WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 2, 2024

Listener comments!
	5:59pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonstorians!
	🤖 5:59pm Webhamster Henry: Techtonic Tidbit of the day: Cyber Monday came about because e-shopping ready customers, who did not have internet access at home, came to work that Monday, where there was a connection!
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi heuristic crew!
	6:03pm Hunterian: ↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59 That tidbit is both nuts and true
	6:03pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark. Techies.
	6:04pm Hugo (NL): Hi Mark! Techies 🫡
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: Hola. Mark said flying cars. Yes, but think of all the possible parking spots.
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Cybertonic Monday!
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Hunterian @6:03 Yes totally true. Another input to Cyber Monday was the urgent desire of the nascent ecommerce industry to convince people to buy stuff online, not just in-person at the mall. (Back in those days a lot of people were still wary of typing credit card numbers online.)
	6:09pm NobleDestro: It's fun to dream about, but people can scarcely Drive, you want to put thousands of them in the sky, above Society? What could possibly go right?
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, webham, chresti, Handy, Bas, Hunterian, Peter, Hugo, herb, and KfHP!
	6:10pm joe_rosevear: Hey, Techies--I'm here!
	🤖 6:10pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi joe_r, WtSG, NobleDestro!
	6:10pm San Pedro Girl: Hi Mark and all!
	🤖 6:11pm Ken From Hyde Park: Driverless semis, because that's where the money is!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: I think other than some drinks, the only things I have bought in the last four days are a new leash for the dog and a twenty-eight-pound bag of cat litter. Oh, wait, the dog and I went to the bookstore Saturday and got a couple of books!
	6:12pm --: Autonomous (driverless) vehicles will never see the light of day. Ever. Put another way, autonomous vehicles have been operating since 1955. Autopia, Disneyland.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:08 Yes indeed, signed dot-com era veteran
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ San Pedro Girl @6:10 Hi SPG!
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12 co-signed
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, exactly: no one programming the car could take seriously the homeless as a representative of humanity or just worth protecting.
	6:13pm Mattynotimes: What’s the why? The one question no one is asking
	🤖 6:15pm Deano de los Muertos: Heya Mark. Been looking forward to this one
	6:15pm Cassettivity: Curious why I rarely hear the impact this will have on the disabled and elderly. It seems to me that driverless cars would have a huge impact on their lives, no?
	6:15pm tom tom the pipers son: hello mark and all
	6:15pm Hunterian: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:08 That's an excellent point: we're not simply saving the test subjects money, we're training them.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: "My other car is a bright green city" - Alex Steffin
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi Matty, Deano, Cassettivity, tom tom
	6:16pm mndave: ↳ Mattynotimes @6:13 Venture capitalists can't profit off of improving public transit. Sad, really!
	🤖 6:17pm Ken From Hyde Park: Fewer driverless cars (and by extension, cars in general); more public transportation!
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: Not sure you can say that driverless cars have ever been developed "with the best of intentions." As Nicole just said: it's always for a profit motive. When you're stuck in capitalism -- "growth at any cost," as we say around here, being the only ethos thereof -- then there are no actual good intentions. Driverless cars are developed in order to sell driverless cars.
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: is a.i. the apogee of cartesianism?
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: The Techfixopolists will solve everything!
	6:20pm Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:17 I believe capitalism allows for regulation, no? So, its not 'growth at any cost'? And also, 'profitable' usually means 'solved a problem that lots of people are willing to pay for'
	6:20pm ultradamno: ...or the response will be "nothing you're going to do"
	6:20pm Ed: ↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59 interesting!
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @6:20 Regulation is imposed on capitalism: it is always its enemy. And profitable usually means "created a demand that didn't exist." So ... I guess I disagree.
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: Will the human with perfect algorithms stand up now?
	6:21pm --: Capitalism does not "allow for" regulation. On occasion capital demands regulation to protect monopoly.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: They are turning on old decommissioned plants on fro AI Power (and crypto of course)
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: "I'm not pirating movies, I'm training my model!"
	6:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 3 mile island for one
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:22 m.xkcd.com...
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: AI is not asking itself questions yet as far as I know. When it asks itself "design me an optimal version of myself" and orders its own parts and gets taskrabbits to assemble it, that's the real end.
	6:27pm Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:21 Im not an expert, but have read some things on the notion that the capitalism we have now is perverse, in that regulations are skirted, anti trust not enfored, etc. Not that capitalism cannot exist if regulated, but instead they can co-exist (and should!)
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: If the "face jail" was really just a virtual huge, hi-res video screen, I'd love that because I have no wall space.
	6:30pm Julian in LA: i did an escape room with a friend wearing those ray bans glasses without anyone knowing... when we done he showed me the video and it was creepy AF
	🤖 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:23 Division by zero error, need to start over!
	6:31pm chrisw: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:29 I'm listening from face jail right now. It actually does do that. 5140x2160 screen for my mac.
	🤖 6:32pm Bas NL: I'd love a pair of specs that -when i meet people- would whispers their names to me. I'm terrible with names..
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: Hey! non-surveillance Ray-Bans are fun!
	6:33pm ultradamno: Netflix has a new series called Man On The Inside in which Ted Danson plays a retiree who gets hired by a PI to investigate the theft of a necklace belonging to a resident of a nursing home. He wears camera glasses. None of these concerns are addressed, it mostly is played as cute.
	6:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Cassettivity @6:27 idk if regulated capitalism means turning back the clock which is difficult to do... idk if it takes more than the will power to pass legislation
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ chrisw @6:31 Yeah - so just only do that, and fancy ass AirPod with spatialization, but no cameras or fake faces.
	6:34pm mndave: Is there an Apple Intelligence ad that isn't showcasing an awful human covering up their negligence or ignorance, because if so, I haven't seen it. That's their use case.
	6:34pm tom tom the pipers son: city as computer... a robert moses future wet dream come true
	6:35pm luca: what's nicole's stance on quantum computing? if ever, it breaks through, privacy may be gone forever
	6:36pm disco_nap_: I’m currently on the move but wanted to check in to say how much I’m enjoying listening to Techtonic live for the first time in quite a while! Just watched Hypernormalisation as well…
	6:36pm Cassettivity: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:33 agree, very hard to take back whats already been 'taken'... I hope that someone comes along and breaks things up. Give us back our local banks!
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:36 Yo, disco_nap_!
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:36 Thanks, disco_nap_!
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Cassettivity @6:36 I agree - antitrust is a good step in the right direction. Just have to hope it continues after January...
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: Scary futuristic city being built now: The Line en.wikipedia.org...
	6:39pm --: Quantum hacking: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/10/the-sad-bizarre-tale-of-hype-fueling-fears-that-modern-cryptography-is-dead/
	6:39pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 probably built by same workforce the built the olympic stadiums
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:39 workforce that was abused
	6:41pm luca: ↳ -- @6:39 thanks a bunch!
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: From the article: "Aside from the merits of the projected city, there was also scrutiny of the actions of the Saudi government in pursuing the project. In October 2022, three men of the Howeitat tribe, Shadli, Ibrahim, and Ataullah al-Huwaiti, were sentenced to death when they refused to vacate their village as part of the NEOM project.[36]"
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: There are definitely use cases for people carrying drone craft that can get to isolated spots that aren't too isolated.
	6:43pm Cassettivity: I'm going to get in trouble here, but tech does this, they spend millions on market research to understand how the tech will be used, adopted, etc. If you show up to try and raise money can can't show that you understand how people will use something, and what problem its solving,you won't get past a seed round lol
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Trojan Women-ing Big Tech is our last line of defense?
	6:46pm disco_nap_: Hello Handy and Mark! 👯‍♂️
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Pivot to business -> enshittification
	6:47pm wenzo: Thanks Mark! Book sounds good!
	6:47pm tom tom the pipers son: u.s. investment in angola to build rail ways to transport cobalt, etc, from mines in drc just to feed big tech...collusion of gov't and private business= gov't privatized
	6:48pm StringOFperils: Good interview. Good talking points.
	🤖 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:44 Also, dogs can sense cyborgs and always bark at them. "Isn't that right, Wolfie?"
	6:48pm --: Well, Segway did lead to Mall Cop.
	6:49pm ultradamno: I saw a segway in a parking lot of a multiplex some years ago....security I guess
	🤖 6:49pm Mxter Baba: dorky and expensive? presente!
	6:49pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48 except rex...(sleeper)
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:49 the cops by Madison Sq. Garden had them HAHAHAHAH!
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48 Alas for Wolfie.
	6:50pm spodiodi: Hello.
	🤖 6:50pm Deano de los Muertos: Matt Warwick says he used to give segwey tours!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Ultimate Segway derivative: e-Unicycles! store.inmotionworld.com...
	6:50pm ultradamno: The thing about not dating someone wearing those glasses reminded me of, recently, Olivia Rodrigo said that she had one rule, if I guy says he wants to go to space, she won't date him...upsetting many reply guys with as much chance of going into space as dating Olivia Rodrigo
	6:51pm StringOFperils: ↳ ultradamno @6:50 HA ha
	6:51pm Jeff Moore: In case you are unaware of this Fun Fact: WFMU's own Matt Warwick used to run Segway tours of Liberty State Park.
	6:51pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:49 I'm taking you in...get in the back of my scooter
	6:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ultradamno @6:50 shows where her pool of "guys' come from
	🤖 6:52pm herb.nyc: Segway- in a Douglas coupland novel (likely microserfs, one person sez “yeah, we like to take our Segways to the parking lot and ride”. Sure, because riding to destinations isn’t practical (?).
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: ewww
	🤖 6:52pm MarciB: This is beyond horrible
	6:53pm ultradamno: Wait...are you saying she's dating aliens (dunh, dunh DUNH)
	6:53pm StringOFperils: It's going to be live video, live blood pressure, live heart-rate, live eye direction....hello Minority Report
	6:54pm wimpy: I’m sure those snap glasses are ripe to be exploited. Remember how easy it was (is?) to get into a ring camera?
	6:54pm joe_rosevear: Whoa! Don't forget to take off your Zuck glasses in the bedroom!
	6:55pm Jeff Moore: Code name Ginger! www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
	6:55pm Teknishun: Subdivisions In the high school halls In the shopping malls Conform or be cast out Subdivisions In the basement bars In the backs of cars Be cool or be cast out
	6:56pm Teknishun: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:54 Or dont...
	6:56pm Listener: Any alternative suggestions???????? Complaining doesn't help...
	6:56pm ultradamno: By the way, the recording light looks like it would be pretty easy to cover
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark and Nicole. Good ranting, Mark -- important stuff!
	6:57pm joe mulligan: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" 2009: "I'm at a restaurant, I had a hamburger" 2024: "Who cares! your data is being sold"
	6:57pm Mike Sin: "I'm at a restaurant eating a hamburger" Who cares? The 100s of people on Facebook who can';t wait to see these photos and "like" them. I don't understand that market, but the market is there for that BS.
	6:57pm Teknishun: So maybe punching people with glasses could be ok now?
	🤖 6:57pm Deano de los Muertos: 🗣️ thanks mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Nicole!!!
	6:57pm StringOFperils: ↳ Listener @6:56 Mark closes every show with the main ideas...as just stated. It's a start.
	6:57pm spodiodi: Thank you
	6:57pm listener 126464: Status update!
	6:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks mark..
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Nicole!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm StringOFperils: Thank you!
	6:58pm bleubombersune: Mark thanks, all stray safe and be well
	6:59pm disco_nap_: Thank you!! 🙏 🤖
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: ↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler" Weeeeee!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Smart cities with dumb ideas, what could possibly go wring?
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark & Nicole.
	7:00pm Hunterian: ↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler" Ein starker Abschluss! Danke, Mark!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments tonight.
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Tech you very much!
	10:48pm joe_rosevear: Thank you, Mark and Nicole!
	5:55pm Bob from Millburn: Thanks, Mark. vim, baby!
	5:56pm Bob from Millburn: ↳ Bob from Millburn @5:55 oops, wrong week

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 2, 2024

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December 2, 2024: Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future"

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Today: Nicole Kobie, author, “The Long History of the Future”

Here we are in the future and we still don't have flying cars. Nicole Kobie explains why things like driverless cars, augmented reality, and smart cities have failed to live up to the hype – all covered in her new book.

• The Long History of The Future: Why Tomorrow’s Tech Still Isn’t Here, by Nicole Kobie

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Listener comments!
	5:59pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonstorians!
	🤖 5:59pm Webhamster Henry: Techtonic Tidbit of the day: Cyber Monday came about because e-shopping ready customers, who did not have internet access at home, came to work that Monday, where there was a connection!
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi heuristic crew!
	6:03pm Hunterian: ↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59 That tidbit is both nuts and true
	6:03pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark. Techies.
	6:04pm Hugo (NL): Hi Mark! Techies 🫡
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: Hola. Mark said flying cars. Yes, but think of all the possible parking spots.
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Cybertonic Monday!
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Hunterian @6:03 Yes totally true. Another input to Cyber Monday was the urgent desire of the nascent ecommerce industry to convince people to buy stuff online, not just in-person at the mall. (Back in those days a lot of people were still wary of typing credit card numbers online.)
	6:09pm NobleDestro: It's fun to dream about, but people can scarcely Drive, you want to put thousands of them in the sky, above Society? What could possibly go right?
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, webham, chresti, Handy, Bas, Hunterian, Peter, Hugo, herb, and KfHP!
	6:10pm joe_rosevear: Hey, Techies--I'm here!
	🤖 6:10pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi joe_r, WtSG, NobleDestro!
	6:10pm San Pedro Girl: Hi Mark and all!
	🤖 6:11pm Ken From Hyde Park: Driverless semis, because that's where the money is!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: I think other than some drinks, the only things I have bought in the last four days are a new leash for the dog and a twenty-eight-pound bag of cat litter. Oh, wait, the dog and I went to the bookstore Saturday and got a couple of books!
	6:12pm --: Autonomous (driverless) vehicles will never see the light of day. Ever. Put another way, autonomous vehicles have been operating since 1955. Autopia, Disneyland.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:08 Yes indeed, signed dot-com era veteran
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ San Pedro Girl @6:10 Hi SPG!
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12 co-signed
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, exactly: no one programming the car could take seriously the homeless as a representative of humanity or just worth protecting.
	6:13pm Mattynotimes: What’s the why? The one question no one is asking
	🤖 6:15pm Deano de los Muertos: Heya Mark. Been looking forward to this one
	6:15pm Cassettivity: Curious why I rarely hear the impact this will have on the disabled and elderly. It seems to me that driverless cars would have a huge impact on their lives, no?
	6:15pm tom tom the pipers son: hello mark and all
	6:15pm Hunterian: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:08 That's an excellent point: we're not simply saving the test subjects money, we're training them.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: "My other car is a bright green city" - Alex Steffin
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi Matty, Deano, Cassettivity, tom tom
	6:16pm mndave: ↳ Mattynotimes @6:13 Venture capitalists can't profit off of improving public transit. Sad, really!
	🤖 6:17pm Ken From Hyde Park: Fewer driverless cars (and by extension, cars in general); more public transportation!
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: Not sure you can say that driverless cars have ever been developed "with the best of intentions." As Nicole just said: it's always for a profit motive. When you're stuck in capitalism -- "growth at any cost," as we say around here, being the only ethos thereof -- then there are no actual good intentions. Driverless cars are developed in order to sell driverless cars.
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: is a.i. the apogee of cartesianism?
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: The Techfixopolists will solve everything!
	6:20pm Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:17 I believe capitalism allows for regulation, no? So, its not 'growth at any cost'? And also, 'profitable' usually means 'solved a problem that lots of people are willing to pay for'
	6:20pm ultradamno: ...or the response will be "nothing you're going to do"
	6:20pm Ed: ↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59 interesting!
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @6:20 Regulation is imposed on capitalism: it is always its enemy. And profitable usually means "created a demand that didn't exist." So ... I guess I disagree.
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: Will the human with perfect algorithms stand up now?
	6:21pm --: Capitalism does not "allow for" regulation. On occasion capital demands regulation to protect monopoly.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: They are turning on old decommissioned plants on fro AI Power (and crypto of course)
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: "I'm not pirating movies, I'm training my model!"
	6:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 3 mile island for one
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:22 m.xkcd.com...
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: AI is not asking itself questions yet as far as I know. When it asks itself "design me an optimal version of myself" and orders its own parts and gets taskrabbits to assemble it, that's the real end.
	6:27pm Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:21 Im not an expert, but have read some things on the notion that the capitalism we have now is perverse, in that regulations are skirted, anti trust not enfored, etc. Not that capitalism cannot exist if regulated, but instead they can co-exist (and should!)
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: If the "face jail" was really just a virtual huge, hi-res video screen, I'd love that because I have no wall space.
	6:30pm Julian in LA: i did an escape room with a friend wearing those ray bans glasses without anyone knowing... when we done he showed me the video and it was creepy AF
	🤖 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:23 Division by zero error, need to start over!
	6:31pm chrisw: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:29 I'm listening from face jail right now. It actually does do that. 5140x2160 screen for my mac.
	🤖 6:32pm Bas NL: I'd love a pair of specs that -when i meet people- would whispers their names to me. I'm terrible with names..
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: Hey! non-surveillance Ray-Bans are fun!
	6:33pm ultradamno: Netflix has a new series called Man On The Inside in which Ted Danson plays a retiree who gets hired by a PI to investigate the theft of a necklace belonging to a resident of a nursing home. He wears camera glasses. None of these concerns are addressed, it mostly is played as cute.
	6:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Cassettivity @6:27 idk if regulated capitalism means turning back the clock which is difficult to do... idk if it takes more than the will power to pass legislation
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ chrisw @6:31 Yeah - so just only do that, and fancy ass AirPod with spatialization, but no cameras or fake faces.
	6:34pm mndave: Is there an Apple Intelligence ad that isn't showcasing an awful human covering up their negligence or ignorance, because if so, I haven't seen it. That's their use case.
	6:34pm tom tom the pipers son: city as computer... a robert moses future wet dream come true
	6:35pm luca: what's nicole's stance on quantum computing? if ever, it breaks through, privacy may be gone forever
	6:36pm disco_nap_: I’m currently on the move but wanted to check in to say how much I’m enjoying listening to Techtonic live for the first time in quite a while! Just watched Hypernormalisation as well…
	6:36pm Cassettivity: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:33 agree, very hard to take back whats already been 'taken'... I hope that someone comes along and breaks things up. Give us back our local banks!
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:36 Yo, disco_nap_!
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:36 Thanks, disco_nap_!
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Cassettivity @6:36 I agree - antitrust is a good step in the right direction. Just have to hope it continues after January...
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: Scary futuristic city being built now: The Line en.wikipedia.org...
	6:39pm --: Quantum hacking: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/10/the-sad-bizarre-tale-of-hype-fueling-fears-that-modern-cryptography-is-dead/
	6:39pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38 probably built by same workforce the built the olympic stadiums
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:39 workforce that was abused
	6:41pm luca: ↳ -- @6:39 thanks a bunch!
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: From the article: "Aside from the merits of the projected city, there was also scrutiny of the actions of the Saudi government in pursuing the project. In October 2022, three men of the Howeitat tribe, Shadli, Ibrahim, and Ataullah al-Huwaiti, were sentenced to death when they refused to vacate their village as part of the NEOM project.[36]"
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: There are definitely use cases for people carrying drone craft that can get to isolated spots that aren't too isolated.
	6:43pm Cassettivity: I'm going to get in trouble here, but tech does this, they spend millions on market research to understand how the tech will be used, adopted, etc. If you show up to try and raise money can can't show that you understand how people will use something, and what problem its solving,you won't get past a seed round lol
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Trojan Women-ing Big Tech is our last line of defense?
	6:46pm disco_nap_: Hello Handy and Mark! 👯‍♂️
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Pivot to business -> enshittification
	6:47pm wenzo: Thanks Mark! Book sounds good!
	6:47pm tom tom the pipers son: u.s. investment in angola to build rail ways to transport cobalt, etc, from mines in drc just to feed big tech...collusion of gov't and private business= gov't privatized
	6:48pm StringOFperils: Good interview. Good talking points.
	🤖 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:44 Also, dogs can sense cyborgs and always bark at them. "Isn't that right, Wolfie?"
	6:48pm --: Well, Segway did lead to Mall Cop.
	6:49pm ultradamno: I saw a segway in a parking lot of a multiplex some years ago....security I guess
	🤖 6:49pm Mxter Baba: dorky and expensive? presente!
	6:49pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48 except rex...(sleeper)
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:49 the cops by Madison Sq. Garden had them HAHAHAHAH!
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48 Alas for Wolfie.
	6:50pm spodiodi: Hello.
	🤖 6:50pm Deano de los Muertos: Matt Warwick says he used to give segwey tours!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Ultimate Segway derivative: e-Unicycles! store.inmotionworld.com...
	6:50pm ultradamno: The thing about not dating someone wearing those glasses reminded me of, recently, Olivia Rodrigo said that she had one rule, if I guy says he wants to go to space, she won't date him...upsetting many reply guys with as much chance of going into space as dating Olivia Rodrigo
	6:51pm StringOFperils: ↳ ultradamno @6:50 HA ha
	6:51pm Jeff Moore: In case you are unaware of this Fun Fact: WFMU's own Matt Warwick used to run Segway tours of Liberty State Park.
	6:51pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:49 I'm taking you in...get in the back of my scooter
	6:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ultradamno @6:50 shows where her pool of "guys' come from
	🤖 6:52pm herb.nyc: Segway- in a Douglas coupland novel (likely microserfs, one person sez “yeah, we like to take our Segways to the parking lot and ride”. Sure, because riding to destinations isn’t practical (?).
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: ewww
	🤖 6:52pm MarciB: This is beyond horrible
	6:53pm ultradamno: Wait...are you saying she's dating aliens (dunh, dunh DUNH)
	6:53pm StringOFperils: It's going to be live video, live blood pressure, live heart-rate, live eye direction....hello Minority Report
	6:54pm wimpy: I’m sure those snap glasses are ripe to be exploited. Remember how easy it was (is?) to get into a ring camera?
	6:54pm joe_rosevear: Whoa! Don't forget to take off your Zuck glasses in the bedroom!
	6:55pm Jeff Moore: Code name Ginger! www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
	6:55pm Teknishun: Subdivisions In the high school halls In the shopping malls Conform or be cast out Subdivisions In the basement bars In the backs of cars Be cool or be cast out
	6:56pm Teknishun: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:54 Or dont...
	6:56pm Listener: Any alternative suggestions???????? Complaining doesn't help...
	6:56pm ultradamno: By the way, the recording light looks like it would be pretty easy to cover
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark and Nicole. Good ranting, Mark -- important stuff!
	6:57pm joe mulligan: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" 2009: "I'm at a restaurant, I had a hamburger" 2024: "Who cares! your data is being sold"
	6:57pm Mike Sin: "I'm at a restaurant eating a hamburger" Who cares? The 100s of people on Facebook who can';t wait to see these photos and "like" them. I don't understand that market, but the market is there for that BS.
	6:57pm Teknishun: So maybe punching people with glasses could be ok now?
	🤖 6:57pm Deano de los Muertos: 🗣️ thanks mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Nicole!!!
	6:57pm StringOFperils: ↳ Listener @6:56 Mark closes every show with the main ideas...as just stated. It's a start.
	6:57pm spodiodi: Thank you
	6:57pm listener 126464: Status update!
	6:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks mark..
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Nicole!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm StringOFperils: Thank you!
	6:58pm bleubombersune: Mark thanks, all stray safe and be well
	6:59pm disco_nap_: Thank you!! 🙏 🤖
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: ↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler" Weeeeee!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Smart cities with dumb ideas, what could possibly go wring?
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark & Nicole.
	7:00pm Hunterian: ↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler" Ein starker Abschluss! Danke, Mark!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments tonight.
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Tech you very much!
	10:48pm joe_rosevear: Thank you, Mark and Nicole!
	5:55pm Bob from Millburn: Thanks, Mark. vim, baby!
	5:56pm Bob from Millburn: ↳ Bob from Millburn @5:55 oops, wrong week

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