WFMU: The Laughing Clock with DJ Peter: Playlist from October 1, 2023

Listener comments!
	12:20pm DJ Peter: ⦿Sun in ♎︎Libra, Year of Metal 🐅Tiger ' Mark Helias (born October 1, 1950) is an American double bass player and composer born in New Brunswick, New Jersey. ' Thanks to Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	🕰 7:03pm WR: Hi, we are having Mexican tortas for dinner, so please program appropriately: spicy. a little greasy. filling.
	7:07pm DJ Peter: I think I’ve got you covered, WR! With some palate cleansers too! Thanks for tuning in!
	7:09pm neveract: Hey DJ Peter!
	7:12pm DJ Peter: Neveract1 Great to see you. Sorry no Loosofsky planned for today. I did poke around and realized I had mostly records where he’s accompanying, not spotlighted. Any tips?
	7:15pm bigplanetnoise: Howdy, DJ Peter and all!
	7:16pm DJ Peter: BPN! Pull up a chair and see how it’s done when you don’t have to put the needle down every 2.5 minutes!
	7:16pm bigplanetnoise: Hahaha! Ok!
	7:17pm DJ Peter: Seriously, so much respect for what you and Gina accomplish.
	7:17pm bigplanetnoise: Thank you so much! We have such a blast!
	7:19pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 Oh yeah.. it's Harry's birthday.. almost forgot..lol. Just his Miracle In Strings or Stringsville..
	7:19pm neveract: Hi bigplanet..
	7:20pm bigplanetnoise: Hey neveract!
	7:22pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 Thank you very much for looking!
	7:28pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 If you've got any Stan Kenton discs.. his wife Ann Richards (Oct 1, 1935) was a great vocalist for him. She had some solo albums as well.
	7:38pm DJ Peter: I might have a Kenton record or two or twenty. I think Richards might even have an album on the Charlie Parker label, my memory seems to be nagging to say… don’t quote me without googling first…
	7:44pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:38 Don't know her catalog too well but I've got a thing for female vocalists from that era. I listened to an album of hers on which Barney Kessel plays. and i think maybe Jack Sheldon.. But I'm digging these Mark Helias tracks!!
	7:47pm DJ Peter: So many good singers from that era
	7:52pm Jeff g. via app: How low can we go?
	7:55pm DJ Peter: Jeff: I’ve got the broom, do you have the tiki torches? Great Han Bennink show today… so many chapters, digressions, themes, dead ends… in that career, hard to convey it but I thought you did admirably!
	7:58pm Jon: Love Ed Blackwell😎
	7:59pm neveract: I see that Helias played with Don Cherry. Would like to hear some of that..
	7:59pm DJ Peter: ↳ Jon @7:58 The best, right Jon?!
	8:00pm DJ Peter: I hadn’t thought of the similarity of the New Orleans parade rhythms and the limbo until Jeff mentioned it… but it totally makes sense
	8:00pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @7:59 Volume 1 of this Blackwell Project has Cherry!
	8:02pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:00 on the top?
	8:08pm northguineahills: peter, you're doing it perfect, we're a family here...
	8:08pm neveract: "Pentahouve" I'm gonna guess Five Hats, since there are five musicians..
	8:09pm northguineahills: ↳ neveract @8:08 yep, that's where my linguistics takes me...
	8:10pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:02 Don Cherry on the top, beautiful. Just make sure it’s the right Don Cherry.
	8:11pm DJ Peter: Hats huh? “Houve” is the plural of hats?
	8:12pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:10 not the canadian hockey announcer?
	8:12pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:11 nah, it's "hats hut", ohh....
	8:13pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:11 I dunno.. I just broke the title in half and googled "houve" which the interwebs says is a hat or cap or head covering of some kind.
	8:13pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:12 Exactly. Not him. But now that I think of it, their love of colorful clothing ties them together. Cut from the same cloth (ouch sorry)
	8:14pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @8:13 I must find a picture of said head covering… Hang on…
	8:15pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:14 I don't think it's a specific head covering but I'm not a hatter.. I wonder if there any photos of the recording session...
	8:17pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Pentahouve" by "Ed Blackwell Project" Blackwell’s headgear is pretty hip
	8:17pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:13 i have no idea why i know that (i'm a closetted sports jock, in the closet). actually, gtds peeps know i'm rather open about it, but obscure canadian hockey, i still have no idea how i know that.
	8:18pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:17 I’ve never been to a hockey match (despite having many Flyers fans in the Delaware environs), but Don Cherry was a big enough personality that he penetrated my consciousness
	8:19pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:14 maybe it's a five-sided hat..
	8:22pm adamdoesit: Hi DJ Peter and clockers! In for the last set…
	8:23pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:18 i've been to ncaa hockey matches as a kid, if that counts...(much older cousin played for wvu), but yeah, i know all sports, aussie football and cricket included...
	8:23pm neveract: Hey adamdoesit
	8:23pm adamdoesit: ↳ neveract @8:23 Hi neveract!
	8:24pm northguineahills: ok, gotta run back to the pen, mecri, peter, (will get to you before the end_
	8:24pm northguineahills: ↳ adamdoesit @8:22 tag, you're it! (i tagged you in)
	8:26pm DJ Peter: Hey Adamdoesit! I think Northguineahills is expecting bad puns or hockey commentary or something… do what you can…
	8:26pm adamdoesit: ↳ northguineahills @8:24 (Grabs steel chair) WROAH! (Looks around at the assembled hip intently listening.) I mean, yeah man. Skeedly-wah.
	8:27pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:26 dj peter knows me!
	8:27pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Handycam" by "Mark Helias" Hmm that album cover looked squarish on Bandcamp. Now it’s a little… bendy? Christopher Nolan or Doctor Strange is warping reality?
	8:28pm DJ Peter: ↳ adamdoesit @8:26 Perfect! No notes.
	8:33pm ?: "Pentahouve" appears nowhere in Google's ngram Viewer. But "five-pointed hat" is a recognized term.
	8:34pm djnogoodnick: Hey DJ Peter and clockers--been enjoying the sounds while fixing a late dinner.
	8:36pm neveract: Helias Yeah!!
	8:36pm asheville jon: I would absolutely stick around for that.
	8:37pm neveract: Howdy djnogoodnick
	8:39pm DJ Peter: Hey Asheville Jon! Your vote is duly noted. Actually, I think one note is all that’s needed.
	8:39pm Dean: I'm the question mark @8:33. Saw Francois Houle at a house concert a few years back. Really dig his records.
	8:41pm DJ Peter: Hi Nick: easier to cook when you’re not DJ-ing, isn’t it!
	8:42pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:39 Dean, that’s awesome. I don’t know him well, what should I check out next?
	8:45pm Dean: I started with the Red Toucan material, but wow, he's done work for a lot of good labels: Songlines, ezz-thetics... I just purchased 27 CDs from the latter, and I believe one of them is Houle. I didn't even realize that he has a recording with Koglmann's between the lines. I'd want to hear that!
	8:48pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:45 That’s a great haul, enjoy it! I’ll definitely look for those Houle recordings, I might have the Koglmann lying around… hat hut?
	8:49pm Dean: between the lines, the label Koglmann started after he drifted from hat hut.
	8:50pm Dean: For instance, they reissued Opium.
	8:52pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:50 Aha! Didn’t know that, always interested to see who musician-owned labels decide to feature!
	8:55pm Dean: A hefty discography: https://www.discogs.com/label/50108-Between-The-Lines
	8:55pm DJ Peter: We’re doing it, running right up to the top of the hour! If you haven’t heard, no Primal Ice Cream tonight, alas!
	8:56pm asheville jon: sweet
	8:56pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:55 Can’t wait to dig into that, thanks for the link
	8:59pm neveract: Thanks for a beautiful show DJ Peter! I'm learning a lot from you (and your listeners). It's getting me out of my musical ruts. Thank you.
	8:59pm Doug Schulkind: Enjoying the show DJP!
	9:03pm adamdoesit: Thank you, DJ Peter!
	9:04pm DJ Peter: Thanks everybody! Look both ways when crossing the street and I’ll see you back here next Sunday.
	9:05pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @8:59 ☺️💕✌🏼
	🕰 9:06pm WR: Thank you!
	9:19pm doctorjazz: Cool looking sets, couldn't make it, hope to listen in the archives
	11:31am doctorjazz: Just did my catch up listen-The Houle 4 stuff was great (didn't know it), big BassDrumBone fan (saw them twice), rest also great, thanks DJ Peter!

The Laughing Clock with DJ Peter: Playlist from October 1, 2023

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Count Basie	M Squad Theme (excerpt)	Basic Basie	MPS	1969		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Red Garland	M Squad Theme "M Squad Theme" by "Red Garland"	Red In Bluesville	Prestige	1969	4/17/1959: Red Garland (p) Sam Jones (b) Art Taylor (d)	0:00:30 (Pop-up)
Mark Helias	The Current Set "The Current Set" by "Mark Helias"	The Current Set	Enja		March 1987: Herb Robertson (cnt,tp,flhrn) Robin Eubanks (tb) Tim Berne (as) Greg Osby (sop) Mark Helias (b) Victor Lewis (d)	0:05:24 (Pop-up)
Dewey Redman & Mark Helias	Albert	Pillars & Columns	Radio Legs Music		Feb. 3, 1981	0:12:22 (Pop-up)
BassDrumBone	Sambali "Sambali" by "BassDrumBone"	Wooferloo	Soul Note		11/2/1987: Ray Anderson (tb) Mark Helias (b) Gerry Hemingway (d)	0:18:46 (Pop-up)
Slickaphonics	Neck Down "Neck Down" by "Slickaphonics"	Wow Bag	Enja		March 1982: Ray Anderson (tb,vcl.cga,perc) Steve Eisen (ts,synt,perc,vcl) Allan Jaffe (g,vcl) Mark Helias (el-b,vcl) Jim Payne (d,perc,vcl)	0:24:52 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Don Pullen	Big Alice (alternate take)	Richard's Tune	Sackville		2014 CD reissue of "Solo Piano Album" with two bonus tracks. Recorded 1975.	0:28:41 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis	An Anthem for the Generation That Died	Song for the Old World	India Navigation		July 1978: Jay Hoggard (vib) Anthony Davis (p) Mark Helias (b) Ed Blackwell (d)	0:34:43 (Pop-up)
Dewey Redman	Daystar Nightlight "Daystar Nightlight" by "Dewey Redman"	Musics	Galaxy		October 1978: Dewey Redman (ts) Fred Simmons (p) Mark Helias (b) Eddie Moore (d)	0:42:04 (Pop-up)
Barry Altschul Trio	Lism "Lism" by "Barry Altschul Trio"	Brahma	Sackville		Brahma	0:48:03 (Pop-up)
Ed Blackwell Project	Pentahouve "Pentahouve" by "Ed Blackwell Project"	Vol. II: What It Be Like?	Enja		8/8/1992: Graham Haynes (cnt) Carlos Ward (fl) Mark Helias (b) Ed Blackwell (d)	0:52:27 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mary Lou Williams	Medi I "Medi I" by "Mary Lou Williams"	Zoning	Smithsonian Folkways		1/17/1974, with Bob Cranshaw (bass guitar). DJP remix.	1:00:49 (Pop-up)
Mark Helias' Open Loose	Last One In, First One Out	Come Ahead Back	KOCH Jazz		1998? Ellery Eskelin (ts) Mark Helias (b,chamber bundy) Tom Rainey (d,perc,bag)	1:08:45 (Pop-up)
Mark Helias' Open Loose	Gentle Ben	New School	Enja		9/21/2000: Tony Malaby (ts) Mark Helias (b) Tom Rainey (d,perc)	1:15:18 (Pop-up)
Mark Helias	Handycam "Handycam" by "Mark Helias"	Roof Rights	Radio Legs		November 2000: Scott Tinkler (tp) James Greening (tb) David Ades (as) Tony Malaby (ts) Mark Helias (b,comp) Gerald Cleaver (d)	1:24:06 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Susie Ibarra Trio	Dreams (Alternate Take)	Radiance	Hopscotch	1999	7/18/1999: Cooper-Moore (p,harp,diddley-bo) Charles Burnham (vln) Susie Ibarra (d,perc)	1:32:47 (Pop-up)
François Houle 4	Interlude 2 "Interlude 2" by "François Houle 4"	RECODER	Afterday Audio		September 2019: Houle & Mark Helias (clarinets)	1:36:57 (Pop-up)
François Houle 4	Big Time Felter	RECODER	Afterday Audio		September 2019: Houle (clarinet), Gordon Grdina (guitar), Mark Helias (bass), Gerry Hemingway (drums)	1:38:26 (Pop-up)
Jane Ira Bloom & Mark Helias	Drift	Some Kind of Tomorrow			2020: Bloom (soprano sax), Helias (bass)	1:45:02 (Pop-up)
Gordon Grdina, Mark Helias, Matthew Shipp	Flutter	Pathways	Attaboygirl Records	2022	November 2021: Grdina (guitar, oud), Mark Helias (bass), Matthew Shipp (piano)	1:49:56 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Composition 40 G "Composition 40 G" by "Anthony Braxton"	Six Compositions: Quartet	Antilles		October 1981: Anthony Braxton (contrabass-cl) Anthony Davis (p) Mark Helias (b) Ed Blackwell (d)	1:53:42 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Joe Chambers Moving Picture Orchestra	M Squad Theme	Live at Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola	Savant	2012	September 2011. Craig Handy (tenor sax), David Weiss (trumpet), Xavier Davis (piano), Dwayne Burno (bass), Joe Chambers (drums, vibes, arranger), Steve Berrios (percussion), et al.	1:58:49 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:20pm DJ Peter: ⦿Sun in ♎︎Libra, Year of Metal 🐅Tiger ' Mark Helias (born October 1, 1950) is an American double bass player and composer born in New Brunswick, New Jersey. ' Thanks to Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	🕰 7:03pm WR: Hi, we are having Mexican tortas for dinner, so please program appropriately: spicy. a little greasy. filling.
	7:07pm DJ Peter: I think I’ve got you covered, WR! With some palate cleansers too! Thanks for tuning in!
	7:09pm neveract: Hey DJ Peter!
	7:12pm DJ Peter: Neveract1 Great to see you. Sorry no Loosofsky planned for today. I did poke around and realized I had mostly records where he’s accompanying, not spotlighted. Any tips?
	7:15pm bigplanetnoise: Howdy, DJ Peter and all!
	7:16pm DJ Peter: BPN! Pull up a chair and see how it’s done when you don’t have to put the needle down every 2.5 minutes!
	7:16pm bigplanetnoise: Hahaha! Ok!
	7:17pm DJ Peter: Seriously, so much respect for what you and Gina accomplish.
	7:17pm bigplanetnoise: Thank you so much! We have such a blast!
	7:19pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 Oh yeah.. it's Harry's birthday.. almost forgot..lol. Just his Miracle In Strings or Stringsville..
	7:19pm neveract: Hi bigplanet..
	7:20pm bigplanetnoise: Hey neveract!
	7:22pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 Thank you very much for looking!
	7:28pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:12 If you've got any Stan Kenton discs.. his wife Ann Richards (Oct 1, 1935) was a great vocalist for him. She had some solo albums as well.
	7:38pm DJ Peter: I might have a Kenton record or two or twenty. I think Richards might even have an album on the Charlie Parker label, my memory seems to be nagging to say… don’t quote me without googling first…
	7:44pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @7:38 Don't know her catalog too well but I've got a thing for female vocalists from that era. I listened to an album of hers on which Barney Kessel plays. and i think maybe Jack Sheldon.. But I'm digging these Mark Helias tracks!!
	7:47pm DJ Peter: So many good singers from that era
	7:52pm Jeff g. via app: How low can we go?
	7:55pm DJ Peter: Jeff: I’ve got the broom, do you have the tiki torches? Great Han Bennink show today… so many chapters, digressions, themes, dead ends… in that career, hard to convey it but I thought you did admirably!
	7:58pm Jon: Love Ed Blackwell😎
	7:59pm neveract: I see that Helias played with Don Cherry. Would like to hear some of that..
	7:59pm DJ Peter: ↳ Jon @7:58 The best, right Jon?!
	8:00pm DJ Peter: I hadn’t thought of the similarity of the New Orleans parade rhythms and the limbo until Jeff mentioned it… but it totally makes sense
	8:00pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @7:59 Volume 1 of this Blackwell Project has Cherry!
	8:02pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:00 on the top?
	8:08pm northguineahills: peter, you're doing it perfect, we're a family here...
	8:08pm neveract: "Pentahouve" I'm gonna guess Five Hats, since there are five musicians..
	8:09pm northguineahills: ↳ neveract @8:08 yep, that's where my linguistics takes me...
	8:10pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:02 Don Cherry on the top, beautiful. Just make sure it’s the right Don Cherry.
	8:11pm DJ Peter: Hats huh? “Houve” is the plural of hats?
	8:12pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:10 not the canadian hockey announcer?
	8:12pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:11 nah, it's "hats hut", ohh....
	8:13pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:11 I dunno.. I just broke the title in half and googled "houve" which the interwebs says is a hat or cap or head covering of some kind.
	8:13pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:12 Exactly. Not him. But now that I think of it, their love of colorful clothing ties them together. Cut from the same cloth (ouch sorry)
	8:14pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @8:13 I must find a picture of said head covering… Hang on…
	8:15pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:14 I don't think it's a specific head covering but I'm not a hatter.. I wonder if there any photos of the recording session...
	8:17pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Pentahouve" by "Ed Blackwell Project" Blackwell’s headgear is pretty hip
	8:17pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:13 i have no idea why i know that (i'm a closetted sports jock, in the closet). actually, gtds peeps know i'm rather open about it, but obscure canadian hockey, i still have no idea how i know that.
	8:18pm DJ Peter: ↳ northguineahills @8:17 I’ve never been to a hockey match (despite having many Flyers fans in the Delaware environs), but Don Cherry was a big enough personality that he penetrated my consciousness
	8:19pm neveract: ↳ DJ Peter @8:14 maybe it's a five-sided hat..
	8:22pm adamdoesit: Hi DJ Peter and clockers! In for the last set…
	8:23pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:18 i've been to ncaa hockey matches as a kid, if that counts...(much older cousin played for wvu), but yeah, i know all sports, aussie football and cricket included...
	8:23pm neveract: Hey adamdoesit
	8:23pm adamdoesit: ↳ neveract @8:23 Hi neveract!
	8:24pm northguineahills: ok, gotta run back to the pen, mecri, peter, (will get to you before the end_
	8:24pm northguineahills: ↳ adamdoesit @8:22 tag, you're it! (i tagged you in)
	8:26pm DJ Peter: Hey Adamdoesit! I think Northguineahills is expecting bad puns or hockey commentary or something… do what you can…
	8:26pm adamdoesit: ↳ northguineahills @8:24 (Grabs steel chair) WROAH! (Looks around at the assembled hip intently listening.) I mean, yeah man. Skeedly-wah.
	8:27pm northguineahills: ↳ DJ Peter @8:26 dj peter knows me!
	8:27pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Handycam" by "Mark Helias" Hmm that album cover looked squarish on Bandcamp. Now it’s a little… bendy? Christopher Nolan or Doctor Strange is warping reality?
	8:28pm DJ Peter: ↳ adamdoesit @8:26 Perfect! No notes.
	8:33pm ?: "Pentahouve" appears nowhere in Google's ngram Viewer. But "five-pointed hat" is a recognized term.
	8:34pm djnogoodnick: Hey DJ Peter and clockers--been enjoying the sounds while fixing a late dinner.
	8:36pm neveract: Helias Yeah!!
	8:36pm asheville jon: I would absolutely stick around for that.
	8:37pm neveract: Howdy djnogoodnick
	8:39pm DJ Peter: Hey Asheville Jon! Your vote is duly noted. Actually, I think one note is all that’s needed.
	8:39pm Dean: I'm the question mark @8:33. Saw Francois Houle at a house concert a few years back. Really dig his records.
	8:41pm DJ Peter: Hi Nick: easier to cook when you’re not DJ-ing, isn’t it!
	8:42pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:39 Dean, that’s awesome. I don’t know him well, what should I check out next?
	8:45pm Dean: I started with the Red Toucan material, but wow, he's done work for a lot of good labels: Songlines, ezz-thetics... I just purchased 27 CDs from the latter, and I believe one of them is Houle. I didn't even realize that he has a recording with Koglmann's between the lines. I'd want to hear that!
	8:48pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:45 That’s a great haul, enjoy it! I’ll definitely look for those Houle recordings, I might have the Koglmann lying around… hat hut?
	8:49pm Dean: between the lines, the label Koglmann started after he drifted from hat hut.
	8:50pm Dean: For instance, they reissued Opium.
	8:52pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:50 Aha! Didn’t know that, always interested to see who musician-owned labels decide to feature!
	8:55pm Dean: A hefty discography: https://www.discogs.com/label/50108-Between-The-Lines
	8:55pm DJ Peter: We’re doing it, running right up to the top of the hour! If you haven’t heard, no Primal Ice Cream tonight, alas!
	8:56pm asheville jon: sweet
	8:56pm DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @8:55 Can’t wait to dig into that, thanks for the link
	8:59pm neveract: Thanks for a beautiful show DJ Peter! I'm learning a lot from you (and your listeners). It's getting me out of my musical ruts. Thank you.
	8:59pm Doug Schulkind: Enjoying the show DJP!
	9:03pm adamdoesit: Thank you, DJ Peter!
	9:04pm DJ Peter: Thanks everybody! Look both ways when crossing the street and I’ll see you back here next Sunday.
	9:05pm DJ Peter: ↳ neveract @8:59 ☺️💕✌🏼
	🕰 9:06pm WR: Thank you!
	9:19pm doctorjazz: Cool looking sets, couldn't make it, hope to listen in the archives
	11:31am doctorjazz: Just did my catch up listen-The Houle 4 stuff was great (didn't know it), big BassDrumBone fan (saw them twice), rest also great, thanks DJ Peter!

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