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Familiar & forgotten gems from 50-plus years of music on the darker side, shoegaze, synthpop, goth, psychedelia, darkwave, with unapologetic detours into 70s pop. In a dark night of the soul, it's always 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Favoriting December 20, 2019: Last Gasp Before the Holidays

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Artist Track Album Label Year Comments Images Approx. start time
Queen  Another One Bites the Dust   Favoriting The Game  Elektra  1980      0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Night Club  Do It Again   Favoriting Night Club  Night Club  2012      0:04:16 (Pop-up)
Edith Pop  Money   Favoriting Edith Pop EP  Edith Pop  2014      0:08:07 (Pop-up)
Revel Hotel  Evolutionary Men   Favoriting The Station  Revel Hotel Music  2012      0:11:30 (Pop-up)
Berlin  Dancing in Berlin   Favoriting Love Life  Geffen Records  1984      0:12:33 (Pop-up)
Kate Bush  Heads We're Dancing   Favoriting The Sensual World  Columbia  1989      0:20:49 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
The Beach Boys 
Good Vibrations (stereo backing track)   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
0:25:50 (Pop-up)
Anna Karina  Rollergirl   Favoriting Ultrachicks Volume 5 Lolita Ya-Ya          0:31:52 (Pop-up)
Abba  Lovelight   Favoriting Thank You for the Music [Box]  Polar   1979  B-side    0:33:22 (Pop-up)
France Gall  Musique   Favoriting Evidemment Integrale  Atlantic  1977      0:36:35 (Pop-up)
Linda Ronstadt  I Can't Let Go   Favoriting Greatest Hits Vol. 2  Asylum  1980      0:42:27 (Pop-up)
The Who  Bell Boy   Favoriting Quadrophenia  Track Record  1973      0:44:37 (Pop-up)
Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians  The President   Favoriting Element of Light  Glass Fish Records  1986      0:49:36 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
The Monkees 
I'm A Believer (instrumental backing track)   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
0:53:55 (Pop-up)
Pink Floyd  Wish You Were Here   Favoriting Wish You Were Here  Columbia  1975      1:01:26 (Pop-up)
Fotheringay  Nothing More   Favoriting Fotheringay  A&M Records  1970      1:05:14 (Pop-up)
Leonard Cohen  Stories of the Street   Favoriting Songs of Leonard Cohen  Columbia  1967      1:09:57 (Pop-up)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds  Girl in Amber   Favoriting Skeleton Tree  Bad Seed Ltd.  2016      1:14:19 (Pop-up)
Elton John  Madman Across The Water (Original Version)   Favoriting Rare Masters  Polydor  1992  from 1970    1:19:15 (Pop-up)
Three Dog Night  Lady Samantha   Favoriting Suitable For Framing  Dunhill  1969      1:28:09 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
The Beatles 
She's Leaving Home (Instrumental Take 1)   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
1:31:04 (Pop-up)
Broadcast  According to No Plan   Favoriting Work and Non-Work  Drag City  1997      1:40:53 (Pop-up)
Genesis  More Fool Me   Favoriting Selling England by the Pound  Charisma  1973      1:43:00 (Pop-up)
Nick Drake  Fly   Favoriting Bryter Layter  Island Records  1971      1:46:14 (Pop-up)
Bee Gees  Melody Fair   Favoriting Odessa  ATCO Records  1969      1:49:06 (Pop-up)
Larkin Grimm  My Justine   Favoriting Parplar  Young God Records  2008      1:52:56 (Pop-up)
Stereolab  Motoroller Scalotron   Favoriting Emperor Tomato Ketchup  Elektra  1996      1:57:23 (Pop-up)
The Human League  So Hurt   Favoriting Hysteria  Virgin  1984      2:01:35 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
The Monkees 
She's So Far Out, She's In (instrumental)   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
2:05:32 (Pop-up)
Lights  Lick the Blood   Favoriting Lights  Twisted Nerve  2008      2:11:38 (Pop-up)
My Bloody Valentine  (please) Lose Yourself in Me   Favoriting Ecstasy and Wine  Lazy Records  1989      2:14:22 (Pop-up)
Mazzy Star  Happy   Favoriting Among My Swan  Capitol Records  1996      2:17:56 (Pop-up)
Black Tape for a Blue Girl  The Stars   Favoriting To Touch the Milky Way  Projekt  2018      2:21:50 (Pop-up)
Kristeen Young  (But It's All Just) Imagined   Favoriting The Orphans  Test Tube Baby  2006      2:26:49 (Pop-up)
Florence & The Machine  Cosmic Love   Favoriting Lungs  Island Records  2009      2:31:07 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Ed Hartman 
Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
2:35:14 (Pop-up)
Toyah  I Believe in Father Christmas   Favoriting Mayhem  Safari  1985      2:42:00 (Pop-up)
Donovan  The Enchanted Gypsy   Favoriting A Gift from a Flower to a Garden  Epic  1967      2:43:58 (Pop-up)
The Mamas & The Papas  California Dreamin'   Favoriting All the Leaves Are Brown: The Golden Era Collection  MCA  2001  from 1965    2:47:20 (Pop-up)
Laghonia  Sand Man   Favoriting Glue  Mag  1971      2:49:55 (Pop-up)
The Moody Blues  Twilight Time (Alternate vocal mix)   Favoriting Days of Future Passed (Deluxe Edition)  Deram   1967      2:53:17 (Pop-up)
Various, Andrew Lloyd Webber & Tim Rice  Superstar   Favoriting Jesus Christ Superstar          2:55:26 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ:
Syd Barrett 
Gigolo Aunt (loop)   Favoriting
 
 
 
 
 
3:01:28 (Pop-up)
Elton John  Step Into Christmas   Favoriting Rare Masters       
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Listener comments!

  7:01pm
Philly Buster:

Dark Night of the Soul AT NIGHT!
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Julie:

are you hearing Queen?
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Julie:

I'll just assume it's working till someone tells me otherwise!
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doctorjazz:

Queen and the rest came through loud and clear! Hi!
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Julie:

woohoo! Hi Dr Jazz!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Hey ! Julietime.
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WR:

I'm not hearing Queen but not surprising as it should have finished several minutes ago. The image does read Nightmare Before Christmas to me.
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Julie:

hiya Rev Rabbit!
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Julie:

hiya WR!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I thinks they has heard some Boowies...
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Julie:

My father STILL says Boo wie instead of Bow Wie
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talvi tulee:

An insomniac from Finland tuning in. Your fill-in show comes as a nice surprise! I did miss the first half an hour but better late than...
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Julie:

aww talvi I'm sorry you can't sleep but at least it's Friday!
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diciassette:

Wauooo! MAd Love
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Linda got all the vocal range of The Hollies yup.
Even clickstarred that Abba.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I HEAR KEEFMOON.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

(...who will not display the vocal range of The Hollies...)
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Julie:

I haven't seen the Linda movie yet, I really need to. Listened a LOT growing up.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Wouldn't mind watching Linda. Nope.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Band - I ask you.
Can't tell you what Who albums meant to me in real youth.
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Julie:

I had the movie soundtrack to Tommy and Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy. I didn't really get to hear their full albums until the last 10 years or so!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

....sorry taking up space here but ROBYN!
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Julie:

I don't think there is any bad Robyn, not that I've heard yet anyway!
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Julie:

and a truly nice man too
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talvi tulee:

for me The Who as an 8-year-old was Live at Leeds (which I proudly owned & lost all the inserts) plus Tommy and some singles collectio I listened to at my local library. Good times.
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diciassette:

Robyn will be at The Chapel on his 67th birthday (fyi for feller bay area fellers)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

He's a Treasure.
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talvi tulee:

saw him live once, I am rather unfamiliar with his music, but he was a very entertaining raconteur.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh is he ever!
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WR:

Oh, will take a look at Fabio's show for more Karina. And interesting approach to backing track tunes.
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talvi tulee:

another childhood memory, Wish You Were Here I mean.
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Julie:

holidays are when you miss people the most
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

....less overexposed...yeah it's devastating.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...as is Sandy I don't know @ all...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Dark power, take control!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

....this is just about the Darkest Night incidentally...
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talvi tulee:

speaking of falling asleep to music, the first time I heard White Chalk by PJ Harvey I fell lightly asleep (like I heard all the songs through my dream) and it is the one that has made the strongest impression on me of her albums, probably due to that experience. She also said she tried to achieve certain atmospheres while recording/composing that album by depriving herself of sleep, or something to that effect (I might remember this incorrectly) so maybe that is why the dreamy state of listening was the best
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Julie:

ooh that sounds wonderful
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talvi tulee:

I have found another firm favorite with Sandy Denny, her BBC sessions (even the most lo-fi) are among her best recordings
  8:10pm
Doug Schulkind:

Hi Julie!
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doctorjazz:

Great acoustic set! Great early Cohen Cohen (when he still tried singing...)
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Julie:

Sandy was amazing. Hey Doug!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Cave's a better Cohen than the rest of us...he tries harder.
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Julie:

I still prefer Cohen.
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Julie:

meghan and I should pair up and do a Cohen versus Cave show
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talvi tulee:

my favourite from this album, even if I am not so familiar with what Nick Cave has been doing for the last 25 years- The two newest albums are demanding in a good way.
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WR:

That song convinced me that I need to listen to more Nick Cave. Long have known about him but haven't done any methodical listening, just random tunes heard randomly.
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WR:

That song plus Amanda Palmer keeps referencing him and his work.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Feel that Style & Substance are in some kind of conflict w/ Cave - even tho he's smarter than most by far as to what Substance is... Artists often on top when really feeling something to express... Like - love him but get tired of being dragged thru some sensationalist Crime novel or something...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

....having said that - several fine albums...
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Julie:

I'd like to know his work better than I do. I don't think I've found *MY* Nick Cave album yet
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talvi tulee:

for me anything goes from Birtday Party to Let Love In - that said, I don't listen to Nick Cave/his bands that much anymore.
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WR:

I have that LP but have not listened to it for 50 years so don't remember this song at all.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Surprisingly - I love his Covers album - Kicking Against Pricks...Ex-gf went deep ...I'd like to take fave trax from each...& Birthday Party another particular more ferral animal...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Lady S ! Had Elton doing it on some English Rawk compilation ! Hadn't that of it in decades !!
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WR:

Meant tha 3 dog night suitable for framing...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Madman sound like 'Man Who Sold the World' Boowie band...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

You fine.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Playlist even.
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Julie:

Yeah I think it is just me. I'm running 3 laptops here LOL
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doctorjazz:

When I was a teen, I was the music guru at home. My younger sister, who wasn't, loved Nick Drake (not sure how she found him). Took me a while to catch on.
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doctorjazz:

Ah, the velvet album! Pretty!
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Julie:

Pretty sure I found Nick Drake from FMU
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Started to hear about Nick Drake ...& delayed the inevitable falling in love - because of the tragedy & all...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...quite a thing to say about Pop - but it's for reals...
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Julie:

It's like Sandy Denny, I wonder if she'd sound so sad to me if she were alive
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doctorjazz:

Lost you for a minute...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Hm. Well - her voice stops time for me. Like it is a Place - like Middle-earth is a definitive Place that exists.
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Julie:

a whole minute?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No seconds. :)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...like the Collective Unconscious comes thru Sandy Denny - this Folk spirit & you go - oh - the Ancestors speak...
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Julie:

I think Bolan has that quality too, certainly his early stuff
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Linda Lee:

hello! stereolab! lovely!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for the fill-in, Julie. Enjoy your holiday time off.
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Julie:

Hi Linda Lee!
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Linda Lee:

so glad to hear you. :-)
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Julie:

thanks Ken you have a great holiday too!
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Julie:

BTW Bronwyn's slot is only till 9 but I am here till 10!
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Linda Lee:

superb! :-)
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doctorjazz:

You could stay a few hours more...
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Julie:

I wish I could, I have to pack and get up early tomorrow!
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Linda Lee:

this is one of the longest nights of the year. we could use it! :-D
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Julie:

always ready for an extra hour of darkness
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Hm.Yas. Bolan a dif sort of Enchantment tho'...yas...
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huomenta:

Larkin Grimm's song reminded me of Bridget St. John a bit, I should listen to both a lot more.
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Julie:

oooh yes I need to listen to Bridget more!
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WR:

Was just talking to my wife and reading about Nick Drake. His death clouds so many people's approach to his music. I got the first two albums not long after they came out remember being disappointed that the US release was comp of the first two. When Pink Moon came out my music friends split between those missing the lush accompaniment and those loving the sparse but tightly bound voice and guitar.
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Linda Lee:

we love weird, darlin. that's why we're here. :-D
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huomenta:

Julie, while you are away I need to check the archives - especially your 2012(?) Kinks show seems interesting as I am not familiar with post-Muswell Hillbillies Kinks
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Pink Moon is like Robert Johnson. Completely opposite - but like..
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talvi tulee:

I am the person above(huomenta) btw, I usually use this nickname on your shows :)
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Linda Lee:

how did I miss 'my Justine'? i'll have to revisit! i was Justine once in a novel. name changed to protect the guilty.
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Linda Lee:

70 sounds pretty darn awesome here too.
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Linda Lee:

deeply love this Lights track. fabulous.
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Julie:

ohh the kinks show was so fun!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...& HopeSandoval is a thing to melt in...
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WR:

Me too on the Lights song, and can't find it on an available release.
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Julie:

it's confusing there are two bands called lights. This one is Sophia Knapp's band.
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Linda Lee:

only two? :-D
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Julie:

two from the same time period anyway on CDs
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Julie:

and they're both good
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WR:

Two who debuted in 2008 with female leader / vocalist. Ok. Knowing Sophia Knapp and I now find it. Thank you. And yes, removing the female / 2008 debut significantly increases the list of bands named Lights.
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Julie:

Sophia's lights then became Cliffie Swan
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doctorjazz:

Like this Florence and the Machine (my daughter turned me on to them)
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doctorjazz:

(They sound Like they listened to a lot of marching bands...)
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WR:

Doug should totally be ok with you doing random stealth shows.
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Linda Lee:

honestly.
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doctorjazz:

Not just ok, I'd think he'd love it!
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WR:

Was distracted, it was Kristeen Young that Visconti mixed? Is it in the archive?
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Julie:

Yes, and yes. I think it was memorial day-ish 2011.
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Julie:

a lot of my pic links are broken I have been slowly fixing them so apologies for messy playlists
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talvi tulee:

I have never heard Laghonia before, well thanks for educating me Julie
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Julie:

I think they were a peruvian band
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talvi tulee:

yep, google told me so.
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doctorjazz:

Is the mix on Sand Man kind of weird? One voice just jumped out of the chorus (could be my set up)
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talvi tulee:

weird mixes for me please
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Doug Schulkind:

Great Friday night soundtrack, Julie. Thanks! Have a wonderful holiday!
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talvi tulee:

I have had a copy of Days of Future Passed for 24 years, maybe I should finally give it a listen...
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Julie:

thanks Doug! You too!
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doctorjazz:

Who says we don't get show music?
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Julie:

how much stretch time do I have? I got one more and I wanna back announce
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Julie:

Talvi indeed you should! It's beautiful. Dr Jazz yep! always room for JCS
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Saw Moodys do it on PBS. Great ! :)
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doctorjazz:

Thanks, Julie, much fun! (Go for it!)
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Julie:

what I don't know is which version this is..
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talvi tulee:

this show was well worth staying up, 4.58 a.m. here but I wanna rock
  9:57pm
Dean:

The movie s/t. This ain't Gillan.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Original theatre?
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Julie:

thanks Dean, I thought so. I need to get the Gillan version!
  9:58pm
Dean:

Except I think I'm mistaken. Jesus isn't singing this tune. Still, I know the stage version. This isn't it.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'kay. Well it ain't Jesus its Judas....
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Hm.
  9:59pm
Dean:

Yep, Rev.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Great to catch you again. Got a job I can't stream all day...
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talvi tulee:

thanks Julie,merry xmas and a fab 2020!
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WR:

have a great holiday trip Julie! Laters all.
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Julie:

thanks for listening everyone! see you in 2020!
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doctorjazz:

Happy Happy all!
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Julie:

good to see you again Rev Rabbit!
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Doug Schulkind:

Nice lineup on the Drummer Stream tomorrow:

Noise & Syrup (Jeff Mullen) is filling in for Mayuko to kick things off. Dave Sewelson has guest Luke Stewart on Music For a Free World. Kurt Gottschalk's Miniature Minotaurs is filling in for Someday Matinee. And the Knave is back in the saddle with Five Miles to Midnight, live from Melbourne, Australia!
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Julie:

since it's credited to Webber & Rice I assumed it was the album, guess I need to go compare!
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Julie:

yay Noise & Syrup!
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