WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 15, 2021

Listener comments!
	10:01pm Constantly Choking: Great selection, RIP
	10:02pm Constantly Choking: How goes it Sam/the horseless!
	🥁 ♥ 10:02pm northguineahills: nice, RIP...
	🥁 ♥ 10:08pm northguineahills: i remember seeing that Conan live!
	10:10pm Constantly Choking: I remember Norm saying in an interview that his Bob Saget roast was actually edited after the fact to make it seem like he did better when in fact he actually bombed even harder. He was laughing his ass off when he said this...what a legend
	🥁 ♥ 10:10pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam, Horsemeisters
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm chresti: Hi Sam and jokers horsing around!
	♥ 10:12pm Sam Segal: CC, NGH, Doc, and Chresti! Thanks for being here.
	♥ 10:12pm Sam Segal: @CC, I can definitely tell this has been edited...a lot of awkward silences shortened...maybe even additional laughs piped in.
	10:15pm Constantly Choking: I remember seeing this on TV and laughing intensely at the strangeness of it. Comedians still reference it all the time. Total classic performance
	🥁 ♥ 10:17pm northguineahills: That pic was taken on Franklin Ave in Brooklyn b/tn Prospect PL & St Marks Ave
	10:19pm Constantly Choking: G’mar Chatima Tova to my Jewish friends
	♥ 10:23pm Sam Segal: Thanks, CC. I am one of your Jewish friends!
	♥ 10:25pm Sam Segal: @NGH, you still see the occasional vacant lot with overgrown weeds and broken down car in that part of Brooklyn these days.
	🥁 ♥ 10:28pm northguineahills: I remember when I first moved to NYC in 2000, I would constantly see cars on fire on the main road shoulders and vacant lots, I don't think I've seen more then one since 2005.
	10:29pm Constantly Choking: man if anyone's kicking around Brooklyn there's an amazing painting show at Hauser Wirth of Philip Guston's work. I'm trying to get my passport rushed so I can come see it, you'd be wise to take advantage Sam/anyone who lives in New York
	🥁 ♥ 10:29pm zzz: love getting taken to school on dance tracks on this show. always so fun.
	♥ 10:33pm Sam Segal: ZZZ! Glad you like the dance selections. I feel like I'm still a student when it comes to the vast world of dance music. One of the genres a person can nerd out on to no end.
	🥁 ♥ 10:33pm zzz: the chicago footwork stuff from a little while back was a revelation
	♥ 10:34pm Sam Segal: Thanks for the tip on the Guston show, CC. I'd love to check it out.
	🥁 ♥ 10:36pm northguineahills: I needed some good house. I've been to many house raves, but my favorite was soulful house at Ft Greene Park, as it was free and people from all walks of life dancing. Junior Vazquez was there plus others.
	♥ 10:37pm Sam Segal: @CC: I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to visual art, so I wasn't really familiar with Guston until the controversy last year around the exhibition of his work with the Klan imagery. Seems like a positive step that his work is being shown again.
	🥁 ♥ 10:38pm northguineahills: Also, try Qwaito, a South Aftrican genre, sort of like an elcetro version of footwoork.
	♥ 10:39pm Sam Segal: Right on, NGH. I like Gqom, but I've never heard of Qwaito.
	10:39pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That looks like Franklin Ave today
	🥁 ♥ 10:40pm doctorjazz: Kol Nidre, Ve'Asorei, OoShevooei... Like the way my Cantor sings that (almost went to the live version-had 4 family members here, 3 were OK but one not comfortable with it, so we attended via zoom).
	🥁 ♥ 10:40pm northguineahills: Oh, I also recomend !Gqom (Durban, SA) oh, and Sam beat me) (the exclamation point is for the upper click before hand, linguistically)
	♥ 10:41pm Sam Segal: Kenzo! The more things change, etc.
	♥ 10:43pm Sam Segal: @Doc: I wish I was catching you deeper into your fast...the loopiness of low blood sugar would've paired well with tonight's selections.
	10:43pm Constantly Choking: @Sam Yeah I believe the Hauser Wirth show is a response to the swath of Museum shows being delayed last year. It's having a huge impact in the painting world, people are really being affected by the exhibition. Really hoping I can get to it....
	🥁 ♥ 10:46pm Ike: I'm vaxxed but I'm still feeling extra cautious -- haven't been into Manhattan at all lately, but a visit to the galleries in Chelsea is certainly alluring.
	🥁 ♥ 10:46pm WR: Hi all. CC, thank you for alerting us about Philip Guston. Didn't know his work. Very interesting.
	🥁 ♥ 10:49pm doctorjazz: Speaking of attending events live, I got a ticket to see John Zorn/Masada (the latest version) in August in a Sunday Matinee performance at the Village Vanguard. Must be many folks going out-it was announced in the afternoon, I wanted to check at home for conflicts and went on the VV site that night, and there was 1 ticket left (sold out after I bought it). Psyched. I'm OK with going out in the current "vaccine required" NY mandate (wouldn't be comfortable, say, in Florida or Texas, for that and obviously other reasons...)
	♥ 10:50pm Sam Segal: Ike and WR! Glad to have you both in the Horse's Den.
	🥁 ♥ 10:51pm zzz: new masada quartet with julian lage is incredible. saw them on the last vanguard run pre covid and was blown away. was thrilled to see a tzadik release planned for october
	🥁 ♥ 10:51pm doctorjazz: Article on Guston from NY Times last yr... www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 10:51pm Sam Segal: Ah man, that's gonna be a great show, Doc. I think Zorn's actually playing sax in that group too. I should've gotten a ticket.
	🥁 ♥ 10:52pm zzz: i saw those 2 matinees announced earlier this week. hesitated for a day and the first was sold out, but was able to get one for the second weekend
	🥁 ♥ 10:53pm northguineahills: @zzz: I love Masada!
	10:53pm Constantly Choking: yeah WR! I'm a Guston obsessive so I'm thrilled that he's receiving so much recognition lately
	🥁 ♥ 10:54pm doctorjazz: zzz, glad to hear it, Lage is amazing (have great recordings of him with Nels Cline, in duo and in the Nels Cline 4. Have seen him live with the Nels Cline 4 and his own group. Psyched to get to see them (Pretty sure Zorn will play, though he does conduct many Masada units). I got the last ticket to the 1st Sunday (couldn't get to the 2nd, conflict that day)
	🥁 ♥ 10:54pm WR: sounded better sideways.
	🥁 ♥ 10:56pm doctorjazz: Some of the best live shows I've been to were at the original Knitting Factory, with the original Masada quartet.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm zzz: zorn plays in this group, interplay with lage reminiscent of his playing w/ dave douglas in original unit.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm doctorjazz: (I procrastinated the last time Masada did a Sunday Matinee at the Vanguard, and all shows sold out before I got tickets)
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: zzz, I'm already salivating...
	10:59pm rw: Hello!
	🥁 ♥ 11:01pm WR: Sam, when you "at least I am having fun" I totally guffawed loudly.
	♥ 11:02pm Sam Segal: @WR: A guffaw counts as fun, so I guess I'm not alone!
	♥ 11:02pm Sam Segal: RW! It's you!
	🥁 ♥ 11:03pm WR: doc, what do you mean by the "original masada quartet"? yes I am being lazy...
	🥁 ♥ 11:05pm doctorjazz: The original Masada was: John Zorn - alto sax, Dave Douglas - trumpet, Joey Baron - drums, Greg Cohen - bass)
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm doctorjazz: D'Angelo gets the most interesting groove on; it's sort of an "anti-groove", swings in still motion, if I'm making any sense.
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm doctorjazz: Feels much like Marvin Gaye sometimes
	♥ 11:07pm Sam Segal: I know exactly what you mean, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 11:10pm doctorjazz: That quartet, Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, Baron, was crazy good, intense, quite a live show way back then (and put out 10 studio albums, labeled 1-10 in hebrew letters, a few live albums, then dissolved. Douglas has done quite a few fine things on his own, of course).
	🥁 ♥ 11:11pm zzz: ever see electric masada? way intense,
	🥁 ♥ 11:13pm doctorjazz: Yup, I did see Electric Masada once, and they were indeed very intense, but I preferred the quartet.
	11:14pm rw: I didn't know there was a controversy over the Klan imagery in Guston's paintings. I guess I should get a subscription to the NYTimes.
	🥁 ♥ 11:17pm zzz: yeah totally different EM like a super heavy shredding jam band with an electric miles flavor, and as for the original, i think zorn supposedly didnt like the comparison but i think really was like ornette coleman’s early quartet meets klezmer/jewish music scales
	11:20pm Constantly Choking: RW, The performative fear of Guston's imagery was willfully misguided...the Museums greatly underestimated the public's capacity to understand complicated art and the backlash within the art world has been intense and ceaseless, hence the current show at Hauser & Wirth
	🥁 ♥ 11:23pm WR: Gotta cut out a bit early. Laters all.
	🥁 ♥ 11:23pm doctorjazz: That's a pretty good description, zzz. I found the diffuse shredding and jamming of Electric Masada a bit unfocused, the quartet just were at peak constantly during the show. I'm not sure Zorn would mind the comparison-around the same time as that Masada band (maybe a bit before) he had his Spy vs Spy band with Tim Berne, which I also saw, was also intense and tremendous, and was playing Ornette's music. He was obviously very influenced by Ornette)
	🥁 ♥ 11:24pm doctorjazz: Fun set, btw Sam, enjoying it!
	♥ 11:24pm Sam Segal: Adios, WR!
	🥁 ♥ 11:25pm doctorjazz: Night, WR!
	♥ 11:25pm Sam Segal: Thank you for saying so, Doc.
	11:25pm rw: Ah! Thanks, CC. I did a quick bit of research. I do understand why the museums might be worried, but it's cool that Hauser is doing the show. No backlash so far, I'm guessing.
	11:26pm Constantly Choking: later WR!
	11:26pm rw: WR! Laters.
	11:26pm Constantly Choking: None so far, the paintings are too strong and the exploration too genuine ;)
	11:28pm rw: CC, nice avatar, by the way.
	11:30pm Constantly Choking: RW haha yep! He's my favorite painter and has been since I was a teenager...I could talk about him and his work forever....don't tempt me This song is so good Sam!
	11:39pm rw: Holy cow! Preach it Sam!!
	11:41pm rw: How could The Tonight Show be so irresponsible? And why did it take them over half a century?
	🥁 ♥ 11:41pm doctorjazz: Sounds line my family... (my daughter sometimes posts videos with dissonant music playing, videoing her reaction shots, captioned "Why does my father listen to this?" (in fun, of course)
	♥ 11:42pm Sam Segal: I think its a testament to just how radical this music was when it came into the world...it remains impossible to incorporate it into the mainstream
	♥ 11:42pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, sounds like your daughter could get a gig writing for the Tonight Show, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 11:43pm doctorjazz: True dat-it'll never become mainstream...
	🥁 ♥ 11:43pm doctorjazz: From your mouth, Sam...
	11:46pm Constantly Choking: I find it annoying when folks like Brotzmann make challenging work and then people experience the fact that they are being challenged as an experience of something bad or oblivious. People can be so smug while missing a point entirely
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm northguineahills: Sort of like how John Cage performed Water Walk on "I've got a secret" or Frank Zappa played a bicycle on the Steve Allen Show. Both performances garnered a lot of laughter from the audience, but both John and Frank liked to incorporate humor in their works...
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm doctorjazz: Mostly, I don't think most people want to work at music (or movies, or art...). They work all day-entertainment is how these things are perceived, not art for the most part, requiring you put some effort into it.
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm william b: Back in my college days I couldn't find a single person interested in seeing Peter Brötzmann, even in the more avant music circles. I ended up driving out solo to Ojai CA to take in his set with an audience of maybe eight other people. Good times in Ojai!
	♥ 11:50pm Sam Segal: Haha, as a person who has also gone to a Peter Brotzmann show unaccompanied, I can relate, William!
	11:50pm rw: william b, I'll go with you next time.
	🥁 ♥ 11:51pm doctorjazz: My wife sometimes accompanies me to adventurous music, but she'll read a book on her phone if it is too "out". It's easier to go myself usually.
	🥁 ♥ 11:51pm northguineahills: I wasn't able to see Peter Brotzmann until I moved to NYC, he never made to FL when I was in into music.
	🥁 ♥ 11:53pm doctorjazz: Never got to see Brotzmann. I went to hear BassDrumBone shortly before the pandemic, with my significant other, I loved it, she couldn't wait until it ended.
	11:53pm rw: I saw PB once with Keiji Haino not too many years ago. Pretty great.
	♥ 11:53pm Sam Segal: First and only time seeing him was at the Vision Festival with William Parker and Hamid Drake.
	🥁 ♥ 11:54pm doctorjazz: Almost quitting time, thanks Sam, loved the show!
	🥁 ♥ 11:55pm william b: Glad I'm not alone in experiencing this! I was worried it was the potential company keeping people away. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for any solo-going stablemates next time around.
	🥁 ♥ 11:55pm zzz: brotzmann + keiji haino = whoa
	11:55pm rw: And I was sort of kidding about the Tonight Show. Totally understand the joke. (thought I'm sure I wouldn't share in it)
	♥ 11:55pm Sam Segal: Thanks for being here, Doc!
	11:56pm rw: zzz, indeed.
	11:56pm Constantly Choking: Great show tonight Sam I really enjoyed it! always nice to bask in interesting music with WFMU folks. Hope you all rest easy
	🥁 ♥ 11:57pm zzz: SS: trio of brotzmann and drake/parker- never saw but their release “never too late but always too early” is a fav
	♥ 11:57pm Sam Segal: You are kind, CC! Thanks again for the tip on the Guston show. Really going to try to make it. Hope you get to see it too.
	🥁 ♥ 11:57pm zzz: thx for the show tonight. good yontif!
	🥁 ♥ 11:58pm doctorjazz: Jarrett is one I didn't get to see, now too late (I actually went to see him solo years back at the Village Vanguard. Noisy, tourist crowd that night. He started to play, stopped. Waited a few minutes, started again, stopped. Waited a few minutes, played a third time, stopped, got up, left, show over. I understood why he was upset with the noise, but I was really pissed at the show being cancelled from under me (they did refund, he wouldn't go back out), and I never went to see him again. My error...
	11:58pm Constantly Choking: You should Sam! I'm certain it will have an impact. I am doing everything in my power to get there myself
	11:59pm Constantly Choking: how heartbreaking that must be for Jarrett, a true shame
	🥁 ♥ 11:59pm doctorjazz: A Git Yontif to you as well, zzz, and any celebrators out there!
	🥁 ♥ 12:00am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	12:00am rw: Thanks for the ride Mr. Segal. Sorry I didn't get here earlier. Take care everyone! Nice hanging with y'all.

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September 15, 2021: The Horse Joke

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Norm Macdonald	The Moth Joke "The Moth Joke" by "Norm Macdonald"			0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Norm Macdonald	Roast of Bob Saget			0:10:04 (Pop-up)

Fingers Inc.	Never No More Lonely	Another Side	Jack Trax	0:20:09 (Pop-up)
Big Moses	Brighter Days (ft. Kenny Bobien)	Classic House Grooves: Dope Jams, New York City	King Street Sounds	0:25:28 (Pop-up)
Peven Everett	I Can't Believe I Loved Her (Calypso Mix)	12"	Nite Grooves	0:31:15 (Pop-up)
India Jordan	And Groove "And Groove" by "India Jordan"	Watch Out!	Ninja Tune	0:35:24 (Pop-up)
Kenny Larkin	You Are "You Are" by "Kenny Larkin"	Keys, Strings, Tambourines	Planet E	0:40:35 (Pop-up)
Mr. G	Daily Prayer "Daily Prayer" by "Mr. G"	Up Hill Battle EP	Phoenix G	0:45:05 (Pop-up)

D'Angelo and the Vanguard	Another Life	Black Messiah	RCA	1:00:41 (Pop-up)
Aaliyah	I Care 4 U "I Care 4 U" by "Aaliyah"	Aaliyah	Blackground	1:06:36 (Pop-up)
Aaron-Carl	Everything "Everything" by "Aaron-Carl"	Uncloseted	Wallshaker	1:11:00 (Pop-up)
Erika de Casier	Busy "Busy" by "Erika de Casier"	Sensational	4AD	1:16:20 (Pop-up)
George Riley	Power "Power" by "George Riley"	Interest Rates, A Tape	Self-Released	1:19:58 (Pop-up)
Africanoise	Vaninha "Vaninha" by "Africanoise"	4 de Dezembro	40% Foda / Maneiríssimo	1:23:55 (Pop-up)
Arif Cooper	Good Vybe "Good Vybe" by "Arif Cooper"	Now Thing 2	Chrome	1:27:21 (Pop-up)
Slum Village	I Don't Know (ft. Jazzy Jeff)	Fantastic Vol. 2	GoodVibe	1:31:06 (Pop-up)

Peter Brötzmann Octet	Responsible/For Jan Van De Ven	Machine Gun	FMP	1:39:37 (Pop-up)
Martin Scherzinger & Bobby Mitchell	Chopi-Chopin	Scherzinger Etudes	New Focus	1:47:37 (Pop-up)
Keith Jarrett	Prelude & Fugue No. 22 in G Minor	Dmitri Shostakovich: 24 Preludes And Fugues, Op. 87	ECM	1:52:47 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:01pm Constantly Choking: Great selection, RIP
	10:02pm Constantly Choking: How goes it Sam/the horseless!
	🥁 ♥ 10:02pm northguineahills: nice, RIP...
	🥁 ♥ 10:08pm northguineahills: i remember seeing that Conan live!
	10:10pm Constantly Choking: I remember Norm saying in an interview that his Bob Saget roast was actually edited after the fact to make it seem like he did better when in fact he actually bombed even harder. He was laughing his ass off when he said this...what a legend
	🥁 ♥ 10:10pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam, Horsemeisters
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm chresti: Hi Sam and jokers horsing around!
	♥ 10:12pm Sam Segal: CC, NGH, Doc, and Chresti! Thanks for being here.
	♥ 10:12pm Sam Segal: @CC, I can definitely tell this has been edited...a lot of awkward silences shortened...maybe even additional laughs piped in.
	10:15pm Constantly Choking: I remember seeing this on TV and laughing intensely at the strangeness of it. Comedians still reference it all the time. Total classic performance
	🥁 ♥ 10:17pm northguineahills: That pic was taken on Franklin Ave in Brooklyn b/tn Prospect PL & St Marks Ave
	10:19pm Constantly Choking: G’mar Chatima Tova to my Jewish friends
	♥ 10:23pm Sam Segal: Thanks, CC. I am one of your Jewish friends!
	♥ 10:25pm Sam Segal: @NGH, you still see the occasional vacant lot with overgrown weeds and broken down car in that part of Brooklyn these days.
	🥁 ♥ 10:28pm northguineahills: I remember when I first moved to NYC in 2000, I would constantly see cars on fire on the main road shoulders and vacant lots, I don't think I've seen more then one since 2005.
	10:29pm Constantly Choking: man if anyone's kicking around Brooklyn there's an amazing painting show at Hauser Wirth of Philip Guston's work. I'm trying to get my passport rushed so I can come see it, you'd be wise to take advantage Sam/anyone who lives in New York
	🥁 ♥ 10:29pm zzz: love getting taken to school on dance tracks on this show. always so fun.
	♥ 10:33pm Sam Segal: ZZZ! Glad you like the dance selections. I feel like I'm still a student when it comes to the vast world of dance music. One of the genres a person can nerd out on to no end.
	🥁 ♥ 10:33pm zzz: the chicago footwork stuff from a little while back was a revelation
	♥ 10:34pm Sam Segal: Thanks for the tip on the Guston show, CC. I'd love to check it out.
	🥁 ♥ 10:36pm northguineahills: I needed some good house. I've been to many house raves, but my favorite was soulful house at Ft Greene Park, as it was free and people from all walks of life dancing. Junior Vazquez was there plus others.
	♥ 10:37pm Sam Segal: @CC: I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to visual art, so I wasn't really familiar with Guston until the controversy last year around the exhibition of his work with the Klan imagery. Seems like a positive step that his work is being shown again.
	🥁 ♥ 10:38pm northguineahills: Also, try Qwaito, a South Aftrican genre, sort of like an elcetro version of footwoork.
	♥ 10:39pm Sam Segal: Right on, NGH. I like Gqom, but I've never heard of Qwaito.
	10:39pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That looks like Franklin Ave today
	🥁 ♥ 10:40pm doctorjazz: Kol Nidre, Ve'Asorei, OoShevooei... Like the way my Cantor sings that (almost went to the live version-had 4 family members here, 3 were OK but one not comfortable with it, so we attended via zoom).
	🥁 ♥ 10:40pm northguineahills: Oh, I also recomend !Gqom (Durban, SA) oh, and Sam beat me) (the exclamation point is for the upper click before hand, linguistically)
	♥ 10:41pm Sam Segal: Kenzo! The more things change, etc.
	♥ 10:43pm Sam Segal: @Doc: I wish I was catching you deeper into your fast...the loopiness of low blood sugar would've paired well with tonight's selections.
	10:43pm Constantly Choking: @Sam Yeah I believe the Hauser Wirth show is a response to the swath of Museum shows being delayed last year. It's having a huge impact in the painting world, people are really being affected by the exhibition. Really hoping I can get to it....
	🥁 ♥ 10:46pm Ike: I'm vaxxed but I'm still feeling extra cautious -- haven't been into Manhattan at all lately, but a visit to the galleries in Chelsea is certainly alluring.
	🥁 ♥ 10:46pm WR: Hi all. CC, thank you for alerting us about Philip Guston. Didn't know his work. Very interesting.
	🥁 ♥ 10:49pm doctorjazz: Speaking of attending events live, I got a ticket to see John Zorn/Masada (the latest version) in August in a Sunday Matinee performance at the Village Vanguard. Must be many folks going out-it was announced in the afternoon, I wanted to check at home for conflicts and went on the VV site that night, and there was 1 ticket left (sold out after I bought it). Psyched. I'm OK with going out in the current "vaccine required" NY mandate (wouldn't be comfortable, say, in Florida or Texas, for that and obviously other reasons...)
	♥ 10:50pm Sam Segal: Ike and WR! Glad to have you both in the Horse's Den.
	🥁 ♥ 10:51pm zzz: new masada quartet with julian lage is incredible. saw them on the last vanguard run pre covid and was blown away. was thrilled to see a tzadik release planned for october
	🥁 ♥ 10:51pm doctorjazz: Article on Guston from NY Times last yr... www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 10:51pm Sam Segal: Ah man, that's gonna be a great show, Doc. I think Zorn's actually playing sax in that group too. I should've gotten a ticket.
	🥁 ♥ 10:52pm zzz: i saw those 2 matinees announced earlier this week. hesitated for a day and the first was sold out, but was able to get one for the second weekend
	🥁 ♥ 10:53pm northguineahills: @zzz: I love Masada!
	10:53pm Constantly Choking: yeah WR! I'm a Guston obsessive so I'm thrilled that he's receiving so much recognition lately
	🥁 ♥ 10:54pm doctorjazz: zzz, glad to hear it, Lage is amazing (have great recordings of him with Nels Cline, in duo and in the Nels Cline 4. Have seen him live with the Nels Cline 4 and his own group. Psyched to get to see them (Pretty sure Zorn will play, though he does conduct many Masada units). I got the last ticket to the 1st Sunday (couldn't get to the 2nd, conflict that day)
	🥁 ♥ 10:54pm WR: sounded better sideways.
	🥁 ♥ 10:56pm doctorjazz: Some of the best live shows I've been to were at the original Knitting Factory, with the original Masada quartet.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm zzz: zorn plays in this group, interplay with lage reminiscent of his playing w/ dave douglas in original unit.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm doctorjazz: (I procrastinated the last time Masada did a Sunday Matinee at the Vanguard, and all shows sold out before I got tickets)
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: zzz, I'm already salivating...
	10:59pm rw: Hello!
	🥁 ♥ 11:01pm WR: Sam, when you "at least I am having fun" I totally guffawed loudly.
	♥ 11:02pm Sam Segal: @WR: A guffaw counts as fun, so I guess I'm not alone!
	♥ 11:02pm Sam Segal: RW! It's you!
	🥁 ♥ 11:03pm WR: doc, what do you mean by the "original masada quartet"? yes I am being lazy...
	🥁 ♥ 11:05pm doctorjazz: The original Masada was: John Zorn - alto sax, Dave Douglas - trumpet, Joey Baron - drums, Greg Cohen - bass)
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm doctorjazz: D'Angelo gets the most interesting groove on; it's sort of an "anti-groove", swings in still motion, if I'm making any sense.
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm doctorjazz: Feels much like Marvin Gaye sometimes
	♥ 11:07pm Sam Segal: I know exactly what you mean, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 11:10pm doctorjazz: That quartet, Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, Baron, was crazy good, intense, quite a live show way back then (and put out 10 studio albums, labeled 1-10 in hebrew letters, a few live albums, then dissolved. Douglas has done quite a few fine things on his own, of course).
	🥁 ♥ 11:11pm zzz: ever see electric masada? way intense,
	🥁 ♥ 11:13pm doctorjazz: Yup, I did see Electric Masada once, and they were indeed very intense, but I preferred the quartet.
	11:14pm rw: I didn't know there was a controversy over the Klan imagery in Guston's paintings. I guess I should get a subscription to the NYTimes.
	🥁 ♥ 11:17pm zzz: yeah totally different EM like a super heavy shredding jam band with an electric miles flavor, and as for the original, i think zorn supposedly didnt like the comparison but i think really was like ornette coleman’s early quartet meets klezmer/jewish music scales
	11:20pm Constantly Choking: RW, The performative fear of Guston's imagery was willfully misguided...the Museums greatly underestimated the public's capacity to understand complicated art and the backlash within the art world has been intense and ceaseless, hence the current show at Hauser & Wirth
	🥁 ♥ 11:23pm WR: Gotta cut out a bit early. Laters all.
	🥁 ♥ 11:23pm doctorjazz: That's a pretty good description, zzz. I found the diffuse shredding and jamming of Electric Masada a bit unfocused, the quartet just were at peak constantly during the show. I'm not sure Zorn would mind the comparison-around the same time as that Masada band (maybe a bit before) he had his Spy vs Spy band with Tim Berne, which I also saw, was also intense and tremendous, and was playing Ornette's music. He was obviously very influenced by Ornette)
	🥁 ♥ 11:24pm doctorjazz: Fun set, btw Sam, enjoying it!
	♥ 11:24pm Sam Segal: Adios, WR!
	🥁 ♥ 11:25pm doctorjazz: Night, WR!
	♥ 11:25pm Sam Segal: Thank you for saying so, Doc.
	11:25pm rw: Ah! Thanks, CC. I did a quick bit of research. I do understand why the museums might be worried, but it's cool that Hauser is doing the show. No backlash so far, I'm guessing.
	11:26pm Constantly Choking: later WR!
	11:26pm rw: WR! Laters.
	11:26pm Constantly Choking: None so far, the paintings are too strong and the exploration too genuine ;)
	11:28pm rw: CC, nice avatar, by the way.
	11:30pm Constantly Choking: RW haha yep! He's my favorite painter and has been since I was a teenager...I could talk about him and his work forever....don't tempt me This song is so good Sam!
	11:39pm rw: Holy cow! Preach it Sam!!
	11:41pm rw: How could The Tonight Show be so irresponsible? And why did it take them over half a century?
	🥁 ♥ 11:41pm doctorjazz: Sounds line my family... (my daughter sometimes posts videos with dissonant music playing, videoing her reaction shots, captioned "Why does my father listen to this?" (in fun, of course)
	♥ 11:42pm Sam Segal: I think its a testament to just how radical this music was when it came into the world...it remains impossible to incorporate it into the mainstream
	♥ 11:42pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, sounds like your daughter could get a gig writing for the Tonight Show, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 11:43pm doctorjazz: True dat-it'll never become mainstream...
	🥁 ♥ 11:43pm doctorjazz: From your mouth, Sam...
	11:46pm Constantly Choking: I find it annoying when folks like Brotzmann make challenging work and then people experience the fact that they are being challenged as an experience of something bad or oblivious. People can be so smug while missing a point entirely
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm northguineahills: Sort of like how John Cage performed Water Walk on "I've got a secret" or Frank Zappa played a bicycle on the Steve Allen Show. Both performances garnered a lot of laughter from the audience, but both John and Frank liked to incorporate humor in their works...
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm doctorjazz: Mostly, I don't think most people want to work at music (or movies, or art...). They work all day-entertainment is how these things are perceived, not art for the most part, requiring you put some effort into it.
	🥁 ♥ 11:48pm william b: Back in my college days I couldn't find a single person interested in seeing Peter Brötzmann, even in the more avant music circles. I ended up driving out solo to Ojai CA to take in his set with an audience of maybe eight other people. Good times in Ojai!
	♥ 11:50pm Sam Segal: Haha, as a person who has also gone to a Peter Brotzmann show unaccompanied, I can relate, William!
	11:50pm rw: william b, I'll go with you next time.
	🥁 ♥ 11:51pm doctorjazz: My wife sometimes accompanies me to adventurous music, but she'll read a book on her phone if it is too "out". It's easier to go myself usually.
	🥁 ♥ 11:51pm northguineahills: I wasn't able to see Peter Brotzmann until I moved to NYC, he never made to FL when I was in into music.
	🥁 ♥ 11:53pm doctorjazz: Never got to see Brotzmann. I went to hear BassDrumBone shortly before the pandemic, with my significant other, I loved it, she couldn't wait until it ended.
	11:53pm rw: I saw PB once with Keiji Haino not too many years ago. Pretty great.
	♥ 11:53pm Sam Segal: First and only time seeing him was at the Vision Festival with William Parker and Hamid Drake.
	🥁 ♥ 11:54pm doctorjazz: Almost quitting time, thanks Sam, loved the show!
	🥁 ♥ 11:55pm william b: Glad I'm not alone in experiencing this! I was worried it was the potential company keeping people away. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for any solo-going stablemates next time around.
	🥁 ♥ 11:55pm zzz: brotzmann + keiji haino = whoa
	11:55pm rw: And I was sort of kidding about the Tonight Show. Totally understand the joke. (thought I'm sure I wouldn't share in it)
	♥ 11:55pm Sam Segal: Thanks for being here, Doc!
	11:56pm rw: zzz, indeed.
	11:56pm Constantly Choking: Great show tonight Sam I really enjoyed it! always nice to bask in interesting music with WFMU folks. Hope you all rest easy
	🥁 ♥ 11:57pm zzz: SS: trio of brotzmann and drake/parker- never saw but their release “never too late but always too early” is a fav
	♥ 11:57pm Sam Segal: You are kind, CC! Thanks again for the tip on the Guston show. Really going to try to make it. Hope you get to see it too.
	🥁 ♥ 11:57pm zzz: thx for the show tonight. good yontif!
	🥁 ♥ 11:58pm doctorjazz: Jarrett is one I didn't get to see, now too late (I actually went to see him solo years back at the Village Vanguard. Noisy, tourist crowd that night. He started to play, stopped. Waited a few minutes, started again, stopped. Waited a few minutes, played a third time, stopped, got up, left, show over. I understood why he was upset with the noise, but I was really pissed at the show being cancelled from under me (they did refund, he wouldn't go back out), and I never went to see him again. My error...
	11:58pm Constantly Choking: You should Sam! I'm certain it will have an impact. I am doing everything in my power to get there myself
	11:59pm Constantly Choking: how heartbreaking that must be for Jarrett, a true shame
	🥁 ♥ 11:59pm doctorjazz: A Git Yontif to you as well, zzz, and any celebrators out there!
	🥁 ♥ 12:00am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	12:00am rw: Thanks for the ride Mr. Segal. Sorry I didn't get here earlier. Take care everyone! Nice hanging with y'all.

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 15, 2021

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