WFMU: Currents with Brian D: Playlist from February 20, 2022

Listener comments!
	⚡ 3:06am Don in Tampere: Good morning from the boreal regions!
	3:10am luc_m: hi there from central europe
	3:15am Brian D: Greetings Europeans!
	3:20am luc_m: after all the lies and medical unnecessary measures taken the last 2 yrs how can anyone with a critical mind still blindly trust the autorities?
	⚡ 3:27am Don in Tampere: What unnecessary measures are you referring to? The world was confronted with a new pathogen, scientists, physicians (and in the countries lucky enough to have politicians who actually listen to the former) had to develop responses on the fly, and as a result, measures needed to change with new data, and later with new variants. That's how science works. Countries that responded quickly and firmly suffered far less overloading of the health system, and even within Germany, it was the regions with a high population of "Querdenker" (many of us prefer the term "Quarkdenker") and low vaccination rates that ran out of space in ICUs.
	3:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...nowhere close to up yet - tuned in one level or another !...
	3:29am luc_m: unnecessary measures? take the lockdown, which produced NO significant difference in hospitalizations and death; which means it was a panic driven economical suicide; utter lunacy after the fact
	3:30am Brian D: Welcome Rev.
	3:32am Brian D: With respect, Luc, we never really locked down here in the US, and we have nearly 1 million dead to show for it and still more than 2,000 deaths per day. Lockdowns suck, but in the absence of anything else, they are a necessary evil.
	⚡ 3:35am Don in Tampere: If you're referring to the recently published, but not peer-reviewed paper that came out of an economics department, people who know what they are talking about are already calling bullshit on it. nationalpost.com...
	3:35am luc_m: I was referring of course to the situation here (belgium), where protest against unnecessary measures is steadily growing
	3:35am fred: Hello Brian and listeners
	3:35am Brian D: Hey Fred!
	3:37am luc_m: Covid is the new flu - and we're all gonna get it some time or another; nobody is prepared is lock themselves up in their apartment or house; vaccinations help of course for the vulnerable segment of population
	⚡ 3:40am Don in Tampere: People protesting against measures doesn't make the measures useless. There are always going to be cranks. And the bulk of the peer-reviewed literature does say that restrictions have made a significant difference. It also looks that way by comparing death rates in Sweden with those of Norway and Finland, companies with similar demographics and climates. It hasn't stopped omicron from spreading, but it has slowed it down until a less dangerous and more contagious variant emerged and a large proportion of the population was vaccinated - which apparently doesn't do a lot to stop omicron but does indeed protect very well against serious illness.
	3:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or - the shocking overwhelm experienced by hospitals & caregivers & millions dead & forever altered longterm by this contagion - are attributable to the people who wouldn't simply mask, distance - & vaccinate. ...But rather - not wanting to be 'sheep' (face an inconvenient truth & hardships with grownup embrace of facts - & social responsibility ...& sniff sniff are frankly just afraid of the smallest needle prick I've ever experienced in my life...) - instead go with the pronouncements of RightWing fascist media like Fox &tc. - & bullish*t Bro culture conspiracy ...filling themselves with horse dewormer or whatever it is. Cause 'think for themselves'. It's about time (like - two years & millions of unnecessary deaths) that the rest of us Protest that with mandates - & treating the willfully socially malevolent as they are so ripely asking to be treated. Covid-19 is a novel virus. Yes, it will eventually be endemic not pandemic. But it is not the 'flu'. Herd Immunity is an easy phrase to say - but the Black Plague & the historical decimation of indigenous populations in the Americas are examples of what it really looks like... We might as well as just kept Polio around for kicks - & seen whose immunity really made them 'worthy'... Or is just 50 or 60 years too much factual historical perspective for the internet mentality...
	3:42am morphe': Who is the woman who was in the hospital being spoken of?
	⚡ 3:43am Don in Tampere: Gute Besserung to your wife! I had hernia surgery way back in 1993 when I was living in Japan, and I still remember how incredibly sore I was after that. There is also a story about not sharing a common language with the night nurse and the word "painkira?" which wasn't funny at the time but sort of is now.
	⚡ 3:44am Don in Tampere: Rev, I was trying to be more diplomatic but I fundamentally agree with everything you wrote.
	3:45am luc_m: nothing wrong with a healthy debate imho
	3:45am devlawn: Dallas Good.
	3:48am Brian D: Thank you, Don. And yes, Morphe, hello, it was my wife who was in the hospital. And, Luc, of course you are correct. Healthy debate good. Just hope it stays healthy and polite. We've all been through so much the past two-plus years.
	3:54am morphe': Tomorrow/history... 21Feb1965 - Malcolm X murdered with the complicity of NYPD, FBI, etc... Always forget he was but 39..... Still many unanswered questions ...
	3:55am Brian D: Right, Morphe. Shamefully, I only read The Autobiography of Malcolm X a year or so ago.
	3:59am devlawn: Spoon man!!!
	4:02am devlawn: now i want to know about the third button.
	4:02am Brian D: Stay tuned, dev.
	4:05am luc_m: what about JFK and MLK, both assassinated by the National Security State... in both cases patsies were blamed; the Warren commission whitewashed the JFK facts, directed behind the scenes by Allen Dulles (former CIA director)
	4:08am fred: I saw a dance show last week that at one point featured the words "the fire next time" with a background of pictures from civil rights protests. Talking about it with coworkers, I was surprised none had heard of James Baldwin. Then it turned out one didn't know who Dr King was. I guess there's no reason for a young European guy to know about US history
	4:10am luc_m: sorry for existing fred, I'm interested in international politics, climate crisis, and music. Sorry for reading books and being nosy. :p
	4:10am Brian D: Wow, Fred, normally I'd agree that there's no need to have US history be any more important than, say, French history, but Baldwin and King are figures of global relevance.
	4:13am fred: Speaking of Belgium, here comes Elg again (he's French but lives in Brussels). I'm happy he gets so much airplay on the station
	4:14am _Ike_: Hi all. @Don, funny you mention "Querdenkers". I don't subscribe to many podcasts, but I just recently listened to an episode of the conspiracy-debunking QAnon Anonymous that talked about Q in Germany. Fascinating, but disturbing.
	4:17am Brian D: Greetings Ike.
	4:18am i̺k̺e̺: Ultimately a lot of these beliefs are strangely comforting. If someone (supposedly the Rothschilds, in a lot of cases, because it often boils down to anti-Semitism) is conspiring to control everything, then that means somebody is in charge. It might be somebody who's supposedly evil, but that's still more comforting than nobody having much control and the world being chaos. Also it provides people with a quest to "take back" the world. People love quests. Is it because people really want to impose a narrative on their lives, to give things a point, an A to B to C? Lives don't fit into simple narratives, why can't anybody accept that?
	4:18am devlawn: I'm less then 3, on this set.
	4:22am ike̶̬̕: Note to self: stop eating dark chocolate after 1 a.m., otherwise you might spaz out and start posting long, rambling comments.
	4:23am Brian D: Never stop eating dark chocolate, Ike.
	4:24am luc_m: agreed
	⚡ 4:26am Don in Tampere: Ike, it is indeed disturbing, and "Quarkdenker" doesn't mean they are particle physicists. Quark is a kind of fresh cheese but it is also sometimes used to mean BS. Generally characterized by believing in conspiracy theories, horse de-wormer, bleach etc. in preference to scientific evidence. And as we've discussed in this chat room before, the whole Q thing has lead to strange alliances between crystal hippies and neo-Nazis. I liked Q better when it was the lost early Gospel believed to have been the source of the synoptics. BTW, silly scientific trivia for the day: how the word quark got into particle physics. James Joyce lived for many years in Triest and Zurich and thus would have been well aware of quark. Then he used the word in "Finnegan's Wake". Murray Gell-Mann was apparently a fan of Joyce, liked the word (whether he also knew the original meaning of quark, I have no idea) and took it to name the class of particles he was postulating.
	4:28am Brian D: Those of us older folks in publishing/media remember the early page layout/design program, Quark.
	4:29am ike̶̬̕: Oh, I will definitely never stop eating dark chocolate. But I need to aim for an earlier dessert time. After 1 a.m. is not good for me, I think.
	4:29am luc_m: yeah, Quark Express (been a graphic designer for 5 yrs), and even before that, Pagemaker (where are the days)
	4:30am Brian D: Pagemaker is seriously old-school, luc.
	4:31am luc_m: I confess to being too old for a rock chat room :p
	4:33am Brian D: You're only as old as you feel, luc. And I feel pretty freakin' old at the minute.
	4:35am ike̶̬̕: "COVID Won’t End Up Like the Flu. It Will Be Like Smoking." www.theatlantic.com...
	⚡ 4:36am Don in Tampere: Wow, I had no idea that the word quark had also made it into graphic design. I wonder if it arrived via physics, Joyce or a German-speaking software developer, or maybe even something completely different.
	4:36am luc_m: The Atlantic, brought to you by Phizer
	4:37am fred: My go-to program for almost anything is vi. I guess that's pretty old-school
	4:37am devlawn: i do like the font and the colours
	4:40am devlawn: never meet your hero
	⚡ 4:40am Don in Tampere: Luc, got any evidence for Pfizer's influence over or interest in Atlantic? I certainly can't find any, and baseless claims are just that, baseless.
	4:41am devlawn: its hard to get in a good place
	4:44am luc_m: @Don in Tampere whether it's Phizer or other Big Pharma, or the MIC or Wall Street or some imperialist think tank, the Atlantic is part of the MSM created to bolster the narratives of the establishment; spme people rely more on independent news sources
	⚡ 4:51am Don in Tampere: The guy who wrote the article is a physician specializing in laboratory medicine. I have a lot more trust in his opinion that of some random anti-vaxxer on Youtube. Certainly there are cases where the "MSM" have not gotten it right, but independent news sources also need to be checked, and many of them are just echo chambers for conspiracy theorists. I do regularly watch Democracy Now, and they seem to work hard to have reliable sources even if they have a clear agenda. Brian, I think you've worked in journalism or publishing; what's your take from the inside on how much prominent media (e.g. Atlantic, NY Times) are in corporate pockets?
	4:56am devlawn: stairs
	5:00am Brian D: They're pretty much in corporate pockets, I'm afraid. Most of the reporters, mind you, are honest and do good work, but stories do get spiked and edited and the editorial/opinion pages... More credible than your Uncle Joe on Twitter, but you should always read with a critical and open mind. I'd say that about my own work. The thing about, say, the vaccines, is that there are 40,000 peer-reviewed articles that say they are safe/effective. And then there's Uncle Joe on Twitter. In other words, read more than one source -- and credible sources -- and then discern what's what. Democracy Now is great.
	5:00am devlawn: fuck this shit, there is more context
	⚡ 5:00am Geoffrey in Ottawa: Whoa! I'm in Ottawa and have spent the better part of the last two days watching coverage of this police action.
	5:01am fred: @Don: I think most of the Atlantic's coverage of COVID is financed by Zuckerberg. Maybe not a bright shining light for reliable information
	5:01am devlawn: hi geoff
	5:02am Brian D: Hello Geoff. Love your city. Sorry for its troubles.
	⚡ 5:07am Geoffrey in Ottawa: Hey, devlawun, thanks Brian. Hard to see how this plays out, but I guess we will.
	5:16am Brian D: The thing about protest: If you support the right to it (which I do) you have to support it in actual fact, even if you disagree with it. Doesn't make it any easier to live through, though.
	5:19am LiXiviated Life: “and so it goes”
	⚡ 5:20am Geoffrey in Ottawa: @Brian I agree with you. What are the limits? Are there limits? Should you be allowed to park a big rig in front of my house and lean on the horn for days unrelenting?
	5:24am Brian D: Valid questions, @Geoff. My neighborhood was at the center of the NYC George Floyd Protests in June 2020. I supported the Black Lives Matter protests then and still do support the movement -- even with the fires, vandalism, looting that surrounded those protests.
	5:25am Brian D: But I won't lie: I've had better moments in my life.
	5:29am LiXiviated Life: just a thought. but I wonder if we all would treat each other with more kindness if we were mindful of our own mortality . momento mori
	5:31am Brian D: Perhaps, Lix, perhaps.
	5:37am LiXiviated Life: the wave of this life rise, fall crest, ebb begin everything in between end. Why not.act with kindness ?
	⚡ 5:40am Geoffrey in Ottawa: @Brian I am not in disagreement with you. It seems to me there is a certain obtuseness to this particular protest, and I guess I find that frustrating. I mean, how hard is it to wear a mask? Please do so to ensure that my 82-year-old father does not get sick.
	5:42am Brian D: We're on the same page Geoff. I'm masked up right now!
	5:53am annette: i value protests but not at the expense of hurting my neighbors
	5:55am Brian D: Thank you all for joining me this week, and for the lively discussion. Stay safe and have a great week.
	5:56am luc_m: criminalizing trucker protesters (like Trudeau does now) is even more hurtful for a nominally democratic society like Canada
	5:58am luc_m: cheers for the set Brian

Currents with Brian D: Playlist from February 20, 2022

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February 20, 2022: "Touch me I'm sick!"

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Replacements	Take Me Down To The Hospital	Hootenanny	Twin Tone		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Elias McDaniel and the De Facto Brothers	Pills	Be Good to Yourself	Seventh Son Records		0:03:29 (Pop-up)
Mudhoney	Touch Me I'm Sick "Touch Me I'm Sick" by "Mudhoney"	Live at El Sol	Munster		0:06:20 (Pop-up)
Pow Wows	You Haven't Got Me Yet "You Haven't Got Me Yet" by "Pow Wows"	Broken Curses	Get Hip		0:08:54 (Pop-up)
Spoon	The Hardest Cut "The Hardest Cut" by "Spoon"	Lucifer On The Sofa	Matador		0:12:20 (Pop-up)
	Clip: Al Jazeera Austria vaccine mandates				0:15:34 (Pop-up)
Robert Pollard	Long Live Instant Pandemonium	Of Course You Are	Fire Records		0:16:59 (Pop-up)
The Rationals	Leavin' Here "Leavin' Here" by "The Rationals"	Lenny Kaye Presents Lightning Striking	Ace		0:19:38 (Pop-up)
	Clip: DW News-on the latest in Ukraine				0:22:36 (Pop-up)
The Sadies	Guns Speak/Dying Is Easy	Precious Moments	Yep Roc	R.I.P. Dallas Good	0:24:10 (Pop-up)
Brett Harris and the DeFacto Brothers	Better Things	Be Good to Yourself	Seventh Son Records	Kinks cover	0:26:22 (Pop-up)
Mayhem	Freezing Moon "Freezing Moon" by "Mayhem"	Lenny Kaye Presents Lightning Striking	Ace		0:29:11 (Pop-up)
Kuunatic	Raven's War "Raven's War" by "Kuunatic"	Gate of Klüna	Glitterbeat		0:44:01 (Pop-up)
	Clip: NBC News-China's Eileen Gu "Clip: NBC News-China's Eileen Gu"				0:50:29 (Pop-up)
Velvet Underground	Sweet Jane (early version)	Loaded - Fully Loaded Edition	Atlantic		0:52:30 (Pop-up)
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac	Oh Well	Live at the BBC	Castle		0:58:29 (Pop-up)
Brrds	One Day All This Will Be A Memory	Liminal Space	Bungalow Ranch Records		1:00:56 (Pop-up)
Elg	Nouvelles du Bardo "Nouvelles du Bardo" by "Elg"	Dans Le Salon Du Nous	Vlek		1:06:18 (Pop-up)
Moon and Bike	Voyager "Voyager" by "Moon and Bike"	One	Self-Released		1:11:17 (Pop-up)
Dean McPhee	Witch's Ladder "Witch's Ladder" by "Dean McPhee"	Witch's Ladder	Hood Faire		1:15:43 (Pop-up)
	Clip: Fox 7 News-Robot dogs on US border				1:29:34 (Pop-up)
Mienakunaru	Invisible Hammerblow "Invisible Hammerblow" by "Mienakunaru"	Blood Sun	Feeding Tube		1:30:15 (Pop-up)
Ruth Goller	What's Up Is Not What's Real Most of the Time	Skylla	Vula Viel Records		1:42:21 (Pop-up)
Angel Bat Dawid & Tha Brothahood	London	Live	International Anthem		1:45:58 (Pop-up)
	Clip: CITY News-Ottawa trucker protest				1:56:59 (Pop-up)
BADBADNOTGOOD	Signal From The Noise	Talk Memory	XL Recordings		1:57:23 (Pop-up)
	Clip: Fox 35 News-fate of the ISS "Clip: Fox 35 News-fate of the ISS"				2:06:24 (Pop-up)
Irreversible Entanglements	Keys to Creation	Open the Gates	International Anthem		2:07:08 (Pop-up)
Ernesto Diaz-Infante	IX "IX" by "Ernesto Diaz-Infante"	Cuernos Al Sol	Headlights		2:20:50 (Pop-up)
OHR	Orange Glow "Orange Glow" by "OHR"	Walk in the Light	Headstate Records		2:27:18 (Pop-up)
The Exbats	Lika A Son "Lika A Son" by "The Exbats"	Now Where Were We	Goner Records		2:35:47 (Pop-up)
	Clip: CBC News-Amnesty report "Clip: CBC News-Amnesty report"				2:38:34 (Pop-up)
Big Blood	When Doves Cry / I Would Die for You	Fight for Your Dinner, Vol. 2	Don't Trust The Ruin		2:39:38 (Pop-up)
Mark Lanegan	Where Did You Sleep Last Night?	Lenny Kaye Presents Lightning Striking	Ace		2:47:27 (Pop-up)
Monsieur Doumani	Astrahan "Astrahan" by "Monsieur Doumani"	Pissourin	Forced Exposure		2:51:08 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	⚡ 3:06am Don in Tampere: Good morning from the boreal regions!
	3:10am luc_m: hi there from central europe
	3:15am Brian D: Greetings Europeans!
	3:20am luc_m: after all the lies and medical unnecessary measures taken the last 2 yrs how can anyone with a critical mind still blindly trust the autorities?
	⚡ 3:27am Don in Tampere: What unnecessary measures are you referring to? The world was confronted with a new pathogen, scientists, physicians (and in the countries lucky enough to have politicians who actually listen to the former) had to develop responses on the fly, and as a result, measures needed to change with new data, and later with new variants. That's how science works. Countries that responded quickly and firmly suffered far less overloading of the health system, and even within Germany, it was the regions with a high population of "Querdenker" (many of us prefer the term "Quarkdenker") and low vaccination rates that ran out of space in ICUs.
	3:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...nowhere close to up yet - tuned in one level or another !...
	3:29am luc_m: unnecessary measures? take the lockdown, which produced NO significant difference in hospitalizations and death; which means it was a panic driven economical suicide; utter lunacy after the fact
	3:30am Brian D: Welcome Rev.
	3:32am Brian D: With respect, Luc, we never really locked down here in the US, and we have nearly 1 million dead to show for it and still more than 2,000 deaths per day. Lockdowns suck, but in the absence of anything else, they are a necessary evil.
	⚡ 3:35am Don in Tampere: If you're referring to the recently published, but not peer-reviewed paper that came out of an economics department, people who know what they are talking about are already calling bullshit on it. nationalpost.com...
	3:35am luc_m: I was referring of course to the situation here (belgium), where protest against unnecessary measures is steadily growing
	3:35am fred: Hello Brian and listeners
	3:35am Brian D: Hey Fred!
	3:37am luc_m: Covid is the new flu - and we're all gonna get it some time or another; nobody is prepared is lock themselves up in their apartment or house; vaccinations help of course for the vulnerable segment of population
	⚡ 3:40am Don in Tampere: People protesting against measures doesn't make the measures useless. There are always going to be cranks. And the bulk of the peer-reviewed literature does say that restrictions have made a significant difference. It also looks that way by comparing death rates in Sweden with those of Norway and Finland, companies with similar demographics and climates. It hasn't stopped omicron from spreading, but it has slowed it down until a less dangerous and more contagious variant emerged and a large proportion of the population was vaccinated - which apparently doesn't do a lot to stop omicron but does indeed protect very well against serious illness.
	3:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or - the shocking overwhelm experienced by hospitals & caregivers & millions dead & forever altered longterm by this contagion - are attributable to the people who wouldn't simply mask, distance - & vaccinate. ...But rather - not wanting to be 'sheep' (face an inconvenient truth & hardships with grownup embrace of facts - & social responsibility ...& sniff sniff are frankly just afraid of the smallest needle prick I've ever experienced in my life...) - instead go with the pronouncements of RightWing fascist media like Fox &tc. - & bullish*t Bro culture conspiracy ...filling themselves with horse dewormer or whatever it is. Cause 'think for themselves'. It's about time (like - two years & millions of unnecessary deaths) that the rest of us Protest that with mandates - & treating the willfully socially malevolent as they are so ripely asking to be treated. Covid-19 is a novel virus. Yes, it will eventually be endemic not pandemic. But it is not the 'flu'. Herd Immunity is an easy phrase to say - but the Black Plague & the historical decimation of indigenous populations in the Americas are examples of what it really looks like... We might as well as just kept Polio around for kicks - & seen whose immunity really made them 'worthy'... Or is just 50 or 60 years too much factual historical perspective for the internet mentality...
	3:42am morphe': Who is the woman who was in the hospital being spoken of?
	⚡ 3:43am Don in Tampere: Gute Besserung to your wife! I had hernia surgery way back in 1993 when I was living in Japan, and I still remember how incredibly sore I was after that. There is also a story about not sharing a common language with the night nurse and the word "painkira?" which wasn't funny at the time but sort of is now.
	⚡ 3:44am Don in Tampere: Rev, I was trying to be more diplomatic but I fundamentally agree with everything you wrote.
	3:45am luc_m: nothing wrong with a healthy debate imho
	3:45am devlawn: Dallas Good.
	3:48am Brian D: Thank you, Don. And yes, Morphe, hello, it was my wife who was in the hospital. And, Luc, of course you are correct. Healthy debate good. Just hope it stays healthy and polite. We've all been through so much the past two-plus years.
	3:54am morphe': Tomorrow/history... 21Feb1965 - Malcolm X murdered with the complicity of NYPD, FBI, etc... Always forget he was but 39..... Still many unanswered questions ...
	3:55am Brian D: Right, Morphe. Shamefully, I only read The Autobiography of Malcolm X a year or so ago.
	3:59am devlawn: Spoon man!!!
	4:02am devlawn: now i want to know about the third button.
	4:02am Brian D: Stay tuned, dev.
	4:05am luc_m: what about JFK and MLK, both assassinated by the National Security State... in both cases patsies were blamed; the Warren commission whitewashed the JFK facts, directed behind the scenes by Allen Dulles (former CIA director)
	4:08am fred: I saw a dance show last week that at one point featured the words "the fire next time" with a background of pictures from civil rights protests. Talking about it with coworkers, I was surprised none had heard of James Baldwin. Then it turned out one didn't know who Dr King was. I guess there's no reason for a young European guy to know about US history
	4:10am luc_m: sorry for existing fred, I'm interested in international politics, climate crisis, and music. Sorry for reading books and being nosy. :p
	4:10am Brian D: Wow, Fred, normally I'd agree that there's no need to have US history be any more important than, say, French history, but Baldwin and King are figures of global relevance.
	4:13am fred: Speaking of Belgium, here comes Elg again (he's French but lives in Brussels). I'm happy he gets so much airplay on the station
	4:14am _Ike_: Hi all. @Don, funny you mention "Querdenkers". I don't subscribe to many podcasts, but I just recently listened to an episode of the conspiracy-debunking QAnon Anonymous that talked about Q in Germany. Fascinating, but disturbing.
	4:17am Brian D: Greetings Ike.
	4:18am i̺k̺e̺: Ultimately a lot of these beliefs are strangely comforting. If someone (supposedly the Rothschilds, in a lot of cases, because it often boils down to anti-Semitism) is conspiring to control everything, then that means somebody is in charge. It might be somebody who's supposedly evil, but that's still more comforting than nobody having much control and the world being chaos. Also it provides people with a quest to "take back" the world. People love quests. Is it because people really want to impose a narrative on their lives, to give things a point, an A to B to C? Lives don't fit into simple narratives, why can't anybody accept that?
	4:18am devlawn: I'm less then 3, on this set.
	4:22am ike̶̬̕: Note to self: stop eating dark chocolate after 1 a.m., otherwise you might spaz out and start posting long, rambling comments.
	4:23am Brian D: Never stop eating dark chocolate, Ike.
	4:24am luc_m: agreed
	⚡ 4:26am Don in Tampere: Ike, it is indeed disturbing, and "Quarkdenker" doesn't mean they are particle physicists. Quark is a kind of fresh cheese but it is also sometimes used to mean BS. Generally characterized by believing in conspiracy theories, horse de-wormer, bleach etc. in preference to scientific evidence. And as we've discussed in this chat room before, the whole Q thing has lead to strange alliances between crystal hippies and neo-Nazis. I liked Q better when it was the lost early Gospel believed to have been the source of the synoptics. BTW, silly scientific trivia for the day: how the word quark got into particle physics. James Joyce lived for many years in Triest and Zurich and thus would have been well aware of quark. Then he used the word in "Finnegan's Wake". Murray Gell-Mann was apparently a fan of Joyce, liked the word (whether he also knew the original meaning of quark, I have no idea) and took it to name the class of particles he was postulating.
	4:28am Brian D: Those of us older folks in publishing/media remember the early page layout/design program, Quark.
	4:29am ike̶̬̕: Oh, I will definitely never stop eating dark chocolate. But I need to aim for an earlier dessert time. After 1 a.m. is not good for me, I think.
	4:29am luc_m: yeah, Quark Express (been a graphic designer for 5 yrs), and even before that, Pagemaker (where are the days)
	4:30am Brian D: Pagemaker is seriously old-school, luc.
	4:31am luc_m: I confess to being too old for a rock chat room :p
	4:33am Brian D: You're only as old as you feel, luc. And I feel pretty freakin' old at the minute.
	4:35am ike̶̬̕: "COVID Won’t End Up Like the Flu. It Will Be Like Smoking." www.theatlantic.com...
	⚡ 4:36am Don in Tampere: Wow, I had no idea that the word quark had also made it into graphic design. I wonder if it arrived via physics, Joyce or a German-speaking software developer, or maybe even something completely different.
	4:36am luc_m: The Atlantic, brought to you by Phizer
	4:37am fred: My go-to program for almost anything is vi. I guess that's pretty old-school
	4:37am devlawn: i do like the font and the colours
	4:40am devlawn: never meet your hero
	⚡ 4:40am Don in Tampere: Luc, got any evidence for Pfizer's influence over or interest in Atlantic? I certainly can't find any, and baseless claims are just that, baseless.
	4:41am devlawn: its hard to get in a good place
	4:44am luc_m: @Don in Tampere whether it's Phizer or other Big Pharma, or the MIC or Wall Street or some imperialist think tank, the Atlantic is part of the MSM created to bolster the narratives of the establishment; spme people rely more on independent news sources
	⚡ 4:51am Don in Tampere: The guy who wrote the article is a physician specializing in laboratory medicine. I have a lot more trust in his opinion that of some random anti-vaxxer on Youtube. Certainly there are cases where the "MSM" have not gotten it right, but independent news sources also need to be checked, and many of them are just echo chambers for conspiracy theorists. I do regularly watch Democracy Now, and they seem to work hard to have reliable sources even if they have a clear agenda. Brian, I think you've worked in journalism or publishing; what's your take from the inside on how much prominent media (e.g. Atlantic, NY Times) are in corporate pockets?
	4:56am devlawn: stairs
	5:00am Brian D: They're pretty much in corporate pockets, I'm afraid. Most of the reporters, mind you, are honest and do good work, but stories do get spiked and edited and the editorial/opinion pages... More credible than your Uncle Joe on Twitter, but you should always read with a critical and open mind. I'd say that about my own work. The thing about, say, the vaccines, is that there are 40,000 peer-reviewed articles that say they are safe/effective. And then there's Uncle Joe on Twitter. In other words, read more than one source -- and credible sources -- and then discern what's what. Democracy Now is great.
	5:00am devlawn: fuck this shit, there is more context
	⚡ 5:00am Geoffrey in Ottawa: Whoa! I'm in Ottawa and have spent the better part of the last two days watching coverage of this police action.
	5:01am fred: @Don: I think most of the Atlantic's coverage of COVID is financed by Zuckerberg. Maybe not a bright shining light for reliable information
	5:01am devlawn: hi geoff
	5:02am Brian D: Hello Geoff. Love your city. Sorry for its troubles.
	⚡ 5:07am Geoffrey in Ottawa: Hey, devlawun, thanks Brian. Hard to see how this plays out, but I guess we will.
	5:16am Brian D: The thing about protest: If you support the right to it (which I do) you have to support it in actual fact, even if you disagree with it. Doesn't make it any easier to live through, though.
	5:19am LiXiviated Life: “and so it goes”
	⚡ 5:20am Geoffrey in Ottawa: @Brian I agree with you. What are the limits? Are there limits? Should you be allowed to park a big rig in front of my house and lean on the horn for days unrelenting?
	5:24am Brian D: Valid questions, @Geoff. My neighborhood was at the center of the NYC George Floyd Protests in June 2020. I supported the Black Lives Matter protests then and still do support the movement -- even with the fires, vandalism, looting that surrounded those protests.
	5:25am Brian D: But I won't lie: I've had better moments in my life.
	5:29am LiXiviated Life: just a thought. but I wonder if we all would treat each other with more kindness if we were mindful of our own mortality . momento mori
	5:31am Brian D: Perhaps, Lix, perhaps.
	5:37am LiXiviated Life: the wave of this life rise, fall crest, ebb begin everything in between end. Why not.act with kindness ?
	⚡ 5:40am Geoffrey in Ottawa: @Brian I am not in disagreement with you. It seems to me there is a certain obtuseness to this particular protest, and I guess I find that frustrating. I mean, how hard is it to wear a mask? Please do so to ensure that my 82-year-old father does not get sick.
	5:42am Brian D: We're on the same page Geoff. I'm masked up right now!
	5:53am annette: i value protests but not at the expense of hurting my neighbors
	5:55am Brian D: Thank you all for joining me this week, and for the lively discussion. Stay safe and have a great week.
	5:56am luc_m: criminalizing trucker protesters (like Trudeau does now) is even more hurtful for a nominally democratic society like Canada
	5:58am luc_m: cheers for the set Brian

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