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Favoriting July 22, 2019: Showdown between Big Tech & democracy - who will win?

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This week: the showdown between Big Tech and democracy. Who will win?!



This week, highlights of Big Tech executives getting grilled in Washington last week. And as a bonus, we'll hear about Elon Musk's new implantable chip that he wants to put in your brain to control your muscles. (NOT A JOKE, SORRY)

Side note: In honor of the moon landing 50th: Here's the Techtonic interview with Christopher Potter, author of "The Earth Gazers" - his book about the space program and the first photo of Earth taken from space. From the Feb 5, 2018 episode.

Hearings last week:

• 1. House hearing on Big Tech monopolies - including Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Apple (July 16, 2019): House Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Commercial and Administrative Law: Online Platforms and Market Power - Video here, featuring Nate Sutton Associate General Counsel, Competition, Amazon; and Adam Cohen, Director of Economic Policy, Google. (See also the chair, Representative David Cicilline, from RI, interviewed on NPR (June 6) about Google.)

• 2. Senate hearing on Google (July 16, 2019): Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution: Google and Censorship through Search Engines - Video here. Features Karan Bhatia, Vice President for Government Affairs & Public Policy, Google; Andy Parker, Father of Alison Parker, and Dr. Robert Epstein, past guest on July 30, 2018 Techtonic (and included in the July 22, 2018 show as well).

• 3. Senate hearing on Facebook's Libra (July 16, 2019): Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, "Examining Facebook’s Proposed Digital Currency and Data Privacy Considerations" - Video here.

• 4. Congressional briefing on Facebook's Libra (July 16, 2019): Video of Matt Stoller at Congressional Briefing on Facebook’s “Libra” Cryptocurrency. See also Stoller's "Big" newsletter (July 17) on When Facebook's Bill Lumbergh Tries to Start a Currency.

• 5. House hearing on Facebook's Libra (July 17, 2019): House Committee on Financial Services Hearing: Examining Facebook’s Proposed Cryptocurrency and Its Impact on Consumers, Investors, and the American Financial System - Video here. See also the transcript of the Ocasio-Cortez exchange with David Marcus... as well as this: Facebook's plan for cryptocurrency should set alarm bells ringing (The Guardian, July 21) ... and just posted today, Facebook Is a New Form of Power (New Republic, July 22): "Yes, it's more powerful than most companies. But it's not quite like a government, either." ... and Facebook Crypto Plan Draws Fresh Fury From House Democrats (Bloomberg, July 17).

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  A showdown between Big Tech and democracy: who will win? Mark Hurst plays highlights of Big Tech executives getting grilled in Washington last week.
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  David Cicilline vs. Amazon       0:12:46 (Pop-up)
  David Cicilline vs. Google       0:18:34 (Pop-up)
  Andy Parker vs. YouTube/Google       0:22:44 (Pop-up)
  Sen. Hirono vs. YouTube/Google       0:31:29 (Pop-up)
  Dr. Robert Epstein vs. Google       0:39:34 (Pop-up)
  Sen. Josh Hawley vs. Google       0:42:08 (Pop-up)
  Matt Stoller vs. Facebook's Libra       0:47:26 (Pop-up)
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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:00pm
ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtrebellumnaries!
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geezerette:

Eeeeek! in advance.
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ultradamno:

Techtal Lobers?
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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herb.nyc:

I like mark hurst, on wfmu he is first
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
ultradamno:

Finally, monkeys can control computers with their minds! We had all been clamoring for it!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and Techtonia!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtographers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
coelacanth∅:

greetings
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
chris:

hi, Mark and folks. speaking of trans-humanism, this is a pump that will keep your blood flowing even after you die - stanfordhealthcare.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Bas NL:

Mark! BigTectonici!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...oh is that all...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Bas NL:

I think thereby i pay.
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herb.nyc:

3 hearings on July 16, but will it fix theengs
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
queems:

alright i'm ready
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
Ike:

English rom-com joke... GROOOOOOOOAN
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herb.nyc:

elon musk is the chaser, can he be more baser?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
chresti:

That was the day my car wouldn't start, last Tuesday
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geezerette:

Mark, we've been in dystopia for awhile now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
chris:

you're going to arouse the ire of the 'no politics' crowd here. but i'm sure many of us have your back.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:11pm
queems:

except for the supreme court weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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herb.nyc:

man is it very frustrating, kinda like 31 months of constipating
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:11pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Yesterday's low point is today's ceiling, with those people.
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geezerette:

Can't count on anything anymore.
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Fredericks:

Don't we vote with our dollars. And attention?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

That Bernie guy is asserting it ain't D.C. calls the shots - it's Wall St.
...& many say - triangulate w/ Silicon Valley...maybe younger ones more...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm
chris:

a government that protects its citizens? sounds like socialism! (tee-hee)
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Fredericks:

Socialism is organized compassion--Billy Bragg.
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geezerette:

I feel your pain.
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coelacanth∅:

except all the assholes making the wrong choice affect the people of this country and world who actually do want the freedom to think for themselves and not be oppressed by gluttonous selfishness.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Love it Fredericks.
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chresti:

Amazon "Plain Wrap" brand
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geezerette:

Ha ha,"Thank you for the question."
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
queems:

this guy gets it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
ultradamno:

Thank you, thank you for the question, to ignore the question let me say...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Impressive Mr. Cicilline.
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Carmichael:

This question is a fine question as far as questions go.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
listener james from westwood:

Cicilline received $12,700 from Amazon for 2019–2020: www.opensecrets.org...
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geezerette:

Ultra, exactly. Exasperating to say the least.
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queems:

i like how this guy is like doubling tripling quadrupling down
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geezerette:

God, the arrogance.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@listener jfw: ...D'oh!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:20pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

He keeps reciting the same cue card!
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geezerette:

queems, yep, ugh.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:21pm
queems:

we need to bring fat taft back from the dead to bust these trusts
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chresti:

That's a spit in the bucket, for Amzon @james
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VincentNifigance:

I’m not looking for products or services on Google. That’s the problem, I’m looking for information.
  6:23pm
Listener Robert:

Did he just say, "Our goal is to provide you with disinformation as soon as possible"?
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geezerette:

"What I CAN say...".
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:23pm
listener james from westwood:

It's easy for them to sprinkle everyone. They're not even rounding errors. It's like the Mob greasing folks just as an opening howdy in case greater services are needed. But to the legislators it's nearly irresistible money.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
Bas NL:

Clickocracy.
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coelacanth∅:

the general public can only blame themselves. scamazon is just another group of pigs out of countless number of pigs. if this world becomes a version of the one depicted in the book "1984" it's solely because the masses have enabled it.
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queems:

lol ted cruz
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mr_mike:

Oh come on. He totally answered the 'amazon brand' question reasonably. If I want bose headphones I know the amazon basics won't be the same
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geezerette:

Bas, good one!
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ultradamno:

Never *heard* it. Read it a bunch, but never heard it.
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TDK60:

Can I order a moral compass online?
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herb.nyc:

lack of a moral compass, they just be so pompous
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queems:

oh jesus this got dark
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VincentNifigance:

It sounds so creepy: “...the shadowy ‘Alphabet’ corporation...”
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herb.nyc:

I feel so bad for Andy Parker - f you, google!
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mr_mike:

I think hearing members are asking the wrong questions to catch them doing something wrong. Gg/Al already knows what they can get away with as long as there aren't internal documents
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queems:

are you listening, facebook?
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mr_mike:

700,000 views of that murder. Please Anonymous take it down
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
listener james from westwood:

Ted's clean on the Amazon $ count but he is the Zodiac Killer.
Avatar 6:30pm
geezerette:

The walls are up, we're surrounded, they're jusi invisible.
  6:31pm
Listener Robert:

This guy seems to be more bothered by publicity about his daughter's murder than about the murder itself! Does he object to all publicity of real-world violence? That's been a staple of news since...forever.
  6:32pm
tak:

anything good about anonymous has been caught or stopped a good while ago. this is some vile stuff. good show.
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geezerette:

Eloquent.
  6:33pm
tak:

well the murder already happened, once, while publicity goes on and on. i think he has a point
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:33pm
listener james from westwood:

Quarter-sized hail in some parts of NJ. Great googly-moogly.
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queems:

it is POURING right now in clifton, nj
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:34pm
listener james from westwood:

Hirono's clean on Amazon money.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:36pm
listener james from westwood:

So's my local congresscritter, Gottheimer, who seems to have just picked up Scott Garrett's bag route like a Lucchese taking over a Genovese's territory or Marlo Stanfield grabbing a Barksdale corner.
  6:38pm
Listener Robert:

Tak, there've been a lot of pictures or vids of real-world horror that get shown over and over so much, they're famous. The demolition of the World Trade Center alone generated tons of it.
  6:39pm
Listener Robert:

Consider how many times the Zapruder film alone gets looked at!
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mr_mike:

This is a reasonable response if you listen, Mark
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geezerette:

We're supposed to feel sorry for Google?!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:40pm
chresti:

So, do they ever watch these videos, or just feed them into a machine?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

CAPTCHA: Click on all the murder scenes above.
  6:41pm
Gh:

I hope u go after Facebook for allowing harmful accusation posts to be left up for years
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geezerette:

Webham, it hurts to laugh.
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mr_mike:

If 200 news outlets show it then its owned by the uploading network. I hope he doesn't expect to remove all mention of his daughter's murder
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:43pm
ultradamno:

And all these murder videos come with recommendations to videos claiming them all to be created by crisis actors.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
coelacanth∅:

but several wfmu show hosts play youboob videos on their shows. (and incredibly hate on spotify, despite this...and despite shitty sound quality)
and wfmu aligned itself with amazon.

am i the only one who objects to this?
  6:45pm
JakeGould:

Fish, sometimes there is no choice.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

All the Benefits - All the Control
...None of the Accountability...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:47pm
ultradamno:

Searching for 'risky minors' is one way to go down a You Tube pedohole.
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geezerette:

Talk faster, Google.
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chresti:

Oh boy, ripping him a neww a- hole
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Carmichael:

Alexa will take the stand tomorrow.
  6:48pm
Listener Robert:

Again the pedophiles thing! If you don't like how some people view your video, don't put it online?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
Bas NL:

People upload. Anything they want. Why not give everyone the power to offload content? (Instead of the vague 'flagging of content.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
chresti:

They only see the numbers
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geezerette:

Ha! Carm! :(
  6:50pm
phillippe bastille:

great show, Mark!
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geezerette:

Chresti, yep.
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mr_mike:

grandstanding bully senator. Nothing will change, Bhatia is useless
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geezerette:

FB should call it Rand.
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Carmichael:

That's the spirit, Mr Mike!
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geezerette:

"Innovative" not always good.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

These aren't even close to being Monopolies...
Nothing to see here!...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

thanks for bringing this to the airwaves and cyberstreams
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geezerette:

Thanks, Mark.
  6:56pm
Listener Robert:

Great show again, Mr. Hurst. Really got me going, at least.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'The only thing the Powers That Be really didn't like about Hitler was the Competition'...
- George Carlin
Hmm...Wall St., D.C., Silicon Valley...
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TDK60:

Thanks again, Mark.
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geezerette:

They're not asking.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

As a resident of San Francisco for the last 30 years, i can tell you just how much these tech companies don't have morals or care about citizens
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark, Good one!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
ultradamno:

Wait, demolition?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
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mr_mike:

hand over all minutea to lawmakers, no. Abandon these moraless establishments ,yes
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chresti:

Asbergers behavior-
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

and this mash up is making me feel very funny
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Machineheads...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
chresti:

They see that people are upset and don't know how to process it
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geezerette:

Hey Chresti, agree.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:03pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Sorry I didn't get to all the clips. I blame the thunderstorm... but really, I think I had too many clips for one show!
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