WFMU: Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from January 19, 2025

Listener comments!
	6:02pm tom tom the pipers son: sviatoslav whoOOO??! hello folks....
	🎻 6:02pm Listener Robert: Is that a prepared piano, or an aerial photo of ground made to look like a piano?
	6:04pm Heaventown: Play the hits!
	6:04pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Robert @6:02 not prepared more dis-repaired
	6:05pm Jeff Moore: That sounds fiendishly difficult to play!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: + Yay great Program +
	6:07pm jeanli: play music!
	6:09pm tom tom the pipers son: i think it's really unclear what postmodernism is in music...i don't think the label has really stuck
	🎻 6:10pm chresti: Hi Cullan and Carol dead people's music show
	6:10pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:09 it's a little clearer in visual are and perhaps literature
	6:11pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Carol and Cullan, and, dare I say, deadheads.
	6:11pm tom tom the pipers son: art
	6:11pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:09 I think some writer prolly came up with "postmodernism" when he or she was up against a deadline.
	6:12pm ViolaChica: Good evening everyone! We are staying warm in the studio. Blustery snow outside.
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think it characterizes PostModernism that one can borrow from any Form whatsoever - interchangeably. Modernism was concerned with Manifestos that asserted Change & Purpose. PostModernism says it's all been done - Art can't change anything actually ...it doesn't matter. Pastiche away - all Forms are Equal in their utility & (ir)relevance...
	6:13pm tom tom the pipers son: the philosopher frederic jameson was a brilliant "explainer" of postmodernism and art, whether film, books or.... i don't think he wrote about music
	6:14pm KentRed: fastest piece in traditional classical music = Brahms Piano Concerto No.1 in D Minor Op.151. Rondo (allegro non trope) Love the show!!
	6:14pm Alanthepainter: Bartok to Berlioz, modernism doesn’t exist, when you make something it’s in real time that passes …Posts are for hammering!
	6:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:13 ...my understanding is the term PostMod was first applied in architecture to NeoClassical fronts on otherwise undistinguished buildings...
	6:15pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:11 no i think it was thought about seriously....tbh
	6:16pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:14 right it was a sort of populism in contrast to th "highness" of modernism
	6:18pm Roberto: Sadly, in addition to the horrific loss of life and property, much of Arnold Schonberg's original manuscripts were lost in the Palisades Fire: www.gazettextra.com... My high school classmate, Randy Schoenberg, has what's left of his uncle Larry's collection.
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:16 michael graves and philip johnson were mainstreamers of the idea...robert venturi "learning from las vegas" is a better and more complex example
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: i saw that lynch clip
	6:19pm Mama 💜: Hi kids! It's snowing here too. I'm so happy to be snowed in with you!
	6:21pm carlos danger: speaking of stravinsky, i believe the famous fairlight cmi orchestral hit sample (famously heard on "owner of a lonely heart") is a sample of stravinsky's Firebird
	6:21pm tom tom the pipers son: another clip lynch is asked about product placement hew says "absolute bullshit... absolute fucking bullshit"
	6:22pm Jeff Moore: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:10 Yeah, and when I hear the word "postmodern" the first things which pop into my head are images of postmodern architecture and design. I'm seeing... terra cotta colored walls with raw chunks out of them, accented with perfect geometric figures in, say, aquamarine.
	6:22pm carlos danger: Ives was an insurance company man who wrote a pamphlet about how to sell insurance. I think it's called something like "Measuring the Prospect"
	6:22pm ViolaChica: ↳ Roberto @6:18 Yes. I met Randy last year when I performed his grandfather's 2nd quartet. I have been following online and we spoke about it last week a bit on the show. It's just beyond words the loss of his manuscripts, artifacts, books...
	6:22pm tom tom the pipers son: y' know i think ives might be the seedling of postmodernism
	6:23pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:21 I love it. A good reminder for folks because nowadays you supposedly have to "behave" to get work in the industry.
	6:24pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Song: "Ives: Central Park in the Dark" by "Seiji Ozawa, ... Is it true that Charles Ives was an insurance salesman? Please say it isn't true.
	6:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:22 yes there was a thing called "memphis design" like this too.... the turquoise and terracotta...very miami vice
	6:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 he was creative in it though...no willy loman
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Magritte was a bank clerk ? ...not as bad...
	6:26pm Pianoman: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Sorry but true. Ives & Myrick insurance company.
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Pianoman @6:26 I was just informed that we have no coffee filters. Off I go!
	🎻 6:27pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Ives: Central Park in the Dark" by "Seiji Ozawa, ... This got at least 2 minutes in before I started hearing the sort of stuff in it I associate with Ives. But once it hit that point, there's like nobody else it could be!
	6:28pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:27 by joe dimaggio?
	6:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:25 ...polarities in one mind. Surrealism means Super Realism after all...
	6:28pm Franco Twinkie: Chemex.
	6:29pm tom tom the pipers son: this ives really spoke to me...
	6:30pm tom tom the pipers son: facetious
	6:31pm Jeff Moore: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:24 Oh, yeah – I think those waves peaked around the same time and intermingled and autointerconflated.
	6:32pm carlos danger: I read somewhere that when Ives was a kid there were two parades playing different music going down the same street in opposite directions and it made a huge impression on him
	🎻 6:33pm Listener Robert: I love "post-drivel"!!
	6:33pm tom tom the pipers son: seems you're skipping over cage a "little" oversight
	6:33pm Maulydaft: I love this show so much :)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ carlos danger @6:32 Just reflecting one's actual environment & experience.
	6:34pm carlos danger: This Reich clapping music app is a lot of fun. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/steve-reichs-clapping-music/id946487211
	🎻 6:34pm Listener Robert: Some of Steve Post's mic breaks were Post drivel!
	6:34pm Wilson in SO: Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
	6:36pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:33 hang tight. we've gotcha :)
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Listener Robert @6:33 Indie drivel, industrial drivel. Hall.
	6:38pm tom tom the pipers son: i watched/listened to philip glass' kneeplay#3 recently and the discipline and rigor of the vocalists are commensurate with paganini
	🎻 6:39pm Listener Robert: The music to Basketball Diaries may have been double drivel.
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:38 absolutely. the vocalists don't answer the phone for days before performances of Einstein on the Beach! True story.
	6:40pm brendanbell: Another wonderful show... I am so glad it's part of my Sunday meal-making ritual. I can only imagine how torturous it must be to learn how to play Reich.
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: i think another word to apply to minimalism is structuralism
	🎻 6:40pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Drumming Part III" by "Steve Reich & Musicians" Twinklism
	6:41pm ViolaChica: ↳ chresti @6:40 LOL
	🎻 6:41pm Listener Robert: Certain chords known centuries ago as diabla in musica were devil drivel.
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @6:40 thx for the anecdote....
	6:42pm The Frasier Crane of Ypsilanti // Red Door: ヘ⁠(⁠￣⁠ω⁠￣⁠ヘ⁠)
	6:42pm ViolaChica: ↳ Listener Robert @6:41 a tritone equaled the devil!
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This HowardGoodall thing on TheBeatles : www.youtube.com... ...a no-count little nothing Rawker like myself needs some reference point to Academia - posits that TheBeatles (as representatives of the Pop ~ Rawk Revolution in Culture, anyhow) - influenced even people like Glass in turning back to traditional Western Harmonics (after the Avant-garde Modernism)...
	6:44pm tom tom the pipers son: many of these 60's musicians studied indian music...probably meditation was an influence too
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:44 There was an American Masters episode on Glass - he emphasized that Ravi Shankar was a revelation to him in emphasizing each note equally ...what wasn't in there that I recall was that Glass lived with Moondog @ one time...
	6:46pm brendanbell: Slightly random question (I hope this is ok).. are there any wfmu fans looking for a place to stay at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville?
	6:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:46 that's right... : )
	6:47pm lance: Pretty cool stuff
	6:49pm brendanbell: ↳ brendanbell @6:46 if yes, please drop me a note at brendanbell.bell@gmail.com
	6:52pm tom tom the pipers son: you can say these musics are similar externally but internally they are very different
	6:54pm tom tom the pipers son: now this is turning into aphex twin
	🎻 6:55pm chresti: Was that the sound for turning the page?
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What I always think about re Gamelan is that it's like a large ensemble but each player is playing just one part of a single very large instrument. Manner of speaking... I did once stay up all night long for a Gamelan & Shadow Puppet performance. So I know it can be about long traditional Narrative like that ...a little like Opera or Soundtrack perhaps as well as Church theater they used to have in Europe maybe ? But long since have not...
	6:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @6:55 ha ha....franco back with the coffee filters yet?
	6:57pm Roberto: The gamelan was a hot item when I was at Wesleyan in the '80s.
	🎻 6:57pm chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:56 hi tom tom, not yet.
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they say the Trap Set in our common Musics is short for Contraption. No indigenous tradition has one person playing many Drums / Percussion instruments ?
	7:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:59 hmm that's interesting
	7:05pm Roberto: ↳ Roberto @6:57 My friend who was an East Asian Studies major had a go at it.
	7:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: When I lived in Santa Barbara I might be @ something like an all night Gamelan performance ...not so much in smalltowm NewHampshuh...
	7:07pm Roberto: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:06 SB is my second favorite place in USA! Right after Montauk.
	7:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Roberto @7:07 I can afford nothing.
	7:10pm Roberto: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:08 Yeah neither place is particularly affordable.
	7:11pm jeanli: no rules??
	7:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Theremin - 'Good Vibrations', 1950s SciFi...
	7:13pm tom tom the pipers son: leon theremin has an interesting story....invented wireless security systems, cryogenics...really tied into blavatsky style russian spiritualism
	7:16pm tom tom the pipers son: a tipping point in electronic music was in the 50's where there was an electronic score to the movie "forbidden planet"
	7:17pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:16 yes that is true. and Louis & Bebe Barron mansion still hosts events in the city. idealglassstudios.com...
	7:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ ViolaChica @7:17 Like the original circuitbenders ! So much I hear I think of them...
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:17 interesting looking place...thanks ...i subscribed
	7:23pm yippie: i've been thinking that wendy carlos produced and wrote electronic music for the movie deep throat
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: i would say again....same externally different internally to s.e. asian music.... fred.....what did he do? i missed it...
	7:27pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:26 Fred works at IRCAM I believe.
	7:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:13 Interesting how many of the pioneering Musical Engineers were also involved with Military Intelligence & the like. Makes for quite the Cultural History... Recording Tape itself was significantly advanced by German Nazis ...obvsly the War saw many technologies develop & transform...
	7:28pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:27 yes..
	7:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:27 yes very true...
	7:30pm tom tom the pipers son: is electronic music inherently feminine....? just askin'....
	7:31pm tom tom the pipers son: or was the field not dominated by men so women went for it
	🎻 7:32pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Clockworks (c. 1970)" by "Laurie Spiegel" this rules!
	7:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:30 Aha. Maybe somewhere women could work on their own ideas outside of establishments ? Or did / does chauvinism mean we don't hear about women in every field... Maybe both.
	7:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Clockworks (c. 1970)" by "Laurie Spiegel" i have not heard this before....
	7:33pm markinbrooklyn: Good snow music!
	7:34pm tom tom the pipers son: noise relates to cage
	7:37pm tom tom the pipers son: music concrete relates to fluxus also
	7:38pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:37 F L U X U S ! My peeps
	7:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:32 ...I expect the 'Sister with Transistors' film deals with this...
	🎻 7:39pm chresti: what makes it noise and not music?
	7:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:38 oh....!
	7:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zappa for instance - after Cage & whomever - said that anything you plan in any specific period is a Composition. Cage actually went beyond & posited that what matters is the Audition - that act & the attitude of Listening itself. Which is to say ...it's all Music. If you can Hear it that way...
	🎻 7:42pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Wire Recorder Piece (1944)" by "Halim El-Dabh" nice microphone
	7:43pm Alanthepainter: Yes, does it beat Branka, Glen Branka?
	7:43pm Paul Tamale: I once suggested to WQXR that they should have a feature called "Ives at 5". Do you think they listened? Nah.
	7:44pm jeanli: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:55 I Love this descritpion
	7:44pm Dean: Great set list. Sorry I've missed it until now. Hindemith Kammermusik: spectacular. Don't know Richter's performance. Cage was a mushroom forager, an expert, even?
	7:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:41 ...tho consider Beethoven - who couldn't even hear himself @ some point...
	7:45pm Dean: Another important, if implicit, theory of music: The Fall's "Repetition."
	7:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: That one Cage composition that takes 639 years to complete.
	7:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cage noted a formal Concert where no one listened. Then he went to a lecture on mushrooms @ a Museum ...& everyone was rapt with attention. This supposedly was a relevant moment for him...
	7:46pm Dean: ...is ongoing as we comment, Ken From Hyde Park
	7:47pm tom tom the pipers son: i don't think it's necessarily complete to say this is not random...
	7:47pm jeanli: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:47 live radio implies random, no?
	7:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ jeanli @7:47 [part of what i'm implying
	7:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: aleatory /ā′lē-ə-tôr″ē/ adjective Dependent on chance, luck, or an uncertain outcome. "an aleatory contract between an oil prospector and a landowner." Of or characterized by gambling. "aleatory contests." Using or consisting of sounds to be chosen by the performer or left to chance; indeterminate. "An object placed inside the piano added an aleatory element to the piece." ' Aleatory refers to something that is dependent on chance or random events, often used in contexts like gambling or certain types of contracts, such as insurance. The term comes from the Latin word "alea," meaning dice, highlighting its connection to luck and unpredictability. '
	7:49pm tom tom the pipers son: the importance of eastern philosophy to cage should be pointed out
	7:52pm Dean: The randomness here is a function of signals outside the control of the performer. Compare Tod Dokstader's Aerial, which more or less meticulously crafted lengthy pieces out of "found" (i.e., random) clips. Not quite as random. Or better, compare my own recorder playing, which ought to be fully intentional. My teacher, another student, and I performed Lassus today. Needless to say, my contributions were not infrequently random, unintentional, beyond my control
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: when random sounds enter one's consciousness are they random anymore
	🎻 7:55pm chresti: ↳ Song: "John Cage: Imaginary Landscape #4 for 12 radios (... was it filmed?
	7:56pm Dean: For several years I maintained a chronological record of online banking login six-digit security codes, a full one thousand of them. At some point (retirement?) I plan to analyze the series to determine, for example, whether the distribution of codes with four matching numerals is likely random. What is striking are those occasions when two codes in a row share most or all of the numerals.
	7:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks! Where will I go to next week to listen to music from dead people?
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thank you guys...
	7:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Dean @7:56 They say that - when people try & make what they think a random sequence is - they don't do enuff of those. & that's how the experts can tell if it really is...
	7:58pm ironybread: Honest random coincidence: I've had "Chameleon's Dish" stuck in my head for about three days.
	7:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJs CGCBs ~
	7:59pm ironybread: #SoWhatHappensNow
	7:59pm ViolaChica: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:57 Right here on WFMU! Jim will take you there...and more places :)
	7:59pm Dean: On the money, Rev. Patterns emerge even -- or especially -- out of randomness.
	8:00pm ViolaChica: Love you everyone! Thanks for tuning in. We'll be back soon. Stay well and safe!
	🎻 8:00pm Listener Robert: Yay!
	🎻 8:00pm chresti: Thank C&C
	🎻 8:03pm chresti: cause and effect

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from January 19, 2025

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From the most profound classical music recordings ever made, to genres and musical perspectives from around the globe, talk on music, art and recordings that changed our lives and the world around us. Tune-in as we explore why we only listen to "dead" people, and what is "alive" in music today. Special guests, call-ins welcome.

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January 19, 2025: Who's Making That Noise?
Continuing the 20th century not-your-Juilliard-approved-course in classical music devolving into not noise.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
Sviatoslav Richter, Yuri Nikolayevsky, Moscow Coservatory Chamber Orch.	Hindemith: Kammermusik 2, Op. 36 no. 1, 1st mvt.		Revelation	1978
Rudolf Serkin, George Szell, Columbia Symphony	Bartók: Piano Concerto no. 1, Sz. 83, 3rd mvt.		Columbia	1963	0:11:47 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Seiji Ozawa, Boston Symphony	Ives: Central Park in the Dark		Deutsche Grammophon	1977	0:21:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Steve Reich & Musicians	Drumming Part III	Drumming	Nonesuch	1987	0:35:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Peliatan Dance Group	Sekar Jupun (Balinese Gamelan)	Indonesia: Gamelan and Dances from Bali	Multicultural Media	2013	0:50:42 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Piphat orchestra of the Dept of Fine Arts, Thailand	Harvest Song		video	2010	0:56:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pinpeat Orchestra, Angkor Wat Cambodia	Kaman Pratham	Tha Music of Cambodia Vol. 1 - 9-Gong Gamelan	Celestial Harmonies	1993	1:02:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pinphat Orchestra, Vientiane School of Music, Laos	Prosperity Song	A Musical Anthology of the Orient: Laos	Bärenreiter-Musicaphon	1999	1:06:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kaija Saariaho	Jardin secret I for tape (1985)	Computer Music Currents 5	Wergo	1990	1:13:07 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Laurie Spiegel	Clockworks (c. 1970)	The Expanding Universe (reissue)	Unseen Worlds	2012	1:28:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Halim El-Dabh	Wire Recorder Piece (1944)	Crossing Into the Electric Magnetic	Without Fear	2000	1:36:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pierre Schaeffer	5 Etudes de bruits: Etude aux tourniquets (1948)	The French Avant-Garde in the 20th Century	LTM Recordings	2014	1:38:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jan Williams, Maelstrom Percussion Ensemble	John Cage: Imaginary Landscape #4 for 12 radios (1951)	Imaginary Landscapes	Hat Hut	2006	1:46:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Art of Noise	A Time for Fear (Who's Afraid)	(Who's Afraid Of?) The Art Of Noise!	Island Records	1984

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Listener comments!
	6:02pm tom tom the pipers son: sviatoslav whoOOO??! hello folks....
	🎻 6:02pm Listener Robert: Is that a prepared piano, or an aerial photo of ground made to look like a piano?
	6:04pm Heaventown: Play the hits!
	6:04pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Robert @6:02 not prepared more dis-repaired
	6:05pm Jeff Moore: That sounds fiendishly difficult to play!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: + Yay great Program +
	6:07pm jeanli: play music!
	6:09pm tom tom the pipers son: i think it's really unclear what postmodernism is in music...i don't think the label has really stuck
	🎻 6:10pm chresti: Hi Cullan and Carol dead people's music show
	6:10pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:09 it's a little clearer in visual are and perhaps literature
	6:11pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Carol and Cullan, and, dare I say, deadheads.
	6:11pm tom tom the pipers son: art
	6:11pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:09 I think some writer prolly came up with "postmodernism" when he or she was up against a deadline.
	6:12pm ViolaChica: Good evening everyone! We are staying warm in the studio. Blustery snow outside.
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think it characterizes PostModernism that one can borrow from any Form whatsoever - interchangeably. Modernism was concerned with Manifestos that asserted Change & Purpose. PostModernism says it's all been done - Art can't change anything actually ...it doesn't matter. Pastiche away - all Forms are Equal in their utility & (ir)relevance...
	6:13pm tom tom the pipers son: the philosopher frederic jameson was a brilliant "explainer" of postmodernism and art, whether film, books or.... i don't think he wrote about music
	6:14pm KentRed: fastest piece in traditional classical music = Brahms Piano Concerto No.1 in D Minor Op.151. Rondo (allegro non trope) Love the show!!
	6:14pm Alanthepainter: Bartok to Berlioz, modernism doesn’t exist, when you make something it’s in real time that passes …Posts are for hammering!
	6:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:13 ...my understanding is the term PostMod was first applied in architecture to NeoClassical fronts on otherwise undistinguished buildings...
	6:15pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:11 no i think it was thought about seriously....tbh
	6:16pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:14 right it was a sort of populism in contrast to th "highness" of modernism
	6:18pm Roberto: Sadly, in addition to the horrific loss of life and property, much of Arnold Schonberg's original manuscripts were lost in the Palisades Fire: www.gazettextra.com... My high school classmate, Randy Schoenberg, has what's left of his uncle Larry's collection.
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:16 michael graves and philip johnson were mainstreamers of the idea...robert venturi "learning from las vegas" is a better and more complex example
	6:19pm tom tom the pipers son: i saw that lynch clip
	6:19pm Mama 💜: Hi kids! It's snowing here too. I'm so happy to be snowed in with you!
	6:21pm carlos danger: speaking of stravinsky, i believe the famous fairlight cmi orchestral hit sample (famously heard on "owner of a lonely heart") is a sample of stravinsky's Firebird
	6:21pm tom tom the pipers son: another clip lynch is asked about product placement hew says "absolute bullshit... absolute fucking bullshit"
	6:22pm Jeff Moore: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:10 Yeah, and when I hear the word "postmodern" the first things which pop into my head are images of postmodern architecture and design. I'm seeing... terra cotta colored walls with raw chunks out of them, accented with perfect geometric figures in, say, aquamarine.
	6:22pm carlos danger: Ives was an insurance company man who wrote a pamphlet about how to sell insurance. I think it's called something like "Measuring the Prospect"
	6:22pm ViolaChica: ↳ Roberto @6:18 Yes. I met Randy last year when I performed his grandfather's 2nd quartet. I have been following online and we spoke about it last week a bit on the show. It's just beyond words the loss of his manuscripts, artifacts, books...
	6:22pm tom tom the pipers son: y' know i think ives might be the seedling of postmodernism
	6:23pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:21 I love it. A good reminder for folks because nowadays you supposedly have to "behave" to get work in the industry.
	6:24pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Song: "Ives: Central Park in the Dark" by "Seiji Ozawa, ... Is it true that Charles Ives was an insurance salesman? Please say it isn't true.
	6:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:22 yes there was a thing called "memphis design" like this too.... the turquoise and terracotta...very miami vice
	6:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 he was creative in it though...no willy loman
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Magritte was a bank clerk ? ...not as bad...
	6:26pm Pianoman: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Sorry but true. Ives & Myrick insurance company.
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Pianoman @6:26 I was just informed that we have no coffee filters. Off I go!
	🎻 6:27pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Ives: Central Park in the Dark" by "Seiji Ozawa, ... This got at least 2 minutes in before I started hearing the sort of stuff in it I associate with Ives. But once it hit that point, there's like nobody else it could be!
	6:28pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:27 by joe dimaggio?
	6:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:25 ...polarities in one mind. Surrealism means Super Realism after all...
	6:28pm Franco Twinkie: Chemex.
	6:29pm tom tom the pipers son: this ives really spoke to me...
	6:30pm tom tom the pipers son: facetious
	6:31pm Jeff Moore: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:24 Oh, yeah – I think those waves peaked around the same time and intermingled and autointerconflated.
	6:32pm carlos danger: I read somewhere that when Ives was a kid there were two parades playing different music going down the same street in opposite directions and it made a huge impression on him
	🎻 6:33pm Listener Robert: I love "post-drivel"!!
	6:33pm tom tom the pipers son: seems you're skipping over cage a "little" oversight
	6:33pm Maulydaft: I love this show so much :)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ carlos danger @6:32 Just reflecting one's actual environment & experience.
	6:34pm carlos danger: This Reich clapping music app is a lot of fun. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/steve-reichs-clapping-music/id946487211
	🎻 6:34pm Listener Robert: Some of Steve Post's mic breaks were Post drivel!
	6:34pm Wilson in SO: Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
	6:36pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:33 hang tight. we've gotcha :)
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Listener Robert @6:33 Indie drivel, industrial drivel. Hall.
	6:38pm tom tom the pipers son: i watched/listened to philip glass' kneeplay#3 recently and the discipline and rigor of the vocalists are commensurate with paganini
	🎻 6:39pm Listener Robert: The music to Basketball Diaries may have been double drivel.
	6:40pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:38 absolutely. the vocalists don't answer the phone for days before performances of Einstein on the Beach! True story.
	6:40pm brendanbell: Another wonderful show... I am so glad it's part of my Sunday meal-making ritual. I can only imagine how torturous it must be to learn how to play Reich.
	6:40pm tom tom the pipers son: i think another word to apply to minimalism is structuralism
	🎻 6:40pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Drumming Part III" by "Steve Reich & Musicians" Twinklism
	6:41pm ViolaChica: ↳ chresti @6:40 LOL
	🎻 6:41pm Listener Robert: Certain chords known centuries ago as diabla in musica were devil drivel.
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @6:40 thx for the anecdote....
	6:42pm The Frasier Crane of Ypsilanti // Red Door: ヘ⁠(⁠￣⁠ω⁠￣⁠ヘ⁠)
	6:42pm ViolaChica: ↳ Listener Robert @6:41 a tritone equaled the devil!
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This HowardGoodall thing on TheBeatles : www.youtube.com... ...a no-count little nothing Rawker like myself needs some reference point to Academia - posits that TheBeatles (as representatives of the Pop ~ Rawk Revolution in Culture, anyhow) - influenced even people like Glass in turning back to traditional Western Harmonics (after the Avant-garde Modernism)...
	6:44pm tom tom the pipers son: many of these 60's musicians studied indian music...probably meditation was an influence too
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:44 There was an American Masters episode on Glass - he emphasized that Ravi Shankar was a revelation to him in emphasizing each note equally ...what wasn't in there that I recall was that Glass lived with Moondog @ one time...
	6:46pm brendanbell: Slightly random question (I hope this is ok).. are there any wfmu fans looking for a place to stay at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville?
	6:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:46 that's right... : )
	6:47pm lance: Pretty cool stuff
	6:49pm brendanbell: ↳ brendanbell @6:46 if yes, please drop me a note at brendanbell.bell@gmail.com
	6:52pm tom tom the pipers son: you can say these musics are similar externally but internally they are very different
	6:54pm tom tom the pipers son: now this is turning into aphex twin
	🎻 6:55pm chresti: Was that the sound for turning the page?
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What I always think about re Gamelan is that it's like a large ensemble but each player is playing just one part of a single very large instrument. Manner of speaking... I did once stay up all night long for a Gamelan & Shadow Puppet performance. So I know it can be about long traditional Narrative like that ...a little like Opera or Soundtrack perhaps as well as Church theater they used to have in Europe maybe ? But long since have not...
	6:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @6:55 ha ha....franco back with the coffee filters yet?
	6:57pm Roberto: The gamelan was a hot item when I was at Wesleyan in the '80s.
	🎻 6:57pm chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:56 hi tom tom, not yet.
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...they say the Trap Set in our common Musics is short for Contraption. No indigenous tradition has one person playing many Drums / Percussion instruments ?
	7:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:59 hmm that's interesting
	7:05pm Roberto: ↳ Roberto @6:57 My friend who was an East Asian Studies major had a go at it.
	7:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: When I lived in Santa Barbara I might be @ something like an all night Gamelan performance ...not so much in smalltowm NewHampshuh...
	7:07pm Roberto: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:06 SB is my second favorite place in USA! Right after Montauk.
	7:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Roberto @7:07 I can afford nothing.
	7:10pm Roberto: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:08 Yeah neither place is particularly affordable.
	7:11pm jeanli: no rules??
	7:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Theremin - 'Good Vibrations', 1950s SciFi...
	7:13pm tom tom the pipers son: leon theremin has an interesting story....invented wireless security systems, cryogenics...really tied into blavatsky style russian spiritualism
	7:16pm tom tom the pipers son: a tipping point in electronic music was in the 50's where there was an electronic score to the movie "forbidden planet"
	7:17pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:16 yes that is true. and Louis & Bebe Barron mansion still hosts events in the city. idealglassstudios.com...
	7:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ ViolaChica @7:17 Like the original circuitbenders ! So much I hear I think of them...
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:17 interesting looking place...thanks ...i subscribed
	7:23pm yippie: i've been thinking that wendy carlos produced and wrote electronic music for the movie deep throat
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: i would say again....same externally different internally to s.e. asian music.... fred.....what did he do? i missed it...
	7:27pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:26 Fred works at IRCAM I believe.
	7:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:13 Interesting how many of the pioneering Musical Engineers were also involved with Military Intelligence & the like. Makes for quite the Cultural History... Recording Tape itself was significantly advanced by German Nazis ...obvsly the War saw many technologies develop & transform...
	7:28pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:27 yes..
	7:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:27 yes very true...
	7:30pm tom tom the pipers son: is electronic music inherently feminine....? just askin'....
	7:31pm tom tom the pipers son: or was the field not dominated by men so women went for it
	🎻 7:32pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Clockworks (c. 1970)" by "Laurie Spiegel" this rules!
	7:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:30 Aha. Maybe somewhere women could work on their own ideas outside of establishments ? Or did / does chauvinism mean we don't hear about women in every field... Maybe both.
	7:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Clockworks (c. 1970)" by "Laurie Spiegel" i have not heard this before....
	7:33pm markinbrooklyn: Good snow music!
	7:34pm tom tom the pipers son: noise relates to cage
	7:37pm tom tom the pipers son: music concrete relates to fluxus also
	7:38pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:37 F L U X U S ! My peeps
	7:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:32 ...I expect the 'Sister with Transistors' film deals with this...
	🎻 7:39pm chresti: what makes it noise and not music?
	7:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ ViolaChica @7:38 oh....!
	7:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zappa for instance - after Cage & whomever - said that anything you plan in any specific period is a Composition. Cage actually went beyond & posited that what matters is the Audition - that act & the attitude of Listening itself. Which is to say ...it's all Music. If you can Hear it that way...
	🎻 7:42pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Wire Recorder Piece (1944)" by "Halim El-Dabh" nice microphone
	7:43pm Alanthepainter: Yes, does it beat Branka, Glen Branka?
	7:43pm Paul Tamale: I once suggested to WQXR that they should have a feature called "Ives at 5". Do you think they listened? Nah.
	7:44pm jeanli: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @6:55 I Love this descritpion
	7:44pm Dean: Great set list. Sorry I've missed it until now. Hindemith Kammermusik: spectacular. Don't know Richter's performance. Cage was a mushroom forager, an expert, even?
	7:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @7:41 ...tho consider Beethoven - who couldn't even hear himself @ some point...
	7:45pm Dean: Another important, if implicit, theory of music: The Fall's "Repetition."
	7:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: That one Cage composition that takes 639 years to complete.
	7:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cage noted a formal Concert where no one listened. Then he went to a lecture on mushrooms @ a Museum ...& everyone was rapt with attention. This supposedly was a relevant moment for him...
	7:46pm Dean: ...is ongoing as we comment, Ken From Hyde Park
	7:47pm tom tom the pipers son: i don't think it's necessarily complete to say this is not random...
	7:47pm jeanli: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:47 live radio implies random, no?
	7:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ jeanli @7:47 [part of what i'm implying
	7:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: aleatory /ā′lē-ə-tôr″ē/ adjective Dependent on chance, luck, or an uncertain outcome. "an aleatory contract between an oil prospector and a landowner." Of or characterized by gambling. "aleatory contests." Using or consisting of sounds to be chosen by the performer or left to chance; indeterminate. "An object placed inside the piano added an aleatory element to the piece." ' Aleatory refers to something that is dependent on chance or random events, often used in contexts like gambling or certain types of contracts, such as insurance. The term comes from the Latin word "alea," meaning dice, highlighting its connection to luck and unpredictability. '
	7:49pm tom tom the pipers son: the importance of eastern philosophy to cage should be pointed out
	7:52pm Dean: The randomness here is a function of signals outside the control of the performer. Compare Tod Dokstader's Aerial, which more or less meticulously crafted lengthy pieces out of "found" (i.e., random) clips. Not quite as random. Or better, compare my own recorder playing, which ought to be fully intentional. My teacher, another student, and I performed Lassus today. Needless to say, my contributions were not infrequently random, unintentional, beyond my control
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: when random sounds enter one's consciousness are they random anymore
	🎻 7:55pm chresti: ↳ Song: "John Cage: Imaginary Landscape #4 for 12 radios (... was it filmed?
	7:56pm Dean: For several years I maintained a chronological record of online banking login six-digit security codes, a full one thousand of them. At some point (retirement?) I plan to analyze the series to determine, for example, whether the distribution of codes with four matching numerals is likely random. What is striking are those occasions when two codes in a row share most or all of the numerals.
	7:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks! Where will I go to next week to listen to music from dead people?
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thank you guys...
	7:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Dean @7:56 They say that - when people try & make what they think a random sequence is - they don't do enuff of those. & that's how the experts can tell if it really is...
	7:58pm ironybread: Honest random coincidence: I've had "Chameleon's Dish" stuck in my head for about three days.
	7:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJs CGCBs ~
	7:59pm ironybread: #SoWhatHappensNow
	7:59pm ViolaChica: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @7:57 Right here on WFMU! Jim will take you there...and more places :)
	7:59pm Dean: On the money, Rev. Patterns emerge even -- or especially -- out of randomness.
	8:00pm ViolaChica: Love you everyone! Thanks for tuning in. We'll be back soon. Stay well and safe!
	🎻 8:00pm Listener Robert: Yay!
	🎻 8:00pm chresti: Thank C&C
	🎻 8:03pm chresti: cause and effect

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from January 19, 2025

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