WFMU: Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from December 8, 2024

Listener comments!
	6:02pm Threemoons 🌛🌝🌜: Heyo. Loving this starting track....
	6:02pm Adi From Sheffield: I was going to go to sleep but... This is mint 😁
	6:03pm HyperDose: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌝🌜 @6:02 Unexpected. Just how we like it!
	6:03pm hifivicky: is this AI
	6:03pm Avspuk: ↳ Song: "A Chassid in Amsterdam: Amsterdam Klezmer Band vs... Nice find, nicely placed. & props to whoever saw this was possible.
	6:04pm jeanli: ok ya got my attention
	6:04pm tom tom the pipers son: i'm tryin' not to lose my head ...oy vey.. you meshugganah
	🎻 6:05pm chresti: Why do we talk to dead mics?
	🎻 6:06pm chresti: Hi live Carol and Cullan!
	6:07pm AskJoe: We’re here!! Not sure about you!!
	6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Today is Sinéad O'Connor's birthday. RIP
	6:09pm spodiodi: greetings, Carol and Cullan and all ☀️
	6:09pm HyperDose: are tambourines classical?
	6:09pm jeanli: dude not cool
	6:12pm tom tom the pipers son: the classic mashup is christina agulaira vs. strokes
	6:13pm Spankyflop: Ken’s marathon premium this year had a great mashup featuring “In the hall of the mountain king” youtu.be...
	🎻 6:14pm Listener Robert: As to what classical music is, Leonard Bernstein took a fairly good shot at defining it as "exact music", by which he really meant "composer-specified music". That is, the music as laid out by the composer is much closer to the final product you hear than with other genres of music, wherein the instrumentation, performance, and other details can change it relatively enormously.
	6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: One mashup that's trending is the New Zealand MP haka vs. heavy metal guitar.
	6:17pm tom tom the pipers son: was expecting a glitchy tape piece
	🎻 6:18pm Listener Robert: ↳ Listener Robert @6:14 That is, you can have the same named piece done by a jug band, an orchestra, or a piano soloist -- while if you do that with a classical music piece people will understand most of the renditions as a goof. a student effort, or a temporary expedient rather than as a cover in the usual sense.
	6:19pm ViolaChica: Good evening everyone!
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: theis berio is a little ives-y
	6:20pm jeanli: ↳ Listener Robert @6:18 thank you for this definition, a worthwhile contribution to this program!
	6:21pm jeanli: this Berio piece is just so fantastic, wow!
	6:26pm jeanli: Is that photo the albumn cover for Prophets of the New? I wonder what event that was?
	🎻 6:32pm Listener Robert: Bernstein's explanation was on a recorded series. I'm the one who supplied the wording "composer-specified" because his word "exact" didn't say according to whom. He went into how in movies the "auteur" is the director, but the conductor of an orchestra was not in as influential role.
	🎻 6:34pm Dan S: Is it music written by dead white guys? :-)
	6:34pm jeanli: classical avant garde?
	6:34pm danny san: Lennon-McCartney ,,,,, writers ? composers? They were the first version of the Monkees.
	6:36pm efd: on the phone console, click the line the caller is on once to unlock it, then click drop (I think — can't be 100% sure without looking at it!)
	🎻 6:37pm Listener Robert: leonardbernstein.com...
	6:38pm ViolaChica: ↳ jeanli @6:26 That's an image from Fellini's The Orchestra Rehearsal.
	6:39pm ?: Wow, this is from 1968, only one year before the Berio!!!
	6:39pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:34 ROFL
	🎻 6:39pm Dan S: ↳ efd @6:36 Only on WFMU, the station that runs on technical advice from the comments board.
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: tried calling.... the one exception i know of to classical music being preplanned to nth degree is a derek bailey comment about organ music where there were sections left to improvisations because of the variability of mass service lengths
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:40 Call again in 5 mins! We want to talk to you!
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:39 OMG! You are making me laugh so hard right now
	🎻 6:41pm Dan S: ↳ ViolaChica @6:39 I just took off from the program's name and ran with it.
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: alrighty... i'm going to be nervous
	🎻 6:41pm Dan S: ↳ ViolaChica @6:40 I'm happy to be of service.
	6:41pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:41 That's exactly what the name is for!
	🎻 6:42pm Dan S: This is a lovely set of music.
	6:42pm David Sheldon: I recall chord indications carved in stone at the ancient Greek temple center at Delphi. Don't know if they have been performed since....
	🎻 6:43pm Dan S: ↳ David Sheldon @6:42 Have they been able to decipher those chord indications?
	6:48pm HyperDose: yay tom tom!
	🎻 6:50pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Tant con je vuray" by "Musica Reservata of London" I'm guessing "Tant con je vuray" is pre-modern French for "As far as I could see/tell". The lady who was a protege of Irwin's is MELANIE Thiele, who organized that Newt Radio stream.
	6:53pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Frottola: El Grillo by Josquin Des Prés" by "Musi... itsy, bitsy, teenie, weenie, yellow, polka dot bikini-esque alliteration
	6:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ HyperDose @6:53 funn y
	🎻 6:54pm Dan S: Too bad this show didn't have the winning theme song as chosen by the listeners on the last 7SD show. Ken awarded the winning DJ (Fabio) a "get out of jail free card" in case of suspension or termination, and you two are always talking about getting fired. Of course, since you don't have a theme song, it would have been hard to win that contest. :-)
	6:55pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening, been lurking for a while. Can't define classical music tho.
	🎻 6:56pm PaulRobeson1924: Morningggggg Alcohol is a strong drug!
	6:56pm Chris from Brooklyn: Enjoyed popping your audio caller cherry. 201-209-9368
	6:57pm Chris from Brooklyn: Someone else call Moo
	🎻 6:57pm PaulRobeson1924: blogfiles.wfmu.org...
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: good evening Carol & Cullan and death people
	🎻 6:58pm Dan S: BTW, best wishes for your full recovery, Cullan.
	6:59pm Chris from Brooklyn: Calling all lonely hippies
	7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Go for baroque!
	🎻 7:01pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:00 But don’t go for dreams that go up in smoke!
	7:01pm hushpuppy: And best wishes for your recovery Paul
	7:01pm Captain Space Bass: Wow what an organ!
	🎻 7:02pm Dan S: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... On the theory that, although I can't define classical music, I know it when I hear it, I'd call this classical music.
	🎻 7:03pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Dan S @7:02 & I can’t recall the words or tune so clearly but I know when I hear it and LoVe it DeARLy!
	7:03pm cosmic matrix: NIGHT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	7:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... i first heard this piece as a child, when my older brother got an album entitled:"music to scare hell out of your neighbors"
	🎻 7:05pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ cosmic matrix @7:03 GoOooOD Night Cosmic!
	7:05pm ViolaChica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:04 OMG seriously! LOL!!!
	🎻 7:06pm Dan S: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:04 I'm not sure I'd call it scary, but it is intimidating.
	7:06pm tom tom the pipers son: an interesting theory about baroque architecture...bernini reigned supreme in rome and his architecture projects outward just like music and painting... its been theorized that borromini took the spaces left in the wake of bernini's vectorization and as a result his architecture is inverted in terms of how it projects....so there's a convex/ concave relationship between bernini and borromini
	7:07pm cosmic matrix: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:05 why, good evening, paul!
	🎻 7:07pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ cosmic matrix @7:07 Morning noon and night baby
	7:07pm cosmic matrix: goo goo and goo!
	🎻 7:08pm Dan S: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:06 And can you make a relationship between music and architecture?
	7:09pm slugluv1313: good evening, Carol! Cullan! Everyone! Cullan, so glad to hear you back on the air :) been lurking, loving the show -- especially those Medieval selections! when i worked at the Tower Records Outlet in the 1990s, we had a ton of classical records, CDs, cassettes -- one of my co-workers gave me a crash course in Baroque music -- which i have since forgotten! but he was so helpful and knowledgable in all things Classical (which was weird; my Mom was what you might describe as a "Classical music snob," but she could never really explain Classical music to me!) iirc, we had to play Classical music in the morning; after 12noon, we would alternate Classical CDs with other stuff -- jazz, rap, rock, etc. -- and during the holiday season, we had to play "holiday music" -- one of the CDs that i fell in love with (and never got sick of, no matter how often it was played!) was "On the Way to Bethlehem: Music of the Medieval Pilgrim" -- i still have this CD, and always play it around this time of year :)
	7:09pm Mama 💜: I'm here!
	7:10pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dan S @7:08 i think there are similarities in how the project rooted in the era
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dan S @7:06 www.discogs.com... some of it's obvious, but there were (are) a few tracks on there that i didn't understand why they were supposed to be scary...but i guess some music has certain associations for significant groups of people. ..."fire goddess" by the surfmen is gorgeous.
	7:11pm HyperDose: mama in the house!
	7:11pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:10 they project as in space
	🎻 7:11pm Dan S: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:09 A great little biography there. Sounds like you grew up in a very musical home.
	7:11pm Captain Space Bass: The Bach organ music reminds me of the 1962 film Carnival of Souls. I will be having nightmares of the living dead emerging from rivers tonight.
	7:12pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... YESSSSSSSSS!!! 🖤🖤🖤 and yes, i am totally cranking this!
	7:17pm Nicolas: Please support the MSM prep faculty. These are world class musicians and teachers who deserve to make a living. Without the teachers the program would not exists. The administrators would not have their jobs without these teachers!!!
	🎻 7:18pm PaulRobeson1924: I’m wondering, what is an education for?
	7:20pm AskJoe: MSM moronic school of music.
	7:20pm slugluv1313: ↳ Dan S @7:11 hi Dan! somewhat! although of course, the parents HATED the "hippie" stuff and "hard rock" 😹😹 my younger sister and i both had ballet lessons, and i had piano lessons -- but we were not "allowed" to continue on to more advanced levels -- so weird!
	7:20pm Nicolas: Parents who send their children to these programs should ask how much of their tuition actually goes to the faculty? Parents should ask how much faculty get paid, and then they should ask how much the administrators get paid.
	7:21pm musiclover: where does the tuition go???
	7:21pm coelacanth∅: it always annoys me that people use words like "stubbornly" instead of telling the whole truth... "stubbornly, SELFISHLY".
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: in many arts organizations, museums etc there is such an upstairs downstairs mentality and a divisiveness of administration and labor
	7:22pm musiclover: aren't they supposed to help keep classical music alive??
	🎻 7:23pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ musiclover @7:22 What is an education for?
	7:24pm musiclover: what can we do to help?
	7:25pm TDK60: Thanks for speaking out on behalf of the educators.
	7:25pm A Guy: For every dollar of Federal aid, universities have raised tuition on average about 60 cents. That’s from a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of NY.
	🎻 7:26pm PaulRobeson1924: A one time, a university education was reserved for the family of Kings and Lords and their underlings only
	7:26pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Cullen, your remarks about Manhattan School of Music are likely applicable to many colleges and universities.
	7:26pm coelacanth∅: ronald mcdonald trump will fix it. surely he is passionate about classical music! 'cultured guy like that...
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:21 it's also analogous to a division of body and mind where labor is seen as unintelligent and administration as the "brains" behind the operation
	🎻 7:26pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:26 I’m curious, what is an education for nowadays?
	7:27pm spodiodi: that's all i can take... thank you, DJs!
	7:27pm ?: He walks the walk! I recall vividly Piano Man decades back advocating for the exploited musicians at a creepy opera cafe on upper Broadway- shut them academic corporatists down!
	🎻 7:27pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:26 To buy shearling coats and a new Audi? Or something else?
	7:28pm tom tom the pipers son: garbage trucks... that would be music concrete
	7:28pm Dean: That Musica Reservata album is a gem, a fairly incessant companion to my high school homework. Jantina Noorman, yes? What a voice. One of a kind.
	7:28pm A Guy: Here it is https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr733.html
	7:28pm Bobby: “What we found in the garbage tonight” is one of my favorite records
	7:28pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" fat wreck chords! fat mike! NoFx! PUNK ROCK!!!
	7:29pm slugluv1313: ↳ Captain Space Bass @7:11 hi Captain Space Bass! i LOVE Carnival of Souls! while still in high school, a friend highly recommended Carnival of Souls if it ever showed up on late night TV (this was the mid-1970s, WAY before the film became a "cult classic") it finally aired, and for MONTHS i could not look out the windows or at mirrors once it was dark outside (where i grew up, there was nothing but farmland behind the house i grew up in, and no street lights or anything facing the road!)
	7:29pm A Guy: When school administrators saw the Feds would give them cash, and the only people at risk were the student borrowers, they took as much as they could get.
	🎻 7:29pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:27 To train folks to manage the affairs of the men who own large, large sea going ships
	🎻 7:29pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:29 Or somthing else? I’m curious! What is an education for nowadays?
	7:30pm yippie: oleanna by david mamet says what education is nowadays
	7:30pm coelacanth∅: where i live, the suny school used to be very much an art-oriented school; and the local culture reflected that wealth of creativity. but the PIG president of the school wanted more aid, so wanted "university status" so started reducing arts programs and increasing "business" classes - to attract more people...which of course worked, because most americans are also PIGS. consequently the entire culture of the village has changed. in a shitty way.
	7:31pm musiclover: so so so good!
	7:31pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" 🖤🖤🖤
	7:31pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" This piece reminds me of a freshman music class at U of Michigan. The professor opined that modern rock n roll had much in common with baroque music.
	7:32pm darcy: Did i hear 78s? I’ll tune in for that
	7:32pm slugluv1313: 😹😹😹 i still have my parents' 78s! (yup a buncha my Mom's opera records too)
	7:32pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:30 Most distressing to see humanities / liberal arts and arts programs culled from university curricula. The 1% wants more robots and fewer thinking humans.
	7:33pm DanFA: Industrial
	7:33pm Bobby: Industrial garbage!
	7:33pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:32 apparently... sadly.
	7:34pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" Oh geez guys, you could go down a rabbit hole with what kind of metal it is. Meanwhile, in the 80s, a DJ known as DeCoven had a program on what he called barococo music - an amalgam of baroque and rococo.
	7:35pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:33 Once Ministry became an industrial metal band they were far less interesting. Land of Rape and Honey is an excellent album. Al Jourgensen's book is like a car crash.
	7:35pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:31 When were you at U-M? Started my freshman year as a music major in 97. Sounds familiar, wonder if I had the same prof for Musicology I or something.
	7:35pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: PS DeCoven broadcast on WFMU, my bad for not posting that earlier.
	7:36pm musiclover: do you think the kings these composers wrote for were as bad as administrators now?
	7:36pm Dean: UC Berkeley's humanities majors numbers are increasing.
	7:36pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ David L. @7:35 David, I graduate from U-M in 1979. I'm approximately a contemporary of Station Manager Ken. History major. Almost went to graduate school.
	7:39pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Giovanni Battista Sammartini, Sinfonia, J-C 9" by... this is beautiful 🥹💜
	7:40pm Bobby: ↳ DanFA @7:35 I don’t have a problem with Ministry, I just meant garbage like the DJs found it in the trash
	7:41pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:36 Ahh ok! Probably not the same one then... though who knows. I can't remember names.
	🎻 7:45pm chresti: Recorded a nozzle- did you say??
	7:45pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Giovanni Battista Sammartini, Sinfonia, J-C 9" by... 💛💛💛 (on Naxos! i basically loved anything on that label while at the Outlet)
	7:47pm tom tom the pipers son: film cameras... vinyl yes...
	🎻 7:48pm Dan S: Vinyl revival over? Were you at the last WFMU record fair?
	7:49pm HyperDose: Phenomenal show. Thank you, Carol + Cullen!
	7:50pm Steve: I heard the profanity, but I'm listening via web, if that matters.
	🎻 7:50pm chresti: Dittos-
	7:51pm slugluv1313: ↳ HyperDose @7:49 HD!! 😺😺 i hope all is well!
	7:51pm tom tom the pipers son: music periods totally mirror periods in painting... what comes next would be romantic
	🎻 7:52pm chresti: I think of plaster when I hear the word rococo
	7:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ chresti @7:52 I think of hot chocolate.
	🎻 7:53pm Dan S: Judging words only by how they sound, rococo may be the greatest word ever.
	🎻 7:53pm chresti: Do people still use ditto machines?
	7:54pm DanFA: ↳ chresti @7:53 Ditto
	7:55pm Bobby: I like that the show has moved into its swearing industrial activist phase!
	7:55pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ David L. @7:41 No worries, I'm a bit older than you and I can't remember names either. Fun story: First 2 years at U-M, I lived in a dorm on the North Campus. Half a mile from the nuclear reactor for the nuclear engineering program. I was told that it was failsafe LOL.
	7:55pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:55 Now they're gonna be playing Einsturdze Nebauten AND Mozart
	7:56pm TDK60: Did people talk about these music periods back then. Say in Haydn's day?
	7:56pm Bobby: ↳ DanFA @7:55 You mean Ken’s show?
	7:56pm HyperDose: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:51 Slugluv y gatos! Been enjoying a nice day off full of laundry and naps :)
	7:56pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:56 Yes
	🎻 7:56pm Dan S: Thanks for the show and the exploration of the meaning of classical music tonight, Carol and Cullan!
	7:56pm DanFA: Baskin Rococo
	7:57pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "J. Haydn: String Quartet in A, HIII No. 36, Op. 2... lovely 💙💜💚 splendid show, as always! thanks so much, Carol and Cullan!
	7:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Carol & Cullan. Good questions tonight!
	🎻 7:57pm chresti: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:53 Rococo cocoa
	🎻 7:58pm Dan S: Did Hayden live in Hoboken? LOL
	7:58pm adrienne: such a terrific show!
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks carol and cullan ...keep well
	🎻 7:59pm Dan S: Maybe leave the official station ID to Suzy.
	7:59pm DanFA: ↳ chresti @7:57 Rococo coca cola
	7:59pm TDK60: Keep WFMU from going Rococo-Lite.
	7:59pm slugluv1313: ↳ DanFA @7:55 and Lilithstone too!?
	7:59pm darcy: I’ve been yrying to get ppl to appreciate neil for years. Of course i find them on WFMU
	8:00pm DanFA: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:59 I don't know them.
	8:00pm slugluv1313: ↳ HyperDose @7:56 wonderful! (hah, time to feed Los Gatos now!)
	8:01pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:55 Ha!! I was in Bursley too... probably hadn't changed much since 79.

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from December 8, 2024

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Images	Approx. start time
Dunkelbunt	A Chassid in Amsterdam: Amsterdam Klezmer Band vs GrandMaster Flash
Luciano Berio / New York Philharmonic / Swingle Singers	Sinfonia: Section III	Prophets of the New	Sony Music Entertainment Inc.	1969			0:12:43 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Musica Reservata of London	Danse Royale	Medieval Music & Songs of the Troubadors	Everest Records	1968			0:37:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Musica Reservata of London	La quinte estampie real	Medieval Music & Songs of the Troubadors	Everest Records	1968			0:15:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Musica Reservata of London	La quarte estampie royal	Medieval Music & Songs of the Troubadors	Everest Records	1968			0:39:28 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Musica Reservata of London	Tant con je vuray	Medieval Music & Songs of the Troubadors	Everest Records	1968			0:41:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Musica Reservata of London / Michael Morrow	Frottola: El Grillo by Josquin Des Prés	Josquin Des Prés	Argo	1976	Featuring the voices of mezzo-soprano Jantina Noorman, contralto Margaret Philpot, tenors Andrew Parrott, Edgar Fleet, and John Dudley, and bass David Thomas.	https://www.discogs.com/release/7642665-Josquin-Des-Pr%C3%A9s-Michael-Morrow-Musica-Reservata-Josquin-Des-Pr%C3%A9s?srsltid=AfmBOorfN0w2HBQLYzkIpUq2I5NAeqKJeOvJgxDa5-tx0bz1vH6_tTHO https://www.discogs.com/release/7642665-Josquin-Des-Pr%C3%A9s-Michael-Morrow-Musica-Reservata-Josquin-Des-Pr%C3%A9s?srsltid=AfmBOorfN0w2HBQLYzkIpUq2I5NAeqKJeOvJgxDa5-tx0bz1vH6_tTHO	0:52:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Helmut Walcha	J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565	Bach: Organ Works / The 1947 - 1952 Recordings	Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin	1947			1:00:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ministry	No W "No W" by "Ministry"	Rock Against Bush Vol.1	Fat				1:27:11 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Aradia Ensemble / Kevin Mallon	Giovanni Battista Sammartini, Sinfonia, J-C 9	Giovanni Battista Sammartini: Six Symphonies (1730 -1750)	Naxos	2005			1:33:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hagen Quartett	J. Haydn: String Quartet in A, HIII No. 36, Op. 20 No. 6 - 2. Adagio	Haydn: Sonnen-Quartette op.20	Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin	1994			1:50:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Neil Cicierega	It's "It's" by "Neil Cicierega"	Mouth Silence		2014	Monty Python Theme Song / John Phillip Sousa Jon Bon Jovi		1:59:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:02pm Threemoons 🌛🌝🌜: Heyo. Loving this starting track....
	6:02pm Adi From Sheffield: I was going to go to sleep but... This is mint 😁
	6:03pm HyperDose: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌝🌜 @6:02 Unexpected. Just how we like it!
	6:03pm hifivicky: is this AI
	6:03pm Avspuk: ↳ Song: "A Chassid in Amsterdam: Amsterdam Klezmer Band vs... Nice find, nicely placed. & props to whoever saw this was possible.
	6:04pm jeanli: ok ya got my attention
	6:04pm tom tom the pipers son: i'm tryin' not to lose my head ...oy vey.. you meshugganah
	🎻 6:05pm chresti: Why do we talk to dead mics?
	🎻 6:06pm chresti: Hi live Carol and Cullan!
	6:07pm AskJoe: We’re here!! Not sure about you!!
	6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Today is Sinéad O'Connor's birthday. RIP
	6:09pm spodiodi: greetings, Carol and Cullan and all ☀️
	6:09pm HyperDose: are tambourines classical?
	6:09pm jeanli: dude not cool
	6:12pm tom tom the pipers son: the classic mashup is christina agulaira vs. strokes
	6:13pm Spankyflop: Ken’s marathon premium this year had a great mashup featuring “In the hall of the mountain king” youtu.be...
	🎻 6:14pm Listener Robert: As to what classical music is, Leonard Bernstein took a fairly good shot at defining it as "exact music", by which he really meant "composer-specified music". That is, the music as laid out by the composer is much closer to the final product you hear than with other genres of music, wherein the instrumentation, performance, and other details can change it relatively enormously.
	6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: One mashup that's trending is the New Zealand MP haka vs. heavy metal guitar.
	6:17pm tom tom the pipers son: was expecting a glitchy tape piece
	🎻 6:18pm Listener Robert: ↳ Listener Robert @6:14 That is, you can have the same named piece done by a jug band, an orchestra, or a piano soloist -- while if you do that with a classical music piece people will understand most of the renditions as a goof. a student effort, or a temporary expedient rather than as a cover in the usual sense.
	6:19pm ViolaChica: Good evening everyone!
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: theis berio is a little ives-y
	6:20pm jeanli: ↳ Listener Robert @6:18 thank you for this definition, a worthwhile contribution to this program!
	6:21pm jeanli: this Berio piece is just so fantastic, wow!
	6:26pm jeanli: Is that photo the albumn cover for Prophets of the New? I wonder what event that was?
	🎻 6:32pm Listener Robert: Bernstein's explanation was on a recorded series. I'm the one who supplied the wording "composer-specified" because his word "exact" didn't say according to whom. He went into how in movies the "auteur" is the director, but the conductor of an orchestra was not in as influential role.
	🎻 6:34pm Dan S: Is it music written by dead white guys? :-)
	6:34pm jeanli: classical avant garde?
	6:34pm danny san: Lennon-McCartney ,,,,, writers ? composers? They were the first version of the Monkees.
	6:36pm efd: on the phone console, click the line the caller is on once to unlock it, then click drop (I think — can't be 100% sure without looking at it!)
	🎻 6:37pm Listener Robert: leonardbernstein.com...
	6:38pm ViolaChica: ↳ jeanli @6:26 That's an image from Fellini's The Orchestra Rehearsal.
	6:39pm ?: Wow, this is from 1968, only one year before the Berio!!!
	6:39pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:34 ROFL
	🎻 6:39pm Dan S: ↳ efd @6:36 Only on WFMU, the station that runs on technical advice from the comments board.
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: tried calling.... the one exception i know of to classical music being preplanned to nth degree is a derek bailey comment about organ music where there were sections left to improvisations because of the variability of mass service lengths
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:40 Call again in 5 mins! We want to talk to you!
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:39 OMG! You are making me laugh so hard right now
	🎻 6:41pm Dan S: ↳ ViolaChica @6:39 I just took off from the program's name and ran with it.
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: alrighty... i'm going to be nervous
	🎻 6:41pm Dan S: ↳ ViolaChica @6:40 I'm happy to be of service.
	6:41pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dan S @6:41 That's exactly what the name is for!
	🎻 6:42pm Dan S: This is a lovely set of music.
	6:42pm David Sheldon: I recall chord indications carved in stone at the ancient Greek temple center at Delphi. Don't know if they have been performed since....
	🎻 6:43pm Dan S: ↳ David Sheldon @6:42 Have they been able to decipher those chord indications?
	6:48pm HyperDose: yay tom tom!
	🎻 6:50pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Tant con je vuray" by "Musica Reservata of London" I'm guessing "Tant con je vuray" is pre-modern French for "As far as I could see/tell". The lady who was a protege of Irwin's is MELANIE Thiele, who organized that Newt Radio stream.
	6:53pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Frottola: El Grillo by Josquin Des Prés" by "Musi... itsy, bitsy, teenie, weenie, yellow, polka dot bikini-esque alliteration
	6:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ HyperDose @6:53 funn y
	🎻 6:54pm Dan S: Too bad this show didn't have the winning theme song as chosen by the listeners on the last 7SD show. Ken awarded the winning DJ (Fabio) a "get out of jail free card" in case of suspension or termination, and you two are always talking about getting fired. Of course, since you don't have a theme song, it would have been hard to win that contest. :-)
	6:55pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening, been lurking for a while. Can't define classical music tho.
	🎻 6:56pm PaulRobeson1924: Morningggggg Alcohol is a strong drug!
	6:56pm Chris from Brooklyn: Enjoyed popping your audio caller cherry. 201-209-9368
	6:57pm Chris from Brooklyn: Someone else call Moo
	🎻 6:57pm PaulRobeson1924: blogfiles.wfmu.org...
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: good evening Carol & Cullan and death people
	🎻 6:58pm Dan S: BTW, best wishes for your full recovery, Cullan.
	6:59pm Chris from Brooklyn: Calling all lonely hippies
	7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Go for baroque!
	🎻 7:01pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:00 But don’t go for dreams that go up in smoke!
	7:01pm hushpuppy: And best wishes for your recovery Paul
	7:01pm Captain Space Bass: Wow what an organ!
	🎻 7:02pm Dan S: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... On the theory that, although I can't define classical music, I know it when I hear it, I'd call this classical music.
	🎻 7:03pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Dan S @7:02 & I can’t recall the words or tune so clearly but I know when I hear it and LoVe it DeARLy!
	7:03pm cosmic matrix: NIGHT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	7:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... i first heard this piece as a child, when my older brother got an album entitled:"music to scare hell out of your neighbors"
	🎻 7:05pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ cosmic matrix @7:03 GoOooOD Night Cosmic!
	7:05pm ViolaChica: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:04 OMG seriously! LOL!!!
	🎻 7:06pm Dan S: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:04 I'm not sure I'd call it scary, but it is intimidating.
	7:06pm tom tom the pipers son: an interesting theory about baroque architecture...bernini reigned supreme in rome and his architecture projects outward just like music and painting... its been theorized that borromini took the spaces left in the wake of bernini's vectorization and as a result his architecture is inverted in terms of how it projects....so there's a convex/ concave relationship between bernini and borromini
	7:07pm cosmic matrix: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:05 why, good evening, paul!
	🎻 7:07pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ cosmic matrix @7:07 Morning noon and night baby
	7:07pm cosmic matrix: goo goo and goo!
	🎻 7:08pm Dan S: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:06 And can you make a relationship between music and architecture?
	7:09pm slugluv1313: good evening, Carol! Cullan! Everyone! Cullan, so glad to hear you back on the air :) been lurking, loving the show -- especially those Medieval selections! when i worked at the Tower Records Outlet in the 1990s, we had a ton of classical records, CDs, cassettes -- one of my co-workers gave me a crash course in Baroque music -- which i have since forgotten! but he was so helpful and knowledgable in all things Classical (which was weird; my Mom was what you might describe as a "Classical music snob," but she could never really explain Classical music to me!) iirc, we had to play Classical music in the morning; after 12noon, we would alternate Classical CDs with other stuff -- jazz, rap, rock, etc. -- and during the holiday season, we had to play "holiday music" -- one of the CDs that i fell in love with (and never got sick of, no matter how often it was played!) was "On the Way to Bethlehem: Music of the Medieval Pilgrim" -- i still have this CD, and always play it around this time of year :)
	7:09pm Mama 💜: I'm here!
	7:10pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dan S @7:08 i think there are similarities in how the project rooted in the era
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dan S @7:06 www.discogs.com... some of it's obvious, but there were (are) a few tracks on there that i didn't understand why they were supposed to be scary...but i guess some music has certain associations for significant groups of people. ..."fire goddess" by the surfmen is gorgeous.
	7:11pm HyperDose: mama in the house!
	7:11pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:10 they project as in space
	🎻 7:11pm Dan S: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:09 A great little biography there. Sounds like you grew up in a very musical home.
	7:11pm Captain Space Bass: The Bach organ music reminds me of the 1962 film Carnival of Souls. I will be having nightmares of the living dead emerging from rivers tonight.
	7:12pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "J.S. Bach: Toccata in D minor BWV 565" by "Helmut... YESSSSSSSSS!!! 🖤🖤🖤 and yes, i am totally cranking this!
	7:17pm Nicolas: Please support the MSM prep faculty. These are world class musicians and teachers who deserve to make a living. Without the teachers the program would not exists. The administrators would not have their jobs without these teachers!!!
	🎻 7:18pm PaulRobeson1924: I’m wondering, what is an education for?
	7:20pm AskJoe: MSM moronic school of music.
	7:20pm slugluv1313: ↳ Dan S @7:11 hi Dan! somewhat! although of course, the parents HATED the "hippie" stuff and "hard rock" 😹😹 my younger sister and i both had ballet lessons, and i had piano lessons -- but we were not "allowed" to continue on to more advanced levels -- so weird!
	7:20pm Nicolas: Parents who send their children to these programs should ask how much of their tuition actually goes to the faculty? Parents should ask how much faculty get paid, and then they should ask how much the administrators get paid.
	7:21pm musiclover: where does the tuition go???
	7:21pm coelacanth∅: it always annoys me that people use words like "stubbornly" instead of telling the whole truth... "stubbornly, SELFISHLY".
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: in many arts organizations, museums etc there is such an upstairs downstairs mentality and a divisiveness of administration and labor
	7:22pm musiclover: aren't they supposed to help keep classical music alive??
	🎻 7:23pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ musiclover @7:22 What is an education for?
	7:24pm musiclover: what can we do to help?
	7:25pm TDK60: Thanks for speaking out on behalf of the educators.
	7:25pm A Guy: For every dollar of Federal aid, universities have raised tuition on average about 60 cents. That’s from a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of NY.
	🎻 7:26pm PaulRobeson1924: A one time, a university education was reserved for the family of Kings and Lords and their underlings only
	7:26pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Cullen, your remarks about Manhattan School of Music are likely applicable to many colleges and universities.
	7:26pm coelacanth∅: ronald mcdonald trump will fix it. surely he is passionate about classical music! 'cultured guy like that...
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:21 it's also analogous to a division of body and mind where labor is seen as unintelligent and administration as the "brains" behind the operation
	🎻 7:26pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:26 I’m curious, what is an education for nowadays?
	7:27pm spodiodi: that's all i can take... thank you, DJs!
	7:27pm ?: He walks the walk! I recall vividly Piano Man decades back advocating for the exploited musicians at a creepy opera cafe on upper Broadway- shut them academic corporatists down!
	🎻 7:27pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:26 To buy shearling coats and a new Audi? Or something else?
	7:28pm tom tom the pipers son: garbage trucks... that would be music concrete
	7:28pm Dean: That Musica Reservata album is a gem, a fairly incessant companion to my high school homework. Jantina Noorman, yes? What a voice. One of a kind.
	7:28pm A Guy: Here it is https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr733.html
	7:28pm Bobby: “What we found in the garbage tonight” is one of my favorite records
	7:28pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" fat wreck chords! fat mike! NoFx! PUNK ROCK!!!
	7:29pm slugluv1313: ↳ Captain Space Bass @7:11 hi Captain Space Bass! i LOVE Carnival of Souls! while still in high school, a friend highly recommended Carnival of Souls if it ever showed up on late night TV (this was the mid-1970s, WAY before the film became a "cult classic") it finally aired, and for MONTHS i could not look out the windows or at mirrors once it was dark outside (where i grew up, there was nothing but farmland behind the house i grew up in, and no street lights or anything facing the road!)
	7:29pm A Guy: When school administrators saw the Feds would give them cash, and the only people at risk were the student borrowers, they took as much as they could get.
	🎻 7:29pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:27 To train folks to manage the affairs of the men who own large, large sea going ships
	🎻 7:29pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @7:29 Or somthing else? I’m curious! What is an education for nowadays?
	7:30pm yippie: oleanna by david mamet says what education is nowadays
	7:30pm coelacanth∅: where i live, the suny school used to be very much an art-oriented school; and the local culture reflected that wealth of creativity. but the PIG president of the school wanted more aid, so wanted "university status" so started reducing arts programs and increasing "business" classes - to attract more people...which of course worked, because most americans are also PIGS. consequently the entire culture of the village has changed. in a shitty way.
	7:31pm musiclover: so so so good!
	7:31pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" 🖤🖤🖤
	7:31pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" This piece reminds me of a freshman music class at U of Michigan. The professor opined that modern rock n roll had much in common with baroque music.
	7:32pm darcy: Did i hear 78s? I’ll tune in for that
	7:32pm slugluv1313: 😹😹😹 i still have my parents' 78s! (yup a buncha my Mom's opera records too)
	7:32pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ coelacanth∅ @7:30 Most distressing to see humanities / liberal arts and arts programs culled from university curricula. The 1% wants more robots and fewer thinking humans.
	7:33pm DanFA: Industrial
	7:33pm Bobby: Industrial garbage!
	7:33pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:32 apparently... sadly.
	7:34pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "No W" by "Ministry" Oh geez guys, you could go down a rabbit hole with what kind of metal it is. Meanwhile, in the 80s, a DJ known as DeCoven had a program on what he called barococo music - an amalgam of baroque and rococo.
	7:35pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:33 Once Ministry became an industrial metal band they were far less interesting. Land of Rape and Honey is an excellent album. Al Jourgensen's book is like a car crash.
	7:35pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:31 When were you at U-M? Started my freshman year as a music major in 97. Sounds familiar, wonder if I had the same prof for Musicology I or something.
	7:35pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: PS DeCoven broadcast on WFMU, my bad for not posting that earlier.
	7:36pm musiclover: do you think the kings these composers wrote for were as bad as administrators now?
	7:36pm Dean: UC Berkeley's humanities majors numbers are increasing.
	7:36pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ David L. @7:35 David, I graduate from U-M in 1979. I'm approximately a contemporary of Station Manager Ken. History major. Almost went to graduate school.
	7:39pm HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Giovanni Battista Sammartini, Sinfonia, J-C 9" by... this is beautiful 🥹💜
	7:40pm Bobby: ↳ DanFA @7:35 I don’t have a problem with Ministry, I just meant garbage like the DJs found it in the trash
	7:41pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:36 Ahh ok! Probably not the same one then... though who knows. I can't remember names.
	🎻 7:45pm chresti: Recorded a nozzle- did you say??
	7:45pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Giovanni Battista Sammartini, Sinfonia, J-C 9" by... 💛💛💛 (on Naxos! i basically loved anything on that label while at the Outlet)
	7:47pm tom tom the pipers son: film cameras... vinyl yes...
	🎻 7:48pm Dan S: Vinyl revival over? Were you at the last WFMU record fair?
	7:49pm HyperDose: Phenomenal show. Thank you, Carol + Cullen!
	7:50pm Steve: I heard the profanity, but I'm listening via web, if that matters.
	🎻 7:50pm chresti: Dittos-
	7:51pm slugluv1313: ↳ HyperDose @7:49 HD!! 😺😺 i hope all is well!
	7:51pm tom tom the pipers son: music periods totally mirror periods in painting... what comes next would be romantic
	🎻 7:52pm chresti: I think of plaster when I hear the word rococo
	7:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ chresti @7:52 I think of hot chocolate.
	🎻 7:53pm Dan S: Judging words only by how they sound, rococo may be the greatest word ever.
	🎻 7:53pm chresti: Do people still use ditto machines?
	7:54pm DanFA: ↳ chresti @7:53 Ditto
	7:55pm Bobby: I like that the show has moved into its swearing industrial activist phase!
	7:55pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ David L. @7:41 No worries, I'm a bit older than you and I can't remember names either. Fun story: First 2 years at U-M, I lived in a dorm on the North Campus. Half a mile from the nuclear reactor for the nuclear engineering program. I was told that it was failsafe LOL.
	7:55pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:55 Now they're gonna be playing Einsturdze Nebauten AND Mozart
	7:56pm TDK60: Did people talk about these music periods back then. Say in Haydn's day?
	7:56pm Bobby: ↳ DanFA @7:55 You mean Ken’s show?
	7:56pm HyperDose: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:51 Slugluv y gatos! Been enjoying a nice day off full of laundry and naps :)
	7:56pm DanFA: ↳ Bobby @7:56 Yes
	🎻 7:56pm Dan S: Thanks for the show and the exploration of the meaning of classical music tonight, Carol and Cullan!
	7:56pm DanFA: Baskin Rococo
	7:57pm slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "J. Haydn: String Quartet in A, HIII No. 36, Op. 2... lovely 💙💜💚 splendid show, as always! thanks so much, Carol and Cullan!
	7:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Carol & Cullan. Good questions tonight!
	🎻 7:57pm chresti: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:53 Rococo cocoa
	🎻 7:58pm Dan S: Did Hayden live in Hoboken? LOL
	7:58pm adrienne: such a terrific show!
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks carol and cullan ...keep well
	🎻 7:59pm Dan S: Maybe leave the official station ID to Suzy.
	7:59pm DanFA: ↳ chresti @7:57 Rococo coca cola
	7:59pm TDK60: Keep WFMU from going Rococo-Lite.
	7:59pm slugluv1313: ↳ DanFA @7:55 and Lilithstone too!?
	7:59pm darcy: I’ve been yrying to get ppl to appreciate neil for years. Of course i find them on WFMU
	8:00pm DanFA: ↳ slugluv1313 @7:59 I don't know them.
	8:00pm slugluv1313: ↳ HyperDose @7:56 wonderful! (hah, time to feed Los Gatos now!)
	8:01pm David L.: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:55 Ha!! I was in Bursley too... probably hadn't changed much since 79.

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from December 8, 2024

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