WFMU: The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from November 21, 2018

Listener comments!
	♥ 9:02am duke: Hello Scott, ready to rally
	♥ 9:03am Your Ace From Exchange Place: Greetings!
	9:08am Linda Lee: is that you, Scott? i'm hearing a changed voice!
	♥ 9:08am Lixiviated Life: Mr. McDowell, Let's rally brother
	♥ 9:10am Scott McDowell: Good morning all
	♥ 9:10am Lixiviated Life: Is it time for Idiots Delight ?
	♥ 9:10am TDK60: Hi. Usually not able to be here. Good to hear a live version of "Creator."
	♥ 9:11am Lixiviated Life: How I miss the old WNEW fm days.
	9:11am Chris from DC: Yeah, good call on the Pharoah.
	♥ 9:12am northguineahills: As much as I love Ken's mornings, Scott's hits me perfect!
	♥ 9:12am Lixiviated Life: Vin Scelsa et. al.
	♥ 9:14am PKNY: Pharoah will be swinging through NYC next month to do a string of shows at Birdland, for those that are interested.
	♥ 9:15am melinda: greetings all
	9:16am adrian in mpls: Ahhh one of my favorite songs! Love this Pharoah. Probably the most played song on WCBN in Ann Arbor - where I learned about the greatness that is freeform
	♥ 9:16am Uncle Michael: Good morning. Is anyone else sitting at their job with absolutely no work to do?
	♥ 9:19am TDK60: Hope to see a Pharaoh full concert. I heard him (among others) perform one tune at Ornette Coleman's memorial. Wow, did he sing on his sax.
	9:20am Linda Lee: good morning, Uncle Michael! i sit at home overwhelmed by what needs doing. same difference.
	9:20am Sami: I've been wondering where all the Pharoah Sanders boots are. Thanks!!
	9:20am randyfrommichigan: @Uncle Michael yes, or work to do but don't feel like it. At least I'm working from home. :D
	♥ 9:22am Uncle Michael: If I was at home I would be making pie. So I sit, and think about making pie.
	9:23am Chris from DC: We don't really have down time. But we get to go home at 3, so there's that.
	9:24am randyfrommichigan: @Uncle Michael Great idea. When my daughter wakes up she'll be making pumpkin pie so I will be thinking of that.
	♥ 9:24am karlward: This is jamming.
	♥ 9:25am northguineahills: Louis Armstrong did a good version of this....
	9:25am randyfrommichigan: @adrian in mpls I went to U of Michigan and also my son is going there now, lives in Ann Arbor so I go there often but I've never tried listening to WCBN, maybe I need to try it.
	♥ 9:26am Ken From Hyde Park: There was lots of pie discussion about 24 hours ago right here.
	♥ 9:27am queems: here for pie talk
	9:28am Itzall Ablurr: Good morning all! Let's have some pie and coffee.
	♥ 9:29am Ken From Hyde Park: I have the fixin's for an apple pie and a blueberry pie in the fridge. Will start baking this evening.
	9:30am Linda Lee: i sit & think about others making pie. :-D
	9:36am Chris from DC: Liking Jahlights a lot.
	♥ 9:36am PKNY: Wholeheartedly agree with @Scott, that Jonny Greenwood comp is a great one!
	♥ 9:38am karlward: Pineapple pie: discuss.
	♥ 9:39am queems: @karlward hard pass
	9:40am dei xhrist: On a scale of pecan pie, would pineapple be sweeter or less sweet?
	♥ 9:40am northguineahills: nihongo opie? gomen-nasai….
	9:40am Chris from DC: Holy cow, Ian and Nate, awesome!
	♥ 9:40am TDK60: I love pie. Cherry, blueberry, pumpkin, pecan. But I've never made one! Hmmm...gotta try soon.. Never had pineapple, karlward.
	9:41am Linda Lee: @del xhrist: given sugar content equal elsewhere, i'd say pineapple pie is sweeter.
	9:41am iiibeat: Which record shop in Richmond??
	9:41am Linda Lee: sugar content aside of the main ingredient..
	♥ 9:42am TDK60: ..less sugar is more.
	♥ 9:42am queems: i am a big supporter of pineapple on pizza pie though don't @ me
	9:43am Linda Lee: @TDK60 ~ right. that's why i'd prefer pecan pie to pineapple!
	9:43am iiibeat: Pickles on pizza is better
	9:44am Chris from DC: Thanks, I missed this set.
	♥ 9:44am queems: pickles can gtfo
	9:44am Brendan: Baking last night til 2. If you get a wild hair to bake at 10 pm, just forget it. Underestimated the proof time.
	♥ 9:44am TDK60: queems: can you and I still get along? (pizza)
	9:45am iiibeat: lol . . too bad
	♥ 9:45am Scott McDowell: @iiibeat Steady Sounds
	♥ 9:45am βrian: Wait. How could you go to Michigan and not know WCBN? That's un-possible!
	♥ 9:45am queems: @tdk60 i like to think that any pizza lover is a friend of mine
	9:45am iiibeat: Thank you sir
	♥ 9:46am northguineahills: I don't like sweets, except in bites, so, agave syrup and the occasional maple syrup are my sweeteners for pies, but I do make a lot of savory pies.
	9:46am iiibeat: Right on Broad St, I think. Had my eye on it
	♥ 9:46am βrian: (And lovely, this, Mr McDowell.)
	♥ 9:46am Sem: Good morning, Scott, those engaged in the Long Rally, and those ready to give it a go.
	♥ 9:46am Ike: Soft-serve pickle ice cream! ethnojunkie.com...
	♥ 9:49am TDK60: ...the venerable Fabio has pontificated on the awfulness of pineapple on pizza. But I see, queems, that we do share a love of pizza. Your half can have pineapple; my half with black olives and onions.
	9:49am iiibeat: Soft serve pickles . . No ice cream . . Too much sugar
	♥ 9:52am karlward: Coconut pie: discuss.
	♥ 9:53am βrian: Real black olives, I hope. Not those canned nodules of nothingness.
	♥ 9:54am queems: @karlward hard pass ^2
	♥ 9:54am karlward: Note from the moderator: discursions into the merits of "truck stop" or "fried pie" are also acceptable when discussing coconut pie.
	♥ 9:54am βrian: @karlward: No, that's "Coconut pie: discus."
	♥ 9:55am TDK60: NGH: Don't know if I've had many "savory" pies. That means non-sweet? Wait, I did have a quiche & potato pie once. Good.
	♥ 9:56am βrian: A good quiche is hard to beat. I'm partial to tomatoes and goaty cheese. Caramelized onions are nice, too.
	10:01am Itzall Ablurr: Quiche, a tangent of pie-talk. My personal favorite is spinach/bacon/muenster cheese. Savory A.F., delicious.
	♥ 10:03am TDK60: ..way-pie-tangential: was in Southwest England this summer, had a "pasty" (pr. pass-tee) they make meat ones, I had cheese & onion; shaped like a calzone.
	♥ 10:05am βrian: @TDK60: You've never been to the U.P.? Cornish minors brought them to the region in the late 19th century.
	♥ 10:08am βrian: There's a Chowhound thread here. During winter months, you can have them shipped to you. www.chowhound.com...
	♥ 10:08am TDK60: βrian: You mean Michigan? Never been that far north in MI. But yes, Cornwall is where I had a pasty. And a "cream tea" too...that's a whole other discussion.
	10:11am ben abs: Pasties are the Best!
	10:12am ben abs: especially cheese and onion, great choice TDK60
	♥ 10:12am steveo: hi Scott. Favorite new thing = More Klementines
	♥ 10:12am TDK60: Hi ben abs. Hope war doesn't break out between Devon and Cornwall over the correct assembling of a cream tea.
	♥ 10:12am βrian: I meant "miners," by the way ...
	♥ 10:15am melinda: I had an authentic Cornish pasty once but the fact that it contained kidney ruined it for me, unfortunately. I don't have a taste for filtering organs.
	♥ 10:16am TDK60: steveo: I've heard this More Klementines combo on several WFMU shows recently. They must be climbing the WFMU Charts!
	10:16am ben abs: I think I've only ever had one cream tea, was sort've meh, much more of a savoury guy
	10:17am Linda Lee: @TDK60 ~ all the more difficult since the FMU charts are spherical!
	♥ 10:17am TDK60: ben abs: So you're neutral in the conflict?
	10:19am ben abs: I'm gonna back Devon! Sorry to all my Gaelic brothers down in Cornwall, but I prefer Devon!
	10:19am Linda Lee: swore i heard Sonny Rollins in Bowie there.
	♥ 10:19am steveo: @TDK all hits all the time
	♥ 10:20am βrian: @melinda: Back in my carnie days, I helped a French cook make a batch of rognons, or kidneys. In the end, they were pretty good, but wow, did the cooking process produce a stank!
	♥ 10:21am Devin B.: Live Fish is great!
	♥ 10:22am TDK60: ben abs: I've forgotten which county prefers what. But the controversy is: one places the sweet creamed butter on the scone first then the strawberry perserves on top; the other, the preserves first then the butter. Highly contentious. So ben abs, you're not neutral!
	10:22am Chris from DC: I'll be picking that Live Fish up, yeah.
	♥ 10:22am Uncle Michael: Consider this a true statement and a metaphor: I do not care what you put on your pizza.
	♥ 10:24am ⓘⓚⓔ: Live Fish sure sounded a whole lot better than live Phish.
	10:24am ben abs: Butter first
	♥ 10:24am βrian: But better than sashimi?
	♥ 10:25am TDK60: I was in St. Just, Cornwall at a café and had my 1rst cream tea. The waiter and I laughed about the controversy. She said, "You're American, you can cut it in half and put all the stuff in the middle and make a sandwich; that would be very American." hee!
	10:26am ben abs: What did you do TDK60?
	♥ 10:26am βrian: Cultured butter or sweet cream butter?
	♥ 10:29am TDK60: ..geez, ben abs, I forget! I think I did it the Devon way (butter first then jelly) even though I was in Cornwall.
	10:31am ben abs: Phew!
	♥ 10:31am TDK60: Public disclaimer: I found both the Devonish and the Cornish people to be fine friendly folks. // But we've strayed from Pie.
	♥ 10:33am northguineahills: @ben abs: I read that as pasties (what stripteasers use in jurisdictions where topless nudity is verboten, but I do make amazing pastes (the Hildalgo version of the Cornish pasties)(many Cornish miners immigrated there in the 1880s for the silver mines).
	♥ 10:33am ɛɨk: Who's this bozo? He really, really, really can't sing.
	♥ 10:33am βrian: @TDK60: Will there be pie after Brexit?
	♥ 10:34am Uncle Michael: I could listen to Bird Song all day. Scott, could you play Bird Song all day, please?
	♥ 10:34am northguineahills: Pachuca, Hildalgo, Mexico.
	♥ 10:34am Sem: Dead to rights, ike.
	10:34am Chris from DC: My favorite pi is approximately 3.14159265358979
	♥ 10:34am βrian: Trouble plays bird song. I like hers better, frankly.
	10:35am Linda Lee: it's the song, not the singer.
	♥ 10:35am Scott McDowell: Uh oh I didn't mean to start anything. Pie PIE PIE! : )
	10:36am judy from croton: This version of bird song is too too much
	♥ 10:36am βrian: @Chris from DC: Listener Cheri Pi would agree, I'd guess.
	♥ 10:36am northguineahills: Wait, did Jeff Conklin bust in and take the controls, totally Avant Ghetto!
	♥ 10:37am northguineahills: @Chris: I need 75 more decimal places....
	♥ 10:38am northguineahills: arrrgh, now I'm hungry for Hildaguese pastes!
	10:39am ben abs: @NGH, would love to try them! - What the main diff? - Am vegetarian so don't indulge in the traditional cornish anyway
	10:39am Itzall Ablurr: Back from apparently important work discussions; have I missed any salient pie points?!?
	♥ 10:40am Uncle Michael: I like the MSG Bird Song with Branford...for a late period offering.
	♥ 10:40am ɨkɛ: Sorry, I'm incorrigible. Jeff Conklin occasionally threatens (half-jokingly... I think?) to ban me when I bust the Dead's chops during his show.
	♥ 10:41am Scott McDowell: HAHA fair game
	♥ 10:42am northguineahills: @ben abs: Mexi wife is vegan, so, I usually do veggie chorizo w/ jalapenos, onions, and spices, and tomatoes.
	10:43am judy from croton: This song was written about janis joplin as everyone knows but i will pointlessly point out
	10:43am Morphe: Was there not a famous Punk Tune/part of a lyric: Bring Me the Head of Jerry Garcia... I pretty much only liked Pigpen's voice/sound.. "Just A Box Of Rain" I am only 57 and drove from HotSprings Yellowstone to Red Rocks Co in 1976(15 years old) in an overloaded hippy filled van running over JackRabbits through the Praire night... THUMP THUMPTHUMP THUMPPPPP for a GD show in Red Rocks, Co ...Please do not tell my mother
	♥ 10:43am Uncle Michael: I think announcing distaste in the comments for something the host is playing is the least interesting thing a person could possibly post. But, please yourself.
	10:43am ben abs: @NGH, sounds Amazing!
	♥ 10:44am northguineahills: Ike, incorrigible, well, I never!
	♥ 10:45am TDK60: I try to maintain a no-negative-comments-on-music stance on the Woofmoo boards. (But if Ted Nugent or Grand Funk came on, my stance might falter.)
	10:45am ben abs: Flatley my dear, I don't Riverdance
	10:47am Morphe: TDK60 - you left out the eagles [lower case on purpose!!!]
	♥ 10:47am karlward: I limit my negative comments to Jefferson Starship. That's where I draw the line. Starship is the only artist that makes me question John Allen's choices in music.
	10:47am T from New B: Thanks so much for that version of Bird Song. It brought my mellow on for today and perhaps through the weekend as well. A great thing about The Long Rally is that it lasts a long, long time after the show.
	♥ 10:48am βrian: When it's understood the host is being a bit sadistic, you just gotta pipe up!
	♥ 10:49am ɨkɛ: @UM, touché. These days I try to at least make it funny or peculiar in some way. Simply venting is usually pointless indulgence, with rare exceptions: Pseu Braun, for instance, raises venting to an art form somehow. But I'm no Pseu.
	♥ 10:49am Scott McDowell: thanks t from new b : )
	♥ 10:49am TDK60: Am I a rare breed? I like some of the Dead; don't love 'em, but don't hate 'em. Am I a loner?
	♥ 10:51am Uncle Michael: Ike, Pseu's rant about neighborhood pollutants yesterday was a work of art.
	10:51am Morphe: TDK60- You are not alone. As I wrote above I drove 800 miles for a concert - but preferred PigPen's sensibility..
	♥ 10:53am crateslinger: I followed the Dead in the '87 up and down the West Coast. I sold beer in the parking lot to make my way. It was a blast. The girls were amazing!
	♥ 10:53am βrian: I know folks who didn't particularly care for the Dead but would go to their shows. I think it was really just background music to them. They went for the atmosphere and to meet old friends.
	♥ 10:54am TDK60: ..as to San Fran '60s hippies, I'm more a Jefferson Airplane fellow. And Country Joe & The Fish. But the Dead were longer-lasting.
	♥ 10:54am Ken From Hyde Park: I hear Raspberry Pi makes an excellent electronics kit.
	10:56am Listener Gregory: To some degree, ANY personal opinion about the music is kind of uninteresting: I love this! This is awesome! This is boring! I hate this group! Who really cares? On the other hand, I do this all the time, and I really am thrilled to hear Steve Lacy being played. So, if we permit gushing positive opinions, I think negative views should be accepted with grace. IMHO.
	♥ 10:57am Uncle Michael: Ken, after putting together my first Raspberry Pi project, I was so chuffed that I had to hold myself back from turning it into a new hobby.
	♥ 10:57am βrian: I heard about those sheets of paper they would sell, with a grid of little beer steins printed on them. Aye, beer!
	10:57am T from New B: We don't hear enough Sopwith Camel - another great 60s SF band
	♥ 10:57am TDK60: ..saw the Dead only twice; one show was just ho-hum; the other show glistened.
	♥ 10:58am Ken From Hyde Park: Outstanding, UM!
	♥ 10:59am northguineahills: I saw the Dead summer of '95 my freshman year, just out of curiosity, as I wasn't into their music at the time. I had a blast, and about four years later I slowly got into their music (starting from the early period).
	♥ 10:59am northguineahills: (just two months before Jerry passed)
	♥ 10:59am Uncle Michael: Gregory, I find that to be a false equivalency. "I like this" is often an expression of appreciation for the job the host is doing. "I don't like this" obtusely avoids fact that listening isn't compulsory.
	♥ 11:02am northguineahills: I'm w/ Gregory about Steve Lacy....
	♥ 11:04am βrian: What does the WMFU T-shirt look like, anyway?
	11:05am Listener Gregory: @Uncle, I see your point. But comments are not just to the host. Often they are a way to get a conversation started. For the record, I enjoy the variety played on WFMU, and I don't expect to like everything that's played. If I say I don't like something (which I seldom do), it's not intended as a complaint. That Steve Lacy was awesome, by the way!
	♥ 11:08am βrian: It calls to mind experiments in cooking. Sometimes it just doesn't work. It's okay to discuss that... as long as you don't dump your food on the floor.
	♥ 11:09am TDK60: I'm a fan of music in F# minor; and D major. Songs in C, I have to really try...
	♥ 11:11am Uncle Michael: What sorts of conversations have you seen started by expressing your dislike for something, Gregory? Are you challenging other people to defend it? If you want to know what other people appreciate about something, a question might serve better than a condemnation.
	♥ 11:12am tim from champaign: Howdy everyone! I missed the pasty discussion. Pasty's are dee-licious!. I could be mistaken but I believe the the Michgan UP pastries are primarily Welsh with some Finnish pasty stylings in the mix. I also learned some time back while visiting Amsterdam that there is a Surinamese pasty. Where's Cecile when we need her?
	♥ 11:13am Uncle Michael: βrian, a postmortem on a failed kitchen experiment serves a purpose. I don't think we're going to convince the Eagles not to become a band.
	♥ 11:13am Uncle Michael: I really should just be thinking about making pie.
	♥ 11:14am TDK60: ben abs: It was in St. Ives where I had my cheese & onion pasty. Right there on the beachfront.
	♥ 11:14am βrian: "My, it's interesting you chose to incorporate cherry kool-aid mix in your pasty filling. I wouldn't have thought of that myself."
	♥ 11:14am northguineahills: @TDK: I'm more into the 36th ratio of the key of F, myself....
	11:15am Listener Gregory: @Uncle, Well, I could say I don't like X, and you could say their sound is not for everyone, but their guitarwork is great, and someone else could say they never liked X until they heard Y, and on it goes. I wasn't planning on "condemning" anything, though.
	11:15am Chris from DC: Yay, Sky Furrows.
	11:15am ben abs: Came for the pasties, stayed for the music
	♥ 11:16am Uncle Michael: "condemning" is a strong word, but we're speaking in the abstract.
	♥ 11:17am tim from champaign: Fuck yeah, X's guitarwork is great. Billy Zoom is the greatest.
	♥ 11:18am βrian: Similar to pasties, a local bar used to serve Zapatas, which had a filling similar to a burrito. Though the crust was more like a calzone, I guess. Satisfying.
	♥ 11:18am TDK60: Now Y, they don't even like pie or pasties.
	♥ 11:18am Uncle Michael: The thing is, and this is just me, I'm not generalizing, if you say "I don't like X," I have absolutely no stake in changing your mind or justifying my affinity for it/them.
	♥ 11:19am Uncle Michael: (pie, pie, pie)
	11:19am ben abs: Never heard Sky Furrows before, some groovy stuff
	11:20am judy from croton: As Ken used to say, when you listen to fmu, you’re either running to turn it up or turn it off. Much like life itself
	♥ 11:21am TDK60: ben abs: are you really sure they're groovy? hehhee
	11:21am ben abs: TDK60 - you must visit again (as will we!)
	♥ 11:21am northguineahills: @βrian: Zapatas, not to be confused w/ zapatos (as much as I love eating shoe leather).
	♥ 11:22am crateslinger: The best thing I saw on tour with the Dead was Carlos Santana when I was on the green mesculin. I lost my mind - almost made it to the stage like five times but kept getting "bounced" I could "see" the music, maan. It kept pulling me forward. Seriuosly.
	♥ 11:22am βrian: But the same source, etymologically, no?
	11:23am Listener Gregory: There was a good conversation in Destination:Out among people who love Bill Frisell and those who find him boring. At the end, we all felt better for it.
	♥ 11:23am northguineahills: I believe there is only one wfmu dj that I'd usually prefer not to listen to, and I have to admit, that's an impressive trait.
	♥ 11:23am crateslinger: those were supposed to be "air quotes"
	♥ 11:24am northguineahills: @Gregory: Frisell: is both amazing and boring, depending on the album, but I still love him live.
	♥ 11:24am crateslinger: I hate it when people diss the dj. I did it once and felt so bad I didn't log in for weeks. It's a dick move.
	♥ 11:24am Carmichael: Heya Scott and gobblers. I really like Bill Frisell, but I'm sure he can be a challenge to some listeners.
	11:24am ben abs: @NGH - Same, I wonder if it's the same one? Alas, lips are sealed out of respect
	11:25am HChew: Sho do love that CONNIE ACHER
	♥ 11:25am Scott McDowell: : )
	♥ 11:26am TDK60: ben abs: I'd love to go back, great area there, St. Ives, St. Just. I got to join a folk singalong at the club in the Western Hotel. (They have jazz & blues too.) Great pub in the village of Zennor- The Tinners Arms, erected in 1271!
	11:26am ben abs: Can anyone think of any pastry related songs tho??
	♥ 11:26am northguineahills: @ben abs: It didn't help that said dj was terse when my band was vacating the studio when we performed live. That said, that dj does play decent stuff sometimes.
	11:26am Mike Wolf: Hans! We know you do.
	♥ 11:28am northguineahills: @ben abs: Pirateers - Cornish Pasty Song?
	♥ 11:28am βrian: There's one DJ whose music I like but whose patter I find wearisome. (Patter-some?) Took me a while to figure that I just needed to spin the dial.
	11:28am HChew: @mike wolf - busted! LOL
	11:28am ben abs: @NGH - not the same then, mines purely music based, the dj is really nice
	11:29am Listener Gregory: Dissing the DJ in comments is over my limit.
	♥ 11:29am Carmichael: A search of Allmusic shows over 1,000 songs about either doughnuts or pastry.
	11:29am ben abs: @NGH going to do some research into pastrycore later on
	11:30am judy from croton: Pastry-related? I Like Chicken Pie by that guy...Ry Cooder comes to mind.
	11:31am randyfrommichigan: @βrian well I went to U of Michigan for my MBA part time evenings and weekends while working full time, commuting from home, late 90's ... so since I never lived there maybe why that's why I didn't listen to any local Ann Arbor radio.
	11:32am Morphe: TDK, etal. SF Sound: Moby Grape, Blues Magoos, Quicksilver Messenger, CJ Fish " Mabye if you're lucky and you can't go to the ghetto, the ghetto will come to you" or "Sweet Lorraine" or the box..
	♥ 11:33am northguineahills: ben abs: Oh, my bias is music based as well, just the personal encounter didn't help my opinion.
	11:33am ben abs: TDK - Will have a look at that pub
	♥ 11:34am βrian: I did undergrad and grad there. I'm pretty sure I listened to Station Manager Ken there, too, but the actual shows from back then escape me.
	♥ 11:34am northguineahills: I somehow once came up w/ a veggie chicken pot pie for my wife (as well as southern vegan recipes as well). (she does the desserts, I do everything else.)
	♥ 11:35am Devin B.: Yay!
	♥ 11:37am TDK60: Morphe: love CJ & Fish's first 3 albumz: early LPs of Quicksilver Messenger Service and Moby Grape too! // I love Bill Frisell, what a guitar sound, that lonesome sound.
	♥ 11:37am βrian: @NGH: I usually avoid seeming meat equivalents, but I've heard that some veggie chorizo (or whatever on wants to call it) can be really good. Any advice?
	11:37am egould310: Sky Furrows was good. I immediately went to Spotify to save it. But alas, it’s not on Spotify. So sad. Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
	11:38am Chris from DC: Also, yay Dire Wolves!
	♥ 11:38am TDK60: ben abs: Zennor, a tiny village about 3 miles south of St. Ives. The Tinners Arms folks were gracious and talkative. I sat there one afternoon for hours nursing a coffee and they didn't mind.
	♥ 11:39am tim from champaign: What instrument is making that woozy sound?
	♥ 11:39am crateslinger: I heard some weird shit in the woods the other night. Something was murdering something else. Maybe it was a Dire Wolf.
	♥ 11:40am βrian: We've been hearing owls in the pre-dawn hours. City living.
	♥ 11:42am Uncle Michael: Brian, we have a very noisy pre-dawn owl. It's been a while. The hawks had pushed deep into owl turf here in recent years.
	♥ 11:43am crateslinger: Whenever we hear owls, the pitbull doesn't seem to notice, but the chihuahua very quickly hides under a chair.
	♥ 11:43am TDK60: ben abs: I also enjoyed finding out about the longtime art colony in St. Ives --art museums, galleries, studios. Traditional landscape painters and abstract. St. Ives also was where Donovan bummed around before going into the music biz.
	♥ 11:44am βrian: Do they compete? We seem to have both. Seems like they just tip their hats in passing as they change shifts.
	♥ 11:44am tim from champaign: I saw salmon swimming upstream and spawning for the first time in my life. I grew up in a town that had a sizeable river with fishladders but never went to see the salmon run. I loved seeing that.
	11:46am Morphe: TDK: when I was 13 (1974) my IrishCountry parents shipped me to SF from Bklyn(to get me away from my Marijuana smoking friends) to a crazy bachelor uncle living in an SRO above a tuxedo rental shop with a blinking Neon sign on Mission and 26th street.. That was a trip - I only did acid 3 times but that was a trip !!!!!!!! SF sound forever!!!!
	♥ 11:46am northguineahills: @βrian: Trader Joe's veggie chorizo is better then the real thing. otherwise, I usually take firm tofu, marinate it for a few days, and then dry fry it, At that point, it isn't a meat equivalent, but the Japanese version. But, if you add veggie chicken broth to it works well (dry fried tofu can get rather tough enough).
	♥ 11:47am Uncle Michael: maybe competition isn't what it is. We had owls out the wazoo for years...then we had hawks, but no owls. Owls are crepuscular hunters and hawks are diurnal. I'm not sure how much their prey really overlaps. Or how willing they are to nest or roost near each other.
	♥ 11:47am northguineahills: I'm jealous tim....
	♥ 11:48am northguineahills: There's an owl across the street. Hawks aren't that uncommon around here.
	♥ 11:49am βrian: We have some veggie chickens living next door. I bet they'd make some good broth. The hawks ogle them, as well.
	♥ 11:50am tim from champaign: @ngh - yeah it was so cool. I recently moved to a small town on the Puget Sound in WA. There were about 10 harbor seals hanging out in the estuary waiting to catch the salmon. So cool!
	11:51am Listener Gregory: Owl pie is delicious!
	11:52am ben abs: @tdk - looks like a good old traditional country pub. When I am visiting my better half in Stroud, our local is where Laurie lee spent a fair portion of his life
	♥ 11:52am Uncle Michael: Now I want veggie chicken pot pie.
	♥ 11:53am βrian: Was that a [d]ump?
	♥ 11:55am βrian: I still have a weakness for chicken pot pie. Good fresh vegetables and a little tarragon! Fully crusted, of course.
	♥ 11:55am TDK60: I dug those olde English pubs, most had good food too. Visited one in Widecombe-in-the-Moor in Dartmoor Park, Devon.
	11:56am Brendan: Great show!
	♥ 11:56am βrian: Now this bird song: Oh, yes!
	♥ 11:57am TDK60: Yes Scott, this show has been some filling pie.
	♥ 11:57am Uncle Michael: I think there will be turkey pot pie at my house next week.
	11:58am ben abs: Thanks Scott, great show
	♥ 11:59am northguineahills: W000! Got permission to leave work early today (just two more tasks).
	♥ 11:59am Uncle Michael: Thanks, Scott!
	11:59am Listener Gregory: Thanks, Scott.
	♥ 11:59am northguineahills: Danks, Scott!
	♥ 11:59am Sem: Thanks, Scott! Later.
	♥ 12:00pm ɨkɛ: Thanks Scott!
	12:00pm Brendan: Im going to make some elk horn soup
	♥ 12:00pm Booz: Thanks Scott!!
	♥ 12:01pm βrian: See you in Paisley Land.
	12:01pm Brendan: With real elk horn not boulion

The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from November 21, 2018

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Drawing an endless knot. Improvised, international, American, old, abstract, other.

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November 21, 2018

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Grachan Moncur III	Hipnosis "Hipnosis" by "Grachan Moncur III"			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Pharoah Sanders Quintet	The Creator Has a Master Plan	18 July 1971 Nice, France	no label	0:03:36 (Pop-up)
Tarp	Precession "Precession" by "Tarp"	Part	Feeding Tube/There Is No Trouble in Denmark	0:28:06 (Pop-up)
The Jahlights	Right Road to Dubland	Jonny Greenwood is The Controller	Trojan	0:31:30 (Pop-up)

Elkhorn	Lionfish (Takoma Park, MD - 06.09.18 - with Ian McColm and Nate Scheible on drums)	Live Fish	Reverb Worship	0:41:21 (Pop-up)
Headroom	Soft Power "Soft Power" by "Headroom"	Dire Wolves / Headroom	Centripetal Force	0:56:29 (Pop-up)
More Klementines	I "I" by "More Klementines"	More Klementines	Twin Lakes/Feeding Tube	1:02:42 (Pop-up)
Lester Bowie	Ghosts "Ghosts" by "Lester Bowie"	All the Magic	ECM	1:14:25 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Jahlights	Right Road to Dubland	Jonny Greenwood is The Controller		1:17:09 (Pop-up)
More Klementines	I "I" by "More Klementines"	More Klementines	Twin Lakes/Feeding Tube	1:23:38 (Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Bird Song - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.(6/22/73)	Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: Believe It if You Need It (3cd)	Rhino	1:30:24 (Pop-up)
Jan Garbarek	Vandrere "Vandrere" by "Jan Garbarek"	Dis	ECM	1:46:05 (Pop-up)
Steve Lacy	The Door "The Door" by "Steve Lacy"	The Door	Novus	1:53:24 (Pop-up)

Connie Acher & Blind Drunk John	Oh My My	For the Love of It	Flipped Out Records	2:07:42 (Pop-up)
Sky Furrows	Alyosha "Alyosha" by "Sky Furrows"	Sky Furrows	no label	2:13:00 (Pop-up)
Bridget Hayden	On Your Way Home "On Your Way Home" by "Bridget Hayden"	Pure Touch Only From Now On, They Said So		2:19:52 (Pop-up)
Andrew Barker and John Dikeman	To Thee I Sing	All Things are Possible	Phantom Ear Music	2:22:59 (Pop-up)
Roman Nose	Shifted Sinistral "Shifted Sinistral" by "Roman Nose"	Roman Nose	Singing Knives	2:25:33 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Jahlights	Right Road to Dubland	Jonny Greenwood is The Controller		2:34:26 (Pop-up)
Dire Wolves	We are Stardust "We are Stardust" by "Dire Wolves"	Paradisiacal Mind	Cardinal Fuzz	2:35:10 (Pop-up)
State Champion	Death Preferences "Death Preferences" by "State Champion"	Send Flowers		2:38:37 (Pop-up)
Deaf Wish	Afraid for You "Afraid for You" by "Deaf Wish"	Lithium Zion	Sub Pop	2:45:35 (Pop-up)
Heather Leigh	Prelude to Goddess "Prelude to Goddess" by "Heather Leigh"	Throne	Editions Mego	2:49:22 (Pop-up)
Elkhorn	Conference of the Birds "Conference of the Birds" by "Elkhorn"	Elkhorn	Debacle	2:52:08 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 9:02am duke: Hello Scott, ready to rally
	♥ 9:03am Your Ace From Exchange Place: Greetings!
	9:08am Linda Lee: is that you, Scott? i'm hearing a changed voice!
	♥ 9:08am Lixiviated Life: Mr. McDowell, Let's rally brother
	♥ 9:10am Scott McDowell: Good morning all
	♥ 9:10am Lixiviated Life: Is it time for Idiots Delight ?
	♥ 9:10am TDK60: Hi. Usually not able to be here. Good to hear a live version of "Creator."
	♥ 9:11am Lixiviated Life: How I miss the old WNEW fm days.
	9:11am Chris from DC: Yeah, good call on the Pharoah.
	♥ 9:12am northguineahills: As much as I love Ken's mornings, Scott's hits me perfect!
	♥ 9:12am Lixiviated Life: Vin Scelsa et. al.
	♥ 9:14am PKNY: Pharoah will be swinging through NYC next month to do a string of shows at Birdland, for those that are interested.
	♥ 9:15am melinda: greetings all
	9:16am adrian in mpls: Ahhh one of my favorite songs! Love this Pharoah. Probably the most played song on WCBN in Ann Arbor - where I learned about the greatness that is freeform
	♥ 9:16am Uncle Michael: Good morning. Is anyone else sitting at their job with absolutely no work to do?
	♥ 9:19am TDK60: Hope to see a Pharaoh full concert. I heard him (among others) perform one tune at Ornette Coleman's memorial. Wow, did he sing on his sax.
	9:20am Linda Lee: good morning, Uncle Michael! i sit at home overwhelmed by what needs doing. same difference.
	9:20am Sami: I've been wondering where all the Pharoah Sanders boots are. Thanks!!
	9:20am randyfrommichigan: @Uncle Michael yes, or work to do but don't feel like it. At least I'm working from home. :D
	♥ 9:22am Uncle Michael: If I was at home I would be making pie. So I sit, and think about making pie.
	9:23am Chris from DC: We don't really have down time. But we get to go home at 3, so there's that.
	9:24am randyfrommichigan: @Uncle Michael Great idea. When my daughter wakes up she'll be making pumpkin pie so I will be thinking of that.
	♥ 9:24am karlward: This is jamming.
	♥ 9:25am northguineahills: Louis Armstrong did a good version of this....
	9:25am randyfrommichigan: @adrian in mpls I went to U of Michigan and also my son is going there now, lives in Ann Arbor so I go there often but I've never tried listening to WCBN, maybe I need to try it.
	♥ 9:26am Ken From Hyde Park: There was lots of pie discussion about 24 hours ago right here.
	♥ 9:27am queems: here for pie talk
	9:28am Itzall Ablurr: Good morning all! Let's have some pie and coffee.
	♥ 9:29am Ken From Hyde Park: I have the fixin's for an apple pie and a blueberry pie in the fridge. Will start baking this evening.
	9:30am Linda Lee: i sit & think about others making pie. :-D
	9:36am Chris from DC: Liking Jahlights a lot.
	♥ 9:36am PKNY: Wholeheartedly agree with @Scott, that Jonny Greenwood comp is a great one!
	♥ 9:38am karlward: Pineapple pie: discuss.
	♥ 9:39am queems: @karlward hard pass
	9:40am dei xhrist: On a scale of pecan pie, would pineapple be sweeter or less sweet?
	♥ 9:40am northguineahills: nihongo opie? gomen-nasai….
	9:40am Chris from DC: Holy cow, Ian and Nate, awesome!
	♥ 9:40am TDK60: I love pie. Cherry, blueberry, pumpkin, pecan. But I've never made one! Hmmm...gotta try soon.. Never had pineapple, karlward.
	9:41am Linda Lee: @del xhrist: given sugar content equal elsewhere, i'd say pineapple pie is sweeter.
	9:41am iiibeat: Which record shop in Richmond??
	9:41am Linda Lee: sugar content aside of the main ingredient..
	♥ 9:42am TDK60: ..less sugar is more.
	♥ 9:42am queems: i am a big supporter of pineapple on pizza pie though don't @ me
	9:43am Linda Lee: @TDK60 ~ right. that's why i'd prefer pecan pie to pineapple!
	9:43am iiibeat: Pickles on pizza is better
	9:44am Chris from DC: Thanks, I missed this set.
	♥ 9:44am queems: pickles can gtfo
	9:44am Brendan: Baking last night til 2. If you get a wild hair to bake at 10 pm, just forget it. Underestimated the proof time.
	♥ 9:44am TDK60: queems: can you and I still get along? (pizza)
	9:45am iiibeat: lol . . too bad
	♥ 9:45am Scott McDowell: @iiibeat Steady Sounds
	♥ 9:45am βrian: Wait. How could you go to Michigan and not know WCBN? That's un-possible!
	♥ 9:45am queems: @tdk60 i like to think that any pizza lover is a friend of mine
	9:45am iiibeat: Thank you sir
	♥ 9:46am northguineahills: I don't like sweets, except in bites, so, agave syrup and the occasional maple syrup are my sweeteners for pies, but I do make a lot of savory pies.
	9:46am iiibeat: Right on Broad St, I think. Had my eye on it
	♥ 9:46am βrian: (And lovely, this, Mr McDowell.)
	♥ 9:46am Sem: Good morning, Scott, those engaged in the Long Rally, and those ready to give it a go.
	♥ 9:46am Ike: Soft-serve pickle ice cream! ethnojunkie.com...
	♥ 9:49am TDK60: ...the venerable Fabio has pontificated on the awfulness of pineapple on pizza. But I see, queems, that we do share a love of pizza. Your half can have pineapple; my half with black olives and onions.
	9:49am iiibeat: Soft serve pickles . . No ice cream . . Too much sugar
	♥ 9:52am karlward: Coconut pie: discuss.
	♥ 9:53am βrian: Real black olives, I hope. Not those canned nodules of nothingness.
	♥ 9:54am queems: @karlward hard pass ^2
	♥ 9:54am karlward: Note from the moderator: discursions into the merits of "truck stop" or "fried pie" are also acceptable when discussing coconut pie.
	♥ 9:54am βrian: @karlward: No, that's "Coconut pie: discus."
	♥ 9:55am TDK60: NGH: Don't know if I've had many "savory" pies. That means non-sweet? Wait, I did have a quiche & potato pie once. Good.
	♥ 9:56am βrian: A good quiche is hard to beat. I'm partial to tomatoes and goaty cheese. Caramelized onions are nice, too.
	10:01am Itzall Ablurr: Quiche, a tangent of pie-talk. My personal favorite is spinach/bacon/muenster cheese. Savory A.F., delicious.
	♥ 10:03am TDK60: ..way-pie-tangential: was in Southwest England this summer, had a "pasty" (pr. pass-tee) they make meat ones, I had cheese & onion; shaped like a calzone.
	♥ 10:05am βrian: @TDK60: You've never been to the U.P.? Cornish minors brought them to the region in the late 19th century.
	♥ 10:08am βrian: There's a Chowhound thread here. During winter months, you can have them shipped to you. www.chowhound.com...
	♥ 10:08am TDK60: βrian: You mean Michigan? Never been that far north in MI. But yes, Cornwall is where I had a pasty. And a "cream tea" too...that's a whole other discussion.
	10:11am ben abs: Pasties are the Best!
	10:12am ben abs: especially cheese and onion, great choice TDK60
	♥ 10:12am steveo: hi Scott. Favorite new thing = More Klementines
	♥ 10:12am TDK60: Hi ben abs. Hope war doesn't break out between Devon and Cornwall over the correct assembling of a cream tea.
	♥ 10:12am βrian: I meant "miners," by the way ...
	♥ 10:15am melinda: I had an authentic Cornish pasty once but the fact that it contained kidney ruined it for me, unfortunately. I don't have a taste for filtering organs.
	♥ 10:16am TDK60: steveo: I've heard this More Klementines combo on several WFMU shows recently. They must be climbing the WFMU Charts!
	10:16am ben abs: I think I've only ever had one cream tea, was sort've meh, much more of a savoury guy
	10:17am Linda Lee: @TDK60 ~ all the more difficult since the FMU charts are spherical!
	♥ 10:17am TDK60: ben abs: So you're neutral in the conflict?
	10:19am ben abs: I'm gonna back Devon! Sorry to all my Gaelic brothers down in Cornwall, but I prefer Devon!
	10:19am Linda Lee: swore i heard Sonny Rollins in Bowie there.
	♥ 10:19am steveo: @TDK all hits all the time
	♥ 10:20am βrian: @melinda: Back in my carnie days, I helped a French cook make a batch of rognons, or kidneys. In the end, they were pretty good, but wow, did the cooking process produce a stank!
	♥ 10:21am Devin B.: Live Fish is great!
	♥ 10:22am TDK60: ben abs: I've forgotten which county prefers what. But the controversy is: one places the sweet creamed butter on the scone first then the strawberry perserves on top; the other, the preserves first then the butter. Highly contentious. So ben abs, you're not neutral!
	10:22am Chris from DC: I'll be picking that Live Fish up, yeah.
	♥ 10:22am Uncle Michael: Consider this a true statement and a metaphor: I do not care what you put on your pizza.
	♥ 10:24am ⓘⓚⓔ: Live Fish sure sounded a whole lot better than live Phish.
	10:24am ben abs: Butter first
	♥ 10:24am βrian: But better than sashimi?
	♥ 10:25am TDK60: I was in St. Just, Cornwall at a café and had my 1rst cream tea. The waiter and I laughed about the controversy. She said, "You're American, you can cut it in half and put all the stuff in the middle and make a sandwich; that would be very American." hee!
	10:26am ben abs: What did you do TDK60?
	♥ 10:26am βrian: Cultured butter or sweet cream butter?
	♥ 10:29am TDK60: ..geez, ben abs, I forget! I think I did it the Devon way (butter first then jelly) even though I was in Cornwall.
	10:31am ben abs: Phew!
	♥ 10:31am TDK60: Public disclaimer: I found both the Devonish and the Cornish people to be fine friendly folks. // But we've strayed from Pie.
	♥ 10:33am northguineahills: @ben abs: I read that as pasties (what stripteasers use in jurisdictions where topless nudity is verboten, but I do make amazing pastes (the Hildalgo version of the Cornish pasties)(many Cornish miners immigrated there in the 1880s for the silver mines).
	♥ 10:33am ɛɨk: Who's this bozo? He really, really, really can't sing.
	♥ 10:33am βrian: @TDK60: Will there be pie after Brexit?
	♥ 10:34am Uncle Michael: I could listen to Bird Song all day. Scott, could you play Bird Song all day, please?
	♥ 10:34am northguineahills: Pachuca, Hildalgo, Mexico.
	♥ 10:34am Sem: Dead to rights, ike.
	10:34am Chris from DC: My favorite pi is approximately 3.14159265358979
	♥ 10:34am βrian: Trouble plays bird song. I like hers better, frankly.
	10:35am Linda Lee: it's the song, not the singer.
	♥ 10:35am Scott McDowell: Uh oh I didn't mean to start anything. Pie PIE PIE! : )
	10:36am judy from croton: This version of bird song is too too much
	♥ 10:36am βrian: @Chris from DC: Listener Cheri Pi would agree, I'd guess.
	♥ 10:36am northguineahills: Wait, did Jeff Conklin bust in and take the controls, totally Avant Ghetto!
	♥ 10:37am northguineahills: @Chris: I need 75 more decimal places....
	♥ 10:38am northguineahills: arrrgh, now I'm hungry for Hildaguese pastes!
	10:39am ben abs: @NGH, would love to try them! - What the main diff? - Am vegetarian so don't indulge in the traditional cornish anyway
	10:39am Itzall Ablurr: Back from apparently important work discussions; have I missed any salient pie points?!?
	♥ 10:40am Uncle Michael: I like the MSG Bird Song with Branford...for a late period offering.
	♥ 10:40am ɨkɛ: Sorry, I'm incorrigible. Jeff Conklin occasionally threatens (half-jokingly... I think?) to ban me when I bust the Dead's chops during his show.
	♥ 10:41am Scott McDowell: HAHA fair game
	♥ 10:42am northguineahills: @ben abs: Mexi wife is vegan, so, I usually do veggie chorizo w/ jalapenos, onions, and spices, and tomatoes.
	10:43am judy from croton: This song was written about janis joplin as everyone knows but i will pointlessly point out
	10:43am Morphe: Was there not a famous Punk Tune/part of a lyric: Bring Me the Head of Jerry Garcia... I pretty much only liked Pigpen's voice/sound.. "Just A Box Of Rain" I am only 57 and drove from HotSprings Yellowstone to Red Rocks Co in 1976(15 years old) in an overloaded hippy filled van running over JackRabbits through the Praire night... THUMP THUMPTHUMP THUMPPPPP for a GD show in Red Rocks, Co ...Please do not tell my mother
	♥ 10:43am Uncle Michael: I think announcing distaste in the comments for something the host is playing is the least interesting thing a person could possibly post. But, please yourself.
	10:43am ben abs: @NGH, sounds Amazing!
	♥ 10:44am northguineahills: Ike, incorrigible, well, I never!
	♥ 10:45am TDK60: I try to maintain a no-negative-comments-on-music stance on the Woofmoo boards. (But if Ted Nugent or Grand Funk came on, my stance might falter.)
	10:45am ben abs: Flatley my dear, I don't Riverdance
	10:47am Morphe: TDK60 - you left out the eagles [lower case on purpose!!!]
	♥ 10:47am karlward: I limit my negative comments to Jefferson Starship. That's where I draw the line. Starship is the only artist that makes me question John Allen's choices in music.
	10:47am T from New B: Thanks so much for that version of Bird Song. It brought my mellow on for today and perhaps through the weekend as well. A great thing about The Long Rally is that it lasts a long, long time after the show.
	♥ 10:48am βrian: When it's understood the host is being a bit sadistic, you just gotta pipe up!
	♥ 10:49am ɨkɛ: @UM, touché. These days I try to at least make it funny or peculiar in some way. Simply venting is usually pointless indulgence, with rare exceptions: Pseu Braun, for instance, raises venting to an art form somehow. But I'm no Pseu.
	♥ 10:49am Scott McDowell: thanks t from new b : )
	♥ 10:49am TDK60: Am I a rare breed? I like some of the Dead; don't love 'em, but don't hate 'em. Am I a loner?
	♥ 10:51am Uncle Michael: Ike, Pseu's rant about neighborhood pollutants yesterday was a work of art.
	10:51am Morphe: TDK60- You are not alone. As I wrote above I drove 800 miles for a concert - but preferred PigPen's sensibility..
	♥ 10:53am crateslinger: I followed the Dead in the '87 up and down the West Coast. I sold beer in the parking lot to make my way. It was a blast. The girls were amazing!
	♥ 10:53am βrian: I know folks who didn't particularly care for the Dead but would go to their shows. I think it was really just background music to them. They went for the atmosphere and to meet old friends.
	♥ 10:54am TDK60: ..as to San Fran '60s hippies, I'm more a Jefferson Airplane fellow. And Country Joe & The Fish. But the Dead were longer-lasting.
	♥ 10:54am Ken From Hyde Park: I hear Raspberry Pi makes an excellent electronics kit.
	10:56am Listener Gregory: To some degree, ANY personal opinion about the music is kind of uninteresting: I love this! This is awesome! This is boring! I hate this group! Who really cares? On the other hand, I do this all the time, and I really am thrilled to hear Steve Lacy being played. So, if we permit gushing positive opinions, I think negative views should be accepted with grace. IMHO.
	♥ 10:57am Uncle Michael: Ken, after putting together my first Raspberry Pi project, I was so chuffed that I had to hold myself back from turning it into a new hobby.
	♥ 10:57am βrian: I heard about those sheets of paper they would sell, with a grid of little beer steins printed on them. Aye, beer!
	10:57am T from New B: We don't hear enough Sopwith Camel - another great 60s SF band
	♥ 10:57am TDK60: ..saw the Dead only twice; one show was just ho-hum; the other show glistened.
	♥ 10:58am Ken From Hyde Park: Outstanding, UM!
	♥ 10:59am northguineahills: I saw the Dead summer of '95 my freshman year, just out of curiosity, as I wasn't into their music at the time. I had a blast, and about four years later I slowly got into their music (starting from the early period).
	♥ 10:59am northguineahills: (just two months before Jerry passed)
	♥ 10:59am Uncle Michael: Gregory, I find that to be a false equivalency. "I like this" is often an expression of appreciation for the job the host is doing. "I don't like this" obtusely avoids fact that listening isn't compulsory.
	♥ 11:02am northguineahills: I'm w/ Gregory about Steve Lacy....
	♥ 11:04am βrian: What does the WMFU T-shirt look like, anyway?
	11:05am Listener Gregory: @Uncle, I see your point. But comments are not just to the host. Often they are a way to get a conversation started. For the record, I enjoy the variety played on WFMU, and I don't expect to like everything that's played. If I say I don't like something (which I seldom do), it's not intended as a complaint. That Steve Lacy was awesome, by the way!
	♥ 11:08am βrian: It calls to mind experiments in cooking. Sometimes it just doesn't work. It's okay to discuss that... as long as you don't dump your food on the floor.
	♥ 11:09am TDK60: I'm a fan of music in F# minor; and D major. Songs in C, I have to really try...
	♥ 11:11am Uncle Michael: What sorts of conversations have you seen started by expressing your dislike for something, Gregory? Are you challenging other people to defend it? If you want to know what other people appreciate about something, a question might serve better than a condemnation.
	♥ 11:12am tim from champaign: Howdy everyone! I missed the pasty discussion. Pasty's are dee-licious!. I could be mistaken but I believe the the Michgan UP pastries are primarily Welsh with some Finnish pasty stylings in the mix. I also learned some time back while visiting Amsterdam that there is a Surinamese pasty. Where's Cecile when we need her?
	♥ 11:13am Uncle Michael: βrian, a postmortem on a failed kitchen experiment serves a purpose. I don't think we're going to convince the Eagles not to become a band.
	♥ 11:13am Uncle Michael: I really should just be thinking about making pie.
	♥ 11:14am TDK60: ben abs: It was in St. Ives where I had my cheese & onion pasty. Right there on the beachfront.
	♥ 11:14am βrian: "My, it's interesting you chose to incorporate cherry kool-aid mix in your pasty filling. I wouldn't have thought of that myself."
	♥ 11:14am northguineahills: @TDK: I'm more into the 36th ratio of the key of F, myself....
	11:15am Listener Gregory: @Uncle, Well, I could say I don't like X, and you could say their sound is not for everyone, but their guitarwork is great, and someone else could say they never liked X until they heard Y, and on it goes. I wasn't planning on "condemning" anything, though.
	11:15am Chris from DC: Yay, Sky Furrows.
	11:15am ben abs: Came for the pasties, stayed for the music
	♥ 11:16am Uncle Michael: "condemning" is a strong word, but we're speaking in the abstract.
	♥ 11:17am tim from champaign: Fuck yeah, X's guitarwork is great. Billy Zoom is the greatest.
	♥ 11:18am βrian: Similar to pasties, a local bar used to serve Zapatas, which had a filling similar to a burrito. Though the crust was more like a calzone, I guess. Satisfying.
	♥ 11:18am TDK60: Now Y, they don't even like pie or pasties.
	♥ 11:18am Uncle Michael: The thing is, and this is just me, I'm not generalizing, if you say "I don't like X," I have absolutely no stake in changing your mind or justifying my affinity for it/them.
	♥ 11:19am Uncle Michael: (pie, pie, pie)
	11:19am ben abs: Never heard Sky Furrows before, some groovy stuff
	11:20am judy from croton: As Ken used to say, when you listen to fmu, you’re either running to turn it up or turn it off. Much like life itself
	♥ 11:21am TDK60: ben abs: are you really sure they're groovy? hehhee
	11:21am ben abs: TDK60 - you must visit again (as will we!)
	♥ 11:21am northguineahills: @βrian: Zapatas, not to be confused w/ zapatos (as much as I love eating shoe leather).
	♥ 11:22am crateslinger: The best thing I saw on tour with the Dead was Carlos Santana when I was on the green mesculin. I lost my mind - almost made it to the stage like five times but kept getting "bounced" I could "see" the music, maan. It kept pulling me forward. Seriuosly.
	♥ 11:22am βrian: But the same source, etymologically, no?
	11:23am Listener Gregory: There was a good conversation in Destination:Out among people who love Bill Frisell and those who find him boring. At the end, we all felt better for it.
	♥ 11:23am northguineahills: I believe there is only one wfmu dj that I'd usually prefer not to listen to, and I have to admit, that's an impressive trait.
	♥ 11:23am crateslinger: those were supposed to be "air quotes"
	♥ 11:24am northguineahills: @Gregory: Frisell: is both amazing and boring, depending on the album, but I still love him live.
	♥ 11:24am crateslinger: I hate it when people diss the dj. I did it once and felt so bad I didn't log in for weeks. It's a dick move.
	♥ 11:24am Carmichael: Heya Scott and gobblers. I really like Bill Frisell, but I'm sure he can be a challenge to some listeners.
	11:24am ben abs: @NGH - Same, I wonder if it's the same one? Alas, lips are sealed out of respect
	11:25am HChew: Sho do love that CONNIE ACHER
	♥ 11:25am Scott McDowell: : )
	♥ 11:26am TDK60: ben abs: I'd love to go back, great area there, St. Ives, St. Just. I got to join a folk singalong at the club in the Western Hotel. (They have jazz & blues too.) Great pub in the village of Zennor- The Tinners Arms, erected in 1271!
	11:26am ben abs: Can anyone think of any pastry related songs tho??
	♥ 11:26am northguineahills: @ben abs: It didn't help that said dj was terse when my band was vacating the studio when we performed live. That said, that dj does play decent stuff sometimes.
	11:26am Mike Wolf: Hans! We know you do.
	♥ 11:28am northguineahills: @ben abs: Pirateers - Cornish Pasty Song?
	♥ 11:28am βrian: There's one DJ whose music I like but whose patter I find wearisome. (Patter-some?) Took me a while to figure that I just needed to spin the dial.
	11:28am HChew: @mike wolf - busted! LOL
	11:28am ben abs: @NGH - not the same then, mines purely music based, the dj is really nice
	11:29am Listener Gregory: Dissing the DJ in comments is over my limit.
	♥ 11:29am Carmichael: A search of Allmusic shows over 1,000 songs about either doughnuts or pastry.
	11:29am ben abs: @NGH going to do some research into pastrycore later on
	11:30am judy from croton: Pastry-related? I Like Chicken Pie by that guy...Ry Cooder comes to mind.
	11:31am randyfrommichigan: @βrian well I went to U of Michigan for my MBA part time evenings and weekends while working full time, commuting from home, late 90's ... so since I never lived there maybe why that's why I didn't listen to any local Ann Arbor radio.
	11:32am Morphe: TDK, etal. SF Sound: Moby Grape, Blues Magoos, Quicksilver Messenger, CJ Fish " Mabye if you're lucky and you can't go to the ghetto, the ghetto will come to you" or "Sweet Lorraine" or the box..
	♥ 11:33am northguineahills: ben abs: Oh, my bias is music based as well, just the personal encounter didn't help my opinion.
	11:33am ben abs: TDK - Will have a look at that pub
	♥ 11:34am βrian: I did undergrad and grad there. I'm pretty sure I listened to Station Manager Ken there, too, but the actual shows from back then escape me.
	♥ 11:34am northguineahills: I somehow once came up w/ a veggie chicken pot pie for my wife (as well as southern vegan recipes as well). (she does the desserts, I do everything else.)
	♥ 11:35am Devin B.: Yay!
	♥ 11:37am TDK60: Morphe: love CJ & Fish's first 3 albumz: early LPs of Quicksilver Messenger Service and Moby Grape too! // I love Bill Frisell, what a guitar sound, that lonesome sound.
	♥ 11:37am βrian: @NGH: I usually avoid seeming meat equivalents, but I've heard that some veggie chorizo (or whatever on wants to call it) can be really good. Any advice?
	11:37am egould310: Sky Furrows was good. I immediately went to Spotify to save it. But alas, it’s not on Spotify. So sad. Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
	11:38am Chris from DC: Also, yay Dire Wolves!
	♥ 11:38am TDK60: ben abs: Zennor, a tiny village about 3 miles south of St. Ives. The Tinners Arms folks were gracious and talkative. I sat there one afternoon for hours nursing a coffee and they didn't mind.
	♥ 11:39am tim from champaign: What instrument is making that woozy sound?
	♥ 11:39am crateslinger: I heard some weird shit in the woods the other night. Something was murdering something else. Maybe it was a Dire Wolf.
	♥ 11:40am βrian: We've been hearing owls in the pre-dawn hours. City living.
	♥ 11:42am Uncle Michael: Brian, we have a very noisy pre-dawn owl. It's been a while. The hawks had pushed deep into owl turf here in recent years.
	♥ 11:43am crateslinger: Whenever we hear owls, the pitbull doesn't seem to notice, but the chihuahua very quickly hides under a chair.
	♥ 11:43am TDK60: ben abs: I also enjoyed finding out about the longtime art colony in St. Ives --art museums, galleries, studios. Traditional landscape painters and abstract. St. Ives also was where Donovan bummed around before going into the music biz.
	♥ 11:44am βrian: Do they compete? We seem to have both. Seems like they just tip their hats in passing as they change shifts.
	♥ 11:44am tim from champaign: I saw salmon swimming upstream and spawning for the first time in my life. I grew up in a town that had a sizeable river with fishladders but never went to see the salmon run. I loved seeing that.
	11:46am Morphe: TDK: when I was 13 (1974) my IrishCountry parents shipped me to SF from Bklyn(to get me away from my Marijuana smoking friends) to a crazy bachelor uncle living in an SRO above a tuxedo rental shop with a blinking Neon sign on Mission and 26th street.. That was a trip - I only did acid 3 times but that was a trip !!!!!!!! SF sound forever!!!!
	♥ 11:46am northguineahills: @βrian: Trader Joe's veggie chorizo is better then the real thing. otherwise, I usually take firm tofu, marinate it for a few days, and then dry fry it, At that point, it isn't a meat equivalent, but the Japanese version. But, if you add veggie chicken broth to it works well (dry fried tofu can get rather tough enough).
	♥ 11:47am Uncle Michael: maybe competition isn't what it is. We had owls out the wazoo for years...then we had hawks, but no owls. Owls are crepuscular hunters and hawks are diurnal. I'm not sure how much their prey really overlaps. Or how willing they are to nest or roost near each other.
	♥ 11:47am northguineahills: I'm jealous tim....
	♥ 11:48am northguineahills: There's an owl across the street. Hawks aren't that uncommon around here.
	♥ 11:49am βrian: We have some veggie chickens living next door. I bet they'd make some good broth. The hawks ogle them, as well.
	♥ 11:50am tim from champaign: @ngh - yeah it was so cool. I recently moved to a small town on the Puget Sound in WA. There were about 10 harbor seals hanging out in the estuary waiting to catch the salmon. So cool!
	11:51am Listener Gregory: Owl pie is delicious!
	11:52am ben abs: @tdk - looks like a good old traditional country pub. When I am visiting my better half in Stroud, our local is where Laurie lee spent a fair portion of his life
	♥ 11:52am Uncle Michael: Now I want veggie chicken pot pie.
	♥ 11:53am βrian: Was that a [d]ump?
	♥ 11:55am βrian: I still have a weakness for chicken pot pie. Good fresh vegetables and a little tarragon! Fully crusted, of course.
	♥ 11:55am TDK60: I dug those olde English pubs, most had good food too. Visited one in Widecombe-in-the-Moor in Dartmoor Park, Devon.
	11:56am Brendan: Great show!
	♥ 11:56am βrian: Now this bird song: Oh, yes!
	♥ 11:57am TDK60: Yes Scott, this show has been some filling pie.
	♥ 11:57am Uncle Michael: I think there will be turkey pot pie at my house next week.
	11:58am ben abs: Thanks Scott, great show
	♥ 11:59am northguineahills: W000! Got permission to leave work early today (just two more tasks).
	♥ 11:59am Uncle Michael: Thanks, Scott!
	11:59am Listener Gregory: Thanks, Scott.
	♥ 11:59am northguineahills: Danks, Scott!
	♥ 11:59am Sem: Thanks, Scott! Later.
	♥ 12:00pm ɨkɛ: Thanks Scott!
	12:00pm Brendan: Im going to make some elk horn soup
	♥ 12:00pm Booz: Thanks Scott!!
	♥ 12:01pm βrian: See you in Paisley Land.
	12:01pm Brendan: With real elk horn not boulion

The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from November 21, 2018

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