WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 13, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techrime Enumerators!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin (well, Techrye) is poured. Always ready for a little Techtonic, of course.
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techknots!
	6:01pm Dougie: The WFMU algorithm keeps recommending archived techtonic shows. I can’t stop!
	6:02pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, all! That image made me LOL.
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and techmonkees!
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello everyone, fun to be listening live again, the game boy tune has grown on me and school holidays begin this Friday.
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Greetings Friends!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Mark! Tech Tockers!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: I'm for it!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi everyone! Friends! Music lovers!
	6:04pm DanFA: Yo
	🤖 6:04pm tim from washington: Oh, maybe I answered to soon.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark! I want to see Columbo do the "Oh, just one more thing" deal on Zuck et al.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Greets from your pal, ${jndi:ldap:www.wfmu.org...
	6:04pm Greg from ZONE 5: A bank?
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: Haha Greg, yeah!
	6:05pm morphe': The Gov't and their cousins ...
	6:05pm DanFA: Amazon
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi people!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: "Was ist ein Einbruch in eine Bank gegen die Gründung einer Bank?" -- B. Brecht
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: I had a feeling I'd have seen their names on a cool T-shirt at some point ...
	6:07pm Roland from Australia: a cartel, the mafia, pirates, privateers, marauders, apple, google, government, bank, big tech kabal
	6:09pm The Butterman: Scuzz pirates… no wait that’s Handy. Handy is a scuzz pirate. Our own, lovable scuzz pirate.
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: This is my favorite crime group based out of San Francisco: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:09pm P-90: Mark’s followed her “for many moons now”
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: I mean, there was an opening. I applied myself, basically. I went out for the team.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Especially important topic today.
	6:11pm Listener Robert: Tarantula trade??
	🤖 6:11pm DjLorraine: Hi Mark and informed citizens. I love this show.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Stolen ancient artifacts and fossils is a pretty big trade.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: "The algorithms are connecting buyers and sellers" - in other words, automatically - under Facebook's direction - for Facebook's profit. The collapse of parrot populations is a direct result.
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: Will be listening while feeding the local charismatic megafauna.
	6:14pm HyperDose: Emu exchange?
	6:15pm Androu B.: Good Evening, Mark & Tech Talkers! Finally decided to rejoin this chatboard after a long reprieve since things are getting a LOT more interesting in the world of tech, mainly concerning how Big Tech is now facing quite a lot of adversity and other challenges.
	6:15pm ultradamno: Flea market?
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Androu, thanks for joining!
	6:15pm Sunny: This is what bothers me the most… the exotic animal trading being supported by memes and such. It’s nightmarish.
	6:16pm DanFA: Mark Zuckerberg should be put on trial on the global stage for crimes against humanity and nature.
	6:16pm Gretchen P: Hi Mark, great edit so far! Excited to hear the show!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @Sunny memes are the least of it... it's the incredibly predatory profit motive of Facebook & Google that is fueling this.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Gretchen thanks for joining! So happy to spotlight your great work.
	6:17pm Listener Robert: I just want to know how the tarantula business became lucrative, and why that's a bad thing.
	6:17pm P-90: Yeah, let’s take Facebook as an example
	6:17pm Gretchen P: tarantula trade online: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/tarantula-illegal-willdlife-trade
	6:18pm Unjabbed listener: By using extreme censorship, fb and most media are depriving people from seeing this co vid vax in anything that doesn't adhere to the mainstream narrative. As a result it's quite possible that many have died unnecessarily.
	6:18pm Gretchen P: why wildlife trade online is bad: lots of reasons. starting w risk of more pandemics. animals tend to be treated / trafficked in horrific conditions
	6:19pm P-90: There are lots of tarantulas available on the Dark Web, fittingly enough
	6:20pm Listener Robert: Thanks, Gretchen. Could it be that the conditions are horrific because they're illegal, rather than vice versa?
	🤖 6:20pm PaulRobeson1920: wow… all non-english content is essentially unmoderated?
	6:20pm Gretchen P: yes, that's what i am saying...traffickers tend to transport animals in dangerous conditions, that cause extreme stress to the animals
	6:21pm Gretchen P: here is another article, not about bugs but cheetahs https://medium.com/@csicheetah
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: (the Wired article we just mentioned is in the links at left)
	6:24pm MarciB: All I can say is shut it down shut it down shut it down! Lina Khan are you listening? Argh...
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: @PaulRobeson the FCC is a little like that with "bad language" on the airwaves.
	6:24pm Roland from Australia: We need a place for free speech! (It’s not Facebook).
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Banks are not the only corporations that are "Too Big To Fail"
	6:27pm Blobs: Mark, Bitcoin fixes the financial incentives that contribute to literally all of these problems you address on the show.
	🤖 6:27pm tim from washington: @Gretchen P - thanks for joining the comments board. You are doing good work. Thank you.
	6:28pm DanFA: Nancy Reagan helped delay funding into finding a cure for AIDS. Gretchen is clearly no Nancy Reagan.
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: I edited a book last year on the evolutionary history of big cats, and the trade in tiger parts is really widespread and disheartening. Thanks for joining in here, Gretchen P. -- and for the work you're doing!
	6:28pm Listener Robert: All I gather from the artlcle at National Geographic is that zoologists want to keep tarantulas for themselves.
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1920: lawenforcementactionpartnership.org... Drug prohibition is at the root of a staggering array of problems in today’s society.
	6:30pm Listener Robert: So, Gretchen, then the solution would be to legalize and deregulate the trade. If it's the illegality that's making the conditions horrific...? War on drugs/animals/sex, anyone?
	6:32pm Gretchen P: AGREE: Drug prohibition is at the root of a staggering array of problems in today’s society.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from washington: @Listener Robert - Until that happens, is it OK for tech companies to facilitate and wet their beaks from criminal activity?
	6:33pm Fuzzy: Know Your Dealer -- timeless wisdom.
	6:33pm Blobs: Why are people risking criminal punishment to buy drugs and sell animals illegally online? Inequality. Plain & simple. These things are symptoms.
	6:33pm DanFA: Why hasn't QAnon gone after Big Tech if that's the case?
	6:35pm Unjabbed listener: Mark Hurst, do you approve of fb and most mainstream media outlets using extreme censorship on any posts that question the official narrative on co vid?
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: I love how the Romance Scams have an ancestor in the movie Honeymoon Killers.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Unjabbed that's off-topic for tonight's show. I've covered my covid thoughts on past shows. Please let's stay on topic. I will ban listeners who derail the conversation.
	6:36pm DanFA: If anyone still wants to support their favorite YouTube content creators (the non-toxic kind who do video essays), but without going to YouTube there's this: nebula.app
	6:36pm Listener Robert: Well, tim, yeah. Anything that helps people defeat unjust laws is good with me.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I'm sure there are plenty of Ghost Guns groups on Fb too.
	6:39pm Sunny: We live in a nightmare world now… because of social media.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: @Listener Robert - I'm definitely with you on drug prohibition and Blobs explanation for the reason why this happens.
	6:40pm MarciB: @Sunny - you got that right. It's so discouraging.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Right, Fuzzy? I don't think the commodification of legal weed is going to lead to safer weed ... just corporate weed.
	6:41pm Sunny: Dark, fascinating show. I hope FB is shutdown and Zuckerberg is thrown in jail
	6:42pm Sunny: There are still white suprematism groups and accounts allowed on Zuck’s platforms. They’re everywhere
	6:42pm MarciB: Ugh, FB et al claims they are "not publishers!" They sure as #^&%# are publishers!
	6:43pm DanFA: I'm so nostalgic for rotary phones.
	6:45pm hoeg: there was time for anticipation while the numbers clicked through
	6:45pm HyperDose: @Handy That's a whole other can of worms. Illicit cannabis is better quality (and cheaper) than what you get at a dispensary, but the concentrates have been iffy. Irresponsible people have been cutting corners by using the wrong carrier oils in vape cartridges. Knock-off brands also falsify lab reports. Pretty much the wild west. Fuzzy gives good advice.
	6:45pm Roland from Australia: Rotary dial, hours on the phone chatting with my pals in the 70’s
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: DanFA, I have a rotary phone! You're on the ball, HyperD.
	6:47pm Listener Robert: HH, cannabis was known to be so safe to begin with that there's very little that can be done to make it safer -- just replacement of smoking as a way to take it, and for-profit businesses ARE making progress in that regard.
	6:47pm MarciB: Thank you Gretchen for all your work and energy!
	6:48pm Roland from Australia: I feel nauseous listing to this show, but I can’t stop listening to Techtonic every week.
	6:48pm RevErie: I'm so happy Gretchen is in this world too!
	🤖 6:48pm tim from washington: I'm reading 1414 Degrees by Paul Stanley Carr who was on Techtonic a few weeks ago. It's really good. Carr really nails the lack of moral backbone of the big tech leaders that comes up on this show.I highly recommend it. It's a well-written, in the style of a political thriller with elements of A Promising Young Woman and has many laugh out loud moments.
	🤖 6:49pm tim from washington: Thanks, Gretchen. Keep up the good work!
	6:49pm P-90: Thanks! @Gretchen P
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: MLK’s “Beyond Vietnam” speech comes to mind…. Could the Algorithms be changed to amplify wholesome things? Is it possible for leadership to seek out and explicitly define the Moral High ground? …Trying to think how else to frame that idea
	6:50pm HyperDose: @Robert The introduction of solventless extraction methods has recently been making a big splash. This is as opposed to solvent-free, which like other drugs, uses solvents you then have to remove. This leaves trace amounts of potentially harmful chemicals.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: How do we promote a loving society?
	6:50pm DanFA: @Handy Haversack: where did you get your rotary phone?
	6:50pm Gretchen P: Thanks all and thanks Mark!! Great interview
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for your ongoing efforts in fighting the bad guys, Gretchen.
	6:50pm Gretchen P: #spreadlovenotcrime
	6:50pm DanFA: Thank you Gretchen
	6:51pm Listener Robert: I'm afraid there's an unspoken assumption here and elsewhere that I don't see the evidence for: that those who hold the strings of power (i.e. make or influence the making of laws) are better takers-care of wildlife than those who don't.
	6:52pm Unjabbed listener: Mark Hurst, just checked archives and see nothing related to my "off topic " question. Quite awful.
	6:53pm Androu B.: I would've been interested to hear Gretchen opinion about the ALF.
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: DanFA: this one from a secondhand store in Hudson, NY, I believe. I keep a push-button on hand for calling the bank and the like. Oh, yeah, tim, been meaning to pick that up! Thanks so much, Gretchen, for the conversation and the work. And thanks as always, Mark. Social media really is the call of Cthulhu: a force that cares nothing for humanity but is willing to sell it off wholesale to accomplish its own ends (oh, and created by deeply racist people). Great show tonight. Reached into many dark places.
	6:53pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Gretchen. I have been enlighed by this interview with Mark!
	6:54pm DanFA: Thank you, Handy.
	6:54pm Jackie G: C'mon, Jabby. Give us a break already. Mark is doing great work here.
	6:55pm ARB: Gigagoliath!
	6:55pm Listener Robert: I'm sure, Hyperdose. In the making of the pills most of us take, there are synthesis and purification steps that add toxic solvents that then must be removed. But it's very rare for that to lead to a problem; last I know of was with elixir sulfonamide in ethylene glycol, long time ago, and in that case the solvent was left IN.
	6:56pm Fuzzy: Unjabbed = idiot by default. Ignore the troll.
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm solo mon: Thank you mark! I love your topics!
	6:57pm HyperDose: Fantastic and eye-opening show, Mark & Gretchen. Thank you!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Gretchen!
	6:57pm DanFA: COC?
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark and Gretchen.
	6:58pm Androu B.: It's kind of ironic that as soon as the government gets through with Yuckerburg (mispelling intentional), they'll be moving on with the imminent prosecution of Julian Assange. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm P-90: For a guy who doesn’t support social media, Mark has actually caused me to follow a bunch of his guests in Twitter…
	6:58pm sufferwords: Thanks Mark
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark! Thank you Gretchen
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Oh yeah Antipop Consortium!
	6:59pm P-90: (Now eagerly following Gretchen)
	6:59pm DanFA: There's a song by Corrosion of Conformity also called Technocracy, from their hardcore punk era, for the more ADD listeners.
	7:00pm ultradamno: There's also a Chrome album called Techromancy
	7:19pm ED: Just tuned in. This is a great list of useful links!
	9:32pm Dano: Way to go, Mark! Your fire and passion in your voice at the end of the show is just what we need. Sure, the lawyers/representatives in DC have their place, but for the rest of us, we need to believe change can happen. With such intensity by you and others challenging the money train, we just might pull that off.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 13, 2021

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December 13, 2021: Gretchen Peters, exec director of ACCO, on crime and corruption online

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Tonight: Gretchen Peters, executive director, the Alliance to Counter Crime Online (ACCO) and the Center for Illicit Networks and Organized Crime (CINTOC)

Links:

• counteringcrime.org - ACCO website

• cintoc.org - CINTOC website

• @GretchenSPeters - Gretchen on Twitter - see in particular this thread by Gretchen from Dec 7

• 2018 Wired article featuring Gretchen, and mentioning the exchange between Zuck and Rep. Carter mentioned in the interview

• @CounteringCrime - ACCO on Twitter

• @_CINTOC - CINTOC on Twitter

• An open letter Gretchen & team sent to State AGs about the dangerous drug problem on Facebook (TimesUnion, Feb 15, 2021)

• AdvocatingForU.com, website showing the work done by ACCO member "Advocating For You" about romance scams

• Community Substandards: Capturing the Empty Promises of Big Tech's Safety Against Online Romance Scams (Advocating For You report)

• Section 230 Reform Naysayers Ignore Clear Problems Online-and the Clear Solutions: In October, with two former Hill staffers (one D one R), Gretchen Peters published an oped about ACCO's proposal to reform Section 230.

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techrime Enumerators!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin (well, Techrye) is poured. Always ready for a little Techtonic, of course.
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techknots!
	6:01pm Dougie: The WFMU algorithm keeps recommending archived techtonic shows. I can’t stop!
	6:02pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, all! That image made me LOL.
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and techmonkees!
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello everyone, fun to be listening live again, the game boy tune has grown on me and school holidays begin this Friday.
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Greetings Friends!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Mark! Tech Tockers!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: I'm for it!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi everyone! Friends! Music lovers!
	6:04pm DanFA: Yo
	🤖 6:04pm tim from washington: Oh, maybe I answered to soon.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark! I want to see Columbo do the "Oh, just one more thing" deal on Zuck et al.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Greets from your pal, ${jndi:ldap:www.wfmu.org...
	6:04pm Greg from ZONE 5: A bank?
	🤖 6:05pm chresti: Haha Greg, yeah!
	6:05pm morphe': The Gov't and their cousins ...
	6:05pm DanFA: Amazon
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi people!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: "Was ist ein Einbruch in eine Bank gegen die Gründung einer Bank?" -- B. Brecht
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: I had a feeling I'd have seen their names on a cool T-shirt at some point ...
	6:07pm Roland from Australia: a cartel, the mafia, pirates, privateers, marauders, apple, google, government, bank, big tech kabal
	6:09pm The Butterman: Scuzz pirates… no wait that’s Handy. Handy is a scuzz pirate. Our own, lovable scuzz pirate.
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: This is my favorite crime group based out of San Francisco: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:09pm P-90: Mark’s followed her “for many moons now”
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: I mean, there was an opening. I applied myself, basically. I went out for the team.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Especially important topic today.
	6:11pm Listener Robert: Tarantula trade??
	🤖 6:11pm DjLorraine: Hi Mark and informed citizens. I love this show.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Stolen ancient artifacts and fossils is a pretty big trade.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: "The algorithms are connecting buyers and sellers" - in other words, automatically - under Facebook's direction - for Facebook's profit. The collapse of parrot populations is a direct result.
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: Will be listening while feeding the local charismatic megafauna.
	6:14pm HyperDose: Emu exchange?
	6:15pm Androu B.: Good Evening, Mark & Tech Talkers! Finally decided to rejoin this chatboard after a long reprieve since things are getting a LOT more interesting in the world of tech, mainly concerning how Big Tech is now facing quite a lot of adversity and other challenges.
	6:15pm ultradamno: Flea market?
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Androu, thanks for joining!
	6:15pm Sunny: This is what bothers me the most… the exotic animal trading being supported by memes and such. It’s nightmarish.
	6:16pm DanFA: Mark Zuckerberg should be put on trial on the global stage for crimes against humanity and nature.
	6:16pm Gretchen P: Hi Mark, great edit so far! Excited to hear the show!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @Sunny memes are the least of it... it's the incredibly predatory profit motive of Facebook & Google that is fueling this.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Gretchen thanks for joining! So happy to spotlight your great work.
	6:17pm Listener Robert: I just want to know how the tarantula business became lucrative, and why that's a bad thing.
	6:17pm P-90: Yeah, let’s take Facebook as an example
	6:17pm Gretchen P: tarantula trade online: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/tarantula-illegal-willdlife-trade
	6:18pm Unjabbed listener: By using extreme censorship, fb and most media are depriving people from seeing this co vid vax in anything that doesn't adhere to the mainstream narrative. As a result it's quite possible that many have died unnecessarily.
	6:18pm Gretchen P: why wildlife trade online is bad: lots of reasons. starting w risk of more pandemics. animals tend to be treated / trafficked in horrific conditions
	6:19pm P-90: There are lots of tarantulas available on the Dark Web, fittingly enough
	6:20pm Listener Robert: Thanks, Gretchen. Could it be that the conditions are horrific because they're illegal, rather than vice versa?
	🤖 6:20pm PaulRobeson1920: wow… all non-english content is essentially unmoderated?
	6:20pm Gretchen P: yes, that's what i am saying...traffickers tend to transport animals in dangerous conditions, that cause extreme stress to the animals
	6:21pm Gretchen P: here is another article, not about bugs but cheetahs https://medium.com/@csicheetah
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: (the Wired article we just mentioned is in the links at left)
	6:24pm MarciB: All I can say is shut it down shut it down shut it down! Lina Khan are you listening? Argh...
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: @PaulRobeson the FCC is a little like that with "bad language" on the airwaves.
	6:24pm Roland from Australia: We need a place for free speech! (It’s not Facebook).
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Banks are not the only corporations that are "Too Big To Fail"
	6:27pm Blobs: Mark, Bitcoin fixes the financial incentives that contribute to literally all of these problems you address on the show.
	🤖 6:27pm tim from washington: @Gretchen P - thanks for joining the comments board. You are doing good work. Thank you.
	6:28pm DanFA: Nancy Reagan helped delay funding into finding a cure for AIDS. Gretchen is clearly no Nancy Reagan.
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: I edited a book last year on the evolutionary history of big cats, and the trade in tiger parts is really widespread and disheartening. Thanks for joining in here, Gretchen P. -- and for the work you're doing!
	6:28pm Listener Robert: All I gather from the artlcle at National Geographic is that zoologists want to keep tarantulas for themselves.
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1920: lawenforcementactionpartnership.org... Drug prohibition is at the root of a staggering array of problems in today’s society.
	6:30pm Listener Robert: So, Gretchen, then the solution would be to legalize and deregulate the trade. If it's the illegality that's making the conditions horrific...? War on drugs/animals/sex, anyone?
	6:32pm Gretchen P: AGREE: Drug prohibition is at the root of a staggering array of problems in today’s society.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from washington: @Listener Robert - Until that happens, is it OK for tech companies to facilitate and wet their beaks from criminal activity?
	6:33pm Fuzzy: Know Your Dealer -- timeless wisdom.
	6:33pm Blobs: Why are people risking criminal punishment to buy drugs and sell animals illegally online? Inequality. Plain & simple. These things are symptoms.
	6:33pm DanFA: Why hasn't QAnon gone after Big Tech if that's the case?
	6:35pm Unjabbed listener: Mark Hurst, do you approve of fb and most mainstream media outlets using extreme censorship on any posts that question the official narrative on co vid?
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: I love how the Romance Scams have an ancestor in the movie Honeymoon Killers.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Unjabbed that's off-topic for tonight's show. I've covered my covid thoughts on past shows. Please let's stay on topic. I will ban listeners who derail the conversation.
	6:36pm DanFA: If anyone still wants to support their favorite YouTube content creators (the non-toxic kind who do video essays), but without going to YouTube there's this: nebula.app
	6:36pm Listener Robert: Well, tim, yeah. Anything that helps people defeat unjust laws is good with me.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I'm sure there are plenty of Ghost Guns groups on Fb too.
	6:39pm Sunny: We live in a nightmare world now… because of social media.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: @Listener Robert - I'm definitely with you on drug prohibition and Blobs explanation for the reason why this happens.
	6:40pm MarciB: @Sunny - you got that right. It's so discouraging.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Right, Fuzzy? I don't think the commodification of legal weed is going to lead to safer weed ... just corporate weed.
	6:41pm Sunny: Dark, fascinating show. I hope FB is shutdown and Zuckerberg is thrown in jail
	6:42pm Sunny: There are still white suprematism groups and accounts allowed on Zuck’s platforms. They’re everywhere
	6:42pm MarciB: Ugh, FB et al claims they are "not publishers!" They sure as #^&%# are publishers!
	6:43pm DanFA: I'm so nostalgic for rotary phones.
	6:45pm hoeg: there was time for anticipation while the numbers clicked through
	6:45pm HyperDose: @Handy That's a whole other can of worms. Illicit cannabis is better quality (and cheaper) than what you get at a dispensary, but the concentrates have been iffy. Irresponsible people have been cutting corners by using the wrong carrier oils in vape cartridges. Knock-off brands also falsify lab reports. Pretty much the wild west. Fuzzy gives good advice.
	6:45pm Roland from Australia: Rotary dial, hours on the phone chatting with my pals in the 70’s
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: DanFA, I have a rotary phone! You're on the ball, HyperD.
	6:47pm Listener Robert: HH, cannabis was known to be so safe to begin with that there's very little that can be done to make it safer -- just replacement of smoking as a way to take it, and for-profit businesses ARE making progress in that regard.
	6:47pm MarciB: Thank you Gretchen for all your work and energy!
	6:48pm Roland from Australia: I feel nauseous listing to this show, but I can’t stop listening to Techtonic every week.
	6:48pm RevErie: I'm so happy Gretchen is in this world too!
	🤖 6:48pm tim from washington: I'm reading 1414 Degrees by Paul Stanley Carr who was on Techtonic a few weeks ago. It's really good. Carr really nails the lack of moral backbone of the big tech leaders that comes up on this show.I highly recommend it. It's a well-written, in the style of a political thriller with elements of A Promising Young Woman and has many laugh out loud moments.
	🤖 6:49pm tim from washington: Thanks, Gretchen. Keep up the good work!
	6:49pm P-90: Thanks! @Gretchen P
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: MLK’s “Beyond Vietnam” speech comes to mind…. Could the Algorithms be changed to amplify wholesome things? Is it possible for leadership to seek out and explicitly define the Moral High ground? …Trying to think how else to frame that idea
	6:50pm HyperDose: @Robert The introduction of solventless extraction methods has recently been making a big splash. This is as opposed to solvent-free, which like other drugs, uses solvents you then have to remove. This leaves trace amounts of potentially harmful chemicals.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: How do we promote a loving society?
	6:50pm DanFA: @Handy Haversack: where did you get your rotary phone?
	6:50pm Gretchen P: Thanks all and thanks Mark!! Great interview
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for your ongoing efforts in fighting the bad guys, Gretchen.
	6:50pm Gretchen P: #spreadlovenotcrime
	6:50pm DanFA: Thank you Gretchen
	6:51pm Listener Robert: I'm afraid there's an unspoken assumption here and elsewhere that I don't see the evidence for: that those who hold the strings of power (i.e. make or influence the making of laws) are better takers-care of wildlife than those who don't.
	6:52pm Unjabbed listener: Mark Hurst, just checked archives and see nothing related to my "off topic " question. Quite awful.
	6:53pm Androu B.: I would've been interested to hear Gretchen opinion about the ALF.
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: DanFA: this one from a secondhand store in Hudson, NY, I believe. I keep a push-button on hand for calling the bank and the like. Oh, yeah, tim, been meaning to pick that up! Thanks so much, Gretchen, for the conversation and the work. And thanks as always, Mark. Social media really is the call of Cthulhu: a force that cares nothing for humanity but is willing to sell it off wholesale to accomplish its own ends (oh, and created by deeply racist people). Great show tonight. Reached into many dark places.
	6:53pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Gretchen. I have been enlighed by this interview with Mark!
	6:54pm DanFA: Thank you, Handy.
	6:54pm Jackie G: C'mon, Jabby. Give us a break already. Mark is doing great work here.
	6:55pm ARB: Gigagoliath!
	6:55pm Listener Robert: I'm sure, Hyperdose. In the making of the pills most of us take, there are synthesis and purification steps that add toxic solvents that then must be removed. But it's very rare for that to lead to a problem; last I know of was with elixir sulfonamide in ethylene glycol, long time ago, and in that case the solvent was left IN.
	6:56pm Fuzzy: Unjabbed = idiot by default. Ignore the troll.
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm solo mon: Thank you mark! I love your topics!
	6:57pm HyperDose: Fantastic and eye-opening show, Mark & Gretchen. Thank you!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Gretchen!
	6:57pm DanFA: COC?
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark and Gretchen.
	6:58pm Androu B.: It's kind of ironic that as soon as the government gets through with Yuckerburg (mispelling intentional), they'll be moving on with the imminent prosecution of Julian Assange. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm P-90: For a guy who doesn’t support social media, Mark has actually caused me to follow a bunch of his guests in Twitter…
	6:58pm sufferwords: Thanks Mark
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark! Thank you Gretchen
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Oh yeah Antipop Consortium!
	6:59pm P-90: (Now eagerly following Gretchen)
	6:59pm DanFA: There's a song by Corrosion of Conformity also called Technocracy, from their hardcore punk era, for the more ADD listeners.
	7:00pm ultradamno: There's also a Chrome album called Techromancy
	7:19pm ED: Just tuned in. This is a great list of useful links!
	9:32pm Dano: Way to go, Mark! Your fire and passion in your voice at the end of the show is just what we need. Sure, the lawyers/representatives in DC have their place, but for the rest of us, we need to believe change can happen. With such intensity by you and others challenging the money train, we just might pull that off.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 13, 2021

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