WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 27, 2025

Listener comments!
	♥ 5:26pm Trouble: short article about today's artwork: hyperallergic.com...
	♥ 8:55am chresti: morning Trouble and troubled!
	8:58am Mike in Montreal: These are troublous times!
	♥ 8:59am chresti: (making coffee)
	♥ 9:00am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all! Let every Tesla receive a dropped Olmec colossal head.
	♥ 9:01am bradford: Good morning Trouble & greetings to all.
	♥ 9:01am unpopularfred: good grey morning Modern World
	♥ 9:01am captain beef fart: Mernin'
	♥ 9:01am Handy Haversack: Gray Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	♥ 9:01am common: trouble, all. great quote from nina!
	♥ 9:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble and everyone...
	♥ 9:02am Marley P. Dogg: Morning Trouble and Troubledors everywhere
	♥ 9:02am ThunderDumplin' (MW in Baltimore): Heyhey
	9:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): morning trouble!! i was so excited to hear you are interviewing jennifer higgie. i took an online class of hers, though admittedly have a few more lectures to watch... this is going to motitvate me to finish :):)
	♥ 9:02am D Rok: This sounds very Bjork-inspired!
	9:04am TDK60: Good morning, deejay Trouble.
	9:04am audiolab1: Good morning Trouble, assembled listeners.
	♥ 9:05am chresti: Mostly clear and 80s forecast in San Gabriel, Cal
	♥ 9:05am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning. I express my favor of automobile recycling!
	♥ 9:06am Trouble: Good Morning thursday modern people!
	♥ 9:06am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @9:05 seems like you guys were just in the 50's recently....maybe cooler...
	9:06am katharsis: hellos, may those troubled be comforted
	♥ 9:07am Zip7: Hello Troubled modernists, wherever you are!
	♥ 9:07am disco_nap_: Good morning, Troublemakers!
	♥ 9:08am sleepy: Good morning Trouble and all! It’s an important day in Ontario….please get out and vote.
	♥ 9:08am Handy Haversack: Ooo, Marty as your first co-host next week! That's going to be a party show!
	♥ 9:08am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:06 Yes. Back to the 60s tomorrow, hopefully
	♥ 9:09am disco_nap_: Roberta 😭🙏👼🏾
	♥ 9:09am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:08 Venn diagram includes Honey Cone.
	♥ 9:09am Harry Corvair: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Legend. May her memory be a blessing.
	♥ 9:10am alanr: Buenos dias from the city in which the foto of the Olmec head on a Tesla was taken. Never enough Roberta!! Such a talented musician, producer, arranger.....the music of our lives...or some of us.
	♥ 9:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @9:08 60's-70's...perfect... we have a warm spell here...50's
	9:10am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" <3 <3 RIP.
	9:10am Mike in Montreal: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" This is singing! lovely stuff
	♥ 9:11am disco_nap_: ↳ alanr @9:10 Oooohh I didn’t even realize the car was a Tesla! Thanks for pointing that out
	♥ 9:12am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: Good morning, good peoples!
	♥ 9:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" beautiful miss flack taking a beatles-esque theme and spinning it
	♥ 9:13am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Was just listening to my vinyl copy of this after hearing the news. Safe journey, Roberta Flack.
	9:13am TDK60: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" I used to have this LP. A friend (or possibly foe) made off with it.
	9:13am fatamorgana: goooood ol' thursday morning trouble & all
	♥ 9:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "bitchin'" by "Charles Rouse" aka charlie rouse...monk's sideman...?
	9:15am audiolab1: ↳ Song: "bitchin'" by "Charles Rouse" I'm so pleased that Strata East is embarking on an LP reissue campaign...and I believe this is one of the titles in the first batch.
	♥ 9:17am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:15 Sounds like him!
	♥ 9:17am disco_nap_: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:08 Hell yeah! 🥳
	9:17am rx "rexy" scabin: Good morning, Trouble and Everyone. A rainy day here.
	♥ 9:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:15 oh now i hear it ...it is him... but a little less biting tone
	♥ 9:18am disco_nap_: ↳ alanr @9:10 Also Palma looks so gorgeous
	9:20am Philip: love,love,love Nina Simone. thx
	9:22am lentils: wow on vinyl too. spoiling us !! trouble in the house !!
	9:22am Fredericks: George was Nina's favorite Beatle.
	♥ 9:22am tom tom the pipers son: rouse's sax tone and nina simone's voice have a similar biting tone... in my view...
	♥ 9:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 thank gd she broke them up...
	♥ 9:23am Webhamster Henry: Double dose of Nina...can Alice Coltrane and Lonnie Holley be far off?
	9:23am Mark91: ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" What a beautiful rendition of an incredible song.
	♥ 9:23am NotARealDoctor: Good morning Trouble, trouble makers.
	♥ 9:23am Elena: ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" Is that vinyl crackling? So cool.
	♥ 9:24am NotARealDoctor: @Trouble, I thought of you when I saw this article: www.hcn.org...
	♥ 9:25am Ken From Hyde Park: This week in Bird Talk: I saved up a small container of apple seeds and now I need to find some kind of bird feeder to distribute them to the hungry fliers.
	9:26am Fredericks: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:23 Ha.
	9:26am C: Getting verklempt with the Nina this morning, Trouble. <3
	9:26am Christy D: This is staggeringly beautiful 😢
	♥ 9:26am Jason from Houston: Heyyyyyy there.
	♥ 9:27am tom tom the pipers son: i don't care about people... as long as i have my cell phone to hypnotize me ... hail zuckerberg...!
	9:27am Mark91: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @9:25 Do the birds like the apple seeds? I've found that Tractor Supply Company has good deals on bird seeds. Also some nature centers sell bird seed at good prices (and the proceeds go to the Nature Centers). It might require a web-search for details.
	9:27am Fredericks: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 Then George went through his Jim Hall phase recording instrumental jazz records.
	♥ 9:27am Handy Haversack: The dog and I are walking K8 over the bridge. Back soon. Coming out hot, Trouble. What fire.
	9:28am Matty cannabis: this is hitting me in the feels
	9:29am rx "rexy" scabin: Happy Belated Birthday, NS.
	♥ 9:30am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Mark91 @9:27 That's good info. Thanks!
	♥ 9:31am unpopularfred: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 this album also has that amazing performance of My Sweet Lord
	♥ 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: simone literally wring out opur souls like a wet dishrag
	♥ 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: wringing out our
	9:31am morphe': ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" People like Nina and Roberta and fellow Joe Showcased on Monday = Bill Fay will hopefully get us through this ever so evident power and $$$$$ grab .... walls to hold back the dire possibilities ... Mein Gott !!!!
	9:32am rforoughi: The day you played my sweet lord / isn’t it a killer last February changed my world <3 I can’t get enough of the emergency ward record
	♥ 9:32am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 or would that be figuratively...?
	9:33am rx "rexy" scabin: This is from a fabulous album.
	♥ 9:33am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ morphe' @9:31 si, si!
	9:33am Fredericks: ↳ unpopularfred @9:31 Why does Robert Christgau so dislike her?
	9:34am kevlicki: Good morning Trouble! I saw your message and will email you some thoughts! How was the art book fair? I considered applying to table but I had about an hour to do so after finding out about the event 🤪
	9:34am GorillaFella: Absolutely stunning, beautiful program today. Loving these tunes 💕
	♥ 9:35am Trouble: merci@ gorillaFella!
	♥ 9:35am winston legthigh: give me trouble!
	♥ 9:37am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Fredericks @9:33 Sometimes I think Christgau falls in love with his own "clever snark."
	♥ 9:37am Mxter Baba: Hellloooooo, Trouble! Hello troubledors!
	♥ 9:38am tom tom the pipers son: grey is the way...
	9:38am Christy D: Ken & Mark91 - Harrison’s bird food is organic so a bit pricier but I don’t feed birds or animals anything I wouldn’t eat myself. Cheap seed is almost always treated with pesticides and preservatives. https://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/product-category/wild-wings-organic-seeds/
	♥ 9:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:37 good morning babakins!
	9:39am Alanthepainter: Trouble you are a delight to wake up with! Great set.
	♥ 9:39am chris from the sub basement: Good morning Trouble! Thank you for recommending the MORRIS MUSEUM; went there over the weekend with my step daughter who is 12. She adored the music box exhibit and I was blown away by Sally Michel. Any other places we should visit?
	9:43am rx "rexy" scabin: Thaank you, Trouble and Everyone. I must go do errands.
	9:43am Mark91: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Ms. Flack was "discovered" and was a regular at Mr. Henry's, a gay bar near Capital Hill, DC. www.mrhenrysdc.com Its still there!
	9:43am Mike in Montreal: Smokey!
	9:45am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "the love i saw in you was just a mirage" by "Smok... it's magic!
	♥ 9:45am NotARealDoctor: ↳ Mark91 @9:43 I'll have to check it out next time I'm there. My partner travels to DC for when pretty regularly. Or at least he used to prior to all of this mess.
	♥ 9:46am Zip7: Ms. Zip overheard some of her students talking about a visit to a jazz museum in the Bronx last weekend. Anyone happen to know what it is? I'm stumped
	9:46am morphe': Teach Trouble [all double entendres intended] All unknown Nina history for me ... WFMU OnAir/OnLine UNI ... Donate and keep the school doors open !!! pledge.wfmu.org...
	9:46am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: dang this song has lines! 🔥🔥 loving the show trouble!
	♥ 9:46am NotARealDoctor: ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:45 for work*
	9:47am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): geeze trouble your show is just the best. all the time. every week.
	♥ 9:47am Dan 2: Mornin' peeps!
	9:49am morphe': ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:46 Enjoy the Marathon NARD, including the finale ...
	9:52am Philip: Yes it does.
	♥ 9:52am Mxter Baba: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:38 how’s the piping, tttpskins?
	♥ 9:53am tom tom the pipers son: had the privilege of seeing nina simone at the beacon in '93... she was not in a good mood but brought it all together for second half of show
	♥ 9:53am Mxter Baba: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @9:47 yes, this! hi, bixakins!
	9:54am Mark91: ↳ Song: "Smiling Faces Sometimes" by "bobbi humphrey" If Amy Winehouse wasnt inspired by Bobbi Humprey...
	♥ 9:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:52 toot...toot... : )
	♥ 9:54am Mxter Baba: this whole set just needs to be floeing through my day all day, please
	♥ 9:54am winston legthigh: ↳ Zip7 @9:46 the national jazz museum is in harlem?
	♥ 9:55am NotARealDoctor: ↳ morphe' @9:49 You've got no idea how pumped I am. I've got my costume all coming together, should be putting the finishing touches on it next week!
	♥ 9:56am Trouble: great to hear @ chris from the sub basement! The morristown museum is an unknown gem. Have you ever been to the Newark museum? they have a fabulously varied collection that they have just rehung with lots of wall info about the artworks if that is your thing. The variety is great b/c if one room is not your thing, then you just move on to another vibe.
	♥ 9:56am Mxter Baba: ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:55 oooh, so fun!!!
	♥ 9:56am Zip7: ↳ winston legthigh @9:54 Maybe that's it. Thanks, Winston!
	♥ 9:57am winston legthigh: ↳ Zip7 @9:56 de nada.
	♥ 9:59am NotARealDoctor: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:56 Just got some embroidering, paint and glue left
	♥ 10:00am NotARealDoctor: Alright have a beautiful day everyone, time to clock in at the pharmacy.
	10:01am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Doesn’t that drum line sound like Vitamin C?
	♥ 10:01am Handy Haversack: OK, bridge walk aborted by a rat encounter. Nose cleaned and swabbed, Neosporin applied. Vaccination status verified. Wild. Times.
	♥ 10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 oh no...
	10:04am βrian: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 I saw a rat once. Once.
	♥ 10:06am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 It was a bit of a lot! We're both taking a minute here.
	♥ 10:06am Sera from Rockaway: Where is the photo of the garden?
	10:06am park: Greenwood Gardens
	10:07am josquin depressed: what does a rat encounter entail
	♥ 10:07am mndave: @Trouble - keep going! Week 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, bring it
	10:07am still b/p: Gotta go for the easy one: Reading daily headlines in these weeks = rat encounters.
	♥ 10:07am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 Pizza Rat?
	♥ 10:07am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Checking in late.... shoveled my driveway.
	♥ 10:07am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:06 yeah... how is radio in non physical terms...
	10:07am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yay higgie!!!!
	♥ 10:08am Sera from Rockaway: Yes, I ordered the book! I haven't started reading yet
	10:08am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 Your nose or the dog's?
	♥ 10:09am tom tom the pipers son: no doubt higgie on hilma af klint
	10:10am TDK60: Oui oui deejay T. They wanna take away Black History Month. In fact they appear to want to sanitize or erase history in general. Because history of full of those TROUBLEmakers! Freedom fighters, artists who didn't take crap. ETC.
	10:10am Charles in Chicago: AI=BS
	♥ 10:10am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:08 The dog's. He was undaunted and really wanted to engage in high-speed pursuit, but cooler heads prevailed.
	10:10am marks: cannot wait for radio DJs to be replaced by AI ;)
	10:11am βrian: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 Say, that could be the caption for the playlist photo.
	10:12am Philip: yah now!! been a minute yo!
	10:12am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:10 Just say NO to AI. Somebody asked me why I object to it, I started to write my answer, I had an outline of about 19 reasons, and each of those could take 10 pages to explain fully.
	♥ 10:12am unpopularfred: ↳ Fredericks @9:33 I can't answer that. But, as I've said in this space before, there was a time in my life (when I was young and ignorant) when I could not stand Nina Simone and Trouble was among the people who helped straighten me and set me down the proper path. (It was probably some later record where her voice was a bit raw and wobbly that made a bad impresion)
	10:12am clarabowie: Many fond memories of this album and living in the Big Snapple then.
	♥ 10:13am winston legthigh: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 it's called spotify.
	10:13am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 In the broadest possible terms, there were a few categories of reasons: 1: It's fake-ass bullshit, 2: It rips off human creativity, 3: It's bad for the environment 4: It further concentrates power in the hands of Big Tech.
	10:14am Charles in Chicago: ↳ winston legthigh @10:13 Yeah, there's a reason I'm here listening to Trouble on WFMU and not Pandora/Spotify/other algorithmically-generated crap
	♥ 10:14am chresti: winstonkins!
	10:14am still b/p: I keep thinking there will be plenty of complaints and litigation, and then more of both, but ultimately AI enterprises will be an unstoppable steamroller and juggernaut, with abundant casualties, because the capabilities exist and money will rule and fuel and fuel and fuel the advance.
	10:15am Dan from PEI.: Whos cool like that? You are.
	10:15am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 I find this silly, but I'm sure you have your reasons. For me this is progress that you can say NO, like to the Internet, rail, science. It's not going to make any difference.
	10:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:13 I'll try to keep cool but this topic gets me steamed up. For decades programmers shared code as part of the "open-source" movement so we could all build on each other's work and learn from each other, not realizing that the open source repos would become training fodder for the AIs that threaten to replace us. Unintended consequences strike again.
	10:16am Fredericks: ↳ Song: "thembi" by "Pharoah Sanders" Playing some of my favorites.
	♥ 10:16am mndave: ↳ still b/p @10:14 I hear that outifts like openAI are hemorrhaging billions of dollars. Consumers flat-out don't want it and few use it. That investment will blow up real quick (that's my hope)
	♥ 10:17am Mxter Baba: ↳ Song: "thembi" by "Pharoah Sanders" whenever I see that I have already clicky starred a track, I like to find out how long ago and on what program that was—this one was 2022 Irene Trudel :-)
	10:17am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 what about deep seek? i thought the environmental impact was significantly lower than the AI developed in the states. to me that signaled it's more of a money grab here, curious to hear your thoughts
	10:18am Dan from PEI.: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:15 Home computers were arguably better before the internet took over...so much squandedred potential with big tech. Too much greed.
	10:18am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:15 That's a pretty defeatist attitude. I have to think that I can make a small difference. The Gov't should be regulating this stuff, we don't just have to accept any "progress" that comes along, without any kind of regulations or controls on it. We got airplanes, but we also got the FAA. We got TV/radio but we got the FCC. Nowadays people think regulations are bad, but I think they are incredibly important. The crazy push toward deregulation that started under Reagan caused a lot of problems.
	10:18am Fredericks: ↳ unpopularfred @10:12 Thank you for that explanation. I seem to recall National Lampoon using her as the butt of a joke.
	10:19am Charles in Chicago: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @10:17 Deep Seek is definitely an interesting development but I don't know enough about it to say anything really insightful. I agree with Dan from PEI about greed. Greed and absence of regulations are the heart of the problem.
	♥ 10:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:18 great points charles...
	10:20am Charles in Chicago: My blood pressure is way up just thinking about this, so I need to take some deep breaths and listen to Pharoah and regain my composure.
	10:20am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:18 I did not say regulations are not required, just commented on 'saying NO', which I assumed, maybe wrongly, meant that AI should be banned all together.
	♥ 10:21am Trouble: this is the garden that graced the front cover of my fundraising premium from last year www.themontclairgirl.com...
	10:21am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:20 The copyright infringements should be stopped completely, which would shut down a lot of it
	10:22am βrian: Oumou!!
	10:22am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:20 haha okay topic change! deep breath!
	10:22am Philip: beautiful transition
	♥ 10:22am disco_nap_: ↳ Trouble @10:21 Thank you!
	10:22am Aunt Sushi: ↳ Song: "woula bara diagna" by "Oumou Sangare" "Moussolou" is such a 12 out 10 album, thank you so much for putting this on today, Trouble!!
	10:23am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Aunt Sushi @10:22 yeah this is beautiful!
	♥ 10:24am Mxter Baba: ↳ Philip @10:22 yes, indeed—I always enjoy Trouble’s playlists, however today the program is transcendental
	10:24am Mike in Montreal: It was A.I. that produced that great video of Elon's feet being worshipped by the weird guy
	♥ 10:24am tom tom the pipers son: somewhat tied to a.i. and 'progress' is that way the populace is hooked on to there cell phone screens, a lot of it is a.i. driven repetitive and a form of hypnotic capitalism
	♥ 10:24am Mxter Baba: the only tracks I haven’t clicky starred were the ones I missed hearing
	10:26am Matty Cannabis: Wow Trouble, I love it that you play Oumou Sangare!! One of the most amazing shows I've ever seen was Oumou at SOBs, it was a religious experience. And she is an outspoken advocate for women in Mali, truly an amazing artist
	10:26am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 "Hypnotic capitalism", I like that, will add that phrase to my vocabulary. Honestly I don't really want to live in this world any more, but I don't want to die either. Somebody take me to a better planet please!!
	10:26am βrian: Good lord, I wonder if they're harvesting clicky-stars, too!
	♥ 10:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 their.... i could have used an effing a.i. autocorrect there for shits sake
	10:26am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:21 I don't get that argument, how that does differ from people getting 'inspired' from other people work? Basically entire education is based on reusing what other people created and then transforming it into something else.
	♥ 10:26am Zip7: Reading an interesting book right now: Morgan Falconer, "How to Be Avant-Garde: Modern Artists and the Quest to End Art." It's a good overview of the 20th century "isms" from Futurism to Situationism and everything in between.
	♥ 10:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ marks @10:26 you are confusing A.I. with personhood
	♥ 10:27am Mxter Baba: AI would put Negativland out of business
	10:28am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 i agree, hypnotic capitalism is a great phrase. spooky. "they" want our attention
	10:28am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:26 Elon's your man. lol
	10:28am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:26 Unlike AI, human inspiration is not owned and controlled by billionaires and huge corporations. But I really don't have the energy to argue with you about this right now.
	10:28am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Mike in Montreal @10:24 i agree it's not all bad
	♥ 10:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 which is what big tech want you to do
	10:28am Fredericks: ↳ βrian @10:04 I had an albino pet rat. His name was Edgar Winter.
	10:28am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:28 Living on Elon's Mars sounds like hell to me. I want Sun Ra to take me to Saturn.
	10:30am Fredericks: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @9:37 True enough. I know I have fallen for it a few times.
	10:31am marks: Only one of those destinations seem somewhat realistic. I'm messing, love Sun Ra too. Have a great day!
	♥ 10:31am WoodsOfMaine: How is AI different from a human inspired by past creations. Simple. A human creates something evaluates it subjectively and keeps going. AI does ZERO subjective evaluation. It's just messing around with data. And it's doing it with great environmental cost.
	10:32am marks: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:31 yea, for now, it's only beginning.
	♥ 10:32am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Fredericks @10:30 I've read a ton of stuff from critics of that era and really enjoy it...but sometimes they just get needlessly nasty about things.
	10:33am josquin depressed: ↳ Song: "new trac" by "Francis Bebey" does this guy want bananas or not
	♥ 10:33am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:26 Have you read David Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus (which is a star, I know)? That's almost like visiting another planet all on its own!
	♥ 10:33am WoodsOfMaine: Don't worry, art will be banned soon and we won't have to worry about how it's created.
	10:33am Aunt Sushi: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:31 I agree, and I also think it's more about autonomy and decisions. Even though you might be inspired by another person's work, you're still making small, even subconscious decisions to alter your source material based on a life you've lived and the interests you've collected. That's what makes your work interesting. AI is not making decisions based on personal experience. It's randomizing small elements from others' work without changing them
	10:34am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:33 Have not, I should check it out. I like early 20th C sci-fi ("speculative fiction") like Olaf Stapledon. I'll add this to my list.
	♥ 10:34am Dan 2: ↳ Zip7 @10:26 Hey, I loved this book! So informative and so many oddball characters. Pasting my favorite weirdo below because I have the PDF: For Marinetti, anger was a fuel, it was an energy: he once described it as “the caffeine of Europe.”21 And all his violent talk wasn’t merely a performance: Marinetti was an avant-gardist who made that military metaphor seem very appropriate. He loved war. His first taste of it came when he worked as a correspondent reporting conflict in Libya and the Balkans. He departed for the adventure saying that he hoped “to shoot some Turks,” and returned claiming to have killed three. He started a fight with a journalist who revealed the dreadful treatment that the Italian army meted out to Arab rebels. And he composed poems evoking the clamor of the battlefield. Then he volunteered to fight in the First World War (he would be arrested along with Mussolini during pro-war demonstrations in Rome); then he volunteered to fight in the Abyssinian War; then he volunteered for the Second World War and served on the Eastern Front at the age of sixty-five. Somehow, a little while later, he died of natural causes.
	10:35am Charles in Chicago: ↳ josquin depressed @10:33 More freedom!
	10:35am peter in SEA: Bravo, @aunt sushi
	♥ 10:35am Zip7: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:32 Christgau always reminded me of the smartest guy in class --who has to remind you of it constantly.
	♥ 10:36am WoodsOfMaine: Hot news on the coast: I changed the blade in my razor today.
	10:36am Mike in Montreal: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:33 Things are going to change, certainly. We're not going to preserve the old way of doing things
	10:36am rich the greeb: This Bebe trac is a jammer!!
	10:36am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:34 Co-author of the "Fascist Manifesto"
	10:36am tak: futurists were whack.
	♥ 10:36am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Zip7 @10:35 Perfect!
	10:36am peter in SEA: Bonjour @Trouble and Thursday people. Resist and Create!
	10:36am rich the greeb: *Bebey
	♥ 10:37am tom tom the pipers son: there is a economic/political basis for cell phone hypnotism which is to be in line with "progress", big tech and the 'winners' in society... it's the zero /sum game epitomized... the endgame of capitalism...and why people will run you down on the city street while engazed on their cell phones... they are an employee of big tech
	10:37am Philip: i need banana, some water, to dance on a new track
	♥ 10:37am maurer: good morning DJ Trouble! greetings from LA! thanks for the great early morning music !!!
	♥ 10:37am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "new trac" by "Francis Bebey" Dang, I love the melodic percussion in this.
	♥ 10:38am captain beef fart: I'll give you some bananas, potatoes, and yams at the same time
	10:38am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:37 this whole album is fantastic, if you've never heard it. Also another Bebey comp "Psychedelic Sanza" is equally good.
	♥ 10:38am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:36 Yes, when I say I love the weirdo, I meant I love how much I'm appalled by him
	10:39am fatamorgana: yes miss eryKah miss BaDu, thank you trouble bows in reverence
	10:39am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:38 Definitely an interesting character.
	♥ 10:39am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:34 One of those acid trip, brain expanders of a book. Like Moravagine.
	♥ 10:39am Zip7: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:34 Stapledon's "Star Maker" and "Last and First Men" are truly mind-blowing. Also recently revisited Stanley Weinbaum's great short story "A Martian Odyssey"
	♥ 10:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 love moravagine
	♥ 10:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:39 lice a good book too...
	10:40am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 Another one added to my list!
	♥ 10:40am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:38 Interesting. The comp is on Bandcamp with zero tracks on it.
	10:41am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:38 I feel the same way about Ezra Pound
	♥ 10:41am Ike: Sounding good!
	10:42am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:40 You could always buy the LP :-)
	10:42am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: Miss Eryka Badu!!!
	♥ 10:42am tom tom the pipers son: i want to coin a word... "engazed"
	♥ 10:43am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:41 Wow, I had no idea about his politics. The first paragraph of this article sums it up pretty well: www.thenation.com...
	♥ 10:44am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:42 All the physical media is sold out. Weird. Reminds me of the album (Cinnamint or something) that had the digital album but for $1200. Why?
	10:44am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:43 Yup. And I actually like some of his poetry (not the part with the anti-Semitic rants). But it's pretty hard to be a fan of the guy.
	♥ 10:45am Peter in SEA: Bravo on the playlist art this morning, @Trouble!
	♥ 10:45am Zip7: Here's a good overview of books on the dalliance of intellectuals with fascism: shepherd.com...
	♥ 10:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Peter in SEA @10:45 Un-turn-away-from-able!
	♥ 10:46am Trouble: lyrics from go up moses : 'Boss man hears the people's song Coats his lies and rearranges': spot on!! and beautifully put
	♥ 10:46am Trouble: full lyrics;genius.com...
	♥ 10:47am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Trouble @10:46 "Boss man hears the people's song Coats his lies and rearranges"....no kidding
	10:48am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:44 A few copies on Discogs at a fairly reasonable price www.discogs.com... www.discogs.com...
	10:48am TDK60: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:44 Hi Charles. I don't know Pound's poetry. But poet Allen Ginsberg said Pound was a great poet but not the politics. I think I read that Pound in later life said he'd been stupid for saying anti-semitic things. [?]
	10:48am still b/p: re war and violence junkies: I heard a former military man giving a talk about possibilities for peace in the world. Such speaking and advocating had become his work and mission. He spoke of the percentages of soldiers who suffered severe PTSD, and a less severe degree, and a percentage who had mild cases. The remaining percentage who suffered no traumatic effects or difficulties whatsoever...those, he said, were the psychotics.
	10:49am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @tom tom the pipers son fitting song lyrics rn for what you're talking about! 🎶
	10:49am tak: springtime is (almost) here
	♥ 10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ red_door_what_for in ypsilanti @10:49 👍🏻
	♥ 10:50am Trouble: bonjour @ peter in SEA! merci
	♥ 10:50am Zip7: ↳ Zip7 @10:45 Wolin was probaby too modest to list himself, but his "The Seduction of Unreason" is excellent -- probably the best place to start
	♥ 10:51am Krull Sagan: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 Thanks for these recommendations, H^2, they look amazing! Relevant for me now too, working through a stack of Stanislaw Lem books I inherited- Return From The Stars right now
	♥ 10:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tak @10:49 there will be some "speed bumps" along the way...sunday... 35 degrees
	♥ 10:51am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:48 As I recall, the Allied authorities stuck him in a mental hospital rather than have the embarrassment of prosecuting one of English's best-known poets as a war criminal.
	♥ 10:52am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "go up moses" by "Roberta Flack" Always the best...
	♥ 10:52am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:48 Thanks!
	♥ 10:52am Handy Haversack: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Oooo, nice!
	♥ 10:54am prof.fuzz: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:51 pound should have been prosecuted for his "translations" of chinese poetry. not only did he not actually read chinese, but held the mistaken view that all 50,000 or so chinese characters were pictographic, and so he "translated" the "pictures" resulting in some interesting poems that had nothing to do with the originals he was "translating."
	10:55am Toothgrinder Tom: @Handy St Elizabeth’s in Washington DC. I never heard of him expressing any remorse for betraying his country or of being anti-Jewish, anti-black, etc.
	10:55am Mike in Montreal: 10:55, time for a sip of yesterday's coffee.
	♥ 10:56am jmr3: ↳ Song: "angels and demons at play" by "Sun Ra Arkestra" I guess this is Tara Middleton, but an entry point for Sun Ra for me was that June Tyson reminded me a little of my father listening to all those Roberta Flack records
	♥ 10:57am StringOFperils: Goodest morninge
	10:58am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @Mike in Montreal same here, cheers ! ☕☕
	10:58am still b/p: ↳ prof.fuzz @10:54 I recall, decades ago, columnist James Kilpatrick saying Pound had "salted" his pieces with the characters, and something like "God and Pound alone knew what they meant."
	10:59am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: loved these lyrics ty for highlighting!
	10:59am Otto: Absolutely fuckin A right! Stop giving these people your money
	10:59am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @10:54 Agreed. But they are interesting poems. I've always like this one "Hep-Cat Chung" www.poetrynook.com...
	♥ 11:01am Trouble: genius.com...
	11:01am Mike in Montreal: too far away to attend :(
	♥ 11:01am WoodsOfMaine: John Lurie was on this show?! Is it in the archives? I couldn't find it.
	♥ 11:01am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:59 i teach this poem (the original in a real translation) almost every year. it's great, and reveals a lot about early Zhou era society and social practice.
	11:01am Meesalikeu: chryssie hynde
	11:01am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Lem is an old favorite of mine. There's some good discussion of his work here www.metafilter.com... "crazy_yeti" is me :-) Be sure to check out the Lethem link I posted there.
	♥ 11:01am jmr3: This is the Modern World (Distance) Librarians Unite!
	11:02am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:01 Can you point me to a real translation?
	11:02am Mike in Montreal: Trouble, please put your Oscar Wilde quote on a t-shirt
	11:02am Meesalikeu: never challenge a clevelander on our homies troubs ;)
	♥ 11:02am prof.fuzz: ↳ still b/p @10:58 that's a very polite way of saying "pound made shit up," which is my reply when students ask about his "translation."
	11:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yes yes yes yes
	♥ 11:03am Trouble: @Mike in montreal ooooooo... une bonne idee!
	♥ 11:04am Krull Sagan: Oh no...is the John Lurie guest DJ set too early in the archives to listen to???
	11:05am inês: I would also like to know when Lurie was on the show.. @WoodsOfMaine I can’t find too :/
	♥ 11:05am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:02 here's one by james legge: ctext.org...
	11:05am katharsis: oooo self portraiture is my wheelhouse
	11:05am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: yesssss absolutely locked into this conversation thank you ✨
	11:05am Fredericks: ↳ still b/p @10:58 Wasn't James Kilpatrick a far-right Reagan supporter?
	11:07am TDK60: The need for reenchantment? Writer, activist Silvia Federici has written on such.
	11:07am inês: wait was this one? https://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/46445
	♥ 11:07am prof.fuzz: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 Legge's rendering of "Zhongzi" as "Mr. Zhong" is wrong. Zhong is a counting number, indicating the person's position as second in birth order. Zi means son, here. So, Zhongzi should be rendered as "Second Son." This reflects the naming practices of peasants in the early Zhou, and this poem's origins as a peasant folksong, courtship song.
	♥ 11:08am mariano: Everything has been more popular than the Anglican/Episcopal church in the US, lol. No disrespect to the author, it's just always been such a small denomination.
	♥ 11:09am mariano: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:52 SUBDIVISIONS
	11:09am still b/p: ↳ Fredericks @11:05 Far is the word. And fossilized.
	♥ 11:09am Handy Haversack: ↳ mariano @11:09 SUBDIVISIONS
	♥ 11:09am Trouble: @ mariano: The author is talking about anglicanism in the UK, not the US
	11:10am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): i so wish i was at that guggenheim show of af klint
	♥ 11:10am tom tom the pipers son: i feel the speakers are leaving out russian spiritualism of the time, madame blavatsky et al
	♥ 11:10am mariano: ↳ Trouble @11:09 Ah, thanks. That'll teach me to listen while working.
	♥ 11:10am Peter in SEA: Thank you for this @Trouble!
	♥ 11:11am Handy Haversack: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @10:55 I don't recall hearing anything like that either.
	♥ 11:11am prof.fuzz: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 that link had the simplified characters. here it is with the traditional forms (same Legge translation): ctext.org...
	♥ 11:11am Trouble: @ tom tom: madame blavatsky has a giant chapter in this book, we haven't got that far yet...
	11:11am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:10 she teaches about madame blavatsky. the first lecture in the course i took led by higgie was about 90 minutes of running through mystic female artists around the world. it's a huge topic!
	♥ 11:12am Peter in SEA: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @11:10 Word!
	♥ 11:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @11:11 👍🏻
	11:12am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 Thanks a lot for that, it's very interesting to compare this to Pound's translation! I can see where this is far more literal, but I don't think it's completely fair to say Pound's rendition has "nothing to do with the original", at least in this case - the elements are there, willow trees, garden wall, mulberry trees, parents, etc. And I dare say Pound's translation is more "fun". ("Hep-Cat" cracks me up, and I like the rhyme scheme, and the refrain of "It's awful".). Note I'm not trying to argue with you here, you clearly know what you are talking about and I really value your highly informed comments & opinions. Thanks.
	♥ 11:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @11:11 gotcha.... meant to say 'yet'
	♥ 11:13am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 some of pound's "translations" are closer to the originals than others. that is the case with 'hep-cat'. i view his results as "interpretations" rather than "translations."
	11:14am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 word.it's cool you wanted to hear her get some air time
	11:14am katharsis: i was invited to do a spiritualist automatic drawing "performance" and readings at a victorian fair so studied up on all this
	11:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Direct link: Jonathan Lethem's "My Year of Reading Lemmishly" www.lrb.co.uk... if you're interested in Lem
	♥ 11:15am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 Seconding that it's fascinating to compare! Also, I think "Second Son" would sound better than "Mr. Zhong" anyway. But maybe I just like that it reminds me of Highway 61: Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night Told the first father that things weren’t right My complexion she said is much too white He said come here and step into the light he says hmm you’re right Let me tell the second mother this has been done But the second mother was with the seventh son And they were both out on Highway 61
	11:16am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:13 Thanks for the lesson, Prof. Fuzz!
	♥ 11:16am Peter in SEA: ↳ katharsis @11:14 Wow! And did you…?
	♥ 11:16am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 i wish i had a transcript of my usual discussion of this poem in my class. it puts the piece in historical and social context, clarifying both the history and poem, and makes it even more fun when you realize what's going on in the poem: a guy sneaking into his girlfriend's house to hook up.
	♥ 11:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 The annoying thing is that Pound had to come up with a whole laborious, pretentious theory of translation to justify his just riffing and bopping. It all would have been a lot more tolerable if he were just capable of admitting that it's fun to play with language, even if you're just copying and pasting from others.
	♥ 11:17am prof.fuzz: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:17 THIS!
	11:17am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:16 I'd love to sit in on your class!
	♥ 11:18am tom tom the pipers son: there was a thread of spiritualism in early bauhaus... johannes itten
	♥ 11:19am prof.fuzz: ↳ Dan 2 @11:15 this is exactly what the Zhongzi poem is. a folk song with repeating elements and systematic variation (changes in location, trees). sometimes i sing this in class as "second son, second son, don't you climb my wall..." and the students see these old poems in the same vein as folk songs and blues.
	11:19am still b/p: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:17 Personal language Lego biz: Was just looking a minute ago -- not deeply, just Wiki -- at info about the lingua ignota of Hildegard of Bingen.
	♥ 11:20am Dan 2: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:19 AH! That's awesome. You can always bring Bob into things...
	11:20am Fredericks: www.openculture.com...
	11:20am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:16 Is the song sung from the perspective of the girlfriend?
	♥ 11:20am Dan 2: Re: Janet Sobel, here's a quote from her on the MOMA site: “I don’t think ever I would paint a picture without music to listen to. All humans must have something like that, that warms them inside.”
	11:20am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yes!!! ithel!!!
	11:21am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): sigh i wish i could go
	♥ 11:22am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "interview with jennifer higgie" Gotta add this to my list. Just recently finished The Story of Art Without Men. Pretty good.
	11:24am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): this interview is making me short circuit cuz i'm so into it
	11:25am TDK60: That's a fun museum down in St. Ives. You can take a rest in the lobby and watch people surfing outside on the beach.
	11:25am eva: Love this! Just saw a wonderful exhibition at Rose Art Museum- “Leonora Carrington: Dream Weaver”.
	♥ 11:26am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ inês @11:07 Yep!
	11:26am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: finding my personal spiritual path saved my life!✨☯️ with the talk of legge and mulberry tree poetry, a quote from the i ching comes to mind: "The (ruler/wise man) in his correct central place brings the distress and obstruction to a close. Yet he, as ruler, is warned to maintain his caution in two lines of rhyme: "And let him say, `I die! I die!' -- So to a bushy clump his fortune he shall tie."
	♥ 11:26am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:09 a. always funny b. I listened to that yesterday
	♥ 11:28am Kat in the chat: Ooh I want to read this book
	♥ 11:28am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ eva @11:25 Where is Rose Art Museum? I have just discovered Leonora Carrington
	♥ 11:28am Kat in the chat: I stopped working to listen to this conversation
	11:28am spodiodi: Greetings, Trouble and all
	11:29am Meesalikeu: thx for a head’s up by mentioning lenore tawney aka queen of fiber arts to her — that chapter has my interest
	11:30am βrian: Bedlam is about what? Missed it.
	11:30am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) right!! I'm checking out that book!
	♥ 11:31am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:20 yes. the speaker is the young woman.
	11:31am ?: I don't get art
	11:31am Meesalikeu: very nicely done interview — what an interesting topic
	11:31am TDK60: ↳ Sera from Rockaway @11:28 Hi Sera. That museum is in Waltham, Massachusetts. Carrington also wrote. Her book The Hearing Trumpet is fine.
	♥ 11:32am Trouble: rose museum in on the brandeis campus, just outside of boston
	11:32am eva: Rose Art Museum is at Brandeis U.. in Waltham MA outside Boston. https://www.brandeis.edu/rose/exhibitions/2025/leonora-carrington.html
	11:32am Otto: That was a great conversation thank you 🙏 Trouble
	♥ 11:32am Webhamster Henry: Thanks for the interview!
	♥ 11:33am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ eva @11:32 Thank you Eva and Trouble!
	11:33am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): Thank you Trouble, way to snag such an amazing historian for an interview. My heart grows 3 sizes when I hear women in conversation about other women artists. especially mystical ones. augh. it's just so good.
	11:33am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:31 Thanks Prof, you greatly added to my understanding and appreciation of this poem.
	11:33am Meesalikeu: juuusssst outside of boston hiiigh as i’ve ever beeen … :)
	♥ 11:33am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ TDK60 @11:31 Will look up the book! Thank you TDK 60
	11:33am Charles in Chicago: And thanks Trouble and Jennifer Higgie for that great interview!
	♥ 11:34am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:33 you're welcome. that's what i get paid the big bucks for.
	♥ 11:35am Peter in SEA: Book on hold at SPL! Merci, Trouble and Jennifer! Ithell C.’s work is wild & wonderful!
	♥ 11:35am Trouble: if you love leonora carrington you should check out her tarot deck. there is a large oversized book with fab images. www.artandobject.com...
	♥ 11:36am chresti: ↳ Song: "row land" by "Roland P Young" Love!
	11:37am βrian: ↳ βrian @11:30 "Bedlam" subject?
	11:37am Meesalikeu: i see there is a similar book to higge’s called art of the occult by s. alexander that also looks great
	11:38am katharsis: @peter yes! it was great fun. i had people do their own drawings and then we talked about them. i am not a medium. spiritualism and the related arts movements also fed the development of modern phycology. all of interest to me.
	11:39am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @11:35 Would love to travel to San Luis Potosí in Mexico and see the Carrington museum - one of these days!
	♥ 11:39am Handy Haversack: Lovely talk, Trouble! Thanks for that!
	♥ 11:40am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:31 Was going to mention The Hearing Trumpet as another just brain-meltingly wildly good book.
	11:41am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:39 I saw some of her work at the National Museum of Mexican Art in Chicago, and was enchanted by it.
	11:43am northguineahills: hola trouble and modern worlders!
	♥ 11:43am Peter in SEA: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:41 And you’ve read her books “Down Below” and “The Hearing Trumpet”? Both reissued by NYRB. :-) I recommend!
	11:43am Mike in Montreal: ↳ Song: "starlight and you" by "Lonnie Liston Smith" smooooth transition
	♥ 11:44am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ βrian @11:37 Bedlam is a fictionalized account of a Victorian painter in a mental hospital in London after murdering his father. It's a novel by Jennifer Higgie. She said it would be rereleased
	♥ 11:44am Peter in SEA: ↳ katharsis @11:38 👏❤️
	11:45am James: this track is perfect and really loved the interview earlier!
	♥ 11:46am Trouble: glad you enjoyed it @ james!
	11:46am Meesalikeu: i see a pak of the carrington tarot cards are $150 & up — i wish they would reprint them.
	11:47am still b/p: At least a moment’s antidote to current and distressing crapstorms. A wonderful Maine headline worth a share and smile: “Drag queens help break barriers at state ice fishing event.” Ya want a picture? w2pcms.com... “I mean, we’re talking a sensible go-go boot,” Ophelia Johnson said. “Those are all-terrain heels, you can do a lot in those.” They not only posed, they mingled around a campfire on the lake ice, they helped people with event info (500 people attended), they gave a cooking demo. Outreach director for our state Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife: “The event that we hold each year is designed to try to create an environment for people who maybe traditionally haven’t felt comfortable — for a variety of reasons, different barriers — spending time outdoors in the winter months.” There are plenty in Maine and elsewhere who’ll have fits and ulcers over this apparent public colliding of worlds, but I say again it’s wonderful, and great that it’s just days ago, in the midst of such widespread fears, retreats and choices to submit.
	11:50am northguineahills: got 5"s of snow so far, was barely supposed to get 1". i wonder if the cuts at the nws and noaa, has us caught unprepared in vt.
	♥ 11:50am common: ↳ still b/p @11:47 thank you for that!
	11:50am eva: Thanks for the fabulous interview! Just what I needed! Peace everyone!
	11:51am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Peter in SEA @11:43 My reading list keeps growing!
	11:52am northguineahills: i attended an onlinevt town hall w/ both sentars (bernie and peter) and the rep (self-described "feisty dyke",, becca balint. to summorize, there are still politicians putting the common people in their interests to fight the good fight, but there are a ways to go.
	11:53am northguineahills: oh, and always, thanks, trouble!
	11:53am eric from lake hiawatha: Brilliant show. Surrounding Nina with stellar artists. All thrive. Thanks
	♥ 11:54am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today. see you next week with my co-host marty mcsorley!
	11:54am Andres: Off to vote this afternoon in the provincial election. Thanks for the fab pre-polls music, Trouble.
	♥ 11:55am Zip7: You really outdid yourself today, Trouble! Thanks for the wonderful music and locus for community -- I always learn a lot
	♥ 11:56am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Good luck, Canadian voters. Don't make the same mistake we did down here!
	♥ 11:56am Peter in SEA: Current admin = second class fools!
	11:56am Tara: holy moly the show today thank you Trouble !
	11:56am Mike in Montreal: lovely stuff Trouble, looking forward to next week, and the whole fundraiser bash
	♥ 11:56am listener james from westwood: Kind thanks, Trouble, and grats for the smashing Black History Month selections all through February!
	♥ 11:57am Handy Haversack: Thanks, Trouble. Another humdinger, I gotta say. Looking forward to the party next week!
	♥ 11:57am three-hour brunch friend: ↳ Song: "the backlash blues" by "nina simone" this groove! amazing. thanks for an incredible show Trouble.
	♥ 11:57am kirk from beer city usa: wow, this nina simone song!
	11:57am Philip: such a fantastic show. thx
	♥ 11:57am sleepy: Thank you Trouble! Great show!
	♥ 11:58am spodiodi: Thanks, Trouble!
	♥ 11:58am Sera from Rockaway: Thank you Trouble!
	11:58am Philip: ohhhhhhh man HENDRIX!!!!!!
	11:58am Charles in Chicago: Another great show, Thanks Trouble!
	♥ 11:58am regina j: Thank you so much, Trouble. What a fantastic, inspiring set.
	♥ 11:58am James in ATL: Great show! Thank you so much.
	♥ 11:59am Kat in the chat: Thank you, Trouble!
	11:59am βrian: ↳ Sera from Rockaway @11:44 Muchas, Sera.
	12:00pm Meesalikeu: super show
	12:25pm Stephanie: Had to join late, but very glad I heard the last few songs, will have to check the archives for the full interview and possibly pick up the book!

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 27, 2025

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This is the Modern World with Trouble welcomes Jennifer Higgie, author of The Other Side, a Story of Women in Art and the Spiritual World. Jennifer Higgie is an Australian writer living in London. She wrote fabulously for Frieze Magazine for over 2 decades, is a curator and hosted the podcast Bow Down. In honor of The Other Side coming out in paperback in the US, Jennifer and trouble will discuss women artists, seances and spiritualism.
Thu. Mar 6th, 9am - Noon: Trouble and her Co-Host Marty McSorley

February 27, 2025: “What kept me sane was knowing that things would change, and it was a question of keeping myself together until they did." - Nina Simone

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from the Neo-Tameme series by Chavis Mármol

Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Nailah Hunter	000 "000" by "Nailah Hunter"	lovegaze	fat possum		0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nina Simone	don't explain "don't explain" by "Nina Simone"	nina simone sings billie holiday lady sings the blues		born february 21, 1933	0:03:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Roberta Flack	gone away "gone away" by "Roberta Flack"	chapter two			0:08:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Charles Rouse	bitchin' "bitchin'" by "Charles Rouse"	two is one			0:12:47 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
nina simone	isn't it a pity "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone"	emergency ward!			0:19:59 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
sun ra arkestra	i dream too much "i dream too much" by "sun ra arkestra"	Reflections in Blue			0:31:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Smokey Robinson and the Miracles	the love i saw in you was just a mirage				0:43:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
theatre west	children of tomorrow's dream	I Think You'll Like This: This Is the Modern World 2024 Marathon Premium			0:45:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nina Simone	It Be's That Way Sometimes	silk and soul			0:49:52 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
bobbi humphrey	Smiling Faces Sometimes	blue break beats			0:52:44 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
archie shepp	Blues For Brother George Jackson	attica blues			0:58:50 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

digable planets	what cool breezes blow	reachin' ( a new refutation of time and space)			1:10:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pharoah Sanders	thembi "thembi" by "Pharoah Sanders"	thembi			1:13:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Oumou Sangare	woula bara diagna "woula bara diagna" by "Oumou Sangare"	Moussolou			1:21:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nina Simone	come ye "come ye" by "Nina Simone"	High Priestess Of Soul			1:26:17 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Francis Bebey	new trac "new trac" by "Francis Bebey"	african electronic music1975-82			1:29:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
eryKah Badu	kiss me on my neck "kiss me on my neck" by "eryKah Badu"	mama's gun			1:37:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Roberta Flack	go up moses "go up moses" by "Roberta Flack"	Quiet Fire			1:43:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sun Ra Arkestra	angels and demons at play	swirling	strut		1:48:44 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

interview with jennifer higgie	"interview with jennifer higgie"			author of The Other Side: A Story of Women in Art and the Spirit World	2:01:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Roland P Young	row land "row land" by "Roland P Young"	isophonic boogie woogie			2:30:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Roland Kirk	The Inflated Tear "The Inflated Tear" by "Roland Kirk"	The Inflated Tear			2:37:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lonnie Liston Smith	starlight and you	the best of			2:42:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
nina simone	chilly winds don't blow	pastel blues			2:47:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
baby washington	breakfast in bed "breakfast in bed" by "baby washington"				2:51:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
nina simone	the backlash blues "the backlash blues" by "nina simone"	'nuff said			2:56:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
jimi hendrix	moon , turn the tides...gently gently away	Electric Ladyland			2:57:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 5:26pm Trouble: short article about today's artwork: hyperallergic.com...
	♥ 8:55am chresti: morning Trouble and troubled!
	8:58am Mike in Montreal: These are troublous times!
	♥ 8:59am chresti: (making coffee)
	♥ 9:00am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all! Let every Tesla receive a dropped Olmec colossal head.
	♥ 9:01am bradford: Good morning Trouble & greetings to all.
	♥ 9:01am unpopularfred: good grey morning Modern World
	♥ 9:01am captain beef fart: Mernin'
	♥ 9:01am Handy Haversack: Gray Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	♥ 9:01am common: trouble, all. great quote from nina!
	♥ 9:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble and everyone...
	♥ 9:02am Marley P. Dogg: Morning Trouble and Troubledors everywhere
	♥ 9:02am ThunderDumplin' (MW in Baltimore): Heyhey
	9:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): morning trouble!! i was so excited to hear you are interviewing jennifer higgie. i took an online class of hers, though admittedly have a few more lectures to watch... this is going to motitvate me to finish :):)
	♥ 9:02am D Rok: This sounds very Bjork-inspired!
	9:04am TDK60: Good morning, deejay Trouble.
	9:04am audiolab1: Good morning Trouble, assembled listeners.
	♥ 9:05am chresti: Mostly clear and 80s forecast in San Gabriel, Cal
	♥ 9:05am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning. I express my favor of automobile recycling!
	♥ 9:06am Trouble: Good Morning thursday modern people!
	♥ 9:06am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @9:05 seems like you guys were just in the 50's recently....maybe cooler...
	9:06am katharsis: hellos, may those troubled be comforted
	♥ 9:07am Zip7: Hello Troubled modernists, wherever you are!
	♥ 9:07am disco_nap_: Good morning, Troublemakers!
	♥ 9:08am sleepy: Good morning Trouble and all! It’s an important day in Ontario….please get out and vote.
	♥ 9:08am Handy Haversack: Ooo, Marty as your first co-host next week! That's going to be a party show!
	♥ 9:08am chresti: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:06 Yes. Back to the 60s tomorrow, hopefully
	♥ 9:09am disco_nap_: Roberta 😭🙏👼🏾
	♥ 9:09am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:08 Venn diagram includes Honey Cone.
	♥ 9:09am Harry Corvair: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Legend. May her memory be a blessing.
	♥ 9:10am alanr: Buenos dias from the city in which the foto of the Olmec head on a Tesla was taken. Never enough Roberta!! Such a talented musician, producer, arranger.....the music of our lives...or some of us.
	♥ 9:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ chresti @9:08 60's-70's...perfect... we have a warm spell here...50's
	9:10am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" <3 <3 RIP.
	9:10am Mike in Montreal: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" This is singing! lovely stuff
	♥ 9:11am disco_nap_: ↳ alanr @9:10 Oooohh I didn’t even realize the car was a Tesla! Thanks for pointing that out
	♥ 9:12am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: Good morning, good peoples!
	♥ 9:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" beautiful miss flack taking a beatles-esque theme and spinning it
	♥ 9:13am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Was just listening to my vinyl copy of this after hearing the news. Safe journey, Roberta Flack.
	9:13am TDK60: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" I used to have this LP. A friend (or possibly foe) made off with it.
	9:13am fatamorgana: goooood ol' thursday morning trouble & all
	♥ 9:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "bitchin'" by "Charles Rouse" aka charlie rouse...monk's sideman...?
	9:15am audiolab1: ↳ Song: "bitchin'" by "Charles Rouse" I'm so pleased that Strata East is embarking on an LP reissue campaign...and I believe this is one of the titles in the first batch.
	♥ 9:17am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:15 Sounds like him!
	♥ 9:17am disco_nap_: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:08 Hell yeah! 🥳
	9:17am rx "rexy" scabin: Good morning, Trouble and Everyone. A rainy day here.
	♥ 9:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:15 oh now i hear it ...it is him... but a little less biting tone
	♥ 9:18am disco_nap_: ↳ alanr @9:10 Also Palma looks so gorgeous
	9:20am Philip: love,love,love Nina Simone. thx
	9:22am lentils: wow on vinyl too. spoiling us !! trouble in the house !!
	9:22am Fredericks: George was Nina's favorite Beatle.
	♥ 9:22am tom tom the pipers son: rouse's sax tone and nina simone's voice have a similar biting tone... in my view...
	♥ 9:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 thank gd she broke them up...
	♥ 9:23am Webhamster Henry: Double dose of Nina...can Alice Coltrane and Lonnie Holley be far off?
	9:23am Mark91: ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" What a beautiful rendition of an incredible song.
	♥ 9:23am NotARealDoctor: Good morning Trouble, trouble makers.
	♥ 9:23am Elena: ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" Is that vinyl crackling? So cool.
	♥ 9:24am NotARealDoctor: @Trouble, I thought of you when I saw this article: www.hcn.org...
	♥ 9:25am Ken From Hyde Park: This week in Bird Talk: I saved up a small container of apple seeds and now I need to find some kind of bird feeder to distribute them to the hungry fliers.
	9:26am Fredericks: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:23 Ha.
	9:26am C: Getting verklempt with the Nina this morning, Trouble. <3
	9:26am Christy D: This is staggeringly beautiful 😢
	♥ 9:26am Jason from Houston: Heyyyyyy there.
	♥ 9:27am tom tom the pipers son: i don't care about people... as long as i have my cell phone to hypnotize me ... hail zuckerberg...!
	9:27am Mark91: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @9:25 Do the birds like the apple seeds? I've found that Tractor Supply Company has good deals on bird seeds. Also some nature centers sell bird seed at good prices (and the proceeds go to the Nature Centers). It might require a web-search for details.
	9:27am Fredericks: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 Then George went through his Jim Hall phase recording instrumental jazz records.
	♥ 9:27am Handy Haversack: The dog and I are walking K8 over the bridge. Back soon. Coming out hot, Trouble. What fire.
	9:28am Matty cannabis: this is hitting me in the feels
	9:29am rx "rexy" scabin: Happy Belated Birthday, NS.
	♥ 9:30am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Mark91 @9:27 That's good info. Thanks!
	♥ 9:31am unpopularfred: ↳ Fredericks @9:22 this album also has that amazing performance of My Sweet Lord
	♥ 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: simone literally wring out opur souls like a wet dishrag
	♥ 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: wringing out our
	9:31am morphe': ↳ Song: "isn't it a pity" by "nina simone" People like Nina and Roberta and fellow Joe Showcased on Monday = Bill Fay will hopefully get us through this ever so evident power and $$$$$ grab .... walls to hold back the dire possibilities ... Mein Gott !!!!
	9:32am rforoughi: The day you played my sweet lord / isn’t it a killer last February changed my world <3 I can’t get enough of the emergency ward record
	♥ 9:32am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 or would that be figuratively...?
	9:33am rx "rexy" scabin: This is from a fabulous album.
	♥ 9:33am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ morphe' @9:31 si, si!
	9:33am Fredericks: ↳ unpopularfred @9:31 Why does Robert Christgau so dislike her?
	9:34am kevlicki: Good morning Trouble! I saw your message and will email you some thoughts! How was the art book fair? I considered applying to table but I had about an hour to do so after finding out about the event 🤪
	9:34am GorillaFella: Absolutely stunning, beautiful program today. Loving these tunes 💕
	♥ 9:35am Trouble: merci@ gorillaFella!
	♥ 9:35am winston legthigh: give me trouble!
	♥ 9:37am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Fredericks @9:33 Sometimes I think Christgau falls in love with his own "clever snark."
	♥ 9:37am Mxter Baba: Hellloooooo, Trouble! Hello troubledors!
	♥ 9:38am tom tom the pipers son: grey is the way...
	9:38am Christy D: Ken & Mark91 - Harrison’s bird food is organic so a bit pricier but I don’t feed birds or animals anything I wouldn’t eat myself. Cheap seed is almost always treated with pesticides and preservatives. https://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/product-category/wild-wings-organic-seeds/
	♥ 9:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:37 good morning babakins!
	9:39am Alanthepainter: Trouble you are a delight to wake up with! Great set.
	♥ 9:39am chris from the sub basement: Good morning Trouble! Thank you for recommending the MORRIS MUSEUM; went there over the weekend with my step daughter who is 12. She adored the music box exhibit and I was blown away by Sally Michel. Any other places we should visit?
	9:43am rx "rexy" scabin: Thaank you, Trouble and Everyone. I must go do errands.
	9:43am Mark91: ↳ Song: "gone away" by "Roberta Flack" Ms. Flack was "discovered" and was a regular at Mr. Henry's, a gay bar near Capital Hill, DC. www.mrhenrysdc.com Its still there!
	9:43am Mike in Montreal: Smokey!
	9:45am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "the love i saw in you was just a mirage" by "Smok... it's magic!
	♥ 9:45am NotARealDoctor: ↳ Mark91 @9:43 I'll have to check it out next time I'm there. My partner travels to DC for when pretty regularly. Or at least he used to prior to all of this mess.
	♥ 9:46am Zip7: Ms. Zip overheard some of her students talking about a visit to a jazz museum in the Bronx last weekend. Anyone happen to know what it is? I'm stumped
	9:46am morphe': Teach Trouble [all double entendres intended] All unknown Nina history for me ... WFMU OnAir/OnLine UNI ... Donate and keep the school doors open !!! pledge.wfmu.org...
	9:46am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: dang this song has lines! 🔥🔥 loving the show trouble!
	♥ 9:46am NotARealDoctor: ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:45 for work*
	9:47am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): geeze trouble your show is just the best. all the time. every week.
	♥ 9:47am Dan 2: Mornin' peeps!
	9:49am morphe': ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:46 Enjoy the Marathon NARD, including the finale ...
	9:52am Philip: Yes it does.
	♥ 9:52am Mxter Baba: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:38 how’s the piping, tttpskins?
	♥ 9:53am tom tom the pipers son: had the privilege of seeing nina simone at the beacon in '93... she was not in a good mood but brought it all together for second half of show
	♥ 9:53am Mxter Baba: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @9:47 yes, this! hi, bixakins!
	9:54am Mark91: ↳ Song: "Smiling Faces Sometimes" by "bobbi humphrey" If Amy Winehouse wasnt inspired by Bobbi Humprey...
	♥ 9:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:52 toot...toot... : )
	♥ 9:54am Mxter Baba: this whole set just needs to be floeing through my day all day, please
	♥ 9:54am winston legthigh: ↳ Zip7 @9:46 the national jazz museum is in harlem?
	♥ 9:55am NotARealDoctor: ↳ morphe' @9:49 You've got no idea how pumped I am. I've got my costume all coming together, should be putting the finishing touches on it next week!
	♥ 9:56am Trouble: great to hear @ chris from the sub basement! The morristown museum is an unknown gem. Have you ever been to the Newark museum? they have a fabulously varied collection that they have just rehung with lots of wall info about the artworks if that is your thing. The variety is great b/c if one room is not your thing, then you just move on to another vibe.
	♥ 9:56am Mxter Baba: ↳ NotARealDoctor @9:55 oooh, so fun!!!
	♥ 9:56am Zip7: ↳ winston legthigh @9:54 Maybe that's it. Thanks, Winston!
	♥ 9:57am winston legthigh: ↳ Zip7 @9:56 de nada.
	♥ 9:59am NotARealDoctor: ↳ Mxter Baba @9:56 Just got some embroidering, paint and glue left
	♥ 10:00am NotARealDoctor: Alright have a beautiful day everyone, time to clock in at the pharmacy.
	10:01am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Doesn’t that drum line sound like Vitamin C?
	♥ 10:01am Handy Haversack: OK, bridge walk aborted by a rat encounter. Nose cleaned and swabbed, Neosporin applied. Vaccination status verified. Wild. Times.
	♥ 10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 oh no...
	10:04am βrian: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 I saw a rat once. Once.
	♥ 10:06am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:03 It was a bit of a lot! We're both taking a minute here.
	♥ 10:06am Sera from Rockaway: Where is the photo of the garden?
	10:06am park: Greenwood Gardens
	10:07am josquin depressed: what does a rat encounter entail
	♥ 10:07am mndave: @Trouble - keep going! Week 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, bring it
	10:07am still b/p: Gotta go for the easy one: Reading daily headlines in these weeks = rat encounters.
	♥ 10:07am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 Pizza Rat?
	♥ 10:07am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Checking in late.... shoveled my driveway.
	♥ 10:07am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:06 yeah... how is radio in non physical terms...
	10:07am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yay higgie!!!!
	♥ 10:08am Sera from Rockaway: Yes, I ordered the book! I haven't started reading yet
	10:08am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:01 Your nose or the dog's?
	♥ 10:09am tom tom the pipers son: no doubt higgie on hilma af klint
	10:10am TDK60: Oui oui deejay T. They wanna take away Black History Month. In fact they appear to want to sanitize or erase history in general. Because history of full of those TROUBLEmakers! Freedom fighters, artists who didn't take crap. ETC.
	10:10am Charles in Chicago: AI=BS
	♥ 10:10am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:08 The dog's. He was undaunted and really wanted to engage in high-speed pursuit, but cooler heads prevailed.
	10:10am marks: cannot wait for radio DJs to be replaced by AI ;)
	10:11am βrian: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 Say, that could be the caption for the playlist photo.
	10:12am Philip: yah now!! been a minute yo!
	10:12am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:10 Just say NO to AI. Somebody asked me why I object to it, I started to write my answer, I had an outline of about 19 reasons, and each of those could take 10 pages to explain fully.
	♥ 10:12am unpopularfred: ↳ Fredericks @9:33 I can't answer that. But, as I've said in this space before, there was a time in my life (when I was young and ignorant) when I could not stand Nina Simone and Trouble was among the people who helped straighten me and set me down the proper path. (It was probably some later record where her voice was a bit raw and wobbly that made a bad impresion)
	10:12am clarabowie: Many fond memories of this album and living in the Big Snapple then.
	♥ 10:13am winston legthigh: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 it's called spotify.
	10:13am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 In the broadest possible terms, there were a few categories of reasons: 1: It's fake-ass bullshit, 2: It rips off human creativity, 3: It's bad for the environment 4: It further concentrates power in the hands of Big Tech.
	10:14am Charles in Chicago: ↳ winston legthigh @10:13 Yeah, there's a reason I'm here listening to Trouble on WFMU and not Pandora/Spotify/other algorithmically-generated crap
	♥ 10:14am chresti: winstonkins!
	10:14am still b/p: I keep thinking there will be plenty of complaints and litigation, and then more of both, but ultimately AI enterprises will be an unstoppable steamroller and juggernaut, with abundant casualties, because the capabilities exist and money will rule and fuel and fuel and fuel the advance.
	10:15am Dan from PEI.: Whos cool like that? You are.
	10:15am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 I find this silly, but I'm sure you have your reasons. For me this is progress that you can say NO, like to the Internet, rail, science. It's not going to make any difference.
	10:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:13 I'll try to keep cool but this topic gets me steamed up. For decades programmers shared code as part of the "open-source" movement so we could all build on each other's work and learn from each other, not realizing that the open source repos would become training fodder for the AIs that threaten to replace us. Unintended consequences strike again.
	10:16am Fredericks: ↳ Song: "thembi" by "Pharoah Sanders" Playing some of my favorites.
	♥ 10:16am mndave: ↳ still b/p @10:14 I hear that outifts like openAI are hemorrhaging billions of dollars. Consumers flat-out don't want it and few use it. That investment will blow up real quick (that's my hope)
	♥ 10:17am Mxter Baba: ↳ Song: "thembi" by "Pharoah Sanders" whenever I see that I have already clicky starred a track, I like to find out how long ago and on what program that was—this one was 2022 Irene Trudel :-)
	10:17am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:12 what about deep seek? i thought the environmental impact was significantly lower than the AI developed in the states. to me that signaled it's more of a money grab here, curious to hear your thoughts
	10:18am Dan from PEI.: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:15 Home computers were arguably better before the internet took over...so much squandedred potential with big tech. Too much greed.
	10:18am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:15 That's a pretty defeatist attitude. I have to think that I can make a small difference. The Gov't should be regulating this stuff, we don't just have to accept any "progress" that comes along, without any kind of regulations or controls on it. We got airplanes, but we also got the FAA. We got TV/radio but we got the FCC. Nowadays people think regulations are bad, but I think they are incredibly important. The crazy push toward deregulation that started under Reagan caused a lot of problems.
	10:18am Fredericks: ↳ unpopularfred @10:12 Thank you for that explanation. I seem to recall National Lampoon using her as the butt of a joke.
	10:19am Charles in Chicago: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @10:17 Deep Seek is definitely an interesting development but I don't know enough about it to say anything really insightful. I agree with Dan from PEI about greed. Greed and absence of regulations are the heart of the problem.
	♥ 10:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:18 great points charles...
	10:20am Charles in Chicago: My blood pressure is way up just thinking about this, so I need to take some deep breaths and listen to Pharoah and regain my composure.
	10:20am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:18 I did not say regulations are not required, just commented on 'saying NO', which I assumed, maybe wrongly, meant that AI should be banned all together.
	♥ 10:21am Trouble: this is the garden that graced the front cover of my fundraising premium from last year www.themontclairgirl.com...
	10:21am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:20 The copyright infringements should be stopped completely, which would shut down a lot of it
	10:22am βrian: Oumou!!
	10:22am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:20 haha okay topic change! deep breath!
	10:22am Philip: beautiful transition
	♥ 10:22am disco_nap_: ↳ Trouble @10:21 Thank you!
	10:22am Aunt Sushi: ↳ Song: "woula bara diagna" by "Oumou Sangare" "Moussolou" is such a 12 out 10 album, thank you so much for putting this on today, Trouble!!
	10:23am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Aunt Sushi @10:22 yeah this is beautiful!
	♥ 10:24am Mxter Baba: ↳ Philip @10:22 yes, indeed—I always enjoy Trouble’s playlists, however today the program is transcendental
	10:24am Mike in Montreal: It was A.I. that produced that great video of Elon's feet being worshipped by the weird guy
	♥ 10:24am tom tom the pipers son: somewhat tied to a.i. and 'progress' is that way the populace is hooked on to there cell phone screens, a lot of it is a.i. driven repetitive and a form of hypnotic capitalism
	♥ 10:24am Mxter Baba: the only tracks I haven’t clicky starred were the ones I missed hearing
	10:26am Matty Cannabis: Wow Trouble, I love it that you play Oumou Sangare!! One of the most amazing shows I've ever seen was Oumou at SOBs, it was a religious experience. And she is an outspoken advocate for women in Mali, truly an amazing artist
	10:26am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 "Hypnotic capitalism", I like that, will add that phrase to my vocabulary. Honestly I don't really want to live in this world any more, but I don't want to die either. Somebody take me to a better planet please!!
	10:26am βrian: Good lord, I wonder if they're harvesting clicky-stars, too!
	♥ 10:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 their.... i could have used an effing a.i. autocorrect there for shits sake
	10:26am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:21 I don't get that argument, how that does differ from people getting 'inspired' from other people work? Basically entire education is based on reusing what other people created and then transforming it into something else.
	♥ 10:26am Zip7: Reading an interesting book right now: Morgan Falconer, "How to Be Avant-Garde: Modern Artists and the Quest to End Art." It's a good overview of the 20th century "isms" from Futurism to Situationism and everything in between.
	♥ 10:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ marks @10:26 you are confusing A.I. with personhood
	♥ 10:27am Mxter Baba: AI would put Negativland out of business
	10:28am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:24 i agree, hypnotic capitalism is a great phrase. spooky. "they" want our attention
	10:28am marks: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:26 Elon's your man. lol
	10:28am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:26 Unlike AI, human inspiration is not owned and controlled by billionaires and huge corporations. But I really don't have the energy to argue with you about this right now.
	10:28am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Mike in Montreal @10:24 i agree it's not all bad
	♥ 10:28am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:27 which is what big tech want you to do
	10:28am Fredericks: ↳ βrian @10:04 I had an albino pet rat. His name was Edgar Winter.
	10:28am Charles in Chicago: ↳ marks @10:28 Living on Elon's Mars sounds like hell to me. I want Sun Ra to take me to Saturn.
	10:30am Fredericks: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @9:37 True enough. I know I have fallen for it a few times.
	10:31am marks: Only one of those destinations seem somewhat realistic. I'm messing, love Sun Ra too. Have a great day!
	♥ 10:31am WoodsOfMaine: How is AI different from a human inspired by past creations. Simple. A human creates something evaluates it subjectively and keeps going. AI does ZERO subjective evaluation. It's just messing around with data. And it's doing it with great environmental cost.
	10:32am marks: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:31 yea, for now, it's only beginning.
	♥ 10:32am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Fredericks @10:30 I've read a ton of stuff from critics of that era and really enjoy it...but sometimes they just get needlessly nasty about things.
	10:33am josquin depressed: ↳ Song: "new trac" by "Francis Bebey" does this guy want bananas or not
	♥ 10:33am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:26 Have you read David Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus (which is a star, I know)? That's almost like visiting another planet all on its own!
	♥ 10:33am WoodsOfMaine: Don't worry, art will be banned soon and we won't have to worry about how it's created.
	10:33am Aunt Sushi: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:31 I agree, and I also think it's more about autonomy and decisions. Even though you might be inspired by another person's work, you're still making small, even subconscious decisions to alter your source material based on a life you've lived and the interests you've collected. That's what makes your work interesting. AI is not making decisions based on personal experience. It's randomizing small elements from others' work without changing them
	10:34am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:33 Have not, I should check it out. I like early 20th C sci-fi ("speculative fiction") like Olaf Stapledon. I'll add this to my list.
	♥ 10:34am Dan 2: ↳ Zip7 @10:26 Hey, I loved this book! So informative and so many oddball characters. Pasting my favorite weirdo below because I have the PDF: For Marinetti, anger was a fuel, it was an energy: he once described it as “the caffeine of Europe.”21 And all his violent talk wasn’t merely a performance: Marinetti was an avant-gardist who made that military metaphor seem very appropriate. He loved war. His first taste of it came when he worked as a correspondent reporting conflict in Libya and the Balkans. He departed for the adventure saying that he hoped “to shoot some Turks,” and returned claiming to have killed three. He started a fight with a journalist who revealed the dreadful treatment that the Italian army meted out to Arab rebels. And he composed poems evoking the clamor of the battlefield. Then he volunteered to fight in the First World War (he would be arrested along with Mussolini during pro-war demonstrations in Rome); then he volunteered to fight in the Abyssinian War; then he volunteered for the Second World War and served on the Eastern Front at the age of sixty-five. Somehow, a little while later, he died of natural causes.
	10:35am Charles in Chicago: ↳ josquin depressed @10:33 More freedom!
	10:35am peter in SEA: Bravo, @aunt sushi
	♥ 10:35am Zip7: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:32 Christgau always reminded me of the smartest guy in class --who has to remind you of it constantly.
	♥ 10:36am WoodsOfMaine: Hot news on the coast: I changed the blade in my razor today.
	10:36am Mike in Montreal: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:33 Things are going to change, certainly. We're not going to preserve the old way of doing things
	10:36am rich the greeb: This Bebe trac is a jammer!!
	10:36am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:34 Co-author of the "Fascist Manifesto"
	10:36am tak: futurists were whack.
	♥ 10:36am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Zip7 @10:35 Perfect!
	10:36am peter in SEA: Bonjour @Trouble and Thursday people. Resist and Create!
	10:36am rich the greeb: *Bebey
	♥ 10:37am tom tom the pipers son: there is a economic/political basis for cell phone hypnotism which is to be in line with "progress", big tech and the 'winners' in society... it's the zero /sum game epitomized... the endgame of capitalism...and why people will run you down on the city street while engazed on their cell phones... they are an employee of big tech
	10:37am Philip: i need banana, some water, to dance on a new track
	♥ 10:37am maurer: good morning DJ Trouble! greetings from LA! thanks for the great early morning music !!!
	♥ 10:37am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "new trac" by "Francis Bebey" Dang, I love the melodic percussion in this.
	♥ 10:38am captain beef fart: I'll give you some bananas, potatoes, and yams at the same time
	10:38am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:37 this whole album is fantastic, if you've never heard it. Also another Bebey comp "Psychedelic Sanza" is equally good.
	♥ 10:38am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:36 Yes, when I say I love the weirdo, I meant I love how much I'm appalled by him
	10:39am fatamorgana: yes miss eryKah miss BaDu, thank you trouble bows in reverence
	10:39am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:38 Definitely an interesting character.
	♥ 10:39am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:34 One of those acid trip, brain expanders of a book. Like Moravagine.
	♥ 10:39am Zip7: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:34 Stapledon's "Star Maker" and "Last and First Men" are truly mind-blowing. Also recently revisited Stanley Weinbaum's great short story "A Martian Odyssey"
	♥ 10:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 love moravagine
	♥ 10:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:39 lice a good book too...
	10:40am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 Another one added to my list!
	♥ 10:40am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:38 Interesting. The comp is on Bandcamp with zero tracks on it.
	10:41am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:38 I feel the same way about Ezra Pound
	♥ 10:41am Ike: Sounding good!
	10:42am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:40 You could always buy the LP :-)
	10:42am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: Miss Eryka Badu!!!
	♥ 10:42am tom tom the pipers son: i want to coin a word... "engazed"
	♥ 10:43am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:41 Wow, I had no idea about his politics. The first paragraph of this article sums it up pretty well: www.thenation.com...
	♥ 10:44am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:42 All the physical media is sold out. Weird. Reminds me of the album (Cinnamint or something) that had the digital album but for $1200. Why?
	10:44am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dan 2 @10:43 Yup. And I actually like some of his poetry (not the part with the anti-Semitic rants). But it's pretty hard to be a fan of the guy.
	♥ 10:45am Peter in SEA: Bravo on the playlist art this morning, @Trouble!
	♥ 10:45am Zip7: Here's a good overview of books on the dalliance of intellectuals with fascism: shepherd.com...
	♥ 10:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Peter in SEA @10:45 Un-turn-away-from-able!
	♥ 10:46am Trouble: lyrics from go up moses : 'Boss man hears the people's song Coats his lies and rearranges': spot on!! and beautifully put
	♥ 10:46am Trouble: full lyrics;genius.com...
	♥ 10:47am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Trouble @10:46 "Boss man hears the people's song Coats his lies and rearranges"....no kidding
	10:48am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:44 A few copies on Discogs at a fairly reasonable price www.discogs.com... www.discogs.com...
	10:48am TDK60: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:44 Hi Charles. I don't know Pound's poetry. But poet Allen Ginsberg said Pound was a great poet but not the politics. I think I read that Pound in later life said he'd been stupid for saying anti-semitic things. [?]
	10:48am still b/p: re war and violence junkies: I heard a former military man giving a talk about possibilities for peace in the world. Such speaking and advocating had become his work and mission. He spoke of the percentages of soldiers who suffered severe PTSD, and a less severe degree, and a percentage who had mild cases. The remaining percentage who suffered no traumatic effects or difficulties whatsoever...those, he said, were the psychotics.
	10:49am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @tom tom the pipers son fitting song lyrics rn for what you're talking about! 🎶
	10:49am tak: springtime is (almost) here
	♥ 10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ red_door_what_for in ypsilanti @10:49 👍🏻
	♥ 10:50am Trouble: bonjour @ peter in SEA! merci
	♥ 10:50am Zip7: ↳ Zip7 @10:45 Wolin was probaby too modest to list himself, but his "The Seduction of Unreason" is excellent -- probably the best place to start
	♥ 10:51am Krull Sagan: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:39 Thanks for these recommendations, H^2, they look amazing! Relevant for me now too, working through a stack of Stanislaw Lem books I inherited- Return From The Stars right now
	♥ 10:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tak @10:49 there will be some "speed bumps" along the way...sunday... 35 degrees
	♥ 10:51am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:48 As I recall, the Allied authorities stuck him in a mental hospital rather than have the embarrassment of prosecuting one of English's best-known poets as a war criminal.
	♥ 10:52am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "go up moses" by "Roberta Flack" Always the best...
	♥ 10:52am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:48 Thanks!
	♥ 10:52am Handy Haversack: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Oooo, nice!
	♥ 10:54am prof.fuzz: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:51 pound should have been prosecuted for his "translations" of chinese poetry. not only did he not actually read chinese, but held the mistaken view that all 50,000 or so chinese characters were pictographic, and so he "translated" the "pictures" resulting in some interesting poems that had nothing to do with the originals he was "translating."
	10:55am Toothgrinder Tom: @Handy St Elizabeth’s in Washington DC. I never heard of him expressing any remorse for betraying his country or of being anti-Jewish, anti-black, etc.
	10:55am Mike in Montreal: 10:55, time for a sip of yesterday's coffee.
	♥ 10:56am jmr3: ↳ Song: "angels and demons at play" by "Sun Ra Arkestra" I guess this is Tara Middleton, but an entry point for Sun Ra for me was that June Tyson reminded me a little of my father listening to all those Roberta Flack records
	♥ 10:57am StringOFperils: Goodest morninge
	10:58am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @Mike in Montreal same here, cheers ! ☕☕
	10:58am still b/p: ↳ prof.fuzz @10:54 I recall, decades ago, columnist James Kilpatrick saying Pound had "salted" his pieces with the characters, and something like "God and Pound alone knew what they meant."
	10:59am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: loved these lyrics ty for highlighting!
	10:59am Otto: Absolutely fuckin A right! Stop giving these people your money
	10:59am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @10:54 Agreed. But they are interesting poems. I've always like this one "Hep-Cat Chung" www.poetrynook.com...
	♥ 11:01am Trouble: genius.com...
	11:01am Mike in Montreal: too far away to attend :(
	♥ 11:01am WoodsOfMaine: John Lurie was on this show?! Is it in the archives? I couldn't find it.
	♥ 11:01am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:59 i teach this poem (the original in a real translation) almost every year. it's great, and reveals a lot about early Zhou era society and social practice.
	11:01am Meesalikeu: chryssie hynde
	11:01am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Lem is an old favorite of mine. There's some good discussion of his work here www.metafilter.com... "crazy_yeti" is me :-) Be sure to check out the Lethem link I posted there.
	♥ 11:01am jmr3: This is the Modern World (Distance) Librarians Unite!
	11:02am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:01 Can you point me to a real translation?
	11:02am Mike in Montreal: Trouble, please put your Oscar Wilde quote on a t-shirt
	11:02am Meesalikeu: never challenge a clevelander on our homies troubs ;)
	♥ 11:02am prof.fuzz: ↳ still b/p @10:58 that's a very polite way of saying "pound made shit up," which is my reply when students ask about his "translation."
	11:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yes yes yes yes
	♥ 11:03am Trouble: @Mike in montreal ooooooo... une bonne idee!
	♥ 11:04am Krull Sagan: Oh no...is the John Lurie guest DJ set too early in the archives to listen to???
	11:05am inês: I would also like to know when Lurie was on the show.. @WoodsOfMaine I can’t find too :/
	♥ 11:05am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:02 here's one by james legge: ctext.org...
	11:05am katharsis: oooo self portraiture is my wheelhouse
	11:05am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: yesssss absolutely locked into this conversation thank you ✨
	11:05am Fredericks: ↳ still b/p @10:58 Wasn't James Kilpatrick a far-right Reagan supporter?
	11:07am TDK60: The need for reenchantment? Writer, activist Silvia Federici has written on such.
	11:07am inês: wait was this one? https://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/46445
	♥ 11:07am prof.fuzz: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 Legge's rendering of "Zhongzi" as "Mr. Zhong" is wrong. Zhong is a counting number, indicating the person's position as second in birth order. Zi means son, here. So, Zhongzi should be rendered as "Second Son." This reflects the naming practices of peasants in the early Zhou, and this poem's origins as a peasant folksong, courtship song.
	♥ 11:08am mariano: Everything has been more popular than the Anglican/Episcopal church in the US, lol. No disrespect to the author, it's just always been such a small denomination.
	♥ 11:09am mariano: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:52 SUBDIVISIONS
	11:09am still b/p: ↳ Fredericks @11:05 Far is the word. And fossilized.
	♥ 11:09am Handy Haversack: ↳ mariano @11:09 SUBDIVISIONS
	♥ 11:09am Trouble: @ mariano: The author is talking about anglicanism in the UK, not the US
	11:10am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): i so wish i was at that guggenheim show of af klint
	♥ 11:10am tom tom the pipers son: i feel the speakers are leaving out russian spiritualism of the time, madame blavatsky et al
	♥ 11:10am mariano: ↳ Trouble @11:09 Ah, thanks. That'll teach me to listen while working.
	♥ 11:10am Peter in SEA: Thank you for this @Trouble!
	♥ 11:11am Handy Haversack: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @10:55 I don't recall hearing anything like that either.
	♥ 11:11am prof.fuzz: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 that link had the simplified characters. here it is with the traditional forms (same Legge translation): ctext.org...
	♥ 11:11am Trouble: @ tom tom: madame blavatsky has a giant chapter in this book, we haven't got that far yet...
	11:11am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:10 she teaches about madame blavatsky. the first lecture in the course i took led by higgie was about 90 minutes of running through mystic female artists around the world. it's a huge topic!
	♥ 11:12am Peter in SEA: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @11:10 Word!
	♥ 11:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @11:11 👍🏻
	11:12am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:05 Thanks a lot for that, it's very interesting to compare this to Pound's translation! I can see where this is far more literal, but I don't think it's completely fair to say Pound's rendition has "nothing to do with the original", at least in this case - the elements are there, willow trees, garden wall, mulberry trees, parents, etc. And I dare say Pound's translation is more "fun". ("Hep-Cat" cracks me up, and I like the rhyme scheme, and the refrain of "It's awful".). Note I'm not trying to argue with you here, you clearly know what you are talking about and I really value your highly informed comments & opinions. Thanks.
	♥ 11:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) @11:11 gotcha.... meant to say 'yet'
	♥ 11:13am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 some of pound's "translations" are closer to the originals than others. that is the case with 'hep-cat'. i view his results as "interpretations" rather than "translations."
	11:14am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 word.it's cool you wanted to hear her get some air time
	11:14am katharsis: i was invited to do a spiritualist automatic drawing "performance" and readings at a victorian fair so studied up on all this
	11:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Krull Sagan @10:51 Direct link: Jonathan Lethem's "My Year of Reading Lemmishly" www.lrb.co.uk... if you're interested in Lem
	♥ 11:15am Dan 2: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 Seconding that it's fascinating to compare! Also, I think "Second Son" would sound better than "Mr. Zhong" anyway. But maybe I just like that it reminds me of Highway 61: Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night Told the first father that things weren’t right My complexion she said is much too white He said come here and step into the light he says hmm you’re right Let me tell the second mother this has been done But the second mother was with the seventh son And they were both out on Highway 61
	11:16am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:13 Thanks for the lesson, Prof. Fuzz!
	♥ 11:16am Peter in SEA: ↳ katharsis @11:14 Wow! And did you…?
	♥ 11:16am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 i wish i had a transcript of my usual discussion of this poem in my class. it puts the piece in historical and social context, clarifying both the history and poem, and makes it even more fun when you realize what's going on in the poem: a guy sneaking into his girlfriend's house to hook up.
	♥ 11:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:12 The annoying thing is that Pound had to come up with a whole laborious, pretentious theory of translation to justify his just riffing and bopping. It all would have been a lot more tolerable if he were just capable of admitting that it's fun to play with language, even if you're just copying and pasting from others.
	♥ 11:17am prof.fuzz: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:17 THIS!
	11:17am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:16 I'd love to sit in on your class!
	♥ 11:18am tom tom the pipers son: there was a thread of spiritualism in early bauhaus... johannes itten
	♥ 11:19am prof.fuzz: ↳ Dan 2 @11:15 this is exactly what the Zhongzi poem is. a folk song with repeating elements and systematic variation (changes in location, trees). sometimes i sing this in class as "second son, second son, don't you climb my wall..." and the students see these old poems in the same vein as folk songs and blues.
	11:19am still b/p: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:17 Personal language Lego biz: Was just looking a minute ago -- not deeply, just Wiki -- at info about the lingua ignota of Hildegard of Bingen.
	♥ 11:20am Dan 2: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:19 AH! That's awesome. You can always bring Bob into things...
	11:20am Fredericks: www.openculture.com...
	11:20am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:16 Is the song sung from the perspective of the girlfriend?
	♥ 11:20am Dan 2: Re: Janet Sobel, here's a quote from her on the MOMA site: “I don’t think ever I would paint a picture without music to listen to. All humans must have something like that, that warms them inside.”
	11:20am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): yes!!! ithel!!!
	11:21am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): sigh i wish i could go
	♥ 11:22am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "interview with jennifer higgie" Gotta add this to my list. Just recently finished The Story of Art Without Men. Pretty good.
	11:24am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): this interview is making me short circuit cuz i'm so into it
	11:25am TDK60: That's a fun museum down in St. Ives. You can take a rest in the lobby and watch people surfing outside on the beach.
	11:25am eva: Love this! Just saw a wonderful exhibition at Rose Art Museum- “Leonora Carrington: Dream Weaver”.
	♥ 11:26am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ inês @11:07 Yep!
	11:26am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: finding my personal spiritual path saved my life!✨☯️ with the talk of legge and mulberry tree poetry, a quote from the i ching comes to mind: "The (ruler/wise man) in his correct central place brings the distress and obstruction to a close. Yet he, as ruler, is warned to maintain his caution in two lines of rhyme: "And let him say, `I die! I die!' -- So to a bushy clump his fortune he shall tie."
	♥ 11:26am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:09 a. always funny b. I listened to that yesterday
	♥ 11:28am Kat in the chat: Ooh I want to read this book
	♥ 11:28am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ eva @11:25 Where is Rose Art Museum? I have just discovered Leonora Carrington
	♥ 11:28am Kat in the chat: I stopped working to listen to this conversation
	11:28am spodiodi: Greetings, Trouble and all
	11:29am Meesalikeu: thx for a head’s up by mentioning lenore tawney aka queen of fiber arts to her — that chapter has my interest
	11:30am βrian: Bedlam is about what? Missed it.
	11:30am red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: @bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢) right!! I'm checking out that book!
	♥ 11:31am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:20 yes. the speaker is the young woman.
	11:31am ?: I don't get art
	11:31am Meesalikeu: very nicely done interview — what an interesting topic
	11:31am TDK60: ↳ Sera from Rockaway @11:28 Hi Sera. That museum is in Waltham, Massachusetts. Carrington also wrote. Her book The Hearing Trumpet is fine.
	♥ 11:32am Trouble: rose museum in on the brandeis campus, just outside of boston
	11:32am eva: Rose Art Museum is at Brandeis U.. in Waltham MA outside Boston. https://www.brandeis.edu/rose/exhibitions/2025/leonora-carrington.html
	11:32am Otto: That was a great conversation thank you 🙏 Trouble
	♥ 11:32am Webhamster Henry: Thanks for the interview!
	♥ 11:33am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ eva @11:32 Thank you Eva and Trouble!
	11:33am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): Thank you Trouble, way to snag such an amazing historian for an interview. My heart grows 3 sizes when I hear women in conversation about other women artists. especially mystical ones. augh. it's just so good.
	11:33am Charles in Chicago: ↳ prof.fuzz @11:31 Thanks Prof, you greatly added to my understanding and appreciation of this poem.
	11:33am Meesalikeu: juuusssst outside of boston hiiigh as i’ve ever beeen … :)
	♥ 11:33am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ TDK60 @11:31 Will look up the book! Thank you TDK 60
	11:33am Charles in Chicago: And thanks Trouble and Jennifer Higgie for that great interview!
	♥ 11:34am prof.fuzz: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:33 you're welcome. that's what i get paid the big bucks for.
	♥ 11:35am Peter in SEA: Book on hold at SPL! Merci, Trouble and Jennifer! Ithell C.’s work is wild & wonderful!
	♥ 11:35am Trouble: if you love leonora carrington you should check out her tarot deck. there is a large oversized book with fab images. www.artandobject.com...
	♥ 11:36am chresti: ↳ Song: "row land" by "Roland P Young" Love!
	11:37am βrian: ↳ βrian @11:30 "Bedlam" subject?
	11:37am Meesalikeu: i see there is a similar book to higge’s called art of the occult by s. alexander that also looks great
	11:38am katharsis: @peter yes! it was great fun. i had people do their own drawings and then we talked about them. i am not a medium. spiritualism and the related arts movements also fed the development of modern phycology. all of interest to me.
	11:39am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @11:35 Would love to travel to San Luis Potosí in Mexico and see the Carrington museum - one of these days!
	♥ 11:39am Handy Haversack: Lovely talk, Trouble! Thanks for that!
	♥ 11:40am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:31 Was going to mention The Hearing Trumpet as another just brain-meltingly wildly good book.
	11:41am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:39 I saw some of her work at the National Museum of Mexican Art in Chicago, and was enchanted by it.
	11:43am northguineahills: hola trouble and modern worlders!
	♥ 11:43am Peter in SEA: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:41 And you’ve read her books “Down Below” and “The Hearing Trumpet”? Both reissued by NYRB. :-) I recommend!
	11:43am Mike in Montreal: ↳ Song: "starlight and you" by "Lonnie Liston Smith" smooooth transition
	♥ 11:44am Sera from Rockaway: ↳ βrian @11:37 Bedlam is a fictionalized account of a Victorian painter in a mental hospital in London after murdering his father. It's a novel by Jennifer Higgie. She said it would be rereleased
	♥ 11:44am Peter in SEA: ↳ katharsis @11:38 👏❤️
	11:45am James: this track is perfect and really loved the interview earlier!
	♥ 11:46am Trouble: glad you enjoyed it @ james!
	11:46am Meesalikeu: i see a pak of the carrington tarot cards are $150 & up — i wish they would reprint them.
	11:47am still b/p: At least a moment’s antidote to current and distressing crapstorms. A wonderful Maine headline worth a share and smile: “Drag queens help break barriers at state ice fishing event.” Ya want a picture? w2pcms.com... “I mean, we’re talking a sensible go-go boot,” Ophelia Johnson said. “Those are all-terrain heels, you can do a lot in those.” They not only posed, they mingled around a campfire on the lake ice, they helped people with event info (500 people attended), they gave a cooking demo. Outreach director for our state Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife: “The event that we hold each year is designed to try to create an environment for people who maybe traditionally haven’t felt comfortable — for a variety of reasons, different barriers — spending time outdoors in the winter months.” There are plenty in Maine and elsewhere who’ll have fits and ulcers over this apparent public colliding of worlds, but I say again it’s wonderful, and great that it’s just days ago, in the midst of such widespread fears, retreats and choices to submit.
	11:50am northguineahills: got 5"s of snow so far, was barely supposed to get 1". i wonder if the cuts at the nws and noaa, has us caught unprepared in vt.
	♥ 11:50am common: ↳ still b/p @11:47 thank you for that!
	11:50am eva: Thanks for the fabulous interview! Just what I needed! Peace everyone!
	11:51am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Peter in SEA @11:43 My reading list keeps growing!
	11:52am northguineahills: i attended an onlinevt town hall w/ both sentars (bernie and peter) and the rep (self-described "feisty dyke",, becca balint. to summorize, there are still politicians putting the common people in their interests to fight the good fight, but there are a ways to go.
	11:53am northguineahills: oh, and always, thanks, trouble!
	11:53am eric from lake hiawatha: Brilliant show. Surrounding Nina with stellar artists. All thrive. Thanks
	♥ 11:54am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today. see you next week with my co-host marty mcsorley!
	11:54am Andres: Off to vote this afternoon in the provincial election. Thanks for the fab pre-polls music, Trouble.
	♥ 11:55am Zip7: You really outdid yourself today, Trouble! Thanks for the wonderful music and locus for community -- I always learn a lot
	♥ 11:56am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Good luck, Canadian voters. Don't make the same mistake we did down here!
	♥ 11:56am Peter in SEA: Current admin = second class fools!
	11:56am Tara: holy moly the show today thank you Trouble !
	11:56am Mike in Montreal: lovely stuff Trouble, looking forward to next week, and the whole fundraiser bash
	♥ 11:56am listener james from westwood: Kind thanks, Trouble, and grats for the smashing Black History Month selections all through February!
	♥ 11:57am Handy Haversack: Thanks, Trouble. Another humdinger, I gotta say. Looking forward to the party next week!
	♥ 11:57am three-hour brunch friend: ↳ Song: "the backlash blues" by "nina simone" this groove! amazing. thanks for an incredible show Trouble.
	♥ 11:57am kirk from beer city usa: wow, this nina simone song!
	11:57am Philip: such a fantastic show. thx
	♥ 11:57am sleepy: Thank you Trouble! Great show!
	♥ 11:58am spodiodi: Thanks, Trouble!
	♥ 11:58am Sera from Rockaway: Thank you Trouble!
	11:58am Philip: ohhhhhhh man HENDRIX!!!!!!
	11:58am Charles in Chicago: Another great show, Thanks Trouble!
	♥ 11:58am regina j: Thank you so much, Trouble. What a fantastic, inspiring set.
	♥ 11:58am James in ATL: Great show! Thank you so much.
	♥ 11:59am Kat in the chat: Thank you, Trouble!
	11:59am βrian: ↳ Sera from Rockaway @11:44 Muchas, Sera.
	12:00pm Meesalikeu: super show
	12:25pm Stephanie: Had to join late, but very glad I heard the last few songs, will have to check the archives for the full interview and possibly pick up the book!

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 27, 2025

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