WFMU: Freaking Out with Kendraplex: Playlist from May 13, 2024

Listener comments!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: good evening kendra and future moonfreakers
	12:01am Aitch: Freaking in here
	👻 12:02am tom tom the pipers son: hello kendra and peeps...
	12:03am kendraplex: alright let's do this
	12:03am Scott_Oz: G'day Kendra & Freakazoids! 🌏🌞🍻😎🤙💨🍺🌻
	12:03am kendraplex: hmm what's another song that has a lot of background breathing
	12:04am fantastic planet25: Hey Kendra - glad to get a chance to listen live again.
	👻 12:06am Ken From Hyde Park: In freak out mode.
	👻 12:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ kendraplex @12:03 who let the dogs out...? ....;)
	12:10am Mike W.: thank you
	12:10am fantastic planet25: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @12:06 " Lotta Freaks! " - Arlo Guthrie, Woodstock
	12:16am kendraplex: love how she plays that thing
	👻 12:16am tom tom the pipers son: beautiful mix
	12:16am rw: Sweet.
	12:19am spodiodi: welcome back!
	👻 12:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Composition 1960 No.7" by "La Monte Young" in painting there was a movement away from the picture being about relationships of parts as a remnant of cubism to a unitary structure... monochromatic painting... i think young's piece could be seen as a music analogy to the painting development
	12:26am Scott_Oz: Anyone else getting drop-outs??
	12:27am rw: Hey Scott! Not that I’ve noticed here.
	12:28am Aitch: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 more like seizures
	👻 12:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Masonna" remember reading about the 80's-90's noise scene in japan...apparently the venues were tiny insulated spaces like meat lockers where they blew their brains out
	👻 12:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 not here...
	12:29am Scott_Oz: ↳ rw @12:27 Reload seems to have fixed it mate. 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	12:29am Scott_Oz: ↳ Aitch @12:28 A long way to New Jersey mate. 🍻😎🤙💨☕
	12:30am Aitch: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:29 not from hell
	12:32am Scott_Oz: ↳ Aitch @12:30 Hell is where we make it mate! 🤘😎🍻
	12:37am Ike: Tasty audio hell.
	👻 12:39am tom tom the pipers son: laurie speigel= pure joy
	12:41am fantastic planet25: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @12:39 Yes! This is a great album.
	👻 12:43am tom tom the pipers son: nice that you have the album...
	👻 12:44am Ken From Hyde Park: Let's see if the northern lights are freaking out tonight — youtu.be...
	12:45am fantastic planet25: Was this music sent to space by Carl Sagan?
	12:52am Scott_Oz: ↳ Song: "Yoshi Wada" Very Koyaanisqatsi.
	12:52am LiXiviated Life: Sometimes a person just can’t sleep
	12:54am LiXiviated Life: for instance like now
	12:57am rw: I keep thinking one of the Earth Horns is my GF snoring in the other room.
	12:58am fantastic planet25: ↳ LiXiviated Life @12:52 Some magicians use 💤 sleep depravation for Astral projection
	12:59am kendraplex: mm
	12:59am kendraplex: how long are northern lights supposed to go on
	12:59am kendraplex: lixivated is an interesting looking word
	👻 1:02am tom tom the pipers son: subliminal station i.d.
	1:05am coelacanth∅: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 i'm reading about a dropout, but besides that, no. steady.
	1:05am Aitch: ↳ kendraplex @12:59 Until solar storm subsides, soon.
	1:06am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:05 You tuned in?
	1:07am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:06 tuned in, laid down, freaked out
	1:08am coelacanth∅: please tell your gf to keep it down it's distracting
	1:09am rw: Sorry, man. I’ll go plug her nose or something.
	1:13am coelacanth∅: but, is the earth really honking? has it come to this?
	1:15am coelacanth∅: i wish i could hear this. it's basically 4.33. i don't want to turn it up - to be assaulted when the levels return to usual
	1:16am rw: I’ve got it cranked up a bit. I trust Kendra to take care of us.
	1:18am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:15 Weirdly, I think the first time I really heard 4.33 was earlier this year. Maybe late last year.
	1:19am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:18 i've heard 4.33 my whole life!
	1:22am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:19 Yeah, but, performed as a piece of music for an audience?
	1:22am fantastic planet25: This is cool
	1:23am kendraplex: vibing
	1:23am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:22 no, i never have experienced that. but it's not a piece of music,is it. it's a concept.
	1:24am rw: It’s a John Cage composition.
	1:25am rw: And when I say composition I mean, yes, a piece of music.
	1:28am coelacanth∅: but it's not a piece of music. it's just a concept. it's a compelling to appreciate the sounds in our lives.
	👻 1:28am tom tom the pipers son: "i have nothing to say, and i'm saying it"
	1:29am coelacanth∅: (not a composition. the timing, which is the only thing composed about it, is arbitrary)
	👻 1:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:28 well... it's not just a concept because you experioence it in reality
	1:30am Ajay / Krommenie (NL): 📻⚡️🧙‍♀️🎶
	1:31am coelacanth∅: ...just earlier today i decided to listen to a sound collage i made around 1980, my 2nd or 3rd one. very low-fi, low-tech. many passages of neighborhood sounds, distant conversation, distant trains etc. that's 4.33. (...unfortunately listening to this also created the terror of nostalgia.)
	1:32am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:28 Wikipedia: 4′33″ is a modernist composition by American experimental composer John Cage. It was composed in 1952 for any instrument or combination of instruments; the score instructs performers not to play their instruments throughout the three movements. It is divided into three movements, lasting 30 seconds, two minutes and 23 seconds, and one minute and 40 seconds, respectively,[d] although Cage later stated that the movements' durations can be determined by the musician. As indicated by the title, the composition lasts four minutes and 33 seconds and is marked by a period of silence, although ambient sounds contribute to the performance.
	👻 1:33am tom tom the pipers son: the concept of 4 33 is actually boring, its a joke...it's actuality is what's of interest
	1:34am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:32 exactly! a concept! no composition.
	1:36am rw: No! It’s in the first sentence. Composition. It’s to be performed for an audience. Although it could (and probably should) be considered a conceptual composition.
	1:38am rw: In any case, it’s an important work.
	1:38am B Wad: Vienna wakes for you ☕️
	1:38am Paulo AD: Morning my dudes. How are ya?
	👻 1:40am tom tom the pipers son: i don't think cage was playing a mind game
	1:41am B Wad: I was in college around the time Napster came out and, cheeky art students that we were, decided to check if a recording of 4’33 “could be found. To our surprise, it could! We took turns playing a game for the remainder of the semester: “Am I or am I not playing 4’33” right now?” while the other one sat on the bed :)
	👻 1:42am tom tom the pipers son: wow what happened there just blew my mind
	1:42am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:36 i know it's in the first sentence! and Steve Reich is incorrectly called a "minimalist". there's a lot of falsehoods within wikipedia, amidst the invaluable wealth of information. to call it a compostition is semantics. just a clever way to describe it. it is not performed for an audience. it's not performed; it's a concept. i'd like to correct that wikipedia entree but i can't give my time to wikipedia, despite their regular requests to get involved. ...and of course it's an important piece. no doubt about that!
	👻 1:44am tom tom the pipers son: @coelacanth: i think you're making a rigid mind/ body split in your argument...
	1:45am coelacanth∅: ↳ B Wad @1:41 haha! the idea that someone might actually buy a recording of 4.33 is wonderfully treacherous!
	1:46am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:44 please explain
	1:47am Scott_Oz: ↳ Paulo AD @1:38 G'day Paulo!🍻😎🤙💨☕
	1:47am Paulo AD: ↳ Scott_Oz @1:47 What's up my man :)
	👻 1:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:46 you seem to be insisting that the piece only exists in your head separating it from the actual "performance"
	1:50am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:42 I’ve always understood it as a composition to be performed for an audience. As it was when I heard it performed recently. It was actually quite moving!
	👻 1:50am tom tom the pipers son: i think cage was after something more than a mind game
	1:51am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:49 well, no; it IS a performance. just not a piece of music. or to put it another way, it's a piece of work; but not a piece of music. the music is the ambience, or incidental sounds. not a composition at all.
	1:52am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:50 FAR more than a mind game. not a mind game at all. it's a Brilliant idea.
	👻 1:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 i think it's more a case of asking "what is music" "what is non music"
	1:54am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 Right. Except that I believe part of the intention was to question or expand the notion of what could be considered music. To me it’s absolutely a piece of music, but not perhaps to everyone.
	👻 1:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:53 kind of why cage is a lynchpin to noise
	1:55am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:53 consider my post @1.31 ^. i've been considering all sound "music" since i was ~5 (when my mind was burst open by revolution9)
	1:55am B Wad: (not sure what time it it where y’all are, but I love waking up to a lively debate bout 4’33” over a great noise set on WFMU:) If I understand Coel, I think his point (and Cage’s point) is not the beauty or cleverness housed within ‘the composition’ but the way it reframes the world and the sounds of the world for us..No?
	1:55am rw: Okay, I need to turn in. Thank you Kendra! Good night everyone. Let me know if you guys figure it all out!
	1:57am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:54 yes, but again, semantics (if i'm using that word correctly!) but not his piece of music. not his composition. what the point is is to get the audience to understand the music of their daily lives; of their surroundings.
	👻 1:58am fred: Hello Kendra and all
	1:58am coelacanth∅: ↳ B Wad @1:55 Yes!
	1:59am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:55 g'night rw. sweet dreams!
	👻 2:00am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ B Wad @1:55 i agree with that feel i already said it it with the concept is basically a joke, the piece's actuality is what's important
	2:03am coelacanth∅: definitely not a joke. i cannot imagine Cage's intention being anything besides pure passion for sound, and wanting other people to join him in that.
	👻 2:03am fred: I still think 4'33 is one of the least interesting piece in Cage's work. Even just for putting sound in a different frame, I like Roaratorio or Empty Words much better
	2:04am rw: Okay, think about a sculpture. Maybe it’s made of shiny stainless steel. The reflections and shadows and play of light on the sculpture are an important element, but it’s still a sculpture. Just as in 4’33"
	2:06am coelacanth∅: for me, saying 4.33 is uninteresting is the same as saying the sounds of a distant siren's doplar (sp?) effect is uninteresting - which for me, isn't.
	2:07am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @2:04 yes. but if it's just a piece of very shiny metal, it's not a sculpture; it's a concept!
	👻 2:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:03 well maybe a koan is a better word, like "i have nothing to say and i'm saying it" to demonstrate inadequacy in the way music was thought of
	2:08am coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:07 (an unsculpted piece of metal)
	2:09am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:08 i don't believe that though. i believe he had a lot to say.
	👻 2:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:09 nothing is a lot
	👻 2:11am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:07 a piece of metal is not a concept...
	2:13am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:10 exactly. . . . anyway, i'm sure i've been verbose enough; and said enough that anyone open to my point can see it without more. i'm going to read my book now!
	👻 2:14am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:11 concepts you can't point to, like color, you can point to a color but not to "color"
	2:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:11 no aural or visual creativity involved; only an idea. something to make people think. (like 4.33) no sculpting, just some object repurposed to make the viewer see him/herself, and other reflections. that's a concept. that's ALL it is. art only as "conceptual art".
	👻 2:18am fred: I guess you could call the Ryoanji series conceptual, halfway between drawing and music
	👻 2:18am tom tom the pipers son: and fred is right about cage's other work, even earlier pieces like sonatas for prepared piano
	👻 2:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:17 but the object is not a concept the concept is internal in the act of perception
	👻 2:29am tom tom the pipers son: the "composing" in 4 33 takes place in the minds of the audience who have the innate conceptual apparatus that humans possess to process music
	👻 2:33am tom tom the pipers son: @kendra: congratulations on your one year nyc anniversary ...you're not messing around tonight...
	2:35am John Cage: They missed the point. There’s no such thing as silence. What they thought was silence, because they didn’t know how to listen, was full of accidental sounds. You could hear the wind stirring outside during the first movement. During the second, raindrops began pattering the roof, and during the third the people themselves made all kinds of interesting sounds as they talked or walked out.
	👻 2:55am tom tom the pipers son: thanks kendra...
	2:55am spodiodi: thanks, Kendra!
	2:59am fantastic planet25: Another excellent show kendraplex - one of WFMU 's BEST programs.
	2:59am kendraplex: thanks all
	2:59am kendraplex: bit of a quiet one
	2:59am Scott_Oz: ↳ kendraplex @2:59 Thanks Kendra! 🌏🌞🍻😎🤙💨🍺🌻
	2:59am kendraplex: thanks tom
	3:01am coelacanth∅: Thanks Kendra!
	3:05am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:29 tom tom both this and your post just above it are essentially saying what i've been saying. "in the minds"... "perception"...in other words, a concept!
	3:06am coelacanth∅: ↳ John Cage @2:35 the one point i think no one here has missed, is that there's no such thing as silence!
	9:46am DG: 🔥

Freaking Out with Kendraplex: Playlist from May 13, 2024

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Gil Sansón	Roadblock Ahead "Roadblock Ahead" by "Gil Sansón"	Confirmation Bias	Full Spectrum		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
La Monte Young	Composition 1960 No.7	Composition 1960 No.7			0:06:12 (Pop-up)
Sasha Vine	May 12 2024 "May 12 2024" by "Sasha Vine"	May 12 2024	Sasha Vine		0:14:46 (Pop-up)
Masonna	"Masonna"				0:24:25 (Pop-up)
Hanatarash - 1969	"Hanatarash - 1969"				0:25:27 (Pop-up)
Satan (Satanic Chant) Vibrating Call Mantra · Agios O Satanas (1 Hour)					0:27:31 (Pop-up)
Vomir	Claustration "Claustration" by "Vomir"	Claustration			0:30:21 (Pop-up)
Hiroshi Hasegawa	"Hiroshi Hasegawa"	Amalgamation			0:32:12 (Pop-up)
Laurie Spiegel	"Laurie Spiegel"	The Expanding Universe			0:37:20 (Pop-up)
C.C.C.C. - Cosmic Coincidence Control Center	Morphogenesis				0:44:27 (Pop-up)
Yoshi Wada	"Yoshi Wada"	Earth Horns With Electronic Drone			0:46:51 (Pop-up)
Amulets	Drone in E "Drone in E" by "Amulets"				1:03:36 (Pop-up)
PANICSVILLE	untitled "untitled" by "PANICSVILLE"	Floccinaucinihilipilification	Nihilist		1:07:54 (Pop-up)
Eliane Radigue	Islas resonantes "Islas resonantes" by "Eliane Radigue"	Islas resonantes			1:10:12 (Pop-up)
Samuel Goff	Pikeville "Pikeville" by "Samuel Goff"	Transmissions			1:19:38 (Pop-up)
Shredded Nerve	Mind Begins to Crumble as Dots are Connected			https://chondriticsound.bandcamp.com/track/mind-begins-to-crumble-as-dots-are-connected	1:25:51 (Pop-up)
La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela	31 VII 69 10:26				1:30:01 (Pop-up)
Sarah Hennies:	"Sarah Hennies:"	Sarah Hennies: Motor Tapes		https://newworldrecords.bandcamp.com/album/sarah-hennies-motor-tapes	1:34:27 (Pop-up)
Climax Denial	Neither Silent Nor Present				1:42:10 (Pop-up)
Georgia Rodgers / Apartment House	Logistic			https://anothertimbre.bandcamp.com/track/logistic	1:50:45 (Pop-up)
Steven Stapleton / Tony Wakeford	LUCIFER BEFORE SUNRISE	REVENGE OF THE SELFISH SHELLFISH		https://nihilistrecordings.bandcamp.com/track/lucifer-before-sunrise	1:55:23 (Pop-up)
Nomi Epstein	shades "shades" by "Nomi Epstein"	shades		https://anothertimbre.bandcamp.com/track/extract-from-shades-for-streaming	2:01:31 (Pop-up)
Organ Of Corti	Colluvio "Colluvio" by "Organ Of Corti"	Colluvio/Mutatio			2:07:45 (Pop-up)
Beau Wanzer	Warm Waterboarding "Warm Waterboarding" by "Beau Wanzer"				2:11:10 (Pop-up)
Tape Loop Orchestra	Upsurge "Upsurge" by "Tape Loop Orchestra"				2:15:33 (Pop-up)
Tape Loop Orchestra	"Tape Loop Orchestra"	Maybe I Told A Small Lie			2:16:31 (Pop-up)
Shane Parish	Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground				2:20:58 (Pop-up)
Hideous Figure	Last One "Last One" by "Hideous Figure"	Texas			2:24:55 (Pop-up)
Hayden Pedigo	March 26th 2012 "March 26th 2012" by "Hayden Pedigo"	Do You Sing? Vol. 1 (Early Works)			2:29:14 (Pop-up)
Razor Blade Revy	Acid Sheathed Tongue Says Hello	Acid Sheathed Tongue Says Hello			2:32:16 (Pop-up)
Obscuress	Nemesis "Nemesis" by "Obscuress"			https://texasarchives.bandcamp.com/track/nemesis	2:34:00 (Pop-up)
Spencer Dobbs	Texas Effigy "Texas Effigy" by "Spencer Dobbs"	Singing Hell			2:42:17 (Pop-up)
Thomas Deater	Fallout "Fallout" by "Thomas Deater"		JMY	https://jmymusic.bandcamp.com/album/jmy100	2:47:48 (Pop-up)
Ninte	"Ninte"		moss tapes	https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2143584993	2:57:02 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: good evening kendra and future moonfreakers
	12:01am Aitch: Freaking in here
	👻 12:02am tom tom the pipers son: hello kendra and peeps...
	12:03am kendraplex: alright let's do this
	12:03am Scott_Oz: G'day Kendra & Freakazoids! 🌏🌞🍻😎🤙💨🍺🌻
	12:03am kendraplex: hmm what's another song that has a lot of background breathing
	12:04am fantastic planet25: Hey Kendra - glad to get a chance to listen live again.
	👻 12:06am Ken From Hyde Park: In freak out mode.
	👻 12:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ kendraplex @12:03 who let the dogs out...? ....;)
	12:10am Mike W.: thank you
	12:10am fantastic planet25: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @12:06 " Lotta Freaks! " - Arlo Guthrie, Woodstock
	12:16am kendraplex: love how she plays that thing
	👻 12:16am tom tom the pipers son: beautiful mix
	12:16am rw: Sweet.
	12:19am spodiodi: welcome back!
	👻 12:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Composition 1960 No.7" by "La Monte Young" in painting there was a movement away from the picture being about relationships of parts as a remnant of cubism to a unitary structure... monochromatic painting... i think young's piece could be seen as a music analogy to the painting development
	12:26am Scott_Oz: Anyone else getting drop-outs??
	12:27am rw: Hey Scott! Not that I’ve noticed here.
	12:28am Aitch: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 more like seizures
	👻 12:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Masonna" remember reading about the 80's-90's noise scene in japan...apparently the venues were tiny insulated spaces like meat lockers where they blew their brains out
	👻 12:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 not here...
	12:29am Scott_Oz: ↳ rw @12:27 Reload seems to have fixed it mate. 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	12:29am Scott_Oz: ↳ Aitch @12:28 A long way to New Jersey mate. 🍻😎🤙💨☕
	12:30am Aitch: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:29 not from hell
	12:32am Scott_Oz: ↳ Aitch @12:30 Hell is where we make it mate! 🤘😎🍻
	12:37am Ike: Tasty audio hell.
	👻 12:39am tom tom the pipers son: laurie speigel= pure joy
	12:41am fantastic planet25: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @12:39 Yes! This is a great album.
	👻 12:43am tom tom the pipers son: nice that you have the album...
	👻 12:44am Ken From Hyde Park: Let's see if the northern lights are freaking out tonight — youtu.be...
	12:45am fantastic planet25: Was this music sent to space by Carl Sagan?
	12:52am Scott_Oz: ↳ Song: "Yoshi Wada" Very Koyaanisqatsi.
	12:52am LiXiviated Life: Sometimes a person just can’t sleep
	12:54am LiXiviated Life: for instance like now
	12:57am rw: I keep thinking one of the Earth Horns is my GF snoring in the other room.
	12:58am fantastic planet25: ↳ LiXiviated Life @12:52 Some magicians use 💤 sleep depravation for Astral projection
	12:59am kendraplex: mm
	12:59am kendraplex: how long are northern lights supposed to go on
	12:59am kendraplex: lixivated is an interesting looking word
	👻 1:02am tom tom the pipers son: subliminal station i.d.
	1:05am coelacanth∅: ↳ Scott_Oz @12:26 i'm reading about a dropout, but besides that, no. steady.
	1:05am Aitch: ↳ kendraplex @12:59 Until solar storm subsides, soon.
	1:06am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:05 You tuned in?
	1:07am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:06 tuned in, laid down, freaked out
	1:08am coelacanth∅: please tell your gf to keep it down it's distracting
	1:09am rw: Sorry, man. I’ll go plug her nose or something.
	1:13am coelacanth∅: but, is the earth really honking? has it come to this?
	1:15am coelacanth∅: i wish i could hear this. it's basically 4.33. i don't want to turn it up - to be assaulted when the levels return to usual
	1:16am rw: I’ve got it cranked up a bit. I trust Kendra to take care of us.
	1:18am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:15 Weirdly, I think the first time I really heard 4.33 was earlier this year. Maybe late last year.
	1:19am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:18 i've heard 4.33 my whole life!
	1:22am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:19 Yeah, but, performed as a piece of music for an audience?
	1:22am fantastic planet25: This is cool
	1:23am kendraplex: vibing
	1:23am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:22 no, i never have experienced that. but it's not a piece of music,is it. it's a concept.
	1:24am rw: It’s a John Cage composition.
	1:25am rw: And when I say composition I mean, yes, a piece of music.
	1:28am coelacanth∅: but it's not a piece of music. it's just a concept. it's a compelling to appreciate the sounds in our lives.
	👻 1:28am tom tom the pipers son: "i have nothing to say, and i'm saying it"
	1:29am coelacanth∅: (not a composition. the timing, which is the only thing composed about it, is arbitrary)
	👻 1:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:28 well... it's not just a concept because you experioence it in reality
	1:30am Ajay / Krommenie (NL): 📻⚡️🧙‍♀️🎶
	1:31am coelacanth∅: ...just earlier today i decided to listen to a sound collage i made around 1980, my 2nd or 3rd one. very low-fi, low-tech. many passages of neighborhood sounds, distant conversation, distant trains etc. that's 4.33. (...unfortunately listening to this also created the terror of nostalgia.)
	1:32am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:28 Wikipedia: 4′33″ is a modernist composition by American experimental composer John Cage. It was composed in 1952 for any instrument or combination of instruments; the score instructs performers not to play their instruments throughout the three movements. It is divided into three movements, lasting 30 seconds, two minutes and 23 seconds, and one minute and 40 seconds, respectively,[d] although Cage later stated that the movements' durations can be determined by the musician. As indicated by the title, the composition lasts four minutes and 33 seconds and is marked by a period of silence, although ambient sounds contribute to the performance.
	👻 1:33am tom tom the pipers son: the concept of 4 33 is actually boring, its a joke...it's actuality is what's of interest
	1:34am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:32 exactly! a concept! no composition.
	1:36am rw: No! It’s in the first sentence. Composition. It’s to be performed for an audience. Although it could (and probably should) be considered a conceptual composition.
	1:38am rw: In any case, it’s an important work.
	1:38am B Wad: Vienna wakes for you ☕️
	1:38am Paulo AD: Morning my dudes. How are ya?
	👻 1:40am tom tom the pipers son: i don't think cage was playing a mind game
	1:41am B Wad: I was in college around the time Napster came out and, cheeky art students that we were, decided to check if a recording of 4’33 “could be found. To our surprise, it could! We took turns playing a game for the remainder of the semester: “Am I or am I not playing 4’33” right now?” while the other one sat on the bed :)
	👻 1:42am tom tom the pipers son: wow what happened there just blew my mind
	1:42am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:36 i know it's in the first sentence! and Steve Reich is incorrectly called a "minimalist". there's a lot of falsehoods within wikipedia, amidst the invaluable wealth of information. to call it a compostition is semantics. just a clever way to describe it. it is not performed for an audience. it's not performed; it's a concept. i'd like to correct that wikipedia entree but i can't give my time to wikipedia, despite their regular requests to get involved. ...and of course it's an important piece. no doubt about that!
	👻 1:44am tom tom the pipers son: @coelacanth: i think you're making a rigid mind/ body split in your argument...
	1:45am coelacanth∅: ↳ B Wad @1:41 haha! the idea that someone might actually buy a recording of 4.33 is wonderfully treacherous!
	1:46am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:44 please explain
	1:47am Scott_Oz: ↳ Paulo AD @1:38 G'day Paulo!🍻😎🤙💨☕
	1:47am Paulo AD: ↳ Scott_Oz @1:47 What's up my man :)
	👻 1:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:46 you seem to be insisting that the piece only exists in your head separating it from the actual "performance"
	1:50am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:42 I’ve always understood it as a composition to be performed for an audience. As it was when I heard it performed recently. It was actually quite moving!
	👻 1:50am tom tom the pipers son: i think cage was after something more than a mind game
	1:51am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:49 well, no; it IS a performance. just not a piece of music. or to put it another way, it's a piece of work; but not a piece of music. the music is the ambience, or incidental sounds. not a composition at all.
	1:52am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:50 FAR more than a mind game. not a mind game at all. it's a Brilliant idea.
	👻 1:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 i think it's more a case of asking "what is music" "what is non music"
	1:54am rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 Right. Except that I believe part of the intention was to question or expand the notion of what could be considered music. To me it’s absolutely a piece of music, but not perhaps to everyone.
	👻 1:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:53 kind of why cage is a lynchpin to noise
	1:55am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @1:53 consider my post @1.31 ^. i've been considering all sound "music" since i was ~5 (when my mind was burst open by revolution9)
	1:55am B Wad: (not sure what time it it where y’all are, but I love waking up to a lively debate bout 4’33” over a great noise set on WFMU:) If I understand Coel, I think his point (and Cage’s point) is not the beauty or cleverness housed within ‘the composition’ but the way it reframes the world and the sounds of the world for us..No?
	1:55am rw: Okay, I need to turn in. Thank you Kendra! Good night everyone. Let me know if you guys figure it all out!
	1:57am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:54 yes, but again, semantics (if i'm using that word correctly!) but not his piece of music. not his composition. what the point is is to get the audience to understand the music of their daily lives; of their surroundings.
	👻 1:58am fred: Hello Kendra and all
	1:58am coelacanth∅: ↳ B Wad @1:55 Yes!
	1:59am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @1:55 g'night rw. sweet dreams!
	👻 2:00am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ B Wad @1:55 i agree with that feel i already said it it with the concept is basically a joke, the piece's actuality is what's important
	2:03am coelacanth∅: definitely not a joke. i cannot imagine Cage's intention being anything besides pure passion for sound, and wanting other people to join him in that.
	👻 2:03am fred: I still think 4'33 is one of the least interesting piece in Cage's work. Even just for putting sound in a different frame, I like Roaratorio or Empty Words much better
	2:04am rw: Okay, think about a sculpture. Maybe it’s made of shiny stainless steel. The reflections and shadows and play of light on the sculpture are an important element, but it’s still a sculpture. Just as in 4’33"
	2:06am coelacanth∅: for me, saying 4.33 is uninteresting is the same as saying the sounds of a distant siren's doplar (sp?) effect is uninteresting - which for me, isn't.
	2:07am coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @2:04 yes. but if it's just a piece of very shiny metal, it's not a sculpture; it's a concept!
	👻 2:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:03 well maybe a koan is a better word, like "i have nothing to say and i'm saying it" to demonstrate inadequacy in the way music was thought of
	2:08am coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:07 (an unsculpted piece of metal)
	2:09am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:08 i don't believe that though. i believe he had a lot to say.
	👻 2:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:09 nothing is a lot
	👻 2:11am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:07 a piece of metal is not a concept...
	2:13am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:10 exactly. . . . anyway, i'm sure i've been verbose enough; and said enough that anyone open to my point can see it without more. i'm going to read my book now!
	👻 2:14am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:11 concepts you can't point to, like color, you can point to a color but not to "color"
	2:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:11 no aural or visual creativity involved; only an idea. something to make people think. (like 4.33) no sculpting, just some object repurposed to make the viewer see him/herself, and other reflections. that's a concept. that's ALL it is. art only as "conceptual art".
	👻 2:18am fred: I guess you could call the Ryoanji series conceptual, halfway between drawing and music
	👻 2:18am tom tom the pipers son: and fred is right about cage's other work, even earlier pieces like sonatas for prepared piano
	👻 2:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:17 but the object is not a concept the concept is internal in the act of perception
	👻 2:29am tom tom the pipers son: the "composing" in 4 33 takes place in the minds of the audience who have the innate conceptual apparatus that humans possess to process music
	👻 2:33am tom tom the pipers son: @kendra: congratulations on your one year nyc anniversary ...you're not messing around tonight...
	2:35am John Cage: They missed the point. There’s no such thing as silence. What they thought was silence, because they didn’t know how to listen, was full of accidental sounds. You could hear the wind stirring outside during the first movement. During the second, raindrops began pattering the roof, and during the third the people themselves made all kinds of interesting sounds as they talked or walked out.
	👻 2:55am tom tom the pipers son: thanks kendra...
	2:55am spodiodi: thanks, Kendra!
	2:59am fantastic planet25: Another excellent show kendraplex - one of WFMU 's BEST programs.
	2:59am kendraplex: thanks all
	2:59am kendraplex: bit of a quiet one
	2:59am Scott_Oz: ↳ kendraplex @2:59 Thanks Kendra! 🌏🌞🍻😎🤙💨🍺🌻
	2:59am kendraplex: thanks tom
	3:01am coelacanth∅: Thanks Kendra!
	3:05am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @2:29 tom tom both this and your post just above it are essentially saying what i've been saying. "in the minds"... "perception"...in other words, a concept!
	3:06am coelacanth∅: ↳ John Cage @2:35 the one point i think no one here has missed, is that there's no such thing as silence!
	9:46am DG: 🔥

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