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Artist Track Album Label Approx. start time
Bossa Combo  Qui Mele'm   Favoriting Te Quiero  Marc  0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Les Diables Bleus Du Cap Haitien  Deception   Favoriting Haiti  Tam Tam  0:08:54 (Pop-up)
Les Leopards  Imprevu   Favoriting 8° Anniversaire  Hit Parade  0:14:41 (Pop-up)
 
Gato e' Monte & Felipe Orjuela  Promesa de Monserrate   Favoriting LA DOSIS M​Á​XIMA  In Correcto  0:22:36 (Pop-up)
Etienne Jaumet  Unity (DJ Sotofett's Unity Dub)   Favoriting 7"  Versatile  0:26:44 (Pop-up)
African Head Charge  No, Don't Follow Fashion   Favoriting Drumming Is a Language (1990-2011)  On-U Sound  0:30:03 (Pop-up)
Château Flight  Allô?   Favoriting La Folie Studio  Versatile  0:38:15 (Pop-up)
Palais Schaumburg  Ahoi, Nicht Traurig Sein   Favoriting Palais Schaumburg  Virgin  0:41:38 (Pop-up)
Etienne Jaumet  Theme De Yoyo   Favoriting 8 Regards Obliques  Versatile  0:44:39 (Pop-up)
Lawrence  [untitled]   Favoriting Teaser  Kompakt  0:50:29 (Pop-up)
 
        1:01:23 (Pop-up)
Jan Esbra  Eternally Recurring   Favoriting Temporary Objects  Self-Released  1:02:34 (Pop-up)
H TO O  Inflation   Favoriting Cycle  Wisdom Teeth  1:06:47 (Pop-up)
Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo  Muinaisten vitsausten hylly   Favoriting Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo  VHF  1:12:13 (Pop-up)
Anna Webber with Matt Mitchell and John Hollenbeck  Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)   Favoriting simpletrio2000  Intakt  1:17:45 (Pop-up)
Anni Kiviniemi Trio  Tiu Dropar   Favoriting Eir  We Jazz  1:22:47 (Pop-up)
 
Johnny Chang & Keir GoGwilt with Celeste Oram  Who Follows Me = Qui Sequitur Me   Favoriting Hope Lies Fallow  Another Timbre  1:32:38 (Pop-up)
Anthony Cheung, Miranda Cuckson  III. Nocturne. Half-Remembered   Favoriting Anthony Cheung: All Roads  New Focus  1:43:52 (Pop-up)
Andrew West  Olivier Messiaen: XI Première communion de la Vierge From 20 Regards sur l’Enfant Jesus   Favoriting Project Paloma IV: Second World War Masterpieces for flute & piano  Zefirrecords  1:49:30 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:02pm
tom tom the pipers son:

howdy sam and all...nice image!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:03pm
Bobby:

Left my watch with the horse, how late is it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:03pm
Sam Segal:

Heya, Tom Tom! Thought it was a pretty cool landscape. I like the blue thing in the lower right corner.
  10:03pm
Carmichael:

Sam, folks <nods head>
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm
coelacanth∅:

greetings Sam, centaurs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm
Sam Segal:

↳ Bobby @10:03
Bobby…I’m not sure how to break this to you…but it might be, well…later than you think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm
Sam Segal:

↳ Carmichael @10:03
*Nods vigorously*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:05pm
Sam Segal:

↳ coelacanth∅ @10:04
Howdy, Coel!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:05pm
zzz:

howdy DJ SS and folks. got me groovin ✌️
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm
Sam Segal:

Good to see ya locked in and grooving, zzz!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:10pm
Manta:

hello!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:12pm
Sam Segal:

Manta in the house!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:12pm
WR:

Springfield Ohio in the house.

Yes, that is sorta bad taste.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13pm
Sam Segal:

↳ WR @10:12
It is why Haiti was on my mind. Welcome, WR!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13pm
zzz:

i was tasked with making a playlist for a party happening saturday afternoon and i might have to hit 'em with some of these here haiti jammers
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:14pm
Manta:

↳ Sam Segal @10:12
Had to take some Benadryl to deal with some hay fever so definitely locked in for these grooves too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:15pm
Sam Segal:

↳ zzz @10:13
Do it to ‘em, zzz.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:16pm
Sam Segal:

↳ Manta @10:14
Damn, if I’d known you would be on Benadryl, I would’ve put together a chopped and screwed set.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:20pm
tom tom the pipers son:

i remember conan o'brien did a bit in haiti that was pretty good with interviews with people who were critical of u.s....obviously, but o'brien let them speak...irc
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:21pm
WR:

↳ Sam Segal @10:13
A year ago there were articles about cities like Dayton Ohio and Louisville Kentucky (and probably same thing happening in Springfield) where the cities were doing outreach to encourage immigrants, ease them into the community. A needed influx of people wanting and able to work. Set them up to be a target. Sad.
Avatar 10:23pm
northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:20
i saw that!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23pm
drowsy:

SAME! I have no roll game. My Norwegian inlaws try to make me say 'smør' all the time....
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:24pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @10:23
pretty good, right....probably better than what cnn would do
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:24pm
WR:

↳ Manta @10:14
Just took my dose of diphenhydramine HCI and guaifenesin to help me make it through the night.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
drowsy:

I think the Springfield residents are suing for damages, which is righteous.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
zzz:

↳ Song: "Promesa de Monserrate" by "Gato e' Monte & Felipe...
reminding me i was so pleased to see a piece on Meridian Brothers in this weeks new yorker. havent read it yet
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @10:23
There’s gotta be a way we can train our tongues to do this. There’s GOT TO BE!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
Sam Segal:

↳ zzz @10:25
Oh woah I hadn’t seen that. Gotta check it out. They deserve to be one of the biggest bands in the world!
Avatar 10:26pm
northguineahills:

the pic above is now part of the brooklyn bridge park...
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:26pm
tom tom the pipers son:

i'm taking benedryl also for an allergic reaction to medication
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:26pm
drowsy:

↳ Sam Segal @10:25
I shudder to think.. It probably involves electroconvulsive therapy. I'd do it if there was a money-back guarantee.
Avatar 10:27pm
northguineahills:

↳ Sam Segal @10:25
i came naturally for me, even before i knew spanish....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm
Sam Segal:

↳ northguineahills @10:26
I wonder if they knocked down that building on the right when they built the park.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @10:26
I didn’t know Norwegian involved rolled Rs.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:28pm
WR:

↳ Sam Segal @10:25
I bet there are some youtube vids to tutor us lazy tongue folks to roll.
Avatar 10:29pm
northguineahills:

↳ Sam Segal @10:27
nothing is there anymore from back then (just an new condo bldg w/ retail on the bottom floor east of the park)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:30pm
drowsy:

↳ Sam Segal @10:28
I think the Oslo side does it more than the Bergen side, but I can't even hang with the westies...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:31pm
drowsy:

↳ northguineahills @10:27
NGH - mad jealous. It's like there's a circuit breaker that popped.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:31pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @10:30
What are the Western Norwegians like in your experience?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:32pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Sam Segal @10:25
i have no trouble with the tongue roll and it's variations but 've never been able to do that germanic choking-sound thing
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:33pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @10:29
almost looks like a penned in area for swimming in the middleground? could that be?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:34pm
doctorjazz:

Quick hi, here for a bit
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm
doctorjazz:

↳ Song: "No, Don't Follow Fashion" by "African Head Charge"
This is cool!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm
drowsy:

↳ Sam Segal @10:31
Pretty chill, in my small sample size. I'd say Oslo:Bergen :: Boston : Ann Arbor. I say that as a fan of all four
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:36pm
Sam Segal:

↳ doctorjazz @10:34
Doc, good to see ya!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:37pm
drowsy:

↳ coelacanth∅ @10:32
Don't even get me started on ululation or glottal stops. I'm trash tier.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:38pm
drowsy:

Grew up in Boston where you didn't need as many R's, and vowels were also reduced.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:39pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @10:38
I grew up in the very Norwegian state of Minnesota, so I’ve got no excuse, apparently.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:40pm
tom tom the pipers son:

hey adams indicted...yeah
Avatar 10:41pm
still b/p:

↳ drowsy @10:38
We MA natives did need sufficient Rs on hand, though, for the extra insertions: "Did you see that? I sawrrit."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:41pm
zzz:

↳ drowsy @10:38
recently saw the Simpson's episode where Mayor Quimby's nephew almost kills someone because they cant "Chowdah"
Avatar 10:42pm
northguineahills:

↳ zzz @10:41
this one? frinkiac.com...
Avatar 10:43pm
northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:33
i think that area is filled in now...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:43pm
drowsy:

↳ zzz @10:41
I almost got killed when I got to Chicago and all my new and large Nebraska friends got tired of asking me to repeat what I'd said...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:43pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ drowsy @10:37
haha! i'm a ululator going way back! and used to be an almost passable yodeler but i may've lost that. (i could whistle-yodel too)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:43pm
zzz:

↳ northguineahills @10:42
hilarious. yesss
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:44pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @10:43
yeah sure, but then...swimming in east river?
Avatar 10:44pm
northguineahills:

↳ drowsy @10:31
i used to roll my tongue as a kid for no reason. not sure why. (not Rs, just for noise)
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:44pm
tom tom the pipers son:

mayor eric adams indicted on corruption charges
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:44pm
drowsy:

↳ coelacanth∅ @10:43
I salute all those skills, for real.
  10:45pm
Carmichael:

He he, try moving from Ireland to California. People didn’t know wtf I was saying.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:45pm
WR:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44
Yes, just saw that he was served but the details are not available yet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Carmichael @10:45
but they still probably Loved to hear you speak!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45pm
Sam Segal:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44
Oh wow! You just broke this news to me.
Avatar 10:46pm
northguineahills:

↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet"
theme de yoyo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:46pm
drowsy:

yeah tom tom
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:46pm
zzz:

↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet"
HIP!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:47pm
doctorjazz:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44
Just got An email about this from the NY Times
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:47pm
drowsy:

↳ Carmichael @10:45
I would ask you to repeat things bc I'd love it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:47pm
Sam Segal:

↳ zzz @10:46
This record’s great. All avant jazz covers.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:48pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ WR @10:45
he's been investigated for illegal calpaign funding i believe, maybe tied to that
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:48pm
doctorjazz:

Bass reminds me of an early Art Ensemble tune
Avatar 10:48pm
northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44
it used to be a series of piers. what you see in the background is part of an L shaped pier for small watercraft.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:49pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:48
campaign
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northguineahills:

↳ doctorjazz @10:48
b/c it is an art ensemble cover....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:49pm
chresti:

I used to cross 2 fingers and stick my tongue where the fingers intercept to make it feel like I have a forked tongue
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50pm
zzz:

↳ Sam Segal @10:47
very cool, bookmarking the bandcamp to revisit
etiennejaumet.bandcamp.com...
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:50pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @10:48
right... was kinda thinking that too.makes more sense
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:51pm
doctorjazz:

↳ northguineahills @10:49
I didn't remember the name of the tune (Genya Ravan/10 Wheel Drive borrowed the bass line as well)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:52pm
chresti:

↳ northguineahills @10:44
tongue tricks
Avatar 10:52pm
northguineahills:

↳ Song: "[untitled]" by "Lawrence"
l love this album! it sort goes into a post-rock meets minimal techno directions at time..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:53pm
drowsy:

This set is good energy for this hour, thanks Sam.
Avatar 10:54pm
northguineahills:

↳ doctorjazz @10:51
so did jagga jazzist horns w/ motorpsycho.... (the first version i heard)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:54pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @10:53
Glad you’re digging it, drowsy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:54pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ chresti @10:52
"Tonight on David Letterman: Stupid Tongue Tricks"
... seems like it might get a bit steamy in the studio
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:55pm
Sam Segal:

↳ northguineahills @10:52
Just discovering Lawrence! I really want to dig more into his discography. Love this album.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:57pm
zzz:

↳ drowsy @10:53
agreed!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:57pm
spodiodi:

greetings, Sam!
have been listening and digging since the beginning
Avatar 10:58pm
northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54
french is easy to read, not too hard to pronounce. but hard to understand when spoken. german is easish, but damn, the grammar is very hard!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:58pm
tom tom the pipers son:

french....german is really difficult to learn
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
spodiodi:

french;
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
zzz:

portuguese
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northguineahills:

↳ northguineahills @10:58
(german isn't too hard to understand when spoken imho)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
chresti:

↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54
my tongue trick would require a close-up of the fingers on the tongue
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
drowsy:

l'ocho?
  11:00pm
arlo:

huit (8)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:00pm
coelacanth∅:

german! because it's less common in the states -more useless.
+ it's harder, so more impressive
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:00pm
chresti:

whoo-eat
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Bobby:

I know I hear the track that got sampled on Meat Grinder!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:00pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ spodiodi @10:57
aloha spodiodi!
  11:00pm
Carmichael:

Took 4 years of German in high school. Don’t know a lick of French. I think French is more useful in the world.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:00pm
Oxidized:

Whichever cuisine you like better -- whichever it would be handy to read on a restaurant menu.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:01pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @10:58
and germans are more forgiving with "auslanders" trying to speak the language than the french
Avatar 11:01pm
northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00
it used to be very common in the states. now outside of few places in the midwest and texas, it's rare...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:01pm
doctorjazz:

French is so pretty sounding, German is so harsh sounding...French is my vote.
Avatar 11:01pm
northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:01
i found that out firsthand in paris...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm
drowsy:

If your electronics and robotics manuals are all in German, then do that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm
chresti:

Sam if you speak any Swedish, then German
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ zzz @10:59
i like zzz's suggestion: portuguese
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03pm
Sam Segal:

↳ Bobby @11:00
Yessir!
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northguineahills:

↳ chresti @11:02
if you know german, you just have to get drunk, and stick a potato in your mouth speak swedish. for danish, two potatos...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03pm
Sam Segal:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00
See, I think this is what’s drawing me to German. The contrarian in me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:04pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ northguineahills @11:01
yeah...french seems almost ubiquitous -like spanish
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:04pm
Sam Segal:

↳ chresti @11:00
But then if I learned French, I’d be impressive like Chresti!
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northguineahills:

↳ zzz @10:59
for portuguese, if you know spanish, just affect a russian accent (and also get drunk)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:04pm
Sam Segal:

↳ spodiodi @10:57
Ahoy, Spodi!
  11:05pm
arlo:

howdy, sam & lost horse folk. lurking on & off in the field
Avatar 11:05pm
northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04
and french is still spoken natively in the US, mostly in northern maine, and if you count cajun and creole dialects.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm
Sam Segal:

↳ northguineahills @10:58
This echoes a lot of sentiment I’ve read online. It’s a tough trade off. I understand German grammar is more systematic (difficult system), whereas French is somewhat easier grammatically but has lots of irregular things happening that you just have to memorize.
Avatar 11:06pm
northguineahills:

↳ northguineahills @11:05
(not to be confused w/ haitian kreol.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm
coelacanth∅:

learning a chinese language (cantonese, probably?) seems useful for when you buy complicated things made in china, to understand the manuals!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm
drowsy:

↳ northguineahills @11:05
I was going to say... Canada is right there, might be fun to speak French there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm
Sam Segal:

↳ zzz @10:59
Based on your experience in Portugal…would it be extremely cool to speak Portuguese? I feel like of course it would…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm
zzz:

↳ northguineahills @11:04
was just in portugal and this captures the accent for a lot of ppl i heard
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm
Sam Segal:

↳ arlo @11:00
Merci, Arlo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm
doctorjazz:

Still working on my English...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm
Sam Segal:

↳ Oxidized @11:00
Now based on this advice, I’d have to go with French.
Avatar 11:08pm
northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06
tonal languages are really hard.

thankfully, japanese is not a tonal language. its grammar is not too hard, but it's very different from english.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:08pm
drowsy:

New Hampshire has Bienvenue on their signs, it's calling you northwards towards francophonie
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northguineahills:

↳ doctorjazz @11:07
as am i!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:08pm
Sam Segal:

↳ northguineahills @11:03
Oh wow…so German is kind of a three-for-one deal. See that’s compelling!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:08pm
Sam Segal:

↳ arlo @11:05
Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Arlo!
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spodiodi:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00
aloha, coelacanthØ!
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northguineahills:

↳ drowsy @11:06
they've spoken french there since before there was a united states... (northern maine)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:09pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Sam Segal @11:07
i'm not so sure i like either french or german food much.
...sauerkraut... that's about it!
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northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06
now, if you really want to twist your mind around something, try a tonal language that uses a latin alphabet (vietnamese)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
Sam Segal:

↳ drowsy @11:08
I have been wanting to do a road trip to Quebec…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
drowsy:

OK, speaking of mouthy sounds, with French you get to use raspberry sounds as legit communication, that's cool.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
doctorjazz:

Was in Denmark this summer, and watching a danish show (Borgen). Thr language does sound very Germanic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ northguineahills @11:08
i like hearing the japanese language a lot
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
Sam Segal:

This is all very ambitious when I can’t even roll my Rs.
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northguineahills:

↳ Sam Segal @11:08
(and norweigian [i find that easier than swedish if you know german]) now icelandic, is impenetrable. it's basically old norse w/ a few updates.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:11pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:10
(the chinese ones not so much)
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Sam Segal:

↳ northguineahills @11:11
You speak a lot of languages, NGH.
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WR:

Depends on your purpose. If you just want to be able to reasonably pronounce, you should be able to do both. if you want to be conversational or read text, for either, it is a commitment. The choice would then be the one which are you likely to be have the most reinforcement. As a youth, I was thinking of learning German because so many early translations of Asian text, traditions, were done to German first. Also want to see if I could make better progress with Hegel and Heidegger in the original language. Never happened. but anyway, for success, I think you need to consider what conditions you would be able to draw on to help you immerse.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:12pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ arlo @11:05
'evening arlo
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tom tom the pipers son:

@coelacanthe:re: gastric "brain" i think your argument was based on a mind body split which is foundational to artificial intelligence propaghanda which you loathe.....you dropped convo...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:13pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ northguineahills @11:09
i want to hear extensive samples of every asian language, one after another. this is fascinating
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:14pm
Sam Segal:

↳ WR @11:12
I think it would be fun to read German literature…but that does require you to get to a level of mastery that would be tougher than French, where I do think there would be more opportunities to speak the language here in NY. Alternatively, I should probably just learn Spanish.
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northguineahills:

↳ Sam Segal @11:11
only two fluently. french and german and japanese can be passable. but i can id most languages just by lisening, and i know the vocab of many languages. reading a language (in a latin alphabet/or transliteration thereof) is easy, listening, takes a lot of effort, speaking is very hard for me....
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drowsy:

↳ northguineahills @11:09
True. And it lasted a while. I think you could hear Mass in french in Worcester up until the '80s. (I have some Acadian in me somewhere.)
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doctorjazz:

Missed Sweden this summer (family was there, had my infamous passport snafu), will get there next summer (and visit Copenhagen again, really liked that city)
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Sam Segal @11:14
spanish is a great idea and probably most useful
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northguineahills:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:13
korean and japanese are closely related, but drifted apart about 2.5k years ago. grammatically similar, but I only know a few words and phrases in korean.
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northguineahills:

all of the chinese dialects (really, there own languages, there over a dozen), is really hard, as they are not mutually understandable, but since they use the same characters for everything, anyone in china can communicate w/ anyone else.
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tom tom the pipers son:

spanish you can get daily use from, not just when you are a tourist
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drowsy:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13
gastric "brain" is the thing to which I assign credit when I find myself at a red light I did not recall stopping for.... what else could it be?
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drowsy:

oh yeah, totally ready for a Horsey jazz set
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ drowsy @11:17
anal brain...?
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Sam Segal @11:14
not to say your wrong, but it seems to me good translations of german writing is easy, common because of the similarities of english & german.
for me, personally, it'd be more useful to be able to read spanish and russian - where i think a lot of meaning is lost with poor translations
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doctorjazz:

Being able to use a language regularly is the only way to become at all fluent. I took Yiddish closed agrees ago, but aside from learning how the alphabetn works, never was able to converse, because people to converse with are few.
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drowsy:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:18
the gut, anyways.
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Sam Segal:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:18
I could be wrong but I just imagine German as this language where a lot of meaning gets lost in translation. They’ve got all these words that don’t have a direct English counterpart…but may be that’s overstated.
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doctorjazz:

↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ...
Weber is playing in the NY area soon (I think with this trio, also other configurations)
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ drowsy @11:19
did you see thread on bodega pop?
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Sam Segal @11:20
yes... thinking further i think you're absolutely correct.
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drowsy:

↳ doctorjazz @11:19
I took ancient Hebrew in college bc 1) really wanted to try a non roman alpha on for size 2) when I stared at Hebrew it did not do the Looney Tunes thing of morphing into English 3) dead language, no oral exams.
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Sam Segal:

↳ doctorjazz @11:20
Jazz Gallery tomorrow!
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coelacanth∅:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:21
(i think i've been lucky with my Hesse translations)
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drowsy:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:20
yep
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zzz:

↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ...
aaaaahhhh this is killller
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Sam Segal:

↳ zzz @11:22
Killer band.
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Sam Segal @11:20
depends where in germany you go but, in berlin you can get by with rudimentary german and most berliners speak english
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WR:

↳ Sam Segal @11:14
At one point I could read Spanish passibly with some dictionary help. Never got beyond very very basic conversational. It would take some effort to get back to that. And my orientation due to marriage changed to Japanese. After 35 years still very much a beginner with Japanese. Haven't made the needed commitment of one or more hours a day, 6 days a week of study plus regular consumption of movies/tv/music for the extended time it takes to really make progress. My family members lost patience with me years ago.
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Sam Segal:

↳ WR @11:23
1 hour a day + is quite a commitment. I think going to France made me feel some humiliation about being monolingual. Got me fantasizing…
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Sam Segal @11:24
zee french zay are a funny race...
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doctorjazz:

Ok, gonna go, night all, thanks Sam!
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zzz:

gotta jet,
loved the show tonight thanks much DJ SS, goodnight ppl
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coelacanth∅:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13
you are incorrect. it wasn't an argument, it was criticism of a doctor using childish and misleading terminology to a patient.
i understand the analogy. and i understand that such a statement relieves the patient of any sense of responsibility to what their body is doing. this i consider immoral, if not ill-informed.
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coelacanth∅:

'night, zzzzzzzzzz
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WR:

↳ Sam Segal @11:24
That's what it takes to actually learn a language. On the other hand, most places you go, being polite and being able to say some reasonably accurate pronounced catch phrases usually goes a long way as a traveller.
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northguineahills:

↳ zzz @11:26
night zzzzz!
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northguineahills:

Finnish, good luck. I just know how to curse in Finnish....
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Sam Segal:

↳ WR @11:29
I should stay humble and satisfy myself with that approach perhaps.
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Sam Segal:

Adios, zzz and Doc!
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:28
i don't see it that way. i think your looking at the body in a mechanistic cartesian way
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coelacanth∅:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:34
nope.
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WR:

For pronunciation of artists & titles, you can plug the text into an internet tool. It is about 80-90% spot on. Jan Turkenberg on the Sheena stream speaks Dutch, English, basic French (he lived in France a few years) and a smattering of German. He fakes his way with Spanish but with other languages he uses the internet tool. Sometimes he plays the internet tool over the air. Most times he uses it to prep himself before he back announces.
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tom tom the pipers son:

by saying the gut has a brain in no way implies that it exempts you from being pro active about your health
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tom tom the pipers son:

i think what the doctor was implying was a decentralized functioning of the body akin to holistic medicine
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arlo:

missed the Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo! just discovered that record & planning to give beaucoup airtime
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Sam Segal:

↳ arlo @11:41
It’s wonderfully fried.
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coelacanth∅:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:36
it's a romanticised and 100% incorrect statement. he/she's a doctor, not a poet, and should be communicating in factual terms.
i don't see how in any way that statement can be interpreted to imply a holistic approach. quite the contrary, it implies that the gut is it's own entity.
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Sam Segal:

↳ WR @11:36
I should definitely do this more.
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tom tom the pipers son:

well actually, in the first place i just thought it was a fun anecdote, and don't want to be put in a positionwher i'm defending some doctgor
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Bobby:

↳ Sam Segal @11:33
The first time I went to Paris I was totally out of my depth and clueless. The humiliation motivated me to do something like what WR wrote. Now when I travel I try to fight my way through learning a few basic phrases before I go, watch for cues and norms/be polite when I get there, and people have been mostly cool and nice
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Sam Segal:

↳ Bobby @11:44
Luckily, my girlfriend put in more effort in advance than I did, so she could lead a lot of interactions in very basic French. Will definitely be joining her in the prep before we travel anywhere else where English isn’t the first language.
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ coelacanth∅ @11:43
@ 11:43...but i'm beginning to come around to your point of view
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Bobby:

↳ Sam Segal @11:45
Or just travel with her!
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northguineahills:

↳ Sam Segal @11:45
Luckily, most places in Europe speak English. I tripped over my german a lot in germany. only older people couldn't speak english.
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:47
is that in berlin mostly
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Sam Segal:

↳ Bobby @11:46
But I did feel slightly odd standing off to the side saying nothing during every interaction.
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northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:47
and frankfurt (and a train ride outside of berline as well). that's the only places in germany i've been
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:48
i was in nuremberg... didn't seem like many english speakers
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Bobby:

↳ Sam Segal @11:47
My big wins are hello, goodbye, please, thank you, coffee, and may I speak English. Then I am usually out of moves
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northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:50
even the kurdish/turkish-germans in berlin spoke english.
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spodiodi:

↳ Bobby @11:50
haha i love your menu, Bobby
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:48
that's frankfurt am, a different frankfurt than the one more west
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Bobby:

↳ spodiodi @11:51
It’s an honest but limited effort haha
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:50
right i remember at the doner kebab places
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northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:51
the one in kentucky?
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:52
no frankfurt is far from berlin
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northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:52
yeah, it's just a few hours train ride to berlin.
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Manta:

Thanks, Sam!!
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tom tom the pipers son:

thanks sam....
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northguineahills:

happy thanks, sam!
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spodiodi:

thanks, Sam!!
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ northguineahills @11:53
frankfurt am main is just outside berlin
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Bobby:

Oh it’s this time already? Thanks for the show, Sam. See you around, fellow listeners
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Bobby:

Bonne nuit!
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drowsy:

thank you Sam, and fellow horseradishes
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tom tom the pipers son:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:54
when you said "a train ride out of berlin" it confused me
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Bobby:

Un café
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coelacanth∅:

"where's a toilet?" no?
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northguineahills:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:57
multiple trains different days...
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tom tom the pipers son:

wo ist the toiletten.... toiletten left over from napoleon in germant
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Sam!
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coelacanth∅:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @12:00
scheiße!
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WR:

Thank you, Sam.

音楽はありがとうございました。
On-gaku wa arigatougozaimashita.
Music, as for, thank you very much.
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chresti:

Thanks Sam!
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