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Songs and sounds to delight a wide variety of animals. Play this show for your cat, dog, turtle, parrot, fish or any animal you happen to know.

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Favoriting June 24, 2023: Doggy Docs

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Tico on the mend!
Tico on the mend!
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Tico on the mend!

Artist Track Album Label Year Comments Images Approx. start time
High Wolf    A Guide to Healing 7"  Bathetic Records  2011  over Gramma's Dogs Pup Pup and Bowie playing on crazy Grammies homestead in Central New Jersey 
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Tiff Asraf  Hummingbird   Favoriting Glitter, Mud and Crawfish  self-released  2017      0:09:39 (Pop-up)
Marissa Nadler  Seabird   Favoriting The Wrath Of The Clouds  Sacred Bones Records  2022   
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tina and her pony  loon   Favoriting Marigold  self-released  2023   
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yellowbird  Gypsy Moth   Favoriting solace  Self-released  2020  bc 
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padraics joy  sweet blood   Favoriting single  Self-released  2021  bc    0:22:09 (Pop-up)
whisper hiss  Firefly   Favoriting Stars Rock Kill (Rock Stars) v/a  Kill Rock Stars  2021  heaven's to betsy cover bc    0:26:32 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
 

 

quadruplet pups at VEG 

 

 

bed music 

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Thomas Wesley Stern  fish   Favoriting hope folk  self-released  2011   
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Family Fodder  Galapagos   Favoriting Praxis  self-released  2018   
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The Prof.Fuzz 63  White Gladis   Favoriting single  single  2023   
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Hearts Of Animals  Underwater Staggie   Favoriting single          0:53:27 (Pop-up)
Hash  I Am the Walrus   Favoriting 7" EP          0:56:43 (Pop-up)
Ween  Ocean Man   Favoriting The Mollusk          0:59:47 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
 

 

gramma's chickens 

 

 

bed music 

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Frank Black  Song of the Shrimp   Favoriting Honeycomb  Cooking Vinyl  2005   
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Pixies  Catfish Kate   Favoriting beaneath the eyrie  Infectious Music  2019   
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King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard  Blue Morpho   Favoriting Butterfly 3000  Self Released  2021   
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Camper Van Beethoven  Grasshopper   Favoriting el camino real  429 Records  2014      1:24:42 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
 

 

Colin From Durham's adoption story 

 

 

bed music 

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osbourne brothers  Tennesee Hound Dog   Favoriting Doggone Country: All-Time Favorite Country Songs About Dogs          1:41:54 (Pop-up)
Ants on a Log  If I Had a Dog   Favoriting you could draw the album art  Self Released  2015  bc 
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Sloppy Jane  bark like a god   Favoriting WILLOW    2017   
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HAM STEAK  count the dogs   Favoriting blue blue ham 7" ep  Elephi Pelephi  1993      1:49:08 (Pop-up)
Buitraguito  el perro de pavayo   Favoriting           1:51:09 (Pop-up)
Edward Ka-Spel  clara rockmore's dog   Favoriting Melancholics Anonymous    2007   
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Music behind DJ:
 

 

Live interview with Michelle Knapp & Dr. Inbal Futterman 

https://veterinaryemergencygroup.com/locations/clifton-nj/ 

 

Assistant Hospital Manager and Medical Director at Veterinary Emergency Group. 

VEG Staff Clifton, NJ
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Screaming Females  sheep   Favoriting Castle Talk  Don Giovanni Records  2010   
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Opus Kink  Dog Stay Down   Favoriting till the stream runs dry  Nice Swan Records  2022  bc 
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ONETWOTHREE  Give Paw   Favoriting       bc    2:44:22 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
 

 

 

 

 

bed music 

VEG staff
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First Aid Kit  The Lion's Roar   Favoriting The Lion's Roar  Wichita Recordings  2012  bc 
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03am
fred:

I expect a report on Tico's recovery is coming. Did Veterinary Emergency Group do the surgery?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03am
alanSixº:

↳ fred @6:03
for sure fred! and hello!
  6:09am
Panther:

Hi Alan. Great song!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11am
alanSixº:

↳ Panther @6:09
mornin panther!
  6:11am
P-90:

Greetings (and growlings) @Alan
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12am
alanSixº:

↳ P-90 @6:11
Grrrrr
  6:18am
Grandma Kent:

You woke me up
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19am
alanSixº:

↳ Grandma Kent @6:18
your dogs and chickes will be back
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19am
fred:

Shout out to Bagpipe, who is also recovering from surgery
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20am
alanSixº:

↳ fred @6:19
will def shout out bagpipe
  6:21am
Grandma Kent:

I am going to go the coop for a listening party. Feel better Bagpipe!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22am
love2laf:

↳ alanSixº @6:03
Speedy healing for Tico, and to Bagpipe. Erin sends healing mrrrppps and purrs. Good morning alanSix, thanks for filling in, good morning fellow WFMU folk. Hot and steamy here, really loving the new a/c unit we installed a couple of weeks ago, saving my bacon from cooking.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23am
alanSixº:

↳ love2laf @6:22
real muggy in north jersey and good morning!
  6:24am
Listener Robert:

I'm recovering from cardiac ablation, and it's making it very hard to beathe -- lots of asthma I hadn't anditicipated. Therefore can't sleep, having amusing mini-dreams sitting up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25am
alanSixº:

↳ Listener Robert @6:24
awww robert please feel better
  6:25am
Panther:

Alan! I never heard of Marissa Nadler. Thank you!!! Made my day
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27am
alanSixº:

↳ Panther @6:25
oh panther definitely worthy of a deep dive glad you got introduced
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29am
dale:

morning. squeakers had three teeth extracted this week. i give him a painkiller each morning that makes him hunt things that aren't there. good boy....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29am
fred:

↳ Listener Robert @6:24
I went through heart surgery 6 years ago. It's tough at first, but you'll recover. My mistake came later, the pandemic restriction really melted my leg muscles, and I haven't recovered from *that*
  6:30am
Panther:

For sure
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31am
love2laf:

↳ Listener Robert @6:24
Sitting up must help, if you have a wedge pillow, that may ease your body, and get some fitful sleep. Heal well, and quickly.
  6:32am
Grandma Kent:

Awwwww he’s famous chicken
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33am
dale:

↳ Listener Robert @6:24
oh man. don't know where you live but humidity and that smoke situation didn't help, i'm sure. get weller...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36am
fred:

Bagpipe isn't my pet, its Handy's!
  6:37am
Grandma Cara Kent:

😂😂
  6:37am
Andrea C from the app:

Hello Alan and all animal lovers
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Yetz:

Hey Alan, me and the cats (Sonja and Albert) are listening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41am
alanSixº:

↳ Yetz @6:40
hi yetz!
  6:42am
Grandma Cara Kent:

Wooooo TWS
Oh the memories
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42am
alanSixº:

↳ fred @6:36
oh thats right i'll correct sorry handy and kate!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42am
alanSixº:

↳ Yetz @6:40
hi sonja and albert!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45am
Ken From Hyde Park:

Good morning. I've been taking care of Dog Pie for a local cancer patient for a few months. Dog Pie evidently contracted some tick-borne illness and is back with her owner. Healing energies to her and Tico and Bagpipe. 🐶
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47am
alanSixº:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45
aww man ken sending love to dog pie
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Yetz:

↳ Song: "Galapagos" by "Family Fodder"
haven't heard or thought of Family Fodder for years, their song "Dinosaur Sex" is a hoot
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50am
alanSixº:

↳ Yetz @6:48
indeed ! i play them time to time on my show
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50am
alanSixº:

this song's about the orca's knocking over boats
Avatar 6:52am
Yetz:

↳ alanSixº @6:50
overwhelming amount of stuff on Family Fodder bandcamp, familyfodder.bandcamp.com - they've been busy!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52am
alanSixº:

↳ Yetz @6:52
yup!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53am
love2laf:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45
What a very kind thing to do, hope Dog Pie and owner are well on the way to good health and happy to be reunited!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54am
alanSixº:

listeners from england help me out - is a staggie slang for a deer??
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54am
love2laf:

↳ Song: "White Gladis" by "The Prof.Fuzz 63"
Awesome! Prof Fuzz sounding great! Way too early for them to hear. Feels like it needs a footnote. Oh wait, the lyrics do have footnotes! *

prof-fuzz63.bandcamp.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55am
alanSixº:

↳ alanSixº @6:54
thats what i read on the internetty
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Yetz:

↳ alanSixº @6:55
a stag is a male deer, so it makes sense that a staggie would be a little stag. but the dictionary says "staggie" is a colt. hmmm...
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slugluv1313:

greetings, Alan! Everyone!

YAY TICO!!! ❤️❤️

so glad he is doing well -- VEG is freaking awesome (we have one in Hoboken too)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57am
alanSixº:

↳ slugluv1313 @6:57
hi slug! so glad i discovered them
  6:59am
Cooh John:

Good morning AlanSix° and manimals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00am
alanSixº:

↳ Cooh John @6:59
mornin john!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00am
PaulRobeson1923:

Morninggggggggggg
  7:01am
Listener Robert:

eWhew! Afraid I was hearing mice.
  7:02am
Panther:

WEEEEEEEEEEEN!
  7:12am
Crei6hton:

Morning WFMU
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:14am
alanSixº:

↳ Crei6hton @7:12
mornin creig6ton!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17am
love2laf:

↳ Song: "Song of the Shrimp" by "Frank Black"
Oh this is good!
Avatar 7:21am
dday:

Doe Mama & her two fawns have started visiting my back yard.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:22am
alanSixº:

↳ dday @7:21
what a treat dday and welcome
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dday:

↳ alanSixº @7:22
Morning Alan.

They come, along with a raccoon that's been coming onto my deck when he smells me cooking.

I don't "feed" any of them but the veg waste on my compost pile keeps them happy :)
  7:27am
Fred and Alan:

↳ alanSixº @6:03
Good Morning AlanSix Fred and Alan Hows Tico
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:27am
love2laf:

↳ dday @7:21
How nice is that. We had a deer couple cruise through a few days in a row, which Erin the kitteh freaked out about wildly at first, and gradually just growled the last time. First deer in 6 or 7 years. The buck is highly reactive and poised to charge if he sees movement in the house.
  7:27am
Fred and Alan:

↳ love2laf @6:22
Good Morning Love3laf Fred and Alan
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:28am
love2laf:

↳ Fred and Alan @7:27
Good morning Fred & Alan, hope you're both well this morning. Wishing you an easy weekend of work not being full of human animals. Much love to you both.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:29am
Strandlund:

Good Morning Alan, Tico and everyone tuned in...
  7:30am
Fred and Alan:

↳ Strandlund @7:29
Hello Strandlund Fred and Alan
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:30am
Strandlund:

Good Morning Fred and Alan...There are no bad animals here!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:31am
Ken From Hyde Park:

Good morning, Fred and Alan. Enjoyed your visit with Pseu the other day.
  7:31am
Fred and Alan:

↳ Strandlund @7:30
We see all the 2 legged bad animals allday
  7:32am
Fred and Alan:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:31
Thanks Ken so much Fred and Alan
  7:32am
Cooh John:

My rescue beagle mix nickname was floppy-eared flumox.
Avatar 7:33am
MaxyWaxy:

It's a good morning for Tico! Took another nice, healthy 💩 and gobbled up all his breakfast with you're grilled fish on top. Now we're all going to get back in bed for a cuddle puddle second sleep to listen to your show!
  7:35am
Dax.:

This story is amazing!!!! Go Eddy!!!!
Avatar 7:36am
Yetz:

Way to go Colin!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:36am
luka:

gm animals
  7:37am
Dax.:

Best story ever, Colin!!!👍🏻💜
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:37am
Strandlund:

Colin...you are a Saint!!
Avatar 7:37am
dday:

↳ love2laf @7:27
I live in the woods in PA so it's been wild kingdom for me since 1995
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:37am
love2laf:

What an awesome story, thank you for sharing Colin!

@MaxyWavy wonderful news about Tico, I'm sure AlanSix will be happy to read it.

Also Erin talk when she gets the zoomies starting "Monkey, do you have beans in your bum?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:39am
love2laf:

↳ dday @7:37
Wilds of Ontario, Canada, next to Algonquin Park since 2010. Always fun to watch the wild animals.
Avatar 7:39am
dday:

For discussion:

Your best animal friend is dying of natural causes. Would you put him/her down or stay with them and allow them to die naturally while comforting them?
Avatar 7:41am
dday:

↳ love2laf @7:39
Moose, Elk? That's some lovely country
  7:42am
Grandma Cara Kent:

Colin story made me cry
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:42am
alanSixº:

hey folks i have a lot of cueing up to do so i cant chat but very much appreciate you being here and enjoy each other's company!
Avatar 7:43am
HyperDose:

Yay animals!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:45am
alanSixº:

↳ Grandma Cara Kent @7:42
let it out gramma
Avatar 7:48am
Yetz:

↳ alanSixº @7:42
do your DJ job and let the peanut gallery take care of itself! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:49am
love2laf:

↳ dday @7:41
Moose in the area, have only seen one once on the property. Deer & moose have separate territories.
Avatar 7:49am
dday:

↳ love2laf @7:49
Yep. That's why I asked
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:52am
love2laf:

↳ dday @7:49
My fave right now is watching a pair of phoebes who have a nest in our wood shed, they're simply tireless with swooping and feasting on insects. Way too much bird poop on the windows, but I feel it's better than insect swipes on the inside of the house!
  7:52am
Dax.:

Wow,that song was so good-I thought it was Patti Smith!! I LOVE this Show!!! I have 1 indoor cat, who is “the sweetheart of the rodeo”,even tho she’s not a 60’s music fan and prefers classical and 80’s,… LOVE THIS SHOw🤠
Avatar 7:55am
dday:

↳ love2laf @7:52
Fun to watch. When we had our family farm in NWNJ, the barn swallows used to spend all day swooping in & out of the big tractor barn.

Miss the farm. Hard work but very satisfying .
NJ sweet corn & vegetables
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:57am
Baja Joe:

Good morning Alan. Great tunes and sounds this morning.
  8:01am
Dax.:

@dday- I would ask the animal what it wants..I prefer my animals to die of natural causes and comfortable….. but once I had a beloved cat I put thru lots of stupid vet treatments, and she didn’t look happy about it.. I spent thousands on torturing my best friend,just trying to get 6 months more Love.. I wish I didn’t, and could have gone thru the whole thing with her naturally…so now,I will ask my pet what THEY want and go thru it with them.. the animals let you know.. I had an 18 year old dog once look at me and tell me it was okay to take that Final shot , and it was heartbreaking but better - because I asked The Animal What It Wanted
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:01am
Ken From Hyde Park:

Coming through loud and clear, vets.
  8:02am
Dax.:

But my best pal now,a cat named Pip-and me plan on going out like Thelma and Louise in a rented convertible-or get beamed up to the next level by spaceship
  8:04am
Grandma Cara Kent:

Please ask her what she thinks the best brands of pet food are - it’s the most impossible question to answer for yourself
  8:04am
Fred and Alan:

↳ HyperDose @7:43
Good morning Hyperdose Fred and Alan
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MaxyWaxy:

↳ love2laf @7:37
Hahaha he heard you say booshy booshy baby boy and lifted his head. Hahaha he is so in love with you.
  8:05am
Fred and Alan:

↳ Baja Joe @7:57
Good morning Baja Joe Fred and Alan
  8:05am
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

Alan, thanks for filling in for Jim the Poet and Amanda. Hope Tiko recovers fully.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:07am
Baja Joe:

Wishing Tico all the best. Sounds like he's on the way to a full recovery, thanks to the terrific care you provide him. VEG sounds like a special place.
  8:09am
Dax.:

What is this “veg “ website?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:09am
Baja Joe:

VEG, come to SINY! Lots of pets here on the forgotten borough.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:11am
Strandlund:

↳ Dax. @8:01
I agree with you. We've had to let 7 of kitties go. They do tell you when the time has come. As each day passes, we don't know the level of pain they may be suffering from. It's the hardest thing to do...but it really is the best for them. I feel as if I'm being selfish for making them live in pain just so that I feel better...I love all of our cats and would never do anything I thought was not good for them.
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MaxyWaxy:

↳ Dax. @8:09
veterinaryemergencygroup.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:15am
Ken From Hyde Park:

Sounds like it's important to have pet health insurance, right? If no insurance and your pet needs surgery that could cost thousands, you'd hate to be without a way to pay for it.
Avatar 8:20am
HyperDose:

"cult is short for culture" oooh good one, mister Alan
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HyperDose:

↳ Fred and Alan @8:04
Good morning! 🌞
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:22am
dave wuz here:

↳ dday @7:39
when our mutt "pearl" was on her way out we had a visiting vet put her down at home in my lap which was the lowest stress for all parties. she had a good run. no regrets.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:22am
alanSixº:

google veg cares
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:23am
Strandlund:

"Care Credit" is a godsend when it comes to pet emergencies. We've used it many times. I believe if the bill is over $250, there is no interest for 6 months which help a lot!!
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MaxyWaxy:

Most memorable pet name
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:24am
love2laf:

What is your fave recovery story?
Avatar 8:26am
dday:

Dax, Dave & Strandlund. All interesting takes on a difficult situation.

I've dealt with several animals passing & it seems each circumstance dictated different things.

From a final shot, to laying on the floor with them while they passed to finding an old dog who was let out to go to the bathroom who walked a half block away curled up under a shady tree and had it's final sleep.

All interesting takes, no right or wrong way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:28am
love2laf:

Oh that is wonderful, full on happy cry, thank you for what you do.
Avatar 8:31am
MaxyWaxy:

Do pets usually look like their pets as much as Tico and Alan do? LoL
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HyperDose:

Royal Canin, Natural Balance, Weruva, and Hill's Science Diet are all great brands of pet food
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MaxyWaxy:

↳ MaxyWaxy @8:31
Owners... do pets look like their owners
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dday:

↳ Grandma Cara Kent @8:04
I would suggest watching this documentary "Petfooled"
tubitv.com...
  8:33am
Listener Robert:

The most interesting and sweet practice I ever saw at a vet's was one in Michigan who kept a cat in the waiting room as a greeter. He came over not only to all the people in the waiting room but also to their animals. Like to assure the animals that they were in a good place, among friends. And he was also their source for blood donations!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:33am
luka:

great segment
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MaxyWaxy:

Great interview! Thank you VEG for everything you do!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:35am
Strandlund:

↳ Listener Robert @8:33
That's fantastic!!
  8:35am
Grandma Cara Kent:

Good interview Alan !
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:36am
Strandlund:

↳ Song: "Assistant Hospital Manager and Medical Director a...
Thank you for everything you do. You are wonderful!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:36am
love2laf:

↳ Song: "Assistant Hospital Manager and Medical Director a...
Thank you for this, what a great conversation, really enjoyed this. Thank you VEG and thank you Alan!
  8:37am
Jackson Pines:

What an awesome interview. Loved it. Go Tico. You are invincible !
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:37am
2/3 of the Perrin Family:

wow! Good morning and thank you! Great interview, great show, great folks and work. Speedy and complete healing Tico!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:39am
LastWhiteRhino:

@Alan: Great interview, highly informative. Having met Tico a few Sundays ago, I am a huge fan of Tico, He's the Best and you're not so bad yourself. Speedy Recovery T !
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:40am
alanSixº:

thanx everyone for being here and listening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:40am
StringOFperils:

Good morning Alan6*, Tico, and all species under the Sun!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:43am
alanSixº:

↳ LastWhiteRhino @8:39
hey LWR
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:44am
alanSixº:

↳ StringOFperils @8:40
mornin!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:52am
Ken From Hyde Park:

I guess another takeaway is to try to keep the area clear of things that if swallowed will cause problems.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:52am
love2laf:

I would think that some of the many reasons to have owners there would be that your pet might be aware that you are there. And in the worst case scenario, be there for them at the end, or to make the call that the surgery is too extreme and make the call.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:54am
alanSixº:

thanks everyone for hanging out!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:54am
luka:

↳ Song: "The Lion's Roar" by "First Aid Kit"
love this band, think they have a newish album i’ve completely spaced on
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:56am
love2laf:

What a great fill in show Alan, thank you, I'm sure you'd much rather be home with Tico! And thank you MaxyWavy for looking after Tico. Hope everyone has a great weekend, I'm going to give Erin extra smooshes for the good of her health and mine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:58am
coelacanth∅:

hi Alan & Tico!
just home from work, been here the past 1/2 hour

Thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:02pm
prof.fuzz:

↳ love2laf @6:54
just now* seeing this now on the archive.

* now is a relative concept. perhaps, "after the fact" is more accurate?
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