WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from December 1, 2013

Listener comments!
	9:03pm Dave Mandl: Evening, amigos.
	9:04pm JakeGould: Hola! Monday tomorrow. Nice day now.
	9:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bob Brainen played some Chico Hamilton yesterday. www.wfmu.org...
	9:06pm 12539: Dave, I'm concerned that the new schedule means you'll be starting even after the final stretch has begun.
	9:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: - tasty Chico Hamilton tribute - & follows Monica's adieu ftrg Chat Atkins & Lionel Hampton & things real good...deserves a BennyHill pat on the head, I do believe...
	9:07pm Dave Mandl: Ken: Well, Mr. Hamilton died last week...
	9:08pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Hmmm, you may be right.
	9:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Chat Atkins - great C&W monologuist...
	9:11pm Droll: I also have questions about how the schedule change effects WoE. For instance, is the amount of rock constant by percent or elapsed time? Is the show still 2% rock, or now 3%? By far, best part of the new schedule is A440 is back!
	9:12pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I'm still working on those figures. Can I get back to you?
	9:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: Thx Droll: there is a bright side...
	9:14pm Richard from Venezuela: Good post rock track by Six Parts Seven
	9:15pm Richard from Venezuela: This is a great new release by a good venezuelan post rock band called Dias de Septiembre: diasdeseptiembre.bandcamp.com...
	9:18pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, RfV, I'll check them out. I don't think I've heard them.
	9:19pm Richard from Venezuela: It's good and legal free :)
	9:22pm deanland: Well now we'll have to adjust to the segue from "Not Monica" to WOE as of next Sunday.
	9:22pm Droll: Take your time on that one, but I need the answer before the Final Stretch. I don't suppose you've worked out if the number of echoes (feedback) is being reduced by 1/3rd or if the delay time is being decreased holding the number of echoes constant? We have to make a lot of accommodations on our end, you know.
	9:23pm duke: This claire hammel things is great
	9:26pm JakeGould: Same. Great. Claire.
	9:26pm RUBY: I'm in!
	9:28pm fleep: Mentally selecting for two hours instead of three will take some adjustment. Have to cull the herd.
	9:29pm pacific standard simon: I remember April -- lovely girl, and a helluva good sport!
	9:34pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, everyone, btw. Too many of you to name, which is a nice problem to have.
	9:41pm pacific standard simon: If you're keeping track, Kim Fowley does NOT count against the 2% rock and roll.
	9:41pm fleep: [applies eraser to scorecard] Got it.
	9:42pm JakeGould: Man, do I hate Kim Fowley. Screw that guy.
	9:43pm Dave Mandl: He was exploitation personified.
	9:43pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...since had 'Alley Oop' record by Kim Fowley when very small - it's an odd sort of full circle (if not a screw)...perhaps not much has changed!...
	9:44pm JakeGould: He looks like a psycho. Just forget about anything he’s done. He looks crazy.
	9:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...he's what nine feet tall or something? - painted half silver - lives in L.A. ...
	9:51pm pacific standard simon: The new schedule broke my heart.
	9:53pm Droll: pss, I know, only 1 hour for Bethany, but let's just be happy she's back. Daniel before Dave is cool, though.
	9:54pm pacific standard simon: Nope, I was a born-again Monica fan.
	9:57pm Tome: ..holds up lighter !! "high" !!!
	9:58pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...when visiting friend in San Fran. - just something about sitting on his stoop there made me wish I was Jorma w/ his acoustic...
	10:01pm pacific standard simon: If you were in SF, you probably wouldn't want to be Jorma sitting on a stoop. His ex-wife (the one who painted the cover of this album) was a notorious Mission District drug abuser who eventually managed to die of it, a few years ago.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: I was a big J. Airplane fan when I was a kid, but Hot Tuna fan too. Sorry to hear about his wife. I didn't know that.
	10:03pm David L.B. is RRN63: - oh - there is that sort of fog over the bay...
	10:06pm pacific standard simon: Me too, Dave. Always thought of Amon Duul II as the Jefferson Airplane of Germany, and X as the PUNK Jefferson Airplane.
	10:07pm Droll: pss, Then what is X's "We Built This City?"
	10:08pm pacific standard simon: I stopped buying their albums by then. Maybe that god-awful cover of "Wild Thing"?
	10:11pm pacific standard simon: I do know that Live At The Whisky is their 30 Seconds Over Winterland.
	10:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: - amusing, as X is usually associated w/ The Doors like that; if there was a Punk Airplane - I'd like to think Jack Casady woulda been in it anyway!...
	10:15pm JakeGould: I appreciate X the same way I appreciate the Replacements: Neither ban’s music does anything for me, but I am repeatedly lectured on their relevance. Which means… I don’t care. Maybe if I grew up in L.A. or Minnesota when each respective band was big… But don’t care.
	10:18pm David L.B. is RRN63: - wull - X was in there early enuff, pretty original - great poetry & energy (lecture lecture)...Replacements a kinda Punk Stones or Faces mebee (??) - just great R'n'R panache, which is needed from time to time...now, Husker Du...
	10:19pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Flesheaters from L.A. ...
	10:20pm pacific standard simon: Jack had some "new wave" cred, with SVT. And we used to bump into Paul Kantner at The Mabuhay in North Beach -- he was quite interested in The Nuns, who were also sort of Airplane-like in their lineup, if not their music.
	10:20pm JakeGould: Husker Du I can get. But I don’t. I grew up weird. I do appreciate Greg Norton’s mustache. Holy crap. Good facial hair.
	10:21pm KP: Kim Fowley co-wrote the Byrds' Citizen Kane and for that he is forever aces.
	10:26pm Tome: I'm waiting for the "Blind Faith" Box Set myself actually..
	10:26pm Droll: Completists are the only ones left _buying_ music, thus massive box sets. The upside of a Yes box set is.... uh....
	10:26pm JakeGould: I want a Roger Dean box set. Just a huge box set of Roger Dean album covers. Maybe on big 12x12 pieces of wood to mimic an album’s dimensions. No words even. Just images. A box set I can place on a shelf or literally mount on a wall.
	10:27pm pacific standard simon: I can't imagine liking Herbie Hancock enough to own more than a record or two. And I don't get the "relevance" (or significance) thing that Jake mentions, aside from The Beatles and like that. Either you like a band or you don't, and everybody should get off your back.
	10:28pm JakeGould: Pacific Standard, you mean how people have thrown the Replacements & X down my throat as dogma? I don’t get it either. Don’t accept it either. Just listen to the music.
	10:30pm pacific standard simon: Actually, I listen to the music all the time.
	10:30pm David L.B. is RRN63: - wull - there is real 'history' - but a band can be 'relevant' like that - & just not to your tastes. Very little tastes good when shoved down your throat...
	10:30pm Droll: Jake, Coffee table LP-porn: www.amazon.com...
	10:32pm JakeGould: Droll, I know of those books. But I am talking about a literal crate of 12x12 wood. Each adorned with Roger Dean album art. Not Hipgnosis (like some of their stuff, but a lot of it is bad (i.e.: Black Sabbath covers), but Roger Dean.
	10:33pm pacific standard simon: I need a coffee table book of coffee tables. And a coffee table to put it on.
	10:34pm David L.B. is RRN63: - a Boxed Set is a kind of piece of furniture...I always thot a coffetable book of Great Covers on Bad Albums would be both Art & a practical Guide...
	10:35pm JakeGould: I drink tea. No coffee table for me.
	10:36pm 12539: Official Roger Dean Mini Box Sets: www.rogerdean.com...
	10:37pm JakeGould: Forget. No albums. No words. No CDs. Just Roger Dean art. 12x12 on wood.
	10:38pm Bar: comparing, clash is better then x, sorry, btw nice melodica dub Dave
	10:40pm HollyT: Hi Dave, Droll, pss, David LB, etc.
	10:41pm David L.B. is RRN63: - cheese & chalk of a comparison - tho' always felt The Clash was better (stoned?) poetry than people think (always considered in Political terms), & X a notable high-energy Live band...
	10:41pm HollyT: This song is reminding me that I haven't practiced my accordion in like 3 weeks.
	10:41pm Dave Mandl: Hey, Holly.
	10:41pm Droll: Jake, Many of those albums were gatefolds, so you probably mean 24x12. And you probably need both inside and outside, so two 24x12 per release... It's a lot of wall space, but would be a trip to stare at -- I get it.
	10:42pm pacific standard simon: Hiyo, Holly!
	10:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: One of the things on my list...learn the accordion.
	10:42pm JakeGould: Droll. Indeed!
	10:43pm Bar: @rrn63 true
	10:43pm Dave Mandl: Holly: A.P. Would have recorded five records in that time.
	10:43pm pacific standard simon: That's what thrift stores are for. Be like the guy who papered his walls with copies of Whipped Cream And Other Delights!
	10:44pm Bar: killer piazzolla Dave, and edith! now
	10:45pm HollyT: Thanks for rubbing it in, D!
	10:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...it's a good point JG: that 12/24 x 12 Art is what's not being represented anymore...much as I got 7,000 some-odd Wallpapers appearing randomly on this Mac...
	10:49pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...'an Album used to be an Event; those days are gohhhne'... - Dylan
	10:49pm Bar: Love's duet
	10:49pm JakeGould: Pacific Standard, thrift, schmift. I’m talking “Steve Keene”-like wall art.
	10:52pm pacific standard simon: I have a set of inflatable plastic Peter Max pillows....
	10:54pm David L.B. is RRN63: - everybody seen this already?: www.dustandgrooves.com... - Your French broadcasters have any complications adjusting to the new shorter length, DaveM ?
	10:55pm bigbabygenius: An actual 'World of Echo' going on here with danasidonia; cranking the show on both floors!
	10:57pm Dave Mandl: @bbg: Fabulous! Hello-hello-hello to you and Dana.
	10:57pm Dave Mandl: @DLBRRN63: Yeah, I told them about the change. I'm sure they'll be fine.
	11:00pm Dave Mandl: This new Juana Molina disc is so good.
	11:01pm Droll: You just like it because it's in 7/8. I see what you're doing over there.
	11:01pm Dave Mandl: twitter.com...
	11:02pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: Haha. Bingo!
	11:04pm dance hall dispora: @David L.B. is RRN63 That White album collector is some whacked exhibit.
	11:05pm David L.B. is RRN63: - but - then it seems so logical & obvious!
	11:06pm Carmichael: Dave, the last thing I want to do is to hurt you ...
	11:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...surely - you see how logical & obvious that is...
	11:07pm Fred: good.
	11:09pm pacific standard simon: This is what "For No One" would sound like if Ray Davies had written it.
	11:09pm ben von: Bueno
	11:10pm Marmalade Kitty: Bueno indeed!
	11:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: pss: www.openculture.com...
	11:11pm Bar: hi kitty
	11:14pm Bar: RRN63: that was in 1963. It was another scenario
	11:15pm Bar: reviewing or give away an opinion is like betting
	11:17pm Bar: It's easy to review Goddard movies today.
	11:18pm Bar: Back in the day, he had read bad things about his movies i'm sure.
	11:20pm David L.B. is RRN63: 1966. Myself - I think Revolver's as good a candidate for BestAlbumEver as any. You'd think Artists would vibe great w/ each other (ever intro'd any to each other?) - but if you think about it - they're opinionated enuff about doing it their own way & not the other guy's or they wouldn't be bothered. Mojo Magazine had a 'Revolver Reloaded' cover CD of Revolver that was very good I thot...
	11:21pm Bar: joanna newsom style? Dave...
	11:22pm Marmalade Kitty: Goodevening ! It's 04:23 here!!!
	11:23pm pacific standard simon: Pretty funny stuff, Rabbit.
	11:23pm Bar: RRN63: i see kitty: 2:23 here
	11:23pm Dave Mandl: @Kitty: So you're in the UK, I guess?
	11:23pm Marmalade Kitty: 04:22/23ish
	11:24pm Marmalade Kitty: Yup! Where's you Bar?
	11:26pm pacific standard simon: I made a Highway 61 Revisited REvisited CD. Snuck X in by including their version of Positively 4th Street as a bonus track.
	11:27pm JakeGould: Everyone should review things the way BuzzFeed reviews books. Just say nice things! Who like bad reviews? Yeech! AMIRIGHT!
	11:27pm Droll: MK & Bar, I'm still way back on 20:27 of yesterday. PSS is here, too.
	11:27pm Marmalade Kitty: I like bad hotel reviews :)
	11:29pm Marmalade Kitty: and good ones..!
	11:29pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...when John Coltrane did the 'blind' review thing in Downbeat mag or whoever did that - he gave no one less than 50% cred or something...but he was going for Sainthood anyhow...yelp! was not for his sort...
	11:31pm Droll: Bad reviews as in criticism? Isn't that part of the job of a critic?
	11:32pm Bar: near uruguay
	11:34pm JakeGould: My favorite reviews are Zappos reviews. All the shoes are great! And all comfy! Yay! So thrilled nobody is shilling on Zappos!
	11:34pm Bar: i don't read reviews
	11:34pm JakeGould: Droll, Buzzfeed is banning negative reviews. Yay! www.nytimes.com...
	11:35pm Bar: Brazil to be more exact kitty.
	11:36pm JakeGould: More apt article. “BuzzFeed will do book reviews, Fitzgerald said, but he hasn’t figured out yet what form they’ll take. It won’t do negative reviews: “Why waste breath talking smack about something?”” www.poynter.org...
	11:39pm JakeGould: Bar, Brazil is nice. I hope?
	11:39pm Droll: [shuddering in horror - I had no idea] If just having "Like" is good enough for Facebook, I should like it enough for everything else, too.
	11:39pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...there's all kinds of Writing just like there's all kinds of Music or whatever...reviews bug me when they trash something in a Genre the reviewer doesn't even like to begin w/ & ergo prob. doesn't understand (like Sinatra saying R'n'R is bad Swing: & your point is??) - altho' it may be legit to critique a whole Genre (say, teenpop) in a broad sense... - You mean - if they don't like it, they're just not publishing a review @ all? I can see that as a reasonable style choice...
	11:40pm Bar: It's big. It has everything. Hard to say in one word. We don't have newports or mountain dew.
	11:41pm JakeGould: Droll, in someways we are living in a very open yet closed media world. Also the logic of people who say that BuzzFeed needs to be positive to assure affiliate ad clicks is nuts. I work in web tech. I assure you the tone of the review & ad clicks have little correlation.
	11:41pm Dave Mandl: @Bar: That's got to be a plus.
	11:41pm JakeGould: ABar, you mean Newports as in cigarettes or Mountain Dew the drink? You are doing fine.
	11:43pm David L.B. is RRN63: I can drink orange juice, espresso, Monster drinks - for some reason my stomach will just not accept MountainDew.
	11:43pm JakeGould: Bar, in the U.S. the sodas are so filled with high fructose corn syrup they are barely like what people grew up with.
	11:43pm Andrew Waterloo: I don't have a problem with negative reviews when they're written well. I have problem with any review that invents a model for a piece and then knocks it for not fitting that model the way the reviewer decided it should.
	11:44pm Bar: You all got it right, i guess..
	11:45pm Bar: I don't do any of that, i just could formulate anything complex than that.
	11:45pm 12539: I'm going to miss this 3rd hour in future weeks.
	11:45pm Bar: couldn't* more*
	11:45pm JakeGould: My attitude towards reviews are I skim them. We live in a modern media age where I can just click to read an excerpt or listen to a clip. So the world of reviews is not the same as it once was. Or blah, blah, blah… Listen to WFMU. I like something. I buy it on my iPhone. That is 2013 to me.
	11:46pm Bar: Imagine in the 60's among few writing media....
	11:47pm Bar: Writing as in pressing media
	11:47pm Droll: 12359, Don't worry, Dave's going to drop the first hour which is always a snoozer anyhow. We'll still get the second two hours of flute solos and 7/8 time that we came for.
	11:48pm Bar: You couldn't spare words, like today. I don't know whats best actually..
	11:48pm David L.B. is RRN63: - that's true I think: the triangulation of Artist-Critic-Audience has changed from when everyone spent so much time worrying about it - but I could be wrong...I often say FMU brings me the Audio of stuff I only used to read about...
	11:48pm Andrew Waterloo: Reviews are good for giving a release context. I usually read reviews after I've heard the album several times.
	11:49pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I thought the second hour was the snoozer.
	11:50pm JakeGould: Reviews are more like critical documentation on the positive side nowadays. On the negative/cynical side nowadays, I see reviews as simply search engine fodder nowadays. There is so much noise out there. People just want to grab Google hits to get clicks.
	11:52pm David L.B. is RRN63: - much more stuff faster & more sensationalistic for immediate consumption...that's my critique...more explosions & gunfire...
	11:52pm pacific standard simon: When I have to work on Sunday, I miss the first half hour anyway. Now I won't.
	11:53pm Droll: Maybe the solution to crappy consumer reviews is to go back to professional music criticism.
	11:54pm JakeGould: It’s a contrast to when I would take the subway to Tower Records on 3rd & Broadway to get Pulse. And would read “Desert Island Discs” to get clues to cool stuff. Now I can’t stand lists… The Interwebs is just lists!
	11:55pm Bar: Same here when there was Bizz Magazine.
	11:57pm 12539: Thanks, DaveM! Good luck catching your train.
	11:57pm David L.B. is RRN63: ..it's like Todd Rundgren, I think, observing that putting the production tools in everyone's hands would not make everyone a skilled engineer; Writing well about Music is kinda hard ! Most people can't tell you why they like it or don't @ all. Very many are hacks. It's notorious that people review things they don't even listen to, watch, read...
	11:58pm pacific standard simon: Music journalism is one thing. Never saw a record review that was worth a fart in a handbag.
	11:59pm Droll: Thanks Dave, see you next week.
	11:59pm blarney stoned: blippy bongo
	11:59pm David L.B. is RRN63: Ha ha! That's succinct.
	11:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Next Sunday is going to seem like a daylight saving time switch.
	12:00am Bar: History books are the same, very few of them saw the actual story.
	12:00am Bar: TRUE DAVE!!!
	12:00am Bar: axl rose?
	12:01am tomB: @David LB: "we buy white albums" was at the rex fair I think
	12:01am Droll: Correction, see you in two weeks.
	12:01am Bar: great show!!
	12:01am Dave Mandl: Night and thanks, everyone. Have a great couple of weeks.
	12:02am Bar: skadule
	12:03am Bar: gnite all!
	12:03am pauly mac: I can still better than Ringo...well...maybe

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December 1, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Chico Hamilton	I'm Beginning to See the Light	Original Ellington Suite	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Buddy Collette Quartet	It's April	V/A: Jazz in Los Angeles (1921-1956)	0:05:02 (Pop-up)
Six Parts Seven	Knock at My Door "Knock at My Door" by "Six Parts Seven"	Casually Smashed to Pieces	0:07:58 (Pop-up)
Piano Magic	Amongst Russian Lathes & Metal Curls	Popular Mechanics	0:14:54 (Pop-up)
Claire Hamill	Moss "Moss" by "Claire Hamill"	Voices	0:18:43 (Pop-up)

Shocking Blue	Acka Raga "Acka Raga" by "Shocking Blue"	At Home	0:30:10 (Pop-up)
Small Faces	Talk to You "Talk to You" by "Small Faces"	There Are but Four Small Faces	0:33:03 (Pop-up)
The Moontrekkers	Hatashiai (Japanese Sword Fight)	V/A: Ku-Pow! British Instrumental Guitar Music of the Sixties	0:35:17 (Pop-up)
Kim Fowley	Big Sur, Bear Mountain, Ciro's, Flip Side, Protest Song	Another Man's Gold	0:37:30 (Pop-up)
Cass McCombs	Big Wheel/Angel Blood	Big Wheel and Others	0:40:25 (Pop-up)

Jorma Kaukonen	Genesis "Genesis" by "Jorma Kaukonen"	Quah	0:53:44 (Pop-up)
Huerco S.	Anagramme of My Love "Anagramme of My Love" by "Huerco S."	Colonial Patterns	0:58:34 (Pop-up)
Jyoti	The Milkman "The Milkman" by "Jyoti"	Denderah	1:01:40 (Pop-up)
Herbie Hancock	Hang Up Your Hang Ups	The Complete Columbia Album Collection 1972-1988	1:06:19 (Pop-up)
Claudia Quintet	(Holy) Thursday "(Holy) Thursday" by "Claudia Quintet"	Claudia Quintet	1:13:50 (Pop-up)

Slapp Happy	Just a Conversation "Just a Conversation" by "Slapp Happy"	Sort Of	1:26:06 (Pop-up)
Family Fodder	Silence "Silence" by "Family Fodder"	Schizophrenia Party (Director's Cut)	1:31:38 (Pop-up)
Creation Rebel	Dub from Creation "Dub from Creation" by "Creation Rebel"	Historic Moments Volume One	1:34:30 (Pop-up)
Astor Piazzolla	Duo de Amor "Duo de Amor" by "Astor Piazzolla"	El Nuevo Tango de Buenos Aires	1:37:29 (Pop-up)
Edith Piaf	C'est Merveilleux "C'est Merveilleux" by "Edith Piaf"	Chansons des Cinema et Theatre, 1941-1962	1:43:07 (Pop-up)

Bobak, Jons, Malone	House of Many Windows	Motherlight	1:54:11 (Pop-up)
Juana Molina	Eras "Eras" by "Juana Molina"	Wed 21	1:57:50 (Pop-up)
Tully	Song for Shayna "Song for Shayna" by "Tully"	Loving Is Hard	2:02:06 (Pop-up)
One Man Bannister	For No One "For No One" by "One Man Bannister"	Evolver	2:05:46 (Pop-up)
George Crumb	A Little Suite for Christmas, A.D. 1979	Ancient Voices for Children	2:07:24 (Pop-up)

Mostly Other People Do the Killing	The Shickshinny Shimmy	Red Hot	2:22:24 (Pop-up)
Extradition	A Moonsong "A Moonsong" by "Extradition"	Hush	2:27:15 (Pop-up)
Steve Lacy	Note "Note" by "Steve Lacy"	V/A: Jazzactuel	2:33:04 (Pop-up)
Circulasione Totale Orcestra	Yellow Bass & Silver Cornet III (excerpt)	Bandwidth	2:40:07 (Pop-up)
David Greenberger & Shaking Ray Levis	Trick Squash	Tramps That Go Think In the Night	2:41:00 (Pop-up)

Paul McCartney	Early Days "Early Days" by "Paul McCartney"	New	2:46:43 (Pop-up)
Neblung Price	Washed Ashore "Washed Ashore" by "Neblung Price"	Jewels of the Jetpack Malice	2:50:30 (Pop-up)
Gene Russell	On Green Dolphin Street	New Direction	2:55:27 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:03pm Dave Mandl: Evening, amigos.
	9:04pm JakeGould: Hola! Monday tomorrow. Nice day now.
	9:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bob Brainen played some Chico Hamilton yesterday. www.wfmu.org...
	9:06pm 12539: Dave, I'm concerned that the new schedule means you'll be starting even after the final stretch has begun.
	9:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: - tasty Chico Hamilton tribute - & follows Monica's adieu ftrg Chat Atkins & Lionel Hampton & things real good...deserves a BennyHill pat on the head, I do believe...
	9:07pm Dave Mandl: Ken: Well, Mr. Hamilton died last week...
	9:08pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Hmmm, you may be right.
	9:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Chat Atkins - great C&W monologuist...
	9:11pm Droll: I also have questions about how the schedule change effects WoE. For instance, is the amount of rock constant by percent or elapsed time? Is the show still 2% rock, or now 3%? By far, best part of the new schedule is A440 is back!
	9:12pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I'm still working on those figures. Can I get back to you?
	9:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: Thx Droll: there is a bright side...
	9:14pm Richard from Venezuela: Good post rock track by Six Parts Seven
	9:15pm Richard from Venezuela: This is a great new release by a good venezuelan post rock band called Dias de Septiembre: diasdeseptiembre.bandcamp.com...
	9:18pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, RfV, I'll check them out. I don't think I've heard them.
	9:19pm Richard from Venezuela: It's good and legal free :)
	9:22pm deanland: Well now we'll have to adjust to the segue from "Not Monica" to WOE as of next Sunday.
	9:22pm Droll: Take your time on that one, but I need the answer before the Final Stretch. I don't suppose you've worked out if the number of echoes (feedback) is being reduced by 1/3rd or if the delay time is being decreased holding the number of echoes constant? We have to make a lot of accommodations on our end, you know.
	9:23pm duke: This claire hammel things is great
	9:26pm JakeGould: Same. Great. Claire.
	9:26pm RUBY: I'm in!
	9:28pm fleep: Mentally selecting for two hours instead of three will take some adjustment. Have to cull the herd.
	9:29pm pacific standard simon: I remember April -- lovely girl, and a helluva good sport!
	9:34pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, everyone, btw. Too many of you to name, which is a nice problem to have.
	9:41pm pacific standard simon: If you're keeping track, Kim Fowley does NOT count against the 2% rock and roll.
	9:41pm fleep: [applies eraser to scorecard] Got it.
	9:42pm JakeGould: Man, do I hate Kim Fowley. Screw that guy.
	9:43pm Dave Mandl: He was exploitation personified.
	9:43pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...since had 'Alley Oop' record by Kim Fowley when very small - it's an odd sort of full circle (if not a screw)...perhaps not much has changed!...
	9:44pm JakeGould: He looks like a psycho. Just forget about anything he’s done. He looks crazy.
	9:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...he's what nine feet tall or something? - painted half silver - lives in L.A. ...
	9:51pm pacific standard simon: The new schedule broke my heart.
	9:53pm Droll: pss, I know, only 1 hour for Bethany, but let's just be happy she's back. Daniel before Dave is cool, though.
	9:54pm pacific standard simon: Nope, I was a born-again Monica fan.
	9:57pm Tome: ..holds up lighter !! "high" !!!
	9:58pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...when visiting friend in San Fran. - just something about sitting on his stoop there made me wish I was Jorma w/ his acoustic...
	10:01pm pacific standard simon: If you were in SF, you probably wouldn't want to be Jorma sitting on a stoop. His ex-wife (the one who painted the cover of this album) was a notorious Mission District drug abuser who eventually managed to die of it, a few years ago.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: I was a big J. Airplane fan when I was a kid, but Hot Tuna fan too. Sorry to hear about his wife. I didn't know that.
	10:03pm David L.B. is RRN63: - oh - there is that sort of fog over the bay...
	10:06pm pacific standard simon: Me too, Dave. Always thought of Amon Duul II as the Jefferson Airplane of Germany, and X as the PUNK Jefferson Airplane.
	10:07pm Droll: pss, Then what is X's "We Built This City?"
	10:08pm pacific standard simon: I stopped buying their albums by then. Maybe that god-awful cover of "Wild Thing"?
	10:11pm pacific standard simon: I do know that Live At The Whisky is their 30 Seconds Over Winterland.
	10:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: - amusing, as X is usually associated w/ The Doors like that; if there was a Punk Airplane - I'd like to think Jack Casady woulda been in it anyway!...
	10:15pm JakeGould: I appreciate X the same way I appreciate the Replacements: Neither ban’s music does anything for me, but I am repeatedly lectured on their relevance. Which means… I don’t care. Maybe if I grew up in L.A. or Minnesota when each respective band was big… But don’t care.
	10:18pm David L.B. is RRN63: - wull - X was in there early enuff, pretty original - great poetry & energy (lecture lecture)...Replacements a kinda Punk Stones or Faces mebee (??) - just great R'n'R panache, which is needed from time to time...now, Husker Du...
	10:19pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Flesheaters from L.A. ...
	10:20pm pacific standard simon: Jack had some "new wave" cred, with SVT. And we used to bump into Paul Kantner at The Mabuhay in North Beach -- he was quite interested in The Nuns, who were also sort of Airplane-like in their lineup, if not their music.
	10:20pm JakeGould: Husker Du I can get. But I don’t. I grew up weird. I do appreciate Greg Norton’s mustache. Holy crap. Good facial hair.
	10:21pm KP: Kim Fowley co-wrote the Byrds' Citizen Kane and for that he is forever aces.
	10:26pm Tome: I'm waiting for the "Blind Faith" Box Set myself actually..
	10:26pm Droll: Completists are the only ones left _buying_ music, thus massive box sets. The upside of a Yes box set is.... uh....
	10:26pm JakeGould: I want a Roger Dean box set. Just a huge box set of Roger Dean album covers. Maybe on big 12x12 pieces of wood to mimic an album’s dimensions. No words even. Just images. A box set I can place on a shelf or literally mount on a wall.
	10:27pm pacific standard simon: I can't imagine liking Herbie Hancock enough to own more than a record or two. And I don't get the "relevance" (or significance) thing that Jake mentions, aside from The Beatles and like that. Either you like a band or you don't, and everybody should get off your back.
	10:28pm JakeGould: Pacific Standard, you mean how people have thrown the Replacements & X down my throat as dogma? I don’t get it either. Don’t accept it either. Just listen to the music.
	10:30pm pacific standard simon: Actually, I listen to the music all the time.
	10:30pm David L.B. is RRN63: - wull - there is real 'history' - but a band can be 'relevant' like that - & just not to your tastes. Very little tastes good when shoved down your throat...
	10:30pm Droll: Jake, Coffee table LP-porn: www.amazon.com...
	10:32pm JakeGould: Droll, I know of those books. But I am talking about a literal crate of 12x12 wood. Each adorned with Roger Dean album art. Not Hipgnosis (like some of their stuff, but a lot of it is bad (i.e.: Black Sabbath covers), but Roger Dean.
	10:33pm pacific standard simon: I need a coffee table book of coffee tables. And a coffee table to put it on.
	10:34pm David L.B. is RRN63: - a Boxed Set is a kind of piece of furniture...I always thot a coffetable book of Great Covers on Bad Albums would be both Art & a practical Guide...
	10:35pm JakeGould: I drink tea. No coffee table for me.
	10:36pm 12539: Official Roger Dean Mini Box Sets: www.rogerdean.com...
	10:37pm JakeGould: Forget. No albums. No words. No CDs. Just Roger Dean art. 12x12 on wood.
	10:38pm Bar: comparing, clash is better then x, sorry, btw nice melodica dub Dave
	10:40pm HollyT: Hi Dave, Droll, pss, David LB, etc.
	10:41pm David L.B. is RRN63: - cheese & chalk of a comparison - tho' always felt The Clash was better (stoned?) poetry than people think (always considered in Political terms), & X a notable high-energy Live band...
	10:41pm HollyT: This song is reminding me that I haven't practiced my accordion in like 3 weeks.
	10:41pm Dave Mandl: Hey, Holly.
	10:41pm Droll: Jake, Many of those albums were gatefolds, so you probably mean 24x12. And you probably need both inside and outside, so two 24x12 per release... It's a lot of wall space, but would be a trip to stare at -- I get it.
	10:42pm pacific standard simon: Hiyo, Holly!
	10:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: One of the things on my list...learn the accordion.
	10:42pm JakeGould: Droll. Indeed!
	10:43pm Bar: @rrn63 true
	10:43pm Dave Mandl: Holly: A.P. Would have recorded five records in that time.
	10:43pm pacific standard simon: That's what thrift stores are for. Be like the guy who papered his walls with copies of Whipped Cream And Other Delights!
	10:44pm Bar: killer piazzolla Dave, and edith! now
	10:45pm HollyT: Thanks for rubbing it in, D!
	10:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...it's a good point JG: that 12/24 x 12 Art is what's not being represented anymore...much as I got 7,000 some-odd Wallpapers appearing randomly on this Mac...
	10:49pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...'an Album used to be an Event; those days are gohhhne'... - Dylan
	10:49pm Bar: Love's duet
	10:49pm JakeGould: Pacific Standard, thrift, schmift. I’m talking “Steve Keene”-like wall art.
	10:52pm pacific standard simon: I have a set of inflatable plastic Peter Max pillows....
	10:54pm David L.B. is RRN63: - everybody seen this already?: www.dustandgrooves.com... - Your French broadcasters have any complications adjusting to the new shorter length, DaveM ?
	10:55pm bigbabygenius: An actual 'World of Echo' going on here with danasidonia; cranking the show on both floors!
	10:57pm Dave Mandl: @bbg: Fabulous! Hello-hello-hello to you and Dana.
	10:57pm Dave Mandl: @DLBRRN63: Yeah, I told them about the change. I'm sure they'll be fine.
	11:00pm Dave Mandl: This new Juana Molina disc is so good.
	11:01pm Droll: You just like it because it's in 7/8. I see what you're doing over there.
	11:01pm Dave Mandl: twitter.com...
	11:02pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: Haha. Bingo!
	11:04pm dance hall dispora: @David L.B. is RRN63 That White album collector is some whacked exhibit.
	11:05pm David L.B. is RRN63: - but - then it seems so logical & obvious!
	11:06pm Carmichael: Dave, the last thing I want to do is to hurt you ...
	11:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...surely - you see how logical & obvious that is...
	11:07pm Fred: good.
	11:09pm pacific standard simon: This is what "For No One" would sound like if Ray Davies had written it.
	11:09pm ben von: Bueno
	11:10pm Marmalade Kitty: Bueno indeed!
	11:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: pss: www.openculture.com...
	11:11pm Bar: hi kitty
	11:14pm Bar: RRN63: that was in 1963. It was another scenario
	11:15pm Bar: reviewing or give away an opinion is like betting
	11:17pm Bar: It's easy to review Goddard movies today.
	11:18pm Bar: Back in the day, he had read bad things about his movies i'm sure.
	11:20pm David L.B. is RRN63: 1966. Myself - I think Revolver's as good a candidate for BestAlbumEver as any. You'd think Artists would vibe great w/ each other (ever intro'd any to each other?) - but if you think about it - they're opinionated enuff about doing it their own way & not the other guy's or they wouldn't be bothered. Mojo Magazine had a 'Revolver Reloaded' cover CD of Revolver that was very good I thot...
	11:21pm Bar: joanna newsom style? Dave...
	11:22pm Marmalade Kitty: Goodevening ! It's 04:23 here!!!
	11:23pm pacific standard simon: Pretty funny stuff, Rabbit.
	11:23pm Bar: RRN63: i see kitty: 2:23 here
	11:23pm Dave Mandl: @Kitty: So you're in the UK, I guess?
	11:23pm Marmalade Kitty: 04:22/23ish
	11:24pm Marmalade Kitty: Yup! Where's you Bar?
	11:26pm pacific standard simon: I made a Highway 61 Revisited REvisited CD. Snuck X in by including their version of Positively 4th Street as a bonus track.
	11:27pm JakeGould: Everyone should review things the way BuzzFeed reviews books. Just say nice things! Who like bad reviews? Yeech! AMIRIGHT!
	11:27pm Droll: MK & Bar, I'm still way back on 20:27 of yesterday. PSS is here, too.
	11:27pm Marmalade Kitty: I like bad hotel reviews :)
	11:29pm Marmalade Kitty: and good ones..!
	11:29pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...when John Coltrane did the 'blind' review thing in Downbeat mag or whoever did that - he gave no one less than 50% cred or something...but he was going for Sainthood anyhow...yelp! was not for his sort...
	11:31pm Droll: Bad reviews as in criticism? Isn't that part of the job of a critic?
	11:32pm Bar: near uruguay
	11:34pm JakeGould: My favorite reviews are Zappos reviews. All the shoes are great! And all comfy! Yay! So thrilled nobody is shilling on Zappos!
	11:34pm Bar: i don't read reviews
	11:34pm JakeGould: Droll, Buzzfeed is banning negative reviews. Yay! www.nytimes.com...
	11:35pm Bar: Brazil to be more exact kitty.
	11:36pm JakeGould: More apt article. “BuzzFeed will do book reviews, Fitzgerald said, but he hasn’t figured out yet what form they’ll take. It won’t do negative reviews: “Why waste breath talking smack about something?”” www.poynter.org...
	11:39pm JakeGould: Bar, Brazil is nice. I hope?
	11:39pm Droll: [shuddering in horror - I had no idea] If just having "Like" is good enough for Facebook, I should like it enough for everything else, too.
	11:39pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...there's all kinds of Writing just like there's all kinds of Music or whatever...reviews bug me when they trash something in a Genre the reviewer doesn't even like to begin w/ & ergo prob. doesn't understand (like Sinatra saying R'n'R is bad Swing: & your point is??) - altho' it may be legit to critique a whole Genre (say, teenpop) in a broad sense... - You mean - if they don't like it, they're just not publishing a review @ all? I can see that as a reasonable style choice...
	11:40pm Bar: It's big. It has everything. Hard to say in one word. We don't have newports or mountain dew.
	11:41pm JakeGould: Droll, in someways we are living in a very open yet closed media world. Also the logic of people who say that BuzzFeed needs to be positive to assure affiliate ad clicks is nuts. I work in web tech. I assure you the tone of the review & ad clicks have little correlation.
	11:41pm Dave Mandl: @Bar: That's got to be a plus.
	11:41pm JakeGould: ABar, you mean Newports as in cigarettes or Mountain Dew the drink? You are doing fine.
	11:43pm David L.B. is RRN63: I can drink orange juice, espresso, Monster drinks - for some reason my stomach will just not accept MountainDew.
	11:43pm JakeGould: Bar, in the U.S. the sodas are so filled with high fructose corn syrup they are barely like what people grew up with.
	11:43pm Andrew Waterloo: I don't have a problem with negative reviews when they're written well. I have problem with any review that invents a model for a piece and then knocks it for not fitting that model the way the reviewer decided it should.
	11:44pm Bar: You all got it right, i guess..
	11:45pm Bar: I don't do any of that, i just could formulate anything complex than that.
	11:45pm 12539: I'm going to miss this 3rd hour in future weeks.
	11:45pm Bar: couldn't* more*
	11:45pm JakeGould: My attitude towards reviews are I skim them. We live in a modern media age where I can just click to read an excerpt or listen to a clip. So the world of reviews is not the same as it once was. Or blah, blah, blah… Listen to WFMU. I like something. I buy it on my iPhone. That is 2013 to me.
	11:46pm Bar: Imagine in the 60's among few writing media....
	11:47pm Bar: Writing as in pressing media
	11:47pm Droll: 12359, Don't worry, Dave's going to drop the first hour which is always a snoozer anyhow. We'll still get the second two hours of flute solos and 7/8 time that we came for.
	11:48pm Bar: You couldn't spare words, like today. I don't know whats best actually..
	11:48pm David L.B. is RRN63: - that's true I think: the triangulation of Artist-Critic-Audience has changed from when everyone spent so much time worrying about it - but I could be wrong...I often say FMU brings me the Audio of stuff I only used to read about...
	11:48pm Andrew Waterloo: Reviews are good for giving a release context. I usually read reviews after I've heard the album several times.
	11:49pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I thought the second hour was the snoozer.
	11:50pm JakeGould: Reviews are more like critical documentation on the positive side nowadays. On the negative/cynical side nowadays, I see reviews as simply search engine fodder nowadays. There is so much noise out there. People just want to grab Google hits to get clicks.
	11:52pm David L.B. is RRN63: - much more stuff faster & more sensationalistic for immediate consumption...that's my critique...more explosions & gunfire...
	11:52pm pacific standard simon: When I have to work on Sunday, I miss the first half hour anyway. Now I won't.
	11:53pm Droll: Maybe the solution to crappy consumer reviews is to go back to professional music criticism.
	11:54pm JakeGould: It’s a contrast to when I would take the subway to Tower Records on 3rd & Broadway to get Pulse. And would read “Desert Island Discs” to get clues to cool stuff. Now I can’t stand lists… The Interwebs is just lists!
	11:55pm Bar: Same here when there was Bizz Magazine.
	11:57pm 12539: Thanks, DaveM! Good luck catching your train.
	11:57pm David L.B. is RRN63: ..it's like Todd Rundgren, I think, observing that putting the production tools in everyone's hands would not make everyone a skilled engineer; Writing well about Music is kinda hard ! Most people can't tell you why they like it or don't @ all. Very many are hacks. It's notorious that people review things they don't even listen to, watch, read...
	11:58pm pacific standard simon: Music journalism is one thing. Never saw a record review that was worth a fart in a handbag.
	11:59pm Droll: Thanks Dave, see you next week.
	11:59pm blarney stoned: blippy bongo
	11:59pm David L.B. is RRN63: Ha ha! That's succinct.
	11:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Next Sunday is going to seem like a daylight saving time switch.
	12:00am Bar: History books are the same, very few of them saw the actual story.
	12:00am Bar: TRUE DAVE!!!
	12:00am Bar: axl rose?
	12:01am tomB: @David LB: "we buy white albums" was at the rex fair I think
	12:01am Droll: Correction, see you in two weeks.
	12:01am Bar: great show!!
	12:01am Dave Mandl: Night and thanks, everyone. Have a great couple of weeks.
	12:02am Bar: skadule
	12:03am Bar: gnite all!
	12:03am pauly mac: I can still better than Ringo...well...maybe

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from December 1, 2013

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