WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 14, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtsthetes!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Architecontics! I got home just in time. Happy to be here with you all.
	6:01pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Evening Mark. Ultradamno! Handy!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ultradamno! You're always at the best parties. Hey, DiL "After Dark"!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicshifts!
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and the Tech Tones!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonoffs!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and techtorabbits in the Tinfoil Studio.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Studio Blind Spot (as in from surveillance)?
	6:04pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy, DiL!
	6:04pm Ike: Good evening!
	6:04pm Ike: BTW the images on your playlist are always ON POINT.
	6:05pm Michael 98145: The left coast currently IS a vision of Hell
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: cough thanks Mark!
	6:05pm brainiac: I just saw The Social Dilemma last night, and I can't recommend highly enough.
	6:06pm brainiac: By that I mean I highly recommend it.
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Well, I assume not all of them were there. RIP.
	6:09pm Sonderangebot: Hey Mark, nice to hear you live. That documentary was good, but I already learned so much listening to your show!
	6:13pm ultradamno: I just saw a piece about Latinx voters in Florida being targeted with conspiracy/QAnon misinformation.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Shut it down!
	6:13pm David in London: Nurse, sedative for Mr Hurst, please.
	6:13pm brainiac: Shut it down!
	🤖 6:14pm chresti: Hi Sonder! I like your avatar.
	6:17pm Sonderangebot: Hi chresti, thank you, hope you are doing OK on your side of the continent.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: I guess it might not be right vs. left, but it is capital vs. the rest of us. Not in our name. Shut it down!
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Keynesianism worked in the past... I bet that theory could work again...
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Warm Greetings Ya’ll!
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: Hi all! Thanks for joining! @DiL pls revise, send caffeine instead
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @Sonderangebot thanks!
	🤖 6:20pm chresti: Thanks Sonder, went to work today in Griffith Park, where the AQI is a little better than where we live in San Gabriel.
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: @Ike thanks! always enjoy picking out the playlist images.
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: A "B" company
	6:26pm cyrusblazeit420: Just tuning in. I met Steve when I was in Boston in summer of 2011! I think he told me I should drop out of highschool, haha. I didn’t take his advice, ended up going to college, and years later realized he had a point.
	6:27pm dk50b: When it comes to improving your business acumen the only thing that pops in my head to try sharpening stones and walking on coals
	6:30pm spodiodi: hi Mark and everybody!
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Enemy sighted, enemy met, dk50b.
	6:30pm brainiac: I've had that Industrial Worker poster up on my wall for the last 17 years. Hi spodi
	6:30pm Sam: Such an awesome idea for a game!
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @spodiodi welcome!
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1920: Socrates has “a point of view”
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: I see you through the haze, spod!
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: The person hours that the nonprofit where I work spends on Facebook, Instag, Twiter -- pretty much talking only to the social media staffs at other nonprofits in our industry ... well, capital either eats us or eats for us, right?
	6:35pm David in London: Hi spodiodi.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: Excellent point. Computers do what they are told. Facebook works exactly as its officers have directed it to work.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: "System is working as designed"
	6:41pm kevlicki: Hi mark, Steve and all!
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @kev hi!
	6:42pm listener james from westwood: Don't mention Shkreli during the dinner hour!
	6:42pm David in London: Kind of like the ‘entrepreneurship’ of some of the tech zillionaire. First invent the internet... (Mariana Mazzucato etc.)
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: What a radical concept: delivering one's people from a plague because they are literally the content of your system. I wonder if such wildness could ever catch on. "It' sick -- the price of medicine." -- OLD-school Psychedelic Furs!
	6:43pm spodiodi: i agree with james (i erased what i'd typed, partly because it included that name at all)
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: Hi spodi!
	6:44pm kevlicki: Great to hear Steve on here. I know him from the activist art world
	6:44pm P-90: This “high prices finance new drugs” story capitalizes ruthlessly on the lack of understanding by the public that most of this research is done at universities.
	6:44pm a5vzener: I'm a believer in capitalism, because it's only real way to get stuff out of a lab and into the public's hands. But I believe we should extract more from our capitalists in the way of taxes, in large part to help people afford drugs, etc.
	6:44pm P-90: I’ve been fuming about this for years...
	6:45pm kevlicki: Mark, you should swing by the 79th st Greenmarket some future Sunday. I’m behind the wood Thrush Farm stand every week
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: And researchers at universities spend thousands of hours a year securing and securing the renewal of federal funding for that research. So, again, we've paid for it.
	6:45pm spodiodi: and thanks, Mark! and brainiac, Handy, David in London, chresti! good to see you all. and hello, kevlicki!
	6:45pm P-90: Relying on capitalism “to get drugs out of the lab” is the WORST way to do it.
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @kev thx, would like that!
	6:46pm dk50b: @Handy Haversack songs of that era decrying our drift towards fascism seem so quaint now
	6:46pm kevlicki: A5enezerdefine please define “capitalism”,
	6:48pm brainiac: Healthcare run as a business instead of a service puts profit above people EVERY TIME.
	6:48pm a5vzener: capitalism = private (non-governmental) ownership of the means of production, essentially.
	6:48pm Mark Hurst: The five prior capitalism-focused interviews I mentioned at the top of the show all have varying definitions, different opinions about the ideal system etc. etc., but all are united on the basic diagnosis that our current Big Tech-driven system must change.
	6:49pm a5vzener: But also believe that healthcare should not be primarily private. I live in Canada and I like our system up here.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: R.E.M. was trying at least, dk50b! brainiac: and that's bad, right? Because it sounds bad.
	6:50pm Sam: This guest has a really sexy voice
	6:50pm brainiac: It's as bad as bad can be, Handyman.
	6:52pm P-90: For a long time I’ve argued that one of the strongest arguments for the adoption of universal healthcare is the negotiating power a government healthcare administration would have: “We’re purchasing X-billion units of this drug or surgical tool. We’re not the only game in town but by far the biggest. Now: who’s got the most competitive bid for our order?”
	6:52pm a5vzener: All I'm missing in my life is Dolly Parton.
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: Glistener Knormalish pointed out how many problems would likely be solved if we could get Dolly Parton to want to be president.
	6:52pm northguineahills: nice! thanks Mark and Steve!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: P-90, I wonder if there are other problems of capitalism that could be solved by socialism. Maybe a private company will research that! Today's ep. was like coming home, Mark! Thanks so much for it. Thanks, Steve Lambert. Be well, Techyon Particles. Sure was good to be here with youse.
	6:55pm spodiodi: Thanks, Mark and Steve!
	6:55pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Good night all.
	6:56pm spodiodi: good night, David!
	6:57pm a5vzener: @P-90 You're right. Big government negotiation is the key. When I was in journalism school (early 90s) I did a story about the cost of one of those morning-after pills. The cost for one in France was about 10 bucks, versus more than 100 in NYC. Vive le gouvernement!
	6:57pm kevlicki: A5vzener agreed that state control doesn’t represent my ideal. I’d argue for more “democracy” in the workplace and more owners of the means of production. Historically it appears that capitalism constantly attempts to reduce those factors, while privatize what is shared commonly and extract it for the benefit of fewer folks
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Ha, awesome, Mark! I'll tell Knormalish you quoted her on WAB tomorrow! 'Night, David!
	6:57pm P-90: Dolly’s much too smart to get involved in such a foolish enterprise...
	6:57pm ultradamno: How many Mr. sodas are there...aside from Pibb?
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Sam: Netflix is evil though, right?
	6:58pm kevlicki: Stay healthy and well everyone
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: The one true Mr., ultradamno.
	6:58pm spodiodi: none, ultra, afaik. one of my old monikers
	6:58pm Sonderangebot: The heavy cost of the healthcare system could be lightened if consumerist culture fueled by capitalism (hyper processed food; pollution; lack of physical activity; poverty; dependency on petrol) calmed down
	6:58pm ultradamno: Señor Cola?
	6:58pm brainiac: Keep fighting the good fight, Mark. Good night all.
	6:58pm a5vzener: Thanks, Mark. great show!
	6:59pm P-90: Bravo, Mark.
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for tuning in! Appreciate all your good comments & your encouragement this evening.
	6:59pm dk50b: Handy nothing against politically conscious artists, more that no one, myself included, imagined how low we'd sink
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Heard, dk50b,
	🤖 7:10pm chresti: Thanks Mark! I was in the shower, gold star for Dolly!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 14, 2020

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September 14, 2020: Steve Lambert, artist and activist

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Tonight: Steve Lambert, artist and activist

Pointers:

• Why Facebook is a Waste of Time – and Money – for Arts Nonprofits, by Steve Lambert (ArtNet op-ed, Feb 2018)

• @SteveLambert (Twitter)

• VisitSteve.com (Steve's website)

• The Center for Artistic Activism

• FreeTheVaccine.org, including "Vaccine," the Covid-19 Dolly Parton "Jolene" Parody

• Steve Lambert's 404 Page Video, explained in The Most Awkward '404 Not Found' Page on the Internet

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtsthetes!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Architecontics! I got home just in time. Happy to be here with you all.
	6:01pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Evening Mark. Ultradamno! Handy!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ultradamno! You're always at the best parties. Hey, DiL "After Dark"!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicshifts!
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and the Tech Tones!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonoffs!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and techtorabbits in the Tinfoil Studio.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Studio Blind Spot (as in from surveillance)?
	6:04pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy, DiL!
	6:04pm Ike: Good evening!
	6:04pm Ike: BTW the images on your playlist are always ON POINT.
	6:05pm Michael 98145: The left coast currently IS a vision of Hell
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: cough thanks Mark!
	6:05pm brainiac: I just saw The Social Dilemma last night, and I can't recommend highly enough.
	6:06pm brainiac: By that I mean I highly recommend it.
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Well, I assume not all of them were there. RIP.
	6:09pm Sonderangebot: Hey Mark, nice to hear you live. That documentary was good, but I already learned so much listening to your show!
	6:13pm ultradamno: I just saw a piece about Latinx voters in Florida being targeted with conspiracy/QAnon misinformation.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Shut it down!
	6:13pm David in London: Nurse, sedative for Mr Hurst, please.
	6:13pm brainiac: Shut it down!
	🤖 6:14pm chresti: Hi Sonder! I like your avatar.
	6:17pm Sonderangebot: Hi chresti, thank you, hope you are doing OK on your side of the continent.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: I guess it might not be right vs. left, but it is capital vs. the rest of us. Not in our name. Shut it down!
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Keynesianism worked in the past... I bet that theory could work again...
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Warm Greetings Ya’ll!
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: Hi all! Thanks for joining! @DiL pls revise, send caffeine instead
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @Sonderangebot thanks!
	🤖 6:20pm chresti: Thanks Sonder, went to work today in Griffith Park, where the AQI is a little better than where we live in San Gabriel.
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: @Ike thanks! always enjoy picking out the playlist images.
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: A "B" company
	6:26pm cyrusblazeit420: Just tuning in. I met Steve when I was in Boston in summer of 2011! I think he told me I should drop out of highschool, haha. I didn’t take his advice, ended up going to college, and years later realized he had a point.
	6:27pm dk50b: When it comes to improving your business acumen the only thing that pops in my head to try sharpening stones and walking on coals
	6:30pm spodiodi: hi Mark and everybody!
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Enemy sighted, enemy met, dk50b.
	6:30pm brainiac: I've had that Industrial Worker poster up on my wall for the last 17 years. Hi spodi
	6:30pm Sam: Such an awesome idea for a game!
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @spodiodi welcome!
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1920: Socrates has “a point of view”
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: I see you through the haze, spod!
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: The person hours that the nonprofit where I work spends on Facebook, Instag, Twiter -- pretty much talking only to the social media staffs at other nonprofits in our industry ... well, capital either eats us or eats for us, right?
	6:35pm David in London: Hi spodiodi.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: Excellent point. Computers do what they are told. Facebook works exactly as its officers have directed it to work.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: "System is working as designed"
	6:41pm kevlicki: Hi mark, Steve and all!
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @kev hi!
	6:42pm listener james from westwood: Don't mention Shkreli during the dinner hour!
	6:42pm David in London: Kind of like the ‘entrepreneurship’ of some of the tech zillionaire. First invent the internet... (Mariana Mazzucato etc.)
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: What a radical concept: delivering one's people from a plague because they are literally the content of your system. I wonder if such wildness could ever catch on. "It' sick -- the price of medicine." -- OLD-school Psychedelic Furs!
	6:43pm spodiodi: i agree with james (i erased what i'd typed, partly because it included that name at all)
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: Hi spodi!
	6:44pm kevlicki: Great to hear Steve on here. I know him from the activist art world
	6:44pm P-90: This “high prices finance new drugs” story capitalizes ruthlessly on the lack of understanding by the public that most of this research is done at universities.
	6:44pm a5vzener: I'm a believer in capitalism, because it's only real way to get stuff out of a lab and into the public's hands. But I believe we should extract more from our capitalists in the way of taxes, in large part to help people afford drugs, etc.
	6:44pm P-90: I’ve been fuming about this for years...
	6:45pm kevlicki: Mark, you should swing by the 79th st Greenmarket some future Sunday. I’m behind the wood Thrush Farm stand every week
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: And researchers at universities spend thousands of hours a year securing and securing the renewal of federal funding for that research. So, again, we've paid for it.
	6:45pm spodiodi: and thanks, Mark! and brainiac, Handy, David in London, chresti! good to see you all. and hello, kevlicki!
	6:45pm P-90: Relying on capitalism “to get drugs out of the lab” is the WORST way to do it.
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @kev thx, would like that!
	6:46pm dk50b: @Handy Haversack songs of that era decrying our drift towards fascism seem so quaint now
	6:46pm kevlicki: A5enezerdefine please define “capitalism”,
	6:48pm brainiac: Healthcare run as a business instead of a service puts profit above people EVERY TIME.
	6:48pm a5vzener: capitalism = private (non-governmental) ownership of the means of production, essentially.
	6:48pm Mark Hurst: The five prior capitalism-focused interviews I mentioned at the top of the show all have varying definitions, different opinions about the ideal system etc. etc., but all are united on the basic diagnosis that our current Big Tech-driven system must change.
	6:49pm a5vzener: But also believe that healthcare should not be primarily private. I live in Canada and I like our system up here.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: R.E.M. was trying at least, dk50b! brainiac: and that's bad, right? Because it sounds bad.
	6:50pm Sam: This guest has a really sexy voice
	6:50pm brainiac: It's as bad as bad can be, Handyman.
	6:52pm P-90: For a long time I’ve argued that one of the strongest arguments for the adoption of universal healthcare is the negotiating power a government healthcare administration would have: “We’re purchasing X-billion units of this drug or surgical tool. We’re not the only game in town but by far the biggest. Now: who’s got the most competitive bid for our order?”
	6:52pm a5vzener: All I'm missing in my life is Dolly Parton.
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: Glistener Knormalish pointed out how many problems would likely be solved if we could get Dolly Parton to want to be president.
	6:52pm northguineahills: nice! thanks Mark and Steve!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: P-90, I wonder if there are other problems of capitalism that could be solved by socialism. Maybe a private company will research that! Today's ep. was like coming home, Mark! Thanks so much for it. Thanks, Steve Lambert. Be well, Techyon Particles. Sure was good to be here with youse.
	6:55pm spodiodi: Thanks, Mark and Steve!
	6:55pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Good night all.
	6:56pm spodiodi: good night, David!
	6:57pm a5vzener: @P-90 You're right. Big government negotiation is the key. When I was in journalism school (early 90s) I did a story about the cost of one of those morning-after pills. The cost for one in France was about 10 bucks, versus more than 100 in NYC. Vive le gouvernement!
	6:57pm kevlicki: A5vzener agreed that state control doesn’t represent my ideal. I’d argue for more “democracy” in the workplace and more owners of the means of production. Historically it appears that capitalism constantly attempts to reduce those factors, while privatize what is shared commonly and extract it for the benefit of fewer folks
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Ha, awesome, Mark! I'll tell Knormalish you quoted her on WAB tomorrow! 'Night, David!
	6:57pm P-90: Dolly’s much too smart to get involved in such a foolish enterprise...
	6:57pm ultradamno: How many Mr. sodas are there...aside from Pibb?
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Sam: Netflix is evil though, right?
	6:58pm kevlicki: Stay healthy and well everyone
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: The one true Mr., ultradamno.
	6:58pm spodiodi: none, ultra, afaik. one of my old monikers
	6:58pm Sonderangebot: The heavy cost of the healthcare system could be lightened if consumerist culture fueled by capitalism (hyper processed food; pollution; lack of physical activity; poverty; dependency on petrol) calmed down
	6:58pm ultradamno: Señor Cola?
	6:58pm brainiac: Keep fighting the good fight, Mark. Good night all.
	6:58pm a5vzener: Thanks, Mark. great show!
	6:59pm P-90: Bravo, Mark.
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for tuning in! Appreciate all your good comments & your encouragement this evening.
	6:59pm dk50b: Handy nothing against politically conscious artists, more that no one, myself included, imagined how low we'd sink
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Heard, dk50b,
	🤖 7:10pm chresti: Thanks Mark! I was in the shower, gold star for Dolly!

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