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I play music that is old and that is new. Some of it is digital while some is analog. It is from many different countries; sometimes it is loud and at other times it is quiet.

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Artist Track Album Label Year Comments Approx. start time
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Rabih Abou Khalil  Caravan   Options Roots & Sprouts  MMP  1990    0:03:00 (Pop‑up)
Abd al-Rahman al-Khamissi  Hind (cha-cha-cha) - هند   Options Respectable Families  Radio Martiko  2018    0:08:02 (Pop‑up)
Swing Slow  Disappeared   Options Swing Slow  Mercury  1996    0:11:17 (Pop‑up)
Alice Coltrane  Blue Nile   Options Ptah The El Daoud  Impulse!   1970    0:17:46 (Pop‑up)
Sun Ra & His Arkestra  The Nile (Part 1)   Options Sun Ra Exotica        0:24:52 (Pop‑up)
Razen  The Night Receptionist Pt. II   Options The Night Receptionist  Meakusma  2018    0:29:45 (Pop‑up)
Delia Derbyshire  Blue Veils and Golden Sands   Options BBC Radiophonic Music  BBC Radio Enterprises  1968    0:36:41 (Pop‑up)
Pierre Bastien + Dominique Grimo  Caravana Dyslexia   Options Rag-Time vol. 2  In-Poly-Sons   2008    0:40:04 (Pop‑up)
Nikkatsu Wayo Kangen-gakudan 日活和洋管絃楽団, 唄=千種露子, 説明=谷天郎  Sabaku ni hi wa ochite 砂漠に陽は落ちて (Sing Me A Song Of Araby)   Options Hatano Orchestra and its era 1922-1929 ハタノ・オーケストラとその時代 1922-1929        0:43:47 (Pop‑up)
Eto Kunieda エト邦枝  Casbah no Onna カスバの女 (A Woman of Casbah)   Options Asian Connection  Teichiku   1995  Original 1955  0:47:13 (Pop‑up)
Hisaya Morishige 森繁久彌  Tsuki no sabaku 月の砂漠 (Moon Desert)   Options   Nippon Columbia   1960    1:02:31 (Pop‑up)
Russ Garcia and His Orchestra  Red Sands Of Mars   Options Fantastica  Liberty  1982    1:05:58 (Pop‑up)
Karl Suessdorf/John Blackburn  Caravan   Options The Microcosm: Visionary Music of Continental Europe, 1970-1986  Light In The Attic  2016    1:08:12 (Pop‑up)
PJ Harvey  A Line In The SandThe Hope Six Demolition Project   Options The Hope Six Demolition Project  Island   2016    1:11:36 (Pop‑up)
Vicktor Taiwò  Rolling In The Rapids   Options Joy Comes In Spirit  Innovative Leisure   2018    1:14:50 (Pop‑up)
Mark Fell  Intra-2   Options Intra  Boomkat Editions  2018    1:16:32 (Pop‑up)
Oswaldo Lares  Quitiplas   Options Musica De Venezuela 1972-1981  TAL  2017    1:21:36 (Pop‑up)
Mossi Koranic  Djongo   Options Savannah Rhythms -Burkina Faso  Nonesuch  2002    1:25:41 (Pop‑up)
Etran de L'Aïr  Mon Amour   Options No. 1  Sahel Sounds  2018    1:30:04 (Pop‑up)
Malc Smith (Mudhutters)  Lookin Over Under Yonder / Mountain Song   Options northern Lights Vol 1        1:35:18 (Pop‑up)
Unknown  Acoli Voice & Lute   Options Africa South of the Sahara  Folkways  1958    1:38:03 (Pop‑up)
Hasan Al-'ajamî  Qawma: Fertâsh   Options Yémen - The singing of Sanaa  2007  Ocora    1:41:03 (Pop‑up)
Yellow Magic Orchestra  Simoon   Options Yellow Magic Orchestra  Alfa  1978    2:06:55 (Pop‑up)

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Listener comments!

Avatar 12:00pm fred:

Good afternoon Mayuko and listeners. I have mirages of ice cream pools floating before my mind
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:01pm listener james from westwood:

Greetings, Mayuko and all, from the vermilion sands!
Avatar 12:03pm fred:

Avatar 12:07pm Mayuko:

Welcome, fred and james! I need caravan bringing me ice cream!!!
  12:09pm P-90:

Hello DJ Mayuko and Vertighosts.
  12:09pm P-90:

Avatar 12:10pm Mayuko:

Ha! I like "Vertighosts". Thanks for tuning in, P-90!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:12pm tmoyo:

Hi Mayuko & all!
Avatar 12:13pm Mayuko:

ello, tmoyo! Happy to have you here!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:14pm Doug Schulkind:

Vertigo go go! So much pleasures!
Avatar 12:15pm Mayuko:

Doug! Pleasure to have YOU listening!!
Avatar 12:16pm northguineahills:

Got here at a decent time!
Avatar 12:16pm fred:

@tmoyo: is it still so hot in Tokyo? You obviously survived... right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:16pm Bryce:

Avatar 12:18pm Kurt Gottschalk:

i couldn't get to the computer earlier but that 'caravan' was gorgeous.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:18pm tmoyo:

fred, it's still VERY HOT! The air is like soup... the humidity is the worst part. barely surviving!
  12:19pm P-90:

And congrats on rocking out millions of listeners in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania from the WFMU Broadcast Center on Monday night when you were the guest star filling in for Mr. Dave Hill.
It was a brilliant 3- hour full-color spectacle!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:20pm melinda:

hi Mayko and friends!
  12:24pm JakeGould:

Hey Mayuko!!!
  12:24pm rbrt:

this Alice Coltrane is magical
Avatar 12:24pm fred:

Doug, Bryce, and now Kurt checking in! You've got some serious FMU royalty in attendance today, Mayuko
  12:26pm JakeGould:

Hey Mayuko! I became a little bit famous this week for complaining to the MTA about them putting up a big blue wall on the train tracks and not telling anyone. I am quoted as saying, “This is bullshit.” and “WTF is this?” gothamist.com...
Avatar 12:26pm Mayuko:

Hey ngh! Glad you made the first set!

Avatar 12:27pm Mayuko:

Aw thank you Kurt!!! I tried!
  12:27pm rbrt:

@Jake haha that was you???
Avatar 12:27pm Mayuko:

Hi melinda, Jake and rbrt!! Thanks for tuning in!!!
Avatar 12:27pm northguineahills:

One of my house spiders caught a roach (never seen that before). She's enveloping it now. She's 1/20th its size, she'll eat like a queen for months (and then probably grow too big to be a house spider and will have to move outside.
  12:28pm rbrt:

hi Mayuko!
  12:28pm JakeGould:

@Mayuko: Yes! I was the first person to notice the bible wall nobody told anybody about… Like a children’s story but more horrible and realistic.
  12:30pm JakeGould:

Damned spellcheck, I meant to say, “…notice the big blue wall…”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:30pm coelacanth∅:

hello Mayuko and others
Avatar 12:31pm fred:

@JakeGould: That's what I call being a stand-up citizen. Well done, sir
Avatar 12:31pm Mayuko:

Jake I saw you becoming famous in real time!! I had to literally laugh out loud when I saw that blue wall. Then saw it in NY post or something?, in some news with your comments! That was too funny.
Avatar 12:31pm northguineahills:

@Jake: The Gothamist site is a hot mess as well. Time to delete some cookies (nothing nefarious, just ad added weight)
  12:31pm P-90:

was wondering a bout this "bible wall" in the subway...
  12:32pm rbrt:

#wethecommuters is great to see the hot mess that is the MTA lol
  12:32pm JakeGould:

Thanks for appreciating!
Avatar 12:34pm Mayuko:

@P-90 Thank you for kind comment re:Mon! That was a fun night.

Welcome on board, coelacanth∅!!
Avatar 12:36pm fred:

I would have just got off the train and walked (I don't have a phone, and I'm generally a coward anyway)
  12:36pm JakeGould:

MTA: “Hey! Let’s put up a big blue wall for one full year and not tell utterly anybody—including train conductors—about it!”
Another MTA Person: “Great idea!”
  12:38pm JakeGould:

Anyway, I want it to cool down. I actually experience an urban mirage a few days ago. It was so hot and I decided to walk 20+ blocks anyway. I end up in a grocery and am staring at the candy and all of the labels are blurring into one. Somehow I was on the edge of fainting for a few blocks and managed not to faint or get hit by a car.
Avatar 12:39pm fred:

This Delia Derbyshire track is lovely
Avatar 12:54pm fred:

I wish Swagmas will come soon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:56pm Jeff Golick:

Doing as I'm told. Hello.
Avatar 12:57pm fred:

And now Jeff. This playlist is turning into the most exclusive club in radio
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:59pm tmoyo:

swagmas has arrived here!
the version on the premium is Arabiya no uta (Sing Me A Song of Araby) Kikuko Inoue & Shouchiku-za Jazz Band
  1:02pm Rickwaukee:

Was just going to say an aspect of Orientalism has a feeling of SciFi to it
  1:03pm listener james from westwood:

Still working my way thru Said’s “Orientalism.” It’s spinach-y in spots.
Avatar 1:05pm Mayuko:

Oh yeah! Kikuko Inoue version! Thanks tmoyo!!!
Avatar 1:05pm Mayuko:

Hallos Jeff G!!!!!!
  1:05pm Rickwaukee:

A world somewhat familiar but "off axis" "exotic" "new" "to be discovered". Not necessarily exploited. No getting around European/American seeing everything from stance of superiority though
Avatar 1:18pm Mayuko:

@Rickwaukee I find it tough to speak clearly since it's complicated due to many flipping in this topic. Something "to be discovered" from the west now is something 'to discover' for the orient too, because the 'orient' is internalizing western view and disconnected from tradition. At the same time 'orient' is presenting this thing that's discovered as 'tradition" despite the disconnection.
Avatar 1:19pm fred:

I gave up on the Orientalism angle, probably for wrong reasons. I was just finding out about Edward Said when I was told I was an oppressor because I didn't know Frantz Fanon. I should have read him, but I just gave up. Very Bad Choice
Avatar 1:20pm Mayuko:

@Rickwaukee like when Japanese artist paint Geisha woman dressed in kimono. We no longer have much active geisha culture and I have no idea how to wear kimono even. But people in the west like that visual and Japanese people sell it as "tradition" though it's been dead for long and has nothing to do with us really.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:21pm Scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaps:

h'lo h'lo h'lo h'lo hey
Avatar 1:22pm Mayuko:

Scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps!!! Welcome, my radio family.
  1:22pm Dean:

I read Orientalism ages ago, mid-'80s. It's Culture & Imperialism that I have yet to endure: https://janeaustensummer.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/culture_and_imperialism.pdf

And I suspect your take on adoption of Western notions of what is "to be discovered" is exactly right, @Mayuko.
  1:23pm JakeGould:

Fetishizing a culture to fit a predetermined fantasy is something that comes from a position of power and entitlement. It’s annoying.
Avatar 1:25pm fred:

@Mayuko: Have Matt Warwick learn how to wear a Kimono by next marathon. That should bring a lot of pledges
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:25pm Jeff Golick:

This isn't about Orientalism, per se, but this discussion is reminding me of a very interesting book called A Whale Hunt, by Robert Sullivan. It's about a Pacific Northwest tribe that regains the right to hunt for whales in the traditional fashion, only no one really remembers how to do it anymore.
Avatar 1:25pm northguineahills:

Digging this Oswaldo Lares!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:26pm Jeff Golick:

( ^ That is a gross oversimplification, of course.)
  1:27pm Rickwaukee:

Uh oh, discovering a culture discovering itself via those who discovered them rediscovering it is indeed complicated
Avatar 1:28pm fred:

@Jeff Golick: oversimplifications tend to be gross, comes with the territory
  1:29pm P-90:

@Mayuko: but aren't there still traditionalists in Japan who like to study ad preserve arts like kimono, geisha, tea ceremony, flower arranging, swordsmanship, etc. as historical elements of Japanese culture, with the understanding that there is a modern Japan now that isn't all about those things?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:30pm coelacanth∅:

are there still other countries/cultures that dabble in the romanticized or exaggerated image of the us which depicts cowboys and homesteaders? many people in the us still imagine such a thing exists here, to some degree, "far" from where they live.
Avatar 1:30pm Mayuko:

Thanks Dean! I must read that to understand this really. Reading so hard :/ Thanks for the link!
  1:30pm JakeGould:

@P-90: Using that analogy, very few U.S. re-enact
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:30pm listener james from westwood:

@Mayuko: Not to derail from Orientalism, but I've been spending the show writing a real-live letter with real fountain pen. I've been trying to improve my handwriting and pen use and from what my correspondent tells me, both are better since even this winter. The music's been a lovely complement to the slow, careful production of words.
Avatar 1:31pm Mayuko:

@fred Oh! I'll try check out Frantz Fanon too. Looks interesting.
  1:31pm P-90:

I mean: they practice these traditions because they value them, not just to entertain or export to foreigners...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:31pm Jeff Golick:

@Rickwauke: that sums it up admirably. Throw in a gaggle of agitated eco-warriors and journalists, and it's quite a soup.
Avatar 1:32pm Mayuko:

@fred I was thinking, with this debut album cover YMO was trying to find a spot that is somehow real, that's neither nationalism/traditionalism, exoticism(western view) or oriental orientalism (internalizing western view) images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com...

I should probably request Matt to be my co-host and dress him like that cover!
  1:34pm JakeGould:

@P-90: Using that analogy, very few U.S. re-enactors ever are taken as representative of the whole of U.S. culture. Nobody ever says that Civil War re-enactors or people in Colonial Willuamburg or at the Alamo are representative of the whole of U.S. culture. Not the same with the way Western looks at other cultures.
  1:34pm Dean:

I recall checking out a volume from a university library for a colleague at work in the '80s, The Lost World of Irian Jaya, as he prepared to travel to IJ on a vacation. The book included photos of the tribes people, who not long before had never encountered Westerners. In the photos, they rode motorcycles and drank Coca Cola.

Etran de L'Air channeling Jerry Garcia, or vice versa.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:35pm paul b:

When I was a kid - and this was probably several several decades ago. I learned about the world by reading an illustrated book series (My Bookhouse) put together in the 1920's by Olive Beaupre Miller. I admit it did instill in me a fondness for romantic exoticism that I could never completely shake.

That the world is only occasionally as magical as those books suggested I hold against no one or thing.
  1:36pm P-90:

I said nothing that has anything to do with Civil War reenactments in the US.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:36pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, vertigo-seekers! I had to drive into town and now I'm in the shade of the library and their free wifi. It's comfortably mild and breezy. An oasis that any caravan would love.
Avatar 1:37pm fred:

One thing about Fanon is that is seems he wrote in French, which I have trouble reading, so I'd have to rely on a translation or go back to my native language. Neither option appeal to me
Avatar 1:39pm northguineahills:

You want a thrill, but you don't want take a pill?
Who're going call?
Ghost Peppers!

You have hunch, it's time for brunch!
Who're you going to call
Ghost Peppers!

/Seriously, this has become my crack lately....
Avatar 1:40pm fred:

@ngh: so I guess you're happy with how your crop came out
Avatar 1:42pm fred:

These last few tracks have been stellar
  1:42pm JakeGould:

Crush a ghost pepper in an attacker’s face.
Avatar 1:44pm northguineahills:

@fred: It's become a shrubbery, w/ more peppers then I know what to do w/, and most of my friends are too scared to try them.

@coel: In Germany, (especially East Germany), and most of eastern Europe, the American cowboy trope used to be a fetish. I think it's somewhat died down lately (there used to be cowboy and indian outdoor festivals in East Germany).
Avatar 1:44pm fred:

@JakeGould: Is that strong enough to melt a MTA blue wall?
Avatar 1:45pm northguineahills:

@Jake: "b/c you don't have any mace, who're you're going to call!"
Ghost Peppers!"
Avatar 1:45pm Mayuko:

@Jeff G that kind of thing really is similar to what I was thinking too! Like the indigenous Ainu people in Northern Japan, I have (and played here) recordings of their ritual starting with "we can not do this like our ancestors could, but we will do our best so please forgive us"

Because their lifestyle has been changed due to oppressors = Japanese main islanders, which I am part of. And our life styles have changed because of American influence. Nobody is connected to roots really in this industrialized world it feels. And the attempts to re-connect to roots can often be used by nationalists.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:47pm Ike:

Hi all!

@fred@1:37, your English immersion is that deep? Fascinating.
Avatar 1:49pm fred:

@Mayuko: I had never heard Ainu music before hearing that on your show. And I love it (reminds me of Mongolian music). So you've done your share
  1:50pm Jesse k:

I just got a little sad when I realized the shows over soon.
Hi Mayuko, you've been my studio/nap soundtrack today!
Avatar 1:50pm Mayuko:

@P-90 yeah, I know some young people who study ethnology and trying to truly re-connect with traditions and roots, without exorcizing/internalizing western views. Who live in country side and do a lot of research there, connect with locals, revitalizing old handcrafts etc. I feel like this is relatively new movement there in Japan. And I think they are trying to be cosmopolitan in their approach too. Just not in the samurai geisha way I guess.
  1:50pm Rickwaukee:

Nationalism will look ridiculous in 200 years when everyone will be buying their water from Coca-Cola Co/, a division of Neslte/Kraft/Sony.
Avatar 1:52pm Mayuko:

@P-90 But the thing is not all the samurai geisha thing is bad, I like Ninja Turtles too. That's the funny thing about this complicated oriental business.
Avatar 1:52pm fred:

@Ike: Unfortunately. Long story, but basically I only got into philosophy and critical thinking in English, while for me French is the language of school and obedience. If that makes sense. Probably not
  1:52pm JakeGould:

Thanks Mayuko!!!
Avatar 1:54pm northguineahills:

Evidently I had Ray Parker Jr on my mind....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:54pm Jeff Golick:

@Mayuko @ 1:45: Well put. I'm reminded of that lone indigenous dude in Brazil who's suddenly in the news again, too.

Increasingly, I find the blind faith that some have in the power of technology to "cross borders" and "unite us" to be entirely misguided.

This message brought to you by Nestle/Kraft/Sonycorp.
Avatar 1:55pm Mayuko:

@coelacanth∅ @1:30 Japan does! At least my mom does (who was born right after the ww2) haha. She's got many cactus little knick·knacks and collect sheriff badges and loves western films.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:55pm Jeff Golick:

(In other words, I'm entering my Cranky Old Man phase.)
Avatar 1:56pm fred:

@Jeff: are you actually doing your show tomorrow? Or should I get outside and try to escape the heat?
Avatar 1:56pm Mayuko:

@james a fountain pen! the day you'll be exhibited in a museum is not far future!!! Saw a "handwriting machine' ad on the subway a little while ago... says "handwriting is now as easy as texting!"
  1:57pm Dean:

'Increasingly, I find the blind faith that some have in the power of technology to "cross borders" and "unite us" to be entirely misguided.'

Absolutely. It started smelling bad c.1993 (specifically, with the arrival of Howard Rheingold's The Virtual Community). I was not then a COM.
Avatar 1:57pm northguineahills:

@fred: Most philosophy/critical thinking tomes were originally in French (Ie: Deleuze et Guatarri ), and I wonder how much I miss reading only the English translations....

Gracias, Mayuko, que tengas in maravilloso dia!
Avatar 1:58pm northguineahills:

Loving this hasan al-'ajam!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 1:58pm Jeff Golick:

@fred: will luck, Trane willing, I will be doing a show tomorrow. Not sure how hot it will be, tho.

A beauty of a show today, @Mayuko; thanks!
  1:58pm Rickwaukee:

I like the mixing of cultures. Like the Russian in A Clockwork Orange.
  1:59pm Joe:

Thanks for another show and the thought provoking discussion! I too would like to see Matt in a Kimono...
Avatar 2:00pm fred:

@ngh: I'm more of a Wittgenstein guy, so these guys don't appeal to me. The confusers don't work for me
  2:00pm P-90:

Thanks, Mayuko!
  2:01pm rbrt:

LOL poor david attenborough
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:01pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for the caravan of music today, Mayuko. I hope the ice cream survived the journey.
Avatar 2:01pm northguineahills:

@Jeff, you don't have A/C? Even in Brooklyn I had two window units... fill up on cold beer!

@fred: I have plenty of Wittgenstein as well...
Avatar 2:01pm fred:

Thanks Mayuko! High time for ice cream
  2:01pm Rickwaukee:

Been around the world today! Thanks, Mayuko. Stay hydrogenated! Have a beautiful week. Love
Avatar 2:03pm fred:

@ngh: I seriously have a hard time taking seriously anything written in French. Looks like spam in a way
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:04pm coelacanth∅:

i'm Thankful David Attenborough is still among us, even if we don't hear much from him now.
Avatar 2:05pm Jeff Moore:

Thanks, Mayuko! Great show!

(I actually remembered to tune in at noon today, but I've just been listening, not chatting.)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the contortions of "Oriental Orientalism" or whatever else it may get called.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:06pm Ken From Hyde Park:

By the way, your show last Monday night was a blast! Really enjoyed it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:07pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mayuko!!
Avatar 2:07pm fred:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:08pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mayuko! Excellent as usual

take care everyone
Avatar 2:08pm fred:

(could you put the band name up so I can clicky-star it)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:09pm Bryce:

how could you not love this farting space-age lounge relaxer
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:09pm Bryce:

thx, m :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:11pm coelacanth∅:

simoon's been played a bit on fmu - you could always clickystar it on another playlist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:11pm tmoyo:

Thanks Mayuko!
The Orientalism discussion gave me a flashback of a song you played on monday. Kylie in a kimono in NY ( with Tei Towa & Hosono Haruomi )
Avatar 2:12pm Mayuko:

@paul b I think romanticizing something you don't know yet is just human nature and what makes us curious about others... and I don't think that's a bad thing for kids especially. just the question is would you take it futher and really try get to know that 'others' deeper and for real, I suppose.
Avatar 2:12pm Mayuko:

Super belated hallo to Ken!
  2:13pm rw:

Thanks Mayuko! We’re driving across the smoke filled desert of California enjoying the tunes. Very surreal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 2:14pm coelacanth∅:

i used to "go out" with a woman who always wore a kimono at home. not asian; safartic jew ancestry. she didn't do any other typically or stereotypically japanese cultural practices. she just liked kimonos.
Avatar 2:14pm fred:

I'm kind of a poster boy for orientalism, so I'm not really able to contribute there
Avatar 2:15pm Mayuko:

Thanks rw!!! Perfect environment for today's show!
Avatar 2:17pm Mayuko:

Belated thanks to Joe, and Jeff! & thanks everyone for listening!!!!!!! See you next week.
Avatar 2:19pm Mayuko:

(& belated hi and thanks to Ike our own Jesse!!)
Avatar 2:20pm Jeff Moore:

One of the words I dislike the most of all is "exotic" – because, for one thing, it's a word which conveys essentially zero information about its supposed subject, but rather only tells you things about the person using it (kind of like the less-icky "weird" in that way) – but also, and mostly, because of the creepy way I've so often seen it used (as a fetishistic, objectifying way to refer to women of some race or combo thereof other than the speaker's). Eww.
Avatar 2:26pm fred:

@Jeff Moore: Jason Elbogen has a closely related rant about "ethnic music". You should get it touch (also, you should somehow drag him back to the station)
Avatar 2:27pm Mayuko:

@Jeff Thanks for the insight! I agree re: 'exotic' is one way of sex-objectifying women in 'the orient'. Actually I only came to really think of that aspect when Joe McGasko pointed it out for me a while ago! I guess he shares that disgust with you. I've been trying to put this idea of flipping 'exoticism' together for a marathon premium for a while now, but its too big topic for me so far! Super interesting though.
Avatar 2:55pm fred:

@Mayuko: I don't think it's worth your time. The Male Western Gaze doesn't need your contribution. Many other viewpoints could use it though. It's a good starting point, but spin it around
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:33pm coelacanth∅:

something told me
to listen to this one again
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