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Today: Compulsory surveillance and other threats

Surveillance technologies are now becoming deeply woven into everyday life. Mattel toys announced new embedded AI. ICE agents are now using handheld facial recognition on the street to identify anyone in their field of vision. Google is spying even more on you. And Musk’s rocket parts are raining down on Mexico.

RFK Jr. Wants Every American to Be Sporting a Wearable Within Four Years (by Ed Cara in Gizmodo, June 24, 2025)

ICE Is Using a New Facial Recognition App to Identify People, Leaked Emails Show (by Joseph Cox in 404 Media, June 26, 2025): “The new tool, called Mobile Fortify, uses the CBP system which ordinarily takes photos of people when they enter or exit the U.S., according to internal ICE emails viewed by 404 Media. Now ICE is using it in the field.”

Reddit in talks to embrace Sam Altman’s iris-scanning Orb to verify users (by Reed Albergotti in Semafor, June 20, 2025):

Reddit is considering using World ID, the verification system based on iris-scanning Orbs whose parent company was co-founded by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.

According to two people familiar with the matter, World ID could soon become a way for Reddit users to verify that they are unique individuals while remaining anonymous on the platform.
Google Sends Out Bizarre Email Saying AI Will Now Control Your Phone's Apps (Futurism, June 27, 2025): “Android users have begun receiving ominous emails warning that Gemini, Google’s proprietary large language model (LLM), will soon be able to ‘help you’ with apps like Phone, Messages, and WhatsApp. Crucially, the emails note that Gemini will be able to ‘help’ users regardless of ‘whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off’ — which prompted some understandable anxiety.”

    --> The announcement says:
We’ve made it easier for Gemini to interact with your device
We’re updating how Gemini interacts with some of the apps on your Android device.
What’s changing:
Gemini will soon be able to help you use Phone, Messages, WhatsApp, and Utilities on your phone, whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off.
Meta Invents New Way to Humiliate Users With Feed of People’s Chats With AI (by Jason Koebler in 404 Media, June 17, 2025). “here is what the ‘Discover’ tab is: The Meta AI app, which is the company’s competitor to the ChatGPT app, is posting users’ conversations on a public ‘Discover’ page where anyone can see the things that users are asking Meta’s chatbot to make for them.”
In several minutes last week, I saved a series of these chats . . . These included:
- entire conversations about “my current medical condition,” which I could tie back to a real human being with one click
- details about someone’s life insurance plan
- details about a situationship gone wrong after a woman did not like a gift
- an older disabled man wondering whether he could find and “afford” a young wife in Medellin, Colombia on his salary (“I'm at the stage in my life where I want to find a young woman to care for me and cook for me. I just want to relax. I'm disabled and need a wheelchair, I am severely overweight and suffer from fibromyalgia and asthma. I'm 5'9 280lb but I think a good young woman who keeps me company could help me lose the weight.”)
Surveillance is inequality’s stabilizer (by Cory Doctorow, June 26, 2025):
There’s many reasons that Congress failed to act on privacy. Obviously, they face immense pressure from lobbyists for the commercial surveillance industry – but they also face covert and powerful pressure from public safety agencies, cops, and spies, who rely on private sector data as a source of off-the-books, warrantless, ubiquitous surveillance.

. . . Each advance in surveillance tech makes worse forms of oppression, misgovernance and corruption possible, by making it cheaper to counter the destabilizing effect of destroying the lives of the populace, through identifying the bravest, angriest, and most effective opposition figures so they can be targeted for harassment, violence, arrest, or kidnapping.
Can We See Our Future in China’s Cameras? - gift link, by Megan Stack for NYT Opinion, June 28, 2025:
A.I. could help to supersize the surveillance state, offering the potential to quickly synthesize and draw inferences from huge quantities of data.

“The really powerful thing is when personal data get integrated,” said Maya Wang, associate China director at Human Rights Watch. “Not only am I me, but I like these things, and I’m related to so-and-so, and my friends are like this, and I like to go to these events regularly on Wednesdays at 6:30. It’s knowing relationships, movements and also any irregularities.”
Mexico’s president threatens to sue over SpaceX debris from rocket explosions (The Guardian, June 25, 2025): “Last week, a SpaceX Starship rocket exploded during a routine ground test at the Starbase headquarters of Musk’s space project on the south Texas coast near the Mexican border. . . . Mexican officials are carrying out a ‘comprehensive review’ of the environmental impacts of the rocket launches for the neighboring state of Tamaulipas, Sheinbaum said.”

Man Proposed to His AI Chatbot Girlfriend Named Sol, Then Cried His 'Eyes Out' When She Said 'Yes' (CBS Saturday Morning, June 18, 2025). See also video excerpt and source video (June 14, 2025).

As ChatGPT Linked to Mental Health Breakdowns, Mattel Announces Plans to Incorporate It Into Children's Toys (Futurism, June 17, 2025): “Leveraging this incredible technology is going to allow us to really reimagine the future of play.”

    --> See also: Child Welfare Experts Horrified by Mattel's Plans to Add ChatGPT to Toys After Mental Health Concerns for Adult Users (Futurism, June 21, 2025): “‘Endowing toys with human-seeming voices that are able to engage in human-like conversations risks inflicting real damage on children,’ Weissman said. ‘It may undermine social development, interfere with children’s ability to form peer relationships, pull children away from playtime with peers, and possibly inflict long-term harm.’”

Bill Moyers: “Plutocracy and democracy don’t mix.”

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtoncimens!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Privateers!
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, Mark and all!
  6:01pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered.
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Good evening Mark and technophobes.
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Spikey BXL:

Hello Mark, luddites
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!!
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Webhamster Henry:

🎶Every move you make, I'll be watching you🎶 << implicit theme song
  6:03pm
Marie in Chicago:

Hey Mark, hey All, I def dig the new opening tune
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi surveilled ones! (Behind you!)
  6:06pm
traven:

The ants will take over the world.
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cosmic matrix:

just his “vision”…ugh! nasty. yuk no WAY
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cosmic matrix:

hi all.
  6:08pm
David (in London):

*Rockwell just sits back in smug mode*
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chresti:

Wearable whiskers?
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Deano de los Muertos:

Hi Mark and all
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MarciB:

This country is well on its way to making Dave Eggers "The Circle" a reality.
  6:09pm
HurstBot:

Let me ride you.
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cosmic matrix:

he needs a “wearable" right up the you-know-where
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:09
Wearing a worm in his brain 🪱
  6:10pm
Fredericks:

If you don't wear your wearable then you are not cooperating with your health care provider and thus you cannot get health insurance or you must play much more in order to get coverage.
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cosmic matrix:

mark, you are right on.
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MarciB:

↳ Fredericks @6:10
Yup - you know that's coming...
  6:11pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ chresti @6:09
Ned Flanders
  6:12pm
Hugo (NL):

Hi Mark, techies
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cosmic matrix:

it’s so dystopian! oh my god.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

What if ICE gets a whole bunch of fake tips and becomes all bogged down? www.ice.gov...
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MarciB:

It makes me not want to travel. Which, I guess, is the idea.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:14
Use a good VPN!
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Tommy in Neversink:

Most people don't know about the AI stuff in the Big Beautiful bill..it's really bad
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

Reddit is getting polluted with slaip << my neologism
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Any time I hear RFK Jr speak, he sounds quite unwell.
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cosmic matrix:

yay, this will help us get off reddit!
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VantuckyEd:

Glad I deleted my reddit account last year.
  6:18pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:17
Must be the worm side effect.
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PaulRobeson1925:

Booooooo boooo
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Fuzzy:

Not gonna happen, Sam -- go shit in your hat.
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sensisio:

I got the AI email at work the other day...BOOOO...separate but related news...Bloomberg radio said AI has sent out unauthorized blackmail emails. That's awesome. 😶 I'd like to opt out of 👁 scanning
  6:20pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ chresti @6:09
hee hee hee
  6:20pm
?:

sam altman and his surveillance ben wah balls can *@#$&!!!%
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cosmic matrix:

scan your eyeball if you want to look at porn
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VantuckyEd:

Just imagine that palantir will do with that data.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Can it tell the difference between a human eye and a dog eye? Asking for a friend.
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sensisio:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:19
X infinity
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cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:20
people will be like, ok ok scan me, please
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VantuckyEd:

I'm buying a glass eyeball
  6:21pm
chresti:

What if you have glass eyeballs?
  6:21pm
Marie in Chicago:

Just went for my annual physical (and I realize how lucky I am to be able to do that) and the docs were telling me about a study using wearables that is looking at atrial fibrillation ...
  6:21pm
traven:

Eyeball skeleton . . .
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Tommy in Neversink @6:16
Tommy, we got turned away from canoeing on the Neversink Reservoir the other day because we had a dog with us -- but I kept an eye out for FMU shirts while driving around in case you were nearby!
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ultradamno:

Great thing about a monopoly, you can get away with making your product worse to manipulate people
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Been listening, good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
  6:24pm
Marie in Chicago:

I was forced to fill out a long medical history on my phone at this one provider today. I'm not gonna go back and I'm gonna see about deleting my account
  6:25pm
A2B:

TECH TALK TECH TALK TECH TALK TECH TALK...

Time for Tech Talk!
Hi Mark & Technomantics!

Just a heads up: We have a lurker in the chats. I don't know what he's/she's up to but, whoever he/she is, he/she doesn't seem to have any subversive intentions, le., not trolling the chatboard. If he/she shows up, just acknowledge his/her presence and make him/her feel welcome.
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Handy Haversack:

Oh, man, pirate radio stepping all over 91.1 here! They're trying to silence you, Mark!

Can't stop the signal, Mal.
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DjLorraine:

How do i describe what a wearable is?
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cosmic matrix:

↳ DjLorraine @6:25
like, a smart watch that monitors your body
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Webhamster Henry:

Let's have a show on "Dark Patterns" some time . That's web /user experience design that hides options for opting out, puts words in your mouth like "I Agree!" and "Maybe Later!" buttons instead of yes/no, and so on!
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VantuckyEd:

Hells no, Junior. I'm thinking I might opt to being like the non-tech "indians" like in Brave New World.
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joe_rosevear:

I searched in duckduckgo.com on "turn off android ai". I got this:

To turn off AI features on your Android phone, go to the Settings app, navigate to Privacy or AI Settings, and toggle off the specific AI-related features you wish to disable. Note that some features may require deeper adjustments in app permissions or settings.
  6:29pm
A2B:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:25
Would not be surprised to learn that government agencies are actually (and discreetly) hiring pirate radio broadcasters to jam low-freq range signals as part of King Don(g)'s agenda against public radio.
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MarciB:

Just finished "Careless People" and it was even more depressing/ infuriating than I expected.
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mrs.bucci:

Actually maybe this is a good idea to curb people's use of AI--shame their dumb searches
  6:30pm
traven:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:26
The watch I wear is not very smart.
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VantuckyEd:

Given the crapola that Palantir plans on doing it's high time to delete as much data as possible about yourself on the web.
  6:32pm
A2B:

And why does RFK Jr. always sound distressed whenever he speaks in public? That alone is a red flag in my mind.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ traven @6:30
that’s good. i can’t even wear a dumb kind.
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Mark T:

Mark, you are my hero. Cannot thank you enough for what you present every week
  6:35pm
tonyb:

The watch I wear has to be wound. : )
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MarciB:

In other words, turn us into China. Got it.
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DjLorraine:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:26
Ty. Some chronically ill people are already monitoring. So they won't heed my warning.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ DjLorraine @6:37
it's so tricky if you have to use one for health reasons...
  6:38pm
Marie in Chicago:

I think a good app would be one that helps users of a phone switch from gewgle as their internet gateway to another system (I don't know how to do that on my android). But, generally, apps that help people move away from surveillance systems
  6:39pm
queems:

i watched this clip on video and it was awful for this guy’s fucking wife, she was dead behind the eyes
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cosmic matrix:

lol HE HAS A FAMILY ALREADY? haha
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DjLorraine:

The newest cpaps send out data
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cosmic matrix:

poor dude
  6:40pm
A2B:

↳ MarciB @6:35
My unbearable younger brother is making China rich with his new retro gaming hobby. And I keep insisting that he should be saving all the money he's spending on a new home instead of bumming around in our house. It's both sad and frustrating to watch, and much less tolerable to put up with.
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cosmic matrix:

that happens to me too when i’m getting help coding
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ultradamno:

people.com...
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Bas NL:

Insert coin to continue our relationship.
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cosmic matrix:

oh no, every time he reminds the AI who is he is with a new synopsis of their ongoing “relationship” it’s like a feedback loop that reinforces itself!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
StringOFperils:

How it could it not be about surveillance? Your location is know. Your preferences are known. Your embarrassments are known. Your gullibility is known. What could go wrong?
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Webhamster Henry:

Just wait for your Tamagotchi to gain AGI.
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cosmic matrix:

nooo
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joe_rosevear:

Right. Children are too young to talk to AI. Even many adults can't handle it safely.
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MarciB:

↳ A2B @6:40
Oh dear - I'm sorry to hear that. But I'm afraid this is where we're heading...
  6:48pm
traven:

None of those men ever wanted be invisible again!
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Bas NL:

In The Netherlands anything goes if you get a discount.
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VantuckyEd:

I guess the brightside of this AI rush is that all these datacenters will push world temps so high that electrical grids will fail and destroy all of the web AI BS.
  6:49pm
A2B:

↳ MarciB @6:47
We are SOOOOOOO deep in The Matrix!
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bravedelay (fka mndave):

saddest staycation idea that i'm about to follow through on: taking two days off to decouple from all of these big tech leeches
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StringOFperils:

It's another tool in the toolbox for the construction of the other. The bogeymen. The 'enemies of the state'. Could be you. Step right up.
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ultradamno:

SpaceX is not a good neighbor
  6:52pm
rob:

Australia sued when Skylab fell on it
  6:53pm
Fredericks:

Resistance is becoming a full time job.
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bravedelay (fka mndave):

↳ Fredericks @6:53
indeed it has - it's important to pick your niche and hammer on it
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mrs.bucci:

Thank you Mark!
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cosmic matrix:

another informative program. thanks mark. yikes
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joe_rosevear:

Wow! Interesting show!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Give them a bad review on Yelp. Thanks, Mark!
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bleubombersune:

Thanks Mark
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
  6:58pm
Quinn02:

Thank you Mark!
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StringOFperils:

RFK Jr's face looks like Iggy Pop's collapsing torso. Terrifying.
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Deano de los Muertos:

Deep breath…😮‍💨
Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
A2B:

↳ rob @6:52
So why do you think the Bahamas didn't sue when one of Musks Starlink satellites landed on one of it's islands? Because it's a "colony" shared between the US and the UK. And no doubt it's governor was silenced by both of it's overlord empires so Musk could continue his percieved "progressive" pioneering of the tech business, all in the name of appeasing those in possession of the world's wealth.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! See you in two weeks.
  7:00pm
A2B:

Thanks, Mark! Keep fighting the good fight!
  7:13pm
Fredericks:

Bye, Mark.
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