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Favoriting June 3, 2020: Horses Flap Their Enormous Wings and Lift Off From the Backyard

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Artist Track Album Label Comments Approx. start time
DJ Screw  Come and Take a Ride (Instrumental)   Favoriting     Featuring the voices of Cornel West and Keeanga Yamahtta Taylor. Black Lives Matter. RIP George Floyd.   
DJ Screw  Freestyle (ft. Daryl & Big Floyd)   Favoriting Diary of the Originator - Chapter 319: Floyd & Screw '98  Screwed Up Records & Tapes  RIP George Floyd, aka "Big Floyd," featured on this track and the rest of the tracks in this set.  0:09:31 (Pop-up)
DJ Screw  Sittin' on Top of the World (ft. Chris Ward, AD, and Big Floyd)   Favoriting Diary of the Originator - Chapter 95: Sittin On Top The World  Screwed Up Records & Tapes    0:14:44 (Pop-up)
Presidential Playas  Chopped   Favoriting Block Party The Album (Chopped Up Skrewed Version)  Presidential    0:21:02 (Pop-up)
DJ Screw  Freestyle   Favoriting Diary of the Originator - Chapter 7: Ballin in the Mall  Screwed Up Records & Tapes    0:24:59 (Pop-up)
 
Big Youth  Dread Inna Babylon   Favoriting The Chanting Dread Inna Fine Style  Heartbeat    0:35:24 (Pop-up)
Dhaima  Don't Feel No Way   Favoriting Love Lives Forever  Numero    0:37:09 (Pop-up)
Charles Mingus  Remember Rockefeller at Attica   Favoriting Changes One  Atlantic    0:42:59 (Pop-up)
Greg Fox  From the Cessation of What   Favoriting Contact  RVNG Intl.    0:50:11 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis  Moja (Part II)   Favoriting Dark Magus  CBS-Sony    0:57:09 (Pop-up)
 
Claire Rousay  swipe - dice in santa fe - taxi ride   Favoriting A Heavenly Touch  Already Dead    1:17:52 (Pop-up)
Elysia Crampton  Homeless (Q'ara)   Favoriting Orcorara 2010  PAN    1:21:45 (Pop-up)
Eberhard Weber  No Motion Picture   Favoriting The Colours of Chloe  ECM    1:30:39 (Pop-up)
Kenny Wheeler  Past Present   Favoriting Angel Song  ECM    1:48:23 (Pop-up)
Okkyung Lee  another old story (옛날이야기)   Favoriting Yeo-Neun  Shelter Press    1:54:47 (Pop-up)
 


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WR:

Hold your horses there big fellow.
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fleep:

The vertical lift off horse is far superior the original flying horses that required a runway.
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Gary:

Whiii-iinnnyyyy!
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Sam Segal:

Welcome, Gary, Fleep, and WR!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:08pm
Gary:

This is yes
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fleep:

Listening to thoughtful articulate people, thank you
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10pm
Sam Segal:

Thank you to Democracy Now for those interviews.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:11pm
chresti:

Hi Sam and flapping horses in the yard!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:11pm
Sam Segal:

Howdy, Chresti!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 10:20pm
WR:

echo that fleep. I've given up on listening to media and spokes people talking heads but those two Sam, words worth hearing. Well, yes, Cornel West, Keeanga Yamahtta Taylor is new to me. Where did you grab those clips?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm
wmbogart:

Thanks for playing these, Sam. A tragic, monumental loss.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:22pm
Sam Segal:

@WR: Got them from this interview. Definitely worth listening to the whole thing if you get a chance. www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23pm
Sam Segal:

Glad you could be hear to pay tribute with us, @wmbogart.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:29pm
ParUbi:

Hey guys
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:38pm
Sam Segal:

ParUbi! Step right in.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:39pm
coelacanth∅:

greetings Sam & hoarse folk
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:40pm
doctorjazz:

Hi Horsemen!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:40pm
Sam Segal:

Welcome, Coel and Doc!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:41pm
chresti:

There was a 5.5 earthquake by Ridgecrest, a little while ago, an aftershock from last year's quake.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:42pm
coelacanth∅:

i've got somebody's pegasususeses here in my yard but i can't retain them forever
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:44pm
Ike:

"Abolish police" is pretty baffling to me. I realize police are often useless even when not malignant. But there have been some cases where they have been effective. As effective as they should be? Hell no. But the Newark PD recovered my stolen car once. I know, pretty small potatoes. Still, who would solve crimes? A new social-worker structure or what? Doesn't any replacement organization fall to power corrupting them? Do we end up with endless amateur sleuths like in all the shitty mystery books? Curious. No offense. (Definitely in favor of Black Lives Matter though.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:49pm
Sam Segal:

Haha, fair line of questioning, Ike. I think the idea of police abolition is that we gradually divest from police, jails, and prisons, and use that money to invest in social services, public infrastructure, and other resources that keep people safe without the involvement of the carceral state. It isn't something that can happen overnight, but I think there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that policing is not an effective strategy for reducing "crime." This interview, and the book "The End of Policing," which it references are good placed to learn more about the concept of police abolition. www.npr.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50pm
Sam Segal:

Also, in case you are curious to read that book, it is available as a free e-book right now: www.versobooks.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:55pm
wmbogart:

I would second that recommendation for Alex Vitale's book! Very readable and accessible case against policing. Proposals differ as to the combination of social programs that would be used to "replace" the police as an institution, but most can agree that the current conception of the police in this country needs to be abolished entirely.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:56pm
Sam Segal:

For instance, in a society that doesn't disproportionately invest its resources in police, prisons, and the military, we could provide everyone with housing, health care, education, food, and meaningful work. In that kind of society, I suspect that the incidence of car theft and other property crime would decrease significantly, thereby decreasing the need for a police force to investigate these crimes. This kind of dynamic would snowball over the course of time, leading to the eventual abolition of policing as we know it.
  10:56pm
Chris Farrell:

I hopped the brown Pickett fence into the yard but the horse was already gone, much like me shortly due to studying but Peace and Love to all (except That One Guy, wherever and whomever That One Guy may be lol A play on the musician That One Guy and the irony of the times we live in)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:58pm
Sam Segal:

Peace and love, Chris!
  10:58pm
Chris Farrell:

That chat looks lively, might scroll through later and check it out. Who I am kidding of course I’m going to do that! Lol..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
Ike:

Thanks, that's a fascinating article, but Vitale does say, point blank, "I'm certainly not talking about any kind of scenario where tomorrow someone just flips a switch and there are no police. What I'm talking about is the systematic questioning of the specific roles that police currently undertake, and attempting to develop evidence-based alternatives so that we can dial back our reliance on them." And that is a GREAT idea and I'm all in favor of it, but it doesn't sound much like "abolishing the police" to me, and I'm too cynical to imagine that our viciously capitalist society will ever do anything that would reduce inequality enough to put a stop to, say, car theft. :( But thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
Sam Segal:

Yeah, the great thing about the Vitale book is how straightforwardly its written. He is a serious social scientist, and everything he advocates for is evidence-based.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:59pm
coelacanth∅:

people wasting time and energy is why almost nothing ever gets done and most progressive change reverts.
...just as "black lives matter" is a waste of time. the whole nature (protocol?) of law enforcement in the us is based on aggression, corruption, revenue, ulterior motives, etc. if that were fixed the bigotry would be fixed with it.
...it's not like black folks are the only ones being oppressed. EVERYONE is oppressed by cops, even people who think it's worth it. "black lives matter" is just one more thing to segregate people so they're weaker against the real enemy.
...add to that that it takes strength AWAY from blacks merely by the phrasing. it implies helplessness.

abolishing the police here will not happen. ever. the only chance there is for decency is to raise the standards of human being that is allowed to be a cop.
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coelacanth∅:

...unless the whole structure of the power in the us changes, that is.
and that's very unlikely to happen too.
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Sam Segal:

@Ike, regardless of the timeline, I think its still important to be clear about your goals. The rallying cry of "Abolish the Police" reminds organizers that they are working toward building a future without police. It helps us understand what kinds of short-term police reforms are worth pursuing and which ones are not.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm
coelacanth∅:

there's obscene money being made by people in the law enforcement/prison system.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:05pm
Sam Segal:

In terms of the feasibility, I would also just add that over the past couple of days, multiple City Council members in NYC have committed to voting for a major cut the NYPD's budget in Fiscal Year 2021, so that funding can be invested in the social services that are on the chopping block due to COVID. Before these protests started, none of those City Council members would have considered advocating for budget cuts to the NYPD. These protests are radically and rapidly expanding our political horizons.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:06pm
coelacanth∅:

okay. something needs to be done about the feds.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm
chresti:

The same was proposed in LA.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:10pm
Sam Segal:

@Coel, I agree with some of what you are saying. I do not think Black Lives Matter is a needlessly divisive slogan. Racism is one of the fundamental ideological tools that the ruling class uses to maintain capitalist exploitation. Capital needs a large pool of excess labor capacity in order to keep wages down and prevent workers from organizing. Racism is one of the key strategies for maintaining a large pool of unemployed workers. To dismantle capitalism, we need to confront systems of racial exploitation like policing at the same time.
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wmbogart:

I can't say I understand what you're saying, coelacantho. I don't see how it's arguable that oppression and policing are heavily informed by race and class. Certainly there are degrees of oppression that can be easily recognized. It sounds like we can agree that there is no justification for the carceral state (either morally or fiscally, based on your comment), but I think it is flippant to disregard the specific but repeated experience of people of color in this country that are put at a massive disadvantage (if not outright killed) by policing, hiring biases, redlining, etc, to say nothing of the differences in familial wealth. Understanding those systemic disadvantages and how they operate in the larger hierarchal economic structure helps in understanding the extent of the problem and ideally sparks a recognition of the urgency of the need for change, so I don't see how it "segregates people" in the slightest.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:16pm
coelacanth∅:

i agree with all of that Sam.
so i'm not sure where we disagree!
...i never said people should not be protesting; i just think it's a divisive slogan and something broader, like "no police bigotry" would help the people of different "colors" come together -and fight together.
(but of course "no police bigotry" isn't very catchy)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:16pm
coelacanth∅:

(and people would have to be schooled as to what "bigotry" means)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:19pm
Sam Segal:

I'm all for having an array of slogans! Plenty of room for various slogans in this movement. Black Lives Matter is a good one, but other, broader slogans are welcome.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20pm
Sam Segal:

Very well said, though, @wmbogart. I am in total agreement.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:23pm
coelacanth∅:

wmbogart nothing disregarded
and nothing flippant. no justification for you saying that. there's a fair chance i've put many more years' worth of thought into this subject than you have.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:25pm
coelacanth∅:

no reason to imply i don't understand something, just because you cannot understand me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:26pm
Franco Twinkie:

As the world around us is in a state of torment and sorrow tonight, Chresti and I are arguing about my disregard for the kitchen sponge. Is this symptomatic of the general malaise and entropy of Americans in general, or are we just a couple of old people who spent to much time in the house?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:27pm
coelacanth∅:

i don't like sponges, so i'm biased.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm
Franco Twinkie:

I knew it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm
Sam Segal:

Sounds like a fight me and my girlfriend would have, Franco. Clearly this emblematic of a broader phenomenon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm
wmbogart:

Likewise Sam! And @coel I don't intend to disregard what you are saying at all, and I apologize that I wrote that in the way I did. Your perspective is valuable as well of course. I'm on edge a bit with everything going on locally and in the world but I do not in any way intend to disrespect you. In any case I'm heartened that people here and elsewhere are agreeing more and more that a change is urgently necessary. Disagreements on how to go about making that change and what it should look like are a good start on the road to a better tomorrow for all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:30pm
Sam Segal:

Hear hear, @wmbogart! Same on my part, @Coel. Definitely respect your opinion, and I am honored to have you share it in this forum.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:30pm
coelacanth∅:

cool. Thank you wmbogart.
we are on the same team of course!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:34pm
coelacanth∅:

...hey i know i have unpopular approaches to ideas.
at the very least unpopular ways of phrasing them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:35pm
wmbogart:

Of course, we're on the same team, sorry again for coming in a little hot there. Thanks to everyone sharing perspectives, and to Sam for playing Elysia Crampton (my favorite album this year, I think!). I'll bow out and return to my typical quiet listening but I appreciate everyone here (and WFMU!)
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:36pm
WR:

Playlist commentor Dean shared this link recently:
nonsite.org...

I initially wondered why the push back against blacklivesmatter but towards the end began to recall others decades ago who said that need to move beyond Black power movement to understanding it is a class war, a capitalist class / caste system that is dominant and while I am not advocate of bureaucratic centralised socialism I care even less for the unbridled capitalism we have in the USA. The current police forces role is as much to enforce that dominating clique as it is to provide for the public safety. Their role and make up would evolve if we have an actual informed democracy.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:38pm
WR:

I always defer to my partner regarding the kitchen sponge. Always.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:39pm
Franco Twinkie:

WR, can we go off topic for a moment?
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:39pm
WR:

And i see at 11:10 Sam you focus on similar thoughts to mine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41pm
coelacanth∅:

i did bookmark that one but haven't gotten to it. i've bookmarked so many links from these comment boards but trying to get some other things done here and only have read <1/2 of it.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:41pm
WR:

Franco, sure. Seems to me wherever I go I turn and you are there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:42pm
coelacanth∅:

wmbogart if your leaving have a good night and stay strong!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:43pm
coelacanth∅:

Franco is sensitive when we're on the topic of sponges.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:45pm
WR:

Just trying to catch up as I prepare to see if my taking recycle and garbage to the corner, after curfew and without a mask on will result in my being taken fown by the man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:45pm
Franco Twinkie:

True that,WR. My questions are regarding something you said last night: Where did you see the Thirteenth Floor Elevators, and what was your perception of them at the time?
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:47pm
WR:

I'm thinking I am safe since I can pull both the white privilege and senior citizen card. Also I always say yahsuh when addressed by an officer of the law.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:48pm
Sam Segal:

Thanks, WR. I will definitely have to check out that Adolph Reed article. His writing is always provocative (in a good way). I certainly agree that the police state exists to enforce the dominance of the ruling class, which leads to the oppression of all proletarians regardless of race. Still, it does seem empirically clear to me that police violence disproportionately targets people of color. Discovering why this disproportionality exists and what purpose it serves is important, I think. But I should read that Reed!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Sam and horse whisperers.
My sign at the big march in Kingston today said
"Who benefits from institutional Racism? Follow the money."
Racism is a tool of oppression - just one of many.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:50pm
Sam Segal:

Very well put, Webhamster Henry! Probably a much more succinct way of saying what I've been trying to say all night.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:50pm
coelacanth∅:

i wonder if sometimes it's because they know they will get away with it much of the time -and the real bigotry is at the judicial level.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:51pm
WR:

Saw them in Houston in 1966 in a grocery store front converted into an all ages music venue, La Maison. I was 15 years old. I loved them. I could not find their records in store but had several songs seared to memory. I knew I could never sing like Roky but tried for many years to play jug like Tommy Hall.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:52pm
Franco Twinkie:

Thank you.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:55pm
WR:

I have since listened to so many recordings that it is hard to recapture exactly what I heard that night, but to be corny, seeing them was certainly elevating for me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:56pm
Franco Twinkie:

Okay, we can continue this topic at a less emotional time.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:56pm
Granny Spicy Tuna (e/em):

hello, Sam and WFMU folx. I like these sounds…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:57pm
Franco Twinkie:

Granny! Thing cool down on the hill?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:58pm
Sam Segal:

Granny! Nice to have you aboard briefly.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:59pm
WR:

When I saw the Elevators I had seen The Beatles (Oct. 65) and the Rolling Stones (I think early Oct. 65). Both those in big arena and enjoyable but Elevators in a club with a few hundred people. Wow.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:59pm
Granny Spicy Tuna (e/em):

Franco: a bit—not enough for my tastes, though!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 12:00am
Granny Spicy Tuna (e/em):

Sam: better late than never. Finally wrenched myself away from the Zooms! OY!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:00am
coelacanth∅:

i wanted to hear about that 'elevators experience as well. Thanks.
...again, envious!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:01am
Franco Twinkie:

Sorry to throw spitballs in class, Sam. But this is the only topic now,right? Nothing was resolved I'm sorry to say. Thanks for hosting the forum.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:02am
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Sam! please be careful everyone and stay strong.
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 12:02am
WR:

Oh, damn, Sam, we're there already. Will let y'all know later if any mishap taking refuse to the curb. Thank you Sam, laters all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:02am
Sam Segal:

Never apologize, Franco!
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 12:02am
Granny Spicy Tuna (e/em):

Thank you, everyone, see you around the bend…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:04am
chresti:

Thanks Sam!

Issue with scrubber sponge is he puts it scrubber side down, then it dries and gets stuck to the surface.
  12:08pm
JakeGould:

Hey Sam! Didn’t listen last night, but saw this playlist and want to thank you for clearly explaining so much here. Kudos to you and yours!
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