WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 21, 2022

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all my Techyons! The Techgin is poured. VERY ready for some Techtonic! And massive Marathongratulations to all!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtoncenters!
	6:01pm Glistener MW: was that the Nintenfo Wii menu music as Olivia’s outro? That was such a lovely segue into Mark’s opening
	6:01pm Sonderangebot: Good evening! Glad to hear all about that Bandcamp situation.
	6:01pm Erin in TO: Looking forward to the Bandcamp discussion tonight!
	6:02pm DanFA: We did it!
	6:02pm Jack: Greetings Thetans!
	6:02pm Robm: I want to know what will happen to bandcamp
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: looking forward to the conversation. greetings, Mark and tonics.
	6:02pm Erin in TO: Was disappointed we didn't get a performance from you last night Mark! ;)
	6:02pm Glistener MW: Very looking forward to tonight’s conversation, Mark! as a longtime bandcamp user/consumer/lover, I’ve been so unjazzed by that acquisition news.
	6:03pm DanFA: Mark didn't perform with the Hoof N Mouth because it was also being streamed on toxic YouTube.
	6:03pm D Rok: Glistener MW: I think that was Olivia's outro. I couldn't quite place it, but I'm pretty sure it's from an SNES game. One I've definitely played.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: I have this childish desire and fantasy that Mark will tell us that everything is going to be OK, Bandcamp-wise. But that's not how things go, I know.
	6:03pm Glistener MW: as Erin said - ditto, Mark! your Talking Heads cover last year was a highlight
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark! Congrats on the Marathon success! I'm eager for Damon K' interview.
	6:03pm DanFA: @Handy- that would be a quick show.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks to all you for purchasing WFMU NFTs over the past two weeks!
	6:04pm Bimbus Bambus: Not expecting any reassurance either, but I think as long as Bandcamp honors their Bandcamp Fridays hopefully that will still be good for artists?
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: DanFA, I don't think we're likely to run out of tech-capitalist nightmare scenarios to discuss any time soon. Maybe not till the lights go out for good.
	6:05pm DanFA: Has anyone else been watching The Dropout on Hulu? About Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos.
	6:05pm Glistener MW: Just an hour ago in reading more about the Bandcamp acquisition, I saw Mark namechecked in this piece/proposal about the deal and where it may be heading: https://components.one/documentation/epic-bandcamp-acquisition
	6:06pm Robm: Bandcamp founders took the money and ran
	6:06pm DanFA: @Handy, wait until Boston Dynamics roll out the robots. Oh boy!
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: There are so many ways they could start monetizing engagement and offering "freemium" models perfected for massive amounts of micropurchases, though, Bimbus Bambus --the strategies of video-game companies. So ... well, yeah, not optimistic.
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: On one hand, there may be more services developed for Bandcamp artists and customers, on the other hand, I'd expect the usual inter-company data buying and selling to commence.
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening all!
	6:07pm Glistener MW: “Corporate Happy Talk” is my favorite song by “CEO Sensible”!
	6:07pm Hugo (NL): Hi Mark, techies. Was Just mentioning this to my friends. What a coincedence!.
	6:08pm ultradamno: @Dan I don't do Hulu but, as much as I like Seyfried, I was disappointed they didn't go with Janet Varney www.youtube.com...
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Long ago now Techtonic (first?) among others have made me realize that what is required is a Bill of Digital Rights for the 'new' occupied territory of CyberSpace - where we've all been living for some time now. A prerequisite for this would be a Revolution deriving from the Citizen's outrage over their lack / loss of Rights here. Which could only derive from a general Awareness that this is so...
	6:09pm Bimbus Bambus: Yeah I can imagine a kind of subscription-based thing where you need to be a "member" to even have access to Bandcamp Fridays...
	6:10pm DanFA: @ ultradamno- pretty funny. She's got the thousand mile stare down.
	6:11pm Bimbus Bambus: Like how the top level of Tidal is the only level where your membership fee is distributed proportionally to who you listen to.
	🤖 6:11pm tim from washington: I know absolutely nothing about substack. What is it?
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in!
	🤖 6:12pm MarciB: @Tim from Washington - Substack is a platform for both paid and free newsletters. But there are issues with it.
	🤖 6:12pm Will the Sound Guy: Hi Mark and all!!!
	6:13pm B R M: My kids play FORTNITE and it is a very robust console game (PS 4/5, Xbox, Nintendo Switch)... it has huge financial upside because it has its own in game currency - V-BUCKS- that cost actual cash, and are required not to play, but to acquire different characters and traits, none of which enhance how you perform in the game, all of which are purely cosmetic. My son, instead of collecting physical action figures, collects Fortnite characters (called "skins"). The game does live events, including live music concerts, in game, which were quite interesting. The thing to talk about, for me as a dad with boys in this culture, is the way in which YouTube culture supports interest in the game through game-funded "creators" who stream the games and generate perpetual interest in the game by creating rumors, theories about the game, live playing the game online with commentary, etc. These videos are truly the apex of ADVERTISING, as it is generated by content creators and appears to be authentic, and that relationship drives the "culture" of Epic Games. My observations as a dad 🤷‍♂️
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @Erin in TO thanks - I was sorry to miss it - unfortunately I had a scheduling issue - but I very much hope I can make it to the next one!
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...not that Marx becomes irrelevant in CyberSpace - on the contrary, the Tech Monopolies make him more relevant than perhaps he's ever been. However, Aldous Huxley's lessons about Technocracy become ever more relevant. That is - they've made us like it here - a Territory they've stolen from us absolutely wholesale (the Internet & AI - paid for by Taxpayers originally in fact - were going to Decentralize & Democratize everything...)
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Also, if it's not to presumptuous, I do think the slogan for Techtonic as long as the 2022 badges last might need to be WE ARE THE ROBOTS
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @BRM good observations, thanks
	6:14pm ultradamno: Well, that Tencent "clap for Winnie Xi" game is especially discouraging
	🤖 6:14pm MarciB: Ah yes all the bookstores that I used to love in Cambridge - esp Harvard Square. Gone and replaced, I imagine (haven't been there in at least a decade) with chain stores.
	🤖 6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techions!
	🤖 6:14pm Will the Sound Guy: We are the robots!!!! 🎵🎶do do do do! We are the robots!!!! 🎵🎶do do do do!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @Handy that reminds me, I keep meaning to mention about the robot icon for Techtonic donors! Thanks to everyone who is sporting the robot-head emoji.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I have a Substack .. among dozens of other services I don't send content to!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: I see you, Will! Hey, Bas! ultradamno, I am going to pwn you in CLAP FOR CREAMO.
	6:16pm ultradamno: Oh...it's on, Haversack!
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...'NOT a Company based on Music'... THIS is the thing. If DocMartin shoes or Fender gittars or Motorcycles - or Whatever - are sold to a larger Corporation yet - it may look the same on the Outiside label...yet be completely different on the Inside. More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer. Yeah - Ahmet Ertegün wanted to have Hits & make Money ...but he damn well knew something about Music ...& about Musicians - & the Audience for it - & the Culture all this happened in... Corporate Lawyers & BeanCounters do not.
	6:17pm yippie: i know a great old smoke shop in harvard square where you can get a book of matches
	6:18pm Bimbus Bambus: You've Got Mail-ification
	6:18pm B R M: Got to see Damon K open for Cocteau Twins back in the day with Galaxy 500... adore him and his music. He is also a must-follow on Twitter for me re: making the music industry sustainable for musicians.
	6:19pm B R M: * Galaxie
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: An Axiom from Techtonic : 'What are People for ?? (In an Era of Human History based on Artificial Intelligence & Tech.') ...It follows directly from this - what are Music, Art & Culture even for to these Oligarchs ?? These are the terms of this Conflict.
	🤖 6:21pm Will the Sound Guy: Howdy Handy, BAS, ultradamno, MarciB, RRN63, B R M, tim, Bimbus, DanFA, Hugo, PR1920, Webhamster Harry, Robm Glistener MW, D Rok, Erin, chris, Jack, Sonderangelbot, yippee, and anyone I missed
	6:21pm ultradamno: Hiya Will!
	6:21pm Boulder Tom: I still have a book marker from Blackwater Books in Hoboken. Long gone.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: What @Will the Sound Guy said... hi, everyone, and thanks for joining in!
	6:21pm Robm: Hey will howdy
	6:22pm Jackie G: Yeah, does it scale. Everything gotta get bigger and bigger. So sad.
	6:22pm Dan: Why don’t all musicians start a UNITED MUSICAL ARTISTS COOP
	6:22pm tofuwife: now jeff bezos
	🤖 6:22pm Bas NL: Hi Handy, hi Will!
	6:23pm tofuwife: whole foods is terrible now and so expensive
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @Dan see UMAW - www.unionofmusicians.org
	🤖 6:24pm Handy Haversack: Ha, Mark, I was about to quote your quote of your current guest: "All right friends the only solution is organize – join us at UMAW or gather under another umbrella if you prefer but the digital music industry isn’t going to fix itself, it’s up to all of us to find a way forward."
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @Handy good quote. Here's the original Twitter post by Damon: twitter.com...
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Goliath by Matt Stoller re 'Economies of Scale' : www.facebook.com... harryshearer.com...
	🤖 6:25pm PaulRobeson1920: Oh my
	6:25pm Jackie G: No bookstores. No record shops. That was my retirement goal: work at a book store. Or a record store. Now I will be the cart boy at Whole Foods. No future for you!
	🤖 6:25pm MarciB: I recall Bread + Circus and when WF killed it. I loved that store - and now that ethos is everywhere. Here in NYC, Boston, Chicago, SF, LA and smaller cities as well.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: Payola-fy!
	6:26pm Mark Hurst: Spotify is 100% engaged in payola, WHICH IS ILLEGAL
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No Future ...your future dream is a shopping scheme...
	6:26pm Alvy Singer: Whole Foods should change their name to Whole Paycheck.
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: I've had one shoe shop setting up an online account at the checkout to have my shoes sent to me at home.I said i'd rather walked them home.
	6:27pm ultradamno: The talk about the Holmes mini reminds me of Showtime's Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber. It does not soften that guy at all.
	6:27pm ?: Honest to god, I wore a WFMU t-shirt in a Whole Foods. The person checking me out asked if it stood for Whole Foods Marketing University.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Illegal because the airwaves were held to belong to the people. And that commons has been eroded at every step. Digital TV, anyone?
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: We used to call Park Slope's "Back To The Land" "Back To The Bank"!
	🤖 6:27pm MarciB: Sounds like the same sham argument Facebook uses - we're not publishers - argh!
	6:28pm Dan: Thanks mark. I meant something like how Charlie Chaplin and other actors formed United artists, but just for royalties, Spotify run by the artists themselves
	6:28pm Robm: ? So sad that someone would think that
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Like Fox's "We are not news - We Are Entertainment!"
	🤖 6:28pm Bas NL: That's hilarious, questionmark!
	6:28pm ?: Naw, was an opportunity to talk about the station!
	6:29pm B R M: @Webhamster Henry - and it is also gone now, but the Co-op was always there anyway... weird business, Back To The Land.
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No competition possible - no transparency - no accountability ...ALL the profit - all the power - all the choices...
	🤖 6:29pm MarciB: Damon is wonderful - thank you Mark, I look forward to his newsletter. I wish I had known him when I lived in Boston - I certainly went to enough shows !
	6:29pm Glistener MW: ha, “?” — that could be a future TechTonic marathon tee, methinks
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Back To The Land kind of drove traffic to the Co-op.
	6:29pm Robm: @? And the person you talked too would never listen to the station anyone
	6:30pm ultradamno: I think some people just don't know what radio letters are anymore.
	6:30pm WR: Side note: payola regulations gained lots of momentum from movement to "save" white children from African-American music.
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and camp scamps.
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I had a checkout person at the food co-op in Woodstock say about my "classic Woof Moo" shirt, "Oh, I love that! What does it stand for? Is it ... an internet thing?"
	6:31pm Robm: @wR like listening to pat boone and his lousy music
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: (Like "well, fool my uvula"?)
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP hi, welcome!
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: How many WFMU Chat boarders have Bandcamp sites? ✋
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: We have one in the household, WHHenry.
	6:32pm ultradamno: When Ferrets Make Umbrellas
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Handy: I have one, my son has two.
	🤖 6:33pm Bas NL: Bandcamp reconnected me to old well loved labels that faded to me by increasing postal rates, disappearing mail..
	6:33pm ?: @Robm: You're likely correct, but I have another contrary experience. I met over coffee a WFMU DJ visiting my state, After our visit, he dropped me off at my local Trader Joe's, where I saw a friend in line at a register. I told the friend I'd just spent a pleasant hour with a WFMU DJ. The woman in front of my friend in line turned around and asked, "A WFMU DJ is in town?!" She was utterly excited by the prospect.
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have had someone ask if WFMU was an abbreviation from something lewd ...does seem a bit like these Interwebz initials ...Explaining the FMU experience is an interesting challenge ! Just the Facts, Ma'am...
	6:33pm Jack: Me! look at my profile. I just revamp the page, and got on Soundcloud and The Free Music Archive...
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: We're building a machine-scale reality. It's not for us - people.
	6:34pm ?: My state=California
	🤖 6:34pm tim from washington: Another dumb yet serious question... how the fuck does Spottify make 200 million dollars to pay Rogaine?
	6:34pm Robm: @? Cool with that lady
	🤖 6:34pm Will the Sound Guy: I have a BC profile Webhamster. I downloaded all the music I bought weeks ago.
	6:34pm Sonderangebot: Machine-scale reality, machine-scale real estate, machine-scale culture, I'm just waiting for class war to erupt at some point soon.
	6:35pm Ike: Venture-capital scamming @tim, right?
	🤖 6:36pm tim from washington: Got it, Ike. Now it makes sense.
	6:36pm yippie: this is all related to moores law, and now the rest of society cant keep up
	6:36pm B R M: @Mark Hurst absolutely ... hence the obsession with scale re: making things available globally. It has a true impact on how we personally conceive of the value of human life in general, alas. It is making human experience an abstraction.
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Right, Ike. The VC thumb on the scale.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: (That thumb is scaly, taloned, and clotted with human carrion, BTW.)
	6:37pm TDK60: Hi Mark.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @TDK60 welcome, nice to see you
	6:38pm Dano59: Form the People's Soylent Green Collective and Eat the Rich
	🤖 6:38pm Michael in Montclair: I have a Bandcamp profile for purchasing and listening to music (humanmetronome). Furthermore, my band ,The Kimballs, also has a BC site. (thekimballs.bandcamp.com).
	6:38pm Jackie G: At least ball players don't make ridiculous amounts of money. Oh wait....
	6:38pm Glistener MW: !!! I'd been wondering how/why that new Pavement video came to be! I had no idea
	6:39pm Tony: @?: Ken talked about that once on Seven Second Delay. Something like Whole Foods had copyrighted the letters WFMU as the abbreviation for their "university" but then later let the station have it. Also, I don't think I have ever had a comment when I wear a WFMU T-shirt. I assume most people have no idea what it is.
	6:39pm Dano59: Is the algorithm the new iteration of the clueless record exec?
	6:39pm B R M: @tim from washington - Spotify is a paid subscription service and they make loads of money. They have 180 million monthly paid subscribers. $200M to drive paid subscription growth is completely doable.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: Wow. That algorithm is pretty hip. Pushing a b-side and deep cut.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Oh, why have creatives involved at all to make Music videos? Just use ML to generate them for all the long tail back catalog items!
	6:40pm DanFA: @Tony- you have got to be kidding me (I know you're not)
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Ballplayers are exploited labor like the rest of us. They are the product and labor force of a massive industry that arrogates the preponderance of the money it generates to a tiny coterie of VS assholes. Ballplayers have carried the labor vanguard almost alone in the past thirty years. Hate team owners -- ballplayers are labor.
	🤖 6:40pm Bas NL: Must have been played on WFMU.. :)
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: *VC ^^ (And old money. And just plain dirty money.)
	🤖 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920: If Golden Filth was released today, The Fugs would be Trillionaires tomorrow. WholeFoods will truck in Records from New York City and Tofu from California
	6:41pm Boulder Tom: I have to say, I always felt Strange was their best song.
	6:41pm ultradamno: Is this have anything to do with how often Can's "Vitamin C" keeps showing up on TV show in recent years, for an example?
	6:41pm ?: @Tony: I didn't know WFMU had a trademark dispute with Whole Foods! When I wear the t-shirts, I often get knowing comments about WFMU, but also remarks about the design even from folks who don't know the station.
	6:41pm Glistener MW: @Michael in Montclair - thanks for the bandcamp link! Just followed and joined your mailing list. (Thanks as well to all WFMU DJs who put bands' bandcamp links in their playlists when applicable!)
	6:41pm Tony: @DanFA I may not be remembering Ken's story completely correctly, but that was the gist of it.
	🤖 6:41pm tim from washington: @BRM - thanks for the math. Definitely makes sense now.
	6:42pm Carmichael: Golden Filth is an incredible album. I played it (and still do) to scare my friends.
	6:42pm Jackie G: ballplayers are playing a game. a game they love. and have million dollar contracts. for playing a game.
	6:43pm Dano59: I just have Soundcloud and Mixcloud pages. I have an account at Bandcamp but never sold my music, so ...
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: People just set songs on repeat and pump them up on Spotify. When I was developing bits of Stationhead, I'd use my own band's Spotify tracks for testing because, hey! streaming!
	6:43pm Robm: Someone should ask ken about it on his Wednesday morning show
	6:43pm Dano59: WFMU - Weasels & Ferrets Mewl & Ululate
	6:44pm DanFA: @Tony- if anyone asks me about my WFMU shirt they never bring up Whole Foods. Though I've only ever been asked once. I'm in Upstate New York.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Mediocrity scales!
	🤖 6:44pm Michael in Montclair: @Glistener MW, you're welcome!
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Definitely an internet thing, Dano59!
	6:44pm Jackie G: this last labor battle in mlb, billionaires fighting with millionaires. phooey
	6:45pm Carmichael: Ha ha, I'm in northern CA and no one has ever said a word about any of my 2 dozen or so T shirts.
	6:45pm DanFA: WFMU - Werewolf Freaks Meet Underground
	6:45pm ultradamno: So could someone hack the algorithm to boost Irving Kaufman's "Masculine Women! Feminine Men!" to the point we'll get a new video of it?
	🤖 6:45pm MarciB: @Jackie - yup!
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Lowest Common Denominator ...McDonalds Menu for Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner - my Citizens of the CyberMall of Society ...Numbers Don't Lie...
	6:46pm Robm: @Jackie j if there was no baseball this year I could care less
	6:46pm Jack: My BC page: jamusic6.bandcamp.com Where Free Music Undulates
	6:46pm dale: ultra - delbarton industries can do that!
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: (...apply to everything...)
	6:46pm Bob in DC and/or Virginia: Another way to interpret Galaxie 500's experience with Spotify is that the algorithm also rewards decades-old innovators whose music anticipated today's trend, isn't it? Not to defend Spotify's business model, of course.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: W FM(radio) + Upsala College. W MFU << very frequent typo for WFMU. It used to be WGXC , and then Ken discovered that WMFU was available, and it was actually pretty cheap to change the call letters!
	6:47pm B R M: I just want to add on this point Damon is making about catalogue vs new releases which is true, but we often discount YouTube as a music delivery system for younger listeners... and there, relatively new release numbers DWARF Spotify/ Apple Music numbers. Spotify has 406 Million users, but YouTube is 2 Billion.
	🤖 6:47pm MarciB: This is why I loved Paul Jarvis's book "Company of One" - think he was a guest here
	6:47pm Bimbus Bambus: @ultradamno TikTok could conceivably make this happen
	6:47pm Jackie G: but WFMU just had a successful fundraiser, so that is heartwarming.
	6:47pm Glistener MW: thanks, Jack! - Followed!
	6:47pm Ciggy: No Streaming recommendations for me: I download or stream my favorite songs (new or old) from the DJs from WFMU.
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: so...Fuck the bandcamp people for selling.
	6:48pm DanFA: Mark is the new Andy Rooney, meets Howard Beale
	6:48pm Glistener MW: I laughed out loud while housecleaning at Mark's Andy Rooney impression and almost dropped a vase. XD
	6:48pm Robm: @Jackie G right on
	6:48pm B R M: GREAT INTERVIEW @Mark!
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: I think I can work up a deep faked Andy Rooney.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: Thanks for dropping by Damon Krukowski!
	6:49pm Blobs: Mark, that was an excellent interview... Thank you. Highlights why we need WFMU to survive.
	6:49pm ultradamno: Wendigos Feed on Men Usually
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: That was so much fun from Damon K.
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: and spotify does not steer you in any direction at all if you choose for it not to. i use it and receive absolutely no recommendations, no automatic anything, no algorithms.
	6:50pm Glistener MW: @coelacanth: even more irksomely, Bandcamp were doing fine / quite in the black for the better part of the past decade or more. So they didn't need a financial infusion, per se, as much as this new deal potentially just being a cashout. (Again though, I love the site and hope it stays fairly unchanged for artists and their royalties, but the cynic in me can't imagine that happening. :/ )
	6:50pm The Oscar: I used to work in one of the Harvard record stores Damon frequents (and can attest to his character!). About 10 years ago the store got a new landlord who hiked the rent. We moved down the road; the spot was vacant for a year, and is now a bong shop. Happy ending: the shop is still open in its new location!
	6:50pm DanFA: Substack: Mostly a bunch of "journalists" who publish newsletters complaining about free speech i.e. they can't use slurs.
	6:51pm unix_: are those the real figures? 1.5 million dollars?
	6:51pm mr 6: Sale of Bandcamp to a company not involved nor interested in helping musicians is nothing but bad news.
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Where Freaks Meet Up
	🤖 6:51pm MarciB: @The Oscar - that is heartening :)
	6:51pm Glistener MW: thanks for the great interview, Mark+Damon! That was mega interesting about "Strange" becoming their biggest hit on there. (As OMC would say -- "How Bizarre".)
	🤖 6:51pm tim from washington: Thanks for the great interview with Damon, Mark. I definitely learned a lot from the interview.
	6:51pm DanFA: @KFHP- that's the best one
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: The bandcamp small print seemed OK. Only now all payments run through the Epic Games payment system.
	6:52pm Blobs: @The Oscar - which store would that be??
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: Glistener right that gets me the most. just pigs, after all - after praising them so much all along!
	6:53pm The Oscar: @Blobs The venerable Planet Records!
	🤖 6:53pm MarciB: a good friend of ours runs an indie record label and this show crystalized every compliant he has about Spotify.
	🤖 6:53pm Will the Sound Guy: that means they can change the percentage with a few keystrokes
	6:53pm Fredericks: I do like the song "Strange."
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: You can still pledge!
	6:53pm WR: LCD, Lowest Common Denominator.
	6:53pm timbk: Memberberries music model
	6:54pm B R M: @Fredericks ON FIRE is a masterpiece!
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @WR: Zackly.
	6:54pm solo mon: Soundalike algorithm from Spotify made Weird Al a billionaire.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: supposedly the former owners are still going to "run" bandcamp. bullshit.
	6:54pm ultradamno: I like the Wire song Strange, can we make that a hit?
	6:54pm DanFA: No yacht? But what else am I going to spend my money on? Pay my employees more!? This isn't Stalinist China!
	6:55pm unix_: " $1,514,600 raised of $1,500,000 " million and a half? is that how much has been raised in this marathon?
	6:55pm B R M: @ultradamno R.E.M. tried in 1987 😉
	6:55pm ?: How does Howard Stern fit into the concept of scale?
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: A fun story is that the absence of Neil Young on Spotify has made Neil Young song covers popular, probably because the algorithm was scrambling to fill in playlists with holes in them.
	6:55pm Dano59: It isn't rocket surgery - enough people get pissed off, things will have to change (or so I'd like to believe)
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: If there's one thing FMU is, it's human scaled. Thanks, Mark, Damon! This was such clear-eyed and caring commentary. Long live FMU! And, you know, humanity.
	6:56pm Blobs: @ The Oscar... Nice. Of course! Had my fair share of good finds there when I lived in Boston. Glad it's still there.
	6:56pm Dano59: ... too bad we are all slaves to our phones
	6:56pm The true enemy: Is Peter Thiel Be afraid. No shitting around. He is the true dark lord of borderline and or fully blown on the spectrum evil pricks of our reality. His personal grudge that destroyed Gawker et al. was fair warning. This year he has deep political plans. And going forward unless a just god does something to minimize his threat. Just saying. There’s evil and there’s truly malignant Peter
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: B R M is nervous and the lights are bright!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: the first mistake was shopping in whole foods.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Dano @656 not me.
	6:57pm ?: White Fat Men’s Underwear
	6:57pm DanFA: Oh boy
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark, thanks Damon.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: We have been assimilated... (OO)
	6:58pm Dano59: that's a robot head? I thought: Cupcake!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Luxury goods as opposed to the public good… Neil Postman wrote Amusing Ourselves to Death: public discourse in the age of showbiz—- now we have Demographics rather than community in so many words… local tofu would be a good thing right
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Damon!
	6:58pm B R M: Thanks @Mark Hurst for another great show
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: WE ARE THE ROBOTS (doo doo doo doo)
	6:58pm Jack: Thanks Mark! great show! Keep on teckking...
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Mark and Damon!!
	6:58pm ParUbi: Thanks!!!!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks!~
	6:59pm B R M: Why's everybody acting funnnyyy
	6:59pm DanFA: @Handy- I'm going to see them in June. So excited!!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: "Live simply so that others may simply live" - Gandhi
	6:59pm Fredericks: It is a good one.
	6:59pm TDK60: I thought it meant FM from Upsala (college).
	6:59pm ?: Why Fuck My Uncle
	6:59pm Dano59: We Are the Robots is also the anarcho-syndicalist punk band we should form
	7:00pm WR: Now we gotta figure out what Strange strange sounds like to thecthe thumbs 👍 up from the algorithm.
	7:00pm listener 126464: Have a very worn cassette of this.
	7:00pm Fishtown Mike: Thanks Mark! Great show! Strange is one of my favorite G500 songs, BTW.
	7:00pm Andres: Classic Song No. 4.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, great conversation this evening!
	7:00pm Ciggy: So what song(s) did the algorithm link to "Strange"
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Handy I beg to differ: We are showroom dummies.
	🤖 7:00pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Damon, Pledgers, Commentors, and all!!!
	7:02pm WR: Thank you Mark!
	7:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always MarkHurst & also Mr.Krukowski ~
	7:19pm ed: Great show Mark.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 21, 2022

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March 21, 2022: Damon Krukowski on the Bandcamp purchase

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Today: Damon Krukowski on the purchase of Bandcamp by Epic Games

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• Dada Drummer Almanach, Damon Krukowski's blog

• Scaling Up, by Damon (March 8, 2022) about his walk through Harvard Square and the disappearance of bookstores and record stores – as a parallel to the Bandcamp purchase.

• And the Band Played On: The Algorithmic Push Toward the Past, by Damon Krukowski (March 15, 2022) - about the sudden popularity on Spotify of one particular Galaxie 500 song.

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Damon Krukowski on the purchase of Bandcamp
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Damon Krukowski "Interview with Damon Krukowski"	0:06:56 (Pop-up)
	Mark's comments "Mark's comments"	0:46:18 (Pop-up)
Galaxie 500	Strange "Strange" by "Galaxie 500"	0:56:51 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all my Techyons! The Techgin is poured. VERY ready for some Techtonic! And massive Marathongratulations to all!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtoncenters!
	6:01pm Glistener MW: was that the Nintenfo Wii menu music as Olivia’s outro? That was such a lovely segue into Mark’s opening
	6:01pm Sonderangebot: Good evening! Glad to hear all about that Bandcamp situation.
	6:01pm Erin in TO: Looking forward to the Bandcamp discussion tonight!
	6:02pm DanFA: We did it!
	6:02pm Jack: Greetings Thetans!
	6:02pm Robm: I want to know what will happen to bandcamp
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: looking forward to the conversation. greetings, Mark and tonics.
	6:02pm Erin in TO: Was disappointed we didn't get a performance from you last night Mark! ;)
	6:02pm Glistener MW: Very looking forward to tonight’s conversation, Mark! as a longtime bandcamp user/consumer/lover, I’ve been so unjazzed by that acquisition news.
	6:03pm DanFA: Mark didn't perform with the Hoof N Mouth because it was also being streamed on toxic YouTube.
	6:03pm D Rok: Glistener MW: I think that was Olivia's outro. I couldn't quite place it, but I'm pretty sure it's from an SNES game. One I've definitely played.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: I have this childish desire and fantasy that Mark will tell us that everything is going to be OK, Bandcamp-wise. But that's not how things go, I know.
	6:03pm Glistener MW: as Erin said - ditto, Mark! your Talking Heads cover last year was a highlight
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark! Congrats on the Marathon success! I'm eager for Damon K' interview.
	6:03pm DanFA: @Handy- that would be a quick show.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks to all you for purchasing WFMU NFTs over the past two weeks!
	6:04pm Bimbus Bambus: Not expecting any reassurance either, but I think as long as Bandcamp honors their Bandcamp Fridays hopefully that will still be good for artists?
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: DanFA, I don't think we're likely to run out of tech-capitalist nightmare scenarios to discuss any time soon. Maybe not till the lights go out for good.
	6:05pm DanFA: Has anyone else been watching The Dropout on Hulu? About Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos.
	6:05pm Glistener MW: Just an hour ago in reading more about the Bandcamp acquisition, I saw Mark namechecked in this piece/proposal about the deal and where it may be heading: https://components.one/documentation/epic-bandcamp-acquisition
	6:06pm Robm: Bandcamp founders took the money and ran
	6:06pm DanFA: @Handy, wait until Boston Dynamics roll out the robots. Oh boy!
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: There are so many ways they could start monetizing engagement and offering "freemium" models perfected for massive amounts of micropurchases, though, Bimbus Bambus --the strategies of video-game companies. So ... well, yeah, not optimistic.
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: On one hand, there may be more services developed for Bandcamp artists and customers, on the other hand, I'd expect the usual inter-company data buying and selling to commence.
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening all!
	6:07pm Glistener MW: “Corporate Happy Talk” is my favorite song by “CEO Sensible”!
	6:07pm Hugo (NL): Hi Mark, techies. Was Just mentioning this to my friends. What a coincedence!.
	6:08pm ultradamno: @Dan I don't do Hulu but, as much as I like Seyfried, I was disappointed they didn't go with Janet Varney www.youtube.com...
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Long ago now Techtonic (first?) among others have made me realize that what is required is a Bill of Digital Rights for the 'new' occupied territory of CyberSpace - where we've all been living for some time now. A prerequisite for this would be a Revolution deriving from the Citizen's outrage over their lack / loss of Rights here. Which could only derive from a general Awareness that this is so...
	6:09pm Bimbus Bambus: Yeah I can imagine a kind of subscription-based thing where you need to be a "member" to even have access to Bandcamp Fridays...
	6:10pm DanFA: @ ultradamno- pretty funny. She's got the thousand mile stare down.
	6:11pm Bimbus Bambus: Like how the top level of Tidal is the only level where your membership fee is distributed proportionally to who you listen to.
	🤖 6:11pm tim from washington: I know absolutely nothing about substack. What is it?
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in!
	🤖 6:12pm MarciB: @Tim from Washington - Substack is a platform for both paid and free newsletters. But there are issues with it.
	🤖 6:12pm Will the Sound Guy: Hi Mark and all!!!
	6:13pm B R M: My kids play FORTNITE and it is a very robust console game (PS 4/5, Xbox, Nintendo Switch)... it has huge financial upside because it has its own in game currency - V-BUCKS- that cost actual cash, and are required not to play, but to acquire different characters and traits, none of which enhance how you perform in the game, all of which are purely cosmetic. My son, instead of collecting physical action figures, collects Fortnite characters (called "skins"). The game does live events, including live music concerts, in game, which were quite interesting. The thing to talk about, for me as a dad with boys in this culture, is the way in which YouTube culture supports interest in the game through game-funded "creators" who stream the games and generate perpetual interest in the game by creating rumors, theories about the game, live playing the game online with commentary, etc. These videos are truly the apex of ADVERTISING, as it is generated by content creators and appears to be authentic, and that relationship drives the "culture" of Epic Games. My observations as a dad 🤷‍♂️
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @Erin in TO thanks - I was sorry to miss it - unfortunately I had a scheduling issue - but I very much hope I can make it to the next one!
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...not that Marx becomes irrelevant in CyberSpace - on the contrary, the Tech Monopolies make him more relevant than perhaps he's ever been. However, Aldous Huxley's lessons about Technocracy become ever more relevant. That is - they've made us like it here - a Territory they've stolen from us absolutely wholesale (the Internet & AI - paid for by Taxpayers originally in fact - were going to Decentralize & Democratize everything...)
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Also, if it's not to presumptuous, I do think the slogan for Techtonic as long as the 2022 badges last might need to be WE ARE THE ROBOTS
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @BRM good observations, thanks
	6:14pm ultradamno: Well, that Tencent "clap for Winnie Xi" game is especially discouraging
	🤖 6:14pm MarciB: Ah yes all the bookstores that I used to love in Cambridge - esp Harvard Square. Gone and replaced, I imagine (haven't been there in at least a decade) with chain stores.
	🤖 6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techions!
	🤖 6:14pm Will the Sound Guy: We are the robots!!!! 🎵🎶do do do do! We are the robots!!!! 🎵🎶do do do do!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @Handy that reminds me, I keep meaning to mention about the robot icon for Techtonic donors! Thanks to everyone who is sporting the robot-head emoji.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I have a Substack .. among dozens of other services I don't send content to!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: I see you, Will! Hey, Bas! ultradamno, I am going to pwn you in CLAP FOR CREAMO.
	6:16pm ultradamno: Oh...it's on, Haversack!
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...'NOT a Company based on Music'... THIS is the thing. If DocMartin shoes or Fender gittars or Motorcycles - or Whatever - are sold to a larger Corporation yet - it may look the same on the Outiside label...yet be completely different on the Inside. More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer. Yeah - Ahmet Ertegün wanted to have Hits & make Money ...but he damn well knew something about Music ...& about Musicians - & the Audience for it - & the Culture all this happened in... Corporate Lawyers & BeanCounters do not.
	6:17pm yippie: i know a great old smoke shop in harvard square where you can get a book of matches
	6:18pm Bimbus Bambus: You've Got Mail-ification
	6:18pm B R M: Got to see Damon K open for Cocteau Twins back in the day with Galaxy 500... adore him and his music. He is also a must-follow on Twitter for me re: making the music industry sustainable for musicians.
	6:19pm B R M: * Galaxie
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: An Axiom from Techtonic : 'What are People for ?? (In an Era of Human History based on Artificial Intelligence & Tech.') ...It follows directly from this - what are Music, Art & Culture even for to these Oligarchs ?? These are the terms of this Conflict.
	🤖 6:21pm Will the Sound Guy: Howdy Handy, BAS, ultradamno, MarciB, RRN63, B R M, tim, Bimbus, DanFA, Hugo, PR1920, Webhamster Harry, Robm Glistener MW, D Rok, Erin, chris, Jack, Sonderangelbot, yippee, and anyone I missed
	6:21pm ultradamno: Hiya Will!
	6:21pm Boulder Tom: I still have a book marker from Blackwater Books in Hoboken. Long gone.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: What @Will the Sound Guy said... hi, everyone, and thanks for joining in!
	6:21pm Robm: Hey will howdy
	6:22pm Jackie G: Yeah, does it scale. Everything gotta get bigger and bigger. So sad.
	6:22pm Dan: Why don’t all musicians start a UNITED MUSICAL ARTISTS COOP
	6:22pm tofuwife: now jeff bezos
	🤖 6:22pm Bas NL: Hi Handy, hi Will!
	6:23pm tofuwife: whole foods is terrible now and so expensive
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @Dan see UMAW - www.unionofmusicians.org
	🤖 6:24pm Handy Haversack: Ha, Mark, I was about to quote your quote of your current guest: "All right friends the only solution is organize – join us at UMAW or gather under another umbrella if you prefer but the digital music industry isn’t going to fix itself, it’s up to all of us to find a way forward."
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @Handy good quote. Here's the original Twitter post by Damon: twitter.com...
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Goliath by Matt Stoller re 'Economies of Scale' : www.facebook.com... harryshearer.com...
	🤖 6:25pm PaulRobeson1920: Oh my
	6:25pm Jackie G: No bookstores. No record shops. That was my retirement goal: work at a book store. Or a record store. Now I will be the cart boy at Whole Foods. No future for you!
	🤖 6:25pm MarciB: I recall Bread + Circus and when WF killed it. I loved that store - and now that ethos is everywhere. Here in NYC, Boston, Chicago, SF, LA and smaller cities as well.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: Payola-fy!
	6:26pm Mark Hurst: Spotify is 100% engaged in payola, WHICH IS ILLEGAL
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No Future ...your future dream is a shopping scheme...
	6:26pm Alvy Singer: Whole Foods should change their name to Whole Paycheck.
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: I've had one shoe shop setting up an online account at the checkout to have my shoes sent to me at home.I said i'd rather walked them home.
	6:27pm ultradamno: The talk about the Holmes mini reminds me of Showtime's Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber. It does not soften that guy at all.
	6:27pm ?: Honest to god, I wore a WFMU t-shirt in a Whole Foods. The person checking me out asked if it stood for Whole Foods Marketing University.
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Illegal because the airwaves were held to belong to the people. And that commons has been eroded at every step. Digital TV, anyone?
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: We used to call Park Slope's "Back To The Land" "Back To The Bank"!
	🤖 6:27pm MarciB: Sounds like the same sham argument Facebook uses - we're not publishers - argh!
	6:28pm Dan: Thanks mark. I meant something like how Charlie Chaplin and other actors formed United artists, but just for royalties, Spotify run by the artists themselves
	6:28pm Robm: ? So sad that someone would think that
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Like Fox's "We are not news - We Are Entertainment!"
	🤖 6:28pm Bas NL: That's hilarious, questionmark!
	6:28pm ?: Naw, was an opportunity to talk about the station!
	6:29pm B R M: @Webhamster Henry - and it is also gone now, but the Co-op was always there anyway... weird business, Back To The Land.
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No competition possible - no transparency - no accountability ...ALL the profit - all the power - all the choices...
	🤖 6:29pm MarciB: Damon is wonderful - thank you Mark, I look forward to his newsletter. I wish I had known him when I lived in Boston - I certainly went to enough shows !
	6:29pm Glistener MW: ha, “?” — that could be a future TechTonic marathon tee, methinks
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Back To The Land kind of drove traffic to the Co-op.
	6:29pm Robm: @? And the person you talked too would never listen to the station anyone
	6:30pm ultradamno: I think some people just don't know what radio letters are anymore.
	6:30pm WR: Side note: payola regulations gained lots of momentum from movement to "save" white children from African-American music.
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and camp scamps.
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, I had a checkout person at the food co-op in Woodstock say about my "classic Woof Moo" shirt, "Oh, I love that! What does it stand for? Is it ... an internet thing?"
	6:31pm Robm: @wR like listening to pat boone and his lousy music
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: (Like "well, fool my uvula"?)
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP hi, welcome!
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: How many WFMU Chat boarders have Bandcamp sites? ✋
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: We have one in the household, WHHenry.
	6:32pm ultradamno: When Ferrets Make Umbrellas
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Handy: I have one, my son has two.
	🤖 6:33pm Bas NL: Bandcamp reconnected me to old well loved labels that faded to me by increasing postal rates, disappearing mail..
	6:33pm ?: @Robm: You're likely correct, but I have another contrary experience. I met over coffee a WFMU DJ visiting my state, After our visit, he dropped me off at my local Trader Joe's, where I saw a friend in line at a register. I told the friend I'd just spent a pleasant hour with a WFMU DJ. The woman in front of my friend in line turned around and asked, "A WFMU DJ is in town?!" She was utterly excited by the prospect.
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Have had someone ask if WFMU was an abbreviation from something lewd ...does seem a bit like these Interwebz initials ...Explaining the FMU experience is an interesting challenge ! Just the Facts, Ma'am...
	6:33pm Jack: Me! look at my profile. I just revamp the page, and got on Soundcloud and The Free Music Archive...
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: We're building a machine-scale reality. It's not for us - people.
	6:34pm ?: My state=California
	🤖 6:34pm tim from washington: Another dumb yet serious question... how the fuck does Spottify make 200 million dollars to pay Rogaine?
	6:34pm Robm: @? Cool with that lady
	🤖 6:34pm Will the Sound Guy: I have a BC profile Webhamster. I downloaded all the music I bought weeks ago.
	6:34pm Sonderangebot: Machine-scale reality, machine-scale real estate, machine-scale culture, I'm just waiting for class war to erupt at some point soon.
	6:35pm Ike: Venture-capital scamming @tim, right?
	🤖 6:36pm tim from washington: Got it, Ike. Now it makes sense.
	6:36pm yippie: this is all related to moores law, and now the rest of society cant keep up
	6:36pm B R M: @Mark Hurst absolutely ... hence the obsession with scale re: making things available globally. It has a true impact on how we personally conceive of the value of human life in general, alas. It is making human experience an abstraction.
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Right, Ike. The VC thumb on the scale.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: (That thumb is scaly, taloned, and clotted with human carrion, BTW.)
	6:37pm TDK60: Hi Mark.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @TDK60 welcome, nice to see you
	6:38pm Dano59: Form the People's Soylent Green Collective and Eat the Rich
	🤖 6:38pm Michael in Montclair: I have a Bandcamp profile for purchasing and listening to music (humanmetronome). Furthermore, my band ,The Kimballs, also has a BC site. (thekimballs.bandcamp.com).
	6:38pm Jackie G: At least ball players don't make ridiculous amounts of money. Oh wait....
	6:38pm Glistener MW: !!! I'd been wondering how/why that new Pavement video came to be! I had no idea
	6:39pm Tony: @?: Ken talked about that once on Seven Second Delay. Something like Whole Foods had copyrighted the letters WFMU as the abbreviation for their "university" but then later let the station have it. Also, I don't think I have ever had a comment when I wear a WFMU T-shirt. I assume most people have no idea what it is.
	6:39pm Dano59: Is the algorithm the new iteration of the clueless record exec?
	6:39pm B R M: @tim from washington - Spotify is a paid subscription service and they make loads of money. They have 180 million monthly paid subscribers. $200M to drive paid subscription growth is completely doable.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: Wow. That algorithm is pretty hip. Pushing a b-side and deep cut.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Oh, why have creatives involved at all to make Music videos? Just use ML to generate them for all the long tail back catalog items!
	6:40pm DanFA: @Tony- you have got to be kidding me (I know you're not)
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Ballplayers are exploited labor like the rest of us. They are the product and labor force of a massive industry that arrogates the preponderance of the money it generates to a tiny coterie of VS assholes. Ballplayers have carried the labor vanguard almost alone in the past thirty years. Hate team owners -- ballplayers are labor.
	🤖 6:40pm Bas NL: Must have been played on WFMU.. :)
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: *VC ^^ (And old money. And just plain dirty money.)
	🤖 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920: If Golden Filth was released today, The Fugs would be Trillionaires tomorrow. WholeFoods will truck in Records from New York City and Tofu from California
	6:41pm Boulder Tom: I have to say, I always felt Strange was their best song.
	6:41pm ultradamno: Is this have anything to do with how often Can's "Vitamin C" keeps showing up on TV show in recent years, for an example?
	6:41pm ?: @Tony: I didn't know WFMU had a trademark dispute with Whole Foods! When I wear the t-shirts, I often get knowing comments about WFMU, but also remarks about the design even from folks who don't know the station.
	6:41pm Glistener MW: @Michael in Montclair - thanks for the bandcamp link! Just followed and joined your mailing list. (Thanks as well to all WFMU DJs who put bands' bandcamp links in their playlists when applicable!)
	6:41pm Tony: @DanFA I may not be remembering Ken's story completely correctly, but that was the gist of it.
	🤖 6:41pm tim from washington: @BRM - thanks for the math. Definitely makes sense now.
	6:42pm Carmichael: Golden Filth is an incredible album. I played it (and still do) to scare my friends.
	6:42pm Jackie G: ballplayers are playing a game. a game they love. and have million dollar contracts. for playing a game.
	6:43pm Dano59: I just have Soundcloud and Mixcloud pages. I have an account at Bandcamp but never sold my music, so ...
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: People just set songs on repeat and pump them up on Spotify. When I was developing bits of Stationhead, I'd use my own band's Spotify tracks for testing because, hey! streaming!
	6:43pm Robm: Someone should ask ken about it on his Wednesday morning show
	6:43pm Dano59: WFMU - Weasels & Ferrets Mewl & Ululate
	6:44pm DanFA: @Tony- if anyone asks me about my WFMU shirt they never bring up Whole Foods. Though I've only ever been asked once. I'm in Upstate New York.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Mediocrity scales!
	🤖 6:44pm Michael in Montclair: @Glistener MW, you're welcome!
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Definitely an internet thing, Dano59!
	6:44pm Jackie G: this last labor battle in mlb, billionaires fighting with millionaires. phooey
	6:45pm Carmichael: Ha ha, I'm in northern CA and no one has ever said a word about any of my 2 dozen or so T shirts.
	6:45pm DanFA: WFMU - Werewolf Freaks Meet Underground
	6:45pm ultradamno: So could someone hack the algorithm to boost Irving Kaufman's "Masculine Women! Feminine Men!" to the point we'll get a new video of it?
	🤖 6:45pm MarciB: @Jackie - yup!
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Lowest Common Denominator ...McDonalds Menu for Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner - my Citizens of the CyberMall of Society ...Numbers Don't Lie...
	6:46pm Robm: @Jackie j if there was no baseball this year I could care less
	6:46pm Jack: My BC page: jamusic6.bandcamp.com Where Free Music Undulates
	6:46pm dale: ultra - delbarton industries can do that!
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: (...apply to everything...)
	6:46pm Bob in DC and/or Virginia: Another way to interpret Galaxie 500's experience with Spotify is that the algorithm also rewards decades-old innovators whose music anticipated today's trend, isn't it? Not to defend Spotify's business model, of course.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: W FM(radio) + Upsala College. W MFU << very frequent typo for WFMU. It used to be WGXC , and then Ken discovered that WMFU was available, and it was actually pretty cheap to change the call letters!
	6:47pm B R M: I just want to add on this point Damon is making about catalogue vs new releases which is true, but we often discount YouTube as a music delivery system for younger listeners... and there, relatively new release numbers DWARF Spotify/ Apple Music numbers. Spotify has 406 Million users, but YouTube is 2 Billion.
	🤖 6:47pm MarciB: This is why I loved Paul Jarvis's book "Company of One" - think he was a guest here
	6:47pm Bimbus Bambus: @ultradamno TikTok could conceivably make this happen
	6:47pm Jackie G: but WFMU just had a successful fundraiser, so that is heartwarming.
	6:47pm Glistener MW: thanks, Jack! - Followed!
	6:47pm Ciggy: No Streaming recommendations for me: I download or stream my favorite songs (new or old) from the DJs from WFMU.
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: so...Fuck the bandcamp people for selling.
	6:48pm DanFA: Mark is the new Andy Rooney, meets Howard Beale
	6:48pm Glistener MW: I laughed out loud while housecleaning at Mark's Andy Rooney impression and almost dropped a vase. XD
	6:48pm Robm: @Jackie G right on
	6:48pm B R M: GREAT INTERVIEW @Mark!
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: I think I can work up a deep faked Andy Rooney.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: Thanks for dropping by Damon Krukowski!
	6:49pm Blobs: Mark, that was an excellent interview... Thank you. Highlights why we need WFMU to survive.
	6:49pm ultradamno: Wendigos Feed on Men Usually
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: That was so much fun from Damon K.
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: and spotify does not steer you in any direction at all if you choose for it not to. i use it and receive absolutely no recommendations, no automatic anything, no algorithms.
	6:50pm Glistener MW: @coelacanth: even more irksomely, Bandcamp were doing fine / quite in the black for the better part of the past decade or more. So they didn't need a financial infusion, per se, as much as this new deal potentially just being a cashout. (Again though, I love the site and hope it stays fairly unchanged for artists and their royalties, but the cynic in me can't imagine that happening. :/ )
	6:50pm The Oscar: I used to work in one of the Harvard record stores Damon frequents (and can attest to his character!). About 10 years ago the store got a new landlord who hiked the rent. We moved down the road; the spot was vacant for a year, and is now a bong shop. Happy ending: the shop is still open in its new location!
	6:50pm DanFA: Substack: Mostly a bunch of "journalists" who publish newsletters complaining about free speech i.e. they can't use slurs.
	6:51pm unix_: are those the real figures? 1.5 million dollars?
	6:51pm mr 6: Sale of Bandcamp to a company not involved nor interested in helping musicians is nothing but bad news.
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Where Freaks Meet Up
	🤖 6:51pm MarciB: @The Oscar - that is heartening :)
	6:51pm Glistener MW: thanks for the great interview, Mark+Damon! That was mega interesting about "Strange" becoming their biggest hit on there. (As OMC would say -- "How Bizarre".)
	🤖 6:51pm tim from washington: Thanks for the great interview with Damon, Mark. I definitely learned a lot from the interview.
	6:51pm DanFA: @KFHP- that's the best one
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: The bandcamp small print seemed OK. Only now all payments run through the Epic Games payment system.
	6:52pm Blobs: @The Oscar - which store would that be??
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: Glistener right that gets me the most. just pigs, after all - after praising them so much all along!
	6:53pm The Oscar: @Blobs The venerable Planet Records!
	🤖 6:53pm MarciB: a good friend of ours runs an indie record label and this show crystalized every compliant he has about Spotify.
	🤖 6:53pm Will the Sound Guy: that means they can change the percentage with a few keystrokes
	6:53pm Fredericks: I do like the song "Strange."
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: You can still pledge!
	6:53pm WR: LCD, Lowest Common Denominator.
	6:53pm timbk: Memberberries music model
	6:54pm B R M: @Fredericks ON FIRE is a masterpiece!
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @WR: Zackly.
	6:54pm solo mon: Soundalike algorithm from Spotify made Weird Al a billionaire.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: supposedly the former owners are still going to "run" bandcamp. bullshit.
	6:54pm ultradamno: I like the Wire song Strange, can we make that a hit?
	6:54pm DanFA: No yacht? But what else am I going to spend my money on? Pay my employees more!? This isn't Stalinist China!
	6:55pm unix_: " $1,514,600 raised of $1,500,000 " million and a half? is that how much has been raised in this marathon?
	6:55pm B R M: @ultradamno R.E.M. tried in 1987 😉
	6:55pm ?: How does Howard Stern fit into the concept of scale?
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: A fun story is that the absence of Neil Young on Spotify has made Neil Young song covers popular, probably because the algorithm was scrambling to fill in playlists with holes in them.
	6:55pm Dano59: It isn't rocket surgery - enough people get pissed off, things will have to change (or so I'd like to believe)
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: If there's one thing FMU is, it's human scaled. Thanks, Mark, Damon! This was such clear-eyed and caring commentary. Long live FMU! And, you know, humanity.
	6:56pm Blobs: @ The Oscar... Nice. Of course! Had my fair share of good finds there when I lived in Boston. Glad it's still there.
	6:56pm Dano59: ... too bad we are all slaves to our phones
	6:56pm The true enemy: Is Peter Thiel Be afraid. No shitting around. He is the true dark lord of borderline and or fully blown on the spectrum evil pricks of our reality. His personal grudge that destroyed Gawker et al. was fair warning. This year he has deep political plans. And going forward unless a just god does something to minimize his threat. Just saying. There’s evil and there’s truly malignant Peter
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: B R M is nervous and the lights are bright!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: the first mistake was shopping in whole foods.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Dano @656 not me.
	6:57pm ?: White Fat Men’s Underwear
	6:57pm DanFA: Oh boy
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark, thanks Damon.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: We have been assimilated... (OO)
	6:58pm Dano59: that's a robot head? I thought: Cupcake!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Luxury goods as opposed to the public good… Neil Postman wrote Amusing Ourselves to Death: public discourse in the age of showbiz—- now we have Demographics rather than community in so many words… local tofu would be a good thing right
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Damon!
	6:58pm B R M: Thanks @Mark Hurst for another great show
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: WE ARE THE ROBOTS (doo doo doo doo)
	6:58pm Jack: Thanks Mark! great show! Keep on teckking...
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Mark and Damon!!
	6:58pm ParUbi: Thanks!!!!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks!~
	6:59pm B R M: Why's everybody acting funnnyyy
	6:59pm DanFA: @Handy- I'm going to see them in June. So excited!!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: "Live simply so that others may simply live" - Gandhi
	6:59pm Fredericks: It is a good one.
	6:59pm TDK60: I thought it meant FM from Upsala (college).
	6:59pm ?: Why Fuck My Uncle
	6:59pm Dano59: We Are the Robots is also the anarcho-syndicalist punk band we should form
	7:00pm WR: Now we gotta figure out what Strange strange sounds like to thecthe thumbs 👍 up from the algorithm.
	7:00pm listener 126464: Have a very worn cassette of this.
	7:00pm Fishtown Mike: Thanks Mark! Great show! Strange is one of my favorite G500 songs, BTW.
	7:00pm Andres: Classic Song No. 4.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, great conversation this evening!
	7:00pm Ciggy: So what song(s) did the algorithm link to "Strange"
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Handy I beg to differ: We are showroom dummies.
	🤖 7:00pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Damon, Pledgers, Commentors, and all!!!
	7:02pm WR: Thank you Mark!
	7:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always MarkHurst & also Mr.Krukowski ~
	7:19pm ed: Great show Mark.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 21, 2022

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