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Options September 4, 2017: Few Horses Have Ever Seen

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Artist Track Album Label
Libaaxyada Maaweeliska Banaadir  Naga Tag, Kac Hooya ("Get Lost! Rise Up! Got It?")   Options Xiddigtii Is Xujeysay ("The Self-Denouncing Star")  Unknown 
Marthe Ashagari  Näkakkaññ   Options Four Famous Singers  Ambassel Music Shop 
King Wasiu Ayinde Marshal I  Orin Eyo   Options Consolidation  Babalaje 
Systeme Gazeur  Te Memin Houmyoua   Options Mamie Ton Alloco  EMI 
Tabou Combo  Pression D'Haiti   Options A La Canne A Sucre  La Canne A Sucre 
Orchestra Vijana Jazz  Nyongise (Kihehe)   Options Hayati Maneti (Last Recording)  Ahadi 
Meat Puppets  Away   Options Up on the Sun  SST 
Ray Tracing  Mariopaint   Options Selectors 002 (Young Marco)  Dekmantel 
Gangsta Boo  Mask 2 My Face (ft. Boogaloo)   Options Both Worlds *69  Hypnotize Minds 
Lil B  Free Life   Options Black Ken  Self-Released 
Gucci Mane  Muscless N My Hand   Options Str8 Drop Presents: Gucci Mane La Flare  Straight Drop 
Fiedel  Positron   Options Trinidad  Fiedelone 
Koeosaeme  isBuffer   Options Sonorant  Orange Milk 
Forest Drive West  Scanners   Options hJinx / Scanners  Livity Sound 
AFX  Nightmail 1   Options Orphans  Warp 
Physical Therapy  Hit the Breaks (Bonus Beats)   Options Hit the Breaks  Liberation Technologies 
Peter Gordon & Love Of Life Orchestra  Condo   Options Condo  Foom 
Bambooman  Whispers (ft. Else Hewitt)   Options Whispers  Accidental Jnr 
La Düsseldorf  Geld   Options Viva  Radar 
Harald Grosskopf  Emphasis   Options Synthesist  Bureau B 
Harry Nilsson  Everything is Food (Demo)   Options Popeye Demos   
Lord Lebby  Dr. Kinsey's Report   Options Calypsos From Jamaica  Ritmo Musica Tropical 
Unknown  Stickman   Options Carribean Folk Music Vol 1  Folkways 
Duo Voces de America y Los Montunos  Mi Son Es Un Misterio   Options Nico Saquito  Areito 
Sexteto Borinquen  El Yerbero   Options El Rey Del Tres  Ansonia 
Los Ahijados  Yo Por Ti   Options Sigue Afincando  Discolor 
John Cale  Darling I Need You   Options Fragments of a Rainy Season  Domino 
Uri Caine Trio  Snaggletooth   Options Live at the Village Vangaurd  Winter & Winter 
Candeias  Palmeiras   Options Sambaiana  Discos Mediterraneo, S.A. 
Chris Speed Trio  Stardust   Options Platinum on Tap  Intakt 
Two Bands and a Legend  You Ain't Gonna Know Me 'Cos You Think You Know Me   Options Two Bands and a Legend  Smalltown Superjazz 
Humbertona  Miss Perfumado   Options Morna Ca So Dor  Morabeza 
Dock Boggs  Cuba   Options Folkways Years: 1963-1968  Folkways 
Nina de la Puebla  Si tu para te abandona   Options I'm Always Crying  Death Is Not The End 
Bruce Springsteen  Two Faces   Options Tunnel of Love  Columbia 

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:00pm melinda:

hi horsies
  9:02pm Doug Schulkind:

Radio Unspelllable!
Avatar 9:03pm coelacanth∅:

hi Sam and equestrians, former equestrians, eclectians...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:04pm Sam Segal:

Howdy, @Melinda, @Doug, and @Coelacanth! I'm back on my home broadcast console for the first time in awhile. Be sure to alert me to any and all technical irregularities.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:07pm Uncle Michael:

time is loose!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:08pm melinda:

Sounds fine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:09pm Uncle Michael:

you sound fine...the mic sounds a *little* thin...nothing dramatically wrong with it. Level is fine.
  9:12pm Carmichael:

Dude, you DO know how to cook ...
  9:12pm Doug Schulkind:

Live from Bushwick! That's almost as exotic a locale as Topeka!
Avatar 9:12pm coelacanth∅:

this track is cookin' so you're on your way
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:12pm Sam Segal:

Thanks, @UM! I just put a little more low end on it, so we'll see what happens next break.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:14pm Uncle Michael:

low end on the mic only, I trust.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:15pm Sam Segal:

@UM: Correct!
  9:16pm Doug Schulkind:

The app on my device is not able to spell the name of this track. It's giving me six boxes with a question mark inside each.
Avatar 9:18pm coelacanth∅:

i have 6 boxes with the number 12 in each, above various other numbers and letters. (4 characters/box)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:18pm Sam Segal:

Oh, thanks for the heads up, @Doug. The app must not have the Ge'ez font.
Avatar 9:20pm still b/p:

This is great. Is it belaboring the obvious to note that cooks in contemporary studios go (not that they necessarily shouldn't) for autotune and go for processing/synth/tech controls to get the vocal dynamics and fractional stops that we're happily getting direct right here from the human source?
Avatar 9:20pm coelacanth∅:

(i guess i could've just done this: (ዳርልን (ባሌ))

...but now it's all there!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:27pm Sam Segal:

I'm not opposed to tasteful dollops of auto-tune in some contexts, @sbp! Sometimes the synthetic quality is exactly the emotional quality the music needs (e.g. Kanye West's brilliant "808s and Heartbreak")
Avatar 9:31pm coelacanth∅:

i cannot agree. i won't say what they shouldn't do, but i know i'll never want to hear it.
...i noted yesterday when i heard a Sinead O'Connor song that i quite dislike (i do quite like many Sinead O'Connor songs...) that i'd rather hear a boring, predictable - in my opinion really crappy song with real vocals than anything at all using autotune. (in any style or language, it seems)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34pm Uncle Michael:

When used as an effect, I don't see it as different than using a sonovox, voorder or talk box.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34pm Uncle Michael:

Avatar 9:36pm still b/p:

I've heard some uses that has some noodle-y fun. But if anything cries out for a merciful end to pedestrian, pathetic, pain-in-the collar-button, indiscriminate OVERuse, it is that ol' autotune. Guilty producers should be made to wear a scarlet A in shame.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37pm Sam Segal:

I agree with you, @UM. I also think most artists who choose to use Autotune do it for effect, rather than a desire to fool the listener into thinking they have perfect pitch.
Avatar 9:41pm coelacanth∅:

UM@9.34 3 effects i also generally don't want to hear!
...there are exceptions, where i can sort of tolerate it, occasionally. (Frampton being a notable one)

when Cher did it - first(ish) it was a novelty so was interesting. that's an exception.
Neil Young's use of it was part of his expression, regarding his autistic son. another exception.
Avatar 9:42pm still b/p:

...but unless someone uses it for that signature "effected" sound, do we even know when artists are using it for pitch correction? I've heard or read comments from discouraged industry people saying young recording artists today just expect to have their vocals fixed that way as a matter of course. It's all they know.
Avatar 9:44pm coelacanth∅:

it just feels so dehumanizing to me, the way it's almost always used. "perfect" singing is so boring, as well as insincere.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:44pm melinda:

So what effect does autotune create? I don't know if I could identify it, and it sounds like it doesn't create perfect pitch but rather something else, since it is a source of irritation to some.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45pm JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

Avatar 9:45pm coelacanth∅:

so Sam, yes (@9.37) - as an effect i don't hate it, fundamentally...but it still rubs me the wrong way!
Avatar 9:48pm coelacanth∅:

melinda - the way it's usually used, it converts all notes a singer sings to the notes heshe would liked to have been able to sing, so talentless people can still become famous with the brainwashed general public.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50pm doctorjazz:

Not sure I recognize the sound of it..probably better off that way. Don't listen to much pop stuff. If I keened into the sound, I expect I'd be annoyed (or not...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50pm JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:51pm melinda:

So, does someone with genuine perfect pitch irritate in the same way?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:51pm JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

Avatar 9:51pm coelacanth∅:

i don't know this artist you mention, but it sounds like the effect he's going for is "boring"!
Avatar 9:53pm coelacanth∅:

melinda - certainly not! autotune makes a human sound like a machine. (to greatly varying degrees) this is what i don't like.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:53pm Uncle Michael:

Meat Puppets sound like Phish?

I'll mull that over.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:54pm JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

Avatar 9:58pm coelacanth∅:

okay - i thought autotune was a brand of pitch-correction devices.

i'd like to hear some autotune that doesn't "correct" pitch; as an effect. i probably won't like the music it's used in, for the most part - but i'd like to know the difference.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:00pm Sam Segal:

@Coelacanth, I will prepare some introductory materials for next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:01pm Sam Segal:

@UM: Specifically on Up on the Sun. Obviously not on MP's more hardcore stuff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:01pm doctorjazz:

The curmudgeon in me says, pitch correct fits in an age where you don't need to learn to play music to make records, and don't have to learn to sing to sing on them.
Avatar 10:01pm coelacanth∅:

Thank you Sam. i hope i can be here. mondays are sometimes problematic for me these days.
Avatar 10:02pm still b/p:

Melinda, if you want clear examples of the um, more controversial use...I suggest listening (re-listening?) to Cher's "Believe." When her vocal occasionally does the quick warbley little up and down thing that sounds artificial and slightly synthesized, it's cuz it is. That's the effect that producers and artists sometimes go bananas with in the last 15+ years.
You can hear it a lot in a track from Big Blood with their daughter doing the vocal, and I don't mind it here although it's heavy. It's in this in Ken playlist at 56:42 (With Tracy and Hepburn in the adjacent image.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:03pm doctorjazz:

(love the sax on this, Lil B)
Avatar 10:03pm still b/p:

THIS playlist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm Doug Schulkind:

I adore auto-tune when overused by Algerian pop stars. ADORE it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm Sam Segal:

@DoctorJazz! In all this Autotune hullabaloo I forgot to say hello and welcome.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm melinda:

Thanks for the examples b/p. I'll look them up.
Avatar 10:07pm coelacanth∅:

haha Doug - i do not!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm doctorjazz:

(thought I'd slip in unnoticed in all the commotion...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm Sam Segal:

For some moreglobal perspective on Autotune, I highly recommend Christopher Kirkley's radio show, "Autotune the World" on NTS. Kirkley is the founder of the great Sahel Sounds label.
Avatar 10:10pm still b/p:

And those Algerian tracks often sound like they're recorded at nutty hot levels, too, for more force in the fun.
  10:11pm Carmichael:

I remember watching Hullabaloo.
Avatar 10:12pm coelacanth∅:

what commotion? just diverging tastes and sensitivities.
...imagine if we all liked exactly the same music! then we'd all be MAKING the same music.
...oh wait; that's what the commercial music industry is going for. never mind!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13pm Sam Segal:

Right you are, @Coelacanth!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13pm melinda:

Parts of Believe had a nice echoey quality, others had a synthetic ickiness I don't like and have complained about before.
Avatar 10:13pm coelacanth∅:

i'm link-phobic. i wonder if that one will freeze my laptop.
Avatar 10:16pm still b/p:

I have dim memories of Hullaboo and, in our house, the associated parental disdain. And don't forget "Shindig!"
Avatar 10:16pm coelacanth∅:

ahh, a nice, clean web page! i bookmarked "autotune the world". i may have to use my other laptop to listen though.
  10:18pm Carmichael:

Yup, b/p. Also, Where the Action Is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18pm melinda:

Ok the Big Blood daughter vocal is definitely of the synthetic quality I've been complaining about, although I agree it does work ok in that instance. But yes, I've been wondering about the mania for this alteration technique. I thought of it as nasal robot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:19pm melinda:

Back to the music of this show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20pm doctorjazz:

Where's Dick Clark when we need him?
Avatar 10:20pm coelacanth∅:

i'm not unhappy or ashamed to report that when i think of the words "hullabaloo" & "shindig" i think of "bulbous bouffant".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm Sam Segal:

I think you'll find it interesting at the very least, @Coelacanth! I don't always dig everything he plays, but it's nice to have a place to go for contemporary African pop music, when often times I feel like Westerners (myself included) present "global" pop as a historic phenomenon.
Avatar 10:23pm coelacanth∅:

i'm up for it!
Avatar 10:23pm still b/p:

In a Ronnie Spector interview from the 80s replayed a few days ago, she boasts of pushing those 'dos wicked HIGH for image distinction/memorability.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:24pm Uncle Michael:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm melinda:

Those were great hairdos. I like extreme hair.
Avatar 10:31pm coelacanth∅:

i had sort of extreme hair once. i looked ridiculous. it's what i was going for. i worked at a cemetery at the time. the director didn't love it.

  10:31pm Carmichael:

Beach Blanket Babylon hair.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:32pm melinda:

What style of extreme hair?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:32pm doctorjazz:

Time to get ready for bed, thanks, Sam.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:32pm Uncle Michael:

I'm turning in.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:33pm Uncle Michael:

Night all. Thanks, Sam.
Avatar 10:33pm coelacanth∅:

ugh. sort of like the guy from a flock of seagulls.

Avatar 10:34pm coelacanth∅:

haha! 'night Uncle M; doctorj
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:34pm Doug Schulkind:

What are you turning into, Uncle Michael?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm melinda:

@coel haha
Avatar 10:42pm still b/p:

I was out on a boat today, and though I feel fine, now my brain and inner ear are doing the lingering, mildly vertiginous, gryroscopic recalibration/reorienting after-effect thing, as if my head and chair are doing a little sea motion.
  10:47pm Carmichael:

Now is the time on Sprockets ven ve danz!
Avatar 10:56pm coelacanth∅:

ride the wave, still b/p
Avatar 11:01pm still b/p:

...and then a Popeye demo track comes on! Such converging sea freaky currents...like, whoa!
Avatar 11:03pm coelacanth∅:

Avatar 11:27pm coelacanth∅:

i make field recordings of cicadas and owls and such, and i always ask, but they rarely give me their names. i try though i really do.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:32pm Sam Segal:

Hahahaha @Coelacanth, as long as you're at least attempting to get their names, addresses, and phone numbers, you've done your due diligence.
Avatar 11:36pm coelacanth∅:

yes i do at least get their addresses - so i can send them their checks.
Avatar 12:00am coelacanth∅:

Thanks Sam! Superb program.
good night.
Avatar 12:01am still b/p:

Enjoyed, enjoyed. Riding off on my not-lost
seahorse, thanks.
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