autotune part of it.
	11:22pm Sam Segal: I appreciate that, DL! I try to be as attentive as I can to my levels. It can be hard when working with digital files that are all mastered differently. Glad it is coming across smooth and steady on the other end!
	11:22pm northguineahills: @coel: i hated it when it came out. not as much anymore...
	11:23pm Sam Segal: Agreed, Doc. Now this one right here is a self-conscious fusion of surf rock and dub.
	♥ 11:23pm coelacanth∅: haha, my what! was for @1113
	♥ 11:24pm doctorjazz: Is there such a thing as Bad Twang?
	11:25pm northguineahills: @coel: Rev Rabbit has expressed an extreme dislike for drum machines/programming due to their 'unhumanness' (and repetition)
	♥ 11:26pm WR: I'm having canned tomato soup to which I added potato, broccoli and lots of garlic plus some dried oregano and a Nepali red chile, garlic and Sichuan pepper mix. I am in the camp of preferring less auto-tune. I got a couple of RAI cd box sets about 15 years ago. I need to find them and get up to speed on the genre.
	11:27pm northguineahills: dj rupture put out a 3 hr comp on rai on his 2011 premium...
	11:28pm Sam Segal: I gotta see if that DJ Rupture premium is still in the library at FMU. Would love to hear that.
	11:29pm Sam Segal: WR, I like the idea of adding more ingredients to a canned tomato soup. Gotta try that sometime.
	11:32pm headcleaner: Yeah, a lot of people don't know they can do that
	11:32pm still b/p: Throw a semi-crisp scallion pancake in there and it will change your life.
	♥ 11:33pm doctorjazz: Had leftover Moroccan Beef Soup (love having leftovers) jamiegeller.com... Speaking of over, gotta hit the hay-night all! Thanks Sam!
	11:34pm Dean: Have I missed Mitterer? Just curious.
	11:34pm northguineahills: drjazz and his WC-themed cuisine making me jealous...(not even going to guess what you had for breakfast)
	11:34pm Sam Segal: Sleep well, Doc!
	♥ 11:35pm chresti: Have leftover leek pancakes
	♥ 11:36pm zzz: that was good headphones track. cool guitars set
	♥ 11:37pm doctorjazz: Don't est breakfast, fast about 14 hours after dinner. Layers! (For real...) (Will fall asleep to Thumbscrew)
	11:39pm Sam Segal: I can't seem to get over guitars. Guitars, folks. They're great!
	♥ 11:39pm coelacanth∅: oh ngh (@1125) i didn't know that -not that i'm surprised though
	11:43pm Dean: Here's a poem I wrote recently. It has important connections to Mitter: https://peralta.instructuremedia.com/embed/2138dc80-6f6b-4ff3-a228-7f00c27e2dee
	11:44pm Dean: Er, Mitterer. Jeebus.
	♥ 11:44pm coelacanth∅: i don't think there's a canned or otherwise packaged soup out there that i wouldn't feel the need to doctor up. my fix for cream of tomato soup is usually fresh cilantro, raw cashews and a few paper-thin slices of raw onion. mm mm good (if you like cilantro)
	11:44pm diskoozgun: Gasparyan 👑
	11:45pm Sam Segal: Thanks for sharing this, Dean. Excited to check it out after the show.
	11:46pm Sam Segal: Yes, diskoozgun! Otherworldly sound.
	11:46pm Dean: Thank you, Sam. I would love to hear all reactions, negative, neutral, positive.
	♥ 11:47pm coelacanth∅: i bought this album ~1990 based on a description on a record store shelf in front of it. upon hearing it -aside from falling in Love with it -i thought, "i will not be sad in this world" must be the saddest music i've ever heard.
	11:47pm diskoozgun: Thank u Sam
	♥ 11:51pm WR: Thank you for the poesy link, Dean. Will read later.
	11:52pm Dean: Thanks for entertaining my output, WR. You won't have to read, because I recite it. But if you want the text, let me know. I'm not a fan of poetry read out loud, but this was an assignment.
	11:57pm northguineahills: sam, you did it again. sees ya next time! (i went a whole show w/o a horse pun, i might finally be out)
	11:58pm Sam Segal: Adios, NGH!
	♥ 12:02am coelacanth∅: pony up ngh, we know you've got another in ya
	♥ 12:02am WR: Thank you, Sam. Read all y'alls laters.
	♥ 12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! 'night y'all
	12:05am northguineahills: @coel: whinny i see you next time
	♥ 12:06am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 11:04am doctorjazz: And did get to hear the whole show today (better in some ways, can pause it when I can't listen, but miss the chat. Have been determined to get 7-8 hours of sleep, which has made the shows that do to midnight difficult). Anyway, thanks, Sam!

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December 14, 2022: Cheerfully Yours, The Horse

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Built to Spill	Goin' Against Your Mind	You in Reverse	Warner Bros.	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Modest Mouse	Race Car Grin You Ain't No Landmark	Sad Sappy Sucker	K	0:09:47 (Pop-up)
Death Cab for Cutie	We Laugh Indoors	The Photo Album	Barsuk	0:10:57 (Pop-up)

Nouara	Tit Ik Yezran "Tit Ik Yezran" by "Nouara"	La Femme Kabyle et Ses Problèmes	Les Artistes Arabes Associés	0:22:39 (Pop-up)
Boutaiba Sghir	Malgre Tout "Malgre Tout" by "Boutaiba Sghir"	Sonia Disques - 5330	Sonia Disques	0:29:13 (Pop-up)
Cheba Wahida	Jrouli Jrouli "Jrouli Jrouli" by "Cheba Wahida"	Jrouli	Nasahzphone	0:34:37 (Pop-up)
Cheikha Rimitti	Nghani Ki Ma Nabghi	Sidi Mansour	Absolute	0:42:01 (Pop-up)
Cheb Hassen	Winta Ttwali Rajel Ki R Jel	Les 30 Ans du Raï		0:48:26 (Pop-up)
Chaba Fadela & Cheb Sahraoui	Manich Mana	Les 30 Ans du Raï		0:52:08 (Pop-up)
Chaba Djenet & Redouane	Chkoun Li Atak De Raï	Les 30 Ans du Raï		0:55:59 (Pop-up)
Khaled	Aïcha "Aïcha" by "Khaled"	Les 30 Ans du Raï		0:59:36 (Pop-up)

Women	Heat Distraction "Heat Distraction" by "Women"	Public Strain	Jagjaguwar	1:10:12 (Pop-up)
Shintaro Sakamoto	Like A Fable "Like A Fable" by "Shintaro Sakamoto"	Like A Fable	zelone	1:14:15 (Pop-up)
Euglossine	Story Mode "Story Mode" by "Euglossine"	Some Kind Of Forever	sound as language	1:18:33 (Pop-up)
Répéter	Excellency, Black Pyramids!!	Bad Twang	Bokeh Versions	1:21:18 (Pop-up)
Romain Baudoin	Leon "Leon" by "Romain Baudoin"	Bestiari	Pagans	1:25:47 (Pop-up)
Nathaniel Braddock	Spiral Lightwave Dispenser	Guitar Ensembles: If I Were a Bell I Would Sing	Union Pole	1:30:20 (Pop-up)

Md. After Hussain & PAQ	Modhu Hoi Hoi Bish Khawaila	Matir Gaan	Hive Mind	1:38:22 (Pop-up)
Anja Lauvdal	Darkkantate "Darkkantate" by "Anja Lauvdal"	From a Story Now Lost	Smalltown Supersound	1:41:21 (Pop-up)
Djivan Gasparyan	Look Here, My Dear	I Will Not Be Sad In This World	All Saints	1:43:40 (Pop-up)
Goo Age	kopepe for udu+EWI "kopepe for udu+EWI" by "Goo Age"	Open Zone	Orange Milk	1:47:41 (Pop-up)
Jeremy Young	Untitled (For Kelly)	August Tape Sketches	meakusma	1:51:02 (Pop-up)
Liew Niyomkarn	I Think of Another Time When You Heard It	I Think of Another Time When You Heard It	Chinabot	1:52:52 (Pop-up)
Alexander Panos	catch it "catch it" by "Alexander Panos"	Nascent	Self-Released	1:57:28 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:02pm headcleaner: Welcome to my pleasure garden
	♥ 10:03pm WR: Hi, will be listening as I heat up some soup.
	10:03pm Sam Segal: I prefer that to your pain garden, headcleaner!
	♥ 10:04pm coelacanth∅: Aloha Sam, centaurs
	♥ 10:04pm doctorjazz: 2 chords, lots of energy! (will check out, then hopefolly back in for a bit, then back tomorrow in the archives).
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Heat away, WR! I had soup tonight as well. Kimchi and tofu soup. What soup is on in your home tonight?
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Howdy, Coel!
	♥ 10:05pm doctorjazz: I just finished my soup a few minutes ago as well, the soup kitchen meets!
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Thanks for dropping in, Doc! See you soon, hopefully.
	♥ 10:07pm chresti: The shape on the upper left is a bird feeder? Urinal? Water fountain"
	♥ 10:07pm chresti: *?
	10:08pm still b/p: Big high heel shoe pointing toward us!
	10:09pm Sam Segal: It is quite unclear, Chresti! Bird feeder seems possible. SBP's suggestion seems viable as well.
	♥ 10:09pm coelacanth∅: yes i think that's it
	♥ 10:10pm coelacanth∅: maybe it's a big high-heeled shoe-shaped bird feeder
	♥ 10:10pm zzz: that was a cool track, and long! i need to do more exploring of built to spill. hey DJ SS and all!
	♥ 10:10pm chresti: And the tree stump/branch is giving it the finger?
	♥ 10:11pm coelacanth∅: -to try to attract colorful birds
	♥ 10:11pm coelacanth∅: i think that's a giant snail,chresti
	♥ 10:12pm coelacanth∅: (giving it the finger)
	10:12pm still b/p: Birds tune/fly in for Chia Chia Heels.
	♥ 10:12pm chresti: We recently saw these guys with Yo la tengo.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: I've never actually gone that deep on Built to Spill myself, zzz. But I've loved that specific track since I first heard it at my old college radio station.
	♥ 10:13pm chresti: I see, the finger is a perch.
	10:14pm Sam Segal: How were Death Cab live, Chresti?
	♥ 10:15pm coelacanth∅: same for me Sam (@1013). i've liked that song a lot ever since i first heard it -about 15 minutes ago
	♥ 10:16pm coelacanth∅: (obviously not true, as i clickystarred it in 2015. but i forgot about it)
	♥ 10:19pm coelacanth∅: i saw death cab for cutie at the siren festival at coney island c.2004. i wasn't very interested in them and they didn't disappoint.
	10:20pm still b/p: At the left margin, a tall Minion with a necktie looks across the bushes to the house on the right..
	♥ 10:21pm zzz: listened to a lot of the modest mouse album with ‘float on’ around the time it came out. loved it! haven’t really listened back to it since or really any other modest mouse
	10:24pm Sam Segal: Float On was my gateway into Modest Mouse. I still love that song. I wonder how it would play at karaoke.
	♥ 10:24pm coelacanth∅: i always said modest mouse is okay but you only need one of their albums. any one will do.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: If I had to pick one Modest Mouse album, it would be "The Lonesome Crowded West," which I believe they're playing in full on tour right now.
	♥ 10:29pm coelacanth∅: i was with someone who had 4 modest mouse albums on cassette (1 album/side -"bootleg") and i think we listened to that one the most.
	10:29pm rw: Hello!
	♥ 10:30pm chresti: I've heard the names BTS, MMouse but not familiar with the music. Behind the bird finger perch, still b/p?
	10:30pm Sam Segal: rw, may I just say...hello.
	10:31pm rw: Sam, you may. And I appreciate.
	♥ 10:32pm chresti: Death Cab had a sensational light show
	10:33pm northguineahills: Looks like i missed a great first set...
	10:34pm Sam Segal: NGH, I am glad to know you think those artists are great.
	10:35pm Sam Segal: Luckily, NGH, you made it in time for the Raï set.
	10:35pm Sam Segal: This is the best new song I heard in 2022.
	10:35pm northguineahills: I know a little too much about MM...(Isaac Brock live a 1.5 years in Gainesville b/c his gf lived there. He'd give me recs that subpop sent him, and he cooks a mean shrimp gumbo...)
	10:37pm Sam Segal: Wow! I also crossed paths with Isaac Brock once, although not to the extent that you did. I once drove him from his hotel to a gig. He vaped in the back of the van, and we had some stilted conversation about how much I love "The Lonesome Crowded West."
	♥ 10:37pm chresti: hi rw!
	♥ 10:37pm coelacanth∅: greetings rw!
	10:37pm northguineahills: Doug Martsch of BTS was also in the Treepeople and the Halo Benders
	♥ 10:38pm coelacanth∅: sorry Sam, tuned away for the autotune.
	10:38pm northguineahills: oh, take a drink of the can of coela....
	10:38pm Sam Segal: Haha, I remember from when I made my auto-tune premium that you are not a fan, Coel.
	♥ 10:40pm zzz: wow no kidding on this track. listen at high volume
	10:41pm Sam Segal: Can't imagine how good this would sound blasting out of a blown out car speaker
	♥ 10:42pm coelacanth∅: yes, "not a fan" is one way to put it! i consider it a disease in african contemporary music! i did an extensive african music playlist (over 5000 songs) and very little new music because most of it either has autotune, it's cheesy american-style music, or it rap.
	♥ 10:43pm coelacanth∅: ("very little" being relative)
	10:44pm Sam Segal: None other than Flea on bass on this track. None other than Robert Fripp on guitar!
	10:46pm Sam Segal: @Coel, there may be one other track in this set that deploys auto-tune. I'll try to provide fair warning.
	♥ 10:47pm coelacanth∅: early rai didn't have studio vocal trickery. the singers actually sang those intricate melismatic parts; but now it's usually done with electronics. it's a shame in my opinion.
	♥ 10:48pm coelacanth∅: haha,Thanks Sam! i like this one a lot!
	♥ 10:49pm coelacanth∅: (not that i'm remotely an expert on rai)
	10:49pm northguineahills: @coel: what does radiotelevione italiana have to do w/ pop music forms of algiers?
	10:49pm Sam Segal: I think there's a touch of auto-tune on this one.
	♥ 10:52pm coelacanth∅: ngh is that a riddle?!
	♥ 10:54pm doctorjazz: Back for a bit!
	10:55pm Sam Segal: Doc! Glad to have you for a spell.
	10:56pm northguineahills: @coel: radiotelevisione italiana is abbreviated as RAI (for tv, radio, and the record label)
	10:57pm Sam Segal: Oh dear. I undersold the amount of auto-tune in this set, Coel. I think I may have even sought out the tunes with auto-tune, now that I think about it.
	10:57pm rw: Loving the auto-tune!
	10:57pm northguineahills: today's pic is in Maspeth, queens, in the break of row houses on the south side of Flushing Ave where it intersects 59th Ave.
	♥ 10:58pm coelacanth∅: Sam, i know! that's interesting ngh. would not have guessed it
	10:58pm rw: Crank that shit.
	♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: Is that funny electronic sound intermittently in the vocals autotune? It's bizarre...
	10:59pm Sam Segal: That is exactly what the auto-tune is, Doc.
	11:01pm rw: Normally I'm not a fan, but I like how far they're pushing it.
	11:02pm rw: It took me some time to appreciate the kind of cheeze they're pedaling here too.
	11:03pm northguineahills: of course, auto-tune was originally invented to measure pitch. then to slightly 'correct' pitches of instrumental then vocal recordings in post production. it only was just after the turn of the millenia that it was used purposefully to an singular effect unto itself, as most of us are accustomed to r&b, later hiphop, and now international musics...
	11:04pm still b/p: Pedaling the Raicycle.
	♥ 11:06pm coelacanth∅: i do appreciate it when it's used as an instrument, as opposed to a crutch for people who cannot sing -or dumbass record companies who foolishly decided along the way that "perfect" is better, so they force it on perfectly good singers. (though in any usage i consider it dehumanizing and it grates on my nerves heavily and immediately)
	11:08pm northguineahills: don't forget the title, "chebi" (which i believe is the same as cheb)
	11:10pm Sam Segal: Ah yes, Chebi!
	♥ 11:11pm coelacanth∅: i think it grew in usage mainly because record companies saw it as a tool to save them money... considerably fewer vocal takes -just sing it shitty and fix it with autotune. but yeah now people have embraced it. which makes me sad (because of the dehumanizing)
	♥ 11:12pm coelacanth∅: (people also imagine themselves becoming part robot. we are very sick!)
	11:13pm northguineahills: coel and Rev Rabbit confirmed as the same person... ;p
	11:13pm still b/p: I may have missed it elsewhere, but Cher's "Believe" was where I, and I believe a lotta other folks, first noted the aututune effect used in the manner that went on to such overkill thereafter. It was at least used with some discrimination in the song -- just a dash of it. (Footnote: "she became the oldest female artist ever to have the no. 1 song on the Billboard chart, a distinction she still holds 20 years later.")
	11:15pm Dean: I don't think it is per se dehumanizing. I love it as an instrument, albeit one not always elegantly wielded. I'm not sure what it means for a musical instrument to "dehumanize" anything. Zapp's "More Bounce to the Ounce" was way before Cher.
	11:15pm northguineahills: musically, it's been in the public consciousness longer then I've been alive (according to hack quartet from dusseldorf.)
	11:15pm northguineahills: (people imagining themselves becoming part robot)
	♥ 11:17pm doctorjazz: Sax intonation sounds a bit suspicious...
	11:17pm northguineahills: @Dean: i concur. then again, many instruments in many contexts are not used 'elegantly', at least w/ artistic intent. (whatever that is)
	11:18pm northguineahills: btw, it's been a quarter century since the first autotune commercial release...
	11:19pm DL in LA: Hi Sam, I appreciate how your sound levels are always so good. Sometimes some shows on the streams can sound a little blown out, or the opposite, too low.
	♥ 11:19pm coelacanth∅: ngh what???!
	11:20pm northguineahills: sept 19, 1997
	♥ 11:20pm doctorjazz: Story Mode sounds like jazz-rock fusion
	♥ 11:22pm coelacanth∅: when Cher used it it was an effect. intentionally up front, not trying to hide it. and we all knew Cher could sing it fine without help. i don't much like that song but i have no problem with the autotune part of it.
	11:22pm Sam Segal: I appreciate that, DL! I try to be as attentive as I can to my levels. It can be hard when working with digital files that are all mastered differently. Glad it is coming across smooth and steady on the other end!
	11:22pm northguineahills: @coel: i hated it when it came out. not as much anymore...
	11:23pm Sam Segal: Agreed, Doc. Now this one right here is a self-conscious fusion of surf rock and dub.
	♥ 11:23pm coelacanth∅: haha, my what! was for @1113
	♥ 11:24pm doctorjazz: Is there such a thing as Bad Twang?
	11:25pm northguineahills: @coel: Rev Rabbit has expressed an extreme dislike for drum machines/programming due to their 'unhumanness' (and repetition)
	♥ 11:26pm WR: I'm having canned tomato soup to which I added potato, broccoli and lots of garlic plus some dried oregano and a Nepali red chile, garlic and Sichuan pepper mix. I am in the camp of preferring less auto-tune. I got a couple of RAI cd box sets about 15 years ago. I need to find them and get up to speed on the genre.
	11:27pm northguineahills: dj rupture put out a 3 hr comp on rai on his 2011 premium...
	11:28pm Sam Segal: I gotta see if that DJ Rupture premium is still in the library at FMU. Would love to hear that.
	11:29pm Sam Segal: WR, I like the idea of adding more ingredients to a canned tomato soup. Gotta try that sometime.
	11:32pm headcleaner: Yeah, a lot of people don't know they can do that
	11:32pm still b/p: Throw a semi-crisp scallion pancake in there and it will change your life.
	♥ 11:33pm doctorjazz: Had leftover Moroccan Beef Soup (love having leftovers) jamiegeller.com... Speaking of over, gotta hit the hay-night all! Thanks Sam!
	11:34pm Dean: Have I missed Mitterer? Just curious.
	11:34pm northguineahills: drjazz and his WC-themed cuisine making me jealous...(not even going to guess what you had for breakfast)
	11:34pm Sam Segal: Sleep well, Doc!
	♥ 11:35pm chresti: Have leftover leek pancakes
	♥ 11:36pm zzz: that was good headphones track. cool guitars set
	♥ 11:37pm doctorjazz: Don't est breakfast, fast about 14 hours after dinner. Layers! (For real...) (Will fall asleep to Thumbscrew)
	11:39pm Sam Segal: I can't seem to get over guitars. Guitars, folks. They're great!
	♥ 11:39pm coelacanth∅: oh ngh (@1125) i didn't know that -not that i'm surprised though
	11:43pm Dean: Here's a poem I wrote recently. It has important connections to Mitter: https://peralta.instructuremedia.com/embed/2138dc80-6f6b-4ff3-a228-7f00c27e2dee
	11:44pm Dean: Er, Mitterer. Jeebus.
	♥ 11:44pm coelacanth∅: i don't think there's a canned or otherwise packaged soup out there that i wouldn't feel the need to doctor up. my fix for cream of tomato soup is usually fresh cilantro, raw cashews and a few paper-thin slices of raw onion. mm mm good (if you like cilantro)
	11:44pm diskoozgun: Gasparyan 👑
	11:45pm Sam Segal: Thanks for sharing this, Dean. Excited to check it out after the show.
	11:46pm Sam Segal: Yes, diskoozgun! Otherworldly sound.
	11:46pm Dean: Thank you, Sam. I would love to hear all reactions, negative, neutral, positive.
	♥ 11:47pm coelacanth∅: i bought this album ~1990 based on a description on a record store shelf in front of it. upon hearing it -aside from falling in Love with it -i thought, "i will not be sad in this world" must be the saddest music i've ever heard.
	11:47pm diskoozgun: Thank u Sam
	♥ 11:51pm WR: Thank you for the poesy link, Dean. Will read later.
	11:52pm Dean: Thanks for entertaining my output, WR. You won't have to read, because I recite it. But if you want the text, let me know. I'm not a fan of poetry read out loud, but this was an assignment.
	11:57pm northguineahills: sam, you did it again. sees ya next time! (i went a whole show w/o a horse pun, i might finally be out)
	11:58pm Sam Segal: Adios, NGH!
	♥ 12:02am coelacanth∅: pony up ngh, we know you've got another in ya
	♥ 12:02am WR: Thank you, Sam. Read all y'alls laters.
	♥ 12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! 'night y'all
	12:05am northguineahills: @coel: whinny i see you next time
	♥ 12:06am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 11:04am doctorjazz: And did get to hear the whole show today (better in some ways, can pause it when I can't listen, but miss the chat. Have been determined to get 7-8 hours of sleep, which has made the shows that do to midnight difficult). Anyway, thanks, Sam!

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