WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from March 31, 2013

Listener comments!
	9:00pm 12539: Happy Birthday, Dave without an E! (Doug said to say that)
	9:00pm Dave Mandl: Evening, music lovers.
	9:02pm Dave Mandl: Thank you!
	9:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: What it is!
	9:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Rare treat to dig this thing in real time vs. archives.
	9:06pm doca: hello dave m. and all listeners
	9:06pm Dave Mandl: Welcome, Rev.
	9:11pm Dave Mandl: Hey, Doca.
	9:16pm doca: intriguing set so far, dave, demanding but also very hearty songs, if i may call that.
	9:17pm Richard from Venezuela: Greetings Dave and all the listeners.
	9:18pm slugluv1313: good evening Dave! yes, i am happy to be listening LIVE too! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
	9:19pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Been on an Expo70 binge ever since he played Sonic Circuits fest here in DC a few years back. Superior stuff.
	9:20pm Dave Mandl: Hey there, Richard. Thanks, @SL!
	9:22pm slugluv1313: YAY HUNGARY!!!!!!
	9:28pm Dave Mandl: Haha. I'm half Hungarian myself, and so is my wife.
	9:30pm slugluv1313: AWESOME! Hungarian-Gypsy-by-way-of-New-Jersey here :) do either of you speak Hungarian???
	9:32pm Dave Mandl: Not a word, unfortunately.
	9:37pm slugluv1313: me neither, although i totally recognize it when i hear it, thanks to my Mom and Grandma :) -- but when i was born, not considered a "good" thing to speak languages other than English in the US -- took Hungarian class at Hungarian House in Manhattan, hoo boy! some of those vowel sounds are like the combined sound of TWO Sanskrit vowels! FASCINATINg but difficult language!
	9:39pm 12539: 2%!
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: @SL1313: Yeah, I'd love to learn it sometime but TBH it wouldn't be practical, and it would take me ages.
	9:41pm Dave Mandl: @12539: I might have a few more tonight, but not many.
	9:41pm Droll: 12539, Lurker rule #1!
	9:43pm doca: so if you're half hungarian and your wife's too, so your children will be whole hungarian or only one quarter?
	9:45pm I X Key!: LOL
	9:46pm Mike Sin: !Happy birthday. Dave!
	9:47pm cklequ: If you and your wife are both half Hungarian, your children will be two thirds Scandinavian and one eighth Latvian. Simple physics.
	9:48pm doca: @cklequ: especially living in the new jersey/new york area. latvian by osmosis.
	9:49pm Dave Mandl: @Mike: Thanks, pal.
	9:50pm Dave Mandl: @cklequ: She's half too, isn't she? And 1/4 Italian and 1/4 Russian.
	9:53pm cklequ: I think it's 1/3 Russian... I can't think straight. I'm distracted by trying to decide what type of music my new band "Latvian By Osmosis" should play.
	9:55pm slugluv1313: checker music for Balinesians???
	9:57pm Dave Mandl: I'm half Russian, so my daughter's 1/4 Russian.
	9:57pm Snortley: There's some mysterious connection between Hungarian and Finnish, so you're perhaps in some way Scandinavian.
	9:58pm doca: @cklequ: you can check on wikipedia's list of musical genres, as explored by trouble during the marathon.
	10:01pm 12539: Dave, I think she's 25% Italian, 25% Russian, 48% Hungarian, and 2% rock and roll.
	10:02pm doca: hahah
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Hahahahahahaha.
	10:02pm Rev. Turnip Druid: English on both sides, my wife is English/Dutch & some other odds & ends, yet our pup is 100% boxer. Sounds like someone was teepee-creeping, as they say.
	10:02pm slugluv1313: true, when i was studying Hungarian, one thing we learned was that Finnish is one of the few (perhaps the ONLY???) languages on the planet that is even remotely similar to Hungarian!
	10:03pm Rev. Turnip Druid: god, love this Stitt track.
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: Actually, 90% hip-hop.
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: @SL: Yes, Finno-Ugrian family.
	10:04pm doca: @slugluv: does hungarian possess also all those declinations which finnish has?
	10:04pm G: Nothing mysterious. Hungarian and Finnish may go back to a common ancestor language in pre-writing times. People have been arguing that since the 19th century, but it's not 100% accepted even today. Time will tell...: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:05pm Snortley: Also, Japanese and Semitic languages are related, oddly enough, so break out the Wasabi.
	10:05pm G: The article I linked to gives summaries of some of the similarities, doca...
	10:06pm Snortley: Actually, the theory of a common language is far from agreed upon by linguists.
	10:07pm doca: certainly those languages have more differences between them than the differences between the indo-european languages
	10:10pm G: Like I said, Snortley, time will tell :) But people have been noticing and speculating about the similarities since the 18th century... In the 1980s it was taught in garden-variety linguistics courses as a "hypothesis," unproven and subject to subsequent confirmation or refutation. It's no more pinned down either way today... But there's been a lot more theorizing in the last 20 years about pre-writing linguistic reconstruction than there was in the middle of the 20th century...
	10:12pm slugluv1313: i just read that! re: Hungarian being related to Sumerian, Japanese, etc. -- but apparently dismissed by linguistics? hhmmm . . . the plot thickens . . . and OF COURSE some friends over the years have half-jokingly claimed that Hungarians really ARE aliens :)
	10:13pm slugluv1313: @ doca -- oh gosh, i do not know! i did not get to continue my studies :( (BUT certainly want to when finances permit!)
	10:14pm 12539: I heard somewhere that language is a virus.
	10:15pm slugluv1313: here is the link from Wiki: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:16pm Snortley: Yes, there are linguistic remains in modern languages that can be tied to archaeological evidence. However the "evidence" of a common ancestor tongue is tenuous at best. Most of what has been found in remote linguistic connections turns out to be connected to migrations.
	10:17pm slugluv1313: and more FUN with HUNGARIAN! :) www.omniglot.com...
	10:18pm fleep: Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language and of one speech. That settles that.
	10:18pm Droll: There is no language in our lungs... No we're leaving nothing, just chiselled stones
	10:22pm Droll: If there is one root language, will it be called Pangean?
	10:23pm Snortley: Unlike the ancients, we don't chisel stones much, and thanks to computers, we may leave little behind at all. Even our architecture is perishable and will be found only as heaps of brick and broken glass.
	10:28pm osvi: Happy birthday, Dave! Thanks for the musical gifts!
	10:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Happy Easter! Rabbit is here! ...This is not an easter egg I'm bouncing in my paw, however... - Tolkien based a lot of his Elvish on Finnish - & their epic Kalevala influenced him - anybody didn't know. Tolkien was an Oxford Philologist - but an odd one out in those times as he put emphasis on ancient things as Literature not just Linguistics. - Joyeux Arien Solar Return - !!! [transl.: Happy B-Day] - Fellow Comrade in the Army of Dave - !!!
	10:29pm Dave Mandl: @osvi: Thanks!
	10:29pm Dave Mandl: @RR: Wow, thanks!
	10:31pm G: @Droll: The caveat is that not a few scientific linguists think there is no way to reconstruct "Proto-World," if it even existed (language could have started separately in different places, not in one place). One major speculative hypothesis about possibly connecting Indo-European, other Eurasiatic languages, and even some other language macrofamilies, is Nostratic ("Our" human language): en.wikipedia.org...
	10:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Are the Finnish Skandinavian? ...First I thot I heard that they did not relate to other Skandi.s or Germanics - but rather to Asians, possibly even Koreans. - If one looks @ a North Polar Projection of the Globe/Earth - looking down @ the Map from over the North Pole - these things may make more sense. - But then I've read quite different things in the FMU Comments Boards here - that it's related to Hungarian, yeah, & other little East European/former Soviet countries... Is F.S.er Caryn Finnish? She is like - scary - w/ Languages, yes - ?!?! ...So now I wonder if what I heard was talking about the Language Finnish & not the people...hmm...or just rubbish &/or I misheard/misremember... - Russians are more Viking than people think, no? Or Russia was settled by them? Prob/ invaded - like everywhere else...'Rus' means 'Red'.
	10:40pm Droll: G, Geneticists are definitely able to reconstruct the ancestry of extinct plant/animal species and reason about their ages and interactions over time through just DNA. All of Google translate is done through statistical analysis of translated UN documents, those methods are also clearly very effective. The problem is probably not how to reconstruct Pangean, but the lack of written historical record for analysis to do it.
	10:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - As for the People - Genetic Science is gonna be wunna the things that rocks the 21st century like other things rocked the 20th. ...Mitochondrial DNA does not change from mother-to-mother, so they can follow Racial connections all over the place...
	10:44pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): As a regular user of the comment boards, please understand that I include myself in any insult in this comment, but there is truly a million-monkeys thing going on here -- given enough playlist chatter, every now and then something truly fascinating emerges. I have been fascinated lurking on this one.
	10:45pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): Also, I quickly read above, "Russians are more Viking than people."
	10:47pm G: Yes, Droll, the ongoing accumulation of databases of deep-time genetic information is part of what extremely distant-time language-reconstructing linguists are working with -- above and beyond the historical sound-change reconstruction that they have used to do "comparative linguistics" and "historical linguistics"since the late 1700s. I got my 23andme.com genetic text last year when they lowered the price to 99 bucks. I am 2.something percent neanderthal, as you can tell by the scabs on my knuckles from where they drag on the sidewalk. More recently I seem to be mostly Viking and Celtic.
	10:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Compared to where, Pete - ?!? - I think it's more about how serious anybody wants to be @ a given time - but seems to me it's top-heavy w/ Smart Babies around here - ! ...You & I may well have a different standard about that, of course!...I feel quite an uncooth unshooled hayseed hereabouts - a good %-age of the time...
	10:49pm G: @Pete: Get me on a topic I know something about, and you never know what I might say. I've published on language in academic journals since the 90s, and I studied linguistics as an undergrad at U of Michigan back when it had a leading linguistics program, though I was too young and dumb to take full advantage at that time (I was more interested in literature in them days)...
	10:50pm Droll: G, Wow! You're the first people I know who wanted to peek at the last page of the Book of Life. What did it say? What's your expiration date?
	10:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: $99 - !! ...That's interesting John Carpenter handled all those aspects of the moviemusic...
	10:52pm G: Yeah, RR, it used to be closer to 500ish///
	10:54pm G: @Droll: All knowledge that is now considered generally accepted and common sense started as weird speculation at some point (e.g., diseases are caused by microscopic germs, and so many other examples). Heteroclite can become mainstream, given enough time, and actual truth that proves out. So there's hope for us weirdos.
	10:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...People in general have no idea what's coming @ them w/ Genetic Science...They could do just such an analysis from a single hair - or even what you leave on things after a meal.
	10:56pm Spaniel: This is a bit random but I started a bit of internet searching related to Algebra Suicide (I had listened to them years ago but had forgotten about them) and found a couple things coincidental. First, this interesting discussion by a couple writers and former WFMU DJ, www.inotherwordsmerida.com... Then, buried deep in the comments of this discussion: launch.groups.yahoo.com... someone mentioning an association with Lydia Tomkiw through Dave Mandl's friend.
	10:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes!: Totally random to actually reference the actual Music being played! : P
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, we had a bunch of friends in common (inc. former FMU DJ Bart Plantenga). When she moved to NY we became pretty good friends.
	10:59pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): My tired brain can't keep up, but this might be the first comment list I come back and read through the next day to see what I missed. Good show, Dave! Happy birthday!
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Jose Padua (a mutual friend) wrote a nice piece about her for the Brooklyn Rail, where I'm music editor. It should be Google-able.
	11:00pm Dave Mandl: @Pete: Glad to hear it. And thanks!
	11:01pm Droll: G, Yes, science changes one funeral at a time. I, for one, shall never revoke my membership in the Flat Earth Society. ...And people keep talking about music that goes along with these comments boards. Is there a link?
	11:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - As for Comments Boards & Chatter - I find it interesting sometimes to see the relation between the Music being played & the Tone of the Chatter. The gab may not be on-topic as far as referencing the music directly - but they dance together... - Music, Playlist & Comments together are not exactly like anything else I know of - now that I reflect on it - !...
	11:03pm G: @Droll: My heteroclite comment was allegorically about WFMU 0:-)
	11:04pm G: Is "one funeral at a time" a covert reference to Kuhn's _Structure of Scientific Revolutions_? Because that fits.
	11:05pm G: Speaking of heteroclite: Ladies and gentleman, Mister HARRY PARTCH!
	11:06pm Spaniel: Thanks, Dave. Happy birthday and thanks for the interesting music tonight. Here's the article you mentioned: www.brooklynrail.org...
	11:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'heteroclite'... : Of all the Cards in the Deck, rather not be The Hermit - the one Monkey that knows Fire - but so it goes.
	11:10pm fleep: Normal sucks: knowledgeisnecessity.blogspot.com...
	11:11pm Dave Mandl: @Spaniel: Thanks and thanks.
	11:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..Once again - ! : - Weighing FMU's virtues as a life-affirming stimulant - vs. its' possible shortcomings as a suitable soporific. - Is to say - should I keep listening & crawl under covers, or choose another stream - or even something radical like no music @ all...
	11:13pm Droll: G, Not Kuhn, but it might as well be. I like the idea of the story of FMU told through allegory. Last year's epic flood, leaving Upsala for the Hobokenland, it's all great yarn.
	11:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AntiPilgrim's Regress
	11:17pm G: @Droll; There's no definite upper limit to the number of interesting things someone hasn't done yet... Imaginary library...
	11:19pm fleep: That's intense.
	11:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...this means Mr. Mandl that your Sun will be about where my Jupiter in my 9th House is - so makes sense you may mentor the expansion of my horizons - & all this in Aries - which I could see for foreward-thinkin' Avant (Aries wants to be First) as well as maybe 'direct' stuff...
	11:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - 'Imaginary library'... Who's that Hispanic author that does the short stories that are sort-of Kafkaesque (...maybe) & sees the world as lotsa Libraries...
	11:24pm RUBY: Made it home from work in time for the last bit of your show!
	11:25pm G: Borges
	11:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Jorge Luis Borges...
	11:36pm slugluv1313: H.N.A.S ! <3
	11:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: fleep's Link: ...'Dr Ghaemi is by no means the first to comment on the positive association between manic-depressive tendencies and outstanding achievement, but he goes much farther by calling “normal” into question'... - An old friend called people 'Dull Normals' - & that's just too handy - using it stuck w/ me. - There's all sorts of ways to be Creative - but generally the type is gonna tend to be either On or Off @ any time - obviously. Ya don't wanna be a snob - but some people have Highs others just plain can't see.
	11:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Trying to put my finger on what I like about this Program's style...but can't quite yet. - I like that it's Avant, but not dry? There's Substance & feeling as well? Not all Expiriments are a success, & Mr. Mandl's filters are good? ...Pretty much every FMU-J gets points for being varied & for their program pacing...
	11:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...it's not willfully weird - simply Smart & Tasteful?...
	11:55pm fleep: There's challenging music, and then there's aggressive music. The latter has overtones of contempt for the listener. The trick is balancing the challenging with some respite, ear sorbet between courses.
	11:57pm 12539: Thank you and Boldog Szulinapot, Dave.
	11:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx fleep!: ...whew - a dolphin didn't let me flounder on my own there... - Not that I'm the enemy of the willfully weird! Back to your article Link...
	11:59pm fleep: Thanks, Dave.
	11:59pm Dave Mandl: Thanks very much, folks.
	12:00am Dave Mandl: And thanks everyone for listening and chatting. Have a great week.
	12:00am Tommy: Great show, wonderfully mysterious
	12:01am slugluv1313: thank YOU, Dave! wonderful show!
	12:01am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...actually, I guess 'double-screening' is commonplace now - but FMU 'Radio' & Comments is first to engage me...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from March 31, 2013

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March 31, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
István Márta	Overture "Overture" by "István Márta"	Works	Hungaroton	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Julia Rovinsky	Energy Flow (Ryuichi Sakamoto)	Dawn	Ent-T	0:06:01 (Pop-up)
Aldo Clementi	GiAn(ca)rlo CArDini	Punctum Contra Punctum	Die Schachtel	0:11:15 (Pop-up)
Expo '70	Universal Horizon "Universal Horizon" by "Expo '70"	Animism	Kill Shaman	0:16:15 (Pop-up)

Don Bikoff	To Ellen "To Ellen" by "Don Bikoff"	Celestial Explosion	Tompkins Square	0:28:07 (Pop-up)
Stafrænn Hákon	Blek "Blek" by "Stafrænn Hákon"	Ventill/Poki	Resonant	0:31:25 (Pop-up)
Kristin Oppenheim	She Was Long Gone	Selected Works	303 Gallery	0:37:22 (Pop-up)
Soft Boys	The Pigworker "The Pigworker" by "Soft Boys"	A Can of Bees	Ryko	0:40:05 (Pop-up)

John Zorn	Island/Ghetto "Island/Ghetto" by "John Zorn"	Filmworks XXV	Tzadik	0:49:30 (Pop-up)
Mark Mothersbaugh	Mothersbaugh's Canon	The Royal Tenenbaums OST	Hollywood Records	0:51:58 (Pop-up)
Sonic Catering Band	Table Manners	Seven Transdanubian Recipes	Peripheral Conserve	0:56:59 (Pop-up)
Sonny Stitt Quartet	Norman's Blues	New York Jazz	Verve	1:02:23 (Pop-up)

Algebra Suicide	Cerebral Dance "Cerebral Dance" by "Algebra Suicide"	Summer Virus Night	Dom Elchklang	1:09:15 (Pop-up)
Sparks	I Like Girls "I Like Girls" by "Sparks"	Profile The Ultimate Sparks Collection	Rhino	1:11:11 (Pop-up)
Eyeless in Gaza	Back from the Rains	Back from the Rains	Cherry Red	1:14:04 (Pop-up)
Intelligence	Tropical Struggle "Tropical Struggle" by "Intelligence"	Icky Baby	In the Red	1:17:30 (Pop-up)
Family	Scene Through the Eye of a Lens	Music in a Doll's House (reissue)	Reprise	1:19:37 (Pop-up)

Carl Orff	Rondo "Rondo" by "Carl Orff"	Volume One / Musica Poetica	Celestial Harmonies	1:25:55 (Pop-up)
Organum	Obon (Version) "Obon (Version)" by "Organum"	Vacant Lights / Rara Avis	Die Stadt	1:28:10 (Pop-up)
Mats Gustafsson, Paal Nilssen-Love, Mesele Asmamaw	Baro 101-B	Baro 101	Terp	1:34:35 (Pop-up)
Sun City Girls	Lemur's Urine "Lemur's Urine" by "Sun City Girls"	Singles Volume 3	Abduction	1:39:32 (Pop-up)
John Carpenter	The Bank Robbery "The Bank Robbery" by "John Carpenter"	Escape from New York OST	Silva Screen	1:41:38 (Pop-up)

Carl Stone	Nyala: Second Section "Nyala: Second Section" by "Carl Stone"	Emit:1196	TIME Records	1:50:34 (Pop-up)
Hijokaidan	Circles "Circles" by "Hijokaidan"	Hijokaidan Tapes	Alchemy Records	1:54:14 (Pop-up)
Art Lande	Jaimi's Birthday Song "Jaimi's Birthday Song" by "Art Lande"	Rubisa Patrol	ECM	1:59:11 (Pop-up)
Harry Partch	June 11, 1935 - Santa Rosa, California	Bitter Music	Bridge	2:03:03 (Pop-up)
Strange	Four Eyes "Four Eyes" by "Strange"	Souvenir Album	Normal Records	2:11:30 (Pop-up)

Dan Friel	Velocipede "Velocipede" by "Dan Friel"	Total Folklore	Thrill Jockey	2:21:44 (Pop-up)
Alex Calder	Suki and Me "Suki and Me" by "Alex Calder"	Time	Captured Tracks	2:21:49 (Pop-up)
H.N.A.S.	Welt der Getränke "Welt der Getränke" by "H.N.A.S."	Gegenstände Fallen Zu Boden	Dom Elchklang	2:24:32 (Pop-up)
Jozef Van Wissem & Jim Jarmusch	Hetoimasia	Apokatastasis	Incunabulum	2:33:26 (Pop-up)

Peter Blegvad & John Greaves	Bottle	Unearthed	Sub Rosa	2:40:17 (Pop-up)
Benoit Pioulard	Florid "Florid" by "Benoit Pioulard"	Hymnal	Kranky	2:42:39 (Pop-up)
Chico Hamilton Quintet	Blue Sands	Complete Studio Recordings		2:46:07 (Pop-up)
Rob Mazurek Octet	Keeping the Light Up	Skull Sessions	Cuneiform	2:52:28 (Pop-up)
Paul Bley Quintet	Ictus "Ictus" by "Paul Bley Quintet"	Barrage	ESP	2:56:22 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00pm 12539: Happy Birthday, Dave without an E! (Doug said to say that)
	9:00pm Dave Mandl: Evening, music lovers.
	9:02pm Dave Mandl: Thank you!
	9:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: What it is!
	9:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Rare treat to dig this thing in real time vs. archives.
	9:06pm doca: hello dave m. and all listeners
	9:06pm Dave Mandl: Welcome, Rev.
	9:11pm Dave Mandl: Hey, Doca.
	9:16pm doca: intriguing set so far, dave, demanding but also very hearty songs, if i may call that.
	9:17pm Richard from Venezuela: Greetings Dave and all the listeners.
	9:18pm slugluv1313: good evening Dave! yes, i am happy to be listening LIVE too! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
	9:19pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Been on an Expo70 binge ever since he played Sonic Circuits fest here in DC a few years back. Superior stuff.
	9:20pm Dave Mandl: Hey there, Richard. Thanks, @SL!
	9:22pm slugluv1313: YAY HUNGARY!!!!!!
	9:28pm Dave Mandl: Haha. I'm half Hungarian myself, and so is my wife.
	9:30pm slugluv1313: AWESOME! Hungarian-Gypsy-by-way-of-New-Jersey here :) do either of you speak Hungarian???
	9:32pm Dave Mandl: Not a word, unfortunately.
	9:37pm slugluv1313: me neither, although i totally recognize it when i hear it, thanks to my Mom and Grandma :) -- but when i was born, not considered a "good" thing to speak languages other than English in the US -- took Hungarian class at Hungarian House in Manhattan, hoo boy! some of those vowel sounds are like the combined sound of TWO Sanskrit vowels! FASCINATINg but difficult language!
	9:39pm 12539: 2%!
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: @SL1313: Yeah, I'd love to learn it sometime but TBH it wouldn't be practical, and it would take me ages.
	9:41pm Dave Mandl: @12539: I might have a few more tonight, but not many.
	9:41pm Droll: 12539, Lurker rule #1!
	9:43pm doca: so if you're half hungarian and your wife's too, so your children will be whole hungarian or only one quarter?
	9:45pm I X Key!: LOL
	9:46pm Mike Sin: !Happy birthday. Dave!
	9:47pm cklequ: If you and your wife are both half Hungarian, your children will be two thirds Scandinavian and one eighth Latvian. Simple physics.
	9:48pm doca: @cklequ: especially living in the new jersey/new york area. latvian by osmosis.
	9:49pm Dave Mandl: @Mike: Thanks, pal.
	9:50pm Dave Mandl: @cklequ: She's half too, isn't she? And 1/4 Italian and 1/4 Russian.
	9:53pm cklequ: I think it's 1/3 Russian... I can't think straight. I'm distracted by trying to decide what type of music my new band "Latvian By Osmosis" should play.
	9:55pm slugluv1313: checker music for Balinesians???
	9:57pm Dave Mandl: I'm half Russian, so my daughter's 1/4 Russian.
	9:57pm Snortley: There's some mysterious connection between Hungarian and Finnish, so you're perhaps in some way Scandinavian.
	9:58pm doca: @cklequ: you can check on wikipedia's list of musical genres, as explored by trouble during the marathon.
	10:01pm 12539: Dave, I think she's 25% Italian, 25% Russian, 48% Hungarian, and 2% rock and roll.
	10:02pm doca: hahah
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Hahahahahahaha.
	10:02pm Rev. Turnip Druid: English on both sides, my wife is English/Dutch & some other odds & ends, yet our pup is 100% boxer. Sounds like someone was teepee-creeping, as they say.
	10:02pm slugluv1313: true, when i was studying Hungarian, one thing we learned was that Finnish is one of the few (perhaps the ONLY???) languages on the planet that is even remotely similar to Hungarian!
	10:03pm Rev. Turnip Druid: god, love this Stitt track.
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: Actually, 90% hip-hop.
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: @SL: Yes, Finno-Ugrian family.
	10:04pm doca: @slugluv: does hungarian possess also all those declinations which finnish has?
	10:04pm G: Nothing mysterious. Hungarian and Finnish may go back to a common ancestor language in pre-writing times. People have been arguing that since the 19th century, but it's not 100% accepted even today. Time will tell...: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:05pm Snortley: Also, Japanese and Semitic languages are related, oddly enough, so break out the Wasabi.
	10:05pm G: The article I linked to gives summaries of some of the similarities, doca...
	10:06pm Snortley: Actually, the theory of a common language is far from agreed upon by linguists.
	10:07pm doca: certainly those languages have more differences between them than the differences between the indo-european languages
	10:10pm G: Like I said, Snortley, time will tell :) But people have been noticing and speculating about the similarities since the 18th century... In the 1980s it was taught in garden-variety linguistics courses as a "hypothesis," unproven and subject to subsequent confirmation or refutation. It's no more pinned down either way today... But there's been a lot more theorizing in the last 20 years about pre-writing linguistic reconstruction than there was in the middle of the 20th century...
	10:12pm slugluv1313: i just read that! re: Hungarian being related to Sumerian, Japanese, etc. -- but apparently dismissed by linguistics? hhmmm . . . the plot thickens . . . and OF COURSE some friends over the years have half-jokingly claimed that Hungarians really ARE aliens :)
	10:13pm slugluv1313: @ doca -- oh gosh, i do not know! i did not get to continue my studies :( (BUT certainly want to when finances permit!)
	10:14pm 12539: I heard somewhere that language is a virus.
	10:15pm slugluv1313: here is the link from Wiki: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:16pm Snortley: Yes, there are linguistic remains in modern languages that can be tied to archaeological evidence. However the "evidence" of a common ancestor tongue is tenuous at best. Most of what has been found in remote linguistic connections turns out to be connected to migrations.
	10:17pm slugluv1313: and more FUN with HUNGARIAN! :) www.omniglot.com...
	10:18pm fleep: Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language and of one speech. That settles that.
	10:18pm Droll: There is no language in our lungs... No we're leaving nothing, just chiselled stones
	10:22pm Droll: If there is one root language, will it be called Pangean?
	10:23pm Snortley: Unlike the ancients, we don't chisel stones much, and thanks to computers, we may leave little behind at all. Even our architecture is perishable and will be found only as heaps of brick and broken glass.
	10:28pm osvi: Happy birthday, Dave! Thanks for the musical gifts!
	10:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Happy Easter! Rabbit is here! ...This is not an easter egg I'm bouncing in my paw, however... - Tolkien based a lot of his Elvish on Finnish - & their epic Kalevala influenced him - anybody didn't know. Tolkien was an Oxford Philologist - but an odd one out in those times as he put emphasis on ancient things as Literature not just Linguistics. - Joyeux Arien Solar Return - !!! [transl.: Happy B-Day] - Fellow Comrade in the Army of Dave - !!!
	10:29pm Dave Mandl: @osvi: Thanks!
	10:29pm Dave Mandl: @RR: Wow, thanks!
	10:31pm G: @Droll: The caveat is that not a few scientific linguists think there is no way to reconstruct "Proto-World," if it even existed (language could have started separately in different places, not in one place). One major speculative hypothesis about possibly connecting Indo-European, other Eurasiatic languages, and even some other language macrofamilies, is Nostratic ("Our" human language): en.wikipedia.org...
	10:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Are the Finnish Skandinavian? ...First I thot I heard that they did not relate to other Skandi.s or Germanics - but rather to Asians, possibly even Koreans. - If one looks @ a North Polar Projection of the Globe/Earth - looking down @ the Map from over the North Pole - these things may make more sense. - But then I've read quite different things in the FMU Comments Boards here - that it's related to Hungarian, yeah, & other little East European/former Soviet countries... Is F.S.er Caryn Finnish? She is like - scary - w/ Languages, yes - ?!?! ...So now I wonder if what I heard was talking about the Language Finnish & not the people...hmm...or just rubbish &/or I misheard/misremember... - Russians are more Viking than people think, no? Or Russia was settled by them? Prob/ invaded - like everywhere else...'Rus' means 'Red'.
	10:40pm Droll: G, Geneticists are definitely able to reconstruct the ancestry of extinct plant/animal species and reason about their ages and interactions over time through just DNA. All of Google translate is done through statistical analysis of translated UN documents, those methods are also clearly very effective. The problem is probably not how to reconstruct Pangean, but the lack of written historical record for analysis to do it.
	10:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - As for the People - Genetic Science is gonna be wunna the things that rocks the 21st century like other things rocked the 20th. ...Mitochondrial DNA does not change from mother-to-mother, so they can follow Racial connections all over the place...
	10:44pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): As a regular user of the comment boards, please understand that I include myself in any insult in this comment, but there is truly a million-monkeys thing going on here -- given enough playlist chatter, every now and then something truly fascinating emerges. I have been fascinated lurking on this one.
	10:45pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): Also, I quickly read above, "Russians are more Viking than people."
	10:47pm G: Yes, Droll, the ongoing accumulation of databases of deep-time genetic information is part of what extremely distant-time language-reconstructing linguists are working with -- above and beyond the historical sound-change reconstruction that they have used to do "comparative linguistics" and "historical linguistics"since the late 1700s. I got my 23andme.com genetic text last year when they lowered the price to 99 bucks. I am 2.something percent neanderthal, as you can tell by the scabs on my knuckles from where they drag on the sidewalk. More recently I seem to be mostly Viking and Celtic.
	10:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Compared to where, Pete - ?!? - I think it's more about how serious anybody wants to be @ a given time - but seems to me it's top-heavy w/ Smart Babies around here - ! ...You & I may well have a different standard about that, of course!...I feel quite an uncooth unshooled hayseed hereabouts - a good %-age of the time...
	10:49pm G: @Pete: Get me on a topic I know something about, and you never know what I might say. I've published on language in academic journals since the 90s, and I studied linguistics as an undergrad at U of Michigan back when it had a leading linguistics program, though I was too young and dumb to take full advantage at that time (I was more interested in literature in them days)...
	10:50pm Droll: G, Wow! You're the first people I know who wanted to peek at the last page of the Book of Life. What did it say? What's your expiration date?
	10:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: $99 - !! ...That's interesting John Carpenter handled all those aspects of the moviemusic...
	10:52pm G: Yeah, RR, it used to be closer to 500ish///
	10:54pm G: @Droll: All knowledge that is now considered generally accepted and common sense started as weird speculation at some point (e.g., diseases are caused by microscopic germs, and so many other examples). Heteroclite can become mainstream, given enough time, and actual truth that proves out. So there's hope for us weirdos.
	10:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...People in general have no idea what's coming @ them w/ Genetic Science...They could do just such an analysis from a single hair - or even what you leave on things after a meal.
	10:56pm Spaniel: This is a bit random but I started a bit of internet searching related to Algebra Suicide (I had listened to them years ago but had forgotten about them) and found a couple things coincidental. First, this interesting discussion by a couple writers and former WFMU DJ, www.inotherwordsmerida.com... Then, buried deep in the comments of this discussion: launch.groups.yahoo.com... someone mentioning an association with Lydia Tomkiw through Dave Mandl's friend.
	10:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes!: Totally random to actually reference the actual Music being played! : P
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, we had a bunch of friends in common (inc. former FMU DJ Bart Plantenga). When she moved to NY we became pretty good friends.
	10:59pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): My tired brain can't keep up, but this might be the first comment list I come back and read through the next day to see what I missed. Good show, Dave! Happy birthday!
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Jose Padua (a mutual friend) wrote a nice piece about her for the Brooklyn Rail, where I'm music editor. It should be Google-able.
	11:00pm Dave Mandl: @Pete: Glad to hear it. And thanks!
	11:01pm Droll: G, Yes, science changes one funeral at a time. I, for one, shall never revoke my membership in the Flat Earth Society. ...And people keep talking about music that goes along with these comments boards. Is there a link?
	11:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - As for Comments Boards & Chatter - I find it interesting sometimes to see the relation between the Music being played & the Tone of the Chatter. The gab may not be on-topic as far as referencing the music directly - but they dance together... - Music, Playlist & Comments together are not exactly like anything else I know of - now that I reflect on it - !...
	11:03pm G: @Droll: My heteroclite comment was allegorically about WFMU 0:-)
	11:04pm G: Is "one funeral at a time" a covert reference to Kuhn's _Structure of Scientific Revolutions_? Because that fits.
	11:05pm G: Speaking of heteroclite: Ladies and gentleman, Mister HARRY PARTCH!
	11:06pm Spaniel: Thanks, Dave. Happy birthday and thanks for the interesting music tonight. Here's the article you mentioned: www.brooklynrail.org...
	11:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'heteroclite'... : Of all the Cards in the Deck, rather not be The Hermit - the one Monkey that knows Fire - but so it goes.
	11:10pm fleep: Normal sucks: knowledgeisnecessity.blogspot.com...
	11:11pm Dave Mandl: @Spaniel: Thanks and thanks.
	11:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..Once again - ! : - Weighing FMU's virtues as a life-affirming stimulant - vs. its' possible shortcomings as a suitable soporific. - Is to say - should I keep listening & crawl under covers, or choose another stream - or even something radical like no music @ all...
	11:13pm Droll: G, Not Kuhn, but it might as well be. I like the idea of the story of FMU told through allegory. Last year's epic flood, leaving Upsala for the Hobokenland, it's all great yarn.
	11:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AntiPilgrim's Regress
	11:17pm G: @Droll; There's no definite upper limit to the number of interesting things someone hasn't done yet... Imaginary library...
	11:19pm fleep: That's intense.
	11:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...this means Mr. Mandl that your Sun will be about where my Jupiter in my 9th House is - so makes sense you may mentor the expansion of my horizons - & all this in Aries - which I could see for foreward-thinkin' Avant (Aries wants to be First) as well as maybe 'direct' stuff...
	11:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - 'Imaginary library'... Who's that Hispanic author that does the short stories that are sort-of Kafkaesque (...maybe) & sees the world as lotsa Libraries...
	11:24pm RUBY: Made it home from work in time for the last bit of your show!
	11:25pm G: Borges
	11:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Jorge Luis Borges...
	11:36pm slugluv1313: H.N.A.S ! <3
	11:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: fleep's Link: ...'Dr Ghaemi is by no means the first to comment on the positive association between manic-depressive tendencies and outstanding achievement, but he goes much farther by calling “normal” into question'... - An old friend called people 'Dull Normals' - & that's just too handy - using it stuck w/ me. - There's all sorts of ways to be Creative - but generally the type is gonna tend to be either On or Off @ any time - obviously. Ya don't wanna be a snob - but some people have Highs others just plain can't see.
	11:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Trying to put my finger on what I like about this Program's style...but can't quite yet. - I like that it's Avant, but not dry? There's Substance & feeling as well? Not all Expiriments are a success, & Mr. Mandl's filters are good? ...Pretty much every FMU-J gets points for being varied & for their program pacing...
	11:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...it's not willfully weird - simply Smart & Tasteful?...
	11:55pm fleep: There's challenging music, and then there's aggressive music. The latter has overtones of contempt for the listener. The trick is balancing the challenging with some respite, ear sorbet between courses.
	11:57pm 12539: Thank you and Boldog Szulinapot, Dave.
	11:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx fleep!: ...whew - a dolphin didn't let me flounder on my own there... - Not that I'm the enemy of the willfully weird! Back to your article Link...
	11:59pm fleep: Thanks, Dave.
	11:59pm Dave Mandl: Thanks very much, folks.
	12:00am Dave Mandl: And thanks everyone for listening and chatting. Have a great week.
	12:00am Tommy: Great show, wonderfully mysterious
	12:01am slugluv1313: thank YOU, Dave! wonderful show!
	12:01am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...actually, I guess 'double-screening' is commonplace now - but FMU 'Radio' & Comments is first to engage me...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from March 31, 2013

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