WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from June 26, 2016

Listener comments!
	🥁 9:26am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Great track this here Hersch pianer tinkler & associates.
	9:26am Andrew Waterloo: good morning
	9:27am Jeff Golick: G'morning, @Rev and @Andrew. Welcome.
	🥁 9:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& a tender Taylor of all things - a touch of Monk?...
	9:31am Jeff Golick: Yeah, I am hearing Monk, too, @RRN63.
	🥁 9:54am doctorjazz: Late arrival, looks like I missed a great first set (archive will be visited later), now taking you out on the Ozzie walk. Good morning!
	10:01am Jeff Golick: Hello and happy walking, @doctorjazz!
	10:19am coelacanth: good morning Jeff and Outies
	10:22am Jeff Golick: Hiya hiya, @coelacanth!
	🥁 10:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Before even Bert Jansch. Just sayifyin'. Popularized, maybe even originated the DADGAD tuning that is now standard throughout all of Irish Trad.
	10:34am Jeff Golick: Graham is a major, major figure, one I only recently became aware of, thanks largely to D:O co-conspirator Jeff Jackson, plus the book ELECTRIC EDEN.
	10:35am Jeff Golick: (Terry Riley bday, June 24th.)
	10:38am coelacanth: Jeff -regarding your mic break question... it seems to me that, although there must've always been short-sighted people, reagan (or, maybe more accurately the machine he was part of...the bush family,etc.) was a major factor in the masses deciding that selfishness and short-term satisfaction was the way to go. .....(not that my groggy head wants to have a sociopolitical discussion now!)
	10:42am coelacanth: Happy birthday Mr. Riley!
	10:46am Gary: Yay!
	10:47am Jeff Golick: @coel: it does seem to be baked into the "prosperity doctrine" -- "I got mine and that's all that matters, because it's inherently good!" The inability to empathize with our fellow citizens, to find common ground, seems like a massive psychological failing on a near-global scale. I don't understand it, but then my perspective is shaped by my own relatively sheltered, privileged life-bubble. Back to the music.
	🥁 10:47am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Greed is Good ! ...but this piece is better...
	10:47am Jeff Golick: I see you there, @Gary! And wonderful it is to see you.
	10:51am coelacanth: Jeff, it's a shame - but yes, back to the Music! ...i hope things in your personal life have eased-up on you, by the way.
	10:52am Jeff Golick: Thanks so much, @coelacanth. Yes, on the family front things are looking up.
	10:53am coelacanth: Very happy to hear that!
	10:55am Jeff Golick: Yah, me too! Robbie really doesn't need to sing. Who'd like to tell him that? Show of hands?
	🥁 10:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...generally - if people could sing real well - they probably wouldn't become exceptional guitarists...I dunno what McCartney's deal is...
	11:00am Jeff Golick: Just lucky, I guess.
	11:03am coelacanth: Terry Reid's another. Extraordinary singer and Excellent guitarist.
	🥁 11:09am doctorjazz: Great drone-y set. nice to listen to on the hot walk (nice to be back in Air conditioning for the rest of the show, though).
	11:14am Gary: I have never received more visible/audible scorn from record store clerks than when I brought Clash albums or DVDs up to the register
	11:15am Jeff Golick: Well that's lame.
	11:16am coelacanth: really Gary? i don't get that.
	11:16am coelacanth: (as long as it's pre-combat rock!)
	11:17am Ike: Morning!
	11:17am Jeff Golick: Heya, hi, @Ike!
	11:18am Gary: I know! Well, the first time it was my own fault -- I was in the Stockton, California Tower Records, and went apeshit when I saw Sandinista! I brought it up to the register, visibly trembling, and started to blather uncontrollably about how awesome it was that they put this 3-album set out so soon after London Calling ...
	🥁 11:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Really Gary? Interesting. Perhaps for Punk they are what R.E.M. became for Alternative - the success that everyone else gets to hate. Like Dylan in the early 60s for Folkies - or The Beatles for everything...or U2 - justifiably (harhar)...It's that Stadium threshold...but The Clash were tragic enuff & broke up...Yeah everyone wanted to be The Clash...But I think they succeeded if not in making the entire world politically righteous thru Rawk than in making good Poetry about it. If you can get to that...
	11:20am coelacanth: my friend Carl was calling the clash "the only band that matters" before they put that in their marketing campaign. ... he wanted our band to be an all-clash cover band. i might not have vetoed that if i'd known we'd end up covering no less than 4 Joe Jackson songs!
	11:21am Andrew Waterloo: At least there's a bit of tongue-in-cheek when Fall fans refer to The Fall as the only band that matters.
	🥁 11:21am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in other words - I think they were upfront about expressing sociopolitical unease, rather than having the solutions to it all. & - when I did that thing of Top 20 Albums Ever (impossible) - The Clash's 1st, not Ramones or Pistols (! somehow)...
	11:22am Gary: Man I would have a hard time choosing my 20 favorite albums
	11:24am Jeff Golick: My thought, too, Gary. Maybe my favorite 20 albums as of right now, 6/26, 11:25 am. Subject to change at 11:30.
	🥁 11:24am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Gary Sullivan's Top 20 Albums - that you never heard of - this afternoon. Yeah - it's an exercise, as Lists must be. So brutally few. You have to get Symbolic... www.20albums.com...
	11:25am Andrew Waterloo: Choosing them would be hard, not revising the list 4 times a day for the next two weeks would be even harder.
	🥁 11:27am doctorjazz: I'd find it impossible...Maybe the best beebop albums my an artist with the initials CP...
	11:27am coelacanth: the 'pistols - eh. a few Great songs... the ramones - Awesome when they started, but never released a perfect album. the clash's first & second albums both qualify as perfect, in my mind; and Sandinista! is way up there as well.
	🥁 11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - so I end up being very Critics' Choice - yet I really do feel these albums. No Stones even - no Kinks, Bowie... The whole thing of Punk is it was meant to be totally temporal In the Moment dADa - Destroy Rawk & be disposable - & it kind of succeeded too well to be assessed properly even now! The Pistols (& their one album) epitomized that (what's a Berlin Wall, grampa??) - & The Ramones weren't about albums - or I might be wrong...or just late - & didn't start collecting until honestly 'Road to Ruin'...they were that obscure still - tho' their 1st two should be on the List... It would take @ least 50 Albums to begin to make sense...
	11:32am coelacanth: when i moved to where i live now, i applied for a job at rhino records. the application included "list your top 10 favorite albums". i couldn't and didn't do it. i wrote 21 or 22 and apologised. ...i didn't get the job.
	11:32am Andrew Waterloo: I'd start with my Last FM stats but I can't remember listening to that DJ Olive album www.last.fm...
	🥁 11:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I could never pay rent working music stores (granted I lived in Santa Barbara) - & always had too many on hold.
	11:34am Jeff Golick: @coel: well that's just cruel.
	11:35am coelacanth: haha! i thought so!
	11:36am Andrew Waterloo: the first qualification for my top 10 is an album I typically listen to front to back and then some.
	11:37am Jeff Golick: So I'm concerned that I have the L/R channel cables in the wrong places. If I switch them, there will be a brief break in the music -- can you handle that, and perhaps tell me if there's any difference?
	🥁 11:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bass is more usually channeled Left as it seems to be this moment...
	11:39am Jeff Golick: Can you hear the horn blowing on top pretty well?
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It sounds fine here.
	11:40am Gary: I'm listening to the show via my phone (not this computer, which I'm just typing on) to a single bluetooth speaker, so I can't really offer much of an opinion as to the stereophonic nature of today's broadcast
	11:41am Andrew Waterloo: sounds fine to me, but my head feels like a lumpy pillow
	11:42am Andrew Waterloo: I love those little Bluetooth speakers. Especially not being tethered to a wall socket.
	11:43am Jeff Golick: Ok, thanks. Maybe I'll fiddle around with it on some off-hours.
	11:46am Jeff Golick: Might go a wee tad over today.
	11:47am coelacanth: (it sounds good to me, but i'm not familiar with what you're playing) ....Rabbit -to be sure, i appreciate the importance of the sexpistols, it's just that (and even at the time) it sounds like fairly straight-forward rock music with a snarling singer. only a few of their songs actually move me. ...and i LOVE the ramones! i know they're not so about albums, but man they put some abominations on record! with the exception of "rocket to russia",i made my own edits of all their albums. (4 that is... to me they only had 4 albums!)
	🥁 11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: NY Dolls 1st should be on a List - & the Pistols' sound owes more to that than anything. The Ramones came up w/ a unique amalgam of Pop & Rawk & so many things - like the Early Beatles did. Really - they are Pop Art of the highest order to my mind: perfectly Designed ! Rawk is also about Gestures - & in this, the Pistols were about as relevant as anything's that's happened.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Agreed, though the impact of the gesture is often lost as time passes, and all we're left with is the document.
	🥁 11:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...also no room in 20 for the doors' 1st - & as divisive as they are around FMU & elsewhere - that's really important for me - & I'd maintain hugely influential...
	11:59am coelacanth: i don't know why, but i always liked new york dolls, but never "loved" 'em....but i agree with everything else @11:51. ...and "the doors" is another example of extraordinary, profoundly relevant music sharing a record with trite filler. despite this, it's pretty high on my "list".
	🥁 12:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the Pistols imploded & exploded immediately - as they were designed to do...as Pete Townshend intended TheWho to do but got diverted...whereas the Ramones carried on a formula intrepidly...like soldiers, but also past any new innovation. It's tricky business ! Yeah - but I maintain the doors' 1st is on point. & none of their albums are dismissable on the whole. On my 20 I got 'FunHouse' & 'VU w/ Nico' (how that can evade any List is beyond me) - so I think the doors are implied. & that's my argument for the doors generally: you say Arthur Lee & Iggy & the Bunnymen are kewl - but you excise the doors. Don't add up for me..
	12:03pm coelacanth: ("list"= fluctuating, noncommittal list)
	12:06pm Mark R.: Iggy Pop went to see the Doors in Ann Arbor in 1967 and the hall was filled with frat bros who just wanted to hear "Light My Fire." Morrison came on and antagonized them and insisted on singing every song in a ridiculous Betty Poop voice, which Iggy loved. The frat bros were outraged and booed them off the stage. About a half hour or so later, after all the bros had cleared out, the band returned and played a blistering set that only a tiny handful of die-hards, Iggy included, stuck around to see.
	🥁 12:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Dolls are just definitive Rawk - exactly between the Stones & Pistols. If you play - I think that makes a difference. Johnny Thunders just defines the human being as Riff. They just did that so well...& great songs. That 1st album - it just gets it. ...Here's a question: Is is Segregation that keeps 'What's Going On' off peoples Top 20? Cause - it should probably be there...
	12:08pm coelacanth: agreed (with all)...the doors get dissed unfairly because Morrison was such a buffoon at times; but that shouldn't negate his genius. ...i'll have to possibly disagree about one thing: soft parade! only 1 good song on there! not acceptable!
	🥁 12:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Mark R. : There's that whole side to the doors that is not represented by the Hits. The film 'The Doors are Open' shows some of that. Only the Velvets & Dylan playing electric to people he knew it would p.o. could say to be that Punk that early. Maybe the Fugs & Mothers & Monks...
	12:11pm coelacanth: Mark, Great story! - and yeah, "what's going on" is Special.
	🥁 12:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...uh...Jazz was real good too, Sir. Thanks!
	12:12pm coelacanth: Thanks Jeff! Excellent as always. ciao peeps.
	12:12pm Jeff Golick: Ha! Thanks, and be well, all!
	12:13pm Gary: Thanks Jeff!

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June 26, 2016: What is this thing called raga?

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	The Singles	Evidence	1974/1996
Wadada Leo Smith	Prayer "Prayer" by "Wadada Leo Smith"	The Mass on the World	Moers	1978	[as Leo Smith Trio]
James Newton	One for Strayhorn "One for Strayhorn" by "James Newton"	Water Mystery	Gramavision	1986
Fred Hersch Trio	What Is This Thing Called Love?	Sarabande	Sunnyside	1987
Cecil Taylor	This Nearly Was Mine	The World of Cecil Taylor	Candid	1960
Chick Corea and Gary Burton	Feelings & Things	Crystal Silence	ECM	1973
Music behind DJ: Chaz Jankel	To Woo Lady Kong "To Woo Lady Kong" by "Chaz Jankel"
Kaoru Abe [阿部薫]	No. 2 "No. 2" by "Kaoru Abe [阿部薫]"	Winter 1972	P.S.F. Records	1972
Next Delusion [aka Boris Hauf Sextet]	Bleed	Next Delusion	Shameless	2016
Time Zone feat. Afrika Bambaataa & John Lydon	World Destruction	World Destruction 12''	Celluloid	1984	(Bernie Worrell, RIP)
Funkadelic	If You Don't Like the Effects, Don't Produce the Cause	America Eats Its Young	Westbound	1972
Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath	Do It	Brotherhood	RCA	1971
Music behind DJ: Natural Food	Fair Breeze on Buzzard's Bay
Derek Bailey & Han Bennink	When Day Is Done and Shadows Fall I Think of You	Derek Bailey & Han Bennink	Incus	1972
Davy Graham	She Moved Thru' the Bizarre / Blue Raga	The Guitar Player	Pye	1963	[live bonus cut]
Kronos Quartet \| Terry Riley (comp.)	Mythic Birds Waltz	Cadenza on the Night Plain and Other String Quartets	Gramavision	1985
Robbie Basho	Rocky Mountain Raga "Rocky Mountain Raga" by "Robbie Basho"	Rocky Mountain Raga - Live from Elgin - 1981	Topa Topa	1981
Brandon Evans	part one "part one" by "Brandon Evans"	Eulogy for Marco Eneidi	Brandon Evans	2016
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"
The Clash	Safe European Home "Safe European Home" by "The Clash"	Give 'Em Enough Rope	CBS	1978
The Fall	The Classical "The Classical" by "The Fall"	Hex Enduction Hour	Kamera Records	1982
These New Puritans	We Want War "We Want War" by "These New Puritans"	Hidden	Domino	2010
Jukka Hauru	Mai-Ling "Mai-Ling" by "Jukka Hauru"	Information	Finnlevy	1972
Graham Collier Music	Song Two (Ballad)	Songs for My Father	Fontana	1970
Au	The Waltz "The Waltz" by "Au"	Verbs	Aagoo Records	2008
Solaris	The In Section "The In Section" by "Solaris"	Summer Edits	Linear Obsessional	2016
Wadada Leo Smith	Spirit Catcher "Spirit Catcher" by "Wadada Leo Smith"	Spirit Catcher	Nessa	1979	[as Leo Smith]
Enchanters	A Fool Like Me "A Fool Like Me" by "Enchanters"	Eccentric Soul: Sitting in the Park	Numero Group	1973/2016
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975

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Listener comments!
	🥁 9:26am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Great track this here Hersch pianer tinkler & associates.
	9:26am Andrew Waterloo: good morning
	9:27am Jeff Golick: G'morning, @Rev and @Andrew. Welcome.
	🥁 9:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& a tender Taylor of all things - a touch of Monk?...
	9:31am Jeff Golick: Yeah, I am hearing Monk, too, @RRN63.
	🥁 9:54am doctorjazz: Late arrival, looks like I missed a great first set (archive will be visited later), now taking you out on the Ozzie walk. Good morning!
	10:01am Jeff Golick: Hello and happy walking, @doctorjazz!
	10:19am coelacanth: good morning Jeff and Outies
	10:22am Jeff Golick: Hiya hiya, @coelacanth!
	🥁 10:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Before even Bert Jansch. Just sayifyin'. Popularized, maybe even originated the DADGAD tuning that is now standard throughout all of Irish Trad.
	10:34am Jeff Golick: Graham is a major, major figure, one I only recently became aware of, thanks largely to D:O co-conspirator Jeff Jackson, plus the book ELECTRIC EDEN.
	10:35am Jeff Golick: (Terry Riley bday, June 24th.)
	10:38am coelacanth: Jeff -regarding your mic break question... it seems to me that, although there must've always been short-sighted people, reagan (or, maybe more accurately the machine he was part of...the bush family,etc.) was a major factor in the masses deciding that selfishness and short-term satisfaction was the way to go. .....(not that my groggy head wants to have a sociopolitical discussion now!)
	10:42am coelacanth: Happy birthday Mr. Riley!
	10:46am Gary: Yay!
	10:47am Jeff Golick: @coel: it does seem to be baked into the "prosperity doctrine" -- "I got mine and that's all that matters, because it's inherently good!" The inability to empathize with our fellow citizens, to find common ground, seems like a massive psychological failing on a near-global scale. I don't understand it, but then my perspective is shaped by my own relatively sheltered, privileged life-bubble. Back to the music.
	🥁 10:47am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Greed is Good ! ...but this piece is better...
	10:47am Jeff Golick: I see you there, @Gary! And wonderful it is to see you.
	10:51am coelacanth: Jeff, it's a shame - but yes, back to the Music! ...i hope things in your personal life have eased-up on you, by the way.
	10:52am Jeff Golick: Thanks so much, @coelacanth. Yes, on the family front things are looking up.
	10:53am coelacanth: Very happy to hear that!
	10:55am Jeff Golick: Yah, me too! Robbie really doesn't need to sing. Who'd like to tell him that? Show of hands?
	🥁 10:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...generally - if people could sing real well - they probably wouldn't become exceptional guitarists...I dunno what McCartney's deal is...
	11:00am Jeff Golick: Just lucky, I guess.
	11:03am coelacanth: Terry Reid's another. Extraordinary singer and Excellent guitarist.
	🥁 11:09am doctorjazz: Great drone-y set. nice to listen to on the hot walk (nice to be back in Air conditioning for the rest of the show, though).
	11:14am Gary: I have never received more visible/audible scorn from record store clerks than when I brought Clash albums or DVDs up to the register
	11:15am Jeff Golick: Well that's lame.
	11:16am coelacanth: really Gary? i don't get that.
	11:16am coelacanth: (as long as it's pre-combat rock!)
	11:17am Ike: Morning!
	11:17am Jeff Golick: Heya, hi, @Ike!
	11:18am Gary: I know! Well, the first time it was my own fault -- I was in the Stockton, California Tower Records, and went apeshit when I saw Sandinista! I brought it up to the register, visibly trembling, and started to blather uncontrollably about how awesome it was that they put this 3-album set out so soon after London Calling ...
	🥁 11:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Really Gary? Interesting. Perhaps for Punk they are what R.E.M. became for Alternative - the success that everyone else gets to hate. Like Dylan in the early 60s for Folkies - or The Beatles for everything...or U2 - justifiably (harhar)...It's that Stadium threshold...but The Clash were tragic enuff & broke up...Yeah everyone wanted to be The Clash...But I think they succeeded if not in making the entire world politically righteous thru Rawk than in making good Poetry about it. If you can get to that...
	11:20am coelacanth: my friend Carl was calling the clash "the only band that matters" before they put that in their marketing campaign. ... he wanted our band to be an all-clash cover band. i might not have vetoed that if i'd known we'd end up covering no less than 4 Joe Jackson songs!
	11:21am Andrew Waterloo: At least there's a bit of tongue-in-cheek when Fall fans refer to The Fall as the only band that matters.
	🥁 11:21am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in other words - I think they were upfront about expressing sociopolitical unease, rather than having the solutions to it all. & - when I did that thing of Top 20 Albums Ever (impossible) - The Clash's 1st, not Ramones or Pistols (! somehow)...
	11:22am Gary: Man I would have a hard time choosing my 20 favorite albums
	11:24am Jeff Golick: My thought, too, Gary. Maybe my favorite 20 albums as of right now, 6/26, 11:25 am. Subject to change at 11:30.
	🥁 11:24am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Gary Sullivan's Top 20 Albums - that you never heard of - this afternoon. Yeah - it's an exercise, as Lists must be. So brutally few. You have to get Symbolic... www.20albums.com...
	11:25am Andrew Waterloo: Choosing them would be hard, not revising the list 4 times a day for the next two weeks would be even harder.
	🥁 11:27am doctorjazz: I'd find it impossible...Maybe the best beebop albums my an artist with the initials CP...
	11:27am coelacanth: the 'pistols - eh. a few Great songs... the ramones - Awesome when they started, but never released a perfect album. the clash's first & second albums both qualify as perfect, in my mind; and Sandinista! is way up there as well.
	🥁 11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - so I end up being very Critics' Choice - yet I really do feel these albums. No Stones even - no Kinks, Bowie... The whole thing of Punk is it was meant to be totally temporal In the Moment dADa - Destroy Rawk & be disposable - & it kind of succeeded too well to be assessed properly even now! The Pistols (& their one album) epitomized that (what's a Berlin Wall, grampa??) - & The Ramones weren't about albums - or I might be wrong...or just late - & didn't start collecting until honestly 'Road to Ruin'...they were that obscure still - tho' their 1st two should be on the List... It would take @ least 50 Albums to begin to make sense...
	11:32am coelacanth: when i moved to where i live now, i applied for a job at rhino records. the application included "list your top 10 favorite albums". i couldn't and didn't do it. i wrote 21 or 22 and apologised. ...i didn't get the job.
	11:32am Andrew Waterloo: I'd start with my Last FM stats but I can't remember listening to that DJ Olive album www.last.fm...
	🥁 11:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I could never pay rent working music stores (granted I lived in Santa Barbara) - & always had too many on hold.
	11:34am Jeff Golick: @coel: well that's just cruel.
	11:35am coelacanth: haha! i thought so!
	11:36am Andrew Waterloo: the first qualification for my top 10 is an album I typically listen to front to back and then some.
	11:37am Jeff Golick: So I'm concerned that I have the L/R channel cables in the wrong places. If I switch them, there will be a brief break in the music -- can you handle that, and perhaps tell me if there's any difference?
	🥁 11:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bass is more usually channeled Left as it seems to be this moment...
	11:39am Jeff Golick: Can you hear the horn blowing on top pretty well?
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It sounds fine here.
	11:40am Gary: I'm listening to the show via my phone (not this computer, which I'm just typing on) to a single bluetooth speaker, so I can't really offer much of an opinion as to the stereophonic nature of today's broadcast
	11:41am Andrew Waterloo: sounds fine to me, but my head feels like a lumpy pillow
	11:42am Andrew Waterloo: I love those little Bluetooth speakers. Especially not being tethered to a wall socket.
	11:43am Jeff Golick: Ok, thanks. Maybe I'll fiddle around with it on some off-hours.
	11:46am Jeff Golick: Might go a wee tad over today.
	11:47am coelacanth: (it sounds good to me, but i'm not familiar with what you're playing) ....Rabbit -to be sure, i appreciate the importance of the sexpistols, it's just that (and even at the time) it sounds like fairly straight-forward rock music with a snarling singer. only a few of their songs actually move me. ...and i LOVE the ramones! i know they're not so about albums, but man they put some abominations on record! with the exception of "rocket to russia",i made my own edits of all their albums. (4 that is... to me they only had 4 albums!)
	🥁 11:51am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: NY Dolls 1st should be on a List - & the Pistols' sound owes more to that than anything. The Ramones came up w/ a unique amalgam of Pop & Rawk & so many things - like the Early Beatles did. Really - they are Pop Art of the highest order to my mind: perfectly Designed ! Rawk is also about Gestures - & in this, the Pistols were about as relevant as anything's that's happened.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Agreed, though the impact of the gesture is often lost as time passes, and all we're left with is the document.
	🥁 11:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...also no room in 20 for the doors' 1st - & as divisive as they are around FMU & elsewhere - that's really important for me - & I'd maintain hugely influential...
	11:59am coelacanth: i don't know why, but i always liked new york dolls, but never "loved" 'em....but i agree with everything else @11:51. ...and "the doors" is another example of extraordinary, profoundly relevant music sharing a record with trite filler. despite this, it's pretty high on my "list".
	🥁 12:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the Pistols imploded & exploded immediately - as they were designed to do...as Pete Townshend intended TheWho to do but got diverted...whereas the Ramones carried on a formula intrepidly...like soldiers, but also past any new innovation. It's tricky business ! Yeah - but I maintain the doors' 1st is on point. & none of their albums are dismissable on the whole. On my 20 I got 'FunHouse' & 'VU w/ Nico' (how that can evade any List is beyond me) - so I think the doors are implied. & that's my argument for the doors generally: you say Arthur Lee & Iggy & the Bunnymen are kewl - but you excise the doors. Don't add up for me..
	12:03pm coelacanth: ("list"= fluctuating, noncommittal list)
	12:06pm Mark R.: Iggy Pop went to see the Doors in Ann Arbor in 1967 and the hall was filled with frat bros who just wanted to hear "Light My Fire." Morrison came on and antagonized them and insisted on singing every song in a ridiculous Betty Poop voice, which Iggy loved. The frat bros were outraged and booed them off the stage. About a half hour or so later, after all the bros had cleared out, the band returned and played a blistering set that only a tiny handful of die-hards, Iggy included, stuck around to see.
	🥁 12:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Dolls are just definitive Rawk - exactly between the Stones & Pistols. If you play - I think that makes a difference. Johnny Thunders just defines the human being as Riff. They just did that so well...& great songs. That 1st album - it just gets it. ...Here's a question: Is is Segregation that keeps 'What's Going On' off peoples Top 20? Cause - it should probably be there...
	12:08pm coelacanth: agreed (with all)...the doors get dissed unfairly because Morrison was such a buffoon at times; but that shouldn't negate his genius. ...i'll have to possibly disagree about one thing: soft parade! only 1 good song on there! not acceptable!
	🥁 12:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Mark R. : There's that whole side to the doors that is not represented by the Hits. The film 'The Doors are Open' shows some of that. Only the Velvets & Dylan playing electric to people he knew it would p.o. could say to be that Punk that early. Maybe the Fugs & Mothers & Monks...
	12:11pm coelacanth: Mark, Great story! - and yeah, "what's going on" is Special.
	🥁 12:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...uh...Jazz was real good too, Sir. Thanks!
	12:12pm coelacanth: Thanks Jeff! Excellent as always. ciao peeps.
	12:12pm Jeff Golick: Ha! Thanks, and be well, all!
	12:13pm Gary: Thanks Jeff!

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