WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from April 29, 2024

Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 5:53pm ultradamno: Mark! Michael! Techtononumusicians!
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: "Large Language", the band, is here for AI musical "malarkey"
	♥ 6:01pm melinda: hi Mark and all
	♥ 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm David (in London): Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Franco Twinkie: Hello Mark.
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Markonists!
	6:02pm Adi from Sheffield: Good evening all.
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Over there! Over there! AI will make Music but not the latrines over there!
	♥ 6:03pm newton: Coming soon, AI generated listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark! Friends!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Spikey BXL: Hi Mark, all
	♥ 6:03pm bleubombersune: on Ur Mark let's go gliding through electronic impulses leading nowhere
	6:03pm zzzm: meantime Columbia started suspending students
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	♥ 6:05pm Steve Del Sol: A-I, A-I,.... OH!
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark, Techyons. Made it home from the station in time for the show!
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm Folsom: "there i ruined it" on youtube has some AI songs, like Beach boys covering songs
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm tim: Hey Mark, Michael and everyone! I tuned in for the AI #1 Hits!
	6:06pm Triple G: Hi Mark & all Just got home in time to catch just about all of the show
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm PaulRobeson1924: Been saying it for years- not enough new Elvis music
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm herb.nyc: Ooh, this show is gonna learn us how we can all be “songwriters”! Aside, 1/2- the recent TYPEWRITER show brought up this memory, related. 2 teens in park, one asks “what time is it?”. since im 10ft away, I say “5 to 6”. And her friend sez “5:56”. Girl looks confused. So I said “Oh sorry. It’s not 5 to 6. Like she said, 5:56”. Confused look lingers. So I say “it’s 4 to 6”. Still confused. She finally sez “So what time is it? I’m really bad at this”. Boy is she ever. She’d probably take a typewriter and try to connect it to a computer.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm herb.nyc: Aside, 2/2- excerpt of book ad, sept 2023 HEADED INTO THE ABYSS: THE STORY OF OUR TIME, AND THE FUTURE WE'LL FACE Brian T. Watson …There is urgency to this story. We face many threats, but one of them —the internet and its hegemony and imperatives - is rapidly changing nearly everything about our world, including our very capacity to recognize how profound and dangerous the changes are… —-psst, this might be self published
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Blobs: @Mark are you aware of or have you ever interviewed Naomi Brockwell? Thoughts on her? I think she's doing good & important work, similar to Techtonic.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: [ ] Check here if you are not a bot.
	6:11pm Fredericks: What does "a huge listener" mean?
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: Listening to this show right now reminds me what truly great radio voices both Mark Hurst and Michael Shelley have. They both fall nicely on my ears.
	6:11pm Sam: Oh I get it. This is a fake AI Michael Shelley. And he thinks we won’t be able to tell.
	♥ 6:12pm Mark Hurst: @ultra, @webham, @melinda, @chresti, @DiL, @Franco, @Bas, @Adi, @Paul, @newton, @Wendy, @Spikey, @bleubom, @zzzm, @WtSG, @SteveDS, @Handy, @Folsom, @tim, @TripleG, @herb, @Blobs, @Sam - welcome to all of you! Thanks for joining.
	6:12pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:11 You may be on to something. What would be a tell, Sam?
	🤖 ♥ 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Michael Shelley also does great interviews!
	♥ 6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:06 Nice seeing you briefly! Thanks for your swagassistance.
	♥ 6:12pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and Michael!
	6:13pm Sam: ↳ Fredericks @6:12 The conversation sounds slightly wooden to me
	6:13pm joe_rosevear: Hi Mark and everyone. Sorry I'm late--again!
	6:13pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:13 Hmmmm.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 Agreed -- and my pleasure! Had great Public Transportation Karma heading home. And whereas it was pouring in JC, Greenpoint was dry as a sunny bone.
	6:14pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:13 Not metallic?
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm PaulRobeson1924: over there! Over there! AI music will make yer daddy glad to have such a lad!
	🤖 ♥ 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: I will admit, I'm trying to work up a voice clone of 20s hit master Billy Murray.
	♥ 6:16pm mndave: "Double-u veff em you"
	6:16pm Fredericks: This is frightening.
	🤖 ♥ 6:16pm herb.nyc: Ken and Andy read some jokes, asked us “did AI write that?” I think the AI jokes were not so good
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Riffusion and Udio do impressive work, although not in the long term..
	6:17pm sonnyspop: We are at the dawn of music’s equivalent to baseball’s steroids era.
	6:17pm Sam: Is the real Paul or his replacement?
	♥ 6:17pm StuartR: Nice jingles
	6:17pm Fredericks: I I like the Let It Be styled intro>
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Spikey BXL: Artificial Infidel
	♥ 6:18pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ sonnyspop @6:17 Agreed, is this the radio equivalent of self driving cars?
	6:18pm Fredericks: I can't afford mics to sound so good.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: I'm sure Michael will have great examples here.
	6:18pm Sleve mcdichael: I have to assume the song someone sent to Michael Shelley was "I glued my balls to my butthole" which, AI or not, had me laughing out loud
	6:19pm Fredericks: What are you referencing?
	♥ 6:20pm HyperDose: The Autotune plugin by Antares was intended to be used as an effect, not a crutch. Boy did that become a runaway train
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Franco Twinkie: This is astounding. Just this morning I was listening to some air-checks from the sixties of KRLA and KFWB in Los Angeles. The similarity is uncanny.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I use this stuff as raw material, kind of like remixing existing tunes, but these are complete pastiches. I never ask them to imitate a specific artist or group.
	6:22pm Sam: So it just like listens to every Bing Crosby song ever and then recreates that exact sound? How does it do the trumpets and stuff?
	6:22pm Fredericks: Every convenience has a cost.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Many put an artists name to imitate right in the prompt, mostly on image generators.
	6:23pm Fredericks: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 Do you have some examples?
	6:23pm Thurston Howl: AI for science and medicine yes. In the arts? I dunno.
	6:23pm Fredericks: ↳ Thurston Howl @6:23 Science and medicine are arts.
	6:24pm Sam: Does it really make a difference if a pop song written by AI or by the one guy in Sweden who writes every pop song?
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Some of these tools output MIDI files that you can further edit up nicely in a MIDI editor .
	♥ 6:25pm mndave: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:22 This is where I'm lost on how directly citing an artist to emulate isn't considered illegal infringement
	6:25pm The Chief: All pop stars are inevitably going to be Hatsuni Miku or the Gorillaz
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm ultradamno: In other media, I was rather unmoved by the Late Night With The Devil controversy, since it was employed as a tool, sparingly, by an art team of the production. The Netflix What Jennifer Did situation was far more sinister, a documentary that utilized the tech to manipulate facts in the form of imagery.
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Spikey BXL: DJ Garbage Sifter
	6:26pm joe_rosevear: ↳ StuartR @6:17 Yes, they <i>were</i> nice!
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm PaulRobeson1924: Fetty Wap was AI?
	6:26pm The Chief: ↳ ultradamno @6:25 Late Night w/the Devil had bigger issues than its use of AI. Good performances in the movie, tho.
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Fredericks @6:23 There's two spots: largelanguage.bandcamp.com easier for making make playlists, and jhhl.net... which is my older repository
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm PaulRobeson1924: Introduced her to my stove… euphemism for AI machine?
	6:27pm Sam: I’m worried that if AI writes the pop songs they will all be dull and vacuous and sound the same!
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Bas NL: The day will come you'll have human AI cover bands...
	6:27pm Fredericks: I've viewed pop music as artificial at least since the 80s.
	6:28pm Fredericks: ↳ The Chief @6:25 Ha.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm Bas NL: Really?!
	♥ 6:28pm HyperDose: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:24 AI ghost notes would be fun to inspect in Izotope RX spectral analysis
	♥ 6:28pm dale: i can see using a.i. to create new song poems.
	♥ 6:29pm newton: Coming soon, degenerate AI
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm ultradamno: ↳ The Chief @6:26 Have you seen The Cleansing Hour? Some parallel themes at play.
	6:29pm Fredericks: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:26 Thanks, Webhamster!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU of course has had automated DJs on the Rock & Soul stream for a few years now.
	6:30pm Sam: Can a computer correctly pronounce Scheveningen?
	6:30pm Fredericks: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:27 Time for a pop tart, Paul.
	6:30pm Cooh John: We need to be informed if an AI element is involved in anything.
	6:30pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:27 That's what I typed as you said it.
	♥ 6:31pm newton: people will use it as a collaborative composition tool. They will feed it prompts, get some crap back that they will edit, polish and embellish, put it back in, tweak that result. Does AI then get a part of the royalties?
	6:31pm Barbie: What do you pay for this use of this ai?
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm ultradamno: ↳ Cooh John @6:30 I agree. Another issue in the Netflix doc was lack of disclosure
	6:31pm Mike: Unless I am mistaken, WFMU has AI generated, automated radio shows on the alternate stream, like the Night Owl show, that is actually great.
	6:31pm Fredericks: ↳ newton @6:31 Like a drum machine.
	6:31pm Sam: ↳ Fredericks @6:30 Ha!
	♥ 6:32pm mespr: Consider the ASCAP model: They are www.ascap.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: I don't know if Mark will get to this, but you may remember Jamie from Botnik Studios working with a sentence completer to make stories and songs, resulting in a human produced, but ML lyriced album: botnik.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:32 Yes! From October 2018, Jamie and I discuss those songs with AI-generated lyrics: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm ultradamno: Maybe a goon rock band out there can start putting 'no form of intelligence was used in the recording of this album' caveats on their releases.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 Thanks for digging that up! It was a crazy fun project at the time!
	6:34pm Fredericks: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 I "wrote"a good Patti Smith poem with that machine.
	6:34pm Sam: I’m not supposed to share this but Ken has been AI for the last 5 years. It was a desperate measure to save the station money by laying off the real Ken. That explains his recent odd demeanor and jazz on his show.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Fredericks @6:30 Pop Tart -Euphemism for breaking off the tip of a cigarette and adding it to a bong
	♥ 6:34pm HyperDose: ↳ mespr @6:32 Very interesting to see how they're trying to get ahead of it
	♥ 6:35pm newton: ↳ Fredericks @6:34 So what if Patti Smith uses the AI to write a new Patti Smith song in the style of Patti Smith?
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Bas NL: So happy to have seen Toots & The Maytals live on stage..
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Sam @6:34 You may remember the "robot Andy" 7SD show Ken did once, just playing Andy Sound bites to people who didn't know it was faked. I of course turned this into "The Andymatic Zingatron" app.
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm tim: I’m leaning toward Michael on this one. If Taylor Swift uses AI and it sounds good to her fans, what’s the issue then? Pop stars would be doing their job of creating pop songs and creating hype. Fans and musicians who care aout a great live experience aren’t going to rely on AI in the live setting. Bullshit gets called pretty quickly in that environment. Fans and musicians who don’t care if AI is used on record or live will be just as happy.
	6:36pm Sam: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:35 Oh yeah, I feel like he did a lot of shows with the Andy sound bites.
	♥ 6:37pm chresti: ↳ Bas NL @6:35 Me too!
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm Franco Twinkie: I have boxes of 45's from the 1950's to the 1990's. A dispassionate listen reveals a bell curve - 10% garbage, 10% gold, 80% a confounding mish-mash of both. Human beings overall, are weeping, seeping generators of mediocrity.
	♥ 6:38pm Michael Shelley: The website I used has some interesting legal footwork on their site: www.udio.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I of course would like everyone on Universal Basic Income and not be paid for "work"
	♥ 6:39pm Noir Lover: Maybe we can drink AI?
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm MarciB: I have to wonder if copyright is dying.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm MarciB: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 here for it!
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm DjLorraine: ↳ Cooh John @6:30 But if they are unable to comprehend the current and future danger than they will be apathetic toward allowing the factual education into their mindset. I find most people do not want to be informed.
	♥ 6:41pm HyperDose: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 or we could join Starfleet 🚀💫
	♥ 6:41pm mndave: ↳ Michael Shelley @6:38 Thanks, this is what I was looking for - it appears they offload any legal liabilities to users based on "your" input
	♥ 6:41pm coelacanth∅: i'm tortured with this crap via a perpetual store pa on my 2nd job, overnight. EVERY song is a rip-off of several other songs, usually 1 or 2 "classic" rock songs + some vacuous Taylor Swift or red hot shitty peppers c-rap; or some affected, soulless vocal diva-wannabe. ...or "sung in the style of-" Jeff Buckley, Lindsey Buckingham, Tracy Chapman, etc etc... i've figured they can't get sued, despite the obvious theft, because it's just a little of each.
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm ultradamno: From the noise made, I'm guessing Jet Airliner
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ MarciB @6:39 OTOH, tasteful AI media cleanup is really great!
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Franco Twinkie: Steve Miller got bump sprayed!
	♥ 6:41pm rsj: reminds me of the NPR story complaining about a lack of air condiitioning on the subway platforms, amy eddings was saying that the new air conditioners use less freon, like AC burns freon to make the cold... the water is used as a heat sink, its not like the servers are drinking water...love the show, just think that bits funny
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm ultradamno: Colorized still images are all over the place on social media though. It's a plague.
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm tim: There’s a current hardcore band that put an AI generated track as the last song of their recent record. The band’s called Woodstock 99. Here’s an interview with the band about creating the AI track: mailchi.mp...
	6:43pm Andres: Owners of AI generated music will fight hard against having it labeled as such, like the fight against genetically modified labeling of food.
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm ultradamno: I tried to make something with Bing's AI with the prompt Matt Gaetz meets M3gan and it practically threatened to block me.
	6:44pm Sam: We could end AI today if we could all just collectively agree not to give a shit about it.
	6:44pm joe_rosevear: Mark, I think AI is more than computational statistics. jpt.spe.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Handy Haversack: My resistance is set pretty high. I just won't play with this crap. I won't get a smartphone. I won't indulge concert promoters that sell only through apps. I won't play the game.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:42 Hey, buddy. See yr e-mail when you have a sec.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 Will do!
	♥ 6:45pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 I respect that!
	♥ 6:46pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 same. and have boycotted amazon for >15 years, boycotted gobble for close to that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Andres @6:43 These tools don't really generate a form, and then elaborate it like most art does. But it'll definitely get there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Franco Twinkie: I have NEVER bought anything off Amazon, but last Saturday I drove past The Amazon brick and mortar store in Pasadena. Was I tempted to go in? You bet I was!
	♥ 6:47pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:46 (no, boycotted gobble for almost 10)
	♥ 6:47pm Noir Lover: AI is boring
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:45 I consider myself a Strict Hurstian!
	6:47pm Cooh John: W-F-M-U world!
	6:48pm The Chief: ↳ Michael Shelley @6:38 Try Suno.ai
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:46 I'm trying to get some of this stuff to run on my laptop, so I can train it on sources I want to hear.
	6:48pm Angel Electronic: 'if bruce springsteen wants to put out 20 more albums after he dies...' this is a wild sentence for many reasons, none of them positive
	♥ 6:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 right on...do it on your own terms.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm MarciB: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:48 yes- deepfake Bruce will be performing into infinity...
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm DanFA: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:48 All those posthumous Tupac albums that came out in the 90s and early 00s, all AI-generated. But THEY don't want you to know that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm ultradamno: Only The Residents should get to keep making AI albums
	6:50pm Angel Electronic: honestly, any show that regularly uses ai is not a show i am interested in
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm DjLorraine: I asked at the PT's if there was an alternative to having to scan to check-in. They were chatting that it's strange that clients check in from their home instead of at the counter.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:49 There have been AI generated audio streams for some time, but not trying to pass themselves off as radio stations.
	6:52pm tonyb: Artificial Intelligence doesn’t understand me at all. : (
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm dakfinch: Great interview and discussion! Two of my fav djs. i agree, lots of lame AI is already here, and more to come from top pop stars. meanwhile cool people like Michael will make funny jingles with it. when the electricity goes off we tune up the acoustic guitars.
	6:52pm Sam: Like rock n roll. It’s not about the music.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm DanFA: Plot Twist: Mark will find out that he's been AI generated all this time. It's a real Blade Runner twist.
	♥ 6:53pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:50 agreed. ...in fact, i really wish the good shows (which is most of them) on wfmu's "rock n soul stream" should move to one of the 2 respectable streams and delete the r&s stream., and it's robots.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Here's one of my Udio genned "scat songs" jhhl.net...
	6:53pm Sam: The goddamn digidogs
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: Robo dog- dig the boys a latrine
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, exactly. A bribe. Like Gmail was a bribe. Like Amazon Prime was originally a bribe. Like "the first one's free" is a bribe. But this one comes with deep ramifications, especially in terms of how it supports extractive capitalism. Good show, Mark and Michael! Thanks for doing it!
	♥ 6:54pm Noir Lover: Here's another bribe...these video ads on subway trains that loop these cooking videos. It's training riders to look at screens with yummy food.
	♥ 6:54pm melinda: I need to read Mumford, this is a very useful concept.
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:54 Columbia House - 6 CD’s for a penny
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm herb.nyc: wfmu is run on “Some I, All ❤️”
	♥ 6:55pm Mike Sin: ↳ Sam @6:44 I feel this is really the crux of it in a larger sense. I personally feel there is “magic” created when actual humans pull notes and chords out of thin air and create something. It might mean something to me, but if the world as a whole doesn’t care if breathing humans are actually participating, and AI-music and art is satisfying to them,then it doesn’t make a difference what is “right”… unfortunately.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 Was that for someone else? I just mean, The Residents are the only act where it can be done by any people or any thing is kind of baked into the cake (plus, there porn-rivaling embracing of all new tech).
	6:55pm Fredericks: I just read this today.
	6:55pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:44 Close your eyes and it will go away?
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I'm actually hoping some of this gets crossed with "iRealBook", a program that gens music from lead sheets, to make even more accurate and interesting backing/practice track!
	6:57pm Sam: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:55 If we all did together
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Husband tells me that at Amazon "AI" stands for Actually Indians
	6:57pm Angel Electronic: there is an enormous difference between a human taking inspiration from an existing artist, and a machine unknowingly dragging the most algorithmically 'correct' parts together
	6:57pm Fredericks: ↳ rsj @6:41 Not boiling it off?
	♥ 6:57pm wholewheattoast: is there a link for the Mumford audio?
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA @6:57 Yeah, that was a story I think last week!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm MarciB: I live right near Lewis Mumford Way. So...time to re-read him! And say no to Big Tech!
	♥ 6:58pm melinda: I resist chat gpt
	♥ 6:58pm HyperDose: Great show, Mark & Michael!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm dakfinch: michael is a prompt producer. Ai is the engineer.
	♥ 6:58pm melinda: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Bas NL: ↳ chresti @6:37 Thanks Mark & Michael!
	♥ 6:58pm Noir Lover: Die of thirst, make an AI jingle
	6:59pm Sam: Mark you say resist, but you keep playing AI clips…
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm PaulRobeson1924: My Mind is fixated Latrines and all that goes with em
	6:59pm joe_rosevear: Well, what if we use AI to find ways to reduce our energy use?
	6:59pm Barbie: Wow
	♥ 6:59pm bleubombersune: The big tech doesn't want to pay for the cost of operation. they pass all the cost to consumer. All stay safe and be well. Thank you Mark and Michael
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm PaulRobeson1924: Make your mom proud boys! Over there! Over there!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm tim: Thank you, Mark and Michael!
	♥ 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Michael!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm herb.nyc: Add “Say bye bye to AI” to show’s slogan? Thx, mark and michael
	♥ 6:59pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark, thanks Michael.
	♥ 6:59pm Noir Lover: I'm going to get a drink of water right now before Sam Altman takes it from me!
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Franco Twinkie: I'M TWISTING! I'M TWISTING!!!
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Fredericks: I think I heard a guitar/saxophone.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: AI is going to figure out how to do AI more efficiently, design (and order) chips to do that, but like all productivity increases, will be overworked enough to meet or surpass all the resource consumption it had before.
	7:00pm JR: ↳ Song: "The Techtonic Twist" by "AI" Mhh, this sounds like mind control
	♥ 7:01pm Germanium: Not twisting enough!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm ultradamno: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:59 Elon will tell you it can do that without an issue (without explaining what it's waiting for)
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Germanium @7:01 True, just not a twist! You should hear how wrong it gets gamelan music! Thanks Mark & Michael - obviously right in my wheelhouse.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thanks Mark Hurst!!
	7:02pm Fredericks: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:59 Oh, that shit.
	7:23pm joe_rosevear: Thank you, Mark!
	6:02am joe_rosevear: Hello Mark and all, Pi helped me to make a song. After some prompting he wrote a second part for a well known melody which I provided. Here is a link to a webpage where you can listen to it: joeslife.org... Let me know what you think of it?

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April 29, 2024: Michael Shelley on AI-generated music

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Today: Michael Shelley on AI-generated music

• Michael Shelley’s show: Saturdays 11am to 1pm Eastern, here on WFMU. (Michael’s April 20, 2024 show featured a bunch of AI-generated jingles.)

• Udio, the AI music generator that Michael used to create his jingles

• Authoritarian and Democratic Technics, by Lewis Mumford (1964): “The bargain we are being asked to ratify takes the form of a magnificent bribe.” (You can also listen to this recording of Mumford reading his essay.)

• RadioHDFM, an AI-generated radio station streaming on (Amazon-owned) Twitch. Thanks to listener Hugo for the pointer.

From the Dutch-language Wikipedia entry: “Radio HDFM is een online ‘radiozender’ opgezet door Jeffrey Wirtz, beter bekend onder het pseudoniem Egbert.[1] Radio HDFM is het eerste radiostation ter wereld dat volledig draait op kunstmatige intelligentie en bevatte op moment van lancering meer dan 11 uur aan muziek.”

In English: “Radio HDFM is an online ‘radio station’ founded by Jeffrey Wirtz, better known by the pseudonym Egbert. Radio HDFM is the world’s first radio station to run entirely on artificial intelligence and contained more than 11 hours of music at the time of launch.”

The station’s tag line is “Real sound. Fake music.”

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
AI-generated music: a conversation with Michael Shelley, WFMU DJ
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	n/a
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Michael Shelley "Interview with Michael Shelley"			0:06:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	Mark's comments "Mark's comments"			0:44:19 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
AI	The Techtonic Twist "The Techtonic Twist" by "AI"	n/a	n/a	0:55:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 5:53pm ultradamno: Mark! Michael! Techtononumusicians!
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: "Large Language", the band, is here for AI musical "malarkey"
	♥ 6:01pm melinda: hi Mark and all
	♥ 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm David (in London): Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Franco Twinkie: Hello Mark.
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Markonists!
	6:02pm Adi from Sheffield: Good evening all.
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Over there! Over there! AI will make Music but not the latrines over there!
	♥ 6:03pm newton: Coming soon, AI generated listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark! Friends!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Spikey BXL: Hi Mark, all
	♥ 6:03pm bleubombersune: on Ur Mark let's go gliding through electronic impulses leading nowhere
	6:03pm zzzm: meantime Columbia started suspending students
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	♥ 6:05pm Steve Del Sol: A-I, A-I,.... OH!
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark, Techyons. Made it home from the station in time for the show!
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm Folsom: "there i ruined it" on youtube has some AI songs, like Beach boys covering songs
	🤖 ♥ 6:06pm tim: Hey Mark, Michael and everyone! I tuned in for the AI #1 Hits!
	6:06pm Triple G: Hi Mark & all Just got home in time to catch just about all of the show
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm PaulRobeson1924: Been saying it for years- not enough new Elvis music
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm herb.nyc: Ooh, this show is gonna learn us how we can all be “songwriters”! Aside, 1/2- the recent TYPEWRITER show brought up this memory, related. 2 teens in park, one asks “what time is it?”. since im 10ft away, I say “5 to 6”. And her friend sez “5:56”. Girl looks confused. So I said “Oh sorry. It’s not 5 to 6. Like she said, 5:56”. Confused look lingers. So I say “it’s 4 to 6”. Still confused. She finally sez “So what time is it? I’m really bad at this”. Boy is she ever. She’d probably take a typewriter and try to connect it to a computer.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm herb.nyc: Aside, 2/2- excerpt of book ad, sept 2023 HEADED INTO THE ABYSS: THE STORY OF OUR TIME, AND THE FUTURE WE'LL FACE Brian T. Watson …There is urgency to this story. We face many threats, but one of them —the internet and its hegemony and imperatives - is rapidly changing nearly everything about our world, including our very capacity to recognize how profound and dangerous the changes are… —-psst, this might be self published
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Blobs: @Mark are you aware of or have you ever interviewed Naomi Brockwell? Thoughts on her? I think she's doing good & important work, similar to Techtonic.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: [ ] Check here if you are not a bot.
	6:11pm Fredericks: What does "a huge listener" mean?
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: Listening to this show right now reminds me what truly great radio voices both Mark Hurst and Michael Shelley have. They both fall nicely on my ears.
	6:11pm Sam: Oh I get it. This is a fake AI Michael Shelley. And he thinks we won’t be able to tell.
	♥ 6:12pm Mark Hurst: @ultra, @webham, @melinda, @chresti, @DiL, @Franco, @Bas, @Adi, @Paul, @newton, @Wendy, @Spikey, @bleubom, @zzzm, @WtSG, @SteveDS, @Handy, @Folsom, @tim, @TripleG, @herb, @Blobs, @Sam - welcome to all of you! Thanks for joining.
	6:12pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:11 You may be on to something. What would be a tell, Sam?
	🤖 ♥ 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Michael Shelley also does great interviews!
	♥ 6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:06 Nice seeing you briefly! Thanks for your swagassistance.
	♥ 6:12pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and Michael!
	6:13pm Sam: ↳ Fredericks @6:12 The conversation sounds slightly wooden to me
	6:13pm joe_rosevear: Hi Mark and everyone. Sorry I'm late--again!
	6:13pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:13 Hmmmm.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 Agreed -- and my pleasure! Had great Public Transportation Karma heading home. And whereas it was pouring in JC, Greenpoint was dry as a sunny bone.
	6:14pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:13 Not metallic?
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm PaulRobeson1924: over there! Over there! AI music will make yer daddy glad to have such a lad!
	🤖 ♥ 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: I will admit, I'm trying to work up a voice clone of 20s hit master Billy Murray.
	♥ 6:16pm mndave: "Double-u veff em you"
	6:16pm Fredericks: This is frightening.
	🤖 ♥ 6:16pm herb.nyc: Ken and Andy read some jokes, asked us “did AI write that?” I think the AI jokes were not so good
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Riffusion and Udio do impressive work, although not in the long term..
	6:17pm sonnyspop: We are at the dawn of music’s equivalent to baseball’s steroids era.
	6:17pm Sam: Is the real Paul or his replacement?
	♥ 6:17pm StuartR: Nice jingles
	6:17pm Fredericks: I I like the Let It Be styled intro>
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Spikey BXL: Artificial Infidel
	♥ 6:18pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ sonnyspop @6:17 Agreed, is this the radio equivalent of self driving cars?
	6:18pm Fredericks: I can't afford mics to sound so good.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: I'm sure Michael will have great examples here.
	6:18pm Sleve mcdichael: I have to assume the song someone sent to Michael Shelley was "I glued my balls to my butthole" which, AI or not, had me laughing out loud
	6:19pm Fredericks: What are you referencing?
	♥ 6:20pm HyperDose: The Autotune plugin by Antares was intended to be used as an effect, not a crutch. Boy did that become a runaway train
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Franco Twinkie: This is astounding. Just this morning I was listening to some air-checks from the sixties of KRLA and KFWB in Los Angeles. The similarity is uncanny.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I use this stuff as raw material, kind of like remixing existing tunes, but these are complete pastiches. I never ask them to imitate a specific artist or group.
	6:22pm Sam: So it just like listens to every Bing Crosby song ever and then recreates that exact sound? How does it do the trumpets and stuff?
	6:22pm Fredericks: Every convenience has a cost.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Many put an artists name to imitate right in the prompt, mostly on image generators.
	6:23pm Fredericks: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 Do you have some examples?
	6:23pm Thurston Howl: AI for science and medicine yes. In the arts? I dunno.
	6:23pm Fredericks: ↳ Thurston Howl @6:23 Science and medicine are arts.
	6:24pm Sam: Does it really make a difference if a pop song written by AI or by the one guy in Sweden who writes every pop song?
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Some of these tools output MIDI files that you can further edit up nicely in a MIDI editor .
	♥ 6:25pm mndave: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:22 This is where I'm lost on how directly citing an artist to emulate isn't considered illegal infringement
	6:25pm The Chief: All pop stars are inevitably going to be Hatsuni Miku or the Gorillaz
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm ultradamno: In other media, I was rather unmoved by the Late Night With The Devil controversy, since it was employed as a tool, sparingly, by an art team of the production. The Netflix What Jennifer Did situation was far more sinister, a documentary that utilized the tech to manipulate facts in the form of imagery.
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Spikey BXL: DJ Garbage Sifter
	6:26pm joe_rosevear: ↳ StuartR @6:17 Yes, they <i>were</i> nice!
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm PaulRobeson1924: Fetty Wap was AI?
	6:26pm The Chief: ↳ ultradamno @6:25 Late Night w/the Devil had bigger issues than its use of AI. Good performances in the movie, tho.
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Fredericks @6:23 There's two spots: largelanguage.bandcamp.com easier for making make playlists, and jhhl.net... which is my older repository
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm PaulRobeson1924: Introduced her to my stove… euphemism for AI machine?
	6:27pm Sam: I’m worried that if AI writes the pop songs they will all be dull and vacuous and sound the same!
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Bas NL: The day will come you'll have human AI cover bands...
	6:27pm Fredericks: I've viewed pop music as artificial at least since the 80s.
	6:28pm Fredericks: ↳ The Chief @6:25 Ha.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm Bas NL: Really?!
	♥ 6:28pm HyperDose: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:24 AI ghost notes would be fun to inspect in Izotope RX spectral analysis
	♥ 6:28pm dale: i can see using a.i. to create new song poems.
	♥ 6:29pm newton: Coming soon, degenerate AI
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm ultradamno: ↳ The Chief @6:26 Have you seen The Cleansing Hour? Some parallel themes at play.
	6:29pm Fredericks: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:26 Thanks, Webhamster!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU of course has had automated DJs on the Rock & Soul stream for a few years now.
	6:30pm Sam: Can a computer correctly pronounce Scheveningen?
	6:30pm Fredericks: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:27 Time for a pop tart, Paul.
	6:30pm Cooh John: We need to be informed if an AI element is involved in anything.
	6:30pm Fredericks: ↳ Sam @6:27 That's what I typed as you said it.
	♥ 6:31pm newton: people will use it as a collaborative composition tool. They will feed it prompts, get some crap back that they will edit, polish and embellish, put it back in, tweak that result. Does AI then get a part of the royalties?
	6:31pm Barbie: What do you pay for this use of this ai?
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm ultradamno: ↳ Cooh John @6:30 I agree. Another issue in the Netflix doc was lack of disclosure
	6:31pm Mike: Unless I am mistaken, WFMU has AI generated, automated radio shows on the alternate stream, like the Night Owl show, that is actually great.
	6:31pm Fredericks: ↳ newton @6:31 Like a drum machine.
	6:31pm Sam: ↳ Fredericks @6:30 Ha!
	♥ 6:32pm mespr: Consider the ASCAP model: They are www.ascap.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: I don't know if Mark will get to this, but you may remember Jamie from Botnik Studios working with a sentence completer to make stories and songs, resulting in a human produced, but ML lyriced album: botnik.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:32 Yes! From October 2018, Jamie and I discuss those songs with AI-generated lyrics: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm ultradamno: Maybe a goon rock band out there can start putting 'no form of intelligence was used in the recording of this album' caveats on their releases.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 Thanks for digging that up! It was a crazy fun project at the time!
	6:34pm Fredericks: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 I "wrote"a good Patti Smith poem with that machine.
	6:34pm Sam: I’m not supposed to share this but Ken has been AI for the last 5 years. It was a desperate measure to save the station money by laying off the real Ken. That explains his recent odd demeanor and jazz on his show.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Fredericks @6:30 Pop Tart -Euphemism for breaking off the tip of a cigarette and adding it to a bong
	♥ 6:34pm HyperDose: ↳ mespr @6:32 Very interesting to see how they're trying to get ahead of it
	♥ 6:35pm newton: ↳ Fredericks @6:34 So what if Patti Smith uses the AI to write a new Patti Smith song in the style of Patti Smith?
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Bas NL: So happy to have seen Toots & The Maytals live on stage..
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Sam @6:34 You may remember the "robot Andy" 7SD show Ken did once, just playing Andy Sound bites to people who didn't know it was faked. I of course turned this into "The Andymatic Zingatron" app.
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm tim: I’m leaning toward Michael on this one. If Taylor Swift uses AI and it sounds good to her fans, what’s the issue then? Pop stars would be doing their job of creating pop songs and creating hype. Fans and musicians who care aout a great live experience aren’t going to rely on AI in the live setting. Bullshit gets called pretty quickly in that environment. Fans and musicians who don’t care if AI is used on record or live will be just as happy.
	6:36pm Sam: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:35 Oh yeah, I feel like he did a lot of shows with the Andy sound bites.
	♥ 6:37pm chresti: ↳ Bas NL @6:35 Me too!
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm Franco Twinkie: I have boxes of 45's from the 1950's to the 1990's. A dispassionate listen reveals a bell curve - 10% garbage, 10% gold, 80% a confounding mish-mash of both. Human beings overall, are weeping, seeping generators of mediocrity.
	♥ 6:38pm Michael Shelley: The website I used has some interesting legal footwork on their site: www.udio.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I of course would like everyone on Universal Basic Income and not be paid for "work"
	♥ 6:39pm Noir Lover: Maybe we can drink AI?
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm MarciB: I have to wonder if copyright is dying.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm MarciB: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 here for it!
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm DjLorraine: ↳ Cooh John @6:30 But if they are unable to comprehend the current and future danger than they will be apathetic toward allowing the factual education into their mindset. I find most people do not want to be informed.
	♥ 6:41pm HyperDose: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 or we could join Starfleet 🚀💫
	♥ 6:41pm mndave: ↳ Michael Shelley @6:38 Thanks, this is what I was looking for - it appears they offload any legal liabilities to users based on "your" input
	♥ 6:41pm coelacanth∅: i'm tortured with this crap via a perpetual store pa on my 2nd job, overnight. EVERY song is a rip-off of several other songs, usually 1 or 2 "classic" rock songs + some vacuous Taylor Swift or red hot shitty peppers c-rap; or some affected, soulless vocal diva-wannabe. ...or "sung in the style of-" Jeff Buckley, Lindsey Buckingham, Tracy Chapman, etc etc... i've figured they can't get sued, despite the obvious theft, because it's just a little of each.
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm ultradamno: From the noise made, I'm guessing Jet Airliner
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ MarciB @6:39 OTOH, tasteful AI media cleanup is really great!
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Franco Twinkie: Steve Miller got bump sprayed!
	♥ 6:41pm rsj: reminds me of the NPR story complaining about a lack of air condiitioning on the subway platforms, amy eddings was saying that the new air conditioners use less freon, like AC burns freon to make the cold... the water is used as a heat sink, its not like the servers are drinking water...love the show, just think that bits funny
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm ultradamno: Colorized still images are all over the place on social media though. It's a plague.
	🤖 ♥ 6:42pm tim: There’s a current hardcore band that put an AI generated track as the last song of their recent record. The band’s called Woodstock 99. Here’s an interview with the band about creating the AI track: mailchi.mp...
	6:43pm Andres: Owners of AI generated music will fight hard against having it labeled as such, like the fight against genetically modified labeling of food.
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm ultradamno: I tried to make something with Bing's AI with the prompt Matt Gaetz meets M3gan and it practically threatened to block me.
	6:44pm Sam: We could end AI today if we could all just collectively agree not to give a shit about it.
	6:44pm joe_rosevear: Mark, I think AI is more than computational statistics. jpt.spe.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Handy Haversack: My resistance is set pretty high. I just won't play with this crap. I won't get a smartphone. I won't indulge concert promoters that sell only through apps. I won't play the game.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:42 Hey, buddy. See yr e-mail when you have a sec.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 Will do!
	♥ 6:45pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 I respect that!
	♥ 6:46pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 same. and have boycotted amazon for >15 years, boycotted gobble for close to that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Andres @6:43 These tools don't really generate a form, and then elaborate it like most art does. But it'll definitely get there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Franco Twinkie: I have NEVER bought anything off Amazon, but last Saturday I drove past The Amazon brick and mortar store in Pasadena. Was I tempted to go in? You bet I was!
	♥ 6:47pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:46 (no, boycotted gobble for almost 10)
	♥ 6:47pm Noir Lover: AI is boring
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:45 I consider myself a Strict Hurstian!
	6:47pm Cooh John: W-F-M-U world!
	6:48pm The Chief: ↳ Michael Shelley @6:38 Try Suno.ai
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:46 I'm trying to get some of this stuff to run on my laptop, so I can train it on sources I want to hear.
	6:48pm Angel Electronic: 'if bruce springsteen wants to put out 20 more albums after he dies...' this is a wild sentence for many reasons, none of them positive
	♥ 6:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 right on...do it on your own terms.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm MarciB: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:48 yes- deepfake Bruce will be performing into infinity...
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm DanFA: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:48 All those posthumous Tupac albums that came out in the 90s and early 00s, all AI-generated. But THEY don't want you to know that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm ultradamno: Only The Residents should get to keep making AI albums
	6:50pm Angel Electronic: honestly, any show that regularly uses ai is not a show i am interested in
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm DjLorraine: I asked at the PT's if there was an alternative to having to scan to check-in. They were chatting that it's strange that clients check in from their home instead of at the counter.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:49 There have been AI generated audio streams for some time, but not trying to pass themselves off as radio stations.
	6:52pm tonyb: Artificial Intelligence doesn’t understand me at all. : (
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm dakfinch: Great interview and discussion! Two of my fav djs. i agree, lots of lame AI is already here, and more to come from top pop stars. meanwhile cool people like Michael will make funny jingles with it. when the electricity goes off we tune up the acoustic guitars.
	6:52pm Sam: Like rock n roll. It’s not about the music.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm DanFA: Plot Twist: Mark will find out that he's been AI generated all this time. It's a real Blade Runner twist.
	♥ 6:53pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Angel Electronic @6:50 agreed. ...in fact, i really wish the good shows (which is most of them) on wfmu's "rock n soul stream" should move to one of the 2 respectable streams and delete the r&s stream., and it's robots.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Here's one of my Udio genned "scat songs" jhhl.net...
	6:53pm Sam: The goddamn digidogs
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: Robo dog- dig the boys a latrine
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, exactly. A bribe. Like Gmail was a bribe. Like Amazon Prime was originally a bribe. Like "the first one's free" is a bribe. But this one comes with deep ramifications, especially in terms of how it supports extractive capitalism. Good show, Mark and Michael! Thanks for doing it!
	♥ 6:54pm Noir Lover: Here's another bribe...these video ads on subway trains that loop these cooking videos. It's training riders to look at screens with yummy food.
	♥ 6:54pm melinda: I need to read Mumford, this is a very useful concept.
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:54 Columbia House - 6 CD’s for a penny
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm herb.nyc: wfmu is run on “Some I, All ❤️”
	♥ 6:55pm Mike Sin: ↳ Sam @6:44 I feel this is really the crux of it in a larger sense. I personally feel there is “magic” created when actual humans pull notes and chords out of thin air and create something. It might mean something to me, but if the world as a whole doesn’t care if breathing humans are actually participating, and AI-music and art is satisfying to them,then it doesn’t make a difference what is “right”… unfortunately.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 Was that for someone else? I just mean, The Residents are the only act where it can be done by any people or any thing is kind of baked into the cake (plus, there porn-rivaling embracing of all new tech).
	6:55pm Fredericks: I just read this today.
	6:55pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:44 Close your eyes and it will go away?
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I'm actually hoping some of this gets crossed with "iRealBook", a program that gens music from lead sheets, to make even more accurate and interesting backing/practice track!
	6:57pm Sam: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:55 If we all did together
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Husband tells me that at Amazon "AI" stands for Actually Indians
	6:57pm Angel Electronic: there is an enormous difference between a human taking inspiration from an existing artist, and a machine unknowingly dragging the most algorithmically 'correct' parts together
	6:57pm Fredericks: ↳ rsj @6:41 Not boiling it off?
	♥ 6:57pm wholewheattoast: is there a link for the Mumford audio?
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA @6:57 Yeah, that was a story I think last week!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm MarciB: I live right near Lewis Mumford Way. So...time to re-read him! And say no to Big Tech!
	♥ 6:58pm melinda: I resist chat gpt
	♥ 6:58pm HyperDose: Great show, Mark & Michael!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm dakfinch: michael is a prompt producer. Ai is the engineer.
	♥ 6:58pm melinda: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Bas NL: ↳ chresti @6:37 Thanks Mark & Michael!
	♥ 6:58pm Noir Lover: Die of thirst, make an AI jingle
	6:59pm Sam: Mark you say resist, but you keep playing AI clips…
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm PaulRobeson1924: My Mind is fixated Latrines and all that goes with em
	6:59pm joe_rosevear: Well, what if we use AI to find ways to reduce our energy use?
	6:59pm Barbie: Wow
	♥ 6:59pm bleubombersune: The big tech doesn't want to pay for the cost of operation. they pass all the cost to consumer. All stay safe and be well. Thank you Mark and Michael
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm PaulRobeson1924: Make your mom proud boys! Over there! Over there!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm tim: Thank you, Mark and Michael!
	♥ 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Michael!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm herb.nyc: Add “Say bye bye to AI” to show’s slogan? Thx, mark and michael
	♥ 6:59pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark, thanks Michael.
	♥ 6:59pm Noir Lover: I'm going to get a drink of water right now before Sam Altman takes it from me!
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Franco Twinkie: I'M TWISTING! I'M TWISTING!!!
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Fredericks: I think I heard a guitar/saxophone.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: AI is going to figure out how to do AI more efficiently, design (and order) chips to do that, but like all productivity increases, will be overworked enough to meet or surpass all the resource consumption it had before.
	7:00pm JR: ↳ Song: "The Techtonic Twist" by "AI" Mhh, this sounds like mind control
	♥ 7:01pm Germanium: Not twisting enough!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm ultradamno: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:59 Elon will tell you it can do that without an issue (without explaining what it's waiting for)
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Germanium @7:01 True, just not a twist! You should hear how wrong it gets gamelan music! Thanks Mark & Michael - obviously right in my wheelhouse.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thanks Mark Hurst!!
	7:02pm Fredericks: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:59 Oh, that shit.
	7:23pm joe_rosevear: Thank you, Mark!
	6:02am joe_rosevear: Hello Mark and all, Pi helped me to make a song. After some prompting he wrote a second part for a well known melody which I provided. Here is a link to a webpage where you can listen to it: joeslife.org... Let me know what you think of it?

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