WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from November 19, 2020

Listener comments!
	9:01am YETI BOB: good morning Trouble and the troubled ones
	9:01am Trouble: good morning thursday modern peoples!
	9:01am WFMU listener John: Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:02am dougseidel: welcome to sunny earth
	9:02am common: trouble, all
	9:02am Handy Haversack: Good bright Thursday, Trouble and all the Troubled. YB, how are you feeling?
	9:05am TDK60: Morning Trouble. Do I dare try chanting without training?
	9:05am YETI BOB: @Handy: Thanks for asking. The situation is not great, I just found out that a friend who I saw last week - who was supposed to be 16 days post-recovery - is now in the hospital with a 103°F fever. I'm still waiting for my test result but I'm feeling very run-down & exhausted and achy.
	9:06am YETI BOB: It's a bit ironic because I've been so careful. I haven't been seeing many people at all, I saw this one old friend to give him a bit of moral support & I might have gotten infected then.
	9:07am Adrian in London: Good day Trouble and listeners. I've had that Left Banke song you played last week in my head for seven days straight so thanks for that!
	9:07am Trouble: things could be worse @adrian...
	9:08am WFMU listener john: @YB hope your test comes back negative
	9:08am Handy Haversack: Ugh, YB, that's really hard. I wish I could do something from this remove to help. If there's anything I can provide, please reach out.
	9:08am dougseidel: bob: I hope you fell better soon!
	9:08am YETI BOB: @HH: You're doing it right now, thanks. It's beautiful to know that there are people out there who care.
	9:08am TDK60: Yeti, hope you can rest and get well.
	9:10am YETI BOB: @TDK60: Thanks. Resting is all I've been doing since Monday.
	9:10am melinda: hi all!
	9:10am Emily: Good Morning
	9:11am WFMU listener John: @YETI BOB as a newish chatter on here, I have noticed that the fellow chatters are a caring bunch of people
	9:11am WFMU listener John: @Emily morning @Melinda morning
	9:12am Trouble: so sorry to hear, @yeti bob. zinc and vitamin C, these vitamins can help against this virus
	9:12am Adrian in London: @Trouble looks around Oh, things are a lot worse! ;-)
	9:12am YETI BOB: @John: It's true, there are some really great folks here. WFMU has been a refuge. Except when I woke up in the middle of the night last night and Bill Zebub was on, hahaha!
	9:12am Peter from Dover NJ: Good morning everyone. Yeti Bob: hoping for the best.
	9:13am YETI BOB: @trouble: Thanks for the tip, I'll load up on zinc and ascorbic acid.
	9:14am WFMU listener john: @YETI BOB try not to listen to the overnight shows need my beauty sleep:)
	9:17am YETI BOB: @John: Not only nice and caring, but they really know a lot too. I've gotten some awesome music and film suggestions - the other day I got a tip about Skúli Sverrisson, who I somehow missed all these years. It was very comforting to listen to that, thanks Woods!
	9:18am WFMU listener john: &YETI BOB one more thing, also there are a lot of knowledgeable people on the accu
	9:19am YETI BOB: Yup!
	9:20am Dances with Moomins: Good modern Thursday to the Troubled, far and wide.
	9:20am WFMU listener john: @YB cery cool from woods
	9:20am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB You're more than welcome! A few years ago, my wife was actually working up here in Maine and I was back in NH. (I would be a weekend road warrior). During the week I would put on one of those two Sverrisson albums on to listen to as I fell asleep.
	9:20am WFMU listener john: I meant very cool
	9:21am Phillippe Bastille: good morning
	9:21am adampsyche: good morning i love this song, i think small change and blt played it during a duane train fill in once
	9:21am Irene: Good morning, Trouble folk! YETI BOB, sorry to hear about your exposure. I know we've been careful within our household but it's those occasional meetings that are worrisome. Out of an abundance of caution, we just cancelled our T-day plans with dear friends upstate. This all makes me very sad.
	9:21am WFMU listener john: Morning PB
	9:21am Buddha of Suburbia: Trouble, you always put out such cool stuff!! Hey buddies!
	9:22am adampsyche: hang in yeti bob, get some of that rest they talk about
	9:22am Trouble: merci @ buddha of suburbia!
	9:23am karlward: The Jonny Greenwood comp is so good!
	9:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Being careful: last Friday we had a guy come here to clean/inspect our woodstove. He was masked but it still freaked us out a little. We had the windows open and a big circulating fan going. Stayed out of the main part of the house for two hours after he left. Was that the right thing to do? Who knows?!!
	9:23am Phillippe Bastille: Hey John! Yeti Bob, you better feel well soon! We order you!
	9:23am YETI BOB: @Woods: While I was looking around last night I found this: www.newvelle-records.com... - a Bill Frisell / Skúli Sverrisson collaboration. But it's on this ultra-boutique label and the only way to get it is part of a $400 "season" (box set of 6 LPs). Oh, and it's out of print too... but the one sample you can hear on the website is pretty great.
	9:24am WFMU listener John: @Woods better safe then sorry
	9:24am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB" (* must......not..........look....*)
	9:25am WFMU listener John: @YB will send lots of pixie dust your way
	9:26am YETI BOB: @Woods: You should listen to the sample track - it's actually a video of Bill and Skúli in the studio, very well-shot. And you can read the liner notes online, which include a great story about how Jim Jarmusch just popped by for lunch during the recording (of course he did!)
	9:28am Handy Haversack: Woods, I found that El Pais article that you linked to a couple of weeks ago to be very clear about accretive risk and what situations are most dangerous. My guess is -- unless you were in there unmasked with him for over an hour, you're OK. Obvs., one takes the most precautions possible! But it seems like ventilation, masks, and limited time are all good measures toward risk limiting. We had a friend come back to NYC from LA, where he was pretty isolated. It was a real point of contention that he thought once he was back here among his friends, we'd all "cling to our humanity" by hanging out inside at one another's apts. this winter. Kate and I had to make it clear that we don't think that's safe and are willing to hang out outside but that's as far as it goes. It's still almost unreconcilable -- he doesn't see our POV and we think his is just wrong.
	9:30am Handy Haversack: @Trouble: Fabio did his (numbered) 30th plague broadacst last week and had three weeks before he was set up do so and one fill-in: so I guess this is week thirty-five.
	9:30am Lisboner Pasc: Greetings from Paris, what a great first set! Thanks Trouble :-)
	9:31am WFMU listener John: @Handy i for one am glad the DJs can do live from their homes makes things semi normal
	9:32am Phillippe Bastille: @Handy @Woods we're struggling with the same issues just with family members. Our oldest son owns a car repair business and auto dealership, so he's meeting people all day long; my youngest has a smoldering romance with a woman who lives with 6 other people (all grad students) and since she doesn't have a car, he's always over there.
	9:33am YETI BOB: @HH: My friend who may have infected me has been going through a really rough time and he told me that since he contracted COVID and recovered nobody would see him. I've been careful to the point of paranoia, I've even lost a few friends over differing COVID attitudes. His doctors told him he was clear, so I spent a little time with him (indoors). Now I think that was a mistake, but I thought I was acting out of "humanity".
	9:33am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Will definitely check it out.
	9:34am Peter from Dover NJ: Handy, 9:28. You can't be too careful. We aren't doing Thanksgiving or Christmas. A friend called to go hiking a month ago. He said, we can go in my minivan with my posse. And I said no. Not riding in a car with 5 strangers, I don't know what they been doing.
	9:34am YETI BOB: you can be careful for 8 months, then you make one mistake and you're sick
	9:34am Irene: Me too, Bob. Having WFMU DJs hosting live shows has helped save my sanity all these months. And because I WFH, I can listen more often to my favorites, like Trouble!
	9:35am TDK60: Handy. Bonjour. My calendar says this is Week 36 furloughed. / Your friend doesn't seem very scientific to say the least.
	9:35am Trouble: Bienvenue et merci @lisboner Parc
	9:35am Buddha of Suburbia: Yeti Bob, I hope you're okay. How are you feeling? Maybe you don't have it. I really hope you're okay.
	9:36am Handy Haversack: @TDK60 -- and he's a scientist! Trust me, I pointed that out!
	9:36am YETI BOB: @Boods: I feel pretty bad. I've been trying to tell myself that maybe it's just the seasonal flu. Waiting for that test result, should be today or tomorrow.
	9:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): This station and the DJs have definitely helped to pad my sanity.
	9:38am Irene: YETI BOB, that's so sad about your friend. I try to keep in touch especially with friends who are isolated on a regular basis through video calls. Even if we can't get together the check in is so important to both.
	9:39am TDK60: Handy, he really thinks it's less contagious in Brooklyn than LA??!!!!!
	9:39am Crei6hton: Morning WFMU!
	9:40am Adrian in London: Loving the music today, as always, but it's keeping me going right now.
	9:40am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Black Thought is the bomb.
	9:40am sphere: "from particle to wave"--that's a pretty awesome lyric.
	9:41am Handy Haversack: I think Thanksgiving is also going to bring out a lot of people who were willing to isolate until they really don't want to. This seems like a very good year for people to take a step back from Thanksgiving and ask themselves what they have been celebrating and why. YB, arrrrrrgh, that is so rough!
	9:41am sphere: hullo. i hope the best for you, YETI BOB.
	9:41am Phillippe Bastille: hey sphere, long time no see
	9:42am TDK60: This year I have /TWO/ reasons to avoid "Thanksgiving." Yes!!
	9:42am sphere: hey Phillippe! yeah, new job has been messing with my FMU listening habits.
	9:42am YETI BOB: thanks for the outpouring of sympathy and suggestions, everyone. i'm happy to talk about topics other than COVID :)
	9:43am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy Yep. We'll be doing hangouts/facetime for Thanksgiving. I continue to be amazed at how Americans can cling to their ignorance, even in the face of death. Maybe I should stop being surprised.
	9:44am WFMU listener John: &Sphere there is that four letter word:)
	9:45am YETI BOB: @Woods: "Clinging to ignorance" sounds pretty all-American to me.
	9:45am Irene: Handy, yesterday NY Gov. Cuomo said something to the effect of, "I love you, and that's why I'm not going to see you on Thanksgiving." (not his exact quote) Good advice, I think.
	9:46am melinda: this is lovely
	9:46am Handy Haversack: Hey, sphere. Good to see you. ¡Melenas! ¡Que bueno!
	9:47am Handy Haversack: melinda, this whole album is excellent. They're from Pamplona!
	9:47am YETI BOB: @Woods: We might as well bring back the old Know-Nothing party from the 19th century (populist, anti-immigration)
	9:49am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yes. Was reading something in The New Yorker about political divisions and there was bit about how delusion had become mainstream. It's really distressing and I really don't see how it can be fixed.
	9:50am Adrian in London: This Melenas track is lovely!
	9:51am cl@m_digger: Great pick I am have been play ela minus heavy recently
	9:51am ifeelfatnsassy: Clicky. Star.
	9:51am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble I posted this during Clay's show but I thought you might be interested. Patti Smith is doing a livestreamed show the day after Thanksgiving: pattismith.veeps.com...
	9:52am EricResponsible: My four year old just asked me to add this Ela Minus track to her playlist...
	9:53am Trouble: thanks for mentioning that @woods...
	9:53am Trouble: @eric...THAT is a very smart 4 year old!!!
	9:54am SHAGALOV: ♡⇢everybody!
	9:54am wizard frog: We're all gonna be working for that 4 year old one day haha
	9:54am EricResponsible: It'll fit in nicely between The Wiggles and TMBG.
	9:54am mariano: Now I can answer the question I'm asked nearly every day: "Hey bub, you lookin' for trouble?" Hey Trouble, Crew, troubled children... gang's (almost) all here, greetings! YETI BOB: sorry to hear about your friend, best hopes for him and you. Back in June I had a pretty serious cold and I freaked the eff out till I got the results so I know the feeling.
	9:54am sphere: @ Handy: nice to see you too, :)
	9:55am YETI BOB: @Woods: I used to eat a lot of acid and I'd walk around telling people that "we all create our own reality". But when George Bush said "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" I had to stop saying that!
	9:57am TDK60: I have an idea: spend billions (instead of war) on remedial ed. for adults. History, science, ya know?
	9:58am Handy Haversack: It's a thought, TDK60. It's a thought.
	9:58am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @TDK60 We can't do that. It's socialism. I read it on the internet.
	9:59am wizard frog: 🦉
	9:59am melinda: @Yeti Bob Thomas Frank has a book out about how populism has been redefined over the decades to mean something different than its original usage, I've heard interviews w/him and it sounds good.
	10:00am common: owls are the best
	10:00am ami ad: Hello DJ. Hello all. Chirps from Brooklyn.
	10:00am Webhamster Henry: The little owl is up in Saugerties at a Wildlife Rescue Center.
	10:00am βrian: We've been hearing from the owls in our neighborhood quite a bit lately.
	10:01am WFMU listener John: @YETI BOB one more thing before i have to get going i have noticed a lot of teachers listen to this station and that really raises the iq on here
	10:01am Webhamster Henry: No French Owl call records?
	10:01am Matt Warwick: 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
	10:01am YETI BOB: @TDK60: When I was in high school the gov't was pushing physics pretty hard - because we were still feeling embarrassed by being beaten into space by Sputnik. There was a moment when we were valuing science, but it was for all the wrong reasons - it was so we could beat the Russians, not so we could, like, know stuff just because knowledge is good. en.wikipedia.org...
	10:02am Buddha of Suburbia: Poor cute owl. Happy to hear Matt got a little pupper. Spiders are sweet and good insects
	10:02am wizard frog: 🦉 ❤️ 🕷
	10:02am Roberto: Spiders are not insects, but they do eat them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
	10:02am Buddha of Suburbia: This is so lovely!!
	10:02am Handy Haversack: Can I be sent to a wildlife-rescue center upstate? Hey, ami. Good chirpin' out.
	10:03am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy You'll do anything to get out of rakin' the leaves.
	10:03am Peter from Dover NJ: Great show today, Trouble
	10:04am TDK60: ..ya know, get folks reading 'bout Louis Pasteur, or Audre Lord. But I suppose that would be tyrannical. So...
	10:04am βrian: "Les hululements des hiboux," says Monsieur BirdMan.
	10:06am Trouble: gracias @peter...
	10:06am ami ad: @Handy Haversack:Chirps ahoy. How's the north side holding in?
	10:07am wizard frog: sounds like someone is poking the synth
	10:08am Handy Haversack: Still cold, apparently, ami! But I'm going top bundle up, walk the dog back and forth over the bridge, and then sit in the car for an hour and a half until the parking cops go past.
	10:09am Trouble: it is shocking how little history we teach our high school students in the US. one year of US history, (hardly gets them to the vietnam war) and one year of 'world history'. no wonder people end up ignorant and selfish, they have no interaction with others and never learn to be empathetic
	10:10am sphere: It makes me wonder if parents want their kids to be ignorant so they can mold the children in their image.
	10:10am TDK60: Were there mask-deniers during the 1918 flu? (Shoulda been called the Kansas flu, not "Spanish".)
	10:10am ami ad: @Handy:Busy day,stay safe out there.
	10:11am Barbara in PA: You're welcome anytime, Handy :)
	10:11am sphere: @ TDK60: Actually, I have read that anti-maskers were a huge problem in 1918.
	10:11am βrian: The one is the Orange Crown Flu.
	10:11am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Those "world history" classes are total bs/propaganda too. They didn't mention important things like the Revolutions of 1848
	10:11am Renato P: Amazing seqüência!!!!
	10:12am Lucky: I had zero years of world history.
	10:12am sphere: www.history.com...
	10:12am TDK60: sphere - thanks! Was just wondering. / Ya know, this gets overwhelming; think I'll emulate Adrian in Londonwich and really get into the tunes..
	10:13am Trouble: gracias@renatap!
	10:14am ianm: are you teaching this year, Trouble?
	10:15am Handy Haversack: Barbara! efd played the Passions last night, and Kate and I were so happy to hear it and thinking of you! Be careful, or we'll take you up on it and come to the woods until our wings heal!
	10:15am YETI BOB: @sphere, TDK60 - Re: 1920 - Did you see the hilarious fake letter supposedly written by F. Scott Fitzgerald where he complains about Ernest Hemingway not wearing a mask? "At this time, it seems very poignant to avoid all public spaces. Even the bars, as I told Hemingway, but to that he punched me in the stomach, to which I asked if he had washed his hands. He hadn’t. He is much the denier, that one." Not real but very funny! www.mcsweeneys.net...
	10:15am Peter from Dover NJ: @ Trouble 10:09. Completely agree. What history gets taught is taught to advance the desires of the ruling class. Signing off for now, be safe everyone.
	10:15am TDK60: David in London been around of late?
	10:16am Handy Haversack: He was around yesterday, TDK, and I had an e-mail from him this morning.
	10:16am Cmurtha: I'm not into conspiracy theories, but as a college educator the failure of U.S education is very much a feature, not a flaw. Very unfortunate. But, one must remember that mandatory education was meant to get young men ready to die in factories, government offices, or battlefield, and women were educated in so much as a good mother made more good mothers/good soldiers so its all about indoctrination of Nationalism. Now that nation states have lost their purpose in a globalizing world I think you are seeing the backlash and crisis caused by the slow death of 19th century systems. Time will tell though.
	10:16am Cmurtha: Also hello everyone.
	10:16am Trouble: yes i am teaching @ianm. from home, my school is virtual right now. I have been teaching from home since march. Working 3 times as hard as in person...I feel for my poor students who are so isolated
	10:17am Toothgrinder Tom: Walker Percy the novelist was of the opinion that the only real learning is self-directed learning.
	10:17am mei2ti3: nice set, this
	10:18am mariano: TDK: David and I just traded emails earlier, all seems well.
	10:19am Trouble: thanks!@me12ti3
	10:19am TDK60: Tom, yeah, I knew an old house painter, self educated in history, quite the radical and a union man.
	10:20am Listener Gregory: The music is all very contemplative today. But do I want to contemplate?
	10:22am Listener Gregory: I heard advice on the radio this morning telling us not to let moose lick our cars. This is just one more thing to worry about.
	10:22am Buddha of Suburbia: I love this music so much. Thanks for all you do, dear Trouble. Ken and you have the playlists! I am heading out. Bye gang!!! Yeti, wishing you healing and blessings in abundance. Bye gang! Au revoir mes amis!
	10:23am TDK60: Au revoir Buddha. Yes the music is swell.
	10:24am YETI BOB: @cmurtha: I completely agree with you but I think things like this aren't really conspiracies - it's more systemic, a result of history
	10:24am Trouble: merci!@buddha....
	10:24am Buddha of Suburbia: It really is just wonderful!
	10:24am ianm: Oh, wow. They're lucky to have you. I feel for the isolated too. It's been so hard. The women in my life are working too much (full-time jobs, school planning on the weekends, homework and meals in the afternoon). Why does the gov ignore our pain?
	10:24am Slaboch: Really loving this set!
	10:24am mariano: Bye Buddha! Toothgringder Tom: my mom's college roommate was Walker Percy's daughter.
	10:25am Buddha of Suburbia: Bye Mariano!
	10:25am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Anti-intellectualism has always been around, but to me if feels like it has exploded in the last few decades.
	10:25am Renato P: Cartola!!! Amazing!!! Thank you greetings from Brazil
	10:25am Cmurtha: @yeti of course, the conspiracy I was referring to was all the de-funding of education and sabotaging going on now. Its a conspiracy in the same way many blatant, yet plausibly deniable things are. That was unclear on my part though.
	10:25am ianm: The bassline and cymbals in that Alpha song reminded me of Massive Attack but fresher
	10:26am Handy Haversack: (Though Walker Percy, much as I like him, had the advantage of being a white dude in the South, which makes self-educating a mite easier than for some others.) Hey, Toothgrinder Tom! Bye, Boodz! Woods: It's been weaponized. "Conspiracy" might overstate, but there is a definite strategy -- as cmurtha says.
	10:26am Yes: hey y'all
	10:28am YETI BOB: @Cmurtha: Understood
	10:28am Buddha of Suburbia: Later Handy! If you hear from Knormalish before me please send her all my love. We listen to another station on Fridays from 8-10pm on MasterZ Radio with a chatroom if you'd like to stop by.
	10:28am Trouble: good morning @slaboch! merci!
	10:29am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and free-thinking freeform formation.
	10:30am Toothgrinder Tom: @mariano no kidding!
	10:33am Toothgrinder Tom: @Handy Haversack howdy! Nice show today, Ms DJ.
	10:34am Trouble: merci@ toothgrinder...
	10:35am mariano: Handy: yeah, my mom's Walker Percy story involves going with his daughter up to Covington for lunch to try "Walker's famous chicken," which was prepared and cooked by his maids, though he turned each piece over on the grill one time to make it official. Still, hell of a writer.
	10:36am poor lost owl: love this set since 10a - just the perfect healing vibe I need today
	10:37am Trouble: i am buying books for everyone for christmas this year. trying to keep my local indy store alive...any non fiction recommendations for my brother in law who likes to know everything? he reads lots of contempo stuff from the library, so i need a deep non fiction title. sister in law says he likes history, etc
	10:37am Trouble: thanks@poorlostowl!
	10:38am sphere: How about "The Toaster Project: Or a Heroic Attempt to Build a Simple Electric Appliance from Scratch"
	10:38am Handy Haversack: Covington is where Kate's mom's roommate is from/lives, Mariano -- the other place in LA we have an invite to. @Trouble, China Miéville's /October/, about the Russian Revolution, is excellent.
	10:38am sphere: It's a lot harder than it sounds!
	10:39am TDK60: Trouble, maybe some W.E.B. Du Bois if he hasn't read him, yet.
	10:41am karlward: Love Goes to Buildings on Fire by Will Hermes is great. Can't Stop Won't Stop by Jeff Chang is also great, the chapter on dub's influence on the Bronx is one of my favorite pieces of music writing. I loved Seabiscuit by Laura Hillenbrand (so good, so much better than the movie). James Gleick's book The Information is a deep but accessible history of the information age.
	10:41am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble Lentil Underground - Liz Carlisle (alternate farming out west) Baseless - Nicholson Baker (freedom of information act follies) and the best thing I've read in the past couple of years: Year Of The Monkey - Patti Smith (part memoir, part fever dream)
	10:43am ami ad: @Trouble:Hama Tuma - The Case of the Socialist Witchdoctor and other stories.
	10:43am ianm: @Trouble www.hup.harvard.edu... en.wikipedia.org...
	10:44am Nick S.: I always thought Golden Silvers were going to be huge! What happened? Hey, Trouble!
	10:45am mariano: Handy: yeah, it's right across Lake Pontchartrain. Well, it's 24 miles via the Causeway, which used to be/still is the longest bridge of its kind in the world. The area's generally called the North Shore, which includes towns like Mandeville as well. sphere: I've wondered before how far one can get technologically just using things found in nature. It's pretty simple to make a battery with a lemon, though I guess you'd need to mine/smelt some copper and zinc. And of course it'd be a sucky battery.
	10:45am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Remember this list? docs.google.com... - it's linked off my listener page - a huge list (too huge!) of books recommended by you and your listeners.
	10:45am YETI BOB: (it's editable if any of you want to add to it)
	10:46am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Right! I completely forgot about that.
	10:46am karlward: Godel Escher Bach by Douglas Hofstadter can be thought of as a history of self reference in math, art, and music. Plus it ends with Godel's proof of the incompleteness theorem, which finally blew up the notion that math and logic are capable of fully describing the universe.
	10:46am TDK60: I'm reading a book now -- 'The Explosion of Deferred Dreams, Musical Renaissance and Social Revolution in San Francisco, 1965-1975' by Mat Callahan. A look at the often obscured political context of the music, theater, radio Bay Area scene.
	10:47am sphere: @ mariano. yep. to save the planet in the long haul, i think eventually we will genetically engineer plants to replace electrical and building components.
	10:47am Trouble: my thoughts exactly @NickS. i troll them occasionally to see if they ended up in other bands. I loved that one record!!
	10:47am YETI BOB: That list is mostly fiction though - maybe I need to separate out the fic from the nonfic
	10:48am Slaboch: Seconding 'Lentil Underground' as the non-fiction book!
	10:48am mariano: YETI BOB: wow, I remember that list from a discussion on the Accu almost a year ago, really need to revisit!
	10:48am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @TDK60 Sounds along the same lines as Ted Gioia's Subversive History of Music (which I have but haven't read yet)
	10:48am thriftstoreleather: @Trouble Lake Antiquity by Brandon Downing BreakBeat Poets: New American Poetry in the Age of Hip Hop edited by Kevin Coval.... I recently checked out a copy of, African American Poetry 250 Years of Struggle and Song, edited by Kevin Young it's new, I've been enjoying it muchly!
	10:48am Nick S.: My guess is they were a bit too retro? These days if I love it it's probably NOT what young folk want to listen to.
	10:48am Trouble: thanks for that prompt@yetibob! there are so many good books listed here too. thank you!!
	10:49am YETI BOB: Trhing to think of the last good nonfic I read (I mostly read novels). It might have been "Einstein's Clocks and Poincare's Maps: Empires of Time" by Peter Galison, which is good if he's interested in the history of relativity.
	10:49am Trouble: does anyone know what this phrase means? or where it comes from? 'the good, the bad & the queen'
	10:50am TDK60: Woods, thanks for that suggestion. I'm about halfway thru the Callahan. Darn interesting.
	10:50am Lucky: Now this is a great set.
	10:50am Trouble: gracias@lucky...
	10:51am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Gioia is a great writer. His book on the blues is really good. He was my editor at the short-lived jazz.com.
	10:51am sphere: I think The Good, The Bad & The Queen was a one-off album by a "supergroup."
	10:52am ami ad: @mariano:Hello,did a moving job to Covington many years ago,somewhere off Bootlegger Rd.
	10:53am YETI BOB: I'm a major fan of "Memoirs from Beyond the Grave" by Chateaubriand - one of my favorite memoirs ever. But certain parts of it are probably made-up, like his adventures with Native Americans in the 1780s, so it straddles the line between fiction and non. It's a fantastic book, Chateaubriand is sometimes considered the "father of romanticism" in French literature.
	10:54am Lucky: I thought it was a mash up of "for country, king, and quesn" (as in, "he died for...") and "the good, the bad, and the ugly"
	10:54am Yes: rip tony allen
	10:54am thriftstoreleather: totally putting that on hold @ the Berry @ YETI BOB
	10:55am mariano: Hey ami, what's up!
	10:56am YETI BOB: (he was an aristocrat, fled France after his brother was beheaded by revolutionaries, went first to England and then to the brand-new USA)
	10:57am steveo: I hear Trouble, Matt!
	10:57am YETI BOB: ((most of it is probably true but certain parts are very outlandish, like when he tries to climb up Niagara Falls))
	10:57am Handy Haversack: I have to take off to guard the car and walk the dog. I'll catch the last half hour on the car radio. Thanks, Trouble! Fantastic show today. Much appreciated. Be well, all!
	10:57am TDK60: That Good, Bad outfit had a speed-up. Often I don't like speed-ups, but this one was okay.
	10:57am YETI BOB: see ya later Handy!
	10:57am mariano: Take care, Handy!
	10:58am Irene Trudel: Must dash to a staff meeting. Thanks for all the great music and discussion, Trouble!
	10:58am Adrian in London: Just a play on The Good The Bad and the Ugly, I think
	10:58am Toothgrinder Tom: The Good, the Bad and the Snuggly.
	10:58am TDK60: Handy, don't let Bagpipe take /you/ for a walk.
	10:58am Irene Trudel: Wishing all good health today as well!
	10:58am ?: Brit here! Not a quote or reference to anything historical that I know of (but then again I don't know much!)
	10:58am steveo: God save the ugly
	10:58am ami ad: @mariano:Still here,was in Manhattan Tuesday,no ice cream was had? How about you? Chickens still roam the streets?
	10:58am mariano: YETI BOB: I read a good article on Chateaubriand in the London Review of Books a year or so ago, should check out his memoirs. Bye Irene!
	10:59am enocaster: Yes, a play on the movie title – a cheeky way of calling the Queen ugly.
	11:01am mariano: ami ad: Haha! No chickens of late. Still kicking myself for not taking advantage of such a golden opportunity to ask it why it was crossing the road. I els que no volen veure: "those who do not want to see" -- very fitting for these times.
	11:01am Toothgrinder Tom: My plan is to knit all my Christmas presents.
	11:01am Jeffrey Davison: Book, not new, but great: The Other Paris, by Luc Sante.
	11:02am redbee: If he's a nature person... "Entangled Life" by Merlin Sheldrake, absolutely fascinating! (Spoiler alert, it's about fungi)
	11:02am βrian: I heard there was a new Harold McGee book, about the sense of smell.
	11:02am thatpatsmith: Nonfic: The Warmth of Other Suns. Isabel Wilkerson
	11:02am mei2ti3: luc sante rules
	11:03am Planet Tyler: Kim Stanley Robinson writes socialist utopia (sometimes) "Hard SF" which is great
	11:03am YETI BOB: @Mariano: I'll search for that LRB article. I think it's worth your time to read him, I found the book compelling, hard to put down, and really felt the presence of his spirit from across several centuries. The available translation in English is only the part (first 12 volumes) of his memoir, there's more in French, I don't know if there's a translation in the works. www.nyrb.com...
	11:03am thatpatsmith: Luc Sante does rule
	11:03am Aric: How old is the person that needs book ideas?
	11:03am Tobes: Non Fiction book recommendation Boom Town: The Fantastical Saga of Oklahoma City, Its Chaotic Founding... Its Purloined Basketball Team, and the Dream of Becoming a World-class Metropolis Sam Anderson
	11:04am The Oscar: Mornin'! Busy working, but I'd be remiss in my film-crit duties if I didn't let everyone know that Lovers Rock will go live on Prime this Sunday :)
	11:04am ZeeBee: Goodmorning Trouble and friends! greetings from New Mexico.
	11:04am YETI BOB: @redbee: Merlin Sheldrake - now there's a name. (I'm quite familiar with his dad!)
	11:04am βrian: @Aric: For whom the book is intended, you mean?
	11:05am Trouble: thanks @adrian! and @lucky!
	11:05am Aric: @Aric genau. Exactly.
	11:05am βrian: Non-fiction for 7-year olds is a category that's useful to me.
	11:06am Aric: Haha, I can't comment. @Brian, yes, how old is the person doing the reading?
	11:07am mariano: YETI BOB: Ohhh, maybe it was the NYRB article I was thinking of. I read both. For non-fiction, one of my favorites is a book on the history and racial politics of Mardi Gras in New Orleans called "The Lords of Misrule" by James Gill. I read it every year during Carnival (www.goodreads.com...).
	11:07am YETI BOB: it's Trouble's brother-in-law so probably older than 7
	11:07am redbee: @Yeti: Yes! The whole family seems to be delightful... seems like young Sheldrake's brother makes nature-related music of some kind or another
	11:07am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble Favorite fiction read this year: Last Night In Montreal - Emily St. John Mandel
	11:08am Trouble: @aric: my brother in law is in his late 50's but appears to have been born in the 1850's if you get my drift...
	11:08am YETI BOB: @mariano: NYRB press published the book, that's the link I sent you
	11:08am TDK60: Trouble, does he dress steampunk?
	11:09am Nardo: Currently jumping into Rick Perlstein's latest "Reaganland: America's Right Turn 1976-1980". Recommended.
	11:09am Cat Stacker: "I Got A Monster" Baynard Woods, Brandon Soderberg www.barnesandnoble.com... "The Sick Rose" Richard Barnett www.barnesandnoble.com... "Fashion Victims: Dangers of Dress Past and Present" primary sources, Alison Mathews David blackwells.co.uk...
	11:09am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Then he might really dig the Chateaubriand (covers the period 1768–1800)
	11:10am thriftstoreleather: Thanks for link @ YETI BOB. My library has a copy of the Memoirs of Chateaubriand.
	11:11am Julie Cummings: THe World of Yesterday by Stefan Zweig. It's a beautifully written memoir. Vienna.
	11:11am mariano: While on the NOLA theme, there's also "The Accidental City" by Lawrence Powell, which is becoming the definitive general history of the city (www.goodreads.com...). YETI BOB: Ah, I see, thanks. Responded before clicking the link!
	11:12am Trouble: good looking children's book@brian: libba: the magnificent musical life of elizabeth cotten with illus by tatyana fazlalizadeh ( the woman who does : stop telling women to smile)
	11:12am thriftstoreleather: I'm about to start The Cat's Cradle by Vonnegut
	11:12am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): I need to re-read all of Vonnegut. It's been years.
	11:12am Trouble: i mean that my brother in law is kinda stodgy.
	11:13am mariano: Trouble: your comment on your brother-in-law reminds me of a comment a British journalist made about a 92-year-old member of the House of Lords who made some highly embarrassing comment about gay rights. Paraphrasing: "Lord [whatever his name] is 92, but he thinks like a man twice his age."
	11:13am Cat Stacker: "Arcatecture: Swiss Cat Ladders" Brigitte Schuster Photographs of cat ladders. www.ideabooks.nl...
	11:13am mariano: Woods: yeah, I went on a big Vonnegut kick in the early 2000s. Such fun reads.
	11:14am Planet Tyler: Kim Stanley Robinson write socialist utopia (sometimes) Hard SF which is great.
	11:15am sphere: Another good big history is The Birth Of The Modern by Paul Johnson. It takes a rather interesting spin on the evolution of art, industry, and capitalism in Britain during the 18th and 19th centuries.
	11:16am Jeffrey Davison: Do Not Sell At Any Price, by Amanda Petrusich, about 78 record collectors. The Vanishing Velasquez, by Laura Cumming, an amazing true story about a 19th C. printer who bought a Velasquez at an estate sale, and how it completely changed the course of his life.
	11:16am sphere: this claude fontaine is awesome!
	11:17am p/b: late good morning FMUniverse - love from Bklyn
	11:17am thriftstoreleather: yeah, I want to to read them all this winter
	11:17am ZeeBee: I gotta run outta the house but dang this song and the light through the window are getting along so well!
	11:18am Trouble: good one @mariano
	11:18am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Jeffrey Davison Fantastic book.
	11:18am TDK60: P. Tyler, I've read some K.S. Robinson. His Mars Trilogy is something.
	11:18am mariano: Take care, ZeeBee!
	11:18am tim from champaign (now washington): @Mariano - I went to the Kurt Vonnegut library in Indianapolis a few years ago. It was pretty cool. His office set up was replicated right down to a half empty pack of camels.
	11:19am sphere: If we're talking science fiction, I just want to mention Gene Wolfe. So so so good.
	11:20am βrian: 54 degrees here. We have flung open the windows, though the screens do not have a N-95 rating.
	11:21am mariano: timFC: Wow, I'd love to go there. He's one of the few writers who can elicit completely involuntary bursts of laughter from me. Usually, even when I find writing incredibly funny and witty, I won't laugh out loud, or at most let out an anemic "Heh."
	11:22am Dawn the Librarian: Yes, I’m a librarian. And I primarily read nonfiction and graphic novels. So I’m recommending titles that cover both here- “Paying the Land” by Joe Sacco “Grass” - Keum Suk Gendry-Kim “They Called Us Enemy”- George Takei Also, non graphic novels (aka “regular books”)- “Fathoms”- Rebecca Giggs “I Contain Multitudes”- Ed Yong Plus link to NYT non fiction bestsellers - https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/paperback-nonfiction/
	11:22am βrian: "We'll always have Dresden."
	11:23am Trouble: @ brian : owl moon by jane yolen is the most gorgeous young peoples picture book.
	11:25am βrian: @Trouble: That's a perfect theme. Thanks. She already likes to imitate the calls of loons and owls.
	11:26am TDK60: Trouble: Bro-in-law is too "stodgy" for Du Bois?
	11:27am sphere: My favorite graphic novel is Neil Gaiman's Book of Magic. (note: it came out before Harry Potter.)
	11:27am Trouble: @brian:the boy who drew birds ( about audubon) is also a wonderful illustrated book.
	11:28am tim from champaign (now washington): @Mariano - It's worth the trip. Indianapolis can be a crossroads depending on where you're going so it's worth a stop. I'm reading William Burrough's 'Queer' right now. It's the first linear book I've read of his. I forgot how hilarious Burrough's can be.
	11:31am βrian: "Vertiginous retching horror" is a well used phrase in our household.
	11:31am Fletchernyc: Hi trouble!!!
	11:32am TDK60: I am meeting two different friends today. But only briefly and outdoors.
	11:32am wizard frog: Trouble 2024!
	11:33am sphere: @ TimFC - remember Burroughs' Thanksgiving Prayer? So grotesque and horrific and funny at the same time.
	11:33am don_laine: Trouble/Pseu 2024
	11:34am poor lost owl: my rec: Patti Smith's Year of the Monkey - good non-fiction escapism
	11:34am tim from champaign (now washington): @sphere - Thanks for the reminder! Timely too.
	11:34am PaulRobeson1920: A good non fiction book - Paul Robeson’s “Here I Stand” published 1958
	11:36am PaulRobeson1920: Unwise and untimely that book is not
	11:36am Adrian in London: I'm more fiction than non-fiction too but I really enjoyed The Cartiers by Francesca Cartier Brickell, about the family behind the jewellery company bookshop.org...
	11:36am Trouble: @tdk he's probably already read du bois. He is an serious all the time reader.
	11:37am Bryan: all of Burroughs is linear....all a perspective...everything now is cut up...and arranged accordingly...the news is given in the same order as Naked Lunch was written...
	11:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @tim from champaign: I didn't know he wrote a linear book!
	11:38am TDK60: ..and, just in case you haven't heard of her yet, Ursula K. LeGuin, sci-fi/fantasy.
	11:38am YETI BOB: @Woods: "Junky" (his first book) is a perfectly straightforward novel. So was "Queer" (his second, but not published until much later). The cut-up disjointed stuff came later.
	11:38am TDK60: ..and Octavia Butler.
	11:39am don_laine: If your bro into alternate religious history check out The Immortality Key by Muraresku. Discusses the tole psychadelics played in ancient religions and paleochristianity.
	11:39am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: I have "Naked Lunch" on my phone if I get stuck somewhere without reading material.
	11:39am YETI BOB: I also like "Exterminator" (short stories) and "The Adding Machine" (essays) by Burroughs. IMO you don't really have to read "Naked Lunch"
	11:40am YETI BOB: @Woods: more power to you, I never got very far with that book!
	11:40am sphere: Also Ann Leckie is a great SF author who is still writing very good stuff.
	11:40am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: It's a little like Finnegans Wake. You can read starting from anywhere.
	11:40am Carmichael: Heya Trouble and winners.
	11:41am mariano: Dawn the Librarian: Hmm, I don't see chinless Don Jr's book at the top of that non-fic list. I mean, just because his daddy leaned on the GOP to spend six figures on bulk orders, all of a sudden it doesn't count?
	11:41am PaulRobeson1920: “Soul by Soul: Life Inside the Antebellum Slave Market” by Walter Johnson. published 1999
	11:41am Sylvia (France-NYC): Hello Trouble, and all this has been a very pleasant show, thank you!
	11:42am TDK60: John Dos Passos' USA trilogy, good for a fiction look at early 2oth century US.
	11:42am PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller’s 1969 book “Operation Manual for Spaceship Earth”
	11:43am tim from champaign (now washington): A couple years ago I really got into Burroughs' cut up trilogy. Once I got into the rhythm (for lack of better words) I really enjoyed how the words worked together. King of like listening to music for how it sounds rather than focusing on verse chorus verse.
	11:43am Niall: That "Nani" song was incredible. It had that shambolic vibe I love about old Meat Puppets. Thanks!
	11:44am YETI BOB: @Woods: I can't argue! It's just not for me. I've read a bunch of other books by WSB though, and really liked them.
	11:45am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Oh, almost forgot. The latest book that Ferlinghetti put out is kind of amazing. It's a sorta-memoir, sorta-fabulist fiction.
	11:46am tim from champaign (now washington): I once ordered a pizza from a pizza joint in Chicago called Nova Express. I was disappointed because the pizza was perfectly normal and symmetrically sliced. Besides that, It tasted pretty good though once I got over the disappointment.
	11:46am sphere: @ TDK60: Did you know that John Brunner's SF classic Stand On Zanzibar borrows its structure from the USA trilogy?
	11:46am tim from champaign (now washington): I've been meaning to read that Woods! Thanks for the reminder. I'm putting it in my on deck circle right now.
	11:47am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yeah, I went through a phase of trying to get through "difficult" books. So that included Naked Lunch and also Gravity's Rainbow. The very last one I attempted was Infinite Jest. I gave up after a few hundred pages.
	11:47am poor lost owl: on my acquisition list (but not yet read): "The Golden Rhinoceros: Histories of the African Middle Ages" by Francois-Xavier Fauvelle
	11:47am TDK60: No sphere, thanks. Another one for the list.
	11:47am YETI BOB: (searching for "Nova Express Pizza" in Chicago - it's down on 79th, I've never been there.)
	11:48am tim from champaign (now washington): @Yeti - I was staying in Bronzville when I tried Nova Express.
	11:48am sphere: @ TDK60 - Zanzibar ages pretty well and it's a classic cyberpunk predecessor.
	11:49am YETI BOB: @Woods: I have read "GR" 3 times and "IJ" twice. They werent' difficult like "Naked Lunch" or "Finnegans Wake". Just long and complex. And I had some help from Douglas Fowler's "A Reader's Guide to "Gravity's Rainbow" "
	11:49am Niall: WoodsOfNH (now Maine) - may as well go for the hat trick and abandon "The Recognitions," too =)
	11:49am βrian: David Axelrod is so recognizable, though I don't know this piece.
	11:49am poor lost owl: speaking of psychedelics - (WFMU's own) Jesse Jarnow's book on the early psychedelic era also seems to have gotten excellent reviews
	11:50am sphere: If you are looking for another difficult book, might I suggest Samuel Delany's Dhalgren.
	11:50am TDK60: Poor lost owl, have we met? Good to see ya either way.
	11:51am Polyus: Well if this hasn't been about the perfect antidote to the doom and gloom blues today. Trouble has a finger firmly on the pulse.
	11:51am YETI BOB: I have a section on my bookshelf for "difficult" books I started but might never finish. "The Great Fire of London" by Jacques Roubaud. "Berlin Alexanderplatz" by Alfred Döblin. And, the inevitable copy of "Dhalgren".
	11:51am PaulRobeson1920: Your Brother in law is interested in History?
	11:52am YETI BOB: Also Robert Musil "The Man Without Qualities".
	11:52am Trouble: thanks @polyus: i'm trying to keep on keeping on
	11:52am PaulRobeson1920: “The historian and the climate of opinion” Compilation of essays by Robert Skotheim published 1969
	11:52am Yes: Thank you for today , trouble
	11:52am Tank Top: The slow jams have all been bangers today
	11:52am PaulRobeson1920: Historiography baby
	11:52am Trouble: yes@ paulrob... probably more ancient than not
	11:53am sphere: thanks Trouble, you have done wonders today.
	11:53am Trouble: slow jams are my jam right now. trying to deflate the anxiety
	11:53am mariano: poor lost owl: Wow, I didn't know Jesse Jarnow wrote a book! Will definitely look that one up, thanks for the mention!
	11:54am PaulRobeson1920: Ooo ancient history... Try Epictetus and all things related
	11:54am TDK60: Sound sound selectings today Trouble. Au revoir.
	11:54am tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Trouble!
	11:54am ami ad: Thank you DJ,Crew. Peace&Laugh.
	11:55am YETI BOB: I bailed on all the later Pynchon though - "Mason and Dixon" and "Against the Day" both rubbed me the wrong way.
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today, see you on thanksgiving!
	11:56am Carmichael: One of the greatest Kinks albums.
	11:57am mariano: Ohhhh, one of my favorite Kinks songs of all time! Such a beautiful opening, with the French horn (or whatever it is). Gorgeous. Thanks Trouble, wonderful show! Thanks to the ever-loyal Crew, take care folks!
	11:57am TDK60: ..and ending with the Kinks is just so.... Mod.
	11:57am waters7: I know that I've heard this song before but it sounds perfect today. Thank you!
	11:57am Carmichael: Substitute "British" with ...
	11:58am Trouble: merci@waters7! xo
	11:58am waters7: xo
	11:58am mariano: Carmichael: right? Every bit the equal (or more) of "Abbey Road," which came out the same year. One of the few concept albums that I think works 100% through.
	11:58am YETI BOB: @Woods: I felt a strong connection to David Foster Wallace, we were basically peers, same age, he was at Harvard the same time I was at MIT, and I think we may have crossed paths in Allston. I couldn't put "Infinite Jest" down.
	11:59am βrian: Coming up: Pseu's Thing With A Hook wfmu.org... Continental Subway wfmu.org...
	11:59am KWilde: Always loved Arthur
	11:59am YETI BOB: Bye! Thanks for the excellent music & chat today.
	11:59am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Man, I hated Infinite Jest. I mean, what I read of it...
	12:00pm YETI BOB: @Woods: We can still be friends :)
	12:00pm Spankyflop: Anything by Randall Monroe of xkcd fame is good for anyone who wants to know everything. Especially Thing Explainer.
	12:02pm TDK60: Spank, have we met?
	9:45am Johnny Cash Money: Gross

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from November 19, 2020

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November 19, 2020: shangri-la-la-la

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Format	New	Approx. start time
juliette greco	valse de l'au-revoir	Serge Gainsbourg, intoxicated man 1958-62				0:00:00 (Pop-up)
brian harnetty	another way "another way" by "brian harnetty"	the star faced one brian harnetty from the sun ra/el saturn archives				0:01:28 (Pop-up)
John Carroll Kirby	by the sea "by the sea" by "John Carroll Kirby"	my garden			*	0:04:32 (Pop-up)
erykah badu	umm hmm "umm hmm" by "erykah badu"	New Amerykah: Part Two (Return Of The Ankh)				0:09:14 (Pop-up)
angel bat dawid	no space fo us "no space fo us" by "angel bat dawid"	transition east			*	0:12:42 (Pop-up)
arthur russell	hollow tree "hollow tree" by "arthur russell"	another thought				0:16:12 (Pop-up)
scotty	clean race "clean race" by "scotty"	Johnny Greenwood Is The Controller v/a				0:18:39 (Pop-up)
The Heptones	only sixteen "only sixteen" by "The Heptones"	sweet talking				0:21:53 (Pop-up)

leila albayaty	little miss "little miss" by "leila albayaty"	dans le soleil				0:29:04 (Pop-up)
kutiman	maasai in dub "maasai in dub" by "kutiman"	wachaga in dub		Single	*	0:31:42 (Pop-up)
common	say peace featuring black thought			Single	*	0:35:59 (Pop-up)
made kuti	free your mind (radio edit)			Single	*	0:39:23 (Pop-up)
melenas	el tiempo ha pasado "el tiempo ha pasado" by "melenas"	Dias Raros			*	0:43:33 (Pop-up)
ela minus	they told us it was hard, but they were wrong	acts of rebellion	domino		*	0:47:23 (Pop-up)
sleeper & snake	miracles "miracles" by "sleeper & snake"	fresco shed				0:52:52 (Pop-up)

dom la nena	golondrina "golondrina" by "dom la nena"	SOYO				1:00:28 (Pop-up)
Pauline Anna Strom	marking time "marking time" by "Pauline Anna Strom"			Single	*	1:03:11 (Pop-up)
helado negro	November 7 "November 7" by "helado negro"	This Is How You Smile				1:08:06 (Pop-up)
ubaldo	le gui (i els que no volen veure)	casa			*	1:09:26 (Pop-up)
helado negro	Todo Lo Que Me Falta	this is how you smile				1:10:35 (Pop-up)
alpha	with "with" by "alpha"	come from heaven				1:16:30 (Pop-up)
bradley cohan	_3.10 ( feat sam wilkes)	studies, vol 1	phantom limb		*	1:18:26 (Pop-up)
cartola	que é feito de voce "que é feito de voce" by "cartola"	verde que te quero rosa				1:21:37 (Pop-up)
captain planet	new story "new story" by "captain planet"	no visa			*	1:24:17 (Pop-up)
joesef	does it make you feel good	does it make you feel good			*	1:27:33 (Pop-up)
kofi	me and love "me and love" by "kofi"	black...with sugar				1:30:28 (Pop-up)
cults	trials "trials" by "cults"	host			*	1:35:07 (Pop-up)
golden silvers	arrows of eros "arrows of eros" by "golden silvers"	true romance				1:38:20 (Pop-up)
tahiti 80	1,000 times "1,000 times" by "tahiti 80"	wallpaper for the soul				1:43:37 (Pop-up)
The Good, the Bad & the Queen	The Good, the Bad & the Queen	The Good, the Bad & the Queen				1:47:34 (Pop-up)

janet kay	lovin' you "lovin' you" by "janet kay"	janet kay: the definitive hits collection 1977-1984				2:01:51 (Pop-up)
79.5	facing east "facing east" by "79.5"	predictions				2:04:47 (Pop-up)
victoire scott	l'amour en couleur					2:08:24 (Pop-up)
Leo Clarens et Ses Rythmes Orienteaux	cha cha au harem	Cha Cha Au Harem: Orientica - France 1960/1964 v/a	born bad		*	2:12:37 (Pop-up)
claude fontaine	play by play "play by play" by "claude fontaine"	claude fontaine				2:14:19 (Pop-up)
isabelle de funès	jusqu'a la tombée du jour	TCHIC TCHIC: French Bossa Nova 1963/1974 v/a	born bad		*	2:18:17 (Pop-up)
louis phillipe & the night mail	the mighty owl	thunderstorms			*	2:21:07 (Pop-up)
Deep Sea Diver	Impossible Weight feat . Sharon Van Etten			Single	*	2:23:31 (Pop-up)
joe bataan	under the street lamp "under the street lamp" by "joe bataan"	young, gifted & brown				2:26:36 (Pop-up)

erasmo carlos	menina "menina" by "erasmo carlos"	erasmos carlos e os tremendões				2:33:30 (Pop-up)
stark reality	nani "nani" by "stark reality"	acting thinking feeling				2:36:17 (Pop-up)
snoh aalegra	i didn't mean to fall in love	ugh, those feels again				2:41:38 (Pop-up)
the left outsides	november on my mind	Are You Sure I Was There?			*	2:44:10 (Pop-up)
david axelrod	urizen "urizen" by "david axelrod"	Song of Innocence				2:46:10 (Pop-up)
thee sacred souls	weak for your love	Penrose Records vol 1 (V/A)				2:49:45 (Pop-up)
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Listener comments!
	9:01am YETI BOB: good morning Trouble and the troubled ones
	9:01am Trouble: good morning thursday modern peoples!
	9:01am WFMU listener John: Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:02am dougseidel: welcome to sunny earth
	9:02am common: trouble, all
	9:02am Handy Haversack: Good bright Thursday, Trouble and all the Troubled. YB, how are you feeling?
	9:05am TDK60: Morning Trouble. Do I dare try chanting without training?
	9:05am YETI BOB: @Handy: Thanks for asking. The situation is not great, I just found out that a friend who I saw last week - who was supposed to be 16 days post-recovery - is now in the hospital with a 103°F fever. I'm still waiting for my test result but I'm feeling very run-down & exhausted and achy.
	9:06am YETI BOB: It's a bit ironic because I've been so careful. I haven't been seeing many people at all, I saw this one old friend to give him a bit of moral support & I might have gotten infected then.
	9:07am Adrian in London: Good day Trouble and listeners. I've had that Left Banke song you played last week in my head for seven days straight so thanks for that!
	9:07am Trouble: things could be worse @adrian...
	9:08am WFMU listener john: @YB hope your test comes back negative
	9:08am Handy Haversack: Ugh, YB, that's really hard. I wish I could do something from this remove to help. If there's anything I can provide, please reach out.
	9:08am dougseidel: bob: I hope you fell better soon!
	9:08am YETI BOB: @HH: You're doing it right now, thanks. It's beautiful to know that there are people out there who care.
	9:08am TDK60: Yeti, hope you can rest and get well.
	9:10am YETI BOB: @TDK60: Thanks. Resting is all I've been doing since Monday.
	9:10am melinda: hi all!
	9:10am Emily: Good Morning
	9:11am WFMU listener John: @YETI BOB as a newish chatter on here, I have noticed that the fellow chatters are a caring bunch of people
	9:11am WFMU listener John: @Emily morning @Melinda morning
	9:12am Trouble: so sorry to hear, @yeti bob. zinc and vitamin C, these vitamins can help against this virus
	9:12am Adrian in London: @Trouble looks around Oh, things are a lot worse! ;-)
	9:12am YETI BOB: @John: It's true, there are some really great folks here. WFMU has been a refuge. Except when I woke up in the middle of the night last night and Bill Zebub was on, hahaha!
	9:12am Peter from Dover NJ: Good morning everyone. Yeti Bob: hoping for the best.
	9:13am YETI BOB: @trouble: Thanks for the tip, I'll load up on zinc and ascorbic acid.
	9:14am WFMU listener john: @YETI BOB try not to listen to the overnight shows need my beauty sleep:)
	9:17am YETI BOB: @John: Not only nice and caring, but they really know a lot too. I've gotten some awesome music and film suggestions - the other day I got a tip about Skúli Sverrisson, who I somehow missed all these years. It was very comforting to listen to that, thanks Woods!
	9:18am WFMU listener john: &YETI BOB one more thing, also there are a lot of knowledgeable people on the accu
	9:19am YETI BOB: Yup!
	9:20am Dances with Moomins: Good modern Thursday to the Troubled, far and wide.
	9:20am WFMU listener john: @YB cery cool from woods
	9:20am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB You're more than welcome! A few years ago, my wife was actually working up here in Maine and I was back in NH. (I would be a weekend road warrior). During the week I would put on one of those two Sverrisson albums on to listen to as I fell asleep.
	9:20am WFMU listener john: I meant very cool
	9:21am Phillippe Bastille: good morning
	9:21am adampsyche: good morning i love this song, i think small change and blt played it during a duane train fill in once
	9:21am Irene: Good morning, Trouble folk! YETI BOB, sorry to hear about your exposure. I know we've been careful within our household but it's those occasional meetings that are worrisome. Out of an abundance of caution, we just cancelled our T-day plans with dear friends upstate. This all makes me very sad.
	9:21am WFMU listener john: Morning PB
	9:21am Buddha of Suburbia: Trouble, you always put out such cool stuff!! Hey buddies!
	9:22am adampsyche: hang in yeti bob, get some of that rest they talk about
	9:22am Trouble: merci @ buddha of suburbia!
	9:23am karlward: The Jonny Greenwood comp is so good!
	9:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Being careful: last Friday we had a guy come here to clean/inspect our woodstove. He was masked but it still freaked us out a little. We had the windows open and a big circulating fan going. Stayed out of the main part of the house for two hours after he left. Was that the right thing to do? Who knows?!!
	9:23am Phillippe Bastille: Hey John! Yeti Bob, you better feel well soon! We order you!
	9:23am YETI BOB: @Woods: While I was looking around last night I found this: www.newvelle-records.com... - a Bill Frisell / Skúli Sverrisson collaboration. But it's on this ultra-boutique label and the only way to get it is part of a $400 "season" (box set of 6 LPs). Oh, and it's out of print too... but the one sample you can hear on the website is pretty great.
	9:24am WFMU listener John: @Woods better safe then sorry
	9:24am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB" (* must......not..........look....*)
	9:25am WFMU listener John: @YB will send lots of pixie dust your way
	9:26am YETI BOB: @Woods: You should listen to the sample track - it's actually a video of Bill and Skúli in the studio, very well-shot. And you can read the liner notes online, which include a great story about how Jim Jarmusch just popped by for lunch during the recording (of course he did!)
	9:28am Handy Haversack: Woods, I found that El Pais article that you linked to a couple of weeks ago to be very clear about accretive risk and what situations are most dangerous. My guess is -- unless you were in there unmasked with him for over an hour, you're OK. Obvs., one takes the most precautions possible! But it seems like ventilation, masks, and limited time are all good measures toward risk limiting. We had a friend come back to NYC from LA, where he was pretty isolated. It was a real point of contention that he thought once he was back here among his friends, we'd all "cling to our humanity" by hanging out inside at one another's apts. this winter. Kate and I had to make it clear that we don't think that's safe and are willing to hang out outside but that's as far as it goes. It's still almost unreconcilable -- he doesn't see our POV and we think his is just wrong.
	9:30am Handy Haversack: @Trouble: Fabio did his (numbered) 30th plague broadacst last week and had three weeks before he was set up do so and one fill-in: so I guess this is week thirty-five.
	9:30am Lisboner Pasc: Greetings from Paris, what a great first set! Thanks Trouble :-)
	9:31am WFMU listener John: @Handy i for one am glad the DJs can do live from their homes makes things semi normal
	9:32am Phillippe Bastille: @Handy @Woods we're struggling with the same issues just with family members. Our oldest son owns a car repair business and auto dealership, so he's meeting people all day long; my youngest has a smoldering romance with a woman who lives with 6 other people (all grad students) and since she doesn't have a car, he's always over there.
	9:33am YETI BOB: @HH: My friend who may have infected me has been going through a really rough time and he told me that since he contracted COVID and recovered nobody would see him. I've been careful to the point of paranoia, I've even lost a few friends over differing COVID attitudes. His doctors told him he was clear, so I spent a little time with him (indoors). Now I think that was a mistake, but I thought I was acting out of "humanity".
	9:33am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Will definitely check it out.
	9:34am Peter from Dover NJ: Handy, 9:28. You can't be too careful. We aren't doing Thanksgiving or Christmas. A friend called to go hiking a month ago. He said, we can go in my minivan with my posse. And I said no. Not riding in a car with 5 strangers, I don't know what they been doing.
	9:34am YETI BOB: you can be careful for 8 months, then you make one mistake and you're sick
	9:34am Irene: Me too, Bob. Having WFMU DJs hosting live shows has helped save my sanity all these months. And because I WFH, I can listen more often to my favorites, like Trouble!
	9:35am TDK60: Handy. Bonjour. My calendar says this is Week 36 furloughed. / Your friend doesn't seem very scientific to say the least.
	9:35am Trouble: Bienvenue et merci @lisboner Parc
	9:35am Buddha of Suburbia: Yeti Bob, I hope you're okay. How are you feeling? Maybe you don't have it. I really hope you're okay.
	9:36am Handy Haversack: @TDK60 -- and he's a scientist! Trust me, I pointed that out!
	9:36am YETI BOB: @Boods: I feel pretty bad. I've been trying to tell myself that maybe it's just the seasonal flu. Waiting for that test result, should be today or tomorrow.
	9:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): This station and the DJs have definitely helped to pad my sanity.
	9:38am Irene: YETI BOB, that's so sad about your friend. I try to keep in touch especially with friends who are isolated on a regular basis through video calls. Even if we can't get together the check in is so important to both.
	9:39am TDK60: Handy, he really thinks it's less contagious in Brooklyn than LA??!!!!!
	9:39am Crei6hton: Morning WFMU!
	9:40am Adrian in London: Loving the music today, as always, but it's keeping me going right now.
	9:40am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Black Thought is the bomb.
	9:40am sphere: "from particle to wave"--that's a pretty awesome lyric.
	9:41am Handy Haversack: I think Thanksgiving is also going to bring out a lot of people who were willing to isolate until they really don't want to. This seems like a very good year for people to take a step back from Thanksgiving and ask themselves what they have been celebrating and why. YB, arrrrrrgh, that is so rough!
	9:41am sphere: hullo. i hope the best for you, YETI BOB.
	9:41am Phillippe Bastille: hey sphere, long time no see
	9:42am TDK60: This year I have /TWO/ reasons to avoid "Thanksgiving." Yes!!
	9:42am sphere: hey Phillippe! yeah, new job has been messing with my FMU listening habits.
	9:42am YETI BOB: thanks for the outpouring of sympathy and suggestions, everyone. i'm happy to talk about topics other than COVID :)
	9:43am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy Yep. We'll be doing hangouts/facetime for Thanksgiving. I continue to be amazed at how Americans can cling to their ignorance, even in the face of death. Maybe I should stop being surprised.
	9:44am WFMU listener John: &Sphere there is that four letter word:)
	9:45am YETI BOB: @Woods: "Clinging to ignorance" sounds pretty all-American to me.
	9:45am Irene: Handy, yesterday NY Gov. Cuomo said something to the effect of, "I love you, and that's why I'm not going to see you on Thanksgiving." (not his exact quote) Good advice, I think.
	9:46am melinda: this is lovely
	9:46am Handy Haversack: Hey, sphere. Good to see you. ¡Melenas! ¡Que bueno!
	9:47am Handy Haversack: melinda, this whole album is excellent. They're from Pamplona!
	9:47am YETI BOB: @Woods: We might as well bring back the old Know-Nothing party from the 19th century (populist, anti-immigration)
	9:49am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yes. Was reading something in The New Yorker about political divisions and there was bit about how delusion had become mainstream. It's really distressing and I really don't see how it can be fixed.
	9:50am Adrian in London: This Melenas track is lovely!
	9:51am cl@m_digger: Great pick I am have been play ela minus heavy recently
	9:51am ifeelfatnsassy: Clicky. Star.
	9:51am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble I posted this during Clay's show but I thought you might be interested. Patti Smith is doing a livestreamed show the day after Thanksgiving: pattismith.veeps.com...
	9:52am EricResponsible: My four year old just asked me to add this Ela Minus track to her playlist...
	9:53am Trouble: thanks for mentioning that @woods...
	9:53am Trouble: @eric...THAT is a very smart 4 year old!!!
	9:54am SHAGALOV: ♡⇢everybody!
	9:54am wizard frog: We're all gonna be working for that 4 year old one day haha
	9:54am EricResponsible: It'll fit in nicely between The Wiggles and TMBG.
	9:54am mariano: Now I can answer the question I'm asked nearly every day: "Hey bub, you lookin' for trouble?" Hey Trouble, Crew, troubled children... gang's (almost) all here, greetings! YETI BOB: sorry to hear about your friend, best hopes for him and you. Back in June I had a pretty serious cold and I freaked the eff out till I got the results so I know the feeling.
	9:54am sphere: @ Handy: nice to see you too, :)
	9:55am YETI BOB: @Woods: I used to eat a lot of acid and I'd walk around telling people that "we all create our own reality". But when George Bush said "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" I had to stop saying that!
	9:57am TDK60: I have an idea: spend billions (instead of war) on remedial ed. for adults. History, science, ya know?
	9:58am Handy Haversack: It's a thought, TDK60. It's a thought.
	9:58am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @TDK60 We can't do that. It's socialism. I read it on the internet.
	9:59am wizard frog: 🦉
	9:59am melinda: @Yeti Bob Thomas Frank has a book out about how populism has been redefined over the decades to mean something different than its original usage, I've heard interviews w/him and it sounds good.
	10:00am common: owls are the best
	10:00am ami ad: Hello DJ. Hello all. Chirps from Brooklyn.
	10:00am Webhamster Henry: The little owl is up in Saugerties at a Wildlife Rescue Center.
	10:00am βrian: We've been hearing from the owls in our neighborhood quite a bit lately.
	10:01am WFMU listener John: @YETI BOB one more thing before i have to get going i have noticed a lot of teachers listen to this station and that really raises the iq on here
	10:01am Webhamster Henry: No French Owl call records?
	10:01am Matt Warwick: 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
	10:01am YETI BOB: @TDK60: When I was in high school the gov't was pushing physics pretty hard - because we were still feeling embarrassed by being beaten into space by Sputnik. There was a moment when we were valuing science, but it was for all the wrong reasons - it was so we could beat the Russians, not so we could, like, know stuff just because knowledge is good. en.wikipedia.org...
	10:02am Buddha of Suburbia: Poor cute owl. Happy to hear Matt got a little pupper. Spiders are sweet and good insects
	10:02am wizard frog: 🦉 ❤️ 🕷
	10:02am Roberto: Spiders are not insects, but they do eat them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
	10:02am Buddha of Suburbia: This is so lovely!!
	10:02am Handy Haversack: Can I be sent to a wildlife-rescue center upstate? Hey, ami. Good chirpin' out.
	10:03am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy You'll do anything to get out of rakin' the leaves.
	10:03am Peter from Dover NJ: Great show today, Trouble
	10:04am TDK60: ..ya know, get folks reading 'bout Louis Pasteur, or Audre Lord. But I suppose that would be tyrannical. So...
	10:04am βrian: "Les hululements des hiboux," says Monsieur BirdMan.
	10:06am Trouble: gracias @peter...
	10:06am ami ad: @Handy Haversack:Chirps ahoy. How's the north side holding in?
	10:07am wizard frog: sounds like someone is poking the synth
	10:08am Handy Haversack: Still cold, apparently, ami! But I'm going top bundle up, walk the dog back and forth over the bridge, and then sit in the car for an hour and a half until the parking cops go past.
	10:09am Trouble: it is shocking how little history we teach our high school students in the US. one year of US history, (hardly gets them to the vietnam war) and one year of 'world history'. no wonder people end up ignorant and selfish, they have no interaction with others and never learn to be empathetic
	10:10am sphere: It makes me wonder if parents want their kids to be ignorant so they can mold the children in their image.
	10:10am TDK60: Were there mask-deniers during the 1918 flu? (Shoulda been called the Kansas flu, not "Spanish".)
	10:10am ami ad: @Handy:Busy day,stay safe out there.
	10:11am Barbara in PA: You're welcome anytime, Handy :)
	10:11am sphere: @ TDK60: Actually, I have read that anti-maskers were a huge problem in 1918.
	10:11am βrian: The one is the Orange Crown Flu.
	10:11am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Those "world history" classes are total bs/propaganda too. They didn't mention important things like the Revolutions of 1848
	10:11am Renato P: Amazing seqüência!!!!
	10:12am Lucky: I had zero years of world history.
	10:12am sphere: www.history.com...
	10:12am TDK60: sphere - thanks! Was just wondering. / Ya know, this gets overwhelming; think I'll emulate Adrian in Londonwich and really get into the tunes..
	10:13am Trouble: gracias@renatap!
	10:14am ianm: are you teaching this year, Trouble?
	10:15am Handy Haversack: Barbara! efd played the Passions last night, and Kate and I were so happy to hear it and thinking of you! Be careful, or we'll take you up on it and come to the woods until our wings heal!
	10:15am YETI BOB: @sphere, TDK60 - Re: 1920 - Did you see the hilarious fake letter supposedly written by F. Scott Fitzgerald where he complains about Ernest Hemingway not wearing a mask? "At this time, it seems very poignant to avoid all public spaces. Even the bars, as I told Hemingway, but to that he punched me in the stomach, to which I asked if he had washed his hands. He hadn’t. He is much the denier, that one." Not real but very funny! www.mcsweeneys.net...
	10:15am Peter from Dover NJ: @ Trouble 10:09. Completely agree. What history gets taught is taught to advance the desires of the ruling class. Signing off for now, be safe everyone.
	10:15am TDK60: David in London been around of late?
	10:16am Handy Haversack: He was around yesterday, TDK, and I had an e-mail from him this morning.
	10:16am Cmurtha: I'm not into conspiracy theories, but as a college educator the failure of U.S education is very much a feature, not a flaw. Very unfortunate. But, one must remember that mandatory education was meant to get young men ready to die in factories, government offices, or battlefield, and women were educated in so much as a good mother made more good mothers/good soldiers so its all about indoctrination of Nationalism. Now that nation states have lost their purpose in a globalizing world I think you are seeing the backlash and crisis caused by the slow death of 19th century systems. Time will tell though.
	10:16am Cmurtha: Also hello everyone.
	10:16am Trouble: yes i am teaching @ianm. from home, my school is virtual right now. I have been teaching from home since march. Working 3 times as hard as in person...I feel for my poor students who are so isolated
	10:17am Toothgrinder Tom: Walker Percy the novelist was of the opinion that the only real learning is self-directed learning.
	10:17am mei2ti3: nice set, this
	10:18am mariano: TDK: David and I just traded emails earlier, all seems well.
	10:19am Trouble: thanks!@me12ti3
	10:19am TDK60: Tom, yeah, I knew an old house painter, self educated in history, quite the radical and a union man.
	10:20am Listener Gregory: The music is all very contemplative today. But do I want to contemplate?
	10:22am Listener Gregory: I heard advice on the radio this morning telling us not to let moose lick our cars. This is just one more thing to worry about.
	10:22am Buddha of Suburbia: I love this music so much. Thanks for all you do, dear Trouble. Ken and you have the playlists! I am heading out. Bye gang!!! Yeti, wishing you healing and blessings in abundance. Bye gang! Au revoir mes amis!
	10:23am TDK60: Au revoir Buddha. Yes the music is swell.
	10:24am YETI BOB: @cmurtha: I completely agree with you but I think things like this aren't really conspiracies - it's more systemic, a result of history
	10:24am Trouble: merci!@buddha....
	10:24am Buddha of Suburbia: It really is just wonderful!
	10:24am ianm: Oh, wow. They're lucky to have you. I feel for the isolated too. It's been so hard. The women in my life are working too much (full-time jobs, school planning on the weekends, homework and meals in the afternoon). Why does the gov ignore our pain?
	10:24am Slaboch: Really loving this set!
	10:24am mariano: Bye Buddha! Toothgringder Tom: my mom's college roommate was Walker Percy's daughter.
	10:25am Buddha of Suburbia: Bye Mariano!
	10:25am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Anti-intellectualism has always been around, but to me if feels like it has exploded in the last few decades.
	10:25am Renato P: Cartola!!! Amazing!!! Thank you greetings from Brazil
	10:25am Cmurtha: @yeti of course, the conspiracy I was referring to was all the de-funding of education and sabotaging going on now. Its a conspiracy in the same way many blatant, yet plausibly deniable things are. That was unclear on my part though.
	10:25am ianm: The bassline and cymbals in that Alpha song reminded me of Massive Attack but fresher
	10:26am Handy Haversack: (Though Walker Percy, much as I like him, had the advantage of being a white dude in the South, which makes self-educating a mite easier than for some others.) Hey, Toothgrinder Tom! Bye, Boodz! Woods: It's been weaponized. "Conspiracy" might overstate, but there is a definite strategy -- as cmurtha says.
	10:26am Yes: hey y'all
	10:28am YETI BOB: @Cmurtha: Understood
	10:28am Buddha of Suburbia: Later Handy! If you hear from Knormalish before me please send her all my love. We listen to another station on Fridays from 8-10pm on MasterZ Radio with a chatroom if you'd like to stop by.
	10:28am Trouble: good morning @slaboch! merci!
	10:29am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and free-thinking freeform formation.
	10:30am Toothgrinder Tom: @mariano no kidding!
	10:33am Toothgrinder Tom: @Handy Haversack howdy! Nice show today, Ms DJ.
	10:34am Trouble: merci@ toothgrinder...
	10:35am mariano: Handy: yeah, my mom's Walker Percy story involves going with his daughter up to Covington for lunch to try "Walker's famous chicken," which was prepared and cooked by his maids, though he turned each piece over on the grill one time to make it official. Still, hell of a writer.
	10:36am poor lost owl: love this set since 10a - just the perfect healing vibe I need today
	10:37am Trouble: i am buying books for everyone for christmas this year. trying to keep my local indy store alive...any non fiction recommendations for my brother in law who likes to know everything? he reads lots of contempo stuff from the library, so i need a deep non fiction title. sister in law says he likes history, etc
	10:37am Trouble: thanks@poorlostowl!
	10:38am sphere: How about "The Toaster Project: Or a Heroic Attempt to Build a Simple Electric Appliance from Scratch"
	10:38am Handy Haversack: Covington is where Kate's mom's roommate is from/lives, Mariano -- the other place in LA we have an invite to. @Trouble, China Miéville's /October/, about the Russian Revolution, is excellent.
	10:38am sphere: It's a lot harder than it sounds!
	10:39am TDK60: Trouble, maybe some W.E.B. Du Bois if he hasn't read him, yet.
	10:41am karlward: Love Goes to Buildings on Fire by Will Hermes is great. Can't Stop Won't Stop by Jeff Chang is also great, the chapter on dub's influence on the Bronx is one of my favorite pieces of music writing. I loved Seabiscuit by Laura Hillenbrand (so good, so much better than the movie). James Gleick's book The Information is a deep but accessible history of the information age.
	10:41am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble Lentil Underground - Liz Carlisle (alternate farming out west) Baseless - Nicholson Baker (freedom of information act follies) and the best thing I've read in the past couple of years: Year Of The Monkey - Patti Smith (part memoir, part fever dream)
	10:43am ami ad: @Trouble:Hama Tuma - The Case of the Socialist Witchdoctor and other stories.
	10:43am ianm: @Trouble www.hup.harvard.edu... en.wikipedia.org...
	10:44am Nick S.: I always thought Golden Silvers were going to be huge! What happened? Hey, Trouble!
	10:45am mariano: Handy: yeah, it's right across Lake Pontchartrain. Well, it's 24 miles via the Causeway, which used to be/still is the longest bridge of its kind in the world. The area's generally called the North Shore, which includes towns like Mandeville as well. sphere: I've wondered before how far one can get technologically just using things found in nature. It's pretty simple to make a battery with a lemon, though I guess you'd need to mine/smelt some copper and zinc. And of course it'd be a sucky battery.
	10:45am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Remember this list? docs.google.com... - it's linked off my listener page - a huge list (too huge!) of books recommended by you and your listeners.
	10:45am YETI BOB: (it's editable if any of you want to add to it)
	10:46am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Right! I completely forgot about that.
	10:46am karlward: Godel Escher Bach by Douglas Hofstadter can be thought of as a history of self reference in math, art, and music. Plus it ends with Godel's proof of the incompleteness theorem, which finally blew up the notion that math and logic are capable of fully describing the universe.
	10:46am TDK60: I'm reading a book now -- 'The Explosion of Deferred Dreams, Musical Renaissance and Social Revolution in San Francisco, 1965-1975' by Mat Callahan. A look at the often obscured political context of the music, theater, radio Bay Area scene.
	10:47am sphere: @ mariano. yep. to save the planet in the long haul, i think eventually we will genetically engineer plants to replace electrical and building components.
	10:47am Trouble: my thoughts exactly @NickS. i troll them occasionally to see if they ended up in other bands. I loved that one record!!
	10:47am YETI BOB: That list is mostly fiction though - maybe I need to separate out the fic from the nonfic
	10:48am Slaboch: Seconding 'Lentil Underground' as the non-fiction book!
	10:48am mariano: YETI BOB: wow, I remember that list from a discussion on the Accu almost a year ago, really need to revisit!
	10:48am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @TDK60 Sounds along the same lines as Ted Gioia's Subversive History of Music (which I have but haven't read yet)
	10:48am thriftstoreleather: @Trouble Lake Antiquity by Brandon Downing BreakBeat Poets: New American Poetry in the Age of Hip Hop edited by Kevin Coval.... I recently checked out a copy of, African American Poetry 250 Years of Struggle and Song, edited by Kevin Young it's new, I've been enjoying it muchly!
	10:48am Nick S.: My guess is they were a bit too retro? These days if I love it it's probably NOT what young folk want to listen to.
	10:48am Trouble: thanks for that prompt@yetibob! there are so many good books listed here too. thank you!!
	10:49am YETI BOB: Trhing to think of the last good nonfic I read (I mostly read novels). It might have been "Einstein's Clocks and Poincare's Maps: Empires of Time" by Peter Galison, which is good if he's interested in the history of relativity.
	10:49am Trouble: does anyone know what this phrase means? or where it comes from? 'the good, the bad & the queen'
	10:50am TDK60: Woods, thanks for that suggestion. I'm about halfway thru the Callahan. Darn interesting.
	10:50am Lucky: Now this is a great set.
	10:50am Trouble: gracias@lucky...
	10:51am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Gioia is a great writer. His book on the blues is really good. He was my editor at the short-lived jazz.com.
	10:51am sphere: I think The Good, The Bad & The Queen was a one-off album by a "supergroup."
	10:52am ami ad: @mariano:Hello,did a moving job to Covington many years ago,somewhere off Bootlegger Rd.
	10:53am YETI BOB: I'm a major fan of "Memoirs from Beyond the Grave" by Chateaubriand - one of my favorite memoirs ever. But certain parts of it are probably made-up, like his adventures with Native Americans in the 1780s, so it straddles the line between fiction and non. It's a fantastic book, Chateaubriand is sometimes considered the "father of romanticism" in French literature.
	10:54am Lucky: I thought it was a mash up of "for country, king, and quesn" (as in, "he died for...") and "the good, the bad, and the ugly"
	10:54am Yes: rip tony allen
	10:54am thriftstoreleather: totally putting that on hold @ the Berry @ YETI BOB
	10:55am mariano: Hey ami, what's up!
	10:56am YETI BOB: (he was an aristocrat, fled France after his brother was beheaded by revolutionaries, went first to England and then to the brand-new USA)
	10:57am steveo: I hear Trouble, Matt!
	10:57am YETI BOB: ((most of it is probably true but certain parts are very outlandish, like when he tries to climb up Niagara Falls))
	10:57am Handy Haversack: I have to take off to guard the car and walk the dog. I'll catch the last half hour on the car radio. Thanks, Trouble! Fantastic show today. Much appreciated. Be well, all!
	10:57am TDK60: That Good, Bad outfit had a speed-up. Often I don't like speed-ups, but this one was okay.
	10:57am YETI BOB: see ya later Handy!
	10:57am mariano: Take care, Handy!
	10:58am Irene Trudel: Must dash to a staff meeting. Thanks for all the great music and discussion, Trouble!
	10:58am Adrian in London: Just a play on The Good The Bad and the Ugly, I think
	10:58am Toothgrinder Tom: The Good, the Bad and the Snuggly.
	10:58am TDK60: Handy, don't let Bagpipe take /you/ for a walk.
	10:58am Irene Trudel: Wishing all good health today as well!
	10:58am ?: Brit here! Not a quote or reference to anything historical that I know of (but then again I don't know much!)
	10:58am steveo: God save the ugly
	10:58am ami ad: @mariano:Still here,was in Manhattan Tuesday,no ice cream was had? How about you? Chickens still roam the streets?
	10:58am mariano: YETI BOB: I read a good article on Chateaubriand in the London Review of Books a year or so ago, should check out his memoirs. Bye Irene!
	10:59am enocaster: Yes, a play on the movie title – a cheeky way of calling the Queen ugly.
	11:01am mariano: ami ad: Haha! No chickens of late. Still kicking myself for not taking advantage of such a golden opportunity to ask it why it was crossing the road. I els que no volen veure: "those who do not want to see" -- very fitting for these times.
	11:01am Toothgrinder Tom: My plan is to knit all my Christmas presents.
	11:01am Jeffrey Davison: Book, not new, but great: The Other Paris, by Luc Sante.
	11:02am redbee: If he's a nature person... "Entangled Life" by Merlin Sheldrake, absolutely fascinating! (Spoiler alert, it's about fungi)
	11:02am βrian: I heard there was a new Harold McGee book, about the sense of smell.
	11:02am thatpatsmith: Nonfic: The Warmth of Other Suns. Isabel Wilkerson
	11:02am mei2ti3: luc sante rules
	11:03am Planet Tyler: Kim Stanley Robinson writes socialist utopia (sometimes) "Hard SF" which is great
	11:03am YETI BOB: @Mariano: I'll search for that LRB article. I think it's worth your time to read him, I found the book compelling, hard to put down, and really felt the presence of his spirit from across several centuries. The available translation in English is only the part (first 12 volumes) of his memoir, there's more in French, I don't know if there's a translation in the works. www.nyrb.com...
	11:03am thatpatsmith: Luc Sante does rule
	11:03am Aric: How old is the person that needs book ideas?
	11:03am Tobes: Non Fiction book recommendation Boom Town: The Fantastical Saga of Oklahoma City, Its Chaotic Founding... Its Purloined Basketball Team, and the Dream of Becoming a World-class Metropolis Sam Anderson
	11:04am The Oscar: Mornin'! Busy working, but I'd be remiss in my film-crit duties if I didn't let everyone know that Lovers Rock will go live on Prime this Sunday :)
	11:04am ZeeBee: Goodmorning Trouble and friends! greetings from New Mexico.
	11:04am YETI BOB: @redbee: Merlin Sheldrake - now there's a name. (I'm quite familiar with his dad!)
	11:04am βrian: @Aric: For whom the book is intended, you mean?
	11:05am Trouble: thanks @adrian! and @lucky!
	11:05am Aric: @Aric genau. Exactly.
	11:05am βrian: Non-fiction for 7-year olds is a category that's useful to me.
	11:06am Aric: Haha, I can't comment. @Brian, yes, how old is the person doing the reading?
	11:07am mariano: YETI BOB: Ohhh, maybe it was the NYRB article I was thinking of. I read both. For non-fiction, one of my favorites is a book on the history and racial politics of Mardi Gras in New Orleans called "The Lords of Misrule" by James Gill. I read it every year during Carnival (www.goodreads.com...).
	11:07am YETI BOB: it's Trouble's brother-in-law so probably older than 7
	11:07am redbee: @Yeti: Yes! The whole family seems to be delightful... seems like young Sheldrake's brother makes nature-related music of some kind or another
	11:07am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble Favorite fiction read this year: Last Night In Montreal - Emily St. John Mandel
	11:08am Trouble: @aric: my brother in law is in his late 50's but appears to have been born in the 1850's if you get my drift...
	11:08am YETI BOB: @mariano: NYRB press published the book, that's the link I sent you
	11:08am TDK60: Trouble, does he dress steampunk?
	11:09am Nardo: Currently jumping into Rick Perlstein's latest "Reaganland: America's Right Turn 1976-1980". Recommended.
	11:09am Cat Stacker: "I Got A Monster" Baynard Woods, Brandon Soderberg www.barnesandnoble.com... "The Sick Rose" Richard Barnett www.barnesandnoble.com... "Fashion Victims: Dangers of Dress Past and Present" primary sources, Alison Mathews David blackwells.co.uk...
	11:09am YETI BOB: @Trouble: Then he might really dig the Chateaubriand (covers the period 1768–1800)
	11:10am thriftstoreleather: Thanks for link @ YETI BOB. My library has a copy of the Memoirs of Chateaubriand.
	11:11am Julie Cummings: THe World of Yesterday by Stefan Zweig. It's a beautifully written memoir. Vienna.
	11:11am mariano: While on the NOLA theme, there's also "The Accidental City" by Lawrence Powell, which is becoming the definitive general history of the city (www.goodreads.com...). YETI BOB: Ah, I see, thanks. Responded before clicking the link!
	11:12am Trouble: good looking children's book@brian: libba: the magnificent musical life of elizabeth cotten with illus by tatyana fazlalizadeh ( the woman who does : stop telling women to smile)
	11:12am thriftstoreleather: I'm about to start The Cat's Cradle by Vonnegut
	11:12am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): I need to re-read all of Vonnegut. It's been years.
	11:12am Trouble: i mean that my brother in law is kinda stodgy.
	11:13am mariano: Trouble: your comment on your brother-in-law reminds me of a comment a British journalist made about a 92-year-old member of the House of Lords who made some highly embarrassing comment about gay rights. Paraphrasing: "Lord [whatever his name] is 92, but he thinks like a man twice his age."
	11:13am Cat Stacker: "Arcatecture: Swiss Cat Ladders" Brigitte Schuster Photographs of cat ladders. www.ideabooks.nl...
	11:13am mariano: Woods: yeah, I went on a big Vonnegut kick in the early 2000s. Such fun reads.
	11:14am Planet Tyler: Kim Stanley Robinson write socialist utopia (sometimes) Hard SF which is great.
	11:15am sphere: Another good big history is The Birth Of The Modern by Paul Johnson. It takes a rather interesting spin on the evolution of art, industry, and capitalism in Britain during the 18th and 19th centuries.
	11:16am Jeffrey Davison: Do Not Sell At Any Price, by Amanda Petrusich, about 78 record collectors. The Vanishing Velasquez, by Laura Cumming, an amazing true story about a 19th C. printer who bought a Velasquez at an estate sale, and how it completely changed the course of his life.
	11:16am sphere: this claude fontaine is awesome!
	11:17am p/b: late good morning FMUniverse - love from Bklyn
	11:17am thriftstoreleather: yeah, I want to to read them all this winter
	11:17am ZeeBee: I gotta run outta the house but dang this song and the light through the window are getting along so well!
	11:18am Trouble: good one @mariano
	11:18am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Jeffrey Davison Fantastic book.
	11:18am TDK60: P. Tyler, I've read some K.S. Robinson. His Mars Trilogy is something.
	11:18am mariano: Take care, ZeeBee!
	11:18am tim from champaign (now washington): @Mariano - I went to the Kurt Vonnegut library in Indianapolis a few years ago. It was pretty cool. His office set up was replicated right down to a half empty pack of camels.
	11:19am sphere: If we're talking science fiction, I just want to mention Gene Wolfe. So so so good.
	11:20am βrian: 54 degrees here. We have flung open the windows, though the screens do not have a N-95 rating.
	11:21am mariano: timFC: Wow, I'd love to go there. He's one of the few writers who can elicit completely involuntary bursts of laughter from me. Usually, even when I find writing incredibly funny and witty, I won't laugh out loud, or at most let out an anemic "Heh."
	11:22am Dawn the Librarian: Yes, I’m a librarian. And I primarily read nonfiction and graphic novels. So I’m recommending titles that cover both here- “Paying the Land” by Joe Sacco “Grass” - Keum Suk Gendry-Kim “They Called Us Enemy”- George Takei Also, non graphic novels (aka “regular books”)- “Fathoms”- Rebecca Giggs “I Contain Multitudes”- Ed Yong Plus link to NYT non fiction bestsellers - https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/paperback-nonfiction/
	11:22am βrian: "We'll always have Dresden."
	11:23am Trouble: @ brian : owl moon by jane yolen is the most gorgeous young peoples picture book.
	11:25am βrian: @Trouble: That's a perfect theme. Thanks. She already likes to imitate the calls of loons and owls.
	11:26am TDK60: Trouble: Bro-in-law is too "stodgy" for Du Bois?
	11:27am sphere: My favorite graphic novel is Neil Gaiman's Book of Magic. (note: it came out before Harry Potter.)
	11:27am Trouble: @brian:the boy who drew birds ( about audubon) is also a wonderful illustrated book.
	11:28am tim from champaign (now washington): @Mariano - It's worth the trip. Indianapolis can be a crossroads depending on where you're going so it's worth a stop. I'm reading William Burrough's 'Queer' right now. It's the first linear book I've read of his. I forgot how hilarious Burrough's can be.
	11:31am βrian: "Vertiginous retching horror" is a well used phrase in our household.
	11:31am Fletchernyc: Hi trouble!!!
	11:32am TDK60: I am meeting two different friends today. But only briefly and outdoors.
	11:32am wizard frog: Trouble 2024!
	11:33am sphere: @ TimFC - remember Burroughs' Thanksgiving Prayer? So grotesque and horrific and funny at the same time.
	11:33am don_laine: Trouble/Pseu 2024
	11:34am poor lost owl: my rec: Patti Smith's Year of the Monkey - good non-fiction escapism
	11:34am tim from champaign (now washington): @sphere - Thanks for the reminder! Timely too.
	11:34am PaulRobeson1920: A good non fiction book - Paul Robeson’s “Here I Stand” published 1958
	11:36am PaulRobeson1920: Unwise and untimely that book is not
	11:36am Adrian in London: I'm more fiction than non-fiction too but I really enjoyed The Cartiers by Francesca Cartier Brickell, about the family behind the jewellery company bookshop.org...
	11:36am Trouble: @tdk he's probably already read du bois. He is an serious all the time reader.
	11:37am Bryan: all of Burroughs is linear....all a perspective...everything now is cut up...and arranged accordingly...the news is given in the same order as Naked Lunch was written...
	11:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @tim from champaign: I didn't know he wrote a linear book!
	11:38am TDK60: ..and, just in case you haven't heard of her yet, Ursula K. LeGuin, sci-fi/fantasy.
	11:38am YETI BOB: @Woods: "Junky" (his first book) is a perfectly straightforward novel. So was "Queer" (his second, but not published until much later). The cut-up disjointed stuff came later.
	11:38am TDK60: ..and Octavia Butler.
	11:39am don_laine: If your bro into alternate religious history check out The Immortality Key by Muraresku. Discusses the tole psychadelics played in ancient religions and paleochristianity.
	11:39am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: I have "Naked Lunch" on my phone if I get stuck somewhere without reading material.
	11:39am YETI BOB: I also like "Exterminator" (short stories) and "The Adding Machine" (essays) by Burroughs. IMO you don't really have to read "Naked Lunch"
	11:40am YETI BOB: @Woods: more power to you, I never got very far with that book!
	11:40am sphere: Also Ann Leckie is a great SF author who is still writing very good stuff.
	11:40am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: It's a little like Finnegans Wake. You can read starting from anywhere.
	11:40am Carmichael: Heya Trouble and winners.
	11:41am mariano: Dawn the Librarian: Hmm, I don't see chinless Don Jr's book at the top of that non-fic list. I mean, just because his daddy leaned on the GOP to spend six figures on bulk orders, all of a sudden it doesn't count?
	11:41am PaulRobeson1920: “Soul by Soul: Life Inside the Antebellum Slave Market” by Walter Johnson. published 1999
	11:41am Sylvia (France-NYC): Hello Trouble, and all this has been a very pleasant show, thank you!
	11:42am TDK60: John Dos Passos' USA trilogy, good for a fiction look at early 2oth century US.
	11:42am PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller’s 1969 book “Operation Manual for Spaceship Earth”
	11:43am tim from champaign (now washington): A couple years ago I really got into Burroughs' cut up trilogy. Once I got into the rhythm (for lack of better words) I really enjoyed how the words worked together. King of like listening to music for how it sounds rather than focusing on verse chorus verse.
	11:43am Niall: That "Nani" song was incredible. It had that shambolic vibe I love about old Meat Puppets. Thanks!
	11:44am YETI BOB: @Woods: I can't argue! It's just not for me. I've read a bunch of other books by WSB though, and really liked them.
	11:45am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Oh, almost forgot. The latest book that Ferlinghetti put out is kind of amazing. It's a sorta-memoir, sorta-fabulist fiction.
	11:46am tim from champaign (now washington): I once ordered a pizza from a pizza joint in Chicago called Nova Express. I was disappointed because the pizza was perfectly normal and symmetrically sliced. Besides that, It tasted pretty good though once I got over the disappointment.
	11:46am sphere: @ TDK60: Did you know that John Brunner's SF classic Stand On Zanzibar borrows its structure from the USA trilogy?
	11:46am tim from champaign (now washington): I've been meaning to read that Woods! Thanks for the reminder. I'm putting it in my on deck circle right now.
	11:47am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yeah, I went through a phase of trying to get through "difficult" books. So that included Naked Lunch and also Gravity's Rainbow. The very last one I attempted was Infinite Jest. I gave up after a few hundred pages.
	11:47am poor lost owl: on my acquisition list (but not yet read): "The Golden Rhinoceros: Histories of the African Middle Ages" by Francois-Xavier Fauvelle
	11:47am TDK60: No sphere, thanks. Another one for the list.
	11:47am YETI BOB: (searching for "Nova Express Pizza" in Chicago - it's down on 79th, I've never been there.)
	11:48am tim from champaign (now washington): @Yeti - I was staying in Bronzville when I tried Nova Express.
	11:48am sphere: @ TDK60 - Zanzibar ages pretty well and it's a classic cyberpunk predecessor.
	11:49am YETI BOB: @Woods: I have read "GR" 3 times and "IJ" twice. They werent' difficult like "Naked Lunch" or "Finnegans Wake". Just long and complex. And I had some help from Douglas Fowler's "A Reader's Guide to "Gravity's Rainbow" "
	11:49am Niall: WoodsOfNH (now Maine) - may as well go for the hat trick and abandon "The Recognitions," too =)
	11:49am βrian: David Axelrod is so recognizable, though I don't know this piece.
	11:49am poor lost owl: speaking of psychedelics - (WFMU's own) Jesse Jarnow's book on the early psychedelic era also seems to have gotten excellent reviews
	11:50am sphere: If you are looking for another difficult book, might I suggest Samuel Delany's Dhalgren.
	11:50am TDK60: Poor lost owl, have we met? Good to see ya either way.
	11:51am Polyus: Well if this hasn't been about the perfect antidote to the doom and gloom blues today. Trouble has a finger firmly on the pulse.
	11:51am YETI BOB: I have a section on my bookshelf for "difficult" books I started but might never finish. "The Great Fire of London" by Jacques Roubaud. "Berlin Alexanderplatz" by Alfred Döblin. And, the inevitable copy of "Dhalgren".
	11:51am PaulRobeson1920: Your Brother in law is interested in History?
	11:52am YETI BOB: Also Robert Musil "The Man Without Qualities".
	11:52am Trouble: thanks @polyus: i'm trying to keep on keeping on
	11:52am PaulRobeson1920: “The historian and the climate of opinion” Compilation of essays by Robert Skotheim published 1969
	11:52am Yes: Thank you for today , trouble
	11:52am Tank Top: The slow jams have all been bangers today
	11:52am PaulRobeson1920: Historiography baby
	11:52am Trouble: yes@ paulrob... probably more ancient than not
	11:53am sphere: thanks Trouble, you have done wonders today.
	11:53am Trouble: slow jams are my jam right now. trying to deflate the anxiety
	11:53am mariano: poor lost owl: Wow, I didn't know Jesse Jarnow wrote a book! Will definitely look that one up, thanks for the mention!
	11:54am PaulRobeson1920: Ooo ancient history... Try Epictetus and all things related
	11:54am TDK60: Sound sound selectings today Trouble. Au revoir.
	11:54am tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Trouble!
	11:54am ami ad: Thank you DJ,Crew. Peace&Laugh.
	11:55am YETI BOB: I bailed on all the later Pynchon though - "Mason and Dixon" and "Against the Day" both rubbed me the wrong way.
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today, see you on thanksgiving!
	11:56am Carmichael: One of the greatest Kinks albums.
	11:57am mariano: Ohhhh, one of my favorite Kinks songs of all time! Such a beautiful opening, with the French horn (or whatever it is). Gorgeous. Thanks Trouble, wonderful show! Thanks to the ever-loyal Crew, take care folks!
	11:57am TDK60: ..and ending with the Kinks is just so.... Mod.
	11:57am waters7: I know that I've heard this song before but it sounds perfect today. Thank you!
	11:57am Carmichael: Substitute "British" with ...
	11:58am Trouble: merci@waters7! xo
	11:58am waters7: xo
	11:58am mariano: Carmichael: right? Every bit the equal (or more) of "Abbey Road," which came out the same year. One of the few concept albums that I think works 100% through.
	11:58am YETI BOB: @Woods: I felt a strong connection to David Foster Wallace, we were basically peers, same age, he was at Harvard the same time I was at MIT, and I think we may have crossed paths in Allston. I couldn't put "Infinite Jest" down.
	11:59am βrian: Coming up: Pseu's Thing With A Hook wfmu.org... Continental Subway wfmu.org...
	11:59am KWilde: Always loved Arthur
	11:59am YETI BOB: Bye! Thanks for the excellent music & chat today.
	11:59am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Man, I hated Infinite Jest. I mean, what I read of it...
	12:00pm YETI BOB: @Woods: We can still be friends :)
	12:00pm Spankyflop: Anything by Randall Monroe of xkcd fame is good for anyone who wants to know everything. Especially Thing Explainer.
	12:02pm TDK60: Spank, have we met?
	9:45am Johnny Cash Money: Gross

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from November 19, 2020

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