WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from September 15, 2024

Listener comments!
	8:08am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:00am Jeff Golick: Hey there, Revolution Rabbit Nov63, ya early boid!
	9:00am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and other jazzheads!
	9:01am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	9:01am hyde: happy sunday
	9:01am Yvang: Hi Jeff and DOlisteners!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Hello hello hello Andrew in Toronto! chresti! hyde! Welcome aboard.
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Greetings, Yvang!
	9:02am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:01 Morning, crestikins!
	9:02am tom tom the pipers son: ooohhh, the bracing cacaphony of roscoe mitchel upside my head....
	9:03am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners Speaking of piano, I'm leaving in an hour to see a performance for 6 pianos (de)tuned to make something like white noise
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Really gets the blood flowing, tom tom the pipers son. Welcome.
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Hi, fred! That sounds like it will sound amazing.
	9:03am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:01 morning, Yvang!
	9:04am StringOFperils: Yeah, verily, thee shopping Muzak shall in this way be smited…uh…smote…vaporized
	9:04am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff and all...
	9:05am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:05am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Good morning Jeff and Hello to my fellow Outronauts. Happy Sunday to you all from me and the dogs
	9:06am doctorjazz: Hello Jeff G and distinguished Outies!
	9:06am Yvang: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:03 Morning Andrew!
	9:08am Jeff Golick: StringOFperils! listener james from westwood! NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA! doctorjazz! What a crew! Great to see you.
	9:08am tom tom the pipers son: good afternoon yvang
	9:09am WR: Hello Jeff and folks.
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Greets, WR!
	9:12am Stork: Schön guten Tag, liebe Outenheimers!
	9:12am Doug Schulkind: Some people suffer with GERD. Personally, I can't get enough.
	9:13am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @9:06 Hi there, doc!
	9:14am Jeff Golick: Guten tag, Stork!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:01 Hiya, hyde!
	9:14am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "The Peacocks" by "Gerd Dudek" Good morning! When did this tune become a jazz standard? I’ll have to look, I think the key versions are Rowles, Getz, Bill Evans, Wayne and Herbie, then Branford Marsalis probably seals it.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:12 Agree, Doug! As any major dudek will tell you.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: DJ Peter!
	9:16am Yvang: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:08 Hey Tom Tom!
	9:18am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:14 hellllo AiT!
	9:24am WR: Jeff, I see you already have made your Hellraiser plans.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:24 Yeah, WR. Needed to give myself something to shoot for.
	9:26am Stork: This Spacemusic piece is written by Signe Emmeluth. Great sax player who recently gigged here in Münster. She‘s got 2 or 3 fine bands.
	9:27am Mxter Baba: hey, Jeff and folx! IN for the OUT!!!
	9:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:26 Oh very cool, Stork. I only recently got turned on to Emmeluth.
	9:28am Mxter Baba: and digfully digging the upcoming October theme!
	9:28am Jeff Golick: Yeaaaahhhhhh, Mxter Baba!
	9:31am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "B - 2+3" by "Spacemusic Ensemble" Threadgill-ian! Like it!
	9:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:13 Hi Andrew!
	9:33am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @9:31 (then it goes off in it's own direction...)
	9:37am luka: good morning
	9:38am Jeff Golick: and to you, luka!
	9:41am alanr: It's Mexican independence day here, and while listening, I am in the kitchen preparing ceviche from fresh mackerel (known as "sierra" here). Our Sunday D.O. habits are just the thing to begin the day.
	9:45am Jeff Golick: What is the proper greeting on Mexican independence day, alanr? I am warmed by your presence.
	9:46am Jeff Golick: Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in someplace nice.
	9:46am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Early Frisell-cool track!
	9:52am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" I’ve missed this Frisell
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:52 Yeah I know what you mean.
	9:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" groovy...
	9:54am alanr: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:45 No tengo un idéa!
	9:55am tom tom the pipers son: have to step out but waiting til this is through...jeff please play something lousy after this so i can go out and get some breakfast
	9:55am Sailor Dog: This set is IDEAL
	9:55am chresti: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Screwgun Records is a nice label name.
	9:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:55 I'll try my best, tom tom.
	9:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ Sailor Dog @9:55 Hey there, Sailor Dog! Happy to have you aboard!
	9:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Makes me think of 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat' somehow (which I first knew from JeffBeck actually - & whose version I still like)...
	9:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:58 i don't thinjk it'll work....be right back
	9:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:58 ...& which I always thot of as similar to 'Lonely Woman' in a way. If I consider it...
	10:00am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @9:55 Classic Tim Berne.
	10:01am Woo: Good morning
	10:02am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:58 John McLaughlin did a great solo acoustic version of Goodbye Poek Pie Hat (for later listening...) youtu.be...
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Woo @10:01 Hi there, Woo!
	10:03am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:02 Aha. I'll bet.
	10:04am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Live at Onkel Pö In Hamburg (1975)" by "Harmonia" Like this!
	10:04am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:04 Nice balance of energy and stasis...
	10:04am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:03 ...probly heard that ...Beck & McLaughlin mutually admired each other of course - pals even...
	10:05am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:04 Yeah nice one.
	10:05am StringOFperils: That version of GBPPH on My Goals Beyond is great. A fave recording actually.
	10:06am doctorjazz: ↳ StringOFperils @10:05 Same (great album).
	10:07am StringOFperils: The LP cover made it sell like hotcakes
	10:07am doctorjazz: Announcments time- (Tom Tom can get breakfast)
	10:08am Mxter Baba: ↳ doctorjazz @10:07 yeah! and I'll prepare some tea
	10:09am Stork: Onkel Pö‘s musta been been quite a scene in the 70‘s. Soo many great live gigs, recorded beautifully!
	10:11am doctorjazz: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:08 Making me some coffee (Spelling Bee is making me crazy this morning).
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: back wit da cawfeee
	10:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @10:07 thanks jeff.... there was a line....
	10:18am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:15 Just brewed up some Ethiopian Guji here
	10:18am tom tom the pipers son: thanks dr. jazzz
	10:19am doctorjazz: Mine is Rawandan Question Coffee.
	10:20am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "1 face b" by "François Tusques & Sunny Murray" Play Dem Blues!
	10:20am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Don’t know about that one… tell me more!
	10:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:18 ohhh jealous....strictly bunn coffee in my neighborhood but the panaderias serve decent stuff
	10:24am Jeff Golick: Coffee just turned off here :( -- Kate made a pot earlier (pre-dog walk) of our local place's Counter Culture blend which they unfortuantely call South Slurp.
	10:25am StringOFperils: What would you call it?
	10:27am hyde: just made spanakopita with puff pastry that's been in the freezer 11 months, and it is the most raggedy ass spanakopita ever
	10:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "You Don't Know What Love Is" by "Max Roach & Mal ... is this a standard...?
	10:27am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:21 My Ethiopian is a natural, lately I’ve been getting into anaerobic ferments a lot. This one is “Cat & Cloud” roaster but I’m not sure yet how I like them. Current fave roaster is Stamp Act
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @10:25 A good question...I'd probably go with something boring like "Southside Blend."
	10:28am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:20 Was in Rawanda summer 2023, started drinking it then. Women farmed, sustainable, invests in small local farmers, yada yada yada (very good tasting) www.questioncoffee.com
	10:29am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 Yeah, pretty much. Lotta versions out there.
	10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:27 hey...i said i was jealous, what are you trying to do to me?... ; )
	10:29am hyde: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 yes! it was originally first in an Abbot & Costello movie, but it got cut from the final edit
	10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:29 thx
	10:30am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:27 I have some Trader Joes spanakopita calling to me from the freezer...
	10:30am WM: Never heard Francois Tusques before. A quick Google search shows he has an extensive discography. Must listen to more of his music.
	10:30am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:30 i'm sure it looks better than mine does
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:27 I think Doug might've guested with Raggedy ass spanakopita when they toured by his high school.
	10:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ hyde @10:29 ah...i'm familiar with that detail....must be from another version i heard
	10:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:30 haha!lol
	10:31am doctorjazz: ↳ WM @10:30 Same, a new name to me, like his playing.
	10:33am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:30 haha
	10:33am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 I’m going to make it even worse, sorry: having it with birthday cake
	10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:27 almost completely lean to not having coffee in the house...just something ingrained from when i had no money to buy coffee by the pound...don't keep alcohol in the apt either... i keep it strictly a social activity
	10:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ WM @10:30 Hey, WM. I like some of his latter-day releases on Improvising Beings, e.g., improvising-beings.bandcamp.com... His earlier 70s stuff is more in the "traditional" French free jazz direction.
	10:36am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:33 ha! and are you still in seattle? is it 7:30 am?
	10:37am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:35 I appreciate that. We still have liquor in house but I hardly ever touch it except with guests or a meal
	10:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Fanfare 2" by "Laura Jurd & Paul Dunmall" fanfare is an apt description ...title
	10:37am hyde: this is a great interview with Francois Tusques, fwiw: www.psychedelicbabymag.com...
	10:38am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:37 Thanks, hyde! Will check that out.
	10:39am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:36 Back home! (But yes stamp act is a Seattle area roaster.) Thought I’d be on the road today which is why Nick is filling in at 7:00.
	10:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:39 ah right...
	10:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Proven Right, Then Left, Then Right" by "Weird of... Weird of Mouth = Mette Rasmussen – alto saxophone + preparations + bells Craig Taborn – piano + preparations Ches Smith – drums + percussion
	10:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:41 The cover art for this one kinda feels like Philip Guston with a good pharmacologist.
	10:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:44 yes and guston only had cigarettes and the hard stuff to get him in the mood
	10:48am tom tom the pipers son: "dark blend". just a little late for the thread
	10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Mörkrost (Dark Blend)" by "Charles Tyler + Brus... punchy drums...nice
	10:51am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:50 There is also a "medium blend" on this record.
	10:52am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:50 was kind of a sharp hand drum sound...wonder if drums tuned for that sound
	10:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:51 ah, the drumming was a bit 'jittery'....; )
	10:54am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Wade Through Water" by "Andile Khumalo" Pretty! (but not too pretty)
	10:55am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Wade Through Water" by "Andile Khumalo" there's an early morton feldman piece this reminds me of in regard to pitch
	10:58am tom tom the pipers son: there was an artist named gunther brus who i believe was german
	10:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:58 austrian
	11:06am Tim Teardrop: Slightly synchronous greetings, listening while on a short visit to Graz https://www.museum-joanneum.at/en/neue-galerie-graz/press/guenter-brus
	11:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ Tim Teardrop @11:06 Oh fantastic, Tim Teardop! Thanks for checking in.
	11:07am TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	11:08am Jeff Golick: T! D! K! 60!
	11:08am hyde: saw Fela once and it was at this weird night club that had a small stage. too small for Fela to dance on. he was SO MAD
	11:11am StringOFperils: Not surprising. That band requires at least half a basketball court just to stay out of each other's way
	11:12am hyde: ↳ StringOFperils @11:11 yeah, they were super cramped
	11:14am StringOFperils: I imagine that might prove difficult for the band. There's a lot of smoke around Fela. It might get confusing over time (over 4 hours the one time I got to see them)
	11:15am tom tom the pipers son: been reading an overview of frankfurt school thought and one detail has to do with societies were value is reified, point of consumption/exchange is different from where the 'thing' is produced, and societies where the value exchange is direct....this regarding some african women on my block that established a hair braiding business for mostly african clientele...i'm talking out of my hat, but the presence of the women is quite interesting. internally they seem quite different, maybe value, but they seem immune to any negative effects of western commodity culture....i don't know where the come from but wonder if it's because they come from the second type of society that the frankfurt school talks about
	11:16am StringOFperils: ↳ StringOFperils @11:14 Then again...it might all be pretty baked from the outset
	11:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 i hope this does not come across as exoticism
	11:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "J.J.D. (Parts 1 & 2)" by "Fela Kuti & Afrika 70" "Recorded in autumn 1976, six months before the army attack on Kalakuta Republic, the title track is a lampoon of “been-to”s, Nigerians who had been to Europe or the US and who came back with inferiority complexes about African culture. Ghariokwu Lemi’s front-cover portrays a suited-up been-to, dressed like a cartoon British toff, as he parachutes into a Lagos street to the bemusement of passers-by. The back cover shows a more funkily dressed been-to, wearing US-style ghetto-chic, but looking equally out of place. See how these JJD’s dress and talk, sings Fela, they are trying to be foreigners. In response, the chorus repeat the single word “original.” This is a reference to Fela’s closing line on 1973’s “Gentleman” – “I no be gentleman at all-o, I be Africa man, original.” "
	11:19am rw: Good morning!
	11:19am WM: @tom tom: what essay or overview are you referring to?
	11:19am Jeff Golick: rw!
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WM @11:19 it's a series of lectures given by a britsh scholar...it's a verso publication....do i have some thing wrong?
	11:22am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:18 “Been-to” is delightfully pithy. Frantz Fanon in his grave is kicking himself.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:22 ...or maybe that's just how he dances...
	11:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:21 gillian rose
	11:25am tom tom the pipers son: actually let me take back my comment at 11:15 don't like the way it's leaning
	11:25am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 If the overview was discussing classic Frankfurt School thought, then I’m going to opine that the Frankfurters could not anticipate the cultural formations of the 21st century: the return of authoritarianism that might have foreseen, but I don’t think they were great on empire and migration
	11:26am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 'Exchange-value' a la Marx goes beyond trade in the everyday sense, and has more to do with a reductive template in which human beings are transmuted into market value based mainly on their potential to labour; a scenario in which life is worth nothing once work is removed. The so-called Frankfurt School were attempting to codify the DNA of fascism in order to perhaps take it apart utterly, so examining dehumanization in the 'marketplace' was a key piece of Marxian thought to build upon
	11:27am WM: That critique reminds me of a book I reviewed some years ago, Cash Values: The Value of Money the Nature of Worth by Craig Gay.
	11:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @11:26 thanks, i was over simplifying
	11:29am StringOFperils: It's still not easy to comprehend...hard to examine the Matrix when you're it
	11:30am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:25 Thanks for voicing it, and for taking the risk! I think the issue is that the Frankfurters had a very pessimistic view of commodity culture. EG Adorno could not see that culture could be recycled in a resistant fashion. Sampling or remixing would be completely constrained by capitalism in his eyes whereas we might argue that it’s a form of speaking back to capitalism by reworking a musical commodity
	11:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:25 maybe, but i see something there, though with the collapsing of the "formerly" colonized world into the developed world which resonates with the frankfurt school
	11:31am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:30 So the hair culture that you are observing is on that line. Put another way: for Adorno there is no meaning to style. A car with tailfins is a car with useless ornamentation
	11:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" Best Wanna-be-Beatles song EVER!
	11:33am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" I recall this was one of the first Beatlesque hits on Top 40 back then. Pretty good.
	11:33am luka: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" i used to listen to a lot of am sports radio in chicago. dark days. but, one of the better shows had a weekly segment about people being full of crap and this song was part of the medley/intro to the segment.
	11:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:30 yes, in my reading the lecturer says adorno's opinion about jazz for instance has been mis characterized
	11:34am Jeff Golick: ↳ luka @11:33 Love it.
	11:35am StringOFperils: When Marx began writing about it in the last half of the 1800s, he was concerned (from an economist's standpoint) to see how local miners were being exploited by the power of capital held by the mine owners. He could see the kernal of social destruction in their de-facto dehumanization. He wrote about it while working as a young journaliist...before he ever move to London and expanded on his ideas.
	11:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:31 right, exactly, that's what i'm trying to describe
	11:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" NJ's own. A little too tight & Pro to be GarageRawk - but some Frat crossover & that spirit...
	11:36am WM: You might be thinking about the Austrian economist Carl Menger who wrote The Origins of Money, although he was not associated with the Frankfurt school.
	11:36am DJ Peter: "party awn rey-rey wowwmn" ! (i usually think of Stevie as being very clear but that's the bluesiest, Joe Turner-iest delivery I've heard him do)
	11:37am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:36 I had no idea what he was saying there, until I finally looked at the song title.
	11:37am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Boogie On Reggae Woman" by "Stevie Wonder" Am I remembering correctly enough to say the synthy bass on this was fairly new, especially as a bass part.
	11:39am mic_a: Hello, Jeff and DOers. Dead man's switch -- still alive here. They kicked me out of the Frankfurt School for asking if I could have a hot dog and gladly pay them on Tuesday.
	11:39am StringOFperils: Marcuse was the nastiest cafeteria lady
	11:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ mic_a @11:39 ha!
	11:42am doctorjazz: ↳ TDK60 @11:37 I recall the same thing, it was a new way to lay down the bass.
	11:42am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Can there be Commercial FolkMuzix ? & have Pop ~ Rawk been it. Not to say Jazzes & HipHops... & then that Corporate Distribution system collapsed too... Both more Corporately centralized - & more available with New Media @ the same time (everyone can hear or see you ...but no support to do it - & no Promotion & who cares.) More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer - that's for sure. Even the means by which Artists (...Influencers ...whoever they are. & whatever they do ...exactly...) might promote themselves. Especially these Tech means. In fact...
	11:43am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Rawk rose with the demographix of young people having more Money - & the Class & Race implications of this too...
	11:44am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" BAWSTINRAWK
	11:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...always been an element of having our own Culture sold back to us...
	11:46am StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" I have this album and it's the bee's knees
	11:48am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Eno positing - probly quoting someone else in fact - that Art is exactly everything's that's not strictly Necessary... But I think there's limits to that assertion - given Human Nature, & that of our Society, in fact... That is - we Need It very much actually.
	11:48am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:35 In 1966 there were two dance party shows on channel 9 in L.A. - Ninth Street West and Boss City. Ten year old me was smitten with both of them. The Knickerbockers were regular guests. As a matter of fact, the chubby guy with a sprayed pompadour was a great raconteur. Yes, they wore suits and had short hair, but they were adored.
	11:48am tom tom the pipers son: @ jeff...really like your rock'n'roll final sets like doug's soul set something to send you home with
	11:48am DJ Peter: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:48 probably quoting Kant. art is purposiveness without purpose
	11:49am TDK60: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" I saw The Lyres on a day the singer had apparently had too much fun before the show. He fell off the stage at one point.
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 I also saw a very disappointing latter-day Lyres show.
	11:49am Andrew in Toronto: What an excellent show! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:50am StringOFperils: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:48 Artists make statements to put people on the back foot, to make them off balance so they're forced to reexamine their received notions about everything. Artists aren't worth much as artists if they don't....they're probably masquerading as artists.
	11:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:49 the 90's liars were always keen on separating themselve from the lyres
	11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 Seems MonoMan is known for two things. Totally Bringing It. & Falling Over sometimes.
	11:51am doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff, dug the show!
	11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What a neat-o Set.
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:51 Rev: It was a good show, still.
	11:52am StringOFperils: This is one album I've nevah hoid at all
	11:52am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ StringOFperils @11:50 ' To comfort the disturbed - & to disturb the comfortable. '
	11:52am doctorjazz: (I-ahem- can't quote Kant, but interesting discussion nonetheless)
	11:52am hyde: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 as someone who has seen the Lyres a lot, that's not atypical
	11:53am tom tom the pipers son: thanks folks for not tearing my comment apart and sharing your wealth of knowledge @jeff enjoyed the whole show...:)
	11:53am StringOFperils: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:52 I like that!
	11:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:48 Yeah very Pro. But Bringing It.
	11:53am Franco Twinkie: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 Ha! I saw them at Maxwell's one freezing night, and Mono Man drank a whole can of Hi C grape party punch and let most of it run down the front of his shirt.
	11:55am Jeff Golick: Yooo Franco Twinkie! Thanks for the elevated conversation, everybody.
	11:55am Franco Twinkie: Hi/bye Jeff!
	11:56am TDK60: Ho Franco. This leads me to a tangent of recalling, my asking friends in the '70s how concerts were that I missed. All kinds of stories were uttered about who got too high or who got lost or, other druggy escapades. I always stubbornly insisted on asking how the music was.
	11:57am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	11:58am hyde: thanks for the tunes!
	11:58am mic_a: Thanks! Be good!
	11:58am TDK60: Gracias, DJ Jeff.
	11:58am Franco Twinkie: ↳ TDK60 @11:56 The music was fantastic.
	11:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ StringOFperils @11:50 & as Boowie said - never play to the gallery.
	11:59am TDK60: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:58 HA!
	11:59am StringOFperils: Merci bouquets, Jeff and attendant hive-mind. It's been lovely.
	11:59am WR: Thank you, Jeff.
	12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	11:05pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Hey, Jeff, catching the show on archive and just a comment on the title Eef Laat. Obviously a pun (as you correctly pronounced it), but Eef is also the Dutch language version of Eve, pronounced "Afe." So I wonder if there is a real person connected to the title. Surprisingly pleasant record. The original Frisell-Berne record is more aggressive and clang-ey. In this one, all the compositions are credited to Berne, and Frisell seems to be playing responses and accompaniment, at which he is the best in the world. IMHO.
	11:15pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "1 face b" by "François Tusques & Sunny Murray" A little confused over your track listing. Doesn't "face b" mean Side B? We're clearly hearing the Monk tune Crepescule With Nellie (which is listed on the cover). Maybe you explained this when you announced it. I feel terrible about missing the live show... I apologize to you and to all the people heading outsward.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968	0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970	0:02:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Gerd Dudek	The Peacocks "The Peacocks" by "Gerd Dudek"	'smatter	psi	2002	0:06:13 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jerome Sabbagh	Gone with the Wind	Heart	Analog Tone Factory	2024	0:16:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Spacemusic Ensemble	B - 2+3 "B - 2+3" by "Spacemusic Ensemble"	IS OKAY OKAY IS CERTIFIED	Motvind Records	2019	0:21:47 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Teip Trio	Take 7 "Take 7" by "Teip Trio"	Teip Trio	Sonic Transmissions Records	2022	0:38:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tim Berne & Bill Frisell	Eef Laat	Live in Someplace Nice	Screwgun Records	1984/2024	0:45:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Harmonia	Live at Onkel Pö In Hamburg (1975)	Documents 1975	Grönland Records	1975/2015	0:58:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"				1:06:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
François Tusques & Sunny Murray	1 face b	intercommunal dialogue 1&2	Ni Vu Ni Connu	2007	1:13:52 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Max Roach & Mal Waldron	You Don't Know What Love Is	Explorations... To The Mth Degree	Slam Productions	1995	1:25:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Laura Jurd & Paul Dunmall	Fanfare 2	Fanfares and Freedom	Discus Music	2024	1:31:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Weird of Mouth	Proven Right, Then Left, Then Right	Weird of Mouth	Otherly Love Records	2024	1:39:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Charles Tyler + Brus Trio	Mörkrost (Dark Blend)	Autumn in Paris	Silkheart	1988	1:46:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Andile Khumalo	Wade Through Water	Tracing Hollow Traces	New Focus Records	2024	1:52:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dick Khoza	Lilongwe "Lilongwe" by "Dick Khoza"				1:54:44 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Fela Kuti & Afrika 70	J.J.D. (Parts 1 & 2)	J.J.D (Johnny Just Drop!!) - Live!! At Kalakuta Republik	Afrodisia	1977	2:01:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Joe Gibbs & The Professionals	Tribesman Rockers	African Dub All-Mighty – Chapter 3	Joe Gibbs Record Globe	1977	2:24:07 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Orchestra Harlow	Grazin' in the Grass	Presenta a Ismael Miranda	Fania Records	1968	2:27:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Knickerbockers	Lies "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers"	Lies	Challenge	1965	2:30:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stevie Wonder	Boogie On Reggae Woman	Fulfillingness' First Finale	Tamla Motown	1974	2:33:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Don Muro	Getting Closer "Getting Closer" by "Don Muro"	Souffrances et Extases du Jeune Amour	Flannelgraph Records	1974?/2014	2:38:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Elvis Costello & the Attractions	Honey, Are You Straight or Are You Blind?	Blood & Chocolate	Columbia	1986	2:41:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Lyres	You'll Never Do It Baby	Lyres Lyres	Ace Of Hearts Records	1986	2:43:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Roxy Music	Editions of You "Editions of You" by "Roxy Music"	For Your Pleasure	Island Records	1974	2:46:13 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Slapp Happy	Tutankhamun "Tutankhamun" by "Slapp Happy"	Sort Of	Polydor	1972	2:49:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
William Hooker - Billy Bang Duo	Blood and Coffee (Surviving)	Joy (Within)!	Silkheart	1994	2:53:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975	2:59:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	8:08am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:00am Jeff Golick: Hey there, Revolution Rabbit Nov63, ya early boid!
	9:00am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and other jazzheads!
	9:01am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	9:01am hyde: happy sunday
	9:01am Yvang: Hi Jeff and DOlisteners!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Hello hello hello Andrew in Toronto! chresti! hyde! Welcome aboard.
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Greetings, Yvang!
	9:02am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:01 Morning, crestikins!
	9:02am tom tom the pipers son: ooohhh, the bracing cacaphony of roscoe mitchel upside my head....
	9:03am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners Speaking of piano, I'm leaving in an hour to see a performance for 6 pianos (de)tuned to make something like white noise
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Really gets the blood flowing, tom tom the pipers son. Welcome.
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Hi, fred! That sounds like it will sound amazing.
	9:03am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:01 morning, Yvang!
	9:04am StringOFperils: Yeah, verily, thee shopping Muzak shall in this way be smited…uh…smote…vaporized
	9:04am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff and all...
	9:05am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:05am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Good morning Jeff and Hello to my fellow Outronauts. Happy Sunday to you all from me and the dogs
	9:06am doctorjazz: Hello Jeff G and distinguished Outies!
	9:06am Yvang: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:03 Morning Andrew!
	9:08am Jeff Golick: StringOFperils! listener james from westwood! NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA! doctorjazz! What a crew! Great to see you.
	9:08am tom tom the pipers son: good afternoon yvang
	9:09am WR: Hello Jeff and folks.
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Greets, WR!
	9:12am Stork: Schön guten Tag, liebe Outenheimers!
	9:12am Doug Schulkind: Some people suffer with GERD. Personally, I can't get enough.
	9:13am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @9:06 Hi there, doc!
	9:14am Jeff Golick: Guten tag, Stork!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:01 Hiya, hyde!
	9:14am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "The Peacocks" by "Gerd Dudek" Good morning! When did this tune become a jazz standard? I’ll have to look, I think the key versions are Rowles, Getz, Bill Evans, Wayne and Herbie, then Branford Marsalis probably seals it.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:12 Agree, Doug! As any major dudek will tell you.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: DJ Peter!
	9:16am Yvang: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:08 Hey Tom Tom!
	9:18am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:14 hellllo AiT!
	9:24am WR: Jeff, I see you already have made your Hellraiser plans.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:24 Yeah, WR. Needed to give myself something to shoot for.
	9:26am Stork: This Spacemusic piece is written by Signe Emmeluth. Great sax player who recently gigged here in Münster. She‘s got 2 or 3 fine bands.
	9:27am Mxter Baba: hey, Jeff and folx! IN for the OUT!!!
	9:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:26 Oh very cool, Stork. I only recently got turned on to Emmeluth.
	9:28am Mxter Baba: and digfully digging the upcoming October theme!
	9:28am Jeff Golick: Yeaaaahhhhhh, Mxter Baba!
	9:31am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "B - 2+3" by "Spacemusic Ensemble" Threadgill-ian! Like it!
	9:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:13 Hi Andrew!
	9:33am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @9:31 (then it goes off in it's own direction...)
	9:37am luka: good morning
	9:38am Jeff Golick: and to you, luka!
	9:41am alanr: It's Mexican independence day here, and while listening, I am in the kitchen preparing ceviche from fresh mackerel (known as "sierra" here). Our Sunday D.O. habits are just the thing to begin the day.
	9:45am Jeff Golick: What is the proper greeting on Mexican independence day, alanr? I am warmed by your presence.
	9:46am Jeff Golick: Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in someplace nice.
	9:46am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Early Frisell-cool track!
	9:52am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" I’ve missed this Frisell
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:52 Yeah I know what you mean.
	9:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" groovy...
	9:54am alanr: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:45 No tengo un idéa!
	9:55am tom tom the pipers son: have to step out but waiting til this is through...jeff please play something lousy after this so i can go out and get some breakfast
	9:55am Sailor Dog: This set is IDEAL
	9:55am chresti: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Screwgun Records is a nice label name.
	9:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:55 I'll try my best, tom tom.
	9:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ Sailor Dog @9:55 Hey there, Sailor Dog! Happy to have you aboard!
	9:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Makes me think of 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat' somehow (which I first knew from JeffBeck actually - & whose version I still like)...
	9:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:58 i don't thinjk it'll work....be right back
	9:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:58 ...& which I always thot of as similar to 'Lonely Woman' in a way. If I consider it...
	10:00am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @9:55 Classic Tim Berne.
	10:01am Woo: Good morning
	10:02am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:58 John McLaughlin did a great solo acoustic version of Goodbye Poek Pie Hat (for later listening...) youtu.be...
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Woo @10:01 Hi there, Woo!
	10:03am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:02 Aha. I'll bet.
	10:04am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Live at Onkel Pö In Hamburg (1975)" by "Harmonia" Like this!
	10:04am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:04 Nice balance of energy and stasis...
	10:04am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:03 ...probly heard that ...Beck & McLaughlin mutually admired each other of course - pals even...
	10:05am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:04 Yeah nice one.
	10:05am StringOFperils: That version of GBPPH on My Goals Beyond is great. A fave recording actually.
	10:06am doctorjazz: ↳ StringOFperils @10:05 Same (great album).
	10:07am StringOFperils: The LP cover made it sell like hotcakes
	10:07am doctorjazz: Announcments time- (Tom Tom can get breakfast)
	10:08am Mxter Baba: ↳ doctorjazz @10:07 yeah! and I'll prepare some tea
	10:09am Stork: Onkel Pö‘s musta been been quite a scene in the 70‘s. Soo many great live gigs, recorded beautifully!
	10:11am doctorjazz: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:08 Making me some coffee (Spelling Bee is making me crazy this morning).
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: back wit da cawfeee
	10:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ doctorjazz @10:07 thanks jeff.... there was a line....
	10:18am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:15 Just brewed up some Ethiopian Guji here
	10:18am tom tom the pipers son: thanks dr. jazzz
	10:19am doctorjazz: Mine is Rawandan Question Coffee.
	10:20am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "1 face b" by "François Tusques & Sunny Murray" Play Dem Blues!
	10:20am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 Don’t know about that one… tell me more!
	10:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:18 ohhh jealous....strictly bunn coffee in my neighborhood but the panaderias serve decent stuff
	10:24am Jeff Golick: Coffee just turned off here :( -- Kate made a pot earlier (pre-dog walk) of our local place's Counter Culture blend which they unfortuantely call South Slurp.
	10:25am StringOFperils: What would you call it?
	10:27am hyde: just made spanakopita with puff pastry that's been in the freezer 11 months, and it is the most raggedy ass spanakopita ever
	10:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "You Don't Know What Love Is" by "Max Roach & Mal ... is this a standard...?
	10:27am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:21 My Ethiopian is a natural, lately I’ve been getting into anaerobic ferments a lot. This one is “Cat & Cloud” roaster but I’m not sure yet how I like them. Current fave roaster is Stamp Act
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @10:25 A good question...I'd probably go with something boring like "Southside Blend."
	10:28am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:20 Was in Rawanda summer 2023, started drinking it then. Women farmed, sustainable, invests in small local farmers, yada yada yada (very good tasting) www.questioncoffee.com
	10:29am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 Yeah, pretty much. Lotta versions out there.
	10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:27 hey...i said i was jealous, what are you trying to do to me?... ; )
	10:29am hyde: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 yes! it was originally first in an Abbot & Costello movie, but it got cut from the final edit
	10:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:29 thx
	10:30am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:27 I have some Trader Joes spanakopita calling to me from the freezer...
	10:30am WM: Never heard Francois Tusques before. A quick Google search shows he has an extensive discography. Must listen to more of his music.
	10:30am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:30 i'm sure it looks better than mine does
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:27 I think Doug might've guested with Raggedy ass spanakopita when they toured by his high school.
	10:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ hyde @10:29 ah...i'm familiar with that detail....must be from another version i heard
	10:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:30 haha!lol
	10:31am doctorjazz: ↳ WM @10:30 Same, a new name to me, like his playing.
	10:33am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:30 haha
	10:33am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 I’m going to make it even worse, sorry: having it with birthday cake
	10:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:27 almost completely lean to not having coffee in the house...just something ingrained from when i had no money to buy coffee by the pound...don't keep alcohol in the apt either... i keep it strictly a social activity
	10:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ WM @10:30 Hey, WM. I like some of his latter-day releases on Improvising Beings, e.g., improvising-beings.bandcamp.com... His earlier 70s stuff is more in the "traditional" French free jazz direction.
	10:36am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:33 ha! and are you still in seattle? is it 7:30 am?
	10:37am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:35 I appreciate that. We still have liquor in house but I hardly ever touch it except with guests or a meal
	10:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Fanfare 2" by "Laura Jurd & Paul Dunmall" fanfare is an apt description ...title
	10:37am hyde: this is a great interview with Francois Tusques, fwiw: www.psychedelicbabymag.com...
	10:38am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:37 Thanks, hyde! Will check that out.
	10:39am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:36 Back home! (But yes stamp act is a Seattle area roaster.) Thought I’d be on the road today which is why Nick is filling in at 7:00.
	10:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @10:39 ah right...
	10:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Proven Right, Then Left, Then Right" by "Weird of... Weird of Mouth = Mette Rasmussen – alto saxophone + preparations + bells Craig Taborn – piano + preparations Ches Smith – drums + percussion
	10:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:41 The cover art for this one kinda feels like Philip Guston with a good pharmacologist.
	10:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:44 yes and guston only had cigarettes and the hard stuff to get him in the mood
	10:48am tom tom the pipers son: "dark blend". just a little late for the thread
	10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Mörkrost (Dark Blend)" by "Charles Tyler + Brus... punchy drums...nice
	10:51am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:50 There is also a "medium blend" on this record.
	10:52am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:50 was kind of a sharp hand drum sound...wonder if drums tuned for that sound
	10:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:51 ah, the drumming was a bit 'jittery'....; )
	10:54am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Wade Through Water" by "Andile Khumalo" Pretty! (but not too pretty)
	10:55am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Wade Through Water" by "Andile Khumalo" there's an early morton feldman piece this reminds me of in regard to pitch
	10:58am tom tom the pipers son: there was an artist named gunther brus who i believe was german
	10:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:58 austrian
	11:06am Tim Teardrop: Slightly synchronous greetings, listening while on a short visit to Graz https://www.museum-joanneum.at/en/neue-galerie-graz/press/guenter-brus
	11:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ Tim Teardrop @11:06 Oh fantastic, Tim Teardop! Thanks for checking in.
	11:07am TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	11:08am Jeff Golick: T! D! K! 60!
	11:08am hyde: saw Fela once and it was at this weird night club that had a small stage. too small for Fela to dance on. he was SO MAD
	11:11am StringOFperils: Not surprising. That band requires at least half a basketball court just to stay out of each other's way
	11:12am hyde: ↳ StringOFperils @11:11 yeah, they were super cramped
	11:14am StringOFperils: I imagine that might prove difficult for the band. There's a lot of smoke around Fela. It might get confusing over time (over 4 hours the one time I got to see them)
	11:15am tom tom the pipers son: been reading an overview of frankfurt school thought and one detail has to do with societies were value is reified, point of consumption/exchange is different from where the 'thing' is produced, and societies where the value exchange is direct....this regarding some african women on my block that established a hair braiding business for mostly african clientele...i'm talking out of my hat, but the presence of the women is quite interesting. internally they seem quite different, maybe value, but they seem immune to any negative effects of western commodity culture....i don't know where the come from but wonder if it's because they come from the second type of society that the frankfurt school talks about
	11:16am StringOFperils: ↳ StringOFperils @11:14 Then again...it might all be pretty baked from the outset
	11:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 i hope this does not come across as exoticism
	11:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "J.J.D. (Parts 1 & 2)" by "Fela Kuti & Afrika 70" "Recorded in autumn 1976, six months before the army attack on Kalakuta Republic, the title track is a lampoon of “been-to”s, Nigerians who had been to Europe or the US and who came back with inferiority complexes about African culture. Ghariokwu Lemi’s front-cover portrays a suited-up been-to, dressed like a cartoon British toff, as he parachutes into a Lagos street to the bemusement of passers-by. The back cover shows a more funkily dressed been-to, wearing US-style ghetto-chic, but looking equally out of place. See how these JJD’s dress and talk, sings Fela, they are trying to be foreigners. In response, the chorus repeat the single word “original.” This is a reference to Fela’s closing line on 1973’s “Gentleman” – “I no be gentleman at all-o, I be Africa man, original.” "
	11:19am rw: Good morning!
	11:19am WM: @tom tom: what essay or overview are you referring to?
	11:19am Jeff Golick: rw!
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WM @11:19 it's a series of lectures given by a britsh scholar...it's a verso publication....do i have some thing wrong?
	11:22am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:18 “Been-to” is delightfully pithy. Frantz Fanon in his grave is kicking himself.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:22 ...or maybe that's just how he dances...
	11:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:21 gillian rose
	11:25am tom tom the pipers son: actually let me take back my comment at 11:15 don't like the way it's leaning
	11:25am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 If the overview was discussing classic Frankfurt School thought, then I’m going to opine that the Frankfurters could not anticipate the cultural formations of the 21st century: the return of authoritarianism that might have foreseen, but I don’t think they were great on empire and migration
	11:26am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:15 'Exchange-value' a la Marx goes beyond trade in the everyday sense, and has more to do with a reductive template in which human beings are transmuted into market value based mainly on their potential to labour; a scenario in which life is worth nothing once work is removed. The so-called Frankfurt School were attempting to codify the DNA of fascism in order to perhaps take it apart utterly, so examining dehumanization in the 'marketplace' was a key piece of Marxian thought to build upon
	11:27am WM: That critique reminds me of a book I reviewed some years ago, Cash Values: The Value of Money the Nature of Worth by Craig Gay.
	11:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @11:26 thanks, i was over simplifying
	11:29am StringOFperils: It's still not easy to comprehend...hard to examine the Matrix when you're it
	11:30am DJ Peter: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:25 Thanks for voicing it, and for taking the risk! I think the issue is that the Frankfurters had a very pessimistic view of commodity culture. EG Adorno could not see that culture could be recycled in a resistant fashion. Sampling or remixing would be completely constrained by capitalism in his eyes whereas we might argue that it’s a form of speaking back to capitalism by reworking a musical commodity
	11:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:25 maybe, but i see something there, though with the collapsing of the "formerly" colonized world into the developed world which resonates with the frankfurt school
	11:31am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:30 So the hair culture that you are observing is on that line. Put another way: for Adorno there is no meaning to style. A car with tailfins is a car with useless ornamentation
	11:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" Best Wanna-be-Beatles song EVER!
	11:33am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" I recall this was one of the first Beatlesque hits on Top 40 back then. Pretty good.
	11:33am luka: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" i used to listen to a lot of am sports radio in chicago. dark days. but, one of the better shows had a weekly segment about people being full of crap and this song was part of the medley/intro to the segment.
	11:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:30 yes, in my reading the lecturer says adorno's opinion about jazz for instance has been mis characterized
	11:34am Jeff Golick: ↳ luka @11:33 Love it.
	11:35am StringOFperils: When Marx began writing about it in the last half of the 1800s, he was concerned (from an economist's standpoint) to see how local miners were being exploited by the power of capital held by the mine owners. He could see the kernal of social destruction in their de-facto dehumanization. He wrote about it while working as a young journaliist...before he ever move to London and expanded on his ideas.
	11:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ DJ Peter @11:31 right, exactly, that's what i'm trying to describe
	11:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Lies" by "The Knickerbockers" NJ's own. A little too tight & Pro to be GarageRawk - but some Frat crossover & that spirit...
	11:36am WM: You might be thinking about the Austrian economist Carl Menger who wrote The Origins of Money, although he was not associated with the Frankfurt school.
	11:36am DJ Peter: "party awn rey-rey wowwmn" ! (i usually think of Stevie as being very clear but that's the bluesiest, Joe Turner-iest delivery I've heard him do)
	11:37am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:36 I had no idea what he was saying there, until I finally looked at the song title.
	11:37am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Boogie On Reggae Woman" by "Stevie Wonder" Am I remembering correctly enough to say the synthy bass on this was fairly new, especially as a bass part.
	11:39am mic_a: Hello, Jeff and DOers. Dead man's switch -- still alive here. They kicked me out of the Frankfurt School for asking if I could have a hot dog and gladly pay them on Tuesday.
	11:39am StringOFperils: Marcuse was the nastiest cafeteria lady
	11:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ mic_a @11:39 ha!
	11:42am doctorjazz: ↳ TDK60 @11:37 I recall the same thing, it was a new way to lay down the bass.
	11:42am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Can there be Commercial FolkMuzix ? & have Pop ~ Rawk been it. Not to say Jazzes & HipHops... & then that Corporate Distribution system collapsed too... Both more Corporately centralized - & more available with New Media @ the same time (everyone can hear or see you ...but no support to do it - & no Promotion & who cares.) More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer - that's for sure. Even the means by which Artists (...Influencers ...whoever they are. & whatever they do ...exactly...) might promote themselves. Especially these Tech means. In fact...
	11:43am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Rawk rose with the demographix of young people having more Money - & the Class & Race implications of this too...
	11:44am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" BAWSTINRAWK
	11:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...always been an element of having our own Culture sold back to us...
	11:46am StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" I have this album and it's the bee's knees
	11:48am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Eno positing - probly quoting someone else in fact - that Art is exactly everything's that's not strictly Necessary... But I think there's limits to that assertion - given Human Nature, & that of our Society, in fact... That is - we Need It very much actually.
	11:48am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:35 In 1966 there were two dance party shows on channel 9 in L.A. - Ninth Street West and Boss City. Ten year old me was smitten with both of them. The Knickerbockers were regular guests. As a matter of fact, the chubby guy with a sprayed pompadour was a great raconteur. Yes, they wore suits and had short hair, but they were adored.
	11:48am tom tom the pipers son: @ jeff...really like your rock'n'roll final sets like doug's soul set something to send you home with
	11:48am DJ Peter: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:48 probably quoting Kant. art is purposiveness without purpose
	11:49am TDK60: ↳ Song: "You'll Never Do It Baby" by "The Lyres" I saw The Lyres on a day the singer had apparently had too much fun before the show. He fell off the stage at one point.
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 I also saw a very disappointing latter-day Lyres show.
	11:49am Andrew in Toronto: What an excellent show! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:50am StringOFperils: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:48 Artists make statements to put people on the back foot, to make them off balance so they're forced to reexamine their received notions about everything. Artists aren't worth much as artists if they don't....they're probably masquerading as artists.
	11:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:49 the 90's liars were always keen on separating themselve from the lyres
	11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 Seems MonoMan is known for two things. Totally Bringing It. & Falling Over sometimes.
	11:51am doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff, dug the show!
	11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What a neat-o Set.
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:51 Rev: It was a good show, still.
	11:52am StringOFperils: This is one album I've nevah hoid at all
	11:52am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ StringOFperils @11:50 ' To comfort the disturbed - & to disturb the comfortable. '
	11:52am doctorjazz: (I-ahem- can't quote Kant, but interesting discussion nonetheless)
	11:52am hyde: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 as someone who has seen the Lyres a lot, that's not atypical
	11:53am tom tom the pipers son: thanks folks for not tearing my comment apart and sharing your wealth of knowledge @jeff enjoyed the whole show...:)
	11:53am StringOFperils: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:52 I like that!
	11:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:48 Yeah very Pro. But Bringing It.
	11:53am Franco Twinkie: ↳ TDK60 @11:49 Ha! I saw them at Maxwell's one freezing night, and Mono Man drank a whole can of Hi C grape party punch and let most of it run down the front of his shirt.
	11:55am Jeff Golick: Yooo Franco Twinkie! Thanks for the elevated conversation, everybody.
	11:55am Franco Twinkie: Hi/bye Jeff!
	11:56am TDK60: Ho Franco. This leads me to a tangent of recalling, my asking friends in the '70s how concerts were that I missed. All kinds of stories were uttered about who got too high or who got lost or, other druggy escapades. I always stubbornly insisted on asking how the music was.
	11:57am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	11:58am hyde: thanks for the tunes!
	11:58am mic_a: Thanks! Be good!
	11:58am TDK60: Gracias, DJ Jeff.
	11:58am Franco Twinkie: ↳ TDK60 @11:56 The music was fantastic.
	11:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ StringOFperils @11:50 & as Boowie said - never play to the gallery.
	11:59am TDK60: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:58 HA!
	11:59am StringOFperils: Merci bouquets, Jeff and attendant hive-mind. It's been lovely.
	11:59am WR: Thank you, Jeff.
	12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	11:05pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Eef Laat" by "Tim Berne & Bill Frisell" Hey, Jeff, catching the show on archive and just a comment on the title Eef Laat. Obviously a pun (as you correctly pronounced it), but Eef is also the Dutch language version of Eve, pronounced "Afe." So I wonder if there is a real person connected to the title. Surprisingly pleasant record. The original Frisell-Berne record is more aggressive and clang-ey. In this one, all the compositions are credited to Berne, and Frisell seems to be playing responses and accompaniment, at which he is the best in the world. IMHO.
	11:15pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "1 face b" by "François Tusques & Sunny Murray" A little confused over your track listing. Doesn't "face b" mean Side B? We're clearly hearing the Monk tune Crepescule With Nellie (which is listed on the cover). Maybe you explained this when you announced it. I feel terrible about missing the live show... I apologize to you and to all the people heading outsward.

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