WFMU: Irwin Chusid: Playlist from June 12, 2013

Listener comments!
	👻 3:00pm G: seems real to me. he just started a record and everything.
	👻 3:00pm rrg: So far I'm the only one here.
	👻 3:01pm G: yeah, you and what army? :p
	👻 3:01pm rrg: Me and my friend Gee, I mean.
	3:01pm fleep: Hoping for some space age bachelor pad in the lineup today. Hear that, NSA?
	3:02pm hamburger: me too, only one >here<
	👻 3:03pm G: that's more like it, buster :p and the NSA and BAH are here, too, trust me on that. i have a relative by marriage who's a BAH partner. i know what those dudes do, even though he only says with a smile, "well, if i told you, i'd have to kill you, and i don't want to do that." i'm sure that's what they tell them to say.
	👻 3:05pm rrg: Latin! I mean, Spanish.
	3:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: -OMG - you mean - someone might actually be LISTENING to this Broadcast - or reading what I Post on an open website - ?!? No one told me this...
	👻 3:06pm G: Omnia vincit amor, et nos cedamus amori (actual Latin :p)
	👻 3:06pm rrg: On Coronation Street, "Devendra" is a man's name. Is that true here as well? Sounds like it. Corrie's Devendra is not a Spanish speaker, though. And everyone calls him "Dev".
	👻 3:08pm AnAnonymousParty: If they are listening to the same conversations I overhear people having on their cellphones, just walking around ... well, they got their work cut out out trying to derive 'intelligence' from all that crap.
	3:09pm Sem Chumbo: 'It is unbelievable, to what extent one must betray a people in order to rule it.' Just quoting a guy who ought to know.
	3:09pm chhodgkins: crazy mashup
	👻 3:09pm rrg: This CCC fellow, he's pretty good.
	👻 3:09pm G: well, we could start referring to them as unintelligence services, then :)
	3:10pm chhodgkins: and here it is, the whole Revolver lp pashup: archive.org...
	3:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - 'we want information - information - !' ...careful what you wish for...
	3:12pm fleep: I am not a number ... no wait, I am. Sorry.
	3:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx chhodgkins!
	3:13pm phat: Great mix today!
	3:14pm Ike: RRG, in this case, yes, Devendra is a male, or more specifically, a squeaky, wildly overrated beardo hippie. Great set so far nonetheless!
	3:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - one hair from your head - or less, what you leave on utensils from a meal - anyone can have your entire genetic profile. - It will be another interesting Century...
	👻 3:15pm AnAnonymousParty: Could you play some "Betty Stands Up"?
	👻 3:15pm G: Music hath charms to sooth the savage commeneter
	👻 3:15pm rrg: It's nice to have the stuff on archive.org.
	👻 3:16pm rrg: I remember a time, in my lifetime, when one could not say "son of a bitch" on the radio.
	3:17pm common: quite a voice.
	👻 3:17pm G: Progress, rrg :p
	3:17pm Caryn: Is this FCC-approved? Or do you figure, "hell, with the NSA listening, who cares about the FCC!?"
	3:17pm phat: This is awful. It's not even awfulsome. But I guess it's entertaining, or something. :-)
	👻 3:17pm rrg: Thus Joey Bishop said "Son of a gun". A whole different feel to it, see? Nicer. More pleasant.
	3:17pm Listening Out There: Gentle Musics for Our Times...
	👻 3:18pm AnAnonymousParty: The only way Sonofabitch could be better would be if Yosemite Sam was singing.
	3:18pm Alison Porchnik: Notice the unmistakable homoeroticism of it.
	3:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & more anatomically accurate...
	👻 3:19pm rrg: It WASN'T Yosemite Sam?
	3:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Porky Pig did say 'sonnafabitch' once!
	3:20pm Ike: Caryn, for some reason, the word "bitch" does not run afoul of the authorities, at least not in the last 20-25 years or so. You have to head into "shit" or "fuck" or the nuclear-level C-word (the one that Brits throw around recklessly to our ears) to get their attention.
	👻 3:20pm rrg: "Homoeroticism" means "self-love", right? I mean, looking at the Greek roots and all that.
	3:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - the Puritans came over here to found a Nation, whilst they all grow up in pubs... - & autoeroticism is sex w/ cars...
	👻 3:21pm rrg: The Brits also say "shag" but I don't think they say it on television.
	3:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - yeah - you can get away w/ Briticisms over here - I say 'buggery crumpets!!' a lot...
	👻 3:23pm rrg: Double You Ef Em Blah.
	3:23pm Caryn: @Ike: well, I figured the word was fine, but suspected there might be a quota as to how many times in can be said in a given time. @rrg: they do say it on tv. Many is the pun about a long shag...
	3:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Eff Eff Eff Eff Eff Cee Cee - !!
	3:24pm Laura L: My dad used to say "Cripes" to avoid saying "Christ"; Lutheran upbringing.
	3:24pm KevinfromBayRidge: THEY couldn't possibly be monitoring Irwin. THEY couldn't handle the truth!
	👻 3:25pm G: Criminy.
	👻 3:25pm rrg: Ah. On Corrie they blanch at even saying "bloody", though once in a while they'll descend to those depths.
	👻 3:26pm rrg: And no arithmetic if you're in the Friendship Society, Irwin. Don't forget that.
	3:27pm phat: so, that was entertaining.
	3:27pm Droll: Shame on everyone who gives all their contacts, conversations, pictures, etc., to Facebook but complains about government monitoring. FB not only tricks users into doing all the information gathering for free, but cash in on it themselves.
	3:27pm Carmichael: So we can curse more frequently.
	3:29pm common: Drummer! Yep!
	3:29pm Ike: Droll, I just give Farcebook lots of false info. If I'm doing it right, Zuckerberg and the NSA think I'm a lumberjack.
	3:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Army invented the Internet in the 1st place.
	3:30pm Caryn: @rrg: bless their hearts, Corrie is in many ways the most quaintly old-timey of the soaps, I feel. Heck, even The Archers is edgier nowadays...
	3:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - yeah - I feel PunkDrumnmers got short shrift on the DrummersSpecial ('Only Need a Beat')...
	3:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - some Writer said (crap paraphrase) - Punk Drummers proceeded like Keith Moon was the only drummer ever. - YeeeHawww - ! : ) ....
	3:33pm Jeezy: Soooooooo excited for Joe Frank! Talk about a throwback to the ol' days of WFMU... Makes me long for some... KEN NORDINE too!!!
	3:33pm Haircut Swelch: Neferti is the best song I've heard all day
	3:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: SchoolHouseRock History! Cartoons Kick Ass...
	3:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nefertiti was very tidy.
	3:36pm phat: I've never heard anyone pronounce Nefertiti that way.
	3:36pm Caryn: Considering that Akhenaten had at least 4 wives, I think Nefertiti was used to him hanging out with other women from time to time. As long as she was number 1 wife, she didn't really mind.
	👻 3:36pm rrg: Nor I, phat.
	3:36pm Ike: Today's playlist image is not inaccurate, but could be misleading since the spying is fully bipartisan. Try this: www.latinopost.com...
	3:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & petite.
	3:37pm Droll: phat, Forget the pronunciation, I don't think those are even the lyrics from Miles' version.
	3:38pm Caryn: @phat & rrg: maybe they tried to avoid the pronunciation that sounds too much like "titty"... leading us back to our rude language discussion.
	👻 3:40pm rrg: I have a story about Finland but it's too long to write here. In that respect I guess it's like Fermat's Last Theorem.
	3:43pm phat: I was just obsessing about that Zep drum track with a bunch of friends the other day.
	3:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow Ike - ! ...Comes out looking like has Average Intelligence. ...Altho' 'Intelligence' in pertinent sense: Points to fact that Realities of 9/11 & War on Terror predated Obama Admin. buy a good bit - PBS' Frontline tells of how gobsmackingly vast the Intelligence Agencies have become since then : &www.pbs.org...
	3:46pm phat: caryn probaby were trying to avoid sounding naughty!
	👻 3:47pm rrg: Silver, not SIlver.
	3:48pm Irwin: FIxed.
	3:49pm fred: That W/Obama picture has been used a lot in scientific publications about morphing in the past, even when the morphing was of sounds and not images
	3:50pm Laura L: Uh-oh, here we go--"I Want A Spirit Machine"--fer cripessake, lowercase that indefinite article, would ya.
	3:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it's a well-done & affecting example.
	👻 3:51pm rrg: THanks.
	3:52pm Irwin: LL: dAmn, now looK what, I've starte.d
	👻 3:53pm rrg: Thank you for not accusing ME of having started it. I'm just doing my job.
	3:53pm Irwin: and I wasSN"t even singed in,
	👻 3:54pm rrg: How did that happen? Yeah, I get signed out too. Could be a Safari thing but I don't have enough evidence to sling my arrows at anyone in particular.
	3:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & of course, the technology zips along vertiginously; the issue of Privacy would be front & center even w/out 'The War on Terror'... - 1st capitalized articles in songnames - & next they'll be alphabetizing collections by Artists' 1st names...huff huff...
	👻 3:55pm rrg: That was a metaphor. How I hate having to explain myself.
	3:57pm Droll: rrg, Shouldn't that be "RRG"? Also, I believe the rule is to blame the user when software is faulty, not the other way around.
	👻 3:57pm G: Never complain, never explain.
	👻 3:58pm G: It's not a bug, it's a feature.
	3:59pm fleep: Got a feeling inside. Can't explain.
	👻 3:59pm rrg: If I don't know your tongue was in your cheek, I'd, why, I'd....
	👻 3:59pm rrg: That's ANOTHER metaphor.
	👻 4:00pm rrg: But not a sports metaphor. Let's stay away from those.
	4:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ⬆⬆...⬆.oO (...''twas brillig & the slithey toves'...) - these are literal arrows. ...Only the last one can read, tho'. He is a literate arrow...
	👻 4:00pm G: My tongue is no goddam rhetorical figure or trope, I'll thank you to know ---> :P
	4:02pm fleep: "Work in Progress," then "In The Dark," followed by "Somewhere out There", and finally "The Other Side."
	👻 4:02pm rrg: Stereo!
	4:03pm Laura L: Don't think I have ever been disappointed in Joe Frank. Got to see him in NYC couple of years (or more?) ago. Now everybody's gonna stop typing.
	4:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Thx fleep.
	4:04pm Webhamster Henry: also heard as the voice of the Computer in Galaxy Quest
	4:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: W.Henry - literally or metaphorically?
	4:11pm Caryn: @RRN63: oh, literally
	👻 4:13pm AnAnonymousParty: This is just a computer program spitting out random, but connected phrases, right?
	4:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - who Programmed it?
	4:15pm Stevel: Wow. Joe Frank. Holy Fuck. Thank you.
	4:16pm Caryn: @RRN63: since Joe Frank was also in "The Game", maybe he programmed it himself as part of some overly-complicated, paranoia-inducing plot?
	4:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'random, but connected' ? - This is like a 'comeback album' by a band you loved that is actually as good as the old stuff & all of us a different age... - Coming from you, Caryn? :P (metaphorical tongue)...
	👻 4:18pm AnAnonymousParty: "What? You say I'm getting a brain scan from Spinal Tap?"
	4:19pm common: this is scary. i've been feeling super lethargic of late and have thought about something like this. oh good.
	4:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it is as well-'Programmed' as Written...
	4:20pm Caryn: @RRN63; I will remain enigmatically silent on that matter, thus adding to the confusion. Whether this is part of the same plot, a different plot or no plot at all... we'll see.
	4:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...will we?
	4:22pm Caryn: enigmatic silence or maybe I'm just processing
	4:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - of course, he's been doing stuff - I just haven't been hearing it.
	👻 4:27pm G: ever heard of the supersecret consultancy Booz Allen Hamilton Joe Frank and Reynolds?
	👻 4:28pm AnAnonymousParty: Time is like a mean drunk.
	👻 4:28pm rrg: Jeebus but this is depressing.
	👻 4:30pm Alison Porchnik: I love this ice cream truck music. Excellent way to bring us back from the dark precipice of Joe Frank
	👻 4:30pm rrg: Yes, AP. But slowly back.
	4:31pm Droll: Are all the Joe Frank shows that heavy?
	4:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - does he (still??) live in L.A.? Strikes me as very L.A. - Yeah rrg, it's like what Lennon did for Marx, JoeFrank does for the Existentialists (& the Jewish dialecticians) - w/out the nice FreeWill affirmations part...
	4:31pm Caryn: @G: I'm aware of Booz Allen Hamilton, and I'm aware of Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds, but any similar combo? No.
	👻 4:33pm rrg: I think I'll listen to some George Winston after this.
	4:33pm fleep: Droll: there is humor, of a dark nature. My favorite episode is him playing a helicopter traffic reporter, and what starts as a minor accident on one freeway leads to a slow utter breakdown of civilization below, as he reports in the same AM radio drone.
	4:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - some have more or less Humor or Uplift - but not guaranteed on the Thinky label...
	4:34pm Laura L: Look on the bright side: the dark precipice is reliable.
	4:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Aging appropriate topic to being reintro'd after years (for me)...
	👻 4:35pm rrg: "Even as you draw your terminal breath..."
	👻 4:35pm AnAnonymousParty: Maybe we could get some Joe Franklin too?
	👻 4:36pm rrg: And our youngster, RRN63, speaks of aging...
	4:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 50 in Nov. is - 50.
	4:42pm fleep: RRN and shortly thereafter, the letter from AARP will arrive. Because they know. Of course.
	4:42pm Carmichael: That's Joe Frank, droll. Intense, but funny.
	👻 4:43pm G: @fleep: NSA just pulls them a list
	4:44pm Amos: I can't believe you're going to air A Conversation. Then again, Ken and Andy consistently offend their listeners every week, to great acclaim.
	4:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Are Answers better than Questions?' - hell - I think that is JoeFrank ...like when George Carlin died & I went over his stuff & realized how much I'd taken on was his...
	4:46pm Carmichael: AARP came after me when I was 47 or 48. I have yet to give in.
	4:49pm Droll: I see the dark humor in Joe Frank, but that was my first listen and I didn't expect it to be that heavy. And please stop it with the NSA surveillance! NSA may have weak and/or ineffective oversight, but Facebook only answers to shareholders whose only stated goal is to sell out the users. I know which one I trust less.
	👻 4:51pm AnAnonymousParty: "Questions are a burden to others. Answers are a burden to oneself."
	4:51pm Caryn: I can't think of a single FB "recommendation" or targeted ad that has fit me. Always makes me feel good, like I've managed to outsmart their profiling software.
	4:52pm Droll: Caryn, I do not find that kind of incompetence reassuring.
	👻 4:52pm AnAnonymousParty: If the NSA wanted to save money, and get better intel, they could just contract with google.
	4:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Obama ended the Torture & Secret Prisons, & has admitted no one to Guantanamo - & kept us pretty safe. - Yeah - hold admin.s accountable, w/ you all the way - but a little cred. where due? - Reassuring incompetence? Not what we thot in the J.Edgar/Nixon days - or the Reagan - or the Duhbya days...
	👻 4:54pm G: wasn't it clear already in the late 90s that self-termed web 2.0 was mainly a way to get "muppets" to volunteer to create and aggregate terabyte upon endless terabyte of web content for free, just to be "famous" -- which in turn in copiable, savable, and parsable for whatever reason forever, if nothing changes? on one of my liter. discussion lists back then there was a palo alto dude who was clanging the alarm about that nearly every week.
	👻 4:55pm G: why should they contract with google when they can mandate google to give them whatever. much easier and cheaper
	👻 4:56pm rrg: Same old story. It's only an outrage when the other guy (not "my guy") is doing it.
	4:57pm Caryn: @Droll: incompetence in many authorities wouldn't reassure me (except in the sense that they make vast conspiracies way less likely to occur - at least successfully), but when the point of a company in many ways is to delve into your data to try and sell you stuff and they fail at it miserably? Then it's a delight.
	👻 4:59pm G: the younguns will save us from this. they are not gonna stand for having every keystroke of their online presence and every cell call recorded for parsing forever. polling already shows that older people fall for the security argument much more so than under 40s
	5:00pm other david: Well worth checking out talks by William Binney & Thomas Drake on youtube - dubya era whistleblowers, the move towards mass collection of telecom/net data was happening even before 9/11, The kicker is, the public can't be roused to do anything about it, game over.
	5:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Google's Lawyer was on PBSNewshour last night :www.pbs.org... - in case you want to hear his Statement (perhaps to hold accountable). rrg: I do feel there's enuff History to make a judgement on each Party - & abundant material to do so (for each one). My ethical judgement, given a choice between only two: Left.
	👻 5:02pm rrg: There are more than two. You don't have to choose either of those two.
	5:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - but worth having this discussion: Oh yes!
	5:03pm Listening Out There: "We're not in Kansas anymore, Tornodo..."
	5:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - two that can Win (& have Won) (realpolitick) - altho' worth quoting Ron Paul or Ralph Nader occasionaly or something...
	5:05pm fleep: Just don't let Colussus talk to Guardian and everything'll be fine.
	5:06pm Caryn: After being transported to Oz by a tornoto, Dorothy says, "We're not in Tornoto anymore, Tornoto." It's like "smurf" in The Smurfs, works everywhere.
	5:06pm Caryn: Of course, Listening Out There was faster.
	5:07pm Droll: Caryn, The only "analysis" you see at FB is on behalf of deodorant, insurance and car companies, which is hardly representative of the information FB collects, mines, re-mines, re-re-mines, and sells to others to mine. Even if they suck today, they'll get better and they'll have more information by then, too. You do not have any say in the control of the records they keep on you, what they're used for, or how long they're kept. Mark my words: In the very near future all commercial telecommunications will be operated and paid for by advertising companies. Google is already in the phone business, and they already transcribe phone messages. In the future, they will offer free phone service and pay for it by listening in on your conversation and sending you ads about your conversation topics later.
	5:11pm Listening Out There: Goes to show, Caryn, that great thinks mind alike...
	5:13pm fleep: I think I see what Droll is saying. The government collecting data is there ostensbily to protect us, but it might be abused. Corporatism is there to specifically exploit us, it has no benefit to us, it's a vampire.
	👻 5:14pm rrg: It's a stylistic choice that I don't dispute but will merely ask: why are JOE FRANK and DREAMERS capitalized where they appear in the playlist?
	5:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - If they know I like blueberry yoghurt & Fender Stratocasters - even Playboy Playmates' bottoms - & I get Ads for those instead of laxatives - how is this bad?? - However : - Opt In is presumed, not Opt Out. - Long scrolling 'Contracts' don't count for real human beings. - The Civil Rights we already have (read the Bill of Rights lately? 'Search & Seizure'?? Digitally??) need to be correlated to the changing tech.
	5:14pm Caryn: @Droll: true, but I guess speaking a relatively obscure language and being poor as dirt, I'm less concerned about those matters than you might be. "Yeah, sure, spend your time and money trying to sell me stuff! Doesn't matter, since I can't afford it anyway."
	5:15pm Irwin: @rrg: SPECIAL FEATURE
	5:15pm Caryn: @rrg: because he's so great? Or because broadcasting his stuff is a capital idea?
	👻 5:15pm rrg: If one doesn't think there is any benefit to using FB or Google or whatever, then surely one shouldn't use them.
	5:16pm Amos: Because it's an excuse for Irwin to write in all caps. A rare treat indeed.
	5:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - we all know that 'but it might be abused' means it will be abused, here or there, sooner or later.
	5:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Justice so often goes to the HighestBidder.
	5:20pm blee: Ah.... Sun Ra.
	5:20pm northguineahills: Caryn, you speak Kusunda as well as Finnish? Didn't know you were so old! hotword.dictionary.com... (obscure language).
	5:21pm fleep: Thank you, Davey Downer.
	👻 5:21pm rrg: Caryn's not old. Unless she's been dissembling.
	5:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - as has been noted - a FreeMarket can be dandy - but what we have is a MarketSociety - in which not a thing counts but the Price of anything or anyone - & the changing Tech follows along... - As Sun Ra said - this Planet isn't ready yet for the LivingMyth!...
	5:22pm northguineahills: The last speaker of Kasunda is 76 years old.
	5:24pm Caryn: @ngh: that's why I said "relatively obscure" and not "obscure" ;) BTW, congrats on the interviews!
	👻 5:24pm rrg: Is it Kusunda or Kasunda? Don't make me look it up!
	5:24pm Caryn: Kusunda
	5:25pm Carmichael: Man, I came back to a heavy argument. A friend of mine still pays his bills by check, by U.S. Mail. He says he doesn't want his information "to get online". I don't even know where to begin a conversation about the inanity of that idea.
	👻 5:26pm rrg: Sometimes I feel proud of my whistling competence. Then Irwin plays THIS guy.
	5:26pm northguineahills: link provided, trying to multitask.... Thanks, Caryn!
	5:27pm blee: Ocobar drummer is bad ass!
	5:27pm Carmichael: When I was a kid, I was awed by the whistling prowess of the guy in the supermarket who watered the vegetables. He was truly awesome, and put on a show for the housewives.
	👻 5:27pm rrg: I don't know why you would say he has a bad ass. Why would you say such a thing? How can you know?
	5:28pm Webhamster Henry: Note: cat is enjoying this music.
	5:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - his intonation & phrasing sound like an instrument - which of course it is...
	👻 5:29pm rrg: I'm not a cat person but I co-exist peacefully with them as long as we can all agree that those Meow Mix commercials are REPULSIVE.
	5:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - named of course for Flamin'Groovies song&album - bitchin' PsychPop! ☆
	5:32pm Laura L: Ok, this cat talk means I have to point out the 2-faced kitten born in Oregon (Irwin doesn't like it--too creepy)... http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50148770n
	5:33pm Irwin: NO!! DON'T LOOK!!!11!
	5:33pm northguineahills: I like chicken, ...... I like liver...... Meow Mix, Meow Mix, .... please deliver (as if done as a piano ballad).
	👻 5:35pm rrg: It's a world of laughter, a world of tears. It's a world of hopes and a world of fears. There's so much that we share that it's time we're aware: it's a small world after all!
	👻 5:36pm rrg: Oh, my goodness. I'm happy to hear this.
	5:36pm Caryn: @Laura L: there's a famous adult cat like that. They sadly very seldom live for very long. But the kitten seems to clearly have one main, functioning head, and a secondary face. I wonder whether this will change with time, or is how it will remain.
	👻 5:37pm G: I can't face that.
	5:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I thot that just happened on Melvins albumcovers...
	5:38pm blee: @rrg I could smell the funk on the beats.
	5:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - you mean you can't faceface that...
	5:38pm Listening Out There: RE Python: I hope to see the Graham Chapman documentary soon.
	5:38pm Laura L: That's right, they usually don't make it, but this one may have a chance, with all the parts otherwise in good working order. Meow mixup!
	👻 5:39pm rrg: This is the kind of radio I would want to do if I did radio.
	5:40pm fleep: Call it Ray'n'Rosey
	5:41pm Listening Out There: Years back, I saw Chapman at a university. He showed slides of bungie jumping. First I'd heard of it, it was that long ago.
	5:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - the highest praise. - I kept ☆ing Python, it kept going out - like a trick birthday candle...
	5:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - in reverse, I suppose...
	5:42pm Caryn: @Laura L: yeah, I think if the kitten really has only one functioning head, and the other is more just for appearances, it stands a better chance at survival. With two functioning faces, feeding, brain function and such become problematic. Although the famous adult one has two functioning faces.
	👻 5:43pm rrg: That's a good idea. I'll star it too. Except there are other things I like just as much and didn't star. Oh, well.
	👻 5:44pm rrg: You-all can all talk about freak cats. The rest of us will talk about the radio program.
	5:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - more ammo for Neil deGrasse Tyson's argument against Intelligent Design (birth defects)...
	5:45pm Laura L: Well, some of these jazz musicians are kinda freaky cats.
	5:45pm fleep: maybe Intelligent Design has Mondays like everyone else
	👻 5:45pm rrg: And how about this gorgeous weather? Finally some sunshine at last!
	👻 5:46pm rrg: And those cicadas! Oh my goodness the NOISE! And they still haven't peaked.
	5:46pm fleep: I am looking forward to a regular dose of Horace Silver for the remaining decade and beyond.
	👻 5:47pm rrg: We need some tree work done but the tree guy came today, and sonofagun he quoted us a real good price.
	5:48pm Caryn: @rrg: well, if the theory floated earlier about cat videos being full of covert intel turns out to be correct, paying attention to them can't be a bad thing.
	5:49pm northguineahills: I wonder what would cut short the career of a young Japanese male jazz musician in 1942?
	5:50pm Laura L: I got a "Service Call" today with a message that said I could get a discount on a security system if I let them put a sign in my YARD. My yard. In downtown Manhattan.
	👻 5:50pm rrg: The Arkestra in the Arkives. Heh.
	👻 5:51pm rrg: Demand the discount anyway, Laura.
	5:51pm northguineahills: My yard is my fire escape.
	5:51pm Droll: If Rashaan Roland Kirk was a two-faced cat, he could have played four horns at once -- an entire sax section. Lots of great jazz today.
	5:52pm Caryn: I'm almost expecting a bad joke about "Yeah, we're all in this lifeboat together, but no-one will eat me."
	5:52pm Listening Out There: I got a telemarketing call a little while ago. The usual call center noise in the background and the fella on the other end said "Hi, my name is Honda" and he hung up. Bit of an identity problem there, that...
	5:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I'm gonna be all Overt, 'cause I didn't get it ; Pink Anderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Anderson‎ Pink Anderson or Floyd Council - these were a few amongst the many blues singers that were to be heard in the rolling hills of the Piedmont, or meandering with ... - 'Pink Floyd' contracted the 1st names...
	5:55pm bloopy: is this teenage fancluB>?>
	👻 5:55pm rrg: Wow, look at the time. What happened? Who knows where the time goes? Which makes me hope that we'll hear some Sandy Denny next time.
	👻 5:56pm rrg: Au revoir, fellow travellers. Or travelers. Whatever we are. Eat hearty. Sleep well.
	5:57pm fleep: Thanks, Irwin.
	5:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - poor telemarketers - to resort to such a job... - I did it to try & survive in Santa Barbara, CA (pricey, few jobs) - not 'cold-calling' where they call you - but B.S. nonetheless... - I'm proud to say I'm a totally crap salesman... - 1st, the answering machine: I will answer if I please...
	5:57pm Caryn: A co-worker today told me about his days as a telemarketer, and how they would get so bored with the job, they'd start making comedic calls with fake names. (Using their mobile phones, not the headsets, to avoid having the calls recorded.) And how they'd especially look forward to Friday afternoons, when the bosses would go home early, and they could goof off on the phone very freely.
	👻 5:58pm rrg: Yes, okay, thanks, Irwin. But that's understood. (Isn't it?)
	5:58pm Droll: Have a fun week all. Remember to apply risk/reward, cost/benefit, and love/outrage reasoning uniformly. ...and that a laptop is not a musical instrument! Listen to more jazz (and orchestral) music between Irwin shows!
	5:58pm Laura L: To add to RRG: and if you see the dark precipice, as the Yes We Scan has it: Deal with it.
	5:59pm fleep: Brush your teeth and floss!
	5:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - they busted all those places in Santa Barbara wide open.
	7:43am Chris from Stroud, England: Enjoyed the show whilst working at my desk at home in England. Particularly liked Joe Frank, Horace Silver and that Velvet Underground cut. Thanks for a great vibe dude!

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June 12, 2013: I'm not a real DJ but I play one on the radio.

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"Here’s a question I asked myself: Would I rather have my phone records collected and readied for possible inspection by the National Security Agency, or have my genitalia scrutinized by the Transportation Security Administration? One answer is, why choose? In today’s America you can have both." — Jeffrey Goldberg

Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Lee Morgan	Yes I Can, No You Can't (edit)	The Gigolo	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Natalia Lafourcade and Devendra Banhart	Amor, Amor de Mis Amores	Mujer Divina - Homenaje a Agustín Lara	0:03:59 (Pop-up)
The Beatles vs. Goldfrapp vs. Norman Greenbaum (ccc mix)	I Want a Spirit Machine	Revolved (ccc mash-up of Revolver album)	0:07:27 (Pop-up)
Veronica Falls	My Heart Beats "My Heart Beats" by "Veronica Falls"	Waiting for Something to Happen	0:11:08 (Pop-up)
Suthrn Cuzn	Sonofabitch "Sonofabitch" by "Suthrn Cuzn"	Kiss'n Cuzns	0:14:20 (Pop-up)
Prince Ness	Grungy Doll "Grungy Doll" by "Prince Ness"	Grungy Doll EP	0:16:56 (Pop-up)

Suthrn Cuzn with DJ Hellvetica	Sonofabitch	SOB NRG	0:25:19 (Pop-up)
Tera Melos	Surf Nazis "Surf Nazis" by "Tera Melos"	X'ed Out	0:26:34 (Pop-up)
Dixon DeVore	Nefertiti "Nefertiti" by "Dixon DeVore"	The Dixon DeVore Collection	0:30:13 (Pop-up)
Gong	Pothead Pixies "Pothead Pixies" by "Gong"	Flying Teapot: Radio Gnome Invisible Pt. 1	0:35:31 (Pop-up)
Wild Nothing	The Body in Rainfall	Empty Estate	0:38:26 (Pop-up)

Horace Silver	The Outlaw "The Outlaw" by "Horace Silver"	Further Explorations	0:44:54 (Pop-up)
Carol Saboya	Bola de Meia, Bola de Gude (Sock Ball and Marbles)	Belezas	0:50:21 (Pop-up)
Ahmad Jamal	Rica Pulpa "Rica Pulpa" by "Ahmad Jamal"	The Legendary Okeh & Epic Recordings	0:55:01 (Pop-up)

Milcho Leviev	Ice Cream Truck (comp. Eddie Harris)	Bulgarian Piano Blues	1:27:48 (Pop-up)

Metric	Help I'm Alive (iTunes Session)	iTunes Session	1:36:46 (Pop-up)
Velvet Underground	Walk and Talk "Walk and Talk" by "Velvet Underground"	Loaded (Fully Loaded Edition)	1:41:26 (Pop-up)
Brothers in Law	Childhood "Childhood" by "Brothers in Law"	Hard Times for Dreamers	1:44:35 (Pop-up)
Django Bates	Teach Me Tonight "Teach Me Tonight" by "Django Bates"	Quiet Nights	1:48:25 (Pop-up)
Anderson East	Better "Better" by "Anderson East"	Flowers of the Broken Hearted	1:51:51 (Pop-up)
Sendam Rawkustra	Musical Cheers "Musical Cheers" by "Sendam Rawkustra"	Greatest Hits!/Who's Mad?	1:55:09 (Pop-up)

Marshall Crenshaw	Ready Right Now	#447	2:04:47 (Pop-up)
The Anderson Council	Gardening Man	Looking at the Stars	2:09:05 (Pop-up)
Luke Bryan	All My Friends Say "All My Friends Say" by "Luke Bryan"	I'll Stay Me	2:12:38 (Pop-up)
Sun Ra and the Arkestra	Reflections in Blue	Sound of Joy	2:16:28 (Pop-up)
Ocobar featuring Geert Chatrou (world champion whistler)	Whistle Sizzle	Strange Flute	2:23:23 (Pop-up)
Shake Some Action!	The Girl with the Sun in Her Eyes	Full Fathom Five	2:26:54 (Pop-up)
Claire Judice and Caleb	Yuck Yogurt Bar	Space and Other Stories	2:30:35 (Pop-up)
Loftin	So What "So What" by "Loftin"	Retro Carnival	2:31:34 (Pop-up)
Monty Python	Lifeboat "Lifeboat" by "Monty Python"	Another Monty Python Record	2:36:31 (Pop-up)
Koichi Sugii	Yagi-Bushi "Yagi-Bushi" by "Koichi Sugii"	Japanese Jazz & Salon Music 1936-1941, Vol. 3	2:37:22 (Pop-up)
Gil Evans Orchestra (actually the Cecil Taylor Septet)	Pots	Into the Hot	2:40:26 (Pop-up)

Lightships	Muddy Rivers "Muddy Rivers" by "Lightships"	Electric Cables	2:51:00 (Pop-up)
Electric Willy	Her Father's Love "Her Father's Love" by "Electric Willy"	Blorp Essette (L.A.F.M.S.)	2:55:38 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	👻 3:00pm G: seems real to me. he just started a record and everything.
	👻 3:00pm rrg: So far I'm the only one here.
	👻 3:01pm G: yeah, you and what army? :p
	👻 3:01pm rrg: Me and my friend Gee, I mean.
	3:01pm fleep: Hoping for some space age bachelor pad in the lineup today. Hear that, NSA?
	3:02pm hamburger: me too, only one >here<
	👻 3:03pm G: that's more like it, buster :p and the NSA and BAH are here, too, trust me on that. i have a relative by marriage who's a BAH partner. i know what those dudes do, even though he only says with a smile, "well, if i told you, i'd have to kill you, and i don't want to do that." i'm sure that's what they tell them to say.
	👻 3:05pm rrg: Latin! I mean, Spanish.
	3:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: -OMG - you mean - someone might actually be LISTENING to this Broadcast - or reading what I Post on an open website - ?!? No one told me this...
	👻 3:06pm G: Omnia vincit amor, et nos cedamus amori (actual Latin :p)
	👻 3:06pm rrg: On Coronation Street, "Devendra" is a man's name. Is that true here as well? Sounds like it. Corrie's Devendra is not a Spanish speaker, though. And everyone calls him "Dev".
	👻 3:08pm AnAnonymousParty: If they are listening to the same conversations I overhear people having on their cellphones, just walking around ... well, they got their work cut out out trying to derive 'intelligence' from all that crap.
	3:09pm Sem Chumbo: 'It is unbelievable, to what extent one must betray a people in order to rule it.' Just quoting a guy who ought to know.
	3:09pm chhodgkins: crazy mashup
	👻 3:09pm rrg: This CCC fellow, he's pretty good.
	👻 3:09pm G: well, we could start referring to them as unintelligence services, then :)
	3:10pm chhodgkins: and here it is, the whole Revolver lp pashup: archive.org...
	3:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - 'we want information - information - !' ...careful what you wish for...
	3:12pm fleep: I am not a number ... no wait, I am. Sorry.
	3:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx chhodgkins!
	3:13pm phat: Great mix today!
	3:14pm Ike: RRG, in this case, yes, Devendra is a male, or more specifically, a squeaky, wildly overrated beardo hippie. Great set so far nonetheless!
	3:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - one hair from your head - or less, what you leave on utensils from a meal - anyone can have your entire genetic profile. - It will be another interesting Century...
	👻 3:15pm AnAnonymousParty: Could you play some "Betty Stands Up"?
	👻 3:15pm G: Music hath charms to sooth the savage commeneter
	👻 3:15pm rrg: It's nice to have the stuff on archive.org.
	👻 3:16pm rrg: I remember a time, in my lifetime, when one could not say "son of a bitch" on the radio.
	3:17pm common: quite a voice.
	👻 3:17pm G: Progress, rrg :p
	3:17pm Caryn: Is this FCC-approved? Or do you figure, "hell, with the NSA listening, who cares about the FCC!?"
	3:17pm phat: This is awful. It's not even awfulsome. But I guess it's entertaining, or something. :-)
	👻 3:17pm rrg: Thus Joey Bishop said "Son of a gun". A whole different feel to it, see? Nicer. More pleasant.
	3:17pm Listening Out There: Gentle Musics for Our Times...
	👻 3:18pm AnAnonymousParty: The only way Sonofabitch could be better would be if Yosemite Sam was singing.
	3:18pm Alison Porchnik: Notice the unmistakable homoeroticism of it.
	3:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & more anatomically accurate...
	👻 3:19pm rrg: It WASN'T Yosemite Sam?
	3:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Porky Pig did say 'sonnafabitch' once!
	3:20pm Ike: Caryn, for some reason, the word "bitch" does not run afoul of the authorities, at least not in the last 20-25 years or so. You have to head into "shit" or "fuck" or the nuclear-level C-word (the one that Brits throw around recklessly to our ears) to get their attention.
	👻 3:20pm rrg: "Homoeroticism" means "self-love", right? I mean, looking at the Greek roots and all that.
	3:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - the Puritans came over here to found a Nation, whilst they all grow up in pubs... - & autoeroticism is sex w/ cars...
	👻 3:21pm rrg: The Brits also say "shag" but I don't think they say it on television.
	3:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - yeah - you can get away w/ Briticisms over here - I say 'buggery crumpets!!' a lot...
	👻 3:23pm rrg: Double You Ef Em Blah.
	3:23pm Caryn: @Ike: well, I figured the word was fine, but suspected there might be a quota as to how many times in can be said in a given time. @rrg: they do say it on tv. Many is the pun about a long shag...
	3:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Eff Eff Eff Eff Eff Cee Cee - !!
	3:24pm Laura L: My dad used to say "Cripes" to avoid saying "Christ"; Lutheran upbringing.
	3:24pm KevinfromBayRidge: THEY couldn't possibly be monitoring Irwin. THEY couldn't handle the truth!
	👻 3:25pm G: Criminy.
	👻 3:25pm rrg: Ah. On Corrie they blanch at even saying "bloody", though once in a while they'll descend to those depths.
	👻 3:26pm rrg: And no arithmetic if you're in the Friendship Society, Irwin. Don't forget that.
	3:27pm phat: so, that was entertaining.
	3:27pm Droll: Shame on everyone who gives all their contacts, conversations, pictures, etc., to Facebook but complains about government monitoring. FB not only tricks users into doing all the information gathering for free, but cash in on it themselves.
	3:27pm Carmichael: So we can curse more frequently.
	3:29pm common: Drummer! Yep!
	3:29pm Ike: Droll, I just give Farcebook lots of false info. If I'm doing it right, Zuckerberg and the NSA think I'm a lumberjack.
	3:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Army invented the Internet in the 1st place.
	3:30pm Caryn: @rrg: bless their hearts, Corrie is in many ways the most quaintly old-timey of the soaps, I feel. Heck, even The Archers is edgier nowadays...
	3:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - yeah - I feel PunkDrumnmers got short shrift on the DrummersSpecial ('Only Need a Beat')...
	3:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - some Writer said (crap paraphrase) - Punk Drummers proceeded like Keith Moon was the only drummer ever. - YeeeHawww - ! : ) ....
	3:33pm Jeezy: Soooooooo excited for Joe Frank! Talk about a throwback to the ol' days of WFMU... Makes me long for some... KEN NORDINE too!!!
	3:33pm Haircut Swelch: Neferti is the best song I've heard all day
	3:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: SchoolHouseRock History! Cartoons Kick Ass...
	3:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nefertiti was very tidy.
	3:36pm phat: I've never heard anyone pronounce Nefertiti that way.
	3:36pm Caryn: Considering that Akhenaten had at least 4 wives, I think Nefertiti was used to him hanging out with other women from time to time. As long as she was number 1 wife, she didn't really mind.
	👻 3:36pm rrg: Nor I, phat.
	3:36pm Ike: Today's playlist image is not inaccurate, but could be misleading since the spying is fully bipartisan. Try this: www.latinopost.com...
	3:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & petite.
	3:37pm Droll: phat, Forget the pronunciation, I don't think those are even the lyrics from Miles' version.
	3:38pm Caryn: @phat & rrg: maybe they tried to avoid the pronunciation that sounds too much like "titty"... leading us back to our rude language discussion.
	👻 3:40pm rrg: I have a story about Finland but it's too long to write here. In that respect I guess it's like Fermat's Last Theorem.
	3:43pm phat: I was just obsessing about that Zep drum track with a bunch of friends the other day.
	3:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow Ike - ! ...Comes out looking like has Average Intelligence. ...Altho' 'Intelligence' in pertinent sense: Points to fact that Realities of 9/11 & War on Terror predated Obama Admin. buy a good bit - PBS' Frontline tells of how gobsmackingly vast the Intelligence Agencies have become since then : &www.pbs.org...
	3:46pm phat: caryn probaby were trying to avoid sounding naughty!
	👻 3:47pm rrg: Silver, not SIlver.
	3:48pm Irwin: FIxed.
	3:49pm fred: That W/Obama picture has been used a lot in scientific publications about morphing in the past, even when the morphing was of sounds and not images
	3:50pm Laura L: Uh-oh, here we go--"I Want A Spirit Machine"--fer cripessake, lowercase that indefinite article, would ya.
	3:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it's a well-done & affecting example.
	👻 3:51pm rrg: THanks.
	3:52pm Irwin: LL: dAmn, now looK what, I've starte.d
	👻 3:53pm rrg: Thank you for not accusing ME of having started it. I'm just doing my job.
	3:53pm Irwin: and I wasSN"t even singed in,
	👻 3:54pm rrg: How did that happen? Yeah, I get signed out too. Could be a Safari thing but I don't have enough evidence to sling my arrows at anyone in particular.
	3:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & of course, the technology zips along vertiginously; the issue of Privacy would be front & center even w/out 'The War on Terror'... - 1st capitalized articles in songnames - & next they'll be alphabetizing collections by Artists' 1st names...huff huff...
	👻 3:55pm rrg: That was a metaphor. How I hate having to explain myself.
	3:57pm Droll: rrg, Shouldn't that be "RRG"? Also, I believe the rule is to blame the user when software is faulty, not the other way around.
	👻 3:57pm G: Never complain, never explain.
	👻 3:58pm G: It's not a bug, it's a feature.
	3:59pm fleep: Got a feeling inside. Can't explain.
	👻 3:59pm rrg: If I don't know your tongue was in your cheek, I'd, why, I'd....
	👻 3:59pm rrg: That's ANOTHER metaphor.
	👻 4:00pm rrg: But not a sports metaphor. Let's stay away from those.
	4:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ⬆⬆...⬆.oO (...''twas brillig & the slithey toves'...) - these are literal arrows. ...Only the last one can read, tho'. He is a literate arrow...
	👻 4:00pm G: My tongue is no goddam rhetorical figure or trope, I'll thank you to know ---> :P
	4:02pm fleep: "Work in Progress," then "In The Dark," followed by "Somewhere out There", and finally "The Other Side."
	👻 4:02pm rrg: Stereo!
	4:03pm Laura L: Don't think I have ever been disappointed in Joe Frank. Got to see him in NYC couple of years (or more?) ago. Now everybody's gonna stop typing.
	4:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Thx fleep.
	4:04pm Webhamster Henry: also heard as the voice of the Computer in Galaxy Quest
	4:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: W.Henry - literally or metaphorically?
	4:11pm Caryn: @RRN63: oh, literally
	👻 4:13pm AnAnonymousParty: This is just a computer program spitting out random, but connected phrases, right?
	4:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - who Programmed it?
	4:15pm Stevel: Wow. Joe Frank. Holy Fuck. Thank you.
	4:16pm Caryn: @RRN63: since Joe Frank was also in "The Game", maybe he programmed it himself as part of some overly-complicated, paranoia-inducing plot?
	4:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'random, but connected' ? - This is like a 'comeback album' by a band you loved that is actually as good as the old stuff & all of us a different age... - Coming from you, Caryn? :P (metaphorical tongue)...
	👻 4:18pm AnAnonymousParty: "What? You say I'm getting a brain scan from Spinal Tap?"
	4:19pm common: this is scary. i've been feeling super lethargic of late and have thought about something like this. oh good.
	4:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - it is as well-'Programmed' as Written...
	4:20pm Caryn: @RRN63; I will remain enigmatically silent on that matter, thus adding to the confusion. Whether this is part of the same plot, a different plot or no plot at all... we'll see.
	4:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...will we?
	4:22pm Caryn: enigmatic silence or maybe I'm just processing
	4:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - of course, he's been doing stuff - I just haven't been hearing it.
	👻 4:27pm G: ever heard of the supersecret consultancy Booz Allen Hamilton Joe Frank and Reynolds?
	👻 4:28pm AnAnonymousParty: Time is like a mean drunk.
	👻 4:28pm rrg: Jeebus but this is depressing.
	👻 4:30pm Alison Porchnik: I love this ice cream truck music. Excellent way to bring us back from the dark precipice of Joe Frank
	👻 4:30pm rrg: Yes, AP. But slowly back.
	4:31pm Droll: Are all the Joe Frank shows that heavy?
	4:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - does he (still??) live in L.A.? Strikes me as very L.A. - Yeah rrg, it's like what Lennon did for Marx, JoeFrank does for the Existentialists (& the Jewish dialecticians) - w/out the nice FreeWill affirmations part...
	4:31pm Caryn: @G: I'm aware of Booz Allen Hamilton, and I'm aware of Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds, but any similar combo? No.
	👻 4:33pm rrg: I think I'll listen to some George Winston after this.
	4:33pm fleep: Droll: there is humor, of a dark nature. My favorite episode is him playing a helicopter traffic reporter, and what starts as a minor accident on one freeway leads to a slow utter breakdown of civilization below, as he reports in the same AM radio drone.
	4:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - some have more or less Humor or Uplift - but not guaranteed on the Thinky label...
	4:34pm Laura L: Look on the bright side: the dark precipice is reliable.
	4:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Aging appropriate topic to being reintro'd after years (for me)...
	👻 4:35pm rrg: "Even as you draw your terminal breath..."
	👻 4:35pm AnAnonymousParty: Maybe we could get some Joe Franklin too?
	👻 4:36pm rrg: And our youngster, RRN63, speaks of aging...
	4:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 50 in Nov. is - 50.
	4:42pm fleep: RRN and shortly thereafter, the letter from AARP will arrive. Because they know. Of course.
	4:42pm Carmichael: That's Joe Frank, droll. Intense, but funny.
	👻 4:43pm G: @fleep: NSA just pulls them a list
	4:44pm Amos: I can't believe you're going to air A Conversation. Then again, Ken and Andy consistently offend their listeners every week, to great acclaim.
	4:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Are Answers better than Questions?' - hell - I think that is JoeFrank ...like when George Carlin died & I went over his stuff & realized how much I'd taken on was his...
	4:46pm Carmichael: AARP came after me when I was 47 or 48. I have yet to give in.
	4:49pm Droll: I see the dark humor in Joe Frank, but that was my first listen and I didn't expect it to be that heavy. And please stop it with the NSA surveillance! NSA may have weak and/or ineffective oversight, but Facebook only answers to shareholders whose only stated goal is to sell out the users. I know which one I trust less.
	👻 4:51pm AnAnonymousParty: "Questions are a burden to others. Answers are a burden to oneself."
	4:51pm Caryn: I can't think of a single FB "recommendation" or targeted ad that has fit me. Always makes me feel good, like I've managed to outsmart their profiling software.
	4:52pm Droll: Caryn, I do not find that kind of incompetence reassuring.
	👻 4:52pm AnAnonymousParty: If the NSA wanted to save money, and get better intel, they could just contract with google.
	4:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Obama ended the Torture & Secret Prisons, & has admitted no one to Guantanamo - & kept us pretty safe. - Yeah - hold admin.s accountable, w/ you all the way - but a little cred. where due? - Reassuring incompetence? Not what we thot in the J.Edgar/Nixon days - or the Reagan - or the Duhbya days...
	👻 4:54pm G: wasn't it clear already in the late 90s that self-termed web 2.0 was mainly a way to get "muppets" to volunteer to create and aggregate terabyte upon endless terabyte of web content for free, just to be "famous" -- which in turn in copiable, savable, and parsable for whatever reason forever, if nothing changes? on one of my liter. discussion lists back then there was a palo alto dude who was clanging the alarm about that nearly every week.
	👻 4:55pm G: why should they contract with google when they can mandate google to give them whatever. much easier and cheaper
	👻 4:56pm rrg: Same old story. It's only an outrage when the other guy (not "my guy") is doing it.
	4:57pm Caryn: @Droll: incompetence in many authorities wouldn't reassure me (except in the sense that they make vast conspiracies way less likely to occur - at least successfully), but when the point of a company in many ways is to delve into your data to try and sell you stuff and they fail at it miserably? Then it's a delight.
	👻 4:59pm G: the younguns will save us from this. they are not gonna stand for having every keystroke of their online presence and every cell call recorded for parsing forever. polling already shows that older people fall for the security argument much more so than under 40s
	5:00pm other david: Well worth checking out talks by William Binney & Thomas Drake on youtube - dubya era whistleblowers, the move towards mass collection of telecom/net data was happening even before 9/11, The kicker is, the public can't be roused to do anything about it, game over.
	5:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Google's Lawyer was on PBSNewshour last night :www.pbs.org... - in case you want to hear his Statement (perhaps to hold accountable). rrg: I do feel there's enuff History to make a judgement on each Party - & abundant material to do so (for each one). My ethical judgement, given a choice between only two: Left.
	👻 5:02pm rrg: There are more than two. You don't have to choose either of those two.
	5:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - but worth having this discussion: Oh yes!
	5:03pm Listening Out There: "We're not in Kansas anymore, Tornodo..."
	5:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - two that can Win (& have Won) (realpolitick) - altho' worth quoting Ron Paul or Ralph Nader occasionaly or something...
	5:05pm fleep: Just don't let Colussus talk to Guardian and everything'll be fine.
	5:06pm Caryn: After being transported to Oz by a tornoto, Dorothy says, "We're not in Tornoto anymore, Tornoto." It's like "smurf" in The Smurfs, works everywhere.
	5:06pm Caryn: Of course, Listening Out There was faster.
	5:07pm Droll: Caryn, The only "analysis" you see at FB is on behalf of deodorant, insurance and car companies, which is hardly representative of the information FB collects, mines, re-mines, re-re-mines, and sells to others to mine. Even if they suck today, they'll get better and they'll have more information by then, too. You do not have any say in the control of the records they keep on you, what they're used for, or how long they're kept. Mark my words: In the very near future all commercial telecommunications will be operated and paid for by advertising companies. Google is already in the phone business, and they already transcribe phone messages. In the future, they will offer free phone service and pay for it by listening in on your conversation and sending you ads about your conversation topics later.
	5:11pm Listening Out There: Goes to show, Caryn, that great thinks mind alike...
	5:13pm fleep: I think I see what Droll is saying. The government collecting data is there ostensbily to protect us, but it might be abused. Corporatism is there to specifically exploit us, it has no benefit to us, it's a vampire.
	👻 5:14pm rrg: It's a stylistic choice that I don't dispute but will merely ask: why are JOE FRANK and DREAMERS capitalized where they appear in the playlist?
	5:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - If they know I like blueberry yoghurt & Fender Stratocasters - even Playboy Playmates' bottoms - & I get Ads for those instead of laxatives - how is this bad?? - However : - Opt In is presumed, not Opt Out. - Long scrolling 'Contracts' don't count for real human beings. - The Civil Rights we already have (read the Bill of Rights lately? 'Search & Seizure'?? Digitally??) need to be correlated to the changing tech.
	5:14pm Caryn: @Droll: true, but I guess speaking a relatively obscure language and being poor as dirt, I'm less concerned about those matters than you might be. "Yeah, sure, spend your time and money trying to sell me stuff! Doesn't matter, since I can't afford it anyway."
	5:15pm Irwin: @rrg: SPECIAL FEATURE
	5:15pm Caryn: @rrg: because he's so great? Or because broadcasting his stuff is a capital idea?
	👻 5:15pm rrg: If one doesn't think there is any benefit to using FB or Google or whatever, then surely one shouldn't use them.
	5:16pm Amos: Because it's an excuse for Irwin to write in all caps. A rare treat indeed.
	5:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - we all know that 'but it might be abused' means it will be abused, here or there, sooner or later.
	5:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Justice so often goes to the HighestBidder.
	5:20pm blee: Ah.... Sun Ra.
	5:20pm northguineahills: Caryn, you speak Kusunda as well as Finnish? Didn't know you were so old! hotword.dictionary.com... (obscure language).
	5:21pm fleep: Thank you, Davey Downer.
	👻 5:21pm rrg: Caryn's not old. Unless she's been dissembling.
	5:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - as has been noted - a FreeMarket can be dandy - but what we have is a MarketSociety - in which not a thing counts but the Price of anything or anyone - & the changing Tech follows along... - As Sun Ra said - this Planet isn't ready yet for the LivingMyth!...
	5:22pm northguineahills: The last speaker of Kasunda is 76 years old.
	5:24pm Caryn: @ngh: that's why I said "relatively obscure" and not "obscure" ;) BTW, congrats on the interviews!
	👻 5:24pm rrg: Is it Kusunda or Kasunda? Don't make me look it up!
	5:24pm Caryn: Kusunda
	5:25pm Carmichael: Man, I came back to a heavy argument. A friend of mine still pays his bills by check, by U.S. Mail. He says he doesn't want his information "to get online". I don't even know where to begin a conversation about the inanity of that idea.
	👻 5:26pm rrg: Sometimes I feel proud of my whistling competence. Then Irwin plays THIS guy.
	5:26pm northguineahills: link provided, trying to multitask.... Thanks, Caryn!
	5:27pm blee: Ocobar drummer is bad ass!
	5:27pm Carmichael: When I was a kid, I was awed by the whistling prowess of the guy in the supermarket who watered the vegetables. He was truly awesome, and put on a show for the housewives.
	👻 5:27pm rrg: I don't know why you would say he has a bad ass. Why would you say such a thing? How can you know?
	5:28pm Webhamster Henry: Note: cat is enjoying this music.
	5:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - his intonation & phrasing sound like an instrument - which of course it is...
	👻 5:29pm rrg: I'm not a cat person but I co-exist peacefully with them as long as we can all agree that those Meow Mix commercials are REPULSIVE.
	5:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - named of course for Flamin'Groovies song&album - bitchin' PsychPop! ☆
	5:32pm Laura L: Ok, this cat talk means I have to point out the 2-faced kitten born in Oregon (Irwin doesn't like it--too creepy)... http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50148770n
	5:33pm Irwin: NO!! DON'T LOOK!!!11!
	5:33pm northguineahills: I like chicken, ...... I like liver...... Meow Mix, Meow Mix, .... please deliver (as if done as a piano ballad).
	👻 5:35pm rrg: It's a world of laughter, a world of tears. It's a world of hopes and a world of fears. There's so much that we share that it's time we're aware: it's a small world after all!
	👻 5:36pm rrg: Oh, my goodness. I'm happy to hear this.
	5:36pm Caryn: @Laura L: there's a famous adult cat like that. They sadly very seldom live for very long. But the kitten seems to clearly have one main, functioning head, and a secondary face. I wonder whether this will change with time, or is how it will remain.
	👻 5:37pm G: I can't face that.
	5:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I thot that just happened on Melvins albumcovers...
	5:38pm blee: @rrg I could smell the funk on the beats.
	5:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - you mean you can't faceface that...
	5:38pm Listening Out There: RE Python: I hope to see the Graham Chapman documentary soon.
	5:38pm Laura L: That's right, they usually don't make it, but this one may have a chance, with all the parts otherwise in good working order. Meow mixup!
	👻 5:39pm rrg: This is the kind of radio I would want to do if I did radio.
	5:40pm fleep: Call it Ray'n'Rosey
	5:41pm Listening Out There: Years back, I saw Chapman at a university. He showed slides of bungie jumping. First I'd heard of it, it was that long ago.
	5:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - the highest praise. - I kept ☆ing Python, it kept going out - like a trick birthday candle...
	5:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - in reverse, I suppose...
	5:42pm Caryn: @Laura L: yeah, I think if the kitten really has only one functioning head, and the other is more just for appearances, it stands a better chance at survival. With two functioning faces, feeding, brain function and such become problematic. Although the famous adult one has two functioning faces.
	👻 5:43pm rrg: That's a good idea. I'll star it too. Except there are other things I like just as much and didn't star. Oh, well.
	👻 5:44pm rrg: You-all can all talk about freak cats. The rest of us will talk about the radio program.
	5:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - more ammo for Neil deGrasse Tyson's argument against Intelligent Design (birth defects)...
	5:45pm Laura L: Well, some of these jazz musicians are kinda freaky cats.
	5:45pm fleep: maybe Intelligent Design has Mondays like everyone else
	👻 5:45pm rrg: And how about this gorgeous weather? Finally some sunshine at last!
	👻 5:46pm rrg: And those cicadas! Oh my goodness the NOISE! And they still haven't peaked.
	5:46pm fleep: I am looking forward to a regular dose of Horace Silver for the remaining decade and beyond.
	👻 5:47pm rrg: We need some tree work done but the tree guy came today, and sonofagun he quoted us a real good price.
	5:48pm Caryn: @rrg: well, if the theory floated earlier about cat videos being full of covert intel turns out to be correct, paying attention to them can't be a bad thing.
	5:49pm northguineahills: I wonder what would cut short the career of a young Japanese male jazz musician in 1942?
	5:50pm Laura L: I got a "Service Call" today with a message that said I could get a discount on a security system if I let them put a sign in my YARD. My yard. In downtown Manhattan.
	👻 5:50pm rrg: The Arkestra in the Arkives. Heh.
	👻 5:51pm rrg: Demand the discount anyway, Laura.
	5:51pm northguineahills: My yard is my fire escape.
	5:51pm Droll: If Rashaan Roland Kirk was a two-faced cat, he could have played four horns at once -- an entire sax section. Lots of great jazz today.
	5:52pm Caryn: I'm almost expecting a bad joke about "Yeah, we're all in this lifeboat together, but no-one will eat me."
	5:52pm Listening Out There: I got a telemarketing call a little while ago. The usual call center noise in the background and the fella on the other end said "Hi, my name is Honda" and he hung up. Bit of an identity problem there, that...
	5:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - I'm gonna be all Overt, 'cause I didn't get it ; Pink Anderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Anderson‎ Pink Anderson or Floyd Council - these were a few amongst the many blues singers that were to be heard in the rolling hills of the Piedmont, or meandering with ... - 'Pink Floyd' contracted the 1st names...
	5:55pm bloopy: is this teenage fancluB>?>
	👻 5:55pm rrg: Wow, look at the time. What happened? Who knows where the time goes? Which makes me hope that we'll hear some Sandy Denny next time.
	👻 5:56pm rrg: Au revoir, fellow travellers. Or travelers. Whatever we are. Eat hearty. Sleep well.
	5:57pm fleep: Thanks, Irwin.
	5:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - poor telemarketers - to resort to such a job... - I did it to try & survive in Santa Barbara, CA (pricey, few jobs) - not 'cold-calling' where they call you - but B.S. nonetheless... - I'm proud to say I'm a totally crap salesman... - 1st, the answering machine: I will answer if I please...
	5:57pm Caryn: A co-worker today told me about his days as a telemarketer, and how they would get so bored with the job, they'd start making comedic calls with fake names. (Using their mobile phones, not the headsets, to avoid having the calls recorded.) And how they'd especially look forward to Friday afternoons, when the bosses would go home early, and they could goof off on the phone very freely.
	👻 5:58pm rrg: Yes, okay, thanks, Irwin. But that's understood. (Isn't it?)
	5:58pm Droll: Have a fun week all. Remember to apply risk/reward, cost/benefit, and love/outrage reasoning uniformly. ...and that a laptop is not a musical instrument! Listen to more jazz (and orchestral) music between Irwin shows!
	5:58pm Laura L: To add to RRG: and if you see the dark precipice, as the Yes We Scan has it: Deal with it.
	5:59pm fleep: Brush your teeth and floss!
	5:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - they busted all those places in Santa Barbara wide open.
	7:43am Chris from Stroud, England: Enjoyed the show whilst working at my desk at home in England. Particularly liked Joe Frank, Horace Silver and that Velvet Underground cut. Thanks for a great vibe dude!