WFMU: The Media Squat with Douglas Rushkoff: Playlist from August 3, 2009

Listener comments!
	6:03pm annie: listening...
	6:03pm Charles-A.: Here we are...
	6:04pm Charles-A.: Hello annie
	6:05pm annie: just sent you and message suggesting a show..
	6:06pm annie: hi charles!!
	6:06pm Charles-A.: Testimonials to Testament...
	6:07pm Charles-A.: Thanks annie. We will look at it. :-)
	6:08pm annie: charles, it's an old story, with a new dvd release in september.
	6:09pm annie: i signed it "radicalmom"
	6:10pm Charles-A.: DVD? Sounds like we might very well want a look.
	6:11pm Charles-A.: "radicalmom' Okay...
	6:12pm Brian Oregon: I've made several suggestions and gotten no responses, which is discouraging.
	6:14pm Janine: Brian, WE have added all your suggestions and will surely use them. We just had lots ofother shows lined up. But I assure you that they are all being seen by all of us and are being considered. ;) soon come
	6:14pm Charles-A.: Don't give up Brian O' its usually a guestion of what fits in.
	6:15pm annie: my suggestion is covering the premier of the release od loosechange911- and american coup. dylan's final oeuvre.
	6:16pm Brian Oregon: Ok -- thanks for letting me know.
	6:17pm Janine: The show is endless...and our google doc is becoming extremely large with ideas.
	6:18pm Charles-A.: Any system of currency just requires agreement on their value.
	6:19pm Caroline: I would be interested to hear Douglas and his guest discuss high frequency trading...seems like the computers are the ones running the market now.
	6:23pm Charles-A.: You're right because trading systems didn't scale. Manual systems couldn't have got us into the mess. We needed computers to have that kind of throughput.
	6:27pm Brian Oregon: Length of life is very different than quality of life. Harold's values are not necessarily the values of others.
	6:30pm Brian Oregon: Also, "average lifespan" is misleading because if many die in youth it pulls down the average. The real questions are (1) infant mortaility, and (2) average lifespan of those who survive to adulthood.
	6:30pm Charles-A.: Clothing and parasites reminds of a book I read. "Survival of the Sickest" by Sharon Moalem.
	6:31pm Caroline: Slave labor played a big role in making cotton so cheap...I don't call that "savings" even tho' it looks like in on paper
	6:32pm Brian Oregon: Yes, imperialism makes life better for those at the top of the pyramid. But it also rots their self-righteous souls as it depends on others being lower on the pyramid.
	6:34pm Charles-A.: We are extremely social creatures. Advertising is competitive.
	6:38pm Charles-A.: The problem with the Middle East is all the meddling we've done there. Mossadeh is just the previous, democratically elected, occupant of something that became The Peacock Throne under the Shah.
	6:39pm Brian Oregon: Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts shows how great capitalism is? Huh?
	6:41pm Brian Oregon: Dinka and Nuer people were very tall, much taller than us on average, before they wore t-shirts.
	6:41pm Charles-A.: You have to watch out for "the Noblesse Oblige" of the "White Man's Burden"
	6:42pm Charles-A.: Capitalism is the most equitable reward mechanism.
	6:45pm Charles-A.: The "Accountants of the Soul" NEVER GET IT!
	6:45pm Brian Oregon: Capitalism is stacked in favor of the small minority with the large majority of the wealth. The "merit" in the meritocracy of capitalism consists of skills that concentrate power in fewer hands.
	6:48pm palmalouch: I've been listening to you for half hour what's your point
	6:53pm Caroline: Seems like Howard is more concerned with end result while Douglas is more concerned with process. Question is, where is the boundary of what we will allow in the name of progress?
	6:53pm Brian Oregon: An uncharitable interpretation of his point is that he likes being rich and thinks he deserves it.
	6:55pm Charles-A.: Its too bad we can't put in HTML 'cause I have some images of Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts.
	6:58pm Charles-A.: Its just talk by smart people, like our commenters. :-)

The Media Squat with Douglas Rushkoff: Playlist from August 3, 2009

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Artist	Track	Album	Label
ramones	We Want the Airwaves "We Want the Airwaves" by "ramones"	Anthology: Hey Ho, Let's Go!
The Adicts	Eyes In The Back Of Your Head	sound of music	Razor Records
Ramones	We Want the Airwaves "We Want the Airwaves" by "Ramones"	Anthology: Hey Ho, Let's Go!

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Listener comments!
	6:03pm annie: listening...
	6:03pm Charles-A.: Here we are...
	6:04pm Charles-A.: Hello annie
	6:05pm annie: just sent you and message suggesting a show..
	6:06pm annie: hi charles!!
	6:06pm Charles-A.: Testimonials to Testament...
	6:07pm Charles-A.: Thanks annie. We will look at it. :-)
	6:08pm annie: charles, it's an old story, with a new dvd release in september.
	6:09pm annie: i signed it "radicalmom"
	6:10pm Charles-A.: DVD? Sounds like we might very well want a look.
	6:11pm Charles-A.: "radicalmom' Okay...
	6:12pm Brian Oregon: I've made several suggestions and gotten no responses, which is discouraging.
	6:14pm Janine: Brian, WE have added all your suggestions and will surely use them. We just had lots ofother shows lined up. But I assure you that they are all being seen by all of us and are being considered. ;) soon come
	6:14pm Charles-A.: Don't give up Brian O' its usually a guestion of what fits in.
	6:15pm annie: my suggestion is covering the premier of the release od loosechange911- and american coup. dylan's final oeuvre.
	6:16pm Brian Oregon: Ok -- thanks for letting me know.
	6:17pm Janine: The show is endless...and our google doc is becoming extremely large with ideas.
	6:18pm Charles-A.: Any system of currency just requires agreement on their value.
	6:19pm Caroline: I would be interested to hear Douglas and his guest discuss high frequency trading...seems like the computers are the ones running the market now.
	6:23pm Charles-A.: You're right because trading systems didn't scale. Manual systems couldn't have got us into the mess. We needed computers to have that kind of throughput.
	6:27pm Brian Oregon: Length of life is very different than quality of life. Harold's values are not necessarily the values of others.
	6:30pm Brian Oregon: Also, "average lifespan" is misleading because if many die in youth it pulls down the average. The real questions are (1) infant mortaility, and (2) average lifespan of those who survive to adulthood.
	6:30pm Charles-A.: Clothing and parasites reminds of a book I read. "Survival of the Sickest" by Sharon Moalem.
	6:31pm Caroline: Slave labor played a big role in making cotton so cheap...I don't call that "savings" even tho' it looks like in on paper
	6:32pm Brian Oregon: Yes, imperialism makes life better for those at the top of the pyramid. But it also rots their self-righteous souls as it depends on others being lower on the pyramid.
	6:34pm Charles-A.: We are extremely social creatures. Advertising is competitive.
	6:38pm Charles-A.: The problem with the Middle East is all the meddling we've done there. Mossadeh is just the previous, democratically elected, occupant of something that became The Peacock Throne under the Shah.
	6:39pm Brian Oregon: Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts shows how great capitalism is? Huh?
	6:41pm Brian Oregon: Dinka and Nuer people were very tall, much taller than us on average, before they wore t-shirts.
	6:41pm Charles-A.: You have to watch out for "the Noblesse Oblige" of the "White Man's Burden"
	6:42pm Charles-A.: Capitalism is the most equitable reward mechanism.
	6:45pm Charles-A.: The "Accountants of the Soul" NEVER GET IT!
	6:45pm Brian Oregon: Capitalism is stacked in favor of the small minority with the large majority of the wealth. The "merit" in the meritocracy of capitalism consists of skills that concentrate power in fewer hands.
	6:48pm palmalouch: I've been listening to you for half hour what's your point
	6:53pm Caroline: Seems like Howard is more concerned with end result while Douglas is more concerned with process. Question is, where is the boundary of what we will allow in the name of progress?
	6:53pm Brian Oregon: An uncharitable interpretation of his point is that he likes being rich and thinks he deserves it.
	6:55pm Charles-A.: Its too bad we can't put in HTML 'cause I have some images of Dinka and Nuer wearing t-shirts.
	6:58pm Charles-A.: Its just talk by smart people, like our commenters. :-)

The Media Squat with Douglas Rushkoff: Playlist from August 3, 2009

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