WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from January 21, 2024

Listener comments!
	🥁 9:00am hyde: hello!
	9:00am Jeff Golick: Hiya, hyde! How goes?
	9:01am Stork: Hiya hoya hoe-ya!
	🥁 9:01am Yvang: Long time no see! Hi Jeff and D:O radioland!
	🥁 9:02am DJ Peter: Hi Hyde, Stork, Yvang! Nice show last night, Jeff!
	🥁 9:02am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:00 not bad. just ate a waffle and am about to roast some vegetables
	🥁 9:02am hyde: ↳ DJ Peter @9:02 hiya DJP
	🥁 9:02am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @9:02 That seems like the best sequence.
	9:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:01 It's a hoedown! Hellos, Stork! Greetings, Yvang! Good (early?) morn, DJ Peter, and thanks!
	🥁 9:02am Yvang: ↳ DJ Peter @9:02 Hi DJ Peter!
	9:03am Sem: Hello and good morning, Jeff, Hyde, Yvang, the Storch, DJ Peter, jazzbos of all ilks, and ilks still undecided.
	9:03am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:04am fred: Good morning Jeff and all maybe not going out today
	🥁 9:05am hyde: Baikida Carroll's birthday this past week too!
	9:06am alanr: and....another sunday morning buenos días from a not so cold Mexico city. Baking my standard røgbrot (bread), so, music for rising would be nice!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: Hallos, @Sem! listener james from westwood! fred! alanr! Buenos dias!
	9:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:05 Oh nice! On MLK Day; tough competition.
	9:09am Listener Gregory: Good morning from the shower.
	🥁 9:09am tom tom the pipers son: greetings jeff and people... baby it's cold out there....
	9:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:09 Keep it clean, Listener Gregory!
	🥁 9:10am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:08 Charlie Kohlhase did a nice Carroll tribute on his Research and Development show on WMBR that day
	9:10am fred: I saw David Grubbs yesterday; mastery without virtuosity, good show
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Hello there, tom tom the pipers son!
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:10 Oh that's excellent. Does that station archive shows?
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:10 Very cool, fred. Was it Grubbs solo?
	9:12am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 Yep
	🥁 9:14am Yvang: ↳ Sem @9:03 Hi Sem!
	🥁 9:15am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 yeah, they're archived for two weeks here: wmbr.org... His show the previous Monday has a great Thurman Barker tribute, I think he's trying to do ones for the people who are still around
	9:15am Jeff Golick: Mok's band: David Leon - alto saxophone, soprano saxophone, flute, alto flute Yuma Uesaka - tenor saxophone, Bb clarinet, contraalto clarinet Adam O'Farrill - trumpet Kalun Leung - trombone Cory Smythe - piano Joanna Mattrey - viola Aliya Ultan - cello Florian Herzog - bass Weston Olencki - electronics Lesley Mok - drums
	9:17am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:15 Oh, thanks, hyde. I should do that more (celebrate the still-around).
	9:17am fred: I said yesterday but it was actually two days ago (I hope days with nothing don't count, my body begs to differ)
	🥁 9:17am doctorjazz: Hi Jeff, long time no see!
	🥁 9:19am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: Welcome back, nice to see ya, doctorjazz!
	9:19am adamdoesit: Good morning, Jeff G and listeners. It's cold out, and bold:OUT!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @9:19 Happy day, chresti!
	🥁 9:21am WR: Hello Jeff and destination folks
	🥁 9:23am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Swamp People" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Great Band!
	9:23am Jeff Golick: adamdoesit! WR! In from the cold to warm things up!
	9:23am fred: I also saw young Isreali choreographers who are really promising. I liked Misan Miso Samara best, but Lal'el Pillora has a sense of humor that could carry her to fame fast
	🥁 9:25am tom tom the pipers son: sounded like piano had a strange effect on it in beginning then went away
	9:25am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:23 I envy your performance outings, fred.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:25 Yes, like an altered tack piano?
	🥁 9:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 u huh
	9:26am Jeff Golick: I did venture out to see Poor Things yesterday on a big screen. Still thinking about it.
	🥁 9:26am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:25 Yeah, where did it go? Detuned?
	🥁 9:28am tom tom the pipers son: right, it's a mystery how it went away
	🥁 9:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 probably going tomorrow
	9:30am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:25 To be honest, I see far fewer shows these days (conflicts between dance and music, plus the awful prep for the Olympics). Dance+ music I barely saw 100 last year, sucks
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:30 Well you've got me well beat, fred. Paris has the Olympics this summer, is that right? That...sounds rough, honestly.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:29 Curious to hear what you think. I thought it used music extremely well.
	9:33am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 listenmissy and I loved Poor Things. So funny, shocking, and strange -- especially the music! The dance sequence (a Lanthimos movie fixture) did not disappoint. Tried to watch Maestro last night and, no. How could anyone make such a shallow movie about such a deep man?
	9:34am northguineahills: here. gotta run back to nyc from upstate. i have a 3 month sublet in sunset park. and i think i have a two week sub for the next two weeks in bushwick. (i can't wait until i don't have to worry about where I lay my head).
	9:34am mic_a: I once knew an upright player piano that had a 'tack' set of metal tabs on fabric nubs mounted to a full-width horizontal bar which raised and lowered between the hammers and strings with a handy pull lever. So you could turn the tacks 'on & off' in an instant. Ah, yes, still hanging in. Hello and best, Jeff and everyone.
	9:35am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @9:34 Hooray northguineahills! May you find peaceful rest soon.
	9:35am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	🥁 9:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:32 the version of an elton john song in the favourite was well chosen, another version of the song is pure schmaltz...skyline pigeon
	9:35am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 This will be hell. Looks like I'll have to apply for a special permit to get to work. Many friends plan to leave the city, if London gives an idea they probably won't afford to come back. After the COVID purge, this might kill arts in Paris for a long time
	9:36am adamdoesit: Stepping out for bagels. Back in a bit.
	9:36am Jeff Golick: That is cool, mic_a! As are you! Nice to see ya. Good morn, coelacanth∅!
	9:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @9:36 Pumpernickel everything, pls?
	🥁 9:37am WR: ↳ Song: "Invocation" by "Jason Moran" A trio, keyboard, trumpet, drums. jasonmoran.bandcamp.com... there is utoob link to vid about composing & recording.
	🥁 9:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @9:34 it's amazing how well you're coping
	🥁 9:37am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @9:36 Get Me an onion or garlic bagel. Thanks.
	🥁 9:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ mic_a @9:34 ah thank you...
	9:40am Juli: Gangsters for love sounds alright.
	🥁 9:40am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @9:33 Didn't love Maestro either, saw it in a theater, hard to even understand most of the dialog, fast quiet mumbling at the ground.
	9:41am mic_a: If you played reeeeal softly you could get this wonderful sound of just the tack hitting the string but no hammer.
	9:41am Juli: Are Art Grants gangsterism? Art about love & mercy & justice is important yet there isn't enough money to the arts Acting like artists don't deserve support:::{
	🥁 9:42am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:40 That's worrisome. Difficulty hearing dialog while streaming at home -- well documented. Difficulty in theater -- that's bad.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: Hey, Juli! I'm gonna need more coffee before venturing any kind of answer. Welcome.
	9:42am Juli: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 Need more too lol Cleaning & coffee & your show please:::}
	🥁 9:43am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @9:40 and bernstein had such a genteel speaking voice
	9:44am Juli: I started being spoken to & stalked from a Twitter following::: Made me delete Twitter.
	9:44am Listener Gregory: The group name Trio 3 just makes it so clear.
	🥁 9:45am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 LOL
	9:45am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 Just missing the III.
	🥁 9:45am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:42 Would've been much better at home (put on the subtitles...), the opposite of what we expected. (My hearing is aging, not the best, but MsJazz is OK, ad she had the same problem). Possible it was the theater, but it was a fancy, high end place, big, reclining widely spaced seats, etc...
	9:45am fred: ↳ Juli @9:41 To me art is what makes life worth living. Not sure my life is worth much though
	🥁 9:46am DJ Peter: LG: let's start a band called Trio (cubed) but it'll just be us two
	🥁 9:46am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 From the Department of Redundant Recdundancy...
	9:46am Juli: Hmmmm it's not yr life it's the ideas:::: I think my ideas are from somewhere else::: A lot of pain blood tears & drugs went into these ideas lol
	9:47am Juli: So I simply believe my ideas are worthwhile:: I achieved a small following & then it became dangerous.
	🥁 9:47am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 It could be the Third time they tried to get this trio together, of course.
	🥁 9:49am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:45 I'm not saying it's NOT your hearing (which does age, unfortunately), but: (a) trend of prioritizing effects and music over sound, (b) mixing done by filmmaker, (c) but streaming service puts the sound through another compressor to bring it in line with their other offerings, and (d) data compression. All conspire to make the dialogue inaudible. The YOUNGS are using captioning routinely now.
	9:49am Juli: Putting a lot of money into funding my art & music :::: J have to figure the eating element out:::: Need to get better
	🥁 9:49am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:46 Like the Threadgill Sextette
	🥁 9:49am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:49 Ye Olde Sextette
	9:51am fred: ↳ Juli @9:47 Ideas are worthwhile. Followings are indeed dangerous, they tend to calcify, which is not what you want in art (in business, you do, so it's a fork in the road)
	9:51am northguineahills: i think i detect a jason moran to this thread(gill).
	9:52am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @9:51 Birthday boy, JM!
	🥁 9:52am tom tom the pipers son: not against art grants, and when there was more support here, artists have produced good work with the support they got. for instance the wpa, but i've seen it taken for granted where there is support for art and produce mediocre work, not that hardship is is a prerequisite for making good work
	9:52am northguineahills: ↳ Juli @9:41 ain't it great to be a gransta?
	🥁 9:52am DJ Peter: ↳ fred @9:51 Love the way you put that. "it's a fork in the road"
	9:53am fred: ↳ northguineahills @9:51 NGH! Did you get your first paycheck?
	🥁 9:53am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @9:46 I should probably let that be your solo outing.
	🥁 9:54am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @9:49 (which had 7 musicians)
	🥁 9:55am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:53 "In other words, I am three."
	9:55am northguineahills: ↳ fred @9:53 yep, for four days...(i get two week's worth in 10 dasy...)
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Does this record exist? Why haven't I heard of it??
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @9:55 Yes, there's precedent!
	🥁 9:56am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:55 Limited edition. 3xCD and 2xDVD.
	9:58am Juli: ↳ fred @9:51 It's tuff to be motivated to make art in this environment lol But I'm going to
	9:59am Juli: ↳ northguineahills @9:52 Grandstar? I'm no gransta:don't know what that is so lol
	🥁 9:59am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:49 Have the captioning on at home all the time now (I just blamed being an alte kocker-old fart in Yiddish). I know about compression in pop/rock music, and the sound changes to increase volume of commercials, didn't realize how extensive it is.
	🥁 9:59am DJ Peter: If memory serves, CT played an unexpectedly tonal and lyrical piece (at the memorial).
	10:00am northguineahills: ↳ Juli @9:59 you need to be an art grantsta! 😜
	🥁 10:00am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Haven't seen it or heard it either.
	🥁 10:01am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:59 It's bad. It was bad to start and then gets processed and processed repeatedly. Almost like maybe there's an advantage to physical media.
	10:02am bigplanetnoise: Morning, Jeff G!
	🥁 10:02am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Available on Discogs-starting at $375 (and much higher from there0
	10:03am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @9:52 In the words of that prominent American philosopher, "when you reach a fork in the road, take it"
	10:03am Jeff Golick: ↳ bigplanetnoise @10:02 Howdy, bigplanetnoise!
	🥁 10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:03 you know yogi berra?
	🥁 10:04am DJ Peter: And that's the 4xLP version!
	🥁 10:06am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 He was a catcher?
	10:07am northguineahills: alright, gotta jam, seesyas!
	10:07am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 I never met him, sadly. But of course I know of him, what do you think I am, French?
	10:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @10:07 Take care, stay warm out there, ngh!
	10:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @10:06 Yup!
	🥁 10:11am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @10:02 "The Nice Price"?
	10:14am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 I am French, just messing with your mind
	🥁 10:18am chresti: My late older brother had a collection of baseball cards when he was a kid
	🥁 10:19am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Free Palestine: IV. Humayun - Nuris" by "John King" Pretty piece (keeping my mouth shut on the politics, though...)
	10:21am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and all other listeners!
	10:21am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:00 hello, hyde!
	10:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Understood! Though I have tremendous confidence in the ability of this group to maintain civility and good humor.
	10:22am Jeff Golick: Good morning to you, Andrew in Toronto!
	10:22am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:03 Good morning, Sem!
	🥁 10:22am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:21 hello AiT!
	10:22am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Hey, doc!
	🥁 10:23am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:22 Hi Andrew!
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~ Wakin' slow again - but hearing it all...
	10:25am Jeff Golick: Adam Shatz wrote engagingly about this John King piece in the Paris Reiview: www.theparisreview.org...
	10:26am Jeff Golick: Good to see you here, hearing, Revolution Rabbit Nov63.
	10:29am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:25 Thanks for the link, Jeff.
	🥁 10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @10:06 he was famous for malapropisms
	10:31am fred: @Juli: I recently had to have my picture taken for a work site. I wore a T-shirt where the print was on the inside, so nobody knew. The artist who made it doesn't know yet, I'll have to tell him. Point is, a lot of art is inside, so keep staying true to yourself, it matters more than you think
	🥁 10:31am Doug Schulkind: Adam Shatz writes so beautifully about so much that means so much to me.
	🥁 10:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:14 v funny, that follows, doesn't it, you are french, therefore you are messing with my mind have you ever heard of phil rizzuto?
	🥁 10:32am Listener Gregory: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 I think malapropism are more errors, in which someone uses the wrong word or makes up a word that sounds like the right one, like George W's "misunderestimate." Yogi's lines were more like Zen koans.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @10:31 That is very well put, fred.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:31 Speaking of well put, it's Doug Schulkind!
	🥁 10:33am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 Ah, my favorite thing
	🥁 10:33am Doug Schulkind: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:32 Well enough put, at least.
	10:34am Dean: Edward Said's brief book, a collection of lectures, Musical Elaborations, is worth reading. https://cup.columbia.edu/book/musical-elaborations/9780231073196 Just as this collection of impressive works of art in the public domain is worth browsing: https://artvee.com/
	10:35am Dean: (Shatz cites other works by Said.)
	🥁 10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:32 true, i'll look into it more, but i agree, it was just first word that occurred to me
	🥁 10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:32 i second that
	🥁 10:35am Doug Schulkind: Hey gang, I will be very extremely thrilled to be announcing a new addition to the Drummer Stream. Still waiting for the last final concluding bit of official confirmation, but we may very well have a new show joining the Drummer family as soon as this coming week. More details to come!
	10:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:35 Hello, Dean! From that Shatz piece: "By gathering young Arab and Israeli musicians in a common musical project, Said, who died in 2003, hoped to facilitate this voyage—not for the sake of “normalizing” relations between Israel and the Arab world (as its Arab critics would later charge) but rather to lay the groundwork for cooperation once Israel ended its occupation and Palestine achieved freedom. He described the Divan—now based in Seville, in the heart of what was once Muslim Spain—as “the most important thing I did in my life.”"
	10:37am wendy del formaggio: Good morning, Jeff and D:Oers.
	10:38am Jeff Golick: ↳ wendy del formaggio @10:37 Wassup, wendy! del! formaggio!
	10:38am wendy del formaggio: @Doug: YAY!
	10:38am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:31 No, there are limits to my fake Americanism
	10:39am Dean: I recall some relevant discussion in Musical Elaborations, certainly references to Barenboim, with whom he created the orchestra. Meanwhile, dig who's playing in these parts in a couple weeks: https://piedmontpiano.com/calendar/2024/2/2/trio-m
	10:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:35 Whoo hoo!
	10:40am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:39 Oh very nice, Dean. You'll go?
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:39 Sounds great!
	10:41am Dean: Making plans now, yes.
	🥁 10:42am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:38 he was a former baseball player the broadcaster who would go on long rambling tangents during the baseball game, the village voice had a column "the poetry of phill rizzuto' that transcribed the broadcasts
	🥁 10:43am Mxter Baba: greetings, Jeff and WFMU kins all! So grateful to be hear listening and chatting together
	10:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:42 That was a fantastically hysterical column, thanks for the memory. For those of us who came up outside of NYC, Phil was perhaps better known as the guy shilling for The Money Store.
	🥁 10:44am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:39 Wow, great group.
	10:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:43 Sweet hello to you, Mxter Baba!
	🥁 10:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:38 an example... My Secret When I'm driving To Yankee Stadium and back, I do it so often. I don't remember passing lights. I don't remember paying tolls Coming over the bridge. Going back over the bridge, I remember... Aug. 19, 1992 Oakland at NY Mike Moore pitching to Mel Hall
	🥁 10:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:43 yes it was, the "poetry' is collected in books...
	10:47am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:36 There was only one pumpernickel left at the Shelsky's. We can split it.
	🥁 10:47am chresti: Greetings Mixter Babakins!
	🥁 10:48am Mxter Baba: poetry, music, art, love—is all where you find it. bagels are at Shelsky's. chrestikins!!!!
	🥁 10:48am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:45 Wow that's good. I too am at my most poetic when not trying. When I'm trying it's doggerel.
	10:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @10:47 YaY! (Shelsky's?! Look at mr. fancy over here.)
	10:48am Robm: greetings fellow out listeners
	10:48am adamdoesit: doc and DJ Peter, I ran across a reddit post by someone who works in film sound, who claimed that everything's mixed for the explosions now, and that's why dialog gets lost.
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Robm!
	10:48am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:48 We deserved a treat, Jeff G.
	10:49am Robm: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:48 jeff
	🥁 10:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:48 that's not even none of the better ones iirc
	🥁 10:50am tom tom the pipers son: one
	10:51am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:45 Wow! That's great in a way
	🥁 10:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:51 he would go off like that live during the games
	🥁 10:52am tom tom the pipers son: he was a team mate of yogi berra
	🥁 10:53am WR: ↳ adamdoesit @10:48 explosions in a movie about Leonard Bernstein? 😜
	10:53am Dean: https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1993/03/12/issue.html On Rizzuto...
	🥁 10:55am DJ Peter: ↳ adamdoesit @10:48 Yes, I've seen similar discussions. That's the first step in the chain (the garbage going in) so once you start processing that... it only gets worse. I've actually been waiting to see if Damon Krukowski will take up the subject and he hasn't yet... or maybe he did and I just forgot. I listen to podcasts and sometimes forget I listened to them.
	10:56am Robm via app: @Dean have to log in and i don’t have an account with the times
	10:57am adamdoesit: ↳ WR @10:53 It wouldn't have been amiss. That movie lacked pyrotechnics of any kind.
	10:57am Dean: I thought Time Machine was open to all, nuts. Okay, hang on...
	🥁 10:57am hyde: i was deboning a chicken so i missed a lot of the above discussion, but what i can gather is that Phil Rizzuto is joining the Drummer Stream?
	10:57am Robm via app: @Dean no problem
	🥁 10:58am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @10:57 LOL
	🥁 10:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:53 thanks dean for this and the said links, i have his memoir ready to read
	10:59am Dean: How's this? https://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/sports/sports-of-the-sports-holy-cow-seaver-they-made-me-a-poet.html?unlocked_article_code=1.PU0.pGrw.a6nYGqw-BRB-&smid=url-share
	🥁 10:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ hyde @10:57 in the sky
	11:01am Robm via app: @Dean interesting thanks
	🥁 11:02am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:59 thanks dean, that is a better link, you don't have to search
	11:02am fred: ↳ Dean @10:59 Thanks for this!
	11:03am Dean: You're welcome, all.
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:57 The mix of lack of pyrotechnics (unless you count the body/facial movemennts of Bernstein), plus the dialog inaudibility, made it long to sit through.
	🥁 11:06am doctorjazz: Making a soup/broth.
	11:11am Robm: jeff i have not engaged anybody on this board or outside of this board, not really worth it to argue with people over
	🥁 11:11am Mxter Baba: Thanks for playing that and saying all this, Jeff. The sounds were beautiful and the thoughts are humble and sincere. That's all any of us could ever strive for.
	11:12am gabriel: naomi klein is great. and her book shock doctrine.
	🥁 11:13am tom tom the pipers son: i watched/ heard interviews with klein about doppelganger and there was no mention of israel palestine in book but maybe that was before oct 7th
	🥁 11:13am WR: Well put, Jeff, thank you.
	11:14am Robm: i agree well put dave
	🥁 11:14am DJ Peter: Thanks Jeff. I love this community not for being polite (silent), but for being civil (not afraid to disagree, but knowing that in exchange for speaking you have to listen).
	11:14am StringOFperils: I heard that piece as being aspirational in a greater sense. Hope beyond politics.
	11:14am mike cooper: thank you very much for echoing our feelings too
	11:15am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:14 you can agree to disagree without being an asshole about it
	🥁 11:16am DJ Peter: ↳ Robm @11:15 Exactly
	11:16am Jeff Golick: Thanks all for weighing in and sharing of yourselves. It's a tribute to your good spirit, in unison. Hi there to StringOFperils, mike cooper, gabriel.
	11:17am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @11:14 Yes, I hear it that way, too.
	🥁 11:17am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Ina Sade Dub (Christian Castagno Dub)" by "New Zi... I do disagree with the conclusions (Free Palestine has a very specific meaning-destroying the state of Israel). Definitely hate the right wing Israeli Government, but there isn't a simple solution out there...
	🥁 11:18am tom tom the pipers son: yeshuyahu liebowitz was an interesting israeli voice, though controversal to some
	11:19am WM: The Rosa Luxemburg quote is beautiful but also painfully naive. She was convinced that the European international proletariat would band together to stop World War I. She was stunned when each national Socialist party decided to back their own country. It was sad yet entirely predictable that she was wrong.
	11:19am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:16 and for what’s it worth, been shying away more when the conversations get political on here, i might say something that would get me into trouble
	🥁 11:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:17 doesn't free palestine just mean end the occupation?
	11:20am coelacanth∅: Jeff you're a prince
	11:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ WM @11:19 Hey, WM. I agree that there is a naivite in that quote, but sometimes we gotta have/state goals, even if unattainable.
	11:22am Sem: Oh yes, being a hat wearer, have great love for this Bob.
	11:22am Dean: All I know is that if you really won't to cause a ruckus, shout "Free Bird" in a crowded theater.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 There's been a lot of discussion about what various slogans and phrases mean; part of the problem (a small part, maybe) is that we can't even agree on what words mean.
	🥁 11:23am DJ Peter: ↳ Robm @11:19 Sure. Just because I trust this community doesn't mean that I trust a troll who wants to make my life miserable might find what I say here and take it out of context. ("But then the trolls win, they've silenced you." Perhaps they have.) I guess it's also a question not just of "not staying silent" but picking your moment to speak.
	11:23am Dean: ^want to...
	11:24am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:23 been learning to pick my battles more
	🥁 11:24am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 No-to most Palestinians it means "Right of return" (many millions of Palestinians who left or were forced out returning to their "homes". Many still wear keys around their neck of the old houses left in 1948, that they plan to return to), and dismantling the state of Israel. That's what they've been promised, told has to happen, and it makes a settlement very problematic. (I know some American leftists think of it as just leaving the West Bank and Gaza,, though Israel left Gaza, then Hamas took control and made it front line militarily).
	🥁 11:24am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:21 If you can't imagine it, then how can you work toward it? Lennon's "Imagine" is naive too, but also powerful.
	11:25am Robm: ↳ Robm @11:24 and ignoring the trolls
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Brand New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" by "Bob Dylan" The song is not improved by being played at half-speed. I hope this comment is not too controversial.
	11:26am adamdoesit: I've appreciated the refuge from political life that this board has afforded, but, like they say, whether or not you're interested in politics, politics is interested in you. Jeff G, I may disagree with your direction, but I respect your care, even when it's your show and you can say what you please.
	🥁 11:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:22 depends on context and who's saying them, but maybe language is insufficient idk
	11:26am Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:25 I wonder if playing it at double-speed would do the trick?
	🥁 11:26am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Brand New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" by "Bob Dylan" This isn't an "official bootleg" right? But it's gone all out and put the CBS logo right on there!
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:26 "whether or not you're interested in politics, politics is interested in you" -- love this, and you, thanks, adamdoesit.
	🥁 11:27am doctorjazz: I also understand Jeff's feelings on the subject-I wish it all didn't come down to what's going on now...
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:26 albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com...
	🥁 11:28am Listener Gregory: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @11:26 It's worth a try. One of the great things about this song is Dylan's ability to spew out the tag line at high speed (well, not here). Difficult to sing along to.
	11:29am gabriel: i'm trying to escape the reggae
	🥁 11:30am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:27 oh wow, i had totally forgotten about that blog
	🥁 11:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:24 thx, i appreciate the point of view, but were negotiators on the palestinian side like edward said looking for a "right to return"
	🥁 11:31am DJ Peter: Dig it! I think "The Cutitng Edge" actually released stems for "Like a Rolling Stone"? An invitation to remix! Cool cool cool.
	11:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ gabriel @11:29 Ahaha, whoops.
	🥁 11:36am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:30 The right to return is what torpedoed the closest thing to a settlement between Israel and Yasir Arafat The settlement would have had almost everything the Palestinians wanted, it was rejected. www.theguardian.com... Both sides became more extreme after the talks fell apart.
	11:36am Dean: Bryan Ferry? Olivia Newton-John? The Persuasions?
	🥁 11:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:36 thanks...
	🥁 11:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ DJ Peter @11:31 Boxsets of many CDs. Columbia doing it right - but I'll never afford it...
	🥁 11:41am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Changing of the Guards" by "Sunwatchers" This is a deep cut. Is it (originally) from a Dylan album?
	🥁 11:41am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:30 There are definitely intellectuals on the Palestinian side who seek coexistance and there are Israelis who do too,. But the main thrust of the Palestinians is getting rid of Israel, and return of generations of refugees, (The Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel,. Iran arms and finances them). I have friends there who try to make connections with Palestinians, forge some common bonds (it's all pretty much done since October 7)
	🥁 11:42am doctorjazz: (Sorry to spout off-been trying to keep quiet for the last hour...I have family there, strong feelings...)
	🥁 11:42am DJ Peter: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:38 I think for that one Columbia issued a "only somewhat crazy" 6 disks and a "one of us one of us" 18 disk set and then a "oh you like starbucks" 2 disk "best of" set
	🥁 11:43am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm a Leftist who generally conceives of Israel as Occupied Palestine - unilaterally installed by the British after WWII. What I am not is a historian or any kind of scholar or political scientist. It seems to me obvious that both Peoples have an indisputable History in the same real estate going back literally Millennia. Which should have helped - but has very much not. Failing to recognize & honor this... I'm not a fan of either Imperialism or Terrorism ...what was it you said about Words & definitions. Orwell terriortory...
	11:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @11:42 Understood, doc. It's not easy. Hope your family is ok.
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:41 The much reviled Street Legal!
	🥁 11:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think of a fellow in a PBS doc on Northern Ireland saying - they may still disagree - but decided they will not kill each other over it. Even Ireland has it easier than Palestine, obviously...
	🥁 11:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:41 i know, that's what the settlement that was attacked/slaughtered by hamas was doing, trying to forge bonds with with palestinians
	11:45am Dean: I remember the release of Street Legal. Was selling records at the time. It did turn a few heads.
	🥁 11:46am DJ Peter: Is that Richard Thompson singing "harmony"?
	11:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:46 Almost certainly.
	11:46am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @11:42 I feel you and appreciate you, doc.
	🥁 11:47am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Down in the Flood" by "Sandy Denny" I don't understand why Down In the Flood isn't played at high volume by every rock station on Friday afternoons... or why every rock cover band doesn't play it.
	11:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:47 one of those songs with no bad versions,,,
	🥁 11:48am doctorjazz: On the right of return-My parents were Concentration Camp Survivors, out of Poland cities. Maybe I can go back to Lodz and Klodowa and reclaoim their old houses...(part of why this hits me so hard...)
	🥁 11:48am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Down in the Flood" by "Sandy Denny" What is she DOING on this cover?
	🥁 11:49am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @11:48 Actually, I think you ought to have that right... but would you want to?
	🥁 11:49am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:49 I'd be dead in minutes....
	11:49am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:22 Great show! Thanks, Jeff!
	🥁 11:50am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @11:48 Reparations. Should everyone with European DNA leave the Western Hemisphere to First Nations ? I don't have an answer.
	🥁 11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Same suggest One larger democratic State is a better answer than Two States. Seems so rhetorical now...
	🥁 11:51am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:48 The album cover photo you mean? Is she reading tea leaves?
	11:52am Dean: It only just occurred to me that a book I might read to help me understand the background of the conflict is Sandy Tolan's The Lemon Tree. Anybody know it? He was the outgoing tenant at a house we rented in Berkeley when he landed a job at USC. I still use the chef's knife he gave me.
	🥁 11:52am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:51 *sOme
	🥁 11:52am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:51 Yes, the album cover. I hope that's what she's doing, though usually you do it in the cup, don't you?
	🥁 11:52am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:48 i think it's supposed to be an old timey apothecary shoppe and she's weighing out nostrums or some such
	🥁 11:53am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Exit Shivers" by "Ches Smith" This album didn't hit me the first listen. Then WOW hit me the second listen. Will report on third time through.
	🥁 11:53am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @11:52 Huh, you may be right! Though that also raises questions.
	🥁 11:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:52 meaningful to point out orwell. previously
	🥁 11:53am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:50 Financial reparatons could be a solution, but it isn't acceptable to the Palestinians, just actual return. If there's a way to do it with payments, that would be great. It probably goes on until eveyone has had enough of the killing, living with constant threat.
	🥁 11:53am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:52 Yeah I wondered about that too. But I don't know the ins and outs
	11:54am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:53 Yeah, it's a grower. Very hard album to sequence into a radio show!
	🥁 11:54am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:53 I think it only works on the even-numbered listens, unfortunately.
	🥁 11:54am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:54 Okay. Go Fourth and conquer
	🥁 11:55am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Zionist State occupying 'Israel' again when it's already Palestine - isn't this a kind of Right to Return ?
	🥁 11:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:55 ...1948, 1967...
	🥁 11:57am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:53 on the other side of palestinian return was there zionist intentions early on even, of removing palestinians
	11:57am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Exit Shivers" by "Ches Smith" Tremendous band here: Shara Lunon - voice and vocal processing Anna Webber - flute Oscar Noriega - clarinets James Brandon Lewis - tenor saxophone Nate Wooley - trumpet Jennifer Choi - violin Kyle Armbrust - viola Michael Nicolas - cello Shahzad Ismaily - bass and keyboards Ches Smith - electronics, programming, vibes, drums, tubular bells, glockenspiel, timpani, tam tam, metal percussion
	11:57am coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:43 yes it is basically an "occupation". but then, who was there first? -1000 years ago, 2000 years ago... islam was only invented (by men, for the purpose of oppression of women, and jews, and any other religion) <2000 years ago (much as catholicism was invented to suppress women and pagans, etc) that land was taken by violence and purging. ...but i despise the israelli government and always have. and the u.s., and the turks, and pakestan -etc etc
	11:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:57 This is one of the themes of Naomi Klein's Doppelganger book -- the mirror reflections of things, repeating endlessly, and yet somehow we are both sides.
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The more you Fight the more you become your Enemy.
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:57 Where's Mary Halvorson??
	🥁 11:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:58 yes i've been meaning to get that book, watched multiple interviews
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:59 ...as per - say - the USA's pathology re Stalinist 'Communism'...
	🥁 12:00pm hyde: thanks!
	🥁 12:00pm Listener Gregory: Great show, Jeff. Thanks a lot. Peace, everyone!
	🥁 12:00pm Doug Schulkind: Sublime stuff aka just another Sunday morning.
	🥁 12:00pm doctorjazz: Show's almost done , Thanks for letting me spout off. As Coela said, youi can go back as far as you like (and each side has the time periods they want to go back to). Great music, didn't get to comment on it much, but thanks as ever, Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:57 Rings true to me.
	🥁 12:00pm Yvang: Thanks Jeff!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! Happy birthday!
	🥁 12:00pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks a lot all, jeff...
	12:01pm mackeral: wonderful show
	12:01pm StringOFperils: Thank you, Jeff. Be well, all.
	12:09pm Jeff Golick: Thanks so much to all you beautiful people.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:30 (Pop-up)
Lesley Mok	floral and full "floral and full" by "Lesley Mok"	The Living Collection	American Dreams	2023		0:06:23 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	The Swamp People	The Complete Capitol & Atlantic Recordings of Jimmy Giuffre	Mosaic Records	1957/1997		0:15:59 (Pop-up)
Dan Peter Sundland's Home Stretch	Before the Fall	Before the Fall	Aut Records	2023		0:22:26 (Pop-up)
Jason Moran	Invocation "Invocation" by "Jason Moran"	MASS {Howl, eon}	Yes Records	2017		0:28:33 (Pop-up)
Jason Moran	Gangsterism in the Wind	BANGS	Yes Records	2017		0:38:58 (Pop-up)
Trio 3 + Jason Moran	Luthers Lament	Refraction - Breakin' Glass	Intakt Records	2013		0:42:35 (Pop-up)
Paul Motian, Chris Potter, Jason Moran	Be Careful It's My Heart	Lost in a Dream	ECM	2010		0:46:12 (Pop-up)
Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran	Sail	Celebrate Ornette	Song X Records	2016		0:49:04 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"					0:56:43 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: I. Sultani Yakah - Ijilil al-Qibliyya	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:01:52 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: II. Bayati Shuri - Al-Sarafand	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:05:51 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: III. Nahawand Murassah - Sabbarin	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:07:44 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: IV. Humayun - Nuris	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:12:12 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: V. Hijaz Kar Kurd Nahawand - Gaza	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:19:38 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: VI. Athar Kurd - Deir Yassin	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:20:44 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: VII. Hijaz Kar Kurd - Tulkarm	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:30:32 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: VIII. Nawa Athar Nahawand - Al-Quds	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:34:41 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: IX. Ushaq Masri - Umm Khalid	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:38:39 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: X. Nikriz - Qamun	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:40:52 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: XI. Athar Kurd Hijaz - Rafah	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:43:48 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: XII. Rast - Ma'alul	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:46:26 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: XIII. Kurd Nahawand - Qalunya	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:51:41 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: XIV. Huzam - Khan Yunis	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		1:55:50 (Pop-up)
John King	Free Palestine: XV. Hisar Nahawand - Saffuriya	Free Palestine	New World Records	2017		2:01:51 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: New Zion Trio	Ina Sade Dub (Christian Castagno Dub)					2:06:05 (Pop-up)
The Spike Orchestra	Levushim "Levushim" by "The Spike Orchestra"	Binah	Tzadik	2017	Masada Book 3 - The Book Beri'ah – 3	2:13:34 (Pop-up)
Bob Dylan	Brand New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat	Medicine Sunday	[boot]	1966		2:21:19 (Pop-up)
The Heptones	I Shall Be Released "I Shall Be Released" by "The Heptones"	Party Time	Island Records	1977		2:27:44 (Pop-up)
Yo La Tengo	It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry	Sleepless Night	Matador	2020		2:31:07 (Pop-up)
Karate	Tears of Rage "Tears of Rage" by "Karate"	In the Fishtank 12	Konkurrent	2005		2:33:43 (Pop-up)
Sunwatchers	Changing of the Guards	Aquarium Drunkard: Lagniappe Sessions - Sunwatchers	Aquarium Drunkard	2018		2:37:54 (Pop-up)
Sandy Denny	Down in the Flood "Down in the Flood" by "Sandy Denny"	The North Star Grassman and the Ravens	A&M Records	1971		2:44:40 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Chaz Jankel	To Woo Lady Kong "To Woo Lady Kong" by "Chaz Jankel"					2:47:54 (Pop-up)
Ches Smith	Exit Shivers "Exit Shivers" by "Ches Smith"	Laugh Ash	Pyroclastic Records	2024		2:51:52 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:59:23 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 9:00am hyde: hello!
	9:00am Jeff Golick: Hiya, hyde! How goes?
	9:01am Stork: Hiya hoya hoe-ya!
	🥁 9:01am Yvang: Long time no see! Hi Jeff and D:O radioland!
	🥁 9:02am DJ Peter: Hi Hyde, Stork, Yvang! Nice show last night, Jeff!
	🥁 9:02am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:00 not bad. just ate a waffle and am about to roast some vegetables
	🥁 9:02am hyde: ↳ DJ Peter @9:02 hiya DJP
	🥁 9:02am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @9:02 That seems like the best sequence.
	9:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:01 It's a hoedown! Hellos, Stork! Greetings, Yvang! Good (early?) morn, DJ Peter, and thanks!
	🥁 9:02am Yvang: ↳ DJ Peter @9:02 Hi DJ Peter!
	9:03am Sem: Hello and good morning, Jeff, Hyde, Yvang, the Storch, DJ Peter, jazzbos of all ilks, and ilks still undecided.
	9:03am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:04am fred: Good morning Jeff and all maybe not going out today
	🥁 9:05am hyde: Baikida Carroll's birthday this past week too!
	9:06am alanr: and....another sunday morning buenos días from a not so cold Mexico city. Baking my standard røgbrot (bread), so, music for rising would be nice!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: Hallos, @Sem! listener james from westwood! fred! alanr! Buenos dias!
	9:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:05 Oh nice! On MLK Day; tough competition.
	9:09am Listener Gregory: Good morning from the shower.
	🥁 9:09am tom tom the pipers son: greetings jeff and people... baby it's cold out there....
	9:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:09 Keep it clean, Listener Gregory!
	🥁 9:10am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:08 Charlie Kohlhase did a nice Carroll tribute on his Research and Development show on WMBR that day
	9:10am fred: I saw David Grubbs yesterday; mastery without virtuosity, good show
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Hello there, tom tom the pipers son!
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:10 Oh that's excellent. Does that station archive shows?
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:10 Very cool, fred. Was it Grubbs solo?
	9:12am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 Yep
	🥁 9:14am Yvang: ↳ Sem @9:03 Hi Sem!
	🥁 9:15am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 yeah, they're archived for two weeks here: wmbr.org... His show the previous Monday has a great Thurman Barker tribute, I think he's trying to do ones for the people who are still around
	9:15am Jeff Golick: Mok's band: David Leon - alto saxophone, soprano saxophone, flute, alto flute Yuma Uesaka - tenor saxophone, Bb clarinet, contraalto clarinet Adam O'Farrill - trumpet Kalun Leung - trombone Cory Smythe - piano Joanna Mattrey - viola Aliya Ultan - cello Florian Herzog - bass Weston Olencki - electronics Lesley Mok - drums
	9:17am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:15 Oh, thanks, hyde. I should do that more (celebrate the still-around).
	9:17am fred: I said yesterday but it was actually two days ago (I hope days with nothing don't count, my body begs to differ)
	🥁 9:17am doctorjazz: Hi Jeff, long time no see!
	🥁 9:19am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: Welcome back, nice to see ya, doctorjazz!
	9:19am adamdoesit: Good morning, Jeff G and listeners. It's cold out, and bold:OUT!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @9:19 Happy day, chresti!
	🥁 9:21am WR: Hello Jeff and destination folks
	🥁 9:23am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Swamp People" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Great Band!
	9:23am Jeff Golick: adamdoesit! WR! In from the cold to warm things up!
	9:23am fred: I also saw young Isreali choreographers who are really promising. I liked Misan Miso Samara best, but Lal'el Pillora has a sense of humor that could carry her to fame fast
	🥁 9:25am tom tom the pipers son: sounded like piano had a strange effect on it in beginning then went away
	9:25am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:23 I envy your performance outings, fred.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:25 Yes, like an altered tack piano?
	🥁 9:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 u huh
	9:26am Jeff Golick: I did venture out to see Poor Things yesterday on a big screen. Still thinking about it.
	🥁 9:26am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:25 Yeah, where did it go? Detuned?
	🥁 9:28am tom tom the pipers son: right, it's a mystery how it went away
	🥁 9:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 probably going tomorrow
	9:30am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:25 To be honest, I see far fewer shows these days (conflicts between dance and music, plus the awful prep for the Olympics). Dance+ music I barely saw 100 last year, sucks
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @9:30 Well you've got me well beat, fred. Paris has the Olympics this summer, is that right? That...sounds rough, honestly.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:29 Curious to hear what you think. I thought it used music extremely well.
	9:33am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 listenmissy and I loved Poor Things. So funny, shocking, and strange -- especially the music! The dance sequence (a Lanthimos movie fixture) did not disappoint. Tried to watch Maestro last night and, no. How could anyone make such a shallow movie about such a deep man?
	9:34am northguineahills: here. gotta run back to nyc from upstate. i have a 3 month sublet in sunset park. and i think i have a two week sub for the next two weeks in bushwick. (i can't wait until i don't have to worry about where I lay my head).
	9:34am mic_a: I once knew an upright player piano that had a 'tack' set of metal tabs on fabric nubs mounted to a full-width horizontal bar which raised and lowered between the hammers and strings with a handy pull lever. So you could turn the tacks 'on & off' in an instant. Ah, yes, still hanging in. Hello and best, Jeff and everyone.
	9:35am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @9:34 Hooray northguineahills! May you find peaceful rest soon.
	9:35am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	🥁 9:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:32 the version of an elton john song in the favourite was well chosen, another version of the song is pure schmaltz...skyline pigeon
	9:35am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 This will be hell. Looks like I'll have to apply for a special permit to get to work. Many friends plan to leave the city, if London gives an idea they probably won't afford to come back. After the COVID purge, this might kill arts in Paris for a long time
	9:36am adamdoesit: Stepping out for bagels. Back in a bit.
	9:36am Jeff Golick: That is cool, mic_a! As are you! Nice to see ya. Good morn, coelacanth∅!
	9:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @9:36 Pumpernickel everything, pls?
	🥁 9:37am WR: ↳ Song: "Invocation" by "Jason Moran" A trio, keyboard, trumpet, drums. jasonmoran.bandcamp.com... there is utoob link to vid about composing & recording.
	🥁 9:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @9:34 it's amazing how well you're coping
	🥁 9:37am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @9:36 Get Me an onion or garlic bagel. Thanks.
	🥁 9:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ mic_a @9:34 ah thank you...
	9:40am Juli: Gangsters for love sounds alright.
	🥁 9:40am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @9:33 Didn't love Maestro either, saw it in a theater, hard to even understand most of the dialog, fast quiet mumbling at the ground.
	9:41am mic_a: If you played reeeeal softly you could get this wonderful sound of just the tack hitting the string but no hammer.
	9:41am Juli: Are Art Grants gangsterism? Art about love & mercy & justice is important yet there isn't enough money to the arts Acting like artists don't deserve support:::{
	🥁 9:42am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:40 That's worrisome. Difficulty hearing dialog while streaming at home -- well documented. Difficulty in theater -- that's bad.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: Hey, Juli! I'm gonna need more coffee before venturing any kind of answer. Welcome.
	9:42am Juli: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 Need more too lol Cleaning & coffee & your show please:::}
	🥁 9:43am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @9:40 and bernstein had such a genteel speaking voice
	9:44am Juli: I started being spoken to & stalked from a Twitter following::: Made me delete Twitter.
	9:44am Listener Gregory: The group name Trio 3 just makes it so clear.
	🥁 9:45am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 LOL
	9:45am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 Just missing the III.
	🥁 9:45am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:42 Would've been much better at home (put on the subtitles...), the opposite of what we expected. (My hearing is aging, not the best, but MsJazz is OK, ad she had the same problem). Possible it was the theater, but it was a fancy, high end place, big, reclining widely spaced seats, etc...
	9:45am fred: ↳ Juli @9:41 To me art is what makes life worth living. Not sure my life is worth much though
	🥁 9:46am DJ Peter: LG: let's start a band called Trio (cubed) but it'll just be us two
	🥁 9:46am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 From the Department of Redundant Recdundancy...
	9:46am Juli: Hmmmm it's not yr life it's the ideas:::: I think my ideas are from somewhere else::: A lot of pain blood tears & drugs went into these ideas lol
	9:47am Juli: So I simply believe my ideas are worthwhile:: I achieved a small following & then it became dangerous.
	🥁 9:47am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:44 It could be the Third time they tried to get this trio together, of course.
	🥁 9:49am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:45 I'm not saying it's NOT your hearing (which does age, unfortunately), but: (a) trend of prioritizing effects and music over sound, (b) mixing done by filmmaker, (c) but streaming service puts the sound through another compressor to bring it in line with their other offerings, and (d) data compression. All conspire to make the dialogue inaudible. The YOUNGS are using captioning routinely now.
	9:49am Juli: Putting a lot of money into funding my art & music :::: J have to figure the eating element out:::: Need to get better
	🥁 9:49am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:46 Like the Threadgill Sextette
	🥁 9:49am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:49 Ye Olde Sextette
	9:51am fred: ↳ Juli @9:47 Ideas are worthwhile. Followings are indeed dangerous, they tend to calcify, which is not what you want in art (in business, you do, so it's a fork in the road)
	9:51am northguineahills: i think i detect a jason moran to this thread(gill).
	9:52am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @9:51 Birthday boy, JM!
	🥁 9:52am tom tom the pipers son: not against art grants, and when there was more support here, artists have produced good work with the support they got. for instance the wpa, but i've seen it taken for granted where there is support for art and produce mediocre work, not that hardship is is a prerequisite for making good work
	9:52am northguineahills: ↳ Juli @9:41 ain't it great to be a gransta?
	🥁 9:52am DJ Peter: ↳ fred @9:51 Love the way you put that. "it's a fork in the road"
	9:53am fred: ↳ northguineahills @9:51 NGH! Did you get your first paycheck?
	🥁 9:53am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @9:46 I should probably let that be your solo outing.
	🥁 9:54am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @9:49 (which had 7 musicians)
	🥁 9:55am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:53 "In other words, I am three."
	9:55am northguineahills: ↳ fred @9:53 yep, for four days...(i get two week's worth in 10 dasy...)
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Does this record exist? Why haven't I heard of it??
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @9:55 Yes, there's precedent!
	🥁 9:56am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:55 Limited edition. 3xCD and 2xDVD.
	9:58am Juli: ↳ fred @9:51 It's tuff to be motivated to make art in this environment lol But I'm going to
	9:59am Juli: ↳ northguineahills @9:52 Grandstar? I'm no gransta:don't know what that is so lol
	🥁 9:59am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @9:49 Have the captioning on at home all the time now (I just blamed being an alte kocker-old fart in Yiddish). I know about compression in pop/rock music, and the sound changes to increase volume of commercials, didn't realize how extensive it is.
	🥁 9:59am DJ Peter: If memory serves, CT played an unexpectedly tonal and lyrical piece (at the memorial).
	10:00am northguineahills: ↳ Juli @9:59 you need to be an art grantsta! 😜
	🥁 10:00am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Haven't seen it or heard it either.
	🥁 10:01am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @9:59 It's bad. It was bad to start and then gets processed and processed repeatedly. Almost like maybe there's an advantage to physical media.
	10:02am bigplanetnoise: Morning, Jeff G!
	🥁 10:02am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Sail" by "Henry Threadgill & Jason Moran" Available on Discogs-starting at $375 (and much higher from there0
	10:03am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @9:52 In the words of that prominent American philosopher, "when you reach a fork in the road, take it"
	10:03am Jeff Golick: ↳ bigplanetnoise @10:02 Howdy, bigplanetnoise!
	🥁 10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:03 you know yogi berra?
	🥁 10:04am DJ Peter: And that's the 4xLP version!
	🥁 10:06am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 He was a catcher?
	10:07am northguineahills: alright, gotta jam, seesyas!
	10:07am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 I never met him, sadly. But of course I know of him, what do you think I am, French?
	10:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ northguineahills @10:07 Take care, stay warm out there, ngh!
	10:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @10:06 Yup!
	🥁 10:11am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @10:02 "The Nice Price"?
	10:14am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 I am French, just messing with your mind
	🥁 10:18am chresti: My late older brother had a collection of baseball cards when he was a kid
	🥁 10:19am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Free Palestine: IV. Humayun - Nuris" by "John King" Pretty piece (keeping my mouth shut on the politics, though...)
	10:21am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and all other listeners!
	10:21am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:00 hello, hyde!
	10:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Understood! Though I have tremendous confidence in the ability of this group to maintain civility and good humor.
	10:22am Jeff Golick: Good morning to you, Andrew in Toronto!
	10:22am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:03 Good morning, Sem!
	🥁 10:22am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:21 hello AiT!
	10:22am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Hey, doc!
	🥁 10:23am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:22 Hi Andrew!
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~ Wakin' slow again - but hearing it all...
	10:25am Jeff Golick: Adam Shatz wrote engagingly about this John King piece in the Paris Reiview: www.theparisreview.org...
	10:26am Jeff Golick: Good to see you here, hearing, Revolution Rabbit Nov63.
	10:29am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:25 Thanks for the link, Jeff.
	🥁 10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @10:06 he was famous for malapropisms
	10:31am fred: @Juli: I recently had to have my picture taken for a work site. I wore a T-shirt where the print was on the inside, so nobody knew. The artist who made it doesn't know yet, I'll have to tell him. Point is, a lot of art is inside, so keep staying true to yourself, it matters more than you think
	🥁 10:31am Doug Schulkind: Adam Shatz writes so beautifully about so much that means so much to me.
	🥁 10:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:14 v funny, that follows, doesn't it, you are french, therefore you are messing with my mind have you ever heard of phil rizzuto?
	🥁 10:32am Listener Gregory: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 I think malapropism are more errors, in which someone uses the wrong word or makes up a word that sounds like the right one, like George W's "misunderestimate." Yogi's lines were more like Zen koans.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @10:31 That is very well put, fred.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:31 Speaking of well put, it's Doug Schulkind!
	🥁 10:33am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 Ah, my favorite thing
	🥁 10:33am Doug Schulkind: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:32 Well enough put, at least.
	10:34am Dean: Edward Said's brief book, a collection of lectures, Musical Elaborations, is worth reading. https://cup.columbia.edu/book/musical-elaborations/9780231073196 Just as this collection of impressive works of art in the public domain is worth browsing: https://artvee.com/
	10:35am Dean: (Shatz cites other works by Said.)
	🥁 10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:32 true, i'll look into it more, but i agree, it was just first word that occurred to me
	🥁 10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:32 i second that
	🥁 10:35am Doug Schulkind: Hey gang, I will be very extremely thrilled to be announcing a new addition to the Drummer Stream. Still waiting for the last final concluding bit of official confirmation, but we may very well have a new show joining the Drummer family as soon as this coming week. More details to come!
	10:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:35 Hello, Dean! From that Shatz piece: "By gathering young Arab and Israeli musicians in a common musical project, Said, who died in 2003, hoped to facilitate this voyage—not for the sake of “normalizing” relations between Israel and the Arab world (as its Arab critics would later charge) but rather to lay the groundwork for cooperation once Israel ended its occupation and Palestine achieved freedom. He described the Divan—now based in Seville, in the heart of what was once Muslim Spain—as “the most important thing I did in my life.”"
	10:37am wendy del formaggio: Good morning, Jeff and D:Oers.
	10:38am Jeff Golick: ↳ wendy del formaggio @10:37 Wassup, wendy! del! formaggio!
	10:38am wendy del formaggio: @Doug: YAY!
	10:38am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:31 No, there are limits to my fake Americanism
	10:39am Dean: I recall some relevant discussion in Musical Elaborations, certainly references to Barenboim, with whom he created the orchestra. Meanwhile, dig who's playing in these parts in a couple weeks: https://piedmontpiano.com/calendar/2024/2/2/trio-m
	10:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:35 Whoo hoo!
	10:40am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:39 Oh very nice, Dean. You'll go?
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:39 Sounds great!
	10:41am Dean: Making plans now, yes.
	🥁 10:42am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:38 he was a former baseball player the broadcaster who would go on long rambling tangents during the baseball game, the village voice had a column "the poetry of phill rizzuto' that transcribed the broadcasts
	🥁 10:43am Mxter Baba: greetings, Jeff and WFMU kins all! So grateful to be hear listening and chatting together
	10:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:42 That was a fantastically hysterical column, thanks for the memory. For those of us who came up outside of NYC, Phil was perhaps better known as the guy shilling for The Money Store.
	🥁 10:44am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:39 Wow, great group.
	10:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:43 Sweet hello to you, Mxter Baba!
	🥁 10:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:38 an example... My Secret When I'm driving To Yankee Stadium and back, I do it so often. I don't remember passing lights. I don't remember paying tolls Coming over the bridge. Going back over the bridge, I remember... Aug. 19, 1992 Oakland at NY Mike Moore pitching to Mel Hall
	🥁 10:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:43 yes it was, the "poetry' is collected in books...
	10:47am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:36 There was only one pumpernickel left at the Shelsky's. We can split it.
	🥁 10:47am chresti: Greetings Mixter Babakins!
	🥁 10:48am Mxter Baba: poetry, music, art, love—is all where you find it. bagels are at Shelsky's. chrestikins!!!!
	🥁 10:48am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:45 Wow that's good. I too am at my most poetic when not trying. When I'm trying it's doggerel.
	10:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @10:47 YaY! (Shelsky's?! Look at mr. fancy over here.)
	10:48am Robm: greetings fellow out listeners
	10:48am adamdoesit: doc and DJ Peter, I ran across a reddit post by someone who works in film sound, who claimed that everything's mixed for the explosions now, and that's why dialog gets lost.
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Robm!
	10:48am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:48 We deserved a treat, Jeff G.
	10:49am Robm: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:48 jeff
	🥁 10:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:48 that's not even none of the better ones iirc
	🥁 10:50am tom tom the pipers son: one
	10:51am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:45 Wow! That's great in a way
	🥁 10:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @10:51 he would go off like that live during the games
	🥁 10:52am tom tom the pipers son: he was a team mate of yogi berra
	🥁 10:53am WR: ↳ adamdoesit @10:48 explosions in a movie about Leonard Bernstein? 😜
	10:53am Dean: https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1993/03/12/issue.html On Rizzuto...
	🥁 10:55am DJ Peter: ↳ adamdoesit @10:48 Yes, I've seen similar discussions. That's the first step in the chain (the garbage going in) so once you start processing that... it only gets worse. I've actually been waiting to see if Damon Krukowski will take up the subject and he hasn't yet... or maybe he did and I just forgot. I listen to podcasts and sometimes forget I listened to them.
	10:56am Robm via app: @Dean have to log in and i don’t have an account with the times
	10:57am adamdoesit: ↳ WR @10:53 It wouldn't have been amiss. That movie lacked pyrotechnics of any kind.
	10:57am Dean: I thought Time Machine was open to all, nuts. Okay, hang on...
	🥁 10:57am hyde: i was deboning a chicken so i missed a lot of the above discussion, but what i can gather is that Phil Rizzuto is joining the Drummer Stream?
	10:57am Robm via app: @Dean no problem
	🥁 10:58am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @10:57 LOL
	🥁 10:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:53 thanks dean for this and the said links, i have his memoir ready to read
	10:59am Dean: How's this? https://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/sports/sports-of-the-sports-holy-cow-seaver-they-made-me-a-poet.html?unlocked_article_code=1.PU0.pGrw.a6nYGqw-BRB-&smid=url-share
	🥁 10:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ hyde @10:57 in the sky
	11:01am Robm via app: @Dean interesting thanks
	🥁 11:02am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:59 thanks dean, that is a better link, you don't have to search
	11:02am fred: ↳ Dean @10:59 Thanks for this!
	11:03am Dean: You're welcome, all.
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:57 The mix of lack of pyrotechnics (unless you count the body/facial movemennts of Bernstein), plus the dialog inaudibility, made it long to sit through.
	🥁 11:06am doctorjazz: Making a soup/broth.
	11:11am Robm: jeff i have not engaged anybody on this board or outside of this board, not really worth it to argue with people over
	🥁 11:11am Mxter Baba: Thanks for playing that and saying all this, Jeff. The sounds were beautiful and the thoughts are humble and sincere. That's all any of us could ever strive for.
	11:12am gabriel: naomi klein is great. and her book shock doctrine.
	🥁 11:13am tom tom the pipers son: i watched/ heard interviews with klein about doppelganger and there was no mention of israel palestine in book but maybe that was before oct 7th
	🥁 11:13am WR: Well put, Jeff, thank you.
	11:14am Robm: i agree well put dave
	🥁 11:14am DJ Peter: Thanks Jeff. I love this community not for being polite (silent), but for being civil (not afraid to disagree, but knowing that in exchange for speaking you have to listen).
	11:14am StringOFperils: I heard that piece as being aspirational in a greater sense. Hope beyond politics.
	11:14am mike cooper: thank you very much for echoing our feelings too
	11:15am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:14 you can agree to disagree without being an asshole about it
	🥁 11:16am DJ Peter: ↳ Robm @11:15 Exactly
	11:16am Jeff Golick: Thanks all for weighing in and sharing of yourselves. It's a tribute to your good spirit, in unison. Hi there to StringOFperils, mike cooper, gabriel.
	11:17am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @11:14 Yes, I hear it that way, too.
	🥁 11:17am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Ina Sade Dub (Christian Castagno Dub)" by "New Zi... I do disagree with the conclusions (Free Palestine has a very specific meaning-destroying the state of Israel). Definitely hate the right wing Israeli Government, but there isn't a simple solution out there...
	🥁 11:18am tom tom the pipers son: yeshuyahu liebowitz was an interesting israeli voice, though controversal to some
	11:19am WM: The Rosa Luxemburg quote is beautiful but also painfully naive. She was convinced that the European international proletariat would band together to stop World War I. She was stunned when each national Socialist party decided to back their own country. It was sad yet entirely predictable that she was wrong.
	11:19am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:16 and for what’s it worth, been shying away more when the conversations get political on here, i might say something that would get me into trouble
	🥁 11:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:17 doesn't free palestine just mean end the occupation?
	11:20am coelacanth∅: Jeff you're a prince
	11:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ WM @11:19 Hey, WM. I agree that there is a naivite in that quote, but sometimes we gotta have/state goals, even if unattainable.
	11:22am Sem: Oh yes, being a hat wearer, have great love for this Bob.
	11:22am Dean: All I know is that if you really won't to cause a ruckus, shout "Free Bird" in a crowded theater.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 There's been a lot of discussion about what various slogans and phrases mean; part of the problem (a small part, maybe) is that we can't even agree on what words mean.
	🥁 11:23am DJ Peter: ↳ Robm @11:19 Sure. Just because I trust this community doesn't mean that I trust a troll who wants to make my life miserable might find what I say here and take it out of context. ("But then the trolls win, they've silenced you." Perhaps they have.) I guess it's also a question not just of "not staying silent" but picking your moment to speak.
	11:23am Dean: ^want to...
	11:24am Robm: ↳ DJ Peter @11:23 been learning to pick my battles more
	🥁 11:24am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 No-to most Palestinians it means "Right of return" (many millions of Palestinians who left or were forced out returning to their "homes". Many still wear keys around their neck of the old houses left in 1948, that they plan to return to), and dismantling the state of Israel. That's what they've been promised, told has to happen, and it makes a settlement very problematic. (I know some American leftists think of it as just leaving the West Bank and Gaza,, though Israel left Gaza, then Hamas took control and made it front line militarily).
	🥁 11:24am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:21 If you can't imagine it, then how can you work toward it? Lennon's "Imagine" is naive too, but also powerful.
	11:25am Robm: ↳ Robm @11:24 and ignoring the trolls
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Brand New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" by "Bob Dylan" The song is not improved by being played at half-speed. I hope this comment is not too controversial.
	11:26am adamdoesit: I've appreciated the refuge from political life that this board has afforded, but, like they say, whether or not you're interested in politics, politics is interested in you. Jeff G, I may disagree with your direction, but I respect your care, even when it's your show and you can say what you please.
	🥁 11:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:22 depends on context and who's saying them, but maybe language is insufficient idk
	11:26am Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:25 I wonder if playing it at double-speed would do the trick?
	🥁 11:26am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Brand New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" by "Bob Dylan" This isn't an "official bootleg" right? But it's gone all out and put the CBS logo right on there!
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:26 "whether or not you're interested in politics, politics is interested in you" -- love this, and you, thanks, adamdoesit.
	🥁 11:27am doctorjazz: I also understand Jeff's feelings on the subject-I wish it all didn't come down to what's going on now...
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:26 albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com...
	🥁 11:28am Listener Gregory: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @11:26 It's worth a try. One of the great things about this song is Dylan's ability to spew out the tag line at high speed (well, not here). Difficult to sing along to.
	11:29am gabriel: i'm trying to escape the reggae
	🥁 11:30am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:27 oh wow, i had totally forgotten about that blog
	🥁 11:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:24 thx, i appreciate the point of view, but were negotiators on the palestinian side like edward said looking for a "right to return"
	🥁 11:31am DJ Peter: Dig it! I think "The Cutitng Edge" actually released stems for "Like a Rolling Stone"? An invitation to remix! Cool cool cool.
	11:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ gabriel @11:29 Ahaha, whoops.
	🥁 11:36am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:30 The right to return is what torpedoed the closest thing to a settlement between Israel and Yasir Arafat The settlement would have had almost everything the Palestinians wanted, it was rejected. www.theguardian.com... Both sides became more extreme after the talks fell apart.
	11:36am Dean: Bryan Ferry? Olivia Newton-John? The Persuasions?
	🥁 11:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:36 thanks...
	🥁 11:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ DJ Peter @11:31 Boxsets of many CDs. Columbia doing it right - but I'll never afford it...
	🥁 11:41am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Changing of the Guards" by "Sunwatchers" This is a deep cut. Is it (originally) from a Dylan album?
	🥁 11:41am doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:30 There are definitely intellectuals on the Palestinian side who seek coexistance and there are Israelis who do too,. But the main thrust of the Palestinians is getting rid of Israel, and return of generations of refugees, (The Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel,. Iran arms and finances them). I have friends there who try to make connections with Palestinians, forge some common bonds (it's all pretty much done since October 7)
	🥁 11:42am doctorjazz: (Sorry to spout off-been trying to keep quiet for the last hour...I have family there, strong feelings...)
	🥁 11:42am DJ Peter: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:38 I think for that one Columbia issued a "only somewhat crazy" 6 disks and a "one of us one of us" 18 disk set and then a "oh you like starbucks" 2 disk "best of" set
	🥁 11:43am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm a Leftist who generally conceives of Israel as Occupied Palestine - unilaterally installed by the British after WWII. What I am not is a historian or any kind of scholar or political scientist. It seems to me obvious that both Peoples have an indisputable History in the same real estate going back literally Millennia. Which should have helped - but has very much not. Failing to recognize & honor this... I'm not a fan of either Imperialism or Terrorism ...what was it you said about Words & definitions. Orwell terriortory...
	11:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @11:42 Understood, doc. It's not easy. Hope your family is ok.
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:41 The much reviled Street Legal!
	🥁 11:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think of a fellow in a PBS doc on Northern Ireland saying - they may still disagree - but decided they will not kill each other over it. Even Ireland has it easier than Palestine, obviously...
	🥁 11:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:41 i know, that's what the settlement that was attacked/slaughtered by hamas was doing, trying to forge bonds with with palestinians
	11:45am Dean: I remember the release of Street Legal. Was selling records at the time. It did turn a few heads.
	🥁 11:46am DJ Peter: Is that Richard Thompson singing "harmony"?
	11:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:46 Almost certainly.
	11:46am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @11:42 I feel you and appreciate you, doc.
	🥁 11:47am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Down in the Flood" by "Sandy Denny" I don't understand why Down In the Flood isn't played at high volume by every rock station on Friday afternoons... or why every rock cover band doesn't play it.
	11:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:47 one of those songs with no bad versions,,,
	🥁 11:48am doctorjazz: On the right of return-My parents were Concentration Camp Survivors, out of Poland cities. Maybe I can go back to Lodz and Klodowa and reclaoim their old houses...(part of why this hits me so hard...)
	🥁 11:48am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Down in the Flood" by "Sandy Denny" What is she DOING on this cover?
	🥁 11:49am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @11:48 Actually, I think you ought to have that right... but would you want to?
	🥁 11:49am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:49 I'd be dead in minutes....
	11:49am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:22 Great show! Thanks, Jeff!
	🥁 11:50am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @11:48 Reparations. Should everyone with European DNA leave the Western Hemisphere to First Nations ? I don't have an answer.
	🥁 11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Same suggest One larger democratic State is a better answer than Two States. Seems so rhetorical now...
	🥁 11:51am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:48 The album cover photo you mean? Is she reading tea leaves?
	11:52am Dean: It only just occurred to me that a book I might read to help me understand the background of the conflict is Sandy Tolan's The Lemon Tree. Anybody know it? He was the outgoing tenant at a house we rented in Berkeley when he landed a job at USC. I still use the chef's knife he gave me.
	🥁 11:52am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:51 *sOme
	🥁 11:52am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:51 Yes, the album cover. I hope that's what she's doing, though usually you do it in the cup, don't you?
	🥁 11:52am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:48 i think it's supposed to be an old timey apothecary shoppe and she's weighing out nostrums or some such
	🥁 11:53am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Exit Shivers" by "Ches Smith" This album didn't hit me the first listen. Then WOW hit me the second listen. Will report on third time through.
	🥁 11:53am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @11:52 Huh, you may be right! Though that also raises questions.
	🥁 11:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:52 meaningful to point out orwell. previously
	🥁 11:53am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:50 Financial reparatons could be a solution, but it isn't acceptable to the Palestinians, just actual return. If there's a way to do it with payments, that would be great. It probably goes on until eveyone has had enough of the killing, living with constant threat.
	🥁 11:53am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:52 Yeah I wondered about that too. But I don't know the ins and outs
	11:54am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:53 Yeah, it's a grower. Very hard album to sequence into a radio show!
	🥁 11:54am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:53 I think it only works on the even-numbered listens, unfortunately.
	🥁 11:54am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:54 Okay. Go Fourth and conquer
	🥁 11:55am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Zionist State occupying 'Israel' again when it's already Palestine - isn't this a kind of Right to Return ?
	🥁 11:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:55 ...1948, 1967...
	🥁 11:57am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @11:53 on the other side of palestinian return was there zionist intentions early on even, of removing palestinians
	11:57am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Exit Shivers" by "Ches Smith" Tremendous band here: Shara Lunon - voice and vocal processing Anna Webber - flute Oscar Noriega - clarinets James Brandon Lewis - tenor saxophone Nate Wooley - trumpet Jennifer Choi - violin Kyle Armbrust - viola Michael Nicolas - cello Shahzad Ismaily - bass and keyboards Ches Smith - electronics, programming, vibes, drums, tubular bells, glockenspiel, timpani, tam tam, metal percussion
	11:57am coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:43 yes it is basically an "occupation". but then, who was there first? -1000 years ago, 2000 years ago... islam was only invented (by men, for the purpose of oppression of women, and jews, and any other religion) <2000 years ago (much as catholicism was invented to suppress women and pagans, etc) that land was taken by violence and purging. ...but i despise the israelli government and always have. and the u.s., and the turks, and pakestan -etc etc
	11:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:57 This is one of the themes of Naomi Klein's Doppelganger book -- the mirror reflections of things, repeating endlessly, and yet somehow we are both sides.
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The more you Fight the more you become your Enemy.
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:57 Where's Mary Halvorson??
	🥁 11:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:58 yes i've been meaning to get that book, watched multiple interviews
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:59 ...as per - say - the USA's pathology re Stalinist 'Communism'...
	🥁 12:00pm hyde: thanks!
	🥁 12:00pm Listener Gregory: Great show, Jeff. Thanks a lot. Peace, everyone!
	🥁 12:00pm Doug Schulkind: Sublime stuff aka just another Sunday morning.
	🥁 12:00pm doctorjazz: Show's almost done , Thanks for letting me spout off. As Coela said, youi can go back as far as you like (and each side has the time periods they want to go back to). Great music, didn't get to comment on it much, but thanks as ever, Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:57 Rings true to me.
	🥁 12:00pm Yvang: Thanks Jeff!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! Happy birthday!
	🥁 12:00pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks a lot all, jeff...
	12:01pm mackeral: wonderful show
	12:01pm StringOFperils: Thank you, Jeff. Be well, all.
	12:09pm Jeff Golick: Thanks so much to all you beautiful people.

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