WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from November 30, 2022

Listener comments!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 6:59pm WR: Folk!
	♥ 7:00pm Gary: WR!
	7:01pm peter: Hey Gary & co.!
	7:02pm listener James from Westwood: Evening, Gary and Bodegans!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:04pm doctorjazz: Hello Gary, Bodega Cyber-Shoppers!
	♥ 7:04pm Gary: Peter, James, and Dr. Jazz!
	7:05pm wezno: Aloha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm chresti: Hi Gary Folk bodega!
	♥ 7:06pm Gary: Wezno! Chresti!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:07pm WR: No shame, there are always more recordings that we have yet to hear. In fact they are being released faster and in greater quantities than any single set of ears could ever listen. Oh, you hadn't listened to Bert Jansch before? How could that be?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:08pm doctorjazz: Beautiful Bert! (He could really play that guitar, not a pre-requisite for a folk musician).
	♥ 7:08pm northguineahills: Listener, David from London, can elucidate on reynardine. his band, Daona, did a nice eerily folk/synth cover of it. daona.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 7:09pm Gary: NGH!
	♥ 7:11pm northguineahills: reynardine is a 'werefox'(?)(not sure of the terminologuy), that seduces young women, usually to a castle. The reynardine is usually someone who has had a spell cast of him as curse...
	♥ 7:12pm Gary: Ah, that would explain why I kept finding that title with different songs
	7:12pm rw: Ah It's Bodega Pop: Folk! I thought maybe I was in the wrong place. Sounding perfect so far.
	7:13pm rw: Good afternoon/evening!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:14pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Gary - a little folk gig in the back of the Bodega, then.
	♥ 7:14pm Gary: RW! Yeah, not a typical evening here, I suppose ... howdy, Henry!
	7:16pm rw: That cigarette looks out of scale to me. Maybe it's not a cigarette.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:16pm chresti: Good afterning, rw!
	7:16pm rw: Yo chresti!
	♥ 7:18pm Gary: RW: You're right, I never noticed that before, RW
	♥ 7:20pm TDK60: Gary, Hiya!
	♥ 7:20pm Gary: TDK60!
	♥ 7:22pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Gary! Quicksilver did this too.
	♥ 7:22pm northguineahills: ceathrar just means a quartet in irish-gaelic...
	♥ 7:23pm Gary: Franco! I did not know that
	♥ 7:23pm Franco Twinkie: Of course they rock it up.
	♥ 7:24pm Gary: When I saw Woodstock the first time, what I remembered most vividly was Richie Havens. I learned in a documentary decades later that he made that song, "Freedom," up on the spot -- unreal
	♥ 7:25pm TDK60: Gary, I mentioned elsewhere in woofmooland before, I saw Richie during his debut period, Cafe Au Go Go, '66. Intensity in the first row.
	♥ 7:26pm Franco Twinkie: Apparently Richie was quite the man around the village back in the day. Musically AND socially.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:26pm Webhamster Henry: @Gary not only that, he was put on because the band that was supposed to go on wasn't there (or ready or something) and he had to throw a show together for a few hours.
	♥ 7:27pm TDK60: Hola Franco.
	♥ 7:27pm Gary: Yes!
	♥ 7:27pm Gary: Damn, jealous, TDK
	♥ 7:29pm northguineahills: ok, now, we need a scene devoted fanatics of old folk balladry, as found in the cecil sharpe house. we can call these bands, hardlore....
	7:30pm peter: @NGH: yeah! i looked them up quickly and found this: "Their recording "Faoileán" was released in 1975 as a split single on Gael-Linn under the four members' individual names (Donal Lunny, Maighréad Ní Dhomhnaill, Mícheál Ó Domhnaill, Tríona Ní Dhomhnaill).. On later compilations it appeared with the artist name Ceathrar." so members of Planxty, The Bothy Band and others! bit of a super-group..
	♥ 7:31pm DL in LA: Bit of an ode to Shrunken Planet. Sounding great!
	♥ 7:33pm Gary: DL!
	♥ 7:33pm northguineahills: a book related to todays theme, that comes heavily recommended by me: "Electric Eden: Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music" (Rob Young, 2011) www.goodreads.com...
	♥ 7:34pm Gary: Nice, NGH. Pretty sure Rob Young also wrote a book on Turkish rock recently-ish
	7:35pm peter: Oo that looks worth a read for sure
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:37pm Zipperhead7: Gary and Bodegans! Nice picture of Karen Dalton. I wonder if the Woody Guthrie museum in Tulsa ever did an exhibit on her since she's a native Okie
	♥ 7:38pm Gary: Zipperhead!
	♥ 7:38pm Franco Twinkie: Hey TDK! I'm in the kitchen now.
	♥ 7:41pm northguineahills: @Zipperhead: in 2000, i went to an association of america geographers conference, and attended a lecture on the geography of music in oklahoma (my one lecture not related to my studies i attended), they did a lot of the obvious ones, including woody and up to the flaming lips. I inquired amongst the lecturers why they hadn't included karen dalton, and gave them pleny of material off the top of my head to further their research...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:47pm Zipperhead7: That's interesting, ngh. When I went to the Georgia Music Hall of Fame in Macon many years ago, there was no mention of Gram Parsons. They did have a great picture of James Brown shaking hands with the Pope. James was very black and the Pope was very white
	♥ 7:56pm DL in LA: There are so many amazing Japanese music artists. I never realized this until the last few years.
	♥ 7:56pm Ike: Meat sweats!!!
	♥ 7:57pm Gary: Ike!
	♥ 7:57pm northguineahills: @zipperhead: takes note of their respective dressing styles Indeed!
	♥ 7:58pm northguineahills: I believe I've only heard Yoshiko Sai once or twice on wfmu, never encountered her in my own wonderings...
	7:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hey Folx !
	8:01pm rw: I always thought of Punk Rock as a type of Folk music.
	8:02pm rw: Knowing nothing about musicology. Not even if I'm using the word musicology correctly.
	♥ 8:02pm Gary: RevRab!
	♥ 8:02pm Gary: RW, me too, and bedroom recordings
	8:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Voice a bit like Bert Jansch.
	♥ 8:05pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hello Gary! Hello friends!
	8:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wull - under Modernism in the 20thCentury - all the Genre Labels & boundaries kinda collapsed & melted & stuff ...Is Folk Traditional ? Or the common Music of the People ? What did that mean anymore with Recording & Reproductive Art & Mass Media ?? Was Dylan the apotheosis & saviour of Folk - or its Assassin ??...
	♥ 8:05pm Gary: Wendy!
	♥ 8:05pm TDK60: From my barstool, I like a lot of the different friggin' folks, folks. There's a whole freakin' lotta of 'em, come thru here.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:06pm Zipperhead7: I like the haunting stuff too, Gary. A sparely-phrased electric guitar buried in reverb gets me every time. Peter Green was the master of that
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:06pm chresti: That is correct @Ike!
	♥ 8:07pm Doug Schulkind: Love this record. Otherwordly.
	8:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if Folk is Traditional Music of the People - I even posit that plain prosaic Population Explosion has to be a factor there...
	♥ 8:07pm northguineahills: @rw: punk in the trad sense, is folk (in the traditional sense). Music for the people from 'untrained' (self-taught) musicians... Some trad types might argue some lyrical content, but folk always encompassed contemporary concerns, and can be often irreverent.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:08pm chresti: Freakin' Freak Folk freaks, TDK60\\//
	♥ 8:08pm Gary: Doug! I'm thrilled about your upcoming trip
	♥ 8:08pm TDK60: Friggin' freaky chresti in the inn? How are ye?
	♥ 8:09pm northguineahills: ...and then on the other side, you get cornelius cardew's "stockhausen serves imperialism", where cardem eschewed modern composition and tried to organize a more sing-along songs to reach the people w/ mixed results...
	♥ 8:09pm Doug Schulkind: @Gary If I knew it'd thrill you, I would have gone long ago!
	8:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Untrained. Good one. Self-trained - community trained... Have thot - Folk is whatever strangers who meet round a campfire on the beach sing together. (Does this even happen anymore ?) The Dead certainly quality for that I figured...
	♥ 8:10pm Gary: France, yes?
	8:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *qualiFy
	♥ 8:10pm Gary: Most music is folk music maybe
	8:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Beethoven was Popular in his moment ? But not Karlheinz... Reminded of Howard Goodall's thing on TheBeatles as not only Thee Classical Music of the 1960s - but saviors of Western Harmony he practically gushes...
	♥ 8:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: This is excellent music for writing, which I am doing now. It seems like the things I do most often while listening to FMU are writing, cooking, and bathing. Then again, I do those things a lot.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:13pm Zipperhead7: RevRab -- I'd say that for the last 20 years, the handful of times I've encountered kids sitting around playing acoustic guitars and singing, they were playing contemporary christian music
	8:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course Thelonius said, 'We're all Folk Musicians.'
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:13pm chresti: I yam freakin' in the friggin' inn, TDK60.
	8:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oof. Well - Folk Music & Religion both tribal expressions one might say...
	♥ 8:15pm Doug Schulkind: @Gary Paris, yes. Haven't been to Paris since '86. Last time I was there almost all I did was scour the record stores. Came back with a suitcase full of African vinyls.
	♥ 8:16pm Gary: Damn, jealous! BTW: The baguette was recently declared a UNESCO something or other
	8:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like 'Pop' could mean either whatever is literally Popular, or certain Forms - 'Unpopular Pop' as Rob Weisnberg says ...so maybe something similar for Folk...
	8:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: / RobW - something similar...
	♥ 8:20pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doug, do I even need to say it? I hope you eat a lot of really good cheeses that are illegal in the US!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:21pm Zipperhead7: And the good absinthe with wormwood!
	♥ 8:23pm Wendy del Formaggio: And lots of charcuterie! Unless you're a vegetarian, then... lots more cheese!
	♥ 8:23pm TDK60: Wonderful sounds of folkish tint, Gary. Glad I got my boot heels to be wanderin' this way tonight.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:25pm doctorjazz: Lovely instrumentals! (TDK60-them must be some Thirsty Boots...)
	♥ 8:25pm Doug Schulkind: Illegal Cheese. Not a bad band name.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:25pm Zipperhead7: Jeez this is wonderful, Gary!
	8:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...an Acoustic bent seems a Folk attribute - with an ever ambiguous relation to Electricity...
	8:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...makes me think of Segovia perhaps as much as Woody Guthrie - no complaints...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm Zipperhead7: Doug -- have PAULS add "Illegal Cheese" to the list of first band names!
	♥ 8:27pm TDK60: DrJazz, I got the Eric Andersen drop.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm chresti: Which cheeses are illegal, Wendy?
	8:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...illicit cheeses ...folking Christ...
	♥ 8:28pm Doug Schulkind: Illegal Cheese. Not a bad radio show name.
	♥ 8:28pm Doug Schulkind: I believe in cheeses.
	♥ 8:29pm Wendy del Formaggio: Honk if you love cheeses!
	♥ 8:29pm Wendy del Formaggio: yes, someone should name their show "Illegal Cheeses." But, the obvious person already has a name for her show, and if anyone else chose it, people would get confused. hahaha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:30pm chresti: Honk!
	♥ 8:30pm Gary: My god it's a regular fondue in here
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:30pm doctorjazz: TDK60-couldn't leave your Dylan go unanswered...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:31pm chresti: I think I saw a bumper sticker like "cheeses saves" or the like.
	8:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..I'm fond of ue too Gary...
	♥ 8:32pm Wendy del Formaggio: Chresti: All raw milk cheeses sold in the USA must be aged for 60+ days. In France and other places, one can enjoy raw milk cheeses that are aged fewer than 60 days, and it's really worth doing. Pasteurizing milk can diminish the nuance in the cheese's flavor profile.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:32pm doctorjazz: (I thought Wendy might have some thoughts/feeling on the Illegal Cheese suggestion).
	♥ 8:33pm Wendy del Formaggio: DoctorJazz: I have opinions on pretty much everything. :-) I keep toying with the idea of starting a column called "Ask a Picky Jew." And it won't just be about cheese!
	♥ 8:33pm northguineahills: @wendy: so, a show of whey-infused of "unofficial" recordings (ie: the Partridge Family) (disclaimer: i actually like some cheesy music)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:35pm WR: Ha, chresti, earlier today I saw a cartoon of two mice at the mouse hole of another mouse, one of the visiting mice says, "Can we talk with you about cheeses?"
	♥ 8:36pm Wendy del Formaggio: @NGH: Haha, that's an awesome idea! A show of bootlegs of 70s AM rock!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:36pm doctorjazz: As far as pastuerization-from the CDC web site: Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others that cause foodborne illness, often called “food poisoning.” (Though I'm not familiar with how long aging needs to be done to prevent disease)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:37pm chresti: Ha, WR!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm chresti: Karen kills me.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm Zipperhead7: I wonder if any recordings Karen Dalton did with Peter Stampfel will ever surface?
	♥ 8:38pm Gary: The CDC also didn't want me to eat fresh vegetables or dairy or fruit juices in Brazil and they were WRONG
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:40pm doctorjazz: Maybe, Gary, though the fact that you didn't have an issue with it doesn't mean it's wrong (like saying if you didn't get COVID, and didn't have the vaccine, the recommendation for the vaccine is phony).
	♥ 8:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh no... DoctorJazz... here comes the can of worms... Those food-borne pathogens are FAR more prevalent in things like deli meats, produce, and eggs. And, there really is no actual science behind how long cheese must be aged to eliminate or identify pathogens. Listeria is the big one, and those outbreaks do happen, but they happen in pasteurized cheese, too. Pasteurization isn't a vaccine; it only kills whatever pathogens are present in that moment. Mishandling at any point in the distribution chain can introduce pathogens not present at all where the cheese is made or aged.
	8:42pm fizz: Smokin' a big spliff and serenading her Poppy plant friend.
	♥ 8:42pm Gary: Cheese Louise, Wendy!
	♥ 8:43pm Gary: Fizz!
	♥ 8:43pm Wendy del Formaggio: The 60-day rule is from the FDA, and sadly, a lot of FDA policy has been drafted for reasons other than food safety. But I should step down off my soap box now...
	♥ 8:43pm northguineahills: this is good music for creating imaginary cartographies (I'm taking maps from 1960s british university textbooks, and reshuffling the topographies/boundaries on my own whims).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:45pm doctorjazz: That's all true, Wendy. You can always reintroduce bacteria to a food by mishandling it. Again, it's a bit like saying that meat shouldn't be free of pathogens because they are often introduced by food preparer mishandlers. (I'm not familiar with how long aging needs to be done, and I'll certainly not insist that the FDA or other government bodies are free of political considerations).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:45pm chresti: Thanks Wendy!
	♥ 8:46pm TDK60: Fizz, I was a-thinkin' that may be a small cigar in Karen's mouth, or maybe the French cig brand, Gualoises. Or, maybe a reefer, a folk cigarette.
	8:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Phew. These people who carry whole Cultures of Song within them. Walking Smithsonians.
	8:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cut threw a fruit that has bacteria on the outside peel - you (potentially) introduce it to the interior with the knife. For instance. Yeah there's things...
	♥ 8:49pm coelacanth∅: 'evening Gary & all
	♥ 8:49pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doctor Jazz: Aging is pretty much irrelevant until you get to the really hard cheeses, which are usually 2+ years old. Most of these pathogens are bacteria, which need moist environments to thrive. Very aged cheeses have too little moisture. But 60 days? Doesn't mean shit, really. It's arbitrary.
	♥ 8:49pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	8:50pm fizz: TDK60 could well be a french cig, callouses of the lung, nice poppy though.
	♥ 8:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: I should clarify: Not only does 60 days not mean shit, but what's even more irrelevant (less relevant?) is whether the milk is pasteurized or not. Sorry, but people aren't dropping dead from cheese in the rest of the world, especially when the cheese is made in a licensed, inspected facility.
	8:56pm fizz: No chinga con el queso...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:57pm doctorjazz: I believe it's arbitrary, Wendy, there are many "accepted" practices and recommendations that were arrived at without study, only to be found later to be incorrect (10 day antibiotic treatment for many bacterial infections, for instance, was the norm for the longest time, until studies actually showed 3 or 5 days were fine for some bacterial infections (but no studies had been done before that). Again, I'm just going by the teaching I had (many years back, but haven't read much to dispute it. But maybe I just haven't seen the relevant information. But immunization is like that-many diseases that existed before it was routine (and I saw them) don't occur any more, and people feel there's no need for them, since they don't see pneumococcal meningitis or polio any more. That's enough out of me... I'll drop out here.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:58pm Zipperhead7: Karen Dalton sounds ageless, somewhere between a young girl and an ancient, wizened woman
	♥ 8:59pm northguineahills: @fizz: jajaja
	♥ 8:59pm TDK60: This "Dream" a Paul Butterfield cover.
	♥ 8:59pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doctor Jazz: Thanks for your perspective. I didn't know that about antibiotics! FWIW, I am very much in favor of vaccines and I am all caught up on my shots. Including rabies and distemper. Okay, maybe not distemper... haha.
	9:01pm fizz: Zipperhead7, what was the title of the film you produced?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:03pm Zipperhead7: "Drop City." Here's the trailer: www.youtube.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:05pm WR: Juvenile DJ Gary
	9:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zipperhead7 looks great !!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:07pm Zipperhead7: I had a blast doing it and never made a fucking dime. Still good friends with the surviving founders
	9:08pm fizz: Zip was that in New Mexico in?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:10pm Zipperhead7: Just north of the NM border, near Trinidad CO
	♥ 9:11pm Gary: Footage in that trailer looks awesome
	9:12pm fizz: I'm guessing the early 1970's ?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:13pm Zipperhead7: 1965-1973 or thereabouts. It was abandoned by the founders in '69 and by 74 was a ghost town
	♥ 9:13pm northguineahills: @zipperhead: will have to use my digital tentacles to find a copy somewhere... looks to have followed a more innocent yet similar trajectory as the merry pranksters...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:15pm Zipperhead7: It's up on Kanopy for free. Yeah, very Pranksterish in ways
	9:18pm fizz: You can use your library card to watch Kanopy. Buckyball Town...must have gotten cold!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:20pm chresti: Wow Zipperhead!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:21pm Zipperhead7: At one point they built a small room in the Complex that they could crowd into to keep warm
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:24pm Jeff Golick: There is a lot going on here. Hello.
	9:24pm fizz: Great sounds from the Bodega Pop machina tonite Gary.
	♥ 9:25pm Gary: Jeff!
	♥ 9:27pm Franco Twinkie: Wow, Tir Na Nog. I saw them in 1972 at The Ashgrove. Opening for The Credibility Gap no less!
	♥ 9:31pm Wendy del Formaggio: Is this Bros. Briggs reminding anyone else of Pierre Bensusan?
	9:31pm fizz: destination: OUT in the house, hola Jeff.
	9:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Many of course were the Communes ...& yeah ! : interesting to consider the Pranksters in that context ...but what do I know of Communes ?? Not so much actually ! & a good analogy to Folk indeed... ...I suppose now we have Militias & CultCreeps ...easy to forget an era they might have been more ambiguous or actually ethical ...or not I dunno...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:33pm Jeff Golick: Hola, @fizz!
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: If I knew Reynardine related to Woovz I forgot !
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...there's Julian Cope's Reynard the Fox ...another canine...
	9:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...' Reynardine is a werefox who attracts beautiful women so that he can take them away to his castle '... : en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 9:36pm TDK60: Reynardine is supposed to be hair raising, Gary. About a werefox, supposedly.
	9:37pm fizz: There Fox!!
	♥ 9:37pm Doug Schulkind: Hey, Zip, that looks wonderful. Gotta see it!
	♥ 9:38pm Gary: Oh, sorry kids, a wereFOX situation
	♥ 9:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Of course, now I'm thinking of the scene in "Young Frankenstein." "Werewolf!" "There wolf. There castle." "Igor, why are you talking like that?" "I thought you wanted to."
	9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...all I really knew was Fairport's version of Reynardine is like being suspended in air.
	♥ 9:41pm coelacanth∅: i'd know this voice anywhere in a split second
	♥ 9:42pm TDK60: I think there were lots of versions of Reynardine. I recall long ago Buffy Sainte Marie did a version; she was doin' the freaky folky.
	9:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Anne yeah damn. Whatcha call Definitive.
	♥ 9:43pm Franco Twinkie: Yes, Anne.
	9:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...course so is YoungFrankenstein.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:44pm Zipperhead7: A classic song about werewolves: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 9:44pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead that trailer's intriguing ...although i know the movie will be saddening
	♥ 9:45pm northguineahills: Anne Briggs! (I could probably dj three hours of versions of tam lin (tambling) Look up all the ballads anthologized by francis james child en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 9:46pm northguineahills: @Rec Rabbit: see my chat about reynardine at the beginning of the comments above...
	♥ 9:46pm coelacanth∅: it's a shame you can't dj 3 hours of Anne Briggs
	♥ 9:47pm Gary: Hey All! Stick around after this for Sam Segal's If You Lose Your Horse! He's back after a week off and boy are his hoofs tired. That didn't make sense. His show tonight is titled "A Horse Traveling Through Frame After Frame of Memory" and that DOES make sense. So does your catching it, 10PM, sharp, at: wfmu.org...
	♥ 9:47pm northguineahills: @coel: that would be hard....
	♥ 9:47pm coelacanth∅: (unless you've got some top secret bootlegs stashed away)
	♥ 9:48pm northguineahills: @coel: (exactly what I hope you were alluding to [unfortunately, neither of us do])
	9:50pm fizz: Thanks Gary. Good Evening Friends.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:51pm doctorjazz: Thankss, Gary!
	♥ 9:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you, Gary. It's always a pleasure.
	♥ 9:52pm Gary: Thank you all for spending a bit of your evening here!
	♥ 9:52pm northguineahills: thanks, Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:52pm Jeff Golick: Another werewolf song (n.b. it WILL spoil the mood): www.youtube.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:52pm chresti: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:53pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 9:55pm Franco Twinkie: This was perfection on a Fall night, Gary. Thank you.
	9:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow. ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:56pm Zipperhead7: Thanx Baby DJ Gary! Or should that be DJ Gary, Baby!
	♥ 9:56pm TDK60: The show has been fine. Time to head on down the dusty lane. Thanks, Gary.
	♥ 9:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	♥ 9:58pm Doug Schulkind: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 9:59pm Gary: Night everyone!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 10:02pm WR: Thank you, Gary! Based on my earlier comment and based on what you played that I had already heard, seems I am only up to 1971 regarding catching up with listening.

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from November 30, 2022

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November 30, 2022: Folk
Acid folk, folk rock, psychedelic folk, folk experimentation, neo folk, and more

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Intro "Intro" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2022	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Bert Jansch	Reynardine "Reynardine" by "Bert Jansch"	Rosemary Lane	1971	0:03:47 (Pop-up)
Reilly & Maloney	Wildman "Wildman" by "Reilly & Maloney"	At Last	1976	0:09:32 (Pop-up)
Darius	Mist-Veiled Garden "Mist-Veiled Garden" by "Darius"	Darius	1969	0:15:11 (Pop-up)
Ceathrar	Faoilean "Faoilean" by "Ceathrar"	Cornufolkia: A Hidden History of Psychedelic-Folk from the British & Emerald Isles	2013	0:17:58 (Pop-up)
Richie Havens	Babe, I'm Leaving "Babe, I'm Leaving" by "Richie Havens"	Richie Havens' Record	1968	0:20:15 (Pop-up)
Emily Portman	Spine of a Wave "Spine of a Wave" by "Emily Portman"	Weirdlore: Notes from the Folk Underground	2012	0:24:37 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The West African Instrumental Quintet	Adersu - No 2	Living Is Hard: West African Music in Britain, 1927-1929	2008	0:28:01 (Pop-up)
Yoshiko Sai 佐井好子	Drunken Drama 酔ひどれ芝居	Kaleidoscope 萬花鏡	1975	0:32:21 (Pop-up)
Yoshiko Sai 佐井好子	Drifting Boat 漂流船	Stowaway 密航	1976	0:38:06 (Pop-up)
Yoshiko Sai 佐井好子	God of Confusion 迷いの神	Takuramakan タクラマカン	2008	0:44:43 (Pop-up)
Yoshiko Sai 佐井好子	Silence of the Sea 海の沈黙	Fetal Dream 胎児の夢	1977	0:49:35 (Pop-up)
Yoshiko Sai 佐井好子	God Lives in that Blue Sky あの青い空には神様がすんでいる	Room Where Butterflies Live 蝶のすむ部屋	1978	0:53:49 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pippo Racho et Son Grand Orchestre	La Cumparsita	Tangos 1		0:58:00 (Pop-up)
Dando Shaft	Rain "Rain" by "Dando Shaft"	An Evening with Dando Shaft	1970	1:01:05 (Pop-up)
Kathy & Carol	Green Rocky Road "Green Rocky Road" by "Kathy & Carol"	Kathy & Carol	1965	1:06:20 (Pop-up)
Kieran White	Hummingbirds "Hummingbirds" by "Kieran White"	Wayfaring Strangers: Lonesome Heroes	2009	1:08:41 (Pop-up)
Vincent Le Masne et Bertrand Porquet	Dérive	Guitares Dérive	1976	1:11:55 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Kemal Tanriverdi	Aman Karpouz Kestim Yiyen Yok	Turkish Folk Music Instrumentals, Vol. 1 - Traditional Turkish Folk Instruments	2005	1:30:46 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	Something on Your Mind	In My Own Time	1971	1:34:33 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	Reason to Believe "Reason to Believe" by "Karen Dalton"	1966	2012	1:38:12 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	Green Rocky Road "Green Rocky Road" by "Karen Dalton"	Green Rocky Road	2008	1:40:20 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	Trouble in Mind "Trouble in Mind" by "Karen Dalton"	Shuckin' Sugar	2022	1:44:11 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	In The Evening (It's So Hard To Tell Who's Going To Love You The Best)	It's So hard to Tell Who's Going to Love You the Best	1969	1:48:12 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	It's Alright "It's Alright" by "Karen Dalton"	Cotton Eyed Joe	2007	1:52:26 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	In My Own Dream (Alternate Take)	In My Own Time (50th Anniversary Edition)	2021	1:58:08 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Andrey Vinogradov	Naigrysh Na Koliuk	Russian Instrumental Folk Music	2009	2:03:30 (Pop-up)
Tir Na Nog	Picadilly "Picadilly" by "Tir Na Nog"	Tir Na Nog	1971	2:08:33 (Pop-up)
Jack Grunsky	I'll Live My Life Just Loving You	My Ship	1968	2:14:14 (Pop-up)
Michele	Lament of the Astro Cowboy	Saturn Rings	1969	2:18:05 (Pop-up)
Valda	Some Say (I Got Devil) "Some Say (I Got Devil)" by "Valda"	Knotweed - Twisted-Folk Roots & Psychedelic Shoots	2020	2:26:30 (Pop-up)
The Brothers Briggs	Reynardine "Reynardine" by "The Brothers Briggs"	The Brothers Briggs	2017	2:29:46 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Abrew’s Portuguese Instrumental Trio	Valsa Continental	Excavated Shellac: An Alternate History of the World's Music	2020	2:32:22 (Pop-up)
Mandi & Sorocabinha	I Dreamt I Had Died	River of Revenge: Brazilian Country Music 1929-1961, Vol. 1	2022	2:36:45 (Pop-up)
Ray and Archie Fisher	The Twa Corbies	Far Over the Forth	2019	2:39:14 (Pop-up)
Anne Briggs	Young Tambling "Young Tambling" by "Anne Briggs"	Anne Briggs	1971	2:41:30 (Pop-up)
Randy Denison	Soft Spoken Words "Soft Spoken Words" by "Randy Denison"	Randy Denison's Collage	1970	2:51:47 (Pop-up)
Justine	Traveller "Traveller" by "Justine"	Justine	1970	2:54:34 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Peslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Peslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!	2000	2:57:11 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 6:59pm WR: Folk!
	♥ 7:00pm Gary: WR!
	7:01pm peter: Hey Gary & co.!
	7:02pm listener James from Westwood: Evening, Gary and Bodegans!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:04pm doctorjazz: Hello Gary, Bodega Cyber-Shoppers!
	♥ 7:04pm Gary: Peter, James, and Dr. Jazz!
	7:05pm wezno: Aloha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:06pm chresti: Hi Gary Folk bodega!
	♥ 7:06pm Gary: Wezno! Chresti!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:07pm WR: No shame, there are always more recordings that we have yet to hear. In fact they are being released faster and in greater quantities than any single set of ears could ever listen. Oh, you hadn't listened to Bert Jansch before? How could that be?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:08pm doctorjazz: Beautiful Bert! (He could really play that guitar, not a pre-requisite for a folk musician).
	♥ 7:08pm northguineahills: Listener, David from London, can elucidate on reynardine. his band, Daona, did a nice eerily folk/synth cover of it. daona.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 7:09pm Gary: NGH!
	♥ 7:11pm northguineahills: reynardine is a 'werefox'(?)(not sure of the terminologuy), that seduces young women, usually to a castle. The reynardine is usually someone who has had a spell cast of him as curse...
	♥ 7:12pm Gary: Ah, that would explain why I kept finding that title with different songs
	7:12pm rw: Ah It's Bodega Pop: Folk! I thought maybe I was in the wrong place. Sounding perfect so far.
	7:13pm rw: Good afternoon/evening!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:14pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Gary - a little folk gig in the back of the Bodega, then.
	♥ 7:14pm Gary: RW! Yeah, not a typical evening here, I suppose ... howdy, Henry!
	7:16pm rw: That cigarette looks out of scale to me. Maybe it's not a cigarette.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:16pm chresti: Good afterning, rw!
	7:16pm rw: Yo chresti!
	♥ 7:18pm Gary: RW: You're right, I never noticed that before, RW
	♥ 7:20pm TDK60: Gary, Hiya!
	♥ 7:20pm Gary: TDK60!
	♥ 7:22pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Gary! Quicksilver did this too.
	♥ 7:22pm northguineahills: ceathrar just means a quartet in irish-gaelic...
	♥ 7:23pm Gary: Franco! I did not know that
	♥ 7:23pm Franco Twinkie: Of course they rock it up.
	♥ 7:24pm Gary: When I saw Woodstock the first time, what I remembered most vividly was Richie Havens. I learned in a documentary decades later that he made that song, "Freedom," up on the spot -- unreal
	♥ 7:25pm TDK60: Gary, I mentioned elsewhere in woofmooland before, I saw Richie during his debut period, Cafe Au Go Go, '66. Intensity in the first row.
	♥ 7:26pm Franco Twinkie: Apparently Richie was quite the man around the village back in the day. Musically AND socially.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:26pm Webhamster Henry: @Gary not only that, he was put on because the band that was supposed to go on wasn't there (or ready or something) and he had to throw a show together for a few hours.
	♥ 7:27pm TDK60: Hola Franco.
	♥ 7:27pm Gary: Yes!
	♥ 7:27pm Gary: Damn, jealous, TDK
	♥ 7:29pm northguineahills: ok, now, we need a scene devoted fanatics of old folk balladry, as found in the cecil sharpe house. we can call these bands, hardlore....
	7:30pm peter: @NGH: yeah! i looked them up quickly and found this: "Their recording "Faoileán" was released in 1975 as a split single on Gael-Linn under the four members' individual names (Donal Lunny, Maighréad Ní Dhomhnaill, Mícheál Ó Domhnaill, Tríona Ní Dhomhnaill).. On later compilations it appeared with the artist name Ceathrar." so members of Planxty, The Bothy Band and others! bit of a super-group..
	♥ 7:31pm DL in LA: Bit of an ode to Shrunken Planet. Sounding great!
	♥ 7:33pm Gary: DL!
	♥ 7:33pm northguineahills: a book related to todays theme, that comes heavily recommended by me: "Electric Eden: Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music" (Rob Young, 2011) www.goodreads.com...
	♥ 7:34pm Gary: Nice, NGH. Pretty sure Rob Young also wrote a book on Turkish rock recently-ish
	7:35pm peter: Oo that looks worth a read for sure
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:37pm Zipperhead7: Gary and Bodegans! Nice picture of Karen Dalton. I wonder if the Woody Guthrie museum in Tulsa ever did an exhibit on her since she's a native Okie
	♥ 7:38pm Gary: Zipperhead!
	♥ 7:38pm Franco Twinkie: Hey TDK! I'm in the kitchen now.
	♥ 7:41pm northguineahills: @Zipperhead: in 2000, i went to an association of america geographers conference, and attended a lecture on the geography of music in oklahoma (my one lecture not related to my studies i attended), they did a lot of the obvious ones, including woody and up to the flaming lips. I inquired amongst the lecturers why they hadn't included karen dalton, and gave them pleny of material off the top of my head to further their research...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 7:47pm Zipperhead7: That's interesting, ngh. When I went to the Georgia Music Hall of Fame in Macon many years ago, there was no mention of Gram Parsons. They did have a great picture of James Brown shaking hands with the Pope. James was very black and the Pope was very white
	♥ 7:56pm DL in LA: There are so many amazing Japanese music artists. I never realized this until the last few years.
	♥ 7:56pm Ike: Meat sweats!!!
	♥ 7:57pm Gary: Ike!
	♥ 7:57pm northguineahills: @zipperhead: takes note of their respective dressing styles Indeed!
	♥ 7:58pm northguineahills: I believe I've only heard Yoshiko Sai once or twice on wfmu, never encountered her in my own wonderings...
	7:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hey Folx !
	8:01pm rw: I always thought of Punk Rock as a type of Folk music.
	8:02pm rw: Knowing nothing about musicology. Not even if I'm using the word musicology correctly.
	♥ 8:02pm Gary: RevRab!
	♥ 8:02pm Gary: RW, me too, and bedroom recordings
	8:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Voice a bit like Bert Jansch.
	♥ 8:05pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hello Gary! Hello friends!
	8:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wull - under Modernism in the 20thCentury - all the Genre Labels & boundaries kinda collapsed & melted & stuff ...Is Folk Traditional ? Or the common Music of the People ? What did that mean anymore with Recording & Reproductive Art & Mass Media ?? Was Dylan the apotheosis & saviour of Folk - or its Assassin ??...
	♥ 8:05pm Gary: Wendy!
	♥ 8:05pm TDK60: From my barstool, I like a lot of the different friggin' folks, folks. There's a whole freakin' lotta of 'em, come thru here.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:06pm Zipperhead7: I like the haunting stuff too, Gary. A sparely-phrased electric guitar buried in reverb gets me every time. Peter Green was the master of that
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:06pm chresti: That is correct @Ike!
	♥ 8:07pm Doug Schulkind: Love this record. Otherwordly.
	8:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if Folk is Traditional Music of the People - I even posit that plain prosaic Population Explosion has to be a factor there...
	♥ 8:07pm northguineahills: @rw: punk in the trad sense, is folk (in the traditional sense). Music for the people from 'untrained' (self-taught) musicians... Some trad types might argue some lyrical content, but folk always encompassed contemporary concerns, and can be often irreverent.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:08pm chresti: Freakin' Freak Folk freaks, TDK60\\//
	♥ 8:08pm Gary: Doug! I'm thrilled about your upcoming trip
	♥ 8:08pm TDK60: Friggin' freaky chresti in the inn? How are ye?
	♥ 8:09pm northguineahills: ...and then on the other side, you get cornelius cardew's "stockhausen serves imperialism", where cardem eschewed modern composition and tried to organize a more sing-along songs to reach the people w/ mixed results...
	♥ 8:09pm Doug Schulkind: @Gary If I knew it'd thrill you, I would have gone long ago!
	8:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Untrained. Good one. Self-trained - community trained... Have thot - Folk is whatever strangers who meet round a campfire on the beach sing together. (Does this even happen anymore ?) The Dead certainly quality for that I figured...
	♥ 8:10pm Gary: France, yes?
	8:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *qualiFy
	♥ 8:10pm Gary: Most music is folk music maybe
	8:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Beethoven was Popular in his moment ? But not Karlheinz... Reminded of Howard Goodall's thing on TheBeatles as not only Thee Classical Music of the 1960s - but saviors of Western Harmony he practically gushes...
	♥ 8:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: This is excellent music for writing, which I am doing now. It seems like the things I do most often while listening to FMU are writing, cooking, and bathing. Then again, I do those things a lot.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:13pm Zipperhead7: RevRab -- I'd say that for the last 20 years, the handful of times I've encountered kids sitting around playing acoustic guitars and singing, they were playing contemporary christian music
	8:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course Thelonius said, 'We're all Folk Musicians.'
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:13pm chresti: I yam freakin' in the friggin' inn, TDK60.
	8:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oof. Well - Folk Music & Religion both tribal expressions one might say...
	♥ 8:15pm Doug Schulkind: @Gary Paris, yes. Haven't been to Paris since '86. Last time I was there almost all I did was scour the record stores. Came back with a suitcase full of African vinyls.
	♥ 8:16pm Gary: Damn, jealous! BTW: The baguette was recently declared a UNESCO something or other
	8:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like 'Pop' could mean either whatever is literally Popular, or certain Forms - 'Unpopular Pop' as Rob Weisnberg says ...so maybe something similar for Folk...
	8:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: / RobW - something similar...
	♥ 8:20pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doug, do I even need to say it? I hope you eat a lot of really good cheeses that are illegal in the US!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:21pm Zipperhead7: And the good absinthe with wormwood!
	♥ 8:23pm Wendy del Formaggio: And lots of charcuterie! Unless you're a vegetarian, then... lots more cheese!
	♥ 8:23pm TDK60: Wonderful sounds of folkish tint, Gary. Glad I got my boot heels to be wanderin' this way tonight.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:25pm doctorjazz: Lovely instrumentals! (TDK60-them must be some Thirsty Boots...)
	♥ 8:25pm Doug Schulkind: Illegal Cheese. Not a bad band name.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:25pm Zipperhead7: Jeez this is wonderful, Gary!
	8:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...an Acoustic bent seems a Folk attribute - with an ever ambiguous relation to Electricity...
	8:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...makes me think of Segovia perhaps as much as Woody Guthrie - no complaints...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm Zipperhead7: Doug -- have PAULS add "Illegal Cheese" to the list of first band names!
	♥ 8:27pm TDK60: DrJazz, I got the Eric Andersen drop.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:27pm chresti: Which cheeses are illegal, Wendy?
	8:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...illicit cheeses ...folking Christ...
	♥ 8:28pm Doug Schulkind: Illegal Cheese. Not a bad radio show name.
	♥ 8:28pm Doug Schulkind: I believe in cheeses.
	♥ 8:29pm Wendy del Formaggio: Honk if you love cheeses!
	♥ 8:29pm Wendy del Formaggio: yes, someone should name their show "Illegal Cheeses." But, the obvious person already has a name for her show, and if anyone else chose it, people would get confused. hahaha
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:30pm chresti: Honk!
	♥ 8:30pm Gary: My god it's a regular fondue in here
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:30pm doctorjazz: TDK60-couldn't leave your Dylan go unanswered...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:31pm chresti: I think I saw a bumper sticker like "cheeses saves" or the like.
	8:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ..I'm fond of ue too Gary...
	♥ 8:32pm Wendy del Formaggio: Chresti: All raw milk cheeses sold in the USA must be aged for 60+ days. In France and other places, one can enjoy raw milk cheeses that are aged fewer than 60 days, and it's really worth doing. Pasteurizing milk can diminish the nuance in the cheese's flavor profile.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:32pm doctorjazz: (I thought Wendy might have some thoughts/feeling on the Illegal Cheese suggestion).
	♥ 8:33pm Wendy del Formaggio: DoctorJazz: I have opinions on pretty much everything. :-) I keep toying with the idea of starting a column called "Ask a Picky Jew." And it won't just be about cheese!
	♥ 8:33pm northguineahills: @wendy: so, a show of whey-infused of "unofficial" recordings (ie: the Partridge Family) (disclaimer: i actually like some cheesy music)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:35pm WR: Ha, chresti, earlier today I saw a cartoon of two mice at the mouse hole of another mouse, one of the visiting mice says, "Can we talk with you about cheeses?"
	♥ 8:36pm Wendy del Formaggio: @NGH: Haha, that's an awesome idea! A show of bootlegs of 70s AM rock!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:36pm doctorjazz: As far as pastuerization-from the CDC web site: Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others that cause foodborne illness, often called “food poisoning.” (Though I'm not familiar with how long aging needs to be done to prevent disease)
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:37pm chresti: Ha, WR!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm chresti: Karen kills me.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:38pm Zipperhead7: I wonder if any recordings Karen Dalton did with Peter Stampfel will ever surface?
	♥ 8:38pm Gary: The CDC also didn't want me to eat fresh vegetables or dairy or fruit juices in Brazil and they were WRONG
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:40pm doctorjazz: Maybe, Gary, though the fact that you didn't have an issue with it doesn't mean it's wrong (like saying if you didn't get COVID, and didn't have the vaccine, the recommendation for the vaccine is phony).
	♥ 8:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh no... DoctorJazz... here comes the can of worms... Those food-borne pathogens are FAR more prevalent in things like deli meats, produce, and eggs. And, there really is no actual science behind how long cheese must be aged to eliminate or identify pathogens. Listeria is the big one, and those outbreaks do happen, but they happen in pasteurized cheese, too. Pasteurization isn't a vaccine; it only kills whatever pathogens are present in that moment. Mishandling at any point in the distribution chain can introduce pathogens not present at all where the cheese is made or aged.
	8:42pm fizz: Smokin' a big spliff and serenading her Poppy plant friend.
	♥ 8:42pm Gary: Cheese Louise, Wendy!
	♥ 8:43pm Gary: Fizz!
	♥ 8:43pm Wendy del Formaggio: The 60-day rule is from the FDA, and sadly, a lot of FDA policy has been drafted for reasons other than food safety. But I should step down off my soap box now...
	♥ 8:43pm northguineahills: this is good music for creating imaginary cartographies (I'm taking maps from 1960s british university textbooks, and reshuffling the topographies/boundaries on my own whims).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:45pm doctorjazz: That's all true, Wendy. You can always reintroduce bacteria to a food by mishandling it. Again, it's a bit like saying that meat shouldn't be free of pathogens because they are often introduced by food preparer mishandlers. (I'm not familiar with how long aging needs to be done, and I'll certainly not insist that the FDA or other government bodies are free of political considerations).
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:45pm chresti: Thanks Wendy!
	♥ 8:46pm TDK60: Fizz, I was a-thinkin' that may be a small cigar in Karen's mouth, or maybe the French cig brand, Gualoises. Or, maybe a reefer, a folk cigarette.
	8:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Phew. These people who carry whole Cultures of Song within them. Walking Smithsonians.
	8:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cut threw a fruit that has bacteria on the outside peel - you (potentially) introduce it to the interior with the knife. For instance. Yeah there's things...
	♥ 8:49pm coelacanth∅: 'evening Gary & all
	♥ 8:49pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doctor Jazz: Aging is pretty much irrelevant until you get to the really hard cheeses, which are usually 2+ years old. Most of these pathogens are bacteria, which need moist environments to thrive. Very aged cheeses have too little moisture. But 60 days? Doesn't mean shit, really. It's arbitrary.
	♥ 8:49pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	8:50pm fizz: TDK60 could well be a french cig, callouses of the lung, nice poppy though.
	♥ 8:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: I should clarify: Not only does 60 days not mean shit, but what's even more irrelevant (less relevant?) is whether the milk is pasteurized or not. Sorry, but people aren't dropping dead from cheese in the rest of the world, especially when the cheese is made in a licensed, inspected facility.
	8:56pm fizz: No chinga con el queso...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:57pm doctorjazz: I believe it's arbitrary, Wendy, there are many "accepted" practices and recommendations that were arrived at without study, only to be found later to be incorrect (10 day antibiotic treatment for many bacterial infections, for instance, was the norm for the longest time, until studies actually showed 3 or 5 days were fine for some bacterial infections (but no studies had been done before that). Again, I'm just going by the teaching I had (many years back, but haven't read much to dispute it. But maybe I just haven't seen the relevant information. But immunization is like that-many diseases that existed before it was routine (and I saw them) don't occur any more, and people feel there's no need for them, since they don't see pneumococcal meningitis or polio any more. That's enough out of me... I'll drop out here.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 8:58pm Zipperhead7: Karen Dalton sounds ageless, somewhere between a young girl and an ancient, wizened woman
	♥ 8:59pm northguineahills: @fizz: jajaja
	♥ 8:59pm TDK60: This "Dream" a Paul Butterfield cover.
	♥ 8:59pm Wendy del Formaggio: Doctor Jazz: Thanks for your perspective. I didn't know that about antibiotics! FWIW, I am very much in favor of vaccines and I am all caught up on my shots. Including rabies and distemper. Okay, maybe not distemper... haha.
	9:01pm fizz: Zipperhead7, what was the title of the film you produced?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:03pm Zipperhead7: "Drop City." Here's the trailer: www.youtube.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:05pm WR: Juvenile DJ Gary
	9:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zipperhead7 looks great !!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:07pm Zipperhead7: I had a blast doing it and never made a fucking dime. Still good friends with the surviving founders
	9:08pm fizz: Zip was that in New Mexico in?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:10pm Zipperhead7: Just north of the NM border, near Trinidad CO
	♥ 9:11pm Gary: Footage in that trailer looks awesome
	9:12pm fizz: I'm guessing the early 1970's ?
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:13pm Zipperhead7: 1965-1973 or thereabouts. It was abandoned by the founders in '69 and by 74 was a ghost town
	♥ 9:13pm northguineahills: @zipperhead: will have to use my digital tentacles to find a copy somewhere... looks to have followed a more innocent yet similar trajectory as the merry pranksters...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:15pm Zipperhead7: It's up on Kanopy for free. Yeah, very Pranksterish in ways
	9:18pm fizz: You can use your library card to watch Kanopy. Buckyball Town...must have gotten cold!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:20pm chresti: Wow Zipperhead!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:21pm Zipperhead7: At one point they built a small room in the Complex that they could crowd into to keep warm
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:24pm Jeff Golick: There is a lot going on here. Hello.
	9:24pm fizz: Great sounds from the Bodega Pop machina tonite Gary.
	♥ 9:25pm Gary: Jeff!
	♥ 9:27pm Franco Twinkie: Wow, Tir Na Nog. I saw them in 1972 at The Ashgrove. Opening for The Credibility Gap no less!
	♥ 9:31pm Wendy del Formaggio: Is this Bros. Briggs reminding anyone else of Pierre Bensusan?
	9:31pm fizz: destination: OUT in the house, hola Jeff.
	9:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Many of course were the Communes ...& yeah ! : interesting to consider the Pranksters in that context ...but what do I know of Communes ?? Not so much actually ! & a good analogy to Folk indeed... ...I suppose now we have Militias & CultCreeps ...easy to forget an era they might have been more ambiguous or actually ethical ...or not I dunno...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:33pm Jeff Golick: Hola, @fizz!
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: If I knew Reynardine related to Woovz I forgot !
	9:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...there's Julian Cope's Reynard the Fox ...another canine...
	9:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...' Reynardine is a werefox who attracts beautiful women so that he can take them away to his castle '... : en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 9:36pm TDK60: Reynardine is supposed to be hair raising, Gary. About a werefox, supposedly.
	9:37pm fizz: There Fox!!
	♥ 9:37pm Doug Schulkind: Hey, Zip, that looks wonderful. Gotta see it!
	♥ 9:38pm Gary: Oh, sorry kids, a wereFOX situation
	♥ 9:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Of course, now I'm thinking of the scene in "Young Frankenstein." "Werewolf!" "There wolf. There castle." "Igor, why are you talking like that?" "I thought you wanted to."
	9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...all I really knew was Fairport's version of Reynardine is like being suspended in air.
	♥ 9:41pm coelacanth∅: i'd know this voice anywhere in a split second
	♥ 9:42pm TDK60: I think there were lots of versions of Reynardine. I recall long ago Buffy Sainte Marie did a version; she was doin' the freaky folky.
	9:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Anne yeah damn. Whatcha call Definitive.
	♥ 9:43pm Franco Twinkie: Yes, Anne.
	9:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...course so is YoungFrankenstein.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:44pm Zipperhead7: A classic song about werewolves: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 9:44pm coelacanth∅: Zipperhead that trailer's intriguing ...although i know the movie will be saddening
	♥ 9:45pm northguineahills: Anne Briggs! (I could probably dj three hours of versions of tam lin (tambling) Look up all the ballads anthologized by francis james child en.wikipedia.org...
	♥ 9:46pm northguineahills: @Rec Rabbit: see my chat about reynardine at the beginning of the comments above...
	♥ 9:46pm coelacanth∅: it's a shame you can't dj 3 hours of Anne Briggs
	♥ 9:47pm Gary: Hey All! Stick around after this for Sam Segal's If You Lose Your Horse! He's back after a week off and boy are his hoofs tired. That didn't make sense. His show tonight is titled "A Horse Traveling Through Frame After Frame of Memory" and that DOES make sense. So does your catching it, 10PM, sharp, at: wfmu.org...
	♥ 9:47pm northguineahills: @coel: that would be hard....
	♥ 9:47pm coelacanth∅: (unless you've got some top secret bootlegs stashed away)
	♥ 9:48pm northguineahills: @coel: (exactly what I hope you were alluding to [unfortunately, neither of us do])
	9:50pm fizz: Thanks Gary. Good Evening Friends.
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:51pm doctorjazz: Thankss, Gary!
	♥ 9:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you, Gary. It's always a pleasure.
	♥ 9:52pm Gary: Thank you all for spending a bit of your evening here!
	♥ 9:52pm northguineahills: thanks, Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:52pm Jeff Golick: Another werewolf song (n.b. it WILL spoil the mood): www.youtube.com...
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:52pm chresti: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:53pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 9:55pm Franco Twinkie: This was perfection on a Fall night, Gary. Thank you.
	9:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow. ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	🇰🇷 ♥ 9:56pm Zipperhead7: Thanx Baby DJ Gary! Or should that be DJ Gary, Baby!
	♥ 9:56pm TDK60: The show has been fine. Time to head on down the dusty lane. Thanks, Gary.
	♥ 9:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	♥ 9:58pm Doug Schulkind: Thanks, Gary!
	♥ 9:59pm Gary: Night everyone!
	🇰🇷 ♥ 10:02pm WR: Thank you, Gary! Based on my earlier comment and based on what you played that I had already heard, seems I am only up to 1971 regarding catching up with listening.

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from November 30, 2022

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