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Options January 22, 2020: You Will Get Nothing Back. Not Even Your Horse.

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Artist Track Album Label Approx. start time
Mal Waldron Trio  1-3-234   Options Free at Last  ECM  0:00:00 (Pop‑up)
Joe McPhee & Hamid Drake  Lord Don't Let 'Em Drop Them Goddamn Nukes On Us Lord   Options Keep Going  Corbett vs. Dempsey  0:04:52 (Pop‑up)
Frank Zappa  Night School   Options Jazz From Hell  Barking Pumpkin  0:16:14 (Pop‑up)
Seth Graham  Black / Yellow (ft. Koeosaeme)   Options Hint  Mondoj  0:21:12 (Pop‑up)
TNT Roots  Righteous Vibration   Options Raw Dub Creation  Bokeh Versions  0:24:39 (Pop‑up)
Pulse Emitter  Teal Forest Droplets   Options Through the Portal  Phinery  0:28:38 (Pop‑up)
CDX  60.90 III   Options Lion Cuts  Doom Trip  0:31:59 (Pop‑up)
Arian Shafiee  15ma maqam   Options Arabic Voice  Unifactor  0:34:36 (Pop‑up)
Chambry  My Very First Karaoke   Options STORYBOARD  CINDYS TAPES  0:38:15 (Pop‑up)
Steve Spacek  Things Outta My Head   Options Natural Sci-Fi  Eglo  0:39:42 (Pop‑up)
Josef Leimberg  Echoes of One (Feat. Jimetta Rose)   Options Astral Progressions  World Galaxy  0:42:51 (Pop‑up)
Greg Saunier | Mary Halvorson | Ron Miles  I Woke Up in Love This Morning   Options New American Songbooks, Vol. 1  Sound American  0:55:44 (Pop‑up)
Brandon Lopez  Main-Line-Main-Land Christ-Child   Options The Church of Plenty, Empty  No Rent  0:58:20 (Pop‑up)
Crazy Doberman  Hell is Within Us (Part 4)   Options Hell Is Within Us  Castle Bravo  1:05:33 (Pop‑up)
Lea Bertucci & Amirtha Kidambi  Under the Influence   Options Phase Eclipse  Astral Spirits  1:11:57 (Pop‑up)
Aaron Dilloway  Labyrinths & Jokes   Options Modern Jester  Hanson  1:20:27 (Pop‑up)
Sparkling Wide Pressure  Ovvorn   Options Yowling Seers  Lillerne  1:26:18 (Pop‑up)
Long Shadow Duo  Pinnated Grouse   Options Lifelong  Lillerne  1:31:49 (Pop‑up)
Aaron Oppenheim  September Seas   Options Cumberland County  Full Spectrum  1:35:24 (Pop‑up)
Ben Lukas Boysen & Sebastian Plano  Blue Light   Options Everything  Erased  1:45:21 (Pop‑up)
Paul Bley / Gary Peacock / Paul Motian  Flame   Options When Will the Blues Leave  ECM  1:48:19 (Pop‑up)
The Blue Nile  Easter Parade   Options A Walk Across the Rooftops  Linn / A&M  1:53:45 (Pop‑up)

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:00pm Gary:

Avatar 10:02pm TDK60:

I have no intention to touch that dial at this time. Thanks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:03pm Sam Segal:

Thank you for your dial avoidance, TDK! Incredible show tonight, Gary!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm chresti:

Hi Sam, is that yard where our horses are?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm Sam Segal:

It's worth a check, Chresti. At this point, our horses could be anywhere.
  10:06pm Gilly:

Can’t find my horse, I think I came to the right spot. Good evening Sam.
  10:06pm Gary via app:

Thank you! And agree about the nukes
Avatar 10:06pm still b/p:

Was checking origin of playlist photo, though I think I saw it here before...?
Anyway, image search finds it but also says
"Possible related search: gingerbread"
Hoorah! Gingerbread!
Avatar 10:07pm coelacanth∅:

hey Sam and junkyard horses
Avatar 10:07pm northguineahills:

Second time I've heard McPhee on GTDS today!
Avatar 10:08pm coelacanth∅:

i think i see my car in there
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:08pm Sam Segal:

Gilly, SBP, Coel, and NGH! A veritable who's who of Drummer Stream all-timers. Hello, gang!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10pm Sam Segal:

The caption on this photo: "Auto dump at Henderson, May 1972." I believe that's Henderson, NV. Taken by Charles O'Rear.
Avatar 10:14pm coelacanth∅:

72? it looks older. it's hard to tell with the station wagons but i don't see anything looking newer than mid-60s -and mostly 50s, some older
Avatar 10:16pm coelacanth∅:

(...but then if it's nevada i guess a junk yard would typically contain older cars than a junk yard on the east coast)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:17pm Sam Segal:

Well, it is an auto dump, so maybe those cars have been languishing there awhile.
Avatar 10:18pm Franco Twinkie:

Me too! And totally unapologetic about it. Frank bugs a lot of people and I totally understand why. But still, there was no one else like him.
Avatar 10:19pm TDK60:

Interesting, the amount of whitish cars.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:19pm chresti:

I see some real old ones.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20pm chresti:

Maybe they got bleached out by the sun.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:20pm Sam Segal:

Hell yeah, Franco! I need to stop defending myself from the cool kids I imagine lurking in the shadows harshly judging my enjoyment of a little Zappa here and there.
Avatar 10:21pm coelacanth∅:

Sam, my new theory is that junk yards in the ny/nj/ct area would have many newer cars as well because 1)more traffic=more crashes & 2) lots of car-rotting salt on the roads
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:24pm chresti:

The bodies look fairly straight, as far as I can tell.
  10:25pm Dean:

Frankly, (and isn't that the best pun so far?!) I think everybody, even the Zappa dislikers, get guilty pleasure from the guy's work. He was too prolific not to produce something for everybody.
Avatar 10:26pm coelacanth∅:

-also, i've been to junk yards (at least 2) that have an age-limit on what they'll accept and what they'll keep. these yards as policy will never have parts for my cars!

chresti i noticed that too. maybe this is a "for restoration" junk yard (is there such a thing?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm doctorjazz:

Hello Sam and Horsemen!
(Never developed a liking for Zappa...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm chresti:

The link I saw said "salvage yard".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:29pm Sam Segal:

I think you're right about that, Dean.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:29pm Sam Segal:

We certainly won't hold that against you, Doc!
Avatar 10:30pm TDK60:

Maybe that/those buildings in the lower left were re-building shops..
Avatar 10:30pm coelacanth∅:

Dean i'll say of many artists that i "like with reservations" Zappa is one that it'd be easy to dislike everything from. reason being that the one thing present in everything he did is something that's not present: something along the lines of "soul"; or feeling.
many people absolutely cannot get with purely intellectual music.
  10:32pm Ike:

This is good!
  10:33pm Dean:

Nor have I, doc, but when I visited a buddy of mine in CT in the waning years of the '90s I'd wake up for the Zappa memorial on a local radio station. It supplied my Zappa quota for the year, and I loved it. Still, I don't buy the records, except for one...

...namely, Cruisin' with Ruben & the Jets, which is as full of soul as can be.

I have no idea what "purely intellectual" means. None.
Avatar 10:34pm Franco Twinkie:

I grew up in an unincorporated part of Los Angeles County where the zoning was lax to non-existence, thus I had my choice of quite a few junk yards to play in. Most of them are gone now, or at least not as chaotic as they were in the 1960's. As kids we really liked Frank Zappa because he seemed understand what life on the other side of the tracks was like. One time on public television he purportedly said "You think there are a lot of drugs in Hollywood, you ought to go to Bassett" Where I grew up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm Sam Segal:

Glad you're digging, Ike!
Avatar 10:37pm TDK60:

Franco, you've weaved it together; maybe the junkyard guys in their workshop are listening to Chunga's Revenge or something.
Avatar 10:40pm coelacanth∅:

Dean, i'm not surprised that you don't know what i mean by that -even though you listen to plenty of it.
(we've discussed it before and i wont elaborate on the obvious)
Avatar 10:42pm Franco Twinkie:

TDK, My introduction to The MOI was a bunch of bikers who lived down the street. They had and old panel truck with a FOUR TRACK Ampex tape player with We"re Only In It For The Money on a endless loop.
  10:43pm Dean:

Xenakis? Brainy, as opposed to sentimental music? Zappa falls on the side of Xenakis? But even so, Xenakis expresses sentiment, too.
Avatar 10:44pm coelacanth∅:

i have to ask, Sam is the episode title a quote from "all the pretty horses"?
Avatar 10:44pm northguineahills:

Does Steve Spacek collaborate w/ Sissy Spacek?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45pm Sam Segal:

I don't think so, Coel. It was a phrase that just came to me, although its possible I absorbed something from "All the Pretty Horses" by osmosis. I haven't read it, but you never know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:46pm Sam Segal:

Haha, NGH, you'll have to specify...Sissy Spacek the noise band or Sissy Spacek the actor.
Avatar 10:46pm Franco Twinkie:

Frank Zappa could be very sentimental. It just wasn't the type of sentiment many people liked or comprehended.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:46pm chresti:

Ruben & the Jets is a favorite.
Avatar 10:48pm Franco Twinkie:

Chresti and I were both lower-middle class kids that hung out with Mexicans.
Avatar 10:48pm northguineahills:

@Sam: Yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:53pm doctorjazz:

Does Mary Halverson ever sleep? Seems she's everywhere!
Avatar 10:54pm coelacanth∅:

i mean music that generally (at least) doesn't induce sadness or anger or elation (etc) as a primary response. (elation because of the enjoyment of the music is "secondary". -i'm really not sure my terminology is perfectly appropriate)
Zappa's music is music one listens to and thinks about.
if reveling in the composition and arrangement and playing (etc) elates you that's different.
... sentimental and

...emotional are 2 different things.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:55pm WR:

I connect in time to hear Sam say Partridge Family. Is that right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:56pm Sam Segal:

No kidding, Doc. At least 3-5 releases a year it seems.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:56pm Sam Segal:

You heard right, WR! This is an interpretation of a song by the Partridge Family!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:57pm WR:

Mary Halverson is very promiscuous and we love her for it.
Avatar 10:57pm coelacanth∅:

i'm going to go to sleep with Frank Zappa on my mind, and wake up in Love tomorrow morning.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm WR:

@10:57coelacanth∅ go in peace and love.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm Sam Segal:

Sleep well, Coel!
Avatar 11:01pm coelacanth∅:

i was just referencing the song lyrics; but okay i'll go!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:01pm doctorjazz:

Night, Coel!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:01pm doctorjazz:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm WR:

Why does Brandon Lopez treat us and his bassoon violin this way? Thank you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm Sam Segal:

No, no, please stay, Coel!
  11:03pm Dean:

For some folks, Xenakis elicits [etc.] as a primary response.

Going beddy-bye with Zappa on the mind is not a bad thing, as I learned in CT over a couple decades ago. Those were among the most swell nights of my life.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:04pm doctorjazz:

Aside from her own releases, thus discography had Halverson on 6 CDs in 2019 with other artists. And I don't know how complete that is...
Avatar 11:04pm Franco Twinkie:

Some of Franks stuff was so site specific to the neglected parts of Southern California that I'm sure a lot people who lived here had no idea what he was talking about. To me, that is worthy in itself.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:05pm WR:

@11:01coelacanth∅ you are too subtle for us. Besides aren't you in Pacific time zone so the sun has just dipped below the horizon. While doctorjazz & I are past our beddie bye time
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm doctorjazz:

Hey, WR, I'm sending Lou Reed-The Complete Sire Years to a friend...any interest (or Sam, or others)?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm Sam Segal:

I am absolutely interested, Doc. Please and thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm WR:

I have the Sire box set on CD, but thank you for offering.
Avatar 11:10pm coelacanth∅:

Dean, Xenakis is a person. i don't know what he has to do with it! (seriously)
please rephrase, and tell me what emotion "stuff up the cracks" or "call any vegetable" elicits in you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm chresti:

We're in the PST while listening to the EST, I am starting to get sleepy..
Avatar 11:12pm coelacanth∅:

WR no i'm in upstate ny usually, ct right now
  11:16pm Dean:

I mean his works, in the way we refer to Beethoven but mean the symphonies, piano sonatas, etc. You know, metonymy. So, take for example Persepolis, which elicits wonder and awe and a degree of puzzlement that I enjoy. (Is being puzzled a purely intellectual condition? I don't think so.)

Some Zappa -- some, not all! -- elicits joy. As rock and roll, it hits all the happy rhythm spots, too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:17pm Sam Segal:

Gumbo Variations on Hot Rats does provoke ecstatic joy for me, I will say.
Avatar 11:17pm coelacanth∅:

...i guess i could make an analogy to languages...those that are considered "romantic" or "soft" and others. (not a liguist; don't know the terminology)
-like german, considered "hard" or not especially emotional. some asian languages also; whereas itaian or portuguese are considered to have more feeling.
putting the same point across, but in different manners.
Avatar 11:18pm Franco Twinkie:

I'll stick in my two cents, Coel. Stuff Up The Cracks might or might not be a comic tale of romantic disillusion, but the true heartbreak is expressed in the coda, with his wah-wah pedal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18pm WR:

Oh, sorry I presumed wrong coast coelacanth∅
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18pm Webhamster Henry:

Ahh WFMU fave Lea Bertucci!
Avatar 11:19pm coelacanth∅:

yes, being puzzles is purely intellectual. the enjoyment that comes from it is a secondary emotion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:19pm Sam Segal:

Webhamster Henry! Welcome to the Horse Zone!
Avatar 11:20pm coelacanth∅:

i feel Joy from lots of purely intellectual music. the joy is the result of awe, i think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm usually doing something else at this hour ... chasing after a horse or something.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:26pm WR:

Will continue to listen but busy doing dishes, feeding cat & emptying litter box and taking out garbage so you can chat about me without reply. Thank you for the sounds Sam. And feeling groovy. Good sounds and lotsa beer with dinner.
Avatar 11:26pm coelacanth∅:

Franco, i will listen to that. i listened to that album only once and did not enjoy it. i only used it as an example because of the reference to it before.
i love the whole absolutely free album though and the much of uncle meat. -and freak out; but then i only am interested in his *almost* free jazz stuff, like imaginary diseases...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm Sam Segal:

Thanks for being here, WR!
  11:28pm rw:

  11:28pm rw:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm Sam Segal:

How...dy, rw!
Avatar 11:29pm coelacanth∅:

(...i mean after uncle meat i think i may not like anything by the mothers. but probably some or even a lot of Zappa's non-mothers material)
Avatar 11:31pm coelacanth∅:

gnight WR

rw hell
Avatar 11:31pm coelacanth∅:

Avatar 11:34pm Franco Twinkie:

I suppose Cruising With Ruben And Jets shares a kinship with other parodies of doo-wop, but so much on it has an authentic and intuitive understanding of the r&b and street culture of Los Angeles that still resonates, but in evolved and mutated way.
Avatar 11:40pm Franco Twinkie:

Uncle Meat and Ruben And The Jets were recorded at the same time. While Cruising with is straight narrative, Uncle Meat is a fever dream with many of the same tropes. They are inseperable in my mind.
Avatar 11:40pm coelacanth∅:

the doo-wop parody is what i usually can't stand! to me it doesn't seem to have any emotion at all; it's just something you listen to, like a comedy skit.
but i admit that i may not be "getting" something because of the lack of familiar reference.
  11:43pm rw:

Hey coel! You had me there for a second.
Avatar 11:45pm Franco Twinkie:

RW. Does any of this clap-trap jibe with you?
Avatar 11:46pm coelacanth∅:

oh i think i may have read that, a couple years ago when i was trying to give the mothers another shot and listened to or tried to listen to the whole catalogue. i may have confused it with another album, probably burnt weenie sandwich
  11:47pm rw:

Hey Franco, I'm not familiar enough with the territory. I like Zappa okay but then he gets a little goofy and it spoils it for me.
  11:47pm rw:

But as a kid I DID enjoy the goofing.
Avatar 11:48pm northguineahills:

Thanks, Sam. Nice set as per usual.....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49pm Sam Segal:

Thank you, NGH. Glad to have you along, as always!
  11:49pm rw:

Mostly I wish he would shut up and play his guitar.
Avatar 11:51pm coelacanth∅:

i think i was considerably more serious as a child than i am now. (now that i know nothing matters)
when i first heard the mothers (absolutely free) i was about 7-8 and i thought it was juvenile and stupid!
(i liked the invocation and ritual dance of the young pumpkin though)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:51pm WR:

Ok ok, cat can wait. I think best to listen to Ruben & the Jets as tribute or neo doo wop, not parody. Sorta like Stravinsky neo romantic moments. There are some music form games Zappa does but mostly they are his and Ray Collins take on classic doo wop strophes. My 2 cents.
Avatar 11:52pm coelacanth∅:

it's true he was truly a fan of doo-wop.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:53pm chresti:

Heading to bed, thanks Sam and goodnight everyone.
Avatar 11:53pm Franco Twinkie:

Said Bikers lent me Burnt Weenie Sandwich when it first came out. The MOI cover of WPLJ by The Clovers, where they are swearing in Spanish sounded just like our next door neighbors, who were a bunch of pachuco low-life junkies. It drove my mom insane! But, my mom loved Cruising For Burgers from Uncle Meat. She was born and raised in East L.A.
Avatar 11:53pm coelacanth∅:

and WR you're underselling your input
Avatar 11:55pm coelacanth∅:

g'night chresti
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:55pm Sam Segal:

Night, Chresti!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:56pm Sam Segal:

I try not to get too political on here, but a lighthearted political meme for your consideration as we close out the night with the Blue Nile: pbs.twimg.com...
  11:57pm rw:

Sounds like Phil Collins! Thanks for the music Sam!
Avatar 11:58pm coelacanth∅:

haha Sam!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:58pm Sam Segal:

Hahaha, thank you, rw!
  11:58pm rw:

Good night kids! Sorry I didn't have much to add to the conversation!
Avatar 11:58pm Franco Twinkie:

Thanks Sam. I will never again rant like I did tonight.
  11:59pm rw:

FT, but you will!
  11:59pm rw:

And we love you for it!
Avatar 12:00am Franco Twinkie:

Avatar 12:00am coelacanth∅:

Excellent Sam Thanks! 'night everyone and take care

Franco you had better!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:00am WR:

Thank you, some how overlooked The Blue Nile before now. Laters all, rant on.
Avatar 12:01am coelacanth∅:

(i wont even imagine i wont rant again)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:01am Sam Segal:

I loved your Zappa material tonight, Franco!
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