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Options March 4, 2013: Tony Fletcher discusses his new book, "A Light That Never Goes Out: the Enduring Saga of the Smiths"

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Artist Track Album Label New Approx. start time
Dum Dum Girls  There Is a Light That Never Goes Out   Options He Gets Me High EP  Sub Pop    0:00:00 (Pop‑up)
The Smiths  The Headmaster Ritual   Options Meat is Murder  Sire    0:04:51 (Pop‑up)
The Smiths  This Charming Man   Options Hatful of Hollow  Sire    0:08:49 (Pop‑up)
The Smiths  What Difference Does it Make?   Options The Peel Sessions  Dutch East India Trading / Strange Fruit    0:14:21 (Pop‑up)
David Cameron & the House of Commons  Question Time   Options       0:17:00 (Pop‑up)
  Interview with Tony Fletcher, Author of "A Light That Never Goes Out"         0:18:31 (Pop‑up)
The Smiths  The Queen is Dead   Options The Queen is Dead  Sire    1:06:36 (Pop‑up)
Doug Martsch  Reel Around the Fountain   Options Please, Please, Please: A Tribute to the Smiths (V/A)  American Laundromat    1:12:55 (Pop‑up)
Morrissey  The More You Ignore Me the Closer I Get   Options Greatest Hits  Decca    1:16:48 (Pop‑up)
Electronic  Can't Find My Way Home   Options Twisted Tenderness  Koch    1:20:31 (Pop‑up)
Belle & Sebastian  Family Tree   Options Fold Your Hands, Child; You Walk Like a Peasant  Matador    1:31:13 (Pop‑up)
Sandie Shaw  Rose Garden   Options Reviewing the Situation  RPM Records    1:34:27 (Pop‑up)
Buzzcocks  Everybody's Happy Nowadays   Options The Peel Sessions  Dutch East India Trading / Strange Fruit    1:37:23 (Pop‑up)
Commands  Too Late to Cry   Options Eccentric Soul: The Dynamic Label  Numero Group  *   1:40:16 (Pop‑up)
Bobby Bare  Baby Wants to Boogie   Options Hard Time Hungrys  Omni  *   1:43:58 (Pop‑up)
Townes Van Zandt  Who Do You Love?   Options Sunshine Boy: The Unheard Studio Sessions & Demos 1971-1972  Omnivore Recordings / Capitol  *   1:46:24 (Pop‑up)
Del Shannon  She   Options Action! The Songs of Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart (V/A)  Ace  *   1:49:55 (Pop‑up)
Tiny Topsy  Just a Little Bit   Options Hipshakers Vol 3: Just a Little Bit of the Jumpin' Bean  VampiSoul  *   1:52:45 (Pop‑up)
Alton Ellis  Can I Change My Mind?   Options Studio One Ironsides  Soul Jazz  *   2:03:28 (Pop‑up)
Prince Rama  Welcome to the Now Age   Options Top 10 Hits of the End of the World  Paw Tracks  *   2:06:01 (Pop‑up)
Kiki Gyan/The Twins  Pretty Pretty Girls   Options 24 Hours in a Disco: 1978-82  Soundway  *   2:09:40 (Pop‑up)
Spacemen 3  That's Just Fine   Options split 7" with Sun Araw  The Great Pop Supplement  *   2:18:53 (Pop‑up)
Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti  Round and Round   Options Before Today  4AD    2:26:29 (Pop‑up)
Ex Cops  The Millionaire   Options True Hallucinations  Other Music Recording Co.  *   2:36:27 (Pop‑up)
The Cave Singers  Karen's Car   Options Naomi  Jagjaguwar  *   2:39:42 (Pop‑up)
The Innocence Mission  You Chase the Light   Options The Innocence Mission  A&M Records    2:42:05 (Pop‑up)
Frank Bango  Your Stop   Options Touchy/Feely  Sincere Recording Co.  *   2:45:46 (Pop‑up)
The Smiths  How Soon is Now   Options Best...  Sire/Reprise    2:49:31 (Pop‑up)

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:07am Caryn:

Oh man, had to stay up when I found out what tonight's ep was about.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:07am Matt from Springfield:

Smiths! And Therese! And Caryn! And...Mr. Tony Fletcher too!
And everyone! Hiya!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:08am Matt from Springfield:

LOVE the Dum Dum Girls cover, had that on iTunes a couple years now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:11am Caryn:

The Smiths have played such a key role in my life, couldn't leave this to just the archive.
And hi, Matt!
Avatar 12:11am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

Testing new internets
Avatar 12:12am BadGuyZero:

Everyday - but today especially - is like Sunday.
Avatar 12:12am BadGuyZero:

Ooh...you get a heart when you pledge?
  12:13am Everythingispop (London, ON Canada):

Always such friendly folks here. Greetings from London, ON.
Avatar 12:13am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

You are a heart.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:13am Matt from Springfield:

Hey Caryn! Not surprised you're digging a Smiths episode!

Speaking of which..in the last minute of the Super Bowl, I think the stadium was playing "Last Night I Dreamed That Somebody Loved Me", to set a tense mood. Did *anyone else* hear that??
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:13am Caryn:

Hey, I've pledged! Where's my heart?
Avatar 12:15am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

Thank you for being the first to ask the most-frequently-asked-question of this feature.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:15am Matt from Springfield:

What's the heart for Kenzo?

Incidentally ASCII fans, with all the <3 typings for a heart, I've found the even more simple way to make an ACTUAL heart! Alt+3 ♥ -- not 103, or 223, or even 333333, just 3! :)
Avatar 12:16am KP:

Hey, Therese.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:16am Matt from Springfield:

Everything is Pop, and Everyone is Friendly here! Hello London, Ontario!

@BGZ: Appropos, since The Sundays were strongly influenced by The Smiths.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:17am Caryn:

Always happy to help, Kenzo.
Avatar 12:17am KP:

Caryn! Is this late or early for you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:17am Matt from Springfield:

Hi KP!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:18am G:

I ♥ NY :)
Avatar 12:18am BriJet:

Hello Therese!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:18am Caryn:

@KP: both. 7 a.m., but I never went to bed because I was worried I'd miss this, so tired as hell.
Avatar 12:19am KP:

Matt! What time is it in Springfield.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:19am Caryn:

Aw, it was nice to have a heart for a while...
Avatar 12:20am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

It's having a beat.
Avatar 12:20am amEdeo:

Where nem hearts go?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:20am Caryn:

Am I the only one who studied The Smiths at university?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:20am Matt from Springfield:

The same time as FMU Standard Time!--12:20 a.m., just as the timestamps say!
Avatar 12:20am KP:

Therese, the Smiths or the start of the Marathon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:21am Therese:

Hello all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:22am Caryn:

@KP: The Smiths. Technically, the Marathon doesn't start for about 6.5 hours. And Therese can be listened to on the archives. But a Smiths episode must be experienced live.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:22am Matt from Springfield:

Smiths & Jam for breakfast...

G! ♦ :)
@Caryn: Ivy League schools in the US tend to have those pop culture anthropology courses, otherwise universities don't tend to have courses like that.
Avatar 12:23am KP:

Caryn you know the Marathon doesn't really start until 6. Therese and amEdeo get shortchanged.
Avatar 12:24am KP:

I saw the Smiths. Guess it was some time ago.
Avatar 12:24am I X Key!:

How do I do a little heart with a mac? No Alt!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:25am Caryn:

@Matt: mind you, the course was actually Smiths, Clash, Sex Pistols and Radiohead. One of the most enjoyable courses I ever took.
Avatar 12:25am BadGuyZero:

So Manchester is the Seattle of England?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:25am Therese:

Caryn, really? Have you read Tony's book?
Avatar 12:26am Droll:

BGZ, Between Boeing and Microsoft and Amazon (and now biotech) there's a notable lack of "broke" here in Seattle.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:26am Caryn:

@Therese: nope, but need to get it. I did volunteer at an academic Smiths conference once. Tried to check to see if Fletcher was there, but not sure.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:28am Matt from Springfield:

@Caryn: What an excellent course! :)

Actually Manchester's more like the "Chicago" of England--one of the top big, industrial cities, inland, various ethnicities, long decline after industry left. Liverpool's probable more like Seattle (or...Newcastle maybe???)
Avatar 12:29am Droll:

. o O ( And there's good skiing here )
Now that you mention it, Marr ended up in Modest Mouse. Maybe there is some connection.
Avatar 12:30am BadGuyZero:

I bought a UK edition of Tony's book as a gift for a friend [it came out a few months earlier on the other side of the pond].
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:31am Matt from Springfield:

"Everyone Will Feel Sad and Old: Therese's 2014 Marathon premium"
Avatar 12:32am BadGuyZero:

A lot of 80's rock sounds very dated now from a production standpoint.

Except "Reign In Blood." That record is timeless!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:32am Therese:

Spoiler alert!
Avatar 12:32am amEdeo:

Hahaha. Can't wait!
Avatar 12:34am BadGuyZero:

Ralph Macchio is the same age that Pat Morita was when "The Karate Kid" was made.

Avatar 12:36am Droll:

BGZ, Ouch. That was uncalled for.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:38am Matt from Springfield:

Wow, incredibly, BGZ's right!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:40am G:

The numbers don't lie :)
Avatar 12:40am Droll:

G, Especially the number Zero.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:42am G:

0 and 1 are the éminences grises...
Avatar 12:44am Droll:

G, This BGZ fellow, who is his GoodGuyOne?
Avatar 12:46am KP:

Ok since nobody asked, the Smiths were lacking as a live band. The one guitar could not recreate the record. Especially in how soon is now, the thematic lead was just skipped. There was great anticipation and they flopped.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:46am Matt from Springfield:

@Droll: "BadGuyZero" IS actually his own "GoodGuyOne"!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:48am Caryn:

Hmm, I wonder if the "song by song" book he refers to is the Simon Goddard one?
Avatar 12:48am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

Last time I watched The Karate Kid, I realized: Ralph Macchio is in EVERY SINGLE SCENE. There is no set or scene in the entire movie that he isn't in. Never a scene with just Pat Morita, or his mom, or a scene in the dojo without him, or a flashback...

How many similarly-scaled movies have such a characteristic?

Go ahead, try to think of a scene or room he wasn't in!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:49am G:

@Droll: Bad Guy Zero is actually from an old phone number mnemonic of his, if I am recalling something off the Best Show board correctly. I mentioned his handle sounded scary, and he explained its origin
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:52am Matt from Springfield:

@G: Ah, interesting! Never heard that story. 223-4890!

@Kenzo: I'm sure many movies are like that, per the star's contract...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:53am Caryn:

@Kenzo: it's not that uncommon. For instance, "A Clockwork Orange" has no scenes without Alex.
Avatar 12:53am BadGuyZero:

G has my origin story correct.
Avatar 12:55am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

@Caryn: The final scene in the film, where we see that he's dreaming about naked woman...is he in that shot?
Avatar 12:56am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

I mean the shot of what's in his head. I don't think Malcolm is in that shot, which takes place on a set his character is never on.
Avatar 12:57am Droll:

What a wonderful character swap that would be: Daniel and Alex.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:59am Caryn:

@Kenzo: yep, the naked girl is riding him as others watch. He's in the shot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:59am G:

If you check on ye olde internets, movie buffs sometimes build lists of movies in which the main character is in every or nearly every scene:

Rear Window
A Clockwork Orange
Cast Away
etc etc
Avatar 1:00am KP:

Only stations I remember playing Smiths at first were WNYU and WLIR.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:01am Matt from Springfield:

Cast Away is a good example. And Rear Window, I don't know if there was a scene w/o Jimmy Stewart, except when the camera looks across the courtyard to other apartments, or when someone else walks through his door.
Avatar 1:01am Droll:

Better character swap: Semi Truck in Duel, and Daniel in Karate Kid. The Jacknife attack pose is my favorite scene in that version.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:02am Sugarfly Waterloo:

Wasn't the camera in Rear Window in a fixed position?
Avatar 1:04am BadGuyZero:

There was a show called "The Rock & Roll Alternative" on one of the AOR stations in Dallas in the mid-80s. It was on at like midnight on Sundays. I discovered a lot of bands via that show. Around that time Rolling Stone occasionally published the top ten records getting airplay on college radio. I discovered some stuff via that too.
Avatar 1:06am BadGuyZero:

Hitchcock's "Rope" was filmed in extended takes on a set built so that the camera could "pass through the walls" as the characters moved from room-to-room.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:06am Matt from Springfield:

@Sugarfly: Maybe the "cross-courtyard" camera was in one fixed position.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:07am G:

Other suggestions:

On the Waterfront
The 400 Blows
The Graduate
Double Indemnity
The Maltese Falcon
Bonnie and Clyde

near misses (one scene without the protagonist in each):

Raging Bull
Taxi Driver
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:07am Matt from Springfield:

Thanks for coming on, Tony! Thanks Therese and WFMU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:08am G:

Great interview, book sounds very well done...
Avatar 1:10am BadGuyZero:

I'm trying to remember if The Smiths were ever profiled on MTV's "The Cutting Edge."
Avatar 1:10am KP:

The first commercial New Wave station in nation was Wpix and it was in the building I worked in. We used to see the Djs in dive bar downstairs, particularly Meg Griffin, who is on satellite now.
Avatar 1:11am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

Tom Hanks is not the opening sequence of Castaway. It doesn't count! There are places we see in that movie that we don't ever see him in. Unlike in Karate Kid.
Avatar 1:16am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

So, my friendly test subjects: Has anyone here other than Caryn pledged to the marathon, and if so, was it before or after Friday afternoon?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:17am Matt from Springfield:

@KP: Didn't know that about Meg Griffin.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:17am Matt from Springfield:

@Kenzo: I sent a check in by mail earlier last week, it should be in by now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:21am Caryn:

For anyone interested in The Smiths, I'd also recommend this: www.amazon.co.uk...
Avatar 1:22am KP:

It was at that bar she earned the name Legless Megless. Loved her deep voice and everything about the station. New wave/punk was exciting and rare and to have it same building was a thrill.
Avatar 1:22am BadGuyZero:

I was going to wait until the marathon started to make my pledge.
Avatar 1:24am Droll:

I always play the 'thon like The Showcase Showdown on The Price is Right -- the second week is always better. I let the other contestants bid on the Sun Ra box set in week 1 because week 2 always features some live Merzbow box sets.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:27am Caryn:

I set up a small prize account now, just so I have a little something to bid on prizes with. I'll probably make a bigger pledge next week, once I've listened to DJs playing bits from their premiums. Need that to help narrow down my faves.
Avatar 1:29am Droll:

Caryn, Whoa! The Kindle price for that book is about 50% higher in the UK than US Amazon! Can you buy a "US E-Book" in the UK?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:29am fleep:

March 4 is also National Pound Cake Day
Avatar 1:30am BadGuyZero:

As far as I know you cannot purchase Kindle editions from international Amazon sites.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:30am Caryn:

@droll: hmm, don't know. But at the same time, the actual paper version of the book costs about 6 times as much in the US as it does in the UK.
Avatar 1:31am BadGuyZero:

"They acquired the torch."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:32am Caryn:

Or maybe a little less than that, depending on the rate of exchange.
  1:32am bud dock:

i love wfmu, maybe even more then i like the smiths. butt i dont know about all this...
Avatar 1:35am amEdeo:

@Kenzo: Joe Vs. The Volcano was the prequel to Castaway, right?
Avatar 1:36am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever):

I think it was the prequel to "The 3."
  1:36am bud dock:

okay okay.
Avatar 1:39am amEdeo:

"The 3"? Is that another Tom Hanks adaptation of "Cabin Boy"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:40am fleep:

"The 3" is a sequel to "The 2"
Avatar 1:42am KP:

I wrote a mini review for a friend's book on Uk amazon. I was surprised it went through.
Avatar 1:43am BadGuyZero:

"Pi" is the sequel to "The 3."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:44am fleep:

That movie seems like it goes on forever
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:44am G:

The 3.14159 Musketeers?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:46am Caryn:

The big question is: is "The 2" a sequel to "The One" or "The One and Only"?
Avatar 1:46am Droll:

I never got "a round" to seeing Pi.
Avatar 1:48am amEdeo:

Hahaha. If only one could favorite comments. My insides are all a'chucklin'.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:49am Caryn:

@Droll: why watch "Pi" when you can eat pie?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:50am Caryn:

Gotta say, the moment I realised "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" was a prequel to the two other "Dollar" movies was quite memorable.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:56am fleep:

Actually, the soundtrack to "Pi" is great, Aphex Twin, Orbital, Autechre, Massive Attack
Avatar 1:57am amEdeo:

Is it? It's been so long since I've seen them. I was pretty into those films when I was in High School... used to ride the bus to school listening to "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" soundtrack.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:01am Caryn:

@amEdeo: yep, it pretty much shows him picking up all the items his character is known for (the poncho, the bandoliers,...) and it takes place during the Civil War, while the others take place after the Civil War.
Also (and this is just my personal opinion), the trilogy reveals the full name of "the man with no name" bit by bit (first name, last name, nickname as the movies go on).
Avatar 2:03am BadGuyZero:

Alex Cox's "Straight To Hell" has a lot of homages to the Man With No Name trilogy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:05am Caryn:

@amEdeo: also nice to hear about the soundtrack. The soundtrack of many family car trips was the "Once Upon A Time in the West" OST.
Avatar 2:06am BadGuyZero:

The Smiths' songs as Penguin Classics: www.raid71.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:08am Caryn:

@BGZ: true, even if it is more directly a Django sequel remake.
Avatar 2:11am amEdeo:

Hah. Yeah, Ennio Morricone was in heavy rotation in my teen years, and was definitely encouraged by my family.

Interesting about the chronology of the films. Always vastly preferred "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" to the other two films... I was raised on Kurosawa films, so I may have had a bit of a bias against the first two, especially "For A Fistful of Dollars". Boy oh boy, it's really been years since I've thought about any of this.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:12am Caryn:

Well, I say "sequel", but in a complex way...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:14am Caryn:

@amEdeo: I always preferred "For A Few Dollars More". But having gotten through several college courses by writing about Morricone movies, I've thought about this a lot over the years ;)
Avatar 2:18am BadGuyZero:

Tomorrow [technically today] we get to find out where/when Giorgio Moroder is DJing in NYC!
Avatar 2:21am BadGuyZero:

When I lived in Seattle there was a Leone film festival. Opening night they had a professor from UW give a lecture about Morricone's scores.
Avatar 2:30am amEdeo:

Really liked his score for "John Carpenter's The Thing". Always wondered how involved Carpenter had been with it, since he usually did the scores for his films.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:34am Caryn:

@amEdeo: yeah. Carpenter only worked on 4 tracks on that soundtrack. A bit different from many of his other films. But I ain't gonna complain, because the Morricone score is great!
Avatar 2:37am BadGuyZero:

The score for "The Thing" always felt like it was outlined by Carpenter then completed by Morricone.
Avatar 2:37am KP:

Terrence Hill was great in Spaghetti Westerns
Avatar 2:39am KP:

My Name is Nobody being the biggest
Avatar 2:40am BadGuyZero:

One of the holy grail Morricone records is a non-cutout, non-promo copy of the "Rampage" soundtrack. I have never seen one. I figure there had to be a box or two that the saw missed.
Avatar 2:42am amEdeo:

Ah, I did not know that. Do you know which tracks they were? I have three different releases of that... I should dig them up sometime.

Definitely agree, regardless of how directly he was involved, you can feel Carpenter (and his collaborator Alan Howarth)'s influence throughout.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:46am Caryn:

@amEdeo: "Main title", "Burn it", "Fuchs" and "To Mack's Shack".

@KP: very true. Both the Nobody and Trinity films are great. (As are many of the individual other films.)
Avatar 2:46am BadGuyZero:

The first time I met John Zorn we talked about Morricone scores for around an hour. We were both totally geeking out about Morricone.
Avatar 2:47am amEdeo:

I'm IN the death trap!!
  2:54am Steve-O:

Hi Therese! Really enjoyed the show tonight.....=)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:55am fleep:

Thank you for the soundtrack to a Sunday evening, Therese.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:56am Caryn:

Great show, Therese! Now to see if I can take a little cat nap...
Avatar 2:57am KP:

Super show Therese. There's always room for the smiths. ESP this song.
Avatar 2:58am KP:

And good luck in marathon!
Avatar 2:59am KP:

How soon is amEdeo?
Avatar 2:59am BadGuyZero:

Fantastic show, Therese! Have a great week! Until next time...
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