WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from July 12, 2023

Listener comments!
	6:56pm Jill B.: Goof Evening Gary!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Gary and all!
	7:00pm Gary: Hi, Mom! Hi, James!
	🇰🇷 7:00pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Heyo! Gotta make dinner between work/estate/other stuff calls. Looking forward to the set!
	7:00pm peter: hey there Gary & all!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Threemoons! Hi, Peter!
	7:01pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Pot8o!
	7:01pm emily_w: Here on time for once!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Emily!
	🇰🇷 7:03pm Listener Gregory: Good evening, Gary and the Hot Bods! I also got My Life in the Bush of Ghosts when it was first released, but, sadly, not "as a kid."
	7:03pm TDK60: Hi Gary.
	7:03pm pot8o: anyone have some good recommendations for jordanian stuff? looked through habibi funk's discography (and a few other labels similar to it) and no dice
	7:06pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:03 Gregory! When I say "kid," I mean under 20 -- I think I was 18 or 19 when I bought the album, haha
	7:06pm Gary: TDK60 and Gregory, Hi!
	7:07pm TDK60: A friend came over enthusiastically with the new "Bush" LP to turn me onto it. He also brought a hallucinogen. Yeah.
	7:07pm tim abdellah: Heya Gary and friends!
	7:08pm Gary: Hi, Tim!
	7:09pm tim abdellah: I got Bush of Ghosts as a "kid" too!
	🇰🇷 7:11pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:06 Yeah... I was not, though.
	7:13pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	🇰🇷 7:14pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Boat Woman Song" by "Technical Space Composer's C... Sorry, I missed who these boat women are. They are knocking it dead.
	7:15pm Gary: Hi, Chresti!
	7:17pm slugluv1313: hiya Gary! Everyone! listening while i finish up with the EVIL LAUNDRY unfortunately missed your intro! but, i got My Life in the Bush of Ghosts when it was released -- my last year in college, so i was a kid too, sort of :)
	7:18pm Gary: Hi, Slugluv1313!
	🇰🇷 7:18pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Jill B. @6:56 Jill, you and I can sit in the senior citizens section. I hope we get a discount!
	7:19pm coelacanth∅: good evening Gary and all
	7:21pm Gary: Hi, Coelacanth!
	7:24pm emily_w: Such a good song
	7:25pm Gary: Emily, I trust you have not only heard the song before, but seen the scene it is picturized on ... and quite likely the whole movie as well
	7:26pm emily_w: I haven't seen the movie yet!! But yes I have seen the picturization, haha!
	7:27pm emily_w: Helen forever
	7:27pm Gary: I've noticed that Shemaroo & others have taken down scenes that used to be available on YouTube w/out question -- now, you never know if it's still there. YES! Do you have, by the way, the Helen book? I gotta go see if I can find it to give you the title, if not
	7:28pm emily_w: I haven't read it yet but they have it at my library! Thanks for reminding me about it because I've been meaning to get to it for ages...
	7:30pm Gary: I'm afraid because I just checked and it's not on the shelf where it should be. :( ... I read it a long time ago and only remember the part about Helen and her mother's long journey from Burma to India as refugees
	🇰🇷 7:30pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Wah Wah" by "Barney Wilen" Is this Barney Wilen, the French saxophonist??? (If I remember correctly.)
	7:30pm Dean: Was 21 when I acquired MLITBOG. Not a (wo)man, not a child.
	7:31pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:30 Yes!
	🇰🇷 7:31pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:31 Crazy. Most famous here for one album with Miles Davis.
	7:34pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:31 Oh, i didn't know that -- what Miles album was he on?
	🇰🇷 7:36pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:31 French soundtrack for Ascenseur pour 'échafaud. Apparently doing this soundtrack gave Miles the idea for the much freer approach that he took with his "Second Quintet." Don't get me started on this, people! en.wikipedia.org...
	7:47pm TDK60: Pretty groovy to have a show with suggestions from other DJs.
	7:48pm Gary: ↳ TDK60 @7:47 Great for me, especially, because I get to hear a lotta new-to-me stuff
	🇰🇷 7:59pm WR: hi Gary and Bodegans.
	7:59pm Gary: Hi, WR!
	8:01pm peter: hey i know this backing tune ;)
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo !
	8:05pm coelacanth∅: well - if you decide that the decade begins on the first day of 1080, then that's when it begins. (for that matter, if you decide it begins on june 21, 1984, then THAT is when it begins)
	8:06pm emily_w: You've definitely seen more than me, Gary! I've watched about 300 Indian films since I started keeping track.
	8:06pm coelacanth∅: (1980, that is...not 1080... although that applies too)
	8:09pm emily_w: Definitely agree that that's one of the greatest Lata songs too!
	8:09pm TDK60: Jon Hassell, always a pleasure. I usually turn up the volume when he's on. Still sounds futuristic often.
	8:11pm Dean: Now I get it. MLITBOG is ground zero for post-exotica cultural appropriation...? MLITBOG is just about the only music by either Eno or Byrne I can tolerate. On the other hand, I can listen to Hassell anytime. (Even this Eno-related thing.) What are the parameters for exotica? I've been playing recorder duets with a teacher (she's now playing flute, too), and we recently had fun with Henry Cowell's "Pelog." Seems like appropriation to me.
	8:11pm Gary: ↳ TDK60 @8:09 I gotta say, Evan was on the nose to suggest this particular LP
	🇰🇷 8:12pm Listener Gregory: Gary, I am sure that the conversation on Twitter will be sophisticated and nuanced, as well as being sympathetic to everyone's views.
	8:12pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:11 Man, see, that's a question with a bottomless answer, Dean!
	8:12pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:12 Definitely now that that guy that builds the flaming cars and complains about work-from-home is managing it!
	8:14pm Dean: Well, Cowell died in late '65, and Denny was doing his thing from the late '50s. It's likely Cowell was not "post-" the arrival of the genre in popular culture.
	8:19pm Dean: Anybody suggest Rema-Rema, "Wheel In the Roses"? Seems apt.
	8:20pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:19 No, I don't know what that is!
	8:21pm zzz: hey @Gary and all, enticing show summary. enjoying the african head charge and byrne/eno so far
	8:21pm Gary: ZZZ!
	8:21pm tim abdellah: ↳ Song: "Qu'ran" by "Brian Eno & David Byrne" This track sparks heated debates still
	8:22pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @8:21 Yes! That's why I had to play it specifically -- also because it was removed from subsequent editions
	8:23pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @8:21 which is a shame, as it's the best track on the album mea culpa is a very close second
	8:23pm tim abdellah: ↳ pot8o @8:23 As a Muslim, I'm glad they removed the track.
	8:24pm Gary: ↳ Song: "Qurbani קורבני" by "Jacky McKayten ג'קי מקייטן" Emily, do you recognize this one?
	🇰🇷 8:25pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @8:23 It does seem wise.
	8:25pm Dean: Oh, dear. Do explore. https://www.discogs.com/master/17533-Rema-Rema-Wheel-In-The-Roses
	8:26pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @8:23 that's fair i wish they had gone somewhere in the middle and removed the qu'ran sample
	8:27pm emily_w: ↳ Gary @8:24 It sounds so familiar but I can't quite place it!!
	8:27pm Gary: ↳ pot8o @8:26 That would have been a good compromise, Pot8o
	8:29pm emily_w: Ah of course it's from Qurbani, another one I've been meaning to watch, especially since Zeenat Aman was recently talking about it on her Instagram (she's the best)
	8:29pm tim abdellah: I had some belly dancer friends who once performed a routine to a track from a Turkish music compilation called "The Holy Qur'an". It was pointed out to them that the use of that particular track would not be considered appropriate, so the stopped using it 😅
	8:30pm Gary: Zeenat Aman is on Instagraom?!?
	🇰🇷 8:30pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Egypt Strut" by "The Sun Ra Arkestra" Before we accuse Sun Ra of appropriation, I would like to note that I believe he helped to build the pyramids before his 20th-century manifestation.
	8:30pm emily_w: Gary, yes!!! She is the best person on there pretty much. Just joined earlier this year and posts amazing reflections on her life and career.
	8:30pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:30 This is collaboration, Dean!
	8:31pm emily_w: www.instagram.com...
	8:31pm Dean: I have never been a First Amendment absolutist, largely because I read the amendment as a symptom of Founding Father passive aggression. But I can't quite understand why David Byrne and Brian Eno (or, for that matter, Two Live Crew) need to restrict--even only to the point of compromise--offensiveness of their work. But then I'm a fan of cultural appropriation.
	🇰🇷 8:31pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @8:30 Dean and I are collaborating on our comments. You really have no idea which of us is saying what.
	8:32pm Gary: ↳ emily_w @8:31 Oh My Word! She's even more beautiful than I remembered, haha
	8:33pm emily_w: ↳ Gary @8:32 Yes, so stunning!
	🇰🇷 8:34pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @8:31 I don't know about "need to" restrict their work, but they may not have realized in 1981 just what offense might be taken, or perhaps not wanted that to interfere with the rest of their work.
	8:36pm Dean: You're right, LG. But not realizing the risk of offense and not wanting to invite inconvenience are two very different factors.
	8:37pm tim abdellah: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:34 It's my understanding that they didn't realize that setting the Qur'an recitation with musical sounds would be considered offensive, and once they understood that they chose to withdraw the track.
	8:37pm Dean: Anyway, offense is awesome! I can't count how many times a day I'm offended (and held back and silenced) by something or other. I don't enjoy it, but at least it means I'm sentient. Offense comes with the territory.
	8:38pm coelacanth∅: regarding Hassell's problem with my life in the bush of ghosts, (i got a call just as about to post >20 minutes ago) what i read was Hassell thought it was very commercial, and "pop" sounding...which, relatively, it was - even if a huge jump at the time for most mainstream music listeners. in any case he and Eno came to a peace and Hassell softened his views considerably.
	8:38pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @8:37 That sounds right, Tim, though I don't know the story, myself, or at what point it was decided
	8:39pm pot8o: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:34 plus iirc a council of british imams came out & released a statement against it, which is what caused eno & byrne to remove it
	8:39pm Dean: That, coelacanth∅:, seems entirely plausible.
	8:39pm TDK60: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:38 Odd, coel. I didn't think it commercial. But I'm probably elsewhere on the human sound spectrum from Mr. Hassell.
	🇰🇷 8:39pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @8:37 That's what I imagined, though I had no idea. It may be hard to remember how little Americans knew about Islam in those days. (I realize Eno is English; I can't speak to that.)
	8:40pm Dean: So I guess Salman Rushdie, whom I've never read and don't particularly care to read, should have withdrawn his book?
	8:41pm Dean: (Look at what you've gotten into, Gary.)
	8:42pm peter: ↳ Song: "Ethnicolor" by "Jean-Michel Jarre" speaking of Jarres and cross-cultural collaboration/appropriation, i always thought Maurice's soundtrack to The Year of Living Dangerously (with its Indonesian influence) was very good
	🇰🇷 8:42pm Listener Gregory: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:38 The album may have been "pop" in some sense, but it only reached #44 on the Billboard charts in the US (Wiki). But it made it all the way to #8 in New Zealand! Yeah, Kiwis!
	8:43pm Gary: ↳ peter @8:42 Oh, I need to hear that!
	8:44pm coelacanth∅: ↳ TDK60 @8:39 yeah no it really wasn't, but for Hassell i guess it was, having "pop" things like hooks and riffs and catchy rhythms
	8:44pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:40 Well, that's different because he was being provocative but also is from the culture itself -- not saying one way or another whether he should have withdrawn the book, but that the dynamics are significantly different
	8:45pm tim abdellah: ↳ Dean @8:40 I've also never read Rushdie, but I understand that The Satanic Verses draws deeply and intentionally on some points in Islamic and Qur'anic history. Byrne and Eno seem to have stumbled into the controversy.
	8:50pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "Zoo Zulu" by "Finis Africae" This sounds influenced by Byrne & Eno. Maybe. A few years later.
	🇰🇷 8:51pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Zoo Zulu" by "Finis Africae" Hmmm. Not feeling this. It sounds like a random incorporation.
	8:52pm Gary: ↳ Song: "Hawa Hawai" by "Kavita Krishnamurthy & Chorus \| L... This track is related to the film still at the top of the playlist page
	8:54pm Gary: ↳ Gary @8:52 Much (but not all) of the lyrics are made-up language
	8:54pm Dean: I'm sorry, but I can't discern a difference. The "culture" has utterly porous boundaries, is ultimately impossible to delineate, never mind that indicia of intention are extremely difficult to specify. Now, if we want to deploy a regime whose job is to delineate the boundaries, establish intentions, and enforce violations, then that will take some very hard work.
	8:54pm Gary: ↳ Gary @8:54 Especially the opening
	8:55pm emily_w: LOVE THIS SONG
	8:56pm Doug Schulkind: L-P. What a team!
	8:57pm Gary: Hi, Doug!
	🇰🇷 9:10pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Caravan" by "Haruomi Hosono" !!! I just heard the Duke Ellington original of this tune. Never thought of the exoticism angle: Puerto Rican and Black writers, with lyrics by their Jewish American manager, on an Arabian theme.
	9:18pm emily_w: Anil Kapoor!
	9:19pm Listener Gregory: The men in the picture look like Little Richard imitators to me. Which they almost certainly are not.
	9:20pm emily_w: And the woman is Sridevi, she wasn't in softcore tho (maybe you're thinking of Silk Smitha?). Love Sridevi forever, she died so young and it makes me so sad.
	9:20pm emily_w: And yeah he was in Slumdog Millionaire haha
	9:22pm Dean: Jean-Michel Jarre had earlier releases. His pop was Maurice.
	9:23pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:19 maybe not directly
	9:25pm Dean: Than Oxygène, I mean.
	9:26pm emily_w: Sridevi did do a lot of sexy dance numbers for sure, but not softcore movies!
	9:29pm Gary: ↳ emily_w @9:26 My sincere apologies to Sridevi for misinformationin' her like that
	9:36pm coelacanth∅: so, if people, in their desire to feel righteous, call something like Jon Hassell, or Paul Simon, or Peter Gabriel, etc etc "cultural appropriation", shouldn't they also be accusing all rappers, all rock bands from africa, all arabic and african music that has piano or violin in it... Fela, Najma, Ceatano Veloso, Haruomi Hosono, Tracy Chapman . . . .?
	9:38pm Dean: I don't know for sure, but I believe Bryn Jones was not Muslim.
	9:39pm Gary: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:36 I don't think there is any escaping the permeability of music, is the argument here, but there are then, of course, instances and consequences of certain instances
	🇰🇷 9:40pm Listener Gregory: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:23 God only knows what is going on there.
	9:41pm emily_w: Gotta head out, thanks for a great show Gary!!
	9:44pm Gary: Always super-thrill to see you, Emily!
	9:45pm Gary: Hey Kids! Stick around after this program for the always-already thrill-tastic Sam Segal and If You Lose Your Horse! Tonight's episode: "There Are Still Horses and Goats, to Mention Only Them" wfmu.org...
	9:47pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "Khyber Sound (From Kabul To Peshawar In Fullmoon)... This sounds similar to Savage Republic or maybe Swans.
	9:48pm Dean: Those "instances and consequences" are at most marginally promoted by artistic appropriations. And I believe that prohibiting artistic efforts will accrue benefits to governing authorities to the point that the costs will far outweigh the benefits. Is Qu'ran" offensive because it exists? It's aired frequently on radio? Somebody uses it intentionally to offend believers?
	9:49pm TDK60: Thanks, Gary, and Drummer Radio suggesters!
	9:49pm tim abdellah: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:36 Musicians always appropriate, grab influences, licks, whole songs from elsewhere and others. Still, unequal power relations are often at play and may be worth considering when analyzing a musical borrowing.
	9:50pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 Yes, thank you, Tim
	9:51pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Khyber Sound (From Kabul To Peshawar In Fullmoon)... your whole show has been absolutely fascinating, but this is exceptionally beautiful -- thanks so much!
	🇰🇷 9:54pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @9:48 Dean, you talk about prohibiting artistic effort and establishing regimes, but I haven't heard anyone here suggest such things. People have the freedom to be offensive and also to avoid saying or doing something because it will cause offense. Arguing over whether the latter is appropriate is just part of the free speech deal. I am permitted to say all kinds of things, but I don't, and I probably should say less than I do. It's worth discussing whether X is worth the offense or is even offensive at all or creates a problem, etc., etc. Otherwise, we would have very little to talk about! Nonetheless, I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.
	🇰🇷 9:55pm WR: Thank you! Gary!
	9:56pm Dean: Unequal power relations are always at play and are always worth considering. Why is that a question? But do Byrne/Eno have excessive "power" in this respect? No. They're two piddling players in a huge musical "ecosystem" (a metaphor I don't especially appreciate). If they want to crib from the Koran, who cares? (Answer: some folks, but mostly nobody.)
	9:56pm pot8o: thanks gary! have a great week everyone!
	🇰🇷 9:56pm Listener Gregory: I have just realized that when people type, "Thank you, Gary!" I can pretend that they have simply mis-typed "Thank you, Gregory!" Nice.
	9:57pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 i do appreciate that consideration, in general. i also think it has no place in art, which has no political boundary. if someone creates their own something -aural or visual decoration to get around paying someone for an authentic something, then Fuck them... but being influenced by music and incorporating it into your own is not "appropriation". it's life. it's art and it's Love. it's tribute. and it's evolution. and most of the music that's been called the "victim" has "culturally appropriated" from something before it.
	🇰🇷 9:57pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @9:56 Fortunately, they had the choice of putting in the clip and then had the choice of taking it out. So far as has been reported, no one made them do either.
	9:58pm tim abdellah: ↳ Dean @9:48 For me personally, I find beautiful the way that Islamic tradition has set apart Qur'an recitation from music. It recognizes the enchanting power that melody and rhythm can wield, and it attempts to set the audition of the word of God as a sonic experience separate from human musical activity. A Qur'an reciter who is praised for having a beautiful voice has failed as their job as a reciter, because the experience should be about the MESSAGE not the messenger (reciter). I don't think anyone should be censored for setting the qur'an to music, but I think the deep tradition and thought behind the Islamic tradition of Qur'an recitation is worth understanding and considering.
	🇰🇷 9:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	9:58pm slugluv1313: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 so true -- like with food, there is always so much overlap . . . when i was studying North African/Middle Eastern dance, one thing i learned is that as long as you approach with respect, learning from another culture need not be this bad thing . . . there were articles about "why are white women stealing 'belly dance'" etc. . . . on the other hand, my Capoeira instructor's Dad had huge classes in Sweden (iirc) . . . and not to mention all the non-Japanese people who train in Karate!
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: ...blues artists didn't create the blues; rappers didn't create rap, etc.
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Gregory! Whoops, I mean Gary! Great idea for a show, and it produced some great music. I honestly think that all of us should be canceled for listening to this show. Then we can form our own Twitter-replacement app that will be moderated by Dean.
	9:59pm Dean: tim @9:58, I can't agree more emphatically.
	10:00pm Gary: Night, everyone!
	10:00pm tim abdellah: Thanks Gary for the grooves and all for the conversation - appreciate you all!
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tim abdellah @9:58 this probably is little justification for you, but i'd bet that track opened a lot of people up to exactly what you're saying. i personally would, in consideration of what you say here, like to see the track included but with a note about it, maybe including an apology... but this is going back in time.
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from July 12, 2023

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July 12, 2023: In His One Languages
Post-exotica cultural appropriation, collaboration, provocation, hybridization, disorientation, and pure imagination, from Bollywood's amorphized manifestations of "other" to contemporary art projects redefining identity in a world of infinite availability

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This show relies heavily on suggestions from Drummer Stream compadres Robert Brainen, David Mittleman, Charlie Lewis, Jeff Golick, Philip Levy (Stork), Evan Crankshaw (Flashstrap), Stream Master Doug Schulkind, David Weinstein, and Tony Coulter

Artist	Track	Album	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Introduction "Introduction" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2023		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Technical Space Composer's Crew	Boat Woman Song	Holger Czukay & Rolf Dammers	1969		0:04:50 (Pop-up)
Lata Mangeshkar \| Laxmikant-Pyaralal	Aa Jaane Jaan	Inteqam OST	1969		0:22:23 (Pop-up)
Barney Wilen	Wah Wah "Wah Wah" by "Barney Wilen"	Moshi Too	2013	Recorded 1969-70, previously unreleased	0:29:08 (Pop-up)
Malagasy et Jef Gilson	Malagasy "Malagasy" by "Malagasy et Jef Gilson"	Malagasy	1972		0:36:07 (Pop-up)
Aktuala	Mud "Mud" by "Aktuala"	La Terra	1974		0:43:11 (Pop-up)
General Strike	Parts of My Body "Parts of My Body" by "General Strike"	Danger in Paradise	1979		0:51:05 (Pop-up)
Futuro Antico	Track 3 "Track 3" by "Futuro Antico"	Isole Del Suono	1980		0:53:56 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Emerson Kitamura	The Countryside Is Great	The Countryside Is Great	2018		1:00:42 (Pop-up)
Jon Hassell	Data Bintung at Jelong	Dream Theory In Malaya (Fourth World Volume Two)	1981		1:09:26 (Pop-up)
African Head Charge	Stebeni's Theme	My Life in a Hole in the Ground	1981		1:17:05 (Pop-up)
Brian Eno & David Byrne	Qu'ran "Qu'ran" by "Brian Eno & David Byrne"	My Life in the Bush of Ghosts	1981		1:20:24 (Pop-up)
Jacky McKayten ג'קי מקייטן	Qurbani קורבני	The Black Magic הקסם השחור	1982		1:23:58 (Pop-up)
The Sun Ra Arkestra	Egypt Strut "Egypt Strut" by "The Sun Ra Arkestra"	In Egypt	1983		1:28:23 (Pop-up)
Jean-Michel Jarre	Ethnicolor "Ethnicolor" by "Jean-Michel Jarre"	Zoolook	1984		1:34:57 (Pop-up)
Finis Africae	Zoo Zulu "Zoo Zulu" by "Finis Africae"	Finis Africae	1985		1:46:26 (Pop-up)
Kavita Krishnamurthy & Chorus \| Laxmikant-Pyarelal	Hawa Hawai	Mr. India OST	1986		1:51:20 (Pop-up)
Nirodh Fortini, Walter Maioli, Fred Gales, Raffaele Serra, John Zandijk, Edward Luyken	Side B (Excerpt)	Ethnoelectronics	1986		1:58:14 (Pop-up)
Hector Zazou	La Poursuite "La Poursuite" by "Hector Zazou"	Reivax au Bongo	1986		2:00:08 (Pop-up)
Roberto Musci & Giovanni Venosta	Tamatave	Urban and Tribal Portraits	1988		2:02:34 (Pop-up)
Haruomi Hosono	Caravan "Caravan" by "Haruomi Hosono"	Omni Sight Seeing	1989		2:06:57 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Emerson Kitamura	Lam Phloen Salab Khonsawan Bassline	The Countryside Is Great	2018		2:10:52 (Pop-up)
Paolo Modugno	Visioni di Pietra "Visioni di Pietra" by "Paolo Modugno"	La Bala et la Mouche	1994		2:25:39 (Pop-up)
Muslimgauze	Turn on Arabic American Radio	Turn on Arabic American Radio	2022	Recorded in the late 80s or 1990s	2:32:36 (Pop-up)
Naujawanan Baidar	Khyber Sound (From Kabul To Peshawar In Fullmoon)	Naujawanan Baidar	2018		2:42:59 (Pop-up)
Antropoloops	Ronda en la noche del exilio	Mix Nostrum	2019		2:48:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Peslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Peslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!	2000		2:57:09 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:56pm Jill B.: Goof Evening Gary!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Gary and all!
	7:00pm Gary: Hi, Mom! Hi, James!
	🇰🇷 7:00pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Heyo! Gotta make dinner between work/estate/other stuff calls. Looking forward to the set!
	7:00pm peter: hey there Gary & all!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Threemoons! Hi, Peter!
	7:01pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Pot8o!
	7:01pm emily_w: Here on time for once!
	7:01pm Gary: Hi, Emily!
	🇰🇷 7:03pm Listener Gregory: Good evening, Gary and the Hot Bods! I also got My Life in the Bush of Ghosts when it was first released, but, sadly, not "as a kid."
	7:03pm TDK60: Hi Gary.
	7:03pm pot8o: anyone have some good recommendations for jordanian stuff? looked through habibi funk's discography (and a few other labels similar to it) and no dice
	7:06pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:03 Gregory! When I say "kid," I mean under 20 -- I think I was 18 or 19 when I bought the album, haha
	7:06pm Gary: TDK60 and Gregory, Hi!
	7:07pm TDK60: A friend came over enthusiastically with the new "Bush" LP to turn me onto it. He also brought a hallucinogen. Yeah.
	7:07pm tim abdellah: Heya Gary and friends!
	7:08pm Gary: Hi, Tim!
	7:09pm tim abdellah: I got Bush of Ghosts as a "kid" too!
	🇰🇷 7:11pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:06 Yeah... I was not, though.
	7:13pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	🇰🇷 7:14pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Boat Woman Song" by "Technical Space Composer's C... Sorry, I missed who these boat women are. They are knocking it dead.
	7:15pm Gary: Hi, Chresti!
	7:17pm slugluv1313: hiya Gary! Everyone! listening while i finish up with the EVIL LAUNDRY unfortunately missed your intro! but, i got My Life in the Bush of Ghosts when it was released -- my last year in college, so i was a kid too, sort of :)
	7:18pm Gary: Hi, Slugluv1313!
	🇰🇷 7:18pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Jill B. @6:56 Jill, you and I can sit in the senior citizens section. I hope we get a discount!
	7:19pm coelacanth∅: good evening Gary and all
	7:21pm Gary: Hi, Coelacanth!
	7:24pm emily_w: Such a good song
	7:25pm Gary: Emily, I trust you have not only heard the song before, but seen the scene it is picturized on ... and quite likely the whole movie as well
	7:26pm emily_w: I haven't seen the movie yet!! But yes I have seen the picturization, haha!
	7:27pm emily_w: Helen forever
	7:27pm Gary: I've noticed that Shemaroo & others have taken down scenes that used to be available on YouTube w/out question -- now, you never know if it's still there. YES! Do you have, by the way, the Helen book? I gotta go see if I can find it to give you the title, if not
	7:28pm emily_w: I haven't read it yet but they have it at my library! Thanks for reminding me about it because I've been meaning to get to it for ages...
	7:30pm Gary: I'm afraid because I just checked and it's not on the shelf where it should be. :( ... I read it a long time ago and only remember the part about Helen and her mother's long journey from Burma to India as refugees
	🇰🇷 7:30pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Wah Wah" by "Barney Wilen" Is this Barney Wilen, the French saxophonist??? (If I remember correctly.)
	7:30pm Dean: Was 21 when I acquired MLITBOG. Not a (wo)man, not a child.
	7:31pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:30 Yes!
	🇰🇷 7:31pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:31 Crazy. Most famous here for one album with Miles Davis.
	7:34pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:31 Oh, i didn't know that -- what Miles album was he on?
	🇰🇷 7:36pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:31 French soundtrack for Ascenseur pour 'échafaud. Apparently doing this soundtrack gave Miles the idea for the much freer approach that he took with his "Second Quintet." Don't get me started on this, people! en.wikipedia.org...
	7:47pm TDK60: Pretty groovy to have a show with suggestions from other DJs.
	7:48pm Gary: ↳ TDK60 @7:47 Great for me, especially, because I get to hear a lotta new-to-me stuff
	🇰🇷 7:59pm WR: hi Gary and Bodegans.
	7:59pm Gary: Hi, WR!
	8:01pm peter: hey i know this backing tune ;)
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo !
	8:05pm coelacanth∅: well - if you decide that the decade begins on the first day of 1080, then that's when it begins. (for that matter, if you decide it begins on june 21, 1984, then THAT is when it begins)
	8:06pm emily_w: You've definitely seen more than me, Gary! I've watched about 300 Indian films since I started keeping track.
	8:06pm coelacanth∅: (1980, that is...not 1080... although that applies too)
	8:09pm emily_w: Definitely agree that that's one of the greatest Lata songs too!
	8:09pm TDK60: Jon Hassell, always a pleasure. I usually turn up the volume when he's on. Still sounds futuristic often.
	8:11pm Dean: Now I get it. MLITBOG is ground zero for post-exotica cultural appropriation...? MLITBOG is just about the only music by either Eno or Byrne I can tolerate. On the other hand, I can listen to Hassell anytime. (Even this Eno-related thing.) What are the parameters for exotica? I've been playing recorder duets with a teacher (she's now playing flute, too), and we recently had fun with Henry Cowell's "Pelog." Seems like appropriation to me.
	8:11pm Gary: ↳ TDK60 @8:09 I gotta say, Evan was on the nose to suggest this particular LP
	🇰🇷 8:12pm Listener Gregory: Gary, I am sure that the conversation on Twitter will be sophisticated and nuanced, as well as being sympathetic to everyone's views.
	8:12pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:11 Man, see, that's a question with a bottomless answer, Dean!
	8:12pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:12 Definitely now that that guy that builds the flaming cars and complains about work-from-home is managing it!
	8:14pm Dean: Well, Cowell died in late '65, and Denny was doing his thing from the late '50s. It's likely Cowell was not "post-" the arrival of the genre in popular culture.
	8:19pm Dean: Anybody suggest Rema-Rema, "Wheel In the Roses"? Seems apt.
	8:20pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:19 No, I don't know what that is!
	8:21pm zzz: hey @Gary and all, enticing show summary. enjoying the african head charge and byrne/eno so far
	8:21pm Gary: ZZZ!
	8:21pm tim abdellah: ↳ Song: "Qu'ran" by "Brian Eno & David Byrne" This track sparks heated debates still
	8:22pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @8:21 Yes! That's why I had to play it specifically -- also because it was removed from subsequent editions
	8:23pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @8:21 which is a shame, as it's the best track on the album mea culpa is a very close second
	8:23pm tim abdellah: ↳ pot8o @8:23 As a Muslim, I'm glad they removed the track.
	8:24pm Gary: ↳ Song: "Qurbani קורבני" by "Jacky McKayten ג'קי מקייטן" Emily, do you recognize this one?
	🇰🇷 8:25pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @8:23 It does seem wise.
	8:25pm Dean: Oh, dear. Do explore. https://www.discogs.com/master/17533-Rema-Rema-Wheel-In-The-Roses
	8:26pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @8:23 that's fair i wish they had gone somewhere in the middle and removed the qu'ran sample
	8:27pm emily_w: ↳ Gary @8:24 It sounds so familiar but I can't quite place it!!
	8:27pm Gary: ↳ pot8o @8:26 That would have been a good compromise, Pot8o
	8:29pm emily_w: Ah of course it's from Qurbani, another one I've been meaning to watch, especially since Zeenat Aman was recently talking about it on her Instagram (she's the best)
	8:29pm tim abdellah: I had some belly dancer friends who once performed a routine to a track from a Turkish music compilation called "The Holy Qur'an". It was pointed out to them that the use of that particular track would not be considered appropriate, so the stopped using it 😅
	8:30pm Gary: Zeenat Aman is on Instagraom?!?
	🇰🇷 8:30pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Egypt Strut" by "The Sun Ra Arkestra" Before we accuse Sun Ra of appropriation, I would like to note that I believe he helped to build the pyramids before his 20th-century manifestation.
	8:30pm emily_w: Gary, yes!!! She is the best person on there pretty much. Just joined earlier this year and posts amazing reflections on her life and career.
	8:30pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:30 This is collaboration, Dean!
	8:31pm emily_w: www.instagram.com...
	8:31pm Dean: I have never been a First Amendment absolutist, largely because I read the amendment as a symptom of Founding Father passive aggression. But I can't quite understand why David Byrne and Brian Eno (or, for that matter, Two Live Crew) need to restrict--even only to the point of compromise--offensiveness of their work. But then I'm a fan of cultural appropriation.
	🇰🇷 8:31pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @8:30 Dean and I are collaborating on our comments. You really have no idea which of us is saying what.
	8:32pm Gary: ↳ emily_w @8:31 Oh My Word! She's even more beautiful than I remembered, haha
	8:33pm emily_w: ↳ Gary @8:32 Yes, so stunning!
	🇰🇷 8:34pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @8:31 I don't know about "need to" restrict their work, but they may not have realized in 1981 just what offense might be taken, or perhaps not wanted that to interfere with the rest of their work.
	8:36pm Dean: You're right, LG. But not realizing the risk of offense and not wanting to invite inconvenience are two very different factors.
	8:37pm tim abdellah: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:34 It's my understanding that they didn't realize that setting the Qur'an recitation with musical sounds would be considered offensive, and once they understood that they chose to withdraw the track.
	8:37pm Dean: Anyway, offense is awesome! I can't count how many times a day I'm offended (and held back and silenced) by something or other. I don't enjoy it, but at least it means I'm sentient. Offense comes with the territory.
	8:38pm coelacanth∅: regarding Hassell's problem with my life in the bush of ghosts, (i got a call just as about to post >20 minutes ago) what i read was Hassell thought it was very commercial, and "pop" sounding...which, relatively, it was - even if a huge jump at the time for most mainstream music listeners. in any case he and Eno came to a peace and Hassell softened his views considerably.
	8:38pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @8:37 That sounds right, Tim, though I don't know the story, myself, or at what point it was decided
	8:39pm pot8o: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:34 plus iirc a council of british imams came out & released a statement against it, which is what caused eno & byrne to remove it
	8:39pm Dean: That, coelacanth∅:, seems entirely plausible.
	8:39pm TDK60: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:38 Odd, coel. I didn't think it commercial. But I'm probably elsewhere on the human sound spectrum from Mr. Hassell.
	🇰🇷 8:39pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @8:37 That's what I imagined, though I had no idea. It may be hard to remember how little Americans knew about Islam in those days. (I realize Eno is English; I can't speak to that.)
	8:40pm Dean: So I guess Salman Rushdie, whom I've never read and don't particularly care to read, should have withdrawn his book?
	8:41pm Dean: (Look at what you've gotten into, Gary.)
	8:42pm peter: ↳ Song: "Ethnicolor" by "Jean-Michel Jarre" speaking of Jarres and cross-cultural collaboration/appropriation, i always thought Maurice's soundtrack to The Year of Living Dangerously (with its Indonesian influence) was very good
	🇰🇷 8:42pm Listener Gregory: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:38 The album may have been "pop" in some sense, but it only reached #44 on the Billboard charts in the US (Wiki). But it made it all the way to #8 in New Zealand! Yeah, Kiwis!
	8:43pm Gary: ↳ peter @8:42 Oh, I need to hear that!
	8:44pm coelacanth∅: ↳ TDK60 @8:39 yeah no it really wasn't, but for Hassell i guess it was, having "pop" things like hooks and riffs and catchy rhythms
	8:44pm Gary: ↳ Dean @8:40 Well, that's different because he was being provocative but also is from the culture itself -- not saying one way or another whether he should have withdrawn the book, but that the dynamics are significantly different
	8:45pm tim abdellah: ↳ Dean @8:40 I've also never read Rushdie, but I understand that The Satanic Verses draws deeply and intentionally on some points in Islamic and Qur'anic history. Byrne and Eno seem to have stumbled into the controversy.
	8:50pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "Zoo Zulu" by "Finis Africae" This sounds influenced by Byrne & Eno. Maybe. A few years later.
	🇰🇷 8:51pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Zoo Zulu" by "Finis Africae" Hmmm. Not feeling this. It sounds like a random incorporation.
	8:52pm Gary: ↳ Song: "Hawa Hawai" by "Kavita Krishnamurthy & Chorus \| L... This track is related to the film still at the top of the playlist page
	8:54pm Gary: ↳ Gary @8:52 Much (but not all) of the lyrics are made-up language
	8:54pm Dean: I'm sorry, but I can't discern a difference. The "culture" has utterly porous boundaries, is ultimately impossible to delineate, never mind that indicia of intention are extremely difficult to specify. Now, if we want to deploy a regime whose job is to delineate the boundaries, establish intentions, and enforce violations, then that will take some very hard work.
	8:54pm Gary: ↳ Gary @8:54 Especially the opening
	8:55pm emily_w: LOVE THIS SONG
	8:56pm Doug Schulkind: L-P. What a team!
	8:57pm Gary: Hi, Doug!
	🇰🇷 9:10pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Caravan" by "Haruomi Hosono" !!! I just heard the Duke Ellington original of this tune. Never thought of the exoticism angle: Puerto Rican and Black writers, with lyrics by their Jewish American manager, on an Arabian theme.
	9:18pm emily_w: Anil Kapoor!
	9:19pm Listener Gregory: The men in the picture look like Little Richard imitators to me. Which they almost certainly are not.
	9:20pm emily_w: And the woman is Sridevi, she wasn't in softcore tho (maybe you're thinking of Silk Smitha?). Love Sridevi forever, she died so young and it makes me so sad.
	9:20pm emily_w: And yeah he was in Slumdog Millionaire haha
	9:22pm Dean: Jean-Michel Jarre had earlier releases. His pop was Maurice.
	9:23pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:19 maybe not directly
	9:25pm Dean: Than Oxygène, I mean.
	9:26pm emily_w: Sridevi did do a lot of sexy dance numbers for sure, but not softcore movies!
	9:29pm Gary: ↳ emily_w @9:26 My sincere apologies to Sridevi for misinformationin' her like that
	9:36pm coelacanth∅: so, if people, in their desire to feel righteous, call something like Jon Hassell, or Paul Simon, or Peter Gabriel, etc etc "cultural appropriation", shouldn't they also be accusing all rappers, all rock bands from africa, all arabic and african music that has piano or violin in it... Fela, Najma, Ceatano Veloso, Haruomi Hosono, Tracy Chapman . . . .?
	9:38pm Dean: I don't know for sure, but I believe Bryn Jones was not Muslim.
	9:39pm Gary: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:36 I don't think there is any escaping the permeability of music, is the argument here, but there are then, of course, instances and consequences of certain instances
	🇰🇷 9:40pm Listener Gregory: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:23 God only knows what is going on there.
	9:41pm emily_w: Gotta head out, thanks for a great show Gary!!
	9:44pm Gary: Always super-thrill to see you, Emily!
	9:45pm Gary: Hey Kids! Stick around after this program for the always-already thrill-tastic Sam Segal and If You Lose Your Horse! Tonight's episode: "There Are Still Horses and Goats, to Mention Only Them" wfmu.org...
	9:47pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "Khyber Sound (From Kabul To Peshawar In Fullmoon)... This sounds similar to Savage Republic or maybe Swans.
	9:48pm Dean: Those "instances and consequences" are at most marginally promoted by artistic appropriations. And I believe that prohibiting artistic efforts will accrue benefits to governing authorities to the point that the costs will far outweigh the benefits. Is Qu'ran" offensive because it exists? It's aired frequently on radio? Somebody uses it intentionally to offend believers?
	9:49pm TDK60: Thanks, Gary, and Drummer Radio suggesters!
	9:49pm tim abdellah: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:36 Musicians always appropriate, grab influences, licks, whole songs from elsewhere and others. Still, unequal power relations are often at play and may be worth considering when analyzing a musical borrowing.
	9:50pm Gary: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 Yes, thank you, Tim
	9:51pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Khyber Sound (From Kabul To Peshawar In Fullmoon)... your whole show has been absolutely fascinating, but this is exceptionally beautiful -- thanks so much!
	🇰🇷 9:54pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @9:48 Dean, you talk about prohibiting artistic effort and establishing regimes, but I haven't heard anyone here suggest such things. People have the freedom to be offensive and also to avoid saying or doing something because it will cause offense. Arguing over whether the latter is appropriate is just part of the free speech deal. I am permitted to say all kinds of things, but I don't, and I probably should say less than I do. It's worth discussing whether X is worth the offense or is even offensive at all or creates a problem, etc., etc. Otherwise, we would have very little to talk about! Nonetheless, I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.
	🇰🇷 9:55pm WR: Thank you! Gary!
	9:56pm Dean: Unequal power relations are always at play and are always worth considering. Why is that a question? But do Byrne/Eno have excessive "power" in this respect? No. They're two piddling players in a huge musical "ecosystem" (a metaphor I don't especially appreciate). If they want to crib from the Koran, who cares? (Answer: some folks, but mostly nobody.)
	9:56pm pot8o: thanks gary! have a great week everyone!
	🇰🇷 9:56pm Listener Gregory: I have just realized that when people type, "Thank you, Gary!" I can pretend that they have simply mis-typed "Thank you, Gregory!" Nice.
	9:57pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 i do appreciate that consideration, in general. i also think it has no place in art, which has no political boundary. if someone creates their own something -aural or visual decoration to get around paying someone for an authentic something, then Fuck them... but being influenced by music and incorporating it into your own is not "appropriation". it's life. it's art and it's Love. it's tribute. and it's evolution. and most of the music that's been called the "victim" has "culturally appropriated" from something before it.
	🇰🇷 9:57pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @9:56 Fortunately, they had the choice of putting in the clip and then had the choice of taking it out. So far as has been reported, no one made them do either.
	9:58pm tim abdellah: ↳ Dean @9:48 For me personally, I find beautiful the way that Islamic tradition has set apart Qur'an recitation from music. It recognizes the enchanting power that melody and rhythm can wield, and it attempts to set the audition of the word of God as a sonic experience separate from human musical activity. A Qur'an reciter who is praised for having a beautiful voice has failed as their job as a reciter, because the experience should be about the MESSAGE not the messenger (reciter). I don't think anyone should be censored for setting the qur'an to music, but I think the deep tradition and thought behind the Islamic tradition of Qur'an recitation is worth understanding and considering.
	🇰🇷 9:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	9:58pm slugluv1313: ↳ tim abdellah @9:49 so true -- like with food, there is always so much overlap . . . when i was studying North African/Middle Eastern dance, one thing i learned is that as long as you approach with respect, learning from another culture need not be this bad thing . . . there were articles about "why are white women stealing 'belly dance'" etc. . . . on the other hand, my Capoeira instructor's Dad had huge classes in Sweden (iirc) . . . and not to mention all the non-Japanese people who train in Karate!
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: ...blues artists didn't create the blues; rappers didn't create rap, etc.
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Gregory! Whoops, I mean Gary! Great idea for a show, and it produced some great music. I honestly think that all of us should be canceled for listening to this show. Then we can form our own Twitter-replacement app that will be moderated by Dean.
	9:59pm Dean: tim @9:58, I can't agree more emphatically.
	10:00pm Gary: Night, everyone!
	10:00pm tim abdellah: Thanks Gary for the grooves and all for the conversation - appreciate you all!
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tim abdellah @9:58 this probably is little justification for you, but i'd bet that track opened a lot of people up to exactly what you're saying. i personally would, in consideration of what you say here, like to see the track included but with a note about it, maybe including an apology... but this is going back in time.
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!

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