WFMU: Dark Night of the Soul with Julie: Playlist from November 10, 2020

Listener comments!
	🦇 3:00pm Handy Haversack: Julie and the Ensouled! Hi, everyone!
	🦇 3:00pm Julie: hi hi Handy!
	3:00pm spodiodi: hi Julie and everyone! glad to be listening
	🦇 3:01pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Julie and all!
	🦇 3:02pm Julie: hi ya spodi and james!
	3:03pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Hello all
	🦇 3:03pm Julie: hi Sylvia!
	3:04pm Mr. Nobody: Hey All!
	3:04pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @Handy THANK YOU btw
	🦇 3:05pm Julie: heya Mr Nobody!
	3:05pm sim: Hi, Julie! Great track!
	🦇 3:06pm Julie: hiya sim!
	3:08pm northguineahills: Listening from a parking lot....
	🦇 3:09pm chris: hey, Julie and folks. hope you are all well. can't comment much these days cuz wurk stuff. wanted to say, hi to all, though. cheers and all best to youses.
	🦇 3:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, Dark Night of the Soul ... Nebula? apod.nasa.gov... Had not heard of that until today.
	🦇 3:09pm Handy Haversack: @Sylvia, no, thank YOU. We both really dig that album. Hi, chris, always good to see you!
	🦇 3:09pm Julie: hiya Chris...thanks for checking in. Hiya NGH! Hey Ken! ooh I will check that out when I have a moment thank you
	3:11pm sim: Ohhh, ear magic!
	🦇 3:12pm Handy Haversack: Ken know a lot about space for someone who claims to be from earth ... are we sure there isn't another Hyde Park -- OUT THERE?
	3:12pm βrian: @NGH: You always bring that aura of adventure! It's kind of gloomy in Madison right now.
	🦇 3:13pm Julie: hi Brian!
	3:13pm βrian: Hola.
	3:13pm WR: The crowd clapping to Tuesday Afternoon would have been a total buzz kill if I was there. Maybe.
	3:15pm sim: @WR. It's about being a part of it. But many audiences are horrible for keeping time.
	3:16pm βrian: As sage as she is, rosemary can't keep thyme.
	3:17pm sim: @brian. groan
	3:17pm Honeybear: That crowd sounded "engineered-in" to my ears - hence the buzz kill? but who knows
	3:17pm βrian: (I'm working on my dad-joke merit badge.)
	🦇 3:17pm Julie: hiya Honeybear!
	3:18pm WR: Worse buzz kill, my manager called and said forget lunch, customer has issue. Join the zoom. Laters folks.
	🦇 3:20pm Julie: awww bye WR sorry!
	3:21pm sim: @WR. See you some other Tuesday Afternoon
	🦇 3:23pm Handy Haversack: Justin Hayward looks like he could appreciate a solid dad joke, βrian.
	3:23pm Honeybear: @julie - been deprived of (realtime) access to your show for far too long, due to lack of regular internet access. happy to have fixed that!
	🦇 3:24pm Julie: great news honeybear!
	🦇 3:27pm Handy Haversack: Julie, after you played Drivin' N Cryin' by my request, I idly wondered whether I had missed any DNC releases over the years. Which was quickly followed by "DNC has a website? DNC has a webstore?!" and then a large envelope making its way north. Both T-shirt and beer koozie are Waffle House-themed, so I consider this a win on every front.
	🦇 3:28pm Julie: haha that's always fun finding that kinda stuff
	3:32pm northguineahills: Sold the backend of my Rs of my Recs, got $200 so far. Will put a link in my profile when things are more stable (trying to decide w/ my friend via FaceTime is taking forever.
	3:35pm northguineahills: Peter Schilling reminds me Deutschland 89 is on again (sequel to 86 and 83) on Sundance. (Major Tom is the theme song)
	3:37pm johnzo: Justin Beiber's dead?
	3:37pm johnzo: sorry misheard that. my b
	🦇 3:39pm Handy Haversack: Huh, ngh, I didn't even realize there was an 86! Thanks for the tip.
	🦇 3:40pm Julie: wait, what even is that?
	🦇 3:45pm Handy Haversack: A Cold War espionage thriller TV show set in Germany, Julie.
	🦇 3:46pm Julie: oooh that sounds fun
	3:49pm Honeybear: repose en paix, france
	3:50pm dreamyandseedy: I have a suggestion for a bonus hour, I was thinking about Sheila B's special where she played music released by women when they were over 50. It would be interesting to hear something like that with your taste in music! Wouldn't have to be only women, obv whatever you want :)
	🦇 3:51pm Julie: hmm that's an interesting idea dreamy, thanks!
	🦇 3:52pm Handy Haversack: I had a much lamer idea: songs about clothes.
	🦇 3:53pm Julie: oooh handy I kinda love that though
	3:54pm dreamyandseedy: i also still want songs where there is humming, lol more difficult perhaps
	🦇 3:55pm Julie: yeah that's a tricky one..I may just have to start noting down when it turns up in a song and gather stuff for a long period
	3:58pm Dean: Humming or whistling or inarticulate sounds (as in every other Katy Perry tune)
	3:58pm dreamyandseedy: hahaha i know it's an annoying request, sorry ;) i just always notice humming and i like it i hope you decided to do a 1970 show! that will be amazing
	🦇 3:59pm Julie: Dean or early Cocteau Twins.
	🦇 3:59pm Julie: yes that's gonna be fun!
	4:04pm northguineahills: I have jalapeños, but no knife to put them on my sandwich. I know, I’ll take a bite of the jalapeño then one out of the sandwich!
	🦇 4:04pm Julie: yum!
	4:04pm Honeybear: Obligatory mention: every episode of Deutschland 83-89 had a custom playlist -- and the playlist for episode 2 of Deutschland 83 ("Brave Guy") was mixed by none other than WFMU Generalsekretär Ken Freedman
	4:05pm northguineahills: If you like 80s Berlin culture, you’d like the Deutschland series.....
	4:05pm Honeybear: (and is supposedly available on spotify somewhere, for what that may be with)
	🦇 4:06pm Handy Haversack: I had no idea, Honeybear! Dag! Thanks.
	4:06pm Mark R: Love this Low album!
	🦇 4:08pm Julie: hiya Mark! good to see ya
	4:08pm Honeybear: neither did I; nor did I have any knoweldge of the (apparently must-see) 83-89 series until a few minutes ago (which is what happens when one watches next to no television for 30 years)
	4:23pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: A good Dark Night to you all.
	🦇 4:24pm Julie: heya Cha Cha!
	4:25pm βrian: "Celibate!"
	🦇 4:26pm Julie: Incel theme song?
	4:27pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Julie, special thanks for playing that Low track - and before that one, that mighty Legendary Pink Dots track. That. Was. A W E S O M E.
	🦇 4:28pm Julie: glad you liked them! I've heard about Low for years but never really listened to them.
	🦇 4:28pm Handy Haversack: Hey there, Photocopy Cha Cha!
	4:30pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:28 Handy Haversack: Good afternoon Handy, how are you doing? Did you have a proper (well, within COVID-19 restrictions) "Bye Trump" party the past weekend?
	4:31pm Honeybear: In NYC it was easy to celebrate - the whole city (Manhattan anyway) was basically one big party
	🦇 4:31pm Handy Haversack: I was pretty much confined to quarters, Cha Cha, but Kate was on her way to run a people's theater group in a park when the race was called, and that park turned into a giant party. Very little people's theater was accomplished, but there's always next week.
	🦇 4:32pm Julie: Not as much down here. There was a short burst then nothing. I stayed in but it was fun watching the videos.
	4:32pm Honeybear: (I do exaggerate there - but only slightly)
	4:34pm northguineahills: I was in a rest area when the Biden announcement was made. Then I went that night to my bros. Who voted for Trump. So, no celebration por moi. But I did drive 150 miles and sleep in parking lots, but FL still failed us. At least minimum wage is being raised.
	4:35pm northguineahills: TMBGs!
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: good for you NGH!
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: I think this might be the first time I've played them!
	4:35pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:28 Julie: While I have seen both LPD and Low live (the latter twice as it happens) I am ashamed to say I have no (physical) releases from either fine group. I am considering whether to send some monsky to both, come next bandcamp friday, Legendary Pink Dots at least have a lot of albums out there.
	4:36pm northguineahills: (I always vote no matter the obstacles).
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: the guitar on this is HOT, not what I expected from them
	4:36pm Honeybear: @ngh - has your brother "accepted" the outcome yet?
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: LPD has a million releases for sure
	4:38pm Honeybear: A downside to living in NYC (and in decidely blue areas otherwise - when living in the U.S. least) is that I don't actually know any "trump people"
	4:38pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:31 Handy Haversack: even if I am a rather pessimistic person, thanks to that man-baby getting his dose of "you're fired!", there actually might be "a next week" as it were.
	🦇 4:39pm Julie: Honey my stepbrother lives here and he's a trumper. But yeah, I get more exposure because of my TX & NC family
	🦇 4:40pm Julie: I did have one guy I used to work with, gay for trump. (shrug)
	4:44pm Honeybear: @julie - the psychology driving his supporters is very deep (primal as it were), from what I understand
	4:50pm Honeybear: "I've been dissed and treated as an outsider for being (midwestern/southern, high-school educated, downsized / underemployed, or even gay/non-white). Then this guy Trump comes along, who's also an 'outsider' of sorts. Therefore, he 'gets' me and feels my pain."
	4:51pm northguineahills: @Honeybear: he was drunk and mad that night, but yes, he has no problem w/ the outcome (his twin was much more level-headed). They are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Outside of an older cousins, I’m the only non-GOPer in the family.
	4:51pm northguineahills: One older cousin....
	4:55pm Honeybear: I also went home early on Sat nite (as I do most nites - primarily to limit my virus exposure; also because there's just not that much to do in NYC these days after hours, except the usual outdoor binge-drinking). As things went on, it was kind of like any other night...
	🦇 4:56pm Handy Haversack: @4:38 Cha Cha: There might be! I get really scarted when I hear people here saying that now things can go back to "normal" or "the way it was" -- since the way it was was surveillance and extractive capitalism run wild and unchecked official violence against people of color. The status quo is evil. Hopefully enough people understand that now the REAL work begins. (sorry, I try not to get too heavy. Just ... times are heavy.)
	🦇 4:57pm Julie: i agree Handy. This is a step in the right direction but the status quo was crap. (I was called a debbie downer for saying that on Saturday). I'm determined to do whatever work necessary
	4:57pm Dean: My politics are, for lack of a better word, meta. I remain very, very afraid about the future, maybe more so now that people with competence will be at the helm. I do not invest energy in the symbolic virtues of our leaders. In fact, I am skeptical of leadership per se. Celebrate, sure, but stay wary and highly critical of not the person, but the office.
	4:58pm Mr. Nobody: Ahhh needed that PF
	4:59pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: since you mentioned memories associated to music, I can still remember 11 year old me taping the series "Live at the Beeb" off Finnish radio to rather horrible Fuji tapes and of course the tape ended during this Floyd instrumental, Murderotic Woman, and I quickly had to turn over the tape, furious at missing a segment of the track.., so yes, even at a young age I was a music nerd.
	🦇 4:59pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I felt pretty left out too, Julie -- or not exactly left out but separate. Dean, I agree.
	5:00pm Honeybear: @HH - agreed, our problems are far from over. I look at the election result as a "tiptoe away from the precipice". And at least, a chance to breathe.
	🦇 5:00pm Julie: I wish I had my old tapes off the radio still!
	5:01pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @4:57 Julie: thanks for the name, fits my character perfectomundo.
	🦇 5:02pm Julie: haha
	🦇 5:03pm Julie: I can hold two thoughts at once, yes this is a better outcome (so far) but also we have a lot of work to do. no hero worship here for any political figure.
	🦇 5:04pm Julie: I gotta say though that whole Four Seasons Landscaping thing was funny, scary and also funny.
	5:04pm spodiodi: i have nothing positive to add, but thanks for the music, Julie
	🦇 5:05pm Julie: you're very welcome spodi!
	5:06pm northguineahills: Gotta charge my laptop and phone, if I’m not back, thanks!
	🦇 5:07pm Handy Haversack: I am very glad that people who have been feeling physically and existentially threatened -- personally, and not just in general -- by the full-throated racist invective spewed by the soon-to-be-former pres are feeling relief and safety and joy. I sure don't begrudge people that! And sometimes I wish I could work up some hope ... but you don't need hope to keep trying to do the work.
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: thanks NGH!
	🦇 5:08pm Julie: Yes Handy and those folks know best how much work we have to do.
	5:09pm Sylvia (France-NYC): oh!
	5:10pm dreamyandseedy: i forgot about Salem. wish they made more music.
	🦇 5:10pm Handy Haversack: Yay! Bipolar Explorer! Can't wait for the whole album to come out!
	5:11pm C.S.: Hi everyone. Late to the party but better late than never.
	5:11pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Deux Anges is out on Friday! and yours is in the mail Handy :)
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: hiya CS welcome!
	🦇 5:12pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Just got home. Thank you, Julie!!!
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: heya SMS!
	5:12pm Sylvia (France-NYC): thank you Julie 🖤
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: you're welcome!
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: the sunsets have really been lovely lately
	🦇 5:12pm Handy Haversack: Already? So exciting, Sylvia! Merci bien!
	5:13pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: even if our current female-led, slightly more left-wing government is well, a more progressive one and so on, I am just scared what will follow... True Finns (a right-wing populist party) came so close winning instead of social democrats on the last parliament election, so I would not be surprised if they won next time, to be followed by a much worse government.
	🦇 5:14pm Julie: some people think the flip flopping between sides is a good thing, keeping us from going too far to either side but lately lives are on the line
	5:15pm C.S.: It's interesting who divided we all are. Could the internet be blamed? We don't seem to be talking to each other anymore. We seem to be talking at each other.
	5:15pm C.S.: how
	🦇 5:16pm Julie: yes and no. I was having face to face massive fights with my older sister before social media really took hold.
	🦇 5:17pm Julie: I'm sure we've been this divided before. The 60s for one. the civil war for another.
	5:17pm C.S.: And still we survived.
	5:18pm Dean: Among the "some people" who so think, the founding fathers, for better or worse. For a good time, read the notes from the constitutional conventions. We can blame the internet, but I don't think we're all that divided. Division makes for good news. Proscriptions against talk about religion or politics are ancient! I also don't think our federal government is all that divided. There's a ton of bipartisan work getting done, but again, doesn't make the headlines.
	🦇 5:19pm Julie: and I'm sure there was fake news consumed some other way
	5:19pm Sylvia (France-NYC): before, you would feel quite alone in a room with your racist and sexist family. now, you know they’re the problem, not you. with internet, we can talk with and learn from so many different people.
	5:20pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: and also, Finland as a rather small country is hardly the only or the best example of how popular right-wing populism is in Europe.
	🦇 5:20pm Handy Haversack: Ha, bien dit, Sylvia.
	🦇 5:20pm Julie: but for them we are the problem! I keep trying to see what they are seeing but I get just far enough to think to myself, you're nuts!
	5:20pm Dean: No, fake news emerged only on the day the Web went public. We know this for a fact. Remember tabloid newspapers in the line at the supermarket?
	🦇 5:21pm Julie: yeah hillary's alien baby would be all grown up now!
	5:21pm C.S.: Well, I have liberal and conservative friends and I do think we are that divided. The hate coming from both sides...the arrogance and sense of superiority. All backed up with sensational Facebook posts meant to inflame passions rather than inform or persuade. And now we are calling for unity? I don't think it will happen.
	5:22pm Sylvia (France-NYC): they’re afraid of anything different. they are unable to look deep down and face their darkness, because it’s scary and uncomfortable.
	5:23pm Honeybear: I do blame the internet for: (1) favoring superficiality / "meme-driven" communication (2) making it easy for people (myself included) to "self-isolate" in a bubble of news sources they prefer / trust (3) an inherent tendency to magnify perceived slights (and outright insults) due to the simple lack of shared physical presence and spontaneity
	5:23pm Dean: Unity doesn't happen at the national level. To some extent, that's a feature, not a bug. Unity belongs in the politics that is local. And, per our feminist forerunners, personal.
	5:24pm C.S.: There was plenty of national unity during WW II and just after 9-11. It is possible. Local unity might be harder because different regions often think differently from each other.
	5:25pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: Dean, while it happens at snail's pace, I am working on that Tolonen translation. Could you email me your email address to this TEMPORARY address: fmjfeoungmrxulk@affecting.org and I'll add it to my address book.. Thanks!
	5:25pm Dean: Will do, Debbie/Photocopy! Wow, thanks. Are you using Abine Blur? Just learned about it today.
	5:25pm Honeybear: Which was said about radio / TV and paper media as well, back in the day. But it does seem that the internet has a way of getting "under our radar", of messing with our heads generally -- more than these other source have
	5:26pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:23 Honeybear: Agreeing on all three points.
	5:27pm C.S.: Internet "news" doesn't need to be sourced. People post then if you refute the claims made in the article, the person posting just ignores you and posts ten more articles.
	5:27pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:25 Honeybear: no, this is something I heard from you right now (& googled)
	5:28pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: sorry Honeybear, the above was a response to @5:25 Dean
	5:28pm spodiodi: "look it up!" vomits
	5:28pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Bandcamp takes 15% bandcamp.com... and there’s also payment processing fees get.bandcamp.help...
	5:30pm Honeybear: @ChaCha2000 all good! btw I don't know who this Tolonen is (Jukka Tolonen?) but I always find DIY translation projects to be very cool
	🦇 5:31pm Julie: I got some guy's whole massive discography for like a buck last week. guess he just wants it out there
	5:31pm Dean: Check out Jukka Tolonen, yes!
	🦇 5:32pm Julie: i have so much BC stuff I still need to download..
	5:33pm C.S.: Since joining Bandcamp, I have noticed some interesting quirks. The sound quality or volume on a few tracks I have purchased aren't that great. Is it a problem on the site or with the artist?
	🦇 5:33pm Julie: what about like good 80s finnish synth pop is there such a thing?
	5:34pm C.S.: I also hate it when an artist on Bandcamp decides to tweak their song or delete it from existence all together.
	5:35pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @CS when streaming or when listening to the mp3/wav version?
	🦇 5:35pm Julie: I wish they would all do the "purchase whole discography" thing. There's some artists that just have a bunch of one off singles and you have to buy them all separate. I find that a bit annoying.
	🦇 5:37pm Handy Haversack: Bandcamp Friday is now the only holiday I get excited for.
	🦇 5:37pm Julie: OMG Same
	5:38pm C.S.: MP3 and FLAC versions.
	5:38pm Sylvia (France-NYC): I don’t like how physical versions within album pages are displayed on Bandcamp, I think they’re hard to see
	5:39pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:33 Julie: band called Stressi maybe? or try the comp Satan In Love - Rare Finnish Synth-Pop & Disco 1979-1992 - it does have rather funny moments there...
	5:40pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @CS it’s probably the tracks themselves, maybe they haven’t been mastered or it’s just a choice by the artists (?)
	🦇 5:40pm Julie: oooh thanks Cha Cha!
	5:40pm C.S.: @ Julie I noticed many songs from Jenn Vix have vanished off the internet. A shame. Thought they were pretty good.
	🦇 5:41pm Julie: You can still get her CDs but her one-off singles and stuff yeah that's tricky. I'll see what's going on with her, if she put it somewhere else
	5:42pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: also Julie, anyone else, I hate call it "Finnish goth" but the 1983 album Peilitalossa by Musta Paraati - it is a classic, nuff said.
	5:42pm C.S.: @ Sylvia (France-NYC) Probably but if I'm paying money to buy their track rather than steal music, I'd love the best quality version.
	🦇 5:42pm Julie: Cha Cha, ahh got it!
	🦇 5:43pm Handy Haversack: Bandcamp has standards for the file type and quality of the uploads -- you can't just toss MP3s on there. So ... I can see variation in volume happening among different artists, but I don't think we're being sold a bill of goods.
	5:43pm C.S.: @ Julie yes, a lot of those singles that she put up for preview have gone. Dark Branches in Rain, You Are Sleep Walking, the original version of Strange Buildings...and many more.
	🦇 5:44pm Julie: i will definitely tell her she will be happy someone noticed!
	5:45pm C.S.: @Handy Haversack It doesn't happen very often but a couple of times the Youtube version of a song will have better sound quality than the Bandcamp version.
	5:45pm C.S.: @ Julie Thanks.
	5:46pm C.S.: Some of her songs would be good soundtrack material.
	🦇 5:47pm Julie: yes indeed!
	5:48pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: I do hope there are not that many mp3's or other lossy files sold as lossless (wav, flac etc.) - that does happen maybe at some fraudster sites, but I hope the artists check the audio before uploading to bandcamp. That said, I don't mind my regular dose of lo-fi, when intentional of course.
	5:52pm C.S.: Also hate it when an artist will put a track up on Bandcamp but then won't make it available for purchase because it was a demo, previously unreleased, etc.
	5:53pm C.S.: It's like shades of 1984...the track never existed. You never heard it. Stop trying to buy it.
	🦇 5:54pm Julie: if they are with a label that may be a contractual thing
	5:54pm C.S.: Could be. One song in particular featured a totally different singer so I wonder if there was some drama there too.
	5:57pm C.S.: David Vanian from The Damned had a project called the Phantom Chords and their first album which I thought was nice remains unreleased by Polydor as an acetate. A shame when good music is held hostage and in danger of disappearing forever.
	5:57pm northguineahills: I’m not sure how (probably gifted by a roommate), but I have a Xeno and Oaklander rekkid....
	🦇 5:57pm Julie: indeed!
	🦇 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Accomplished some leaf raking on this lovely November day. I like that modern technology allows one to bring music along.
	5:59pm βrian: Dorie Greenspan, I should think.
	🦇 6:05pm Julie: ahh only greenspan I know is Alan
	🦇 6:08pm Handy Haversack: I missed the theme -- was making a drink. What do we have? Joes, I presume? Hmm. Topical, Julie. Ripped from the headlines!
	🦇 6:08pm Julie: hehe yep. I realized I have a TON of Joe songs.
	6:10pm βrian: If you want world peace: doriegreenspan.com...
	6:10pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: This must be from a off-air cassette, like I said, I love my lo-fi. The day when you know you're old when realise John Peel Show tragically stopped more than 16 years ago....
	🦇 6:11pm Julie: strangely I think the peel session all I have of them, will have to get a "real" album
	6:12pm Sylvia (France-NYC): nice theme Julie!
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: haha thanks Sylvia
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: I think i will do clothing next week, that sounds fun
	🦇 6:13pm Julie: although whoever suggested it may have defected over to Micah
	6:14pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @6:11 Julie: sometimes a peel session is all an artist/a band has ever even done. They play pretty obscure Peel sessions (& other BBC stuff) sometimes at BBC's 6 music live hour, if not lately.
	6:14pm Sylvia (France-NYC): clothing should be fun, there’s a lot to choose from I suspect
	🦇 6:15pm Julie: I probably should not play the Edith Pop Shoes song yet again.. I play it so much!
	🦇 6:16pm Julie: I can only think of a couple off hand but I'm sure I will find a lot
	6:17pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: Oh my, this song. Like me reminiscing about Pink Floyd's Murderistic Women, Joe The Lion is also one of 11-year-old me taping songs off the radio while should be sleeping, shhh mum must not find out...
	🦇 6:17pm Handy Haversack: I am already thinking it's a great reason to play "Famous Blue Raincoat" and "Angst in My Pants"! (I suggested it -- I was feeding the monsters!)
	🦇 6:17pm Julie: it's always a good time for famous blue raincoat
	🦇 6:18pm Julie: No idea what she's saying about Joe but I like it
	6:19pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Did you have a "Tuesday" theme already?
	🦇 6:19pm Julie: some of it is english but not all unless I'm just not understanding her
	🦇 6:20pm Julie: I have not! But there's an idea too! thanks cha cha
	🦇 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I'm with you, Julie. I don't know what's going on exactly, but I liked it!
	🦇 6:21pm Julie: boy I wish these folks had made more albums
	🦇 6:23pm Julie: this song blows my mind, this is CHUCK?
	🦇 6:26pm Handy Haversack: Twiggy!
	🦇 6:29pm chris: biding my time. lolololol
	🦇 6:29pm Handy Haversack: It's chris! Twiggy summoned him!
	6:31pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Ha! I just realised I DON'T have many Joe songs on my collection. Dead Joe by Birthday Party, Joe bean by Johnny Cash, Hey Joe by Various artists, Cotton Eyed Joe (Karen Dalton version), Bowie's Joe The Lion, Nick Cave's Knockin' On Joe, Sting-Rays' Joe Strummer's Wallet. And that was all!
	6:32pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: plus yeah, PJ Harvey's Joe of course since you mentioned it! Helloooooooo Cannibal!
	6:32pm ?: joe birden
	6:33pm C.S.: Sounds like Julie is on safari.
	🦇 6:33pm chris: i mean i'm listening... just trying to concentrate on making money to send to wfmu :)
	🦇 6:34pm Handy Haversack: I am wonder whether Sisters of Mercy's "Ribbons" might fit into the clothes theme ... I guess "hoping it would" is more accurate, really.
	6:34pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: yay for Sisters Of Mercy!
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: i have literally never listened to this record even though I have it for ages
	6:40pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Tori & Genesis, I have listened to them every once in a while but never was that much into them before this show. Love both to bits nowadays!
	6:40pm Dean: I'll share here as I've shared more than once on a WFMU comment board that Patricia Morrison, one-time bass player for SoM and current spouse of Dave Vanian, mentioned upstream, used to drop by the record store where I worked in the late '70s. I, in turn, used to swing by the cosmetics counter at a department store in town where she worked. She was playing at the time with The Bags. Great band, really nice young lady.
	🦇 6:40pm Julie: cool!
	🦇 6:41pm Julie: dean you're a genesis-phile what you think of this album?
	6:42pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:39 Julie: recently acquired this one on vinyl! as well as Lamb lies... Foxtrot, Abacab, Genesis (1983), Selling England By The Pound... plus FELT, Tori Amos etc.
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: ah I will have to check out The Bags! girl punk, yes
	🦇 6:43pm Julie: Genesis is a fun album if you don't compare it to anything else by them.
	6:44pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:40 Dean: haven't heard much Bags but liked them of Decline Of Western Civilization. A pity Patricia was not on any Sisters Of Mercy recordings, even if she was the official bass player. I think there were no gigs either then.
	6:46pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:43 Julie: then again the first one is also very different to what they were known for, though obviously without the 80s cheesiness.
	6:46pm Dean: Girl punk, yes, inasmuch as Alice and Pat teamed up with Craig and Rob (whose ex-wife I used to ride home with from work on the bus). They were killer. By ...And Then There Were Three I was wearying of Collins-only Genesis, though I have the double live album they did around this time, and I only ever saw them live without Gabriel. I'm a big Lamb and Selling England fan, but also of the stuff from the beginning. Buddy of mine had a record store whose motto was Selling Records by the Pound. Patricia did appear with the Damned, though, didn't she?
	🦇 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Ah, Dolores, Sounds great. I;m about to get into it with cooking, so I'll thank you now, Julie for another wonderful show and for hosting the best party a person can find on a Tuesday. In case I'm wrist-deep in vegetables when next it comes. BUT DAMN was I hoping you would play this song! You are the best! Be well, all!
	🦇 6:46pm Julie: thanks Handy! Take care!
	6:47pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: How could I forget I Had a Dream, Joe! Wasn't Joe (at least in some cases) his father Joseph Cave? Died in a car crash.
	6:48pm spodiodi: see you Handy!
	🦇 6:48pm Julie: cha cha you mentioned it!
	6:49pm Sylvia (France-NYC): thanks for the show and the chat Julie and birdies, goodnight!🌙
	6:49pm βrian: I kid you not about those peace cookies, by the way.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: nite nite Sylvia!
	🦇 6:50pm Handy Haversack: Why do I think "all dressed up in your ridiculous seersucker suit" is one of the best lines in rock history?
	6:50pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: except this was a bunch of misinformation I heard at some point or another - just checked Colin Frank Cave, not Joseph, was Nick Cave's dad.
	6:51pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:50 Handy Haversack: Under assitant west coast promotion man by the stones? or where it is from? a cool line indeed.
	6:54pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: I blame tinnitus I did not hear that "seersucker" line in that Nick Cave song - please never ask me to your pub quiz team!
	6:54pm spodiodi: thanks, Julie! see you all next time
	🦇 6:55pm Handy Haversack: You're already on the team, Cha Cha!
	6:56pm northguineahills: Thanks Julie and birds!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: yes I picked Cher over Hendrix because too predictable
	6:56pm KWilde: Thanks Julie! Just caught the last hour
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: thanks K Wilde!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: thanks for listening everyone!
	6:56pm βrian: Now, if Joe had been offered one or two of those peace cookies, things would've been different.
	6:57pm KWilde: Glad I tuned in
	🦇 6:57pm chris: damn fine version of Hey Joe. thanks for the great show, Julie! again, best wishes to all! :)
	6:58pm still b/p: btw -- the Bidin' My Time by Herman's Hermits is a different song, not the one Twiggy did. But in the movie clip of those Hermits doing the other one......ridiculous cowboy hats! So all must watch. Before them, Judy Garland did it on film with a passel o' cowpokes, too.
	🦇 6:58pm Julie: mmm cookies. take care everyone stay safe and reasonable sane!
	🦇 6:58pm Julie: ooooh thanks still I didn't realize!
	6:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:55 Handy Haversack: if you want your pub quiz team to be called Mount Embarrassment :)
	6:59pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Wait is 7pm est already! Thanks Julie and all of you! Good Night!

Dark Night of the Soul with Julie: Playlist from November 10, 2020

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Familiar & forgotten gems from 50-plus years of music on the darker side, shoegaze, synthpop, goth, psychedelia, darkwave, with unapologetic detours into 70s pop. In a dark night of the soul, it's always 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Comments	New	Approx. start time
David Bowie	A Better Future "A Better Future" by "David Bowie"	Heathen	2002			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Young Prisms	Sunshine "Sunshine" by "Young Prisms"	In Between	2012			0:04:43 (Pop-up)
The Virgance	Sequester (Radio edit)	Paradigm 3	2015			0:08:14 (Pop-up)
Justin Hayward	Tuesday Afternoon (live)	Spirits...Live	2014			0:11:17 (Pop-up)
Erik	Dead Afternoon Song "Dead Afternoon Song" by "Erik"	Look Where I Am	1967			0:15:24 (Pop-up)
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard	Empty	I'm In Your Mind Fuzz	2014			0:18:37 (Pop-up)
Blackstone Rngrs	Descendant Of "Descendant Of" by "Blackstone Rngrs"	Descendant	2014			0:22:51 (Pop-up)
Heaven 17	(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang	Penthouse and Pavement	1981			0:28:27 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Peter Schilling	Major Tom (instrumental)					0:32:38 (Pop-up)
James Brown	Funky President (People It's Bad)	In The Name of the Funk	1974			0:40:22 (Pop-up)
Judy Mowatt	Black Woman "Black Woman" by "Judy Mowatt"	Black Woman	1979			0:44:19 (Pop-up)
France Gall	Bonsoir John-John "Bonsoir John-John" by "France Gall"	Bonsoir John-John	1966			0:47:58 (Pop-up)
Vitor Hublot	Aller Simple "Aller Simple" by "Vitor Hublot"	Aller Simple	1983			0:50:12 (Pop-up)
Lisa Lee	Goner "Goner" by "Lisa Lee"	I'm Taken By You 7"	1984			0:53:50 (Pop-up)
The Legendary Pink Dots	Death of a King	A Perfect Mystery	2000			0:56:58 (Pop-up)
Annie Haslam	Glitter and Dust "Glitter and Dust" by "Annie Haslam"	Still Life	1996			1:03:29 (Pop-up)
Low	So Blue "So Blue" by "Low"	The Invisible Way	2013			1:06:21 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Deep Purple	Lalena (instrumental)					1:10:52 (Pop-up)
Elton John	Can I Put You On "Can I Put You On" by "Elton John"	Madman Shakes Tokyo	1971	f		1:17:53 (Pop-up)
Three Dog Night	Celebrate "Celebrate" by "Three Dog Night"	Suitable For Framing	1969			1:24:39 (Pop-up)
Romeo Void	In the Dark "In the Dark" by "Romeo Void"	Benefactor	1982			1:27:53 (Pop-up)
Bona Dish	Fractured Heart "Fractured Heart" by "Bona Dish"	EP	1982			1:32:12 (Pop-up)
They Might Be Giants	Your Racist Friend	Flood	1990			1:35:22 (Pop-up)
Noel Harrison	Museum "Museum" by "Noel Harrison"	Collage	1967			1:38:04 (Pop-up)
Dengel	Mother "Mother" by "Dengel"	Dengel EP	2007			1:40:09 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Jh	Life on Mars? (instrumental) "Life on Mars? (instrumental)" by "Jh"					1:44:48 (Pop-up)
Pink Floyd	Murderotic Woman (live)	The Early Years 1968 Germin/Ation	2017			1:54:38 (Pop-up)
Hungry Lucy	To Kill A King "To Kill A King" by "Hungry Lucy"	To Kill A King	2004			1:58:08 (Pop-up)
Salem	Frost "Frost" by "Salem"	King Night	2010			2:01:49 (Pop-up)
Danielle Dax	Dead Man's Chill "Dead Man's Chill" by "Danielle Dax"	Blast the Human Flower	1990			2:05:35 (Pop-up)
Bipolar Explorer	Mission Street "Mission Street" by "Bipolar Explorer"	Deux Anges -- Les Deux Anges	2020	coming out Friday!	*	2:10:11 (Pop-up)
Isobella	Diana's Secret Star "Diana's Secret Star" by "Isobella"	A 24 Syllable Haiku	2001			2:15:34 (Pop-up)
The Unspoken Word	Distant, Oh So Far	Tuesday, April 19th	1968			2:19:58 (Pop-up)
Peanut Butter Conspiracy	Time Is After You	The Great Conspiracy	1967			2:28:42 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Syd Barrett	Golden Hair (instrumental)
Golden Carillo	Guns of the Bigoted	A Fire in New Town	1992			2:29:14 (Pop-up)
Amy X Neuburg & Men	Get the Camera Out Of Here	Utechma	1995			2:31:52 (Pop-up)
Christine Owman	I'd Rather Die Than Play Dead	Little Beast	2013			2:37:03 (Pop-up)
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark	Statues	Organisation	1980			2:41:00 (Pop-up)
Xeno & Oaklander	Sheen "Sheen" by "Xeno & Oaklander"	Par Avion	2014			2:45:19 (Pop-up)
The Plimsouls	Now "Now" by "The Plimsouls"	The Plimsouls	1981			2:49:24 (Pop-up)
Tennis	Bimini Bay "Bimini Bay" by "Tennis"	Cape Dory	2011			2:51:59 (Pop-up)
Taron Egerton	Thank You for All of Your Loving	Rocketman: Music from the Motion Picture OST	2019			2:55:07 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Neal Hefti	The Year of the Duck "The Year of the Duck" by "Neal Hefti"	Lord Love A Duck (OST)				2:58:32 (Pop-up)
Wings	Message to Joe "Message to Joe" by "Wings"	Wings at the Speed of Sound (reissue)	1976			3:03:47 (Pop-up)
Blondie	Hello Joe "Hello Joe" by "Blondie"	The Curse of Blondie	2003			3:04:03 (Pop-up)
Bang Bang Machine	Say It Again Joe	Peel Session	1992			3:08:12 (Pop-up)
PJ Harvey	Joe "Joe" by "PJ Harvey"	Dry	1992			3:11:52 (Pop-up)
David Bowie	Joe the Lion "Joe the Lion" by "David Bowie"	John I'm Only Dancing (single)	1972			3:14:13 (Pop-up)
Minako Honda	Joe "Joe" by "Minako Honda"	LIPS	1986			3:17:15 (Pop-up)
Haysi Fantayzee	Holy Joe "Holy Joe" by "Haysi Fantayzee"	Battle Hymns for Children Singing (expanded)	1982			3:20:36 (Pop-up)
Chuck Berry	Run Joe "Run Joe" by "Chuck Berry"	Fresh Berry's	1965			3:23:29 (Pop-up)
Twiggy	Bidin' My Time "Bidin' My Time" by "Twiggy"	Twiggy	1976			3:26:35 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Music Box	Have You Never Been Mellow? (instrumental)					3:28:57 (Pop-up)
Tori Amos	Smokey Joe "Smokey Joe" by "Tori Amos"	American Doll Posse	2007			3:34:13 (Pop-up)
Genesis	Say It's Alright Joe "Say It's Alright Joe" by "Genesis"	...And Then There Were Three...	1978			3:38:37 (Pop-up)
The Cranberries	Joe "Joe" by "The Cranberries"	To the Faithful Departed	1996			3:42:44 (Pop-up)
Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds	I Had a Dream, Joe	Henry's Dream	1982			3:45:49 (Pop-up)
The Poppy Family	Evil Overshadows Joe	A Good Thing Lost: 1968-1973	1969	b-side		3:49:31 (Pop-up)
The Sweet	Poppa Joe "Poppa Joe" by "The Sweet"	Blockbusters	1972			3:51:55 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Syd Barrett	Gigolo Aunt (loop) "Gigolo Aunt (loop)" by "Syd Barrett"					3:56:06 (Pop-up)
Cher	Hey Joe "Hey Joe" by "Cher"	With Love, Cher	1967			3:56:09 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🦇 3:00pm Handy Haversack: Julie and the Ensouled! Hi, everyone!
	🦇 3:00pm Julie: hi hi Handy!
	3:00pm spodiodi: hi Julie and everyone! glad to be listening
	🦇 3:01pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Julie and all!
	🦇 3:02pm Julie: hi ya spodi and james!
	3:03pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Hello all
	🦇 3:03pm Julie: hi Sylvia!
	3:04pm Mr. Nobody: Hey All!
	3:04pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @Handy THANK YOU btw
	🦇 3:05pm Julie: heya Mr Nobody!
	3:05pm sim: Hi, Julie! Great track!
	🦇 3:06pm Julie: hiya sim!
	3:08pm northguineahills: Listening from a parking lot....
	🦇 3:09pm chris: hey, Julie and folks. hope you are all well. can't comment much these days cuz wurk stuff. wanted to say, hi to all, though. cheers and all best to youses.
	🦇 3:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, Dark Night of the Soul ... Nebula? apod.nasa.gov... Had not heard of that until today.
	🦇 3:09pm Handy Haversack: @Sylvia, no, thank YOU. We both really dig that album. Hi, chris, always good to see you!
	🦇 3:09pm Julie: hiya Chris...thanks for checking in. Hiya NGH! Hey Ken! ooh I will check that out when I have a moment thank you
	3:11pm sim: Ohhh, ear magic!
	🦇 3:12pm Handy Haversack: Ken know a lot about space for someone who claims to be from earth ... are we sure there isn't another Hyde Park -- OUT THERE?
	3:12pm βrian: @NGH: You always bring that aura of adventure! It's kind of gloomy in Madison right now.
	🦇 3:13pm Julie: hi Brian!
	3:13pm βrian: Hola.
	3:13pm WR: The crowd clapping to Tuesday Afternoon would have been a total buzz kill if I was there. Maybe.
	3:15pm sim: @WR. It's about being a part of it. But many audiences are horrible for keeping time.
	3:16pm βrian: As sage as she is, rosemary can't keep thyme.
	3:17pm sim: @brian. groan
	3:17pm Honeybear: That crowd sounded "engineered-in" to my ears - hence the buzz kill? but who knows
	3:17pm βrian: (I'm working on my dad-joke merit badge.)
	🦇 3:17pm Julie: hiya Honeybear!
	3:18pm WR: Worse buzz kill, my manager called and said forget lunch, customer has issue. Join the zoom. Laters folks.
	🦇 3:20pm Julie: awww bye WR sorry!
	3:21pm sim: @WR. See you some other Tuesday Afternoon
	🦇 3:23pm Handy Haversack: Justin Hayward looks like he could appreciate a solid dad joke, βrian.
	3:23pm Honeybear: @julie - been deprived of (realtime) access to your show for far too long, due to lack of regular internet access. happy to have fixed that!
	🦇 3:24pm Julie: great news honeybear!
	🦇 3:27pm Handy Haversack: Julie, after you played Drivin' N Cryin' by my request, I idly wondered whether I had missed any DNC releases over the years. Which was quickly followed by "DNC has a website? DNC has a webstore?!" and then a large envelope making its way north. Both T-shirt and beer koozie are Waffle House-themed, so I consider this a win on every front.
	🦇 3:28pm Julie: haha that's always fun finding that kinda stuff
	3:32pm northguineahills: Sold the backend of my Rs of my Recs, got $200 so far. Will put a link in my profile when things are more stable (trying to decide w/ my friend via FaceTime is taking forever.
	3:35pm northguineahills: Peter Schilling reminds me Deutschland 89 is on again (sequel to 86 and 83) on Sundance. (Major Tom is the theme song)
	3:37pm johnzo: Justin Beiber's dead?
	3:37pm johnzo: sorry misheard that. my b
	🦇 3:39pm Handy Haversack: Huh, ngh, I didn't even realize there was an 86! Thanks for the tip.
	🦇 3:40pm Julie: wait, what even is that?
	🦇 3:45pm Handy Haversack: A Cold War espionage thriller TV show set in Germany, Julie.
	🦇 3:46pm Julie: oooh that sounds fun
	3:49pm Honeybear: repose en paix, france
	3:50pm dreamyandseedy: I have a suggestion for a bonus hour, I was thinking about Sheila B's special where she played music released by women when they were over 50. It would be interesting to hear something like that with your taste in music! Wouldn't have to be only women, obv whatever you want :)
	🦇 3:51pm Julie: hmm that's an interesting idea dreamy, thanks!
	🦇 3:52pm Handy Haversack: I had a much lamer idea: songs about clothes.
	🦇 3:53pm Julie: oooh handy I kinda love that though
	3:54pm dreamyandseedy: i also still want songs where there is humming, lol more difficult perhaps
	🦇 3:55pm Julie: yeah that's a tricky one..I may just have to start noting down when it turns up in a song and gather stuff for a long period
	3:58pm Dean: Humming or whistling or inarticulate sounds (as in every other Katy Perry tune)
	3:58pm dreamyandseedy: hahaha i know it's an annoying request, sorry ;) i just always notice humming and i like it i hope you decided to do a 1970 show! that will be amazing
	🦇 3:59pm Julie: Dean or early Cocteau Twins.
	🦇 3:59pm Julie: yes that's gonna be fun!
	4:04pm northguineahills: I have jalapeños, but no knife to put them on my sandwich. I know, I’ll take a bite of the jalapeño then one out of the sandwich!
	🦇 4:04pm Julie: yum!
	4:04pm Honeybear: Obligatory mention: every episode of Deutschland 83-89 had a custom playlist -- and the playlist for episode 2 of Deutschland 83 ("Brave Guy") was mixed by none other than WFMU Generalsekretär Ken Freedman
	4:05pm northguineahills: If you like 80s Berlin culture, you’d like the Deutschland series.....
	4:05pm Honeybear: (and is supposedly available on spotify somewhere, for what that may be with)
	🦇 4:06pm Handy Haversack: I had no idea, Honeybear! Dag! Thanks.
	4:06pm Mark R: Love this Low album!
	🦇 4:08pm Julie: hiya Mark! good to see ya
	4:08pm Honeybear: neither did I; nor did I have any knoweldge of the (apparently must-see) 83-89 series until a few minutes ago (which is what happens when one watches next to no television for 30 years)
	4:23pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: A good Dark Night to you all.
	🦇 4:24pm Julie: heya Cha Cha!
	4:25pm βrian: "Celibate!"
	🦇 4:26pm Julie: Incel theme song?
	4:27pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Julie, special thanks for playing that Low track - and before that one, that mighty Legendary Pink Dots track. That. Was. A W E S O M E.
	🦇 4:28pm Julie: glad you liked them! I've heard about Low for years but never really listened to them.
	🦇 4:28pm Handy Haversack: Hey there, Photocopy Cha Cha!
	4:30pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:28 Handy Haversack: Good afternoon Handy, how are you doing? Did you have a proper (well, within COVID-19 restrictions) "Bye Trump" party the past weekend?
	4:31pm Honeybear: In NYC it was easy to celebrate - the whole city (Manhattan anyway) was basically one big party
	🦇 4:31pm Handy Haversack: I was pretty much confined to quarters, Cha Cha, but Kate was on her way to run a people's theater group in a park when the race was called, and that park turned into a giant party. Very little people's theater was accomplished, but there's always next week.
	🦇 4:32pm Julie: Not as much down here. There was a short burst then nothing. I stayed in but it was fun watching the videos.
	4:32pm Honeybear: (I do exaggerate there - but only slightly)
	4:34pm northguineahills: I was in a rest area when the Biden announcement was made. Then I went that night to my bros. Who voted for Trump. So, no celebration por moi. But I did drive 150 miles and sleep in parking lots, but FL still failed us. At least minimum wage is being raised.
	4:35pm northguineahills: TMBGs!
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: good for you NGH!
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: I think this might be the first time I've played them!
	4:35pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:28 Julie: While I have seen both LPD and Low live (the latter twice as it happens) I am ashamed to say I have no (physical) releases from either fine group. I am considering whether to send some monsky to both, come next bandcamp friday, Legendary Pink Dots at least have a lot of albums out there.
	4:36pm northguineahills: (I always vote no matter the obstacles).
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: the guitar on this is HOT, not what I expected from them
	4:36pm Honeybear: @ngh - has your brother "accepted" the outcome yet?
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: LPD has a million releases for sure
	4:38pm Honeybear: A downside to living in NYC (and in decidely blue areas otherwise - when living in the U.S. least) is that I don't actually know any "trump people"
	4:38pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:31 Handy Haversack: even if I am a rather pessimistic person, thanks to that man-baby getting his dose of "you're fired!", there actually might be "a next week" as it were.
	🦇 4:39pm Julie: Honey my stepbrother lives here and he's a trumper. But yeah, I get more exposure because of my TX & NC family
	🦇 4:40pm Julie: I did have one guy I used to work with, gay for trump. (shrug)
	4:44pm Honeybear: @julie - the psychology driving his supporters is very deep (primal as it were), from what I understand
	4:50pm Honeybear: "I've been dissed and treated as an outsider for being (midwestern/southern, high-school educated, downsized / underemployed, or even gay/non-white). Then this guy Trump comes along, who's also an 'outsider' of sorts. Therefore, he 'gets' me and feels my pain."
	4:51pm northguineahills: @Honeybear: he was drunk and mad that night, but yes, he has no problem w/ the outcome (his twin was much more level-headed). They are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Outside of an older cousins, I’m the only non-GOPer in the family.
	4:51pm northguineahills: One older cousin....
	4:55pm Honeybear: I also went home early on Sat nite (as I do most nites - primarily to limit my virus exposure; also because there's just not that much to do in NYC these days after hours, except the usual outdoor binge-drinking). As things went on, it was kind of like any other night...
	🦇 4:56pm Handy Haversack: @4:38 Cha Cha: There might be! I get really scarted when I hear people here saying that now things can go back to "normal" or "the way it was" -- since the way it was was surveillance and extractive capitalism run wild and unchecked official violence against people of color. The status quo is evil. Hopefully enough people understand that now the REAL work begins. (sorry, I try not to get too heavy. Just ... times are heavy.)
	🦇 4:57pm Julie: i agree Handy. This is a step in the right direction but the status quo was crap. (I was called a debbie downer for saying that on Saturday). I'm determined to do whatever work necessary
	4:57pm Dean: My politics are, for lack of a better word, meta. I remain very, very afraid about the future, maybe more so now that people with competence will be at the helm. I do not invest energy in the symbolic virtues of our leaders. In fact, I am skeptical of leadership per se. Celebrate, sure, but stay wary and highly critical of not the person, but the office.
	4:58pm Mr. Nobody: Ahhh needed that PF
	4:59pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: since you mentioned memories associated to music, I can still remember 11 year old me taping the series "Live at the Beeb" off Finnish radio to rather horrible Fuji tapes and of course the tape ended during this Floyd instrumental, Murderotic Woman, and I quickly had to turn over the tape, furious at missing a segment of the track.., so yes, even at a young age I was a music nerd.
	🦇 4:59pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I felt pretty left out too, Julie -- or not exactly left out but separate. Dean, I agree.
	5:00pm Honeybear: @HH - agreed, our problems are far from over. I look at the election result as a "tiptoe away from the precipice". And at least, a chance to breathe.
	🦇 5:00pm Julie: I wish I had my old tapes off the radio still!
	5:01pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @4:57 Julie: thanks for the name, fits my character perfectomundo.
	🦇 5:02pm Julie: haha
	🦇 5:03pm Julie: I can hold two thoughts at once, yes this is a better outcome (so far) but also we have a lot of work to do. no hero worship here for any political figure.
	🦇 5:04pm Julie: I gotta say though that whole Four Seasons Landscaping thing was funny, scary and also funny.
	5:04pm spodiodi: i have nothing positive to add, but thanks for the music, Julie
	🦇 5:05pm Julie: you're very welcome spodi!
	5:06pm northguineahills: Gotta charge my laptop and phone, if I’m not back, thanks!
	🦇 5:07pm Handy Haversack: I am very glad that people who have been feeling physically and existentially threatened -- personally, and not just in general -- by the full-throated racist invective spewed by the soon-to-be-former pres are feeling relief and safety and joy. I sure don't begrudge people that! And sometimes I wish I could work up some hope ... but you don't need hope to keep trying to do the work.
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: thanks NGH!
	🦇 5:08pm Julie: Yes Handy and those folks know best how much work we have to do.
	5:09pm Sylvia (France-NYC): oh!
	5:10pm dreamyandseedy: i forgot about Salem. wish they made more music.
	🦇 5:10pm Handy Haversack: Yay! Bipolar Explorer! Can't wait for the whole album to come out!
	5:11pm C.S.: Hi everyone. Late to the party but better late than never.
	5:11pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Deux Anges is out on Friday! and yours is in the mail Handy :)
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: hiya CS welcome!
	🦇 5:12pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Just got home. Thank you, Julie!!!
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: heya SMS!
	5:12pm Sylvia (France-NYC): thank you Julie 🖤
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: you're welcome!
	🦇 5:12pm Julie: the sunsets have really been lovely lately
	🦇 5:12pm Handy Haversack: Already? So exciting, Sylvia! Merci bien!
	5:13pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: even if our current female-led, slightly more left-wing government is well, a more progressive one and so on, I am just scared what will follow... True Finns (a right-wing populist party) came so close winning instead of social democrats on the last parliament election, so I would not be surprised if they won next time, to be followed by a much worse government.
	🦇 5:14pm Julie: some people think the flip flopping between sides is a good thing, keeping us from going too far to either side but lately lives are on the line
	5:15pm C.S.: It's interesting who divided we all are. Could the internet be blamed? We don't seem to be talking to each other anymore. We seem to be talking at each other.
	5:15pm C.S.: how
	🦇 5:16pm Julie: yes and no. I was having face to face massive fights with my older sister before social media really took hold.
	🦇 5:17pm Julie: I'm sure we've been this divided before. The 60s for one. the civil war for another.
	5:17pm C.S.: And still we survived.
	5:18pm Dean: Among the "some people" who so think, the founding fathers, for better or worse. For a good time, read the notes from the constitutional conventions. We can blame the internet, but I don't think we're all that divided. Division makes for good news. Proscriptions against talk about religion or politics are ancient! I also don't think our federal government is all that divided. There's a ton of bipartisan work getting done, but again, doesn't make the headlines.
	🦇 5:19pm Julie: and I'm sure there was fake news consumed some other way
	5:19pm Sylvia (France-NYC): before, you would feel quite alone in a room with your racist and sexist family. now, you know they’re the problem, not you. with internet, we can talk with and learn from so many different people.
	5:20pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: and also, Finland as a rather small country is hardly the only or the best example of how popular right-wing populism is in Europe.
	🦇 5:20pm Handy Haversack: Ha, bien dit, Sylvia.
	🦇 5:20pm Julie: but for them we are the problem! I keep trying to see what they are seeing but I get just far enough to think to myself, you're nuts!
	5:20pm Dean: No, fake news emerged only on the day the Web went public. We know this for a fact. Remember tabloid newspapers in the line at the supermarket?
	🦇 5:21pm Julie: yeah hillary's alien baby would be all grown up now!
	5:21pm C.S.: Well, I have liberal and conservative friends and I do think we are that divided. The hate coming from both sides...the arrogance and sense of superiority. All backed up with sensational Facebook posts meant to inflame passions rather than inform or persuade. And now we are calling for unity? I don't think it will happen.
	5:22pm Sylvia (France-NYC): they’re afraid of anything different. they are unable to look deep down and face their darkness, because it’s scary and uncomfortable.
	5:23pm Honeybear: I do blame the internet for: (1) favoring superficiality / "meme-driven" communication (2) making it easy for people (myself included) to "self-isolate" in a bubble of news sources they prefer / trust (3) an inherent tendency to magnify perceived slights (and outright insults) due to the simple lack of shared physical presence and spontaneity
	5:23pm Dean: Unity doesn't happen at the national level. To some extent, that's a feature, not a bug. Unity belongs in the politics that is local. And, per our feminist forerunners, personal.
	5:24pm C.S.: There was plenty of national unity during WW II and just after 9-11. It is possible. Local unity might be harder because different regions often think differently from each other.
	5:25pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: Dean, while it happens at snail's pace, I am working on that Tolonen translation. Could you email me your email address to this TEMPORARY address: fmjfeoungmrxulk@affecting.org and I'll add it to my address book.. Thanks!
	5:25pm Dean: Will do, Debbie/Photocopy! Wow, thanks. Are you using Abine Blur? Just learned about it today.
	5:25pm Honeybear: Which was said about radio / TV and paper media as well, back in the day. But it does seem that the internet has a way of getting "under our radar", of messing with our heads generally -- more than these other source have
	5:26pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:23 Honeybear: Agreeing on all three points.
	5:27pm C.S.: Internet "news" doesn't need to be sourced. People post then if you refute the claims made in the article, the person posting just ignores you and posts ten more articles.
	5:27pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:25 Honeybear: no, this is something I heard from you right now (& googled)
	5:28pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: sorry Honeybear, the above was a response to @5:25 Dean
	5:28pm spodiodi: "look it up!" vomits
	5:28pm Sylvia (France-NYC): Bandcamp takes 15% bandcamp.com... and there’s also payment processing fees get.bandcamp.help...
	5:30pm Honeybear: @ChaCha2000 all good! btw I don't know who this Tolonen is (Jukka Tolonen?) but I always find DIY translation projects to be very cool
	🦇 5:31pm Julie: I got some guy's whole massive discography for like a buck last week. guess he just wants it out there
	5:31pm Dean: Check out Jukka Tolonen, yes!
	🦇 5:32pm Julie: i have so much BC stuff I still need to download..
	5:33pm C.S.: Since joining Bandcamp, I have noticed some interesting quirks. The sound quality or volume on a few tracks I have purchased aren't that great. Is it a problem on the site or with the artist?
	🦇 5:33pm Julie: what about like good 80s finnish synth pop is there such a thing?
	5:34pm C.S.: I also hate it when an artist on Bandcamp decides to tweak their song or delete it from existence all together.
	5:35pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @CS when streaming or when listening to the mp3/wav version?
	🦇 5:35pm Julie: I wish they would all do the "purchase whole discography" thing. There's some artists that just have a bunch of one off singles and you have to buy them all separate. I find that a bit annoying.
	🦇 5:37pm Handy Haversack: Bandcamp Friday is now the only holiday I get excited for.
	🦇 5:37pm Julie: OMG Same
	5:38pm C.S.: MP3 and FLAC versions.
	5:38pm Sylvia (France-NYC): I don’t like how physical versions within album pages are displayed on Bandcamp, I think they’re hard to see
	5:39pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @5:33 Julie: band called Stressi maybe? or try the comp Satan In Love - Rare Finnish Synth-Pop & Disco 1979-1992 - it does have rather funny moments there...
	5:40pm Sylvia (France-NYC): @CS it’s probably the tracks themselves, maybe they haven’t been mastered or it’s just a choice by the artists (?)
	🦇 5:40pm Julie: oooh thanks Cha Cha!
	5:40pm C.S.: @ Julie I noticed many songs from Jenn Vix have vanished off the internet. A shame. Thought they were pretty good.
	🦇 5:41pm Julie: You can still get her CDs but her one-off singles and stuff yeah that's tricky. I'll see what's going on with her, if she put it somewhere else
	5:42pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: also Julie, anyone else, I hate call it "Finnish goth" but the 1983 album Peilitalossa by Musta Paraati - it is a classic, nuff said.
	5:42pm C.S.: @ Sylvia (France-NYC) Probably but if I'm paying money to buy their track rather than steal music, I'd love the best quality version.
	🦇 5:42pm Julie: Cha Cha, ahh got it!
	🦇 5:43pm Handy Haversack: Bandcamp has standards for the file type and quality of the uploads -- you can't just toss MP3s on there. So ... I can see variation in volume happening among different artists, but I don't think we're being sold a bill of goods.
	5:43pm C.S.: @ Julie yes, a lot of those singles that she put up for preview have gone. Dark Branches in Rain, You Are Sleep Walking, the original version of Strange Buildings...and many more.
	🦇 5:44pm Julie: i will definitely tell her she will be happy someone noticed!
	5:45pm C.S.: @Handy Haversack It doesn't happen very often but a couple of times the Youtube version of a song will have better sound quality than the Bandcamp version.
	5:45pm C.S.: @ Julie Thanks.
	5:46pm C.S.: Some of her songs would be good soundtrack material.
	🦇 5:47pm Julie: yes indeed!
	5:48pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: I do hope there are not that many mp3's or other lossy files sold as lossless (wav, flac etc.) - that does happen maybe at some fraudster sites, but I hope the artists check the audio before uploading to bandcamp. That said, I don't mind my regular dose of lo-fi, when intentional of course.
	5:52pm C.S.: Also hate it when an artist will put a track up on Bandcamp but then won't make it available for purchase because it was a demo, previously unreleased, etc.
	5:53pm C.S.: It's like shades of 1984...the track never existed. You never heard it. Stop trying to buy it.
	🦇 5:54pm Julie: if they are with a label that may be a contractual thing
	5:54pm C.S.: Could be. One song in particular featured a totally different singer so I wonder if there was some drama there too.
	5:57pm C.S.: David Vanian from The Damned had a project called the Phantom Chords and their first album which I thought was nice remains unreleased by Polydor as an acetate. A shame when good music is held hostage and in danger of disappearing forever.
	5:57pm northguineahills: I’m not sure how (probably gifted by a roommate), but I have a Xeno and Oaklander rekkid....
	🦇 5:57pm Julie: indeed!
	🦇 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Accomplished some leaf raking on this lovely November day. I like that modern technology allows one to bring music along.
	5:59pm βrian: Dorie Greenspan, I should think.
	🦇 6:05pm Julie: ahh only greenspan I know is Alan
	🦇 6:08pm Handy Haversack: I missed the theme -- was making a drink. What do we have? Joes, I presume? Hmm. Topical, Julie. Ripped from the headlines!
	🦇 6:08pm Julie: hehe yep. I realized I have a TON of Joe songs.
	6:10pm βrian: If you want world peace: doriegreenspan.com...
	6:10pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: This must be from a off-air cassette, like I said, I love my lo-fi. The day when you know you're old when realise John Peel Show tragically stopped more than 16 years ago....
	🦇 6:11pm Julie: strangely I think the peel session all I have of them, will have to get a "real" album
	6:12pm Sylvia (France-NYC): nice theme Julie!
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: haha thanks Sylvia
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: I think i will do clothing next week, that sounds fun
	🦇 6:13pm Julie: although whoever suggested it may have defected over to Micah
	6:14pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: @6:11 Julie: sometimes a peel session is all an artist/a band has ever even done. They play pretty obscure Peel sessions (& other BBC stuff) sometimes at BBC's 6 music live hour, if not lately.
	6:14pm Sylvia (France-NYC): clothing should be fun, there’s a lot to choose from I suspect
	🦇 6:15pm Julie: I probably should not play the Edith Pop Shoes song yet again.. I play it so much!
	🦇 6:16pm Julie: I can only think of a couple off hand but I'm sure I will find a lot
	6:17pm Debbie Downer Cha Cha 2000: Oh my, this song. Like me reminiscing about Pink Floyd's Murderistic Women, Joe The Lion is also one of 11-year-old me taping songs off the radio while should be sleeping, shhh mum must not find out...
	🦇 6:17pm Handy Haversack: I am already thinking it's a great reason to play "Famous Blue Raincoat" and "Angst in My Pants"! (I suggested it -- I was feeding the monsters!)
	🦇 6:17pm Julie: it's always a good time for famous blue raincoat
	🦇 6:18pm Julie: No idea what she's saying about Joe but I like it
	6:19pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Did you have a "Tuesday" theme already?
	🦇 6:19pm Julie: some of it is english but not all unless I'm just not understanding her
	🦇 6:20pm Julie: I have not! But there's an idea too! thanks cha cha
	🦇 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I'm with you, Julie. I don't know what's going on exactly, but I liked it!
	🦇 6:21pm Julie: boy I wish these folks had made more albums
	🦇 6:23pm Julie: this song blows my mind, this is CHUCK?
	🦇 6:26pm Handy Haversack: Twiggy!
	🦇 6:29pm chris: biding my time. lolololol
	🦇 6:29pm Handy Haversack: It's chris! Twiggy summoned him!
	6:31pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Ha! I just realised I DON'T have many Joe songs on my collection. Dead Joe by Birthday Party, Joe bean by Johnny Cash, Hey Joe by Various artists, Cotton Eyed Joe (Karen Dalton version), Bowie's Joe The Lion, Nick Cave's Knockin' On Joe, Sting-Rays' Joe Strummer's Wallet. And that was all!
	6:32pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: plus yeah, PJ Harvey's Joe of course since you mentioned it! Helloooooooo Cannibal!
	6:32pm ?: joe birden
	6:33pm C.S.: Sounds like Julie is on safari.
	🦇 6:33pm chris: i mean i'm listening... just trying to concentrate on making money to send to wfmu :)
	🦇 6:34pm Handy Haversack: I am wonder whether Sisters of Mercy's "Ribbons" might fit into the clothes theme ... I guess "hoping it would" is more accurate, really.
	6:34pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: yay for Sisters Of Mercy!
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: i have literally never listened to this record even though I have it for ages
	6:40pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Tori & Genesis, I have listened to them every once in a while but never was that much into them before this show. Love both to bits nowadays!
	6:40pm Dean: I'll share here as I've shared more than once on a WFMU comment board that Patricia Morrison, one-time bass player for SoM and current spouse of Dave Vanian, mentioned upstream, used to drop by the record store where I worked in the late '70s. I, in turn, used to swing by the cosmetics counter at a department store in town where she worked. She was playing at the time with The Bags. Great band, really nice young lady.
	🦇 6:40pm Julie: cool!
	🦇 6:41pm Julie: dean you're a genesis-phile what you think of this album?
	6:42pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:39 Julie: recently acquired this one on vinyl! as well as Lamb lies... Foxtrot, Abacab, Genesis (1983), Selling England By The Pound... plus FELT, Tori Amos etc.
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: ah I will have to check out The Bags! girl punk, yes
	🦇 6:43pm Julie: Genesis is a fun album if you don't compare it to anything else by them.
	6:44pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:40 Dean: haven't heard much Bags but liked them of Decline Of Western Civilization. A pity Patricia was not on any Sisters Of Mercy recordings, even if she was the official bass player. I think there were no gigs either then.
	6:46pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:43 Julie: then again the first one is also very different to what they were known for, though obviously without the 80s cheesiness.
	6:46pm Dean: Girl punk, yes, inasmuch as Alice and Pat teamed up with Craig and Rob (whose ex-wife I used to ride home with from work on the bus). They were killer. By ...And Then There Were Three I was wearying of Collins-only Genesis, though I have the double live album they did around this time, and I only ever saw them live without Gabriel. I'm a big Lamb and Selling England fan, but also of the stuff from the beginning. Buddy of mine had a record store whose motto was Selling Records by the Pound. Patricia did appear with the Damned, though, didn't she?
	🦇 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Ah, Dolores, Sounds great. I;m about to get into it with cooking, so I'll thank you now, Julie for another wonderful show and for hosting the best party a person can find on a Tuesday. In case I'm wrist-deep in vegetables when next it comes. BUT DAMN was I hoping you would play this song! You are the best! Be well, all!
	🦇 6:46pm Julie: thanks Handy! Take care!
	6:47pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: How could I forget I Had a Dream, Joe! Wasn't Joe (at least in some cases) his father Joseph Cave? Died in a car crash.
	6:48pm spodiodi: see you Handy!
	🦇 6:48pm Julie: cha cha you mentioned it!
	6:49pm Sylvia (France-NYC): thanks for the show and the chat Julie and birdies, goodnight!🌙
	6:49pm βrian: I kid you not about those peace cookies, by the way.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: nite nite Sylvia!
	🦇 6:50pm Handy Haversack: Why do I think "all dressed up in your ridiculous seersucker suit" is one of the best lines in rock history?
	6:50pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: except this was a bunch of misinformation I heard at some point or another - just checked Colin Frank Cave, not Joseph, was Nick Cave's dad.
	6:51pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:50 Handy Haversack: Under assitant west coast promotion man by the stones? or where it is from? a cool line indeed.
	6:54pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: I blame tinnitus I did not hear that "seersucker" line in that Nick Cave song - please never ask me to your pub quiz team!
	6:54pm spodiodi: thanks, Julie! see you all next time
	🦇 6:55pm Handy Haversack: You're already on the team, Cha Cha!
	6:56pm northguineahills: Thanks Julie and birds!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: yes I picked Cher over Hendrix because too predictable
	6:56pm KWilde: Thanks Julie! Just caught the last hour
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: thanks K Wilde!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: thanks for listening everyone!
	6:56pm βrian: Now, if Joe had been offered one or two of those peace cookies, things would've been different.
	6:57pm KWilde: Glad I tuned in
	🦇 6:57pm chris: damn fine version of Hey Joe. thanks for the great show, Julie! again, best wishes to all! :)
	6:58pm still b/p: btw -- the Bidin' My Time by Herman's Hermits is a different song, not the one Twiggy did. But in the movie clip of those Hermits doing the other one......ridiculous cowboy hats! So all must watch. Before them, Judy Garland did it on film with a passel o' cowpokes, too.
	🦇 6:58pm Julie: mmm cookies. take care everyone stay safe and reasonable sane!
	🦇 6:58pm Julie: ooooh thanks still I didn't realize!
	6:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:55 Handy Haversack: if you want your pub quiz team to be called Mount Embarrassment :)
	6:59pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Wait is 7pm est already! Thanks Julie and all of you! Good Night!

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